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| 02:03.50 | Crofton|home | mickey|tw, gm |
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| 02:19.35 | dcordes | mickey|tw: morning. tw==taiwan? |
| 02:22.35 | mickey|tw | yes |
| 02:22.52 | mickey|tw | sitting in the office room of the OpenMoko Apartment |
| 02:23.01 | mickey|tw | arrived yesterday |
| 02:37.35 | NAbyss | Hm, generic linux question that someone might know the answer to.. heavy disk i/o seems to kill interactivity here.. is there anything in particular I should be examining? I've tried looking at the I/O schedulers, with no luck |
| 02:40.49 | dcordes | mickey|tw: enjoy your stay |
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| 03:22.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:26.19 | Supaplex | don't let the code bugs by^Hite |
| 03:26.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | hehe |
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| 07:05.22 | koen | hey mickey|tw|shoppi |
| 07:05.32 | koen | mickey|tw|shoppi: don't forget to buy stinky tofu ;) |
| 07:10.51 | koen | Henryk: http://mkestner.blogspot.com/2007/10/moko-bindings.html |
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| 07:18.01 | steliosk | morning all |
| 07:19.27 | koen | hey steliosk |
| 07:23.06 | steliosk | koen : working on moving [456]86 machine kernel to OE's kernel, so no more kittens get killed |
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| 07:24.07 | steliosk | ...and also avoid comments about "how strange people are" :) |
| 07:28.12 | koen | It's been a week since I sent the angstrom lockdown file to the mailinglist for review and sofar only pH5 has looked at it |
| 07:28.33 | koen | which means everybody else thinks locking down is fluff and unnecessary |
| 07:28.46 | koen | so .dev isn't too fast moving or unstable |
| 07:28.57 | koen | (or people just like to complain but do nothing) |
| 07:41.58 | steliosk | I think you are misinterpreting some things but irc is not the best place to have these kind of discussions |
| 07:43.41 | koen | obviously the mailinglist is the wrong place as well |
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| 08:06.14 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfb2c0449... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: activate lock down file, nobody has complained about errors in the file for the past week, or objected to using it. |
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| 08:18.48 | Henryk | koen: hmm, thanks for the pointer. no point in doing a recipe for it, though |
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| 08:40.23 | koen | Henryk: you boycot non-autotooled projects as well? |
| 08:42.57 | Henryk | koen: that's one point :) The other is that the posting explicitly states that every user should copy the binding to their projects and there would be no point in installing it globally. |
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| 09:35.53 | XorA|gone | koen: you have to learn in the software world, no-one will ever comment/review a change until it breaks something, eventually you learn to just check changes in wait until people scream, then revert them for discussion :-) |
| 09:42.00 | koen | :) |
| 09:43.44 | koen | XorA|gone: look at the rightmost collumn if 'bitbake -s' |
| 09:44.05 | koen | bitbake bug :( |
| 09:46.33 | XorA|gone | revert bitbake :-D |
| 09:50.05 | gremlin[it] | i'm a bit confused by {essential,minimal,bootstrap}-image ... what difference have them ? |
| 09:56.39 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6826902a... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc: remove gcc, kernels and images |
| 09:56.45 | CIA-3 | 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r0d6023df... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 09:56.45 | CIA-3 | conf/machine/x86.conf : Switch x86 to use OE's default kernel |
| 09:56.45 | CIA-3 | Clean up machine config |
| 09:56.53 | CIA-3 | 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r02176e6b... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): conf/machine/i586-generic.conf : Switch i586-generic to use OE's default kernel |
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| 10:33.45 | likewise | gm |
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| 11:35.16 | Crofton|home | todays climate change update, forecast highs for the next five days |
| 11:35.31 | Crofton|home | 21, 27, 26, 19, 18 C |
| 11:36.36 | gremlin[it] | Crofton in itlay too ... 8 minimum ... 12 max temperature !!! |
| 11:36.57 | Crofton|home | high or low compared to normal |
| 11:37.09 | Crofton|home | we shoudl being seeing highs aroun 18-9 atm |
| 11:38.17 | gremlin[it] | mhhh quile low ... but standard for that month |
| 11:39.23 | Crofton|home | it has been much warmer then normal for the past few weeks |
| 11:39.31 | Crofton|home | prbably be really cold this winter :) |
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| 13:17.33 | sakoman | good morning |
| 13:19.20 | sakoman | what's the proper way to override a PREFERRED_VERSION in the angstrom .conf file? |
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| 13:20.12 | sakoman | I need to use a more recent version of wpa_supplicant |
| 13:20.54 | sakoman | Tried doing it in machine.conf, but no joy |
| 13:21.07 | gilligan_ | hm.. openembedded.org having quite some troubles these days eh? |
| 13:22.18 | pH5 | angstrom-2007.1.conf has PREFERRED_VERSION_wpa-supplicant = "0.5.5", that line should be removed imho |
| 13:22.35 | pH5 | there is a PREFERRED_VERSION_wpa-supplicant ?= "0.4.9" in angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc |
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| 13:24.13 | sakoman | pH5: yes, I've been removing that line by hand. But that just feels dirty :-) |
| 13:26.07 | pH5 | sakoman, koen: looks like cleaning up to me. we have to decide on whether angstrom should use 0.4.9 or 0.5.5 and whether the version selection should be in the .conf or the .inc file and then set it there with ?= |
| 13:27.03 | sakoman | pH5: I vote for using ?= BTW, I'm using "0.5.8" |
| 13:27.10 | pH5 | koen: btw, angstrom 2008.1 includes the angstrom 2007.1 file and thus does the version lock-down, too. |
| 13:27.17 | pH5 | how can I fix that? |
| 13:28.30 | koen | pH5: probably by making 2008 not including 2007 |
| 13:28.52 | koen | and we need to add a wpa-supplicant-nodbus 0.5.8 as well |
| 13:29.30 | pH5 | koen: so I just copy the rest of 2007.1 into 2008.1 and remove the require? |
| 13:30.13 | koen | yes |
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| 13:30.28 | koen | "the rest" being "the bits we need" |
| 13:32.27 | sakoman | So for now I'll just keep editing angstrom.conf to make wpa ?= :-) |
| 13:33.01 | pH5 | that'd be everyting except preferred versions, I assume. maybe we should split that out in separate include files? (feed uris, preferred providers, distro specifics like tarball stash, extra rrecommends etc.) |
| 13:35.11 | koen | the feed uris should go away since we want to use angstrom-feed-config.bb anyway |
| 13:37.41 | XorA|gone | injected files are evil |
| 13:40.42 | pH5 | yay |
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| 13:52.04 | koen | hey mickey|tw |
| 13:53.07 | mickey|tw | hi ho |
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| 14:02.29 | gilligan_ | koen, i suppose someone is working on openembedded.org ? |
| 14:04.45 | koen | gilligan_: dunno |
| 14:05.35 | gilligan_ | postgres installation seems to be somewhat broken.. already had problems with bugzilla the other day.. now postgres is on its knees |
| 14:06.15 | koen | bugzilla is hosted on another continent |
| 14:06.38 | koen | and with 'broken' you mean 'being DDOS'ed by spammers', right? |
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| 14:18.01 | gilligan_ | well it is hard to get a connection yes |
| 14:18.11 | gilligan_ | i'd say it is about time that some anti-spam stuff is installed to protect the wiki |
| 14:18.33 | gilligan_ | some captcha stuff or whatever |
| 14:19.35 | CM | recaptcha? :) |
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| 14:31.44 | koen | mickey|tw: what do you think about making the Xserver script(s) check fbwidth before setting DPI? |
| 14:32.00 | koen | mickey|tw: the clamshell zaurusses and neos can run in qvga as well |
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| 14:43.02 | Crofton|home | sakoman, your overlay goes directly on top of .dev? |
| 15:03.11 | sakoman | Crofton: It's a bb collection, so I guess it is more "along side" |
| 15:03.50 | sakoman | Crofton: if you look at the profile file you'll see how I have things set up |
| 15:04.36 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:15.55 | Crofton|work_ | ah |
| 15:15.56 | Crofton|work_ | ok |
| 15:16.25 | Crofton|work_ | I am interested in how you work, because you seem to have a good solution for working in || with .dev |
| 15:16.37 | Crofton|work_ | and we can easily check your local diffs |
| 15:17.04 | Crofton|work_ | as opposed to poky, where it is "harder" to locate the diffs |
| 15:17.24 | Crofton|work_ | but for today, I am a kernel hacker :) |
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| 15:26.35 | mwester | Did you finish the thesis, Crofton|work_ ? |
| 15:26.47 | Crofton | close |
| 15:26.54 | Crofton | doing edits now |
| 15:27.04 | Crofton | working on stuff for a conference in two weeks now |
| 15:27.05 | mwester | Cool! |
| 15:27.20 | Crofton | defend in mid/late November |
| 15:27.28 | Crofton | hmm need to get that scheduled |
| 15:27.34 | mwester | You're done then, once you turn in the completed thesis? |
| 15:27.53 | Crofton | there is an oral presentation known as the defense |
| 15:28.06 | Crofton | then they pick on you and try to get you to write some more |
| 15:28.17 | Crofton | I left a section for them to pick on :) |
| 15:28.30 | mwester | hehe! "defensive writing" :) |
| 15:28.35 | Crofton | yeah |
| 15:28.47 | Crofton | and I didn't feel like dealing with it at the time |
| 15:29.26 | sakoman | Crofton: Using multiple collections is working out pretty well |
| 15:30.05 | Crofton | good |
| 15:30.16 | sakoman | Crofton: The only change I need to make in OE is making wpa-supplicant ?= in angstrom distro.conf |
| 15:30.17 | Crofton | it is easy for me to check on your local changes to .dev |
| 15:30.42 | Crofton | I something abbout that |
| 15:30.57 | sakoman | I have a tgz there to make it easy for scruggs to grab the whole mess |
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| 15:32.15 | Crofton | when I get some time, I'll go through what you have and see what I can commit |
| 15:32.54 | Crofton | but there is conferenece Nov 4-8 I need to get ready for |
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| 15:33.44 | sakoman | Crofton: no problem -- it will still be there :-) |
| 15:33.49 | Crofton | yep |
| 15:34.18 | Crofton | that is what I like, you are happy, and there is no pressure on volunteer devs to push stuff for you :) |
| 15:34.49 | sakoman | Crofton: and it will be easy for me to remove stuff from my collection as you add the changes to OE |
| 15:35.08 | sakoman | So everybody is happy :-) |
| 15:35.36 | Crofton | hopefully |
| 15:35.54 | Crofton | poky maintains a svn repo of everything |
| 15:36.01 | Crofton | well everything we want |
| 15:36.06 | Crofton | er they want from OE |
| 15:36.25 | Crofton | and we can freely move stuff back and forth, but there is not a good way to find local changes |
| 15:36.39 | Crofton | Although there is the poky commits list now, which helps |
| 15:37.54 | koen | Crofton: http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/scm/6/ |
| 15:38.12 | Crofton | even better :) |
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| 16:37.33 | koen | Crofton: and the stuff that isn't obsolete is incomprihensible |
| 16:37.44 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:37.48 | koen | Crofton: hop on #mtd or something similar |
| 16:38.36 | koen | just like the arm-linux website |
| 16:39.06 | koen | RMK complains if you don't read it and he complains if you follow outdated advice on that site |
| 16:39.24 | Crofton | sometimes I think we are victims of our own success |
| 16:39.38 | Crofton | to much work and not enough people to maintain websites .. |
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| 16:42.49 | Crofton | in the meantime, I can look at gta patches |
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| 16:52.36 | mickey|tw | koen: i like that idea. would be sane to assume that the fb is set up in the way you want X. and it would remove a lot of hardcoded sizes in the Xserver script |
| 16:57.34 | koen | mickey|tw: stefan_schmidt's post about qvga on openmoko-kernel inspired me |
| 16:57.43 | mickey|tw | good |
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| 17:01.29 | XorA|gone | Crofton: stop being so unelitist :-D |
| 17:01.45 | Crofton | :) |
| 17:02.18 | XorA|gone | gta01 QVGA patches are actually kicking about |
| 17:02.37 | mickey|tw | it's amazing how much of a difference it makes |
| 17:02.44 | mickey|tw | finger scrolling is _smoooooooooooooth_ |
| 17:02.52 | XorA|gone | mickey|away: 1/4 the amount of data, its what I would expect |
| 17:04.54 | Crofton | I am hoping the platform NAND driver works |
| 17:07.41 | koen_ | mickey|tw: qvga + CFS in 2.6.23 :) |
| 17:08.25 | mickey|tw | cfs? |
| 17:09.01 | chouimat|lunch | the scheduler i think |
| 17:09.31 | mickey|tw | ah, right |
| 17:09.37 | koen_ | completely fair scheduler |
| 17:09.50 | mickey|tw | yes, that goes for a little bit of more visible performance |
| 17:14.18 | mickey|tw | CoreDump is back |
| 17:14.21 | mickey|tw | unbelievable |
| 17:14.24 | mickey|tw | hi |
| 17:14.40 | CoreDump | heh I've been back for a few weeks now ;) heya |
| 17:14.52 | mickey|tw | i have been underway |
| 17:15.05 | mickey|tw | offtopic: IntelĀ®Core2Duo E6320 - E6850 or AMD Athlon X2 BE-2350 - X2 6000+ EE ? |
| 17:15.06 | CoreDump | I'm usually online when europe is offline |
| 17:15.09 | koen_ | you can't answer a phone call with the neo right now |
| 17:15.26 | CoreDump | koen: I couldn't even establish a call |
| 17:15.36 | koen_ | that works |
| 17:15.53 | CoreDump | mickey|away: In dual core CPUs, Intel beats AMD hands down |
| 17:15.56 | koen_ | after killing gsmd a zillion times to recover from mokogsmd screwage |
| 17:16.03 | mickey|tw | CoreDump: k |
| 17:16.15 | CoreDump | I flashed the qtopia image and it worked |
| 17:16.38 | mickey|tw | err yes, you should've said what you mean with "the software stack" ... |
| 17:16.40 | CoreDump | At least that way I know that my hardware is not faulty / problematic |
| 17:17.29 | CoreDump | I was talking about DISTRO + UI ;) |
| 17:18.12 | koen | mickey|tw: is jserv going to work on gsmd next week? |
| 17:18.13 | CoreDump | And know I see that this is #oe, not #openmoko |
| 17:18.20 | mickey|tw | koen: i have no idea |
| 17:18.48 | mickey|tw | not seen him yet |
| 17:19.16 | mickey|tw | i plan to meet the gsmd team and tell them my ideas next week |
| 17:19.31 | mickey|tw | but first, more important global structure and platform discussion |
| 17:19.34 | koen | mickey|tw: did you read the latest mails on gsmd-devel (3 days ago) |
| 17:19.40 | mickey|tw | yes |
| 17:19.43 | mickey|tw | something about patches |
| 17:19.45 | mickey|tw | and merges |
| 17:19.51 | mickey|tw | right? |
| 17:19.57 | koen | yeah |
| 17:20.07 | koen | I just realized you responded in that thread |
| 17:20.13 | mickey|tw | yep |
| 17:20.29 | mickey|tw | it's hard for me to get excited before the what-i'm-afraid-is-the-root-of-everything gets cured |
| 17:20.49 | koen | what's the what-i'm-afraid-is-the-root-of-everything ? |
| 17:20.59 | Crofton | the boogey man! |
| 17:21.20 | mickey|tw | we're literally bombing the modem all the time. these old chips need synchronous treating or at least guaranteed minimum time between two consecutive commands |
| 17:21.43 | mickey|tw | iirc qtopia does that |
| 17:21.50 | mickey|tw | which is the reason why it works better on the hardwrae |
| 17:21.55 | mickey|tw | (guessing here) |
| 17:22.07 | mickey|tw | didn't have time to look at their code |
| 17:22.38 | koen | mickey|tw: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/Xserver-adaptive.patch |
| 17:22.56 | koen | does the right thing on my vga neo |
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| 17:23.48 | mickey|tw | i like that |
| 17:24.16 | koen | horribly inefficient when using busybox, but it gets the job done |
| 17:25.43 | mickey|tw | ya |
| 17:29.25 | XorA|gone | just need to drop the default rotation into a file and save most of that file worth of text |
| 17:29.53 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2d6f350b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: adapt script to take framebuffer size into account when running on devices that can do both vga and qvga |
| 17:29.57 | koen | there we go |
| 17:31.00 | koen | mickey|tw: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2784326fede9285e3965bcebf1328c4a.png <- better contrast, but it doesn't fit anymore |
| 17:31.07 | XorA|gone | koen: been in software industry since 97, never managed to get anyones interest in a change unless it breaks stuff |
| 17:31.45 | koen | XorA|gone: that's because you didn't put a git repo online for it |
| 17:31.46 | XorA|gone | koen: why does DPI for spitz/c7x0 not halve at half screen res :-D |
| 17:32.07 | koen | heh |
| 17:32.21 | XorA|gone | your giving the GTA0? too much lurvins :-) |
| 17:32.37 | koen | my a780 crapped out |
| 17:32.54 | koen | the h2200 doesn't boot because the handhelds kernel is broken |
| 17:33.04 | koen | and I ran out of power for the devboards :) |
| 17:33.27 | XorA|gone | time to linux-rp the 2200? |
| 17:34.36 | koen | the hx4700 can be RP'ed quite easily, since it's using the same asic3 as htc-uni |
| 17:35.17 | XorA|gone | hx2000 is already in linux-rp |
| 17:35.25 | koen | different series |
| 17:35.46 | koen | h22xx is pxa255 with HAMCOP, hx2xxx is pxa270 with other asics |
| 17:36.03 | koen | HAMCOP is basically a stripped down s3c24xx, though |
| 17:36.34 | XorA|gone | heh heh |
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| 17:37.58 | koen | XorA|gone: h2200 is a h5500 with a newer companion asic (HAMCOP vs SAMCOP, both s3c2xxx without arm core) |
| 17:38.42 | XorA|gone | koen: sounds like not too much hassle to bring into linux-rp if some C coder had one or two :-) |
| 17:39.10 | koen | h5550 patches were posted to LAK as part of google SoC |
| 17:39.29 | koen | by the same dude that maintains the power subsystem |
| 17:39.55 | koen | Anton Vontzov or something |
| 17:48.53 | koen | "19-Oct-2007 Netherlands Pending customs inspection." |
| 17:49.00 | koen | lazy customs bastards |
| 17:49.15 | mickey|tw | what did you order? |
| 17:49.31 | koen | analog camera from hong-kong |
| 17:50.07 | koen | hk -> amsterdam was less than a day |
| 17:50.21 | mickey|tw | yet another camera??? |
| 17:50.25 | koen | yeah |
| 17:50.27 | mickey|tw | dude, you have a collector's problem :) |
| 17:50.31 | koen | yeah |
| 17:50.51 | koen | I gained access to the darkroom at the uni :) |
| 17:51.08 | koen | now I can even make prints and enlargements myself |
| 17:52.51 | mickey|tw | nice3 |
| 17:53.39 | XorA|gone | koen is gonna look like an octopus with all those lenses sticking out |
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| 18:14.44 | koen | "optimized blackfin codecs since April 1, 2007" |
| 18:16.24 | mickey|tw | heh |
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| 18:54.26 | CIA-3 | 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r411624e6... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libzvbi: Moved from 0.2.24 to 0.2.25 release. |
| 19:29.58 | koen | why are buildroot users too stupid to use patches? |
| 19:30.17 | chouimat | koen swap the disk then ;) |
| 19:30.46 | koen | the blackfin people forked buildroot and then copied all sources they use into svn |
| 19:31.29 | chouimat | koen it could be worse at xandros they use patches but the patches are at wrong place and feel like ugly hacks |
| 19:31.43 | koen | in buildroot the patches are always in the wrong place |
| 19:32.13 | koen | I can't figure out where they stashed the uclibc config, so I'm going to build it and then see if I can locate .config |
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| 19:59.52 | koen | Crofton: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedienfrech.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F09%2F30%2Ffilmentwicklung-in-kaffee%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 |
| 20:00.15 | Crofton | plenty of hits for that in english also :) |
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| 20:53.43 | RP | "morning" all |
| 20:54.18 | Crofton | gm |
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| 21:02.43 | likewise | gm |
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| 21:12.27 | Crofton | likewise, do you have a copy of the MV kernel for davinci handy? |
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| 21:12.54 | likewise | Crofton: sorry, no, at work I do. You can GIT it though. |
| 21:13.03 | Crofton | the MV one? |
| 21:13.28 | Crofton | the git version hosted by MV does not appear to have the NAND falsh driver .. |
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| 21:14.12 | likewise | Crofton: http://source.mvista.com/git/?p=linux-davinci-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 21:14.20 | Crofton | I have that one |
| 21:14.53 | likewise | Crofton: ok, I have a pre-released Davinci kernel with the eval kit, I guess. |
| 21:14.58 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:15.12 | Crofton | they have their kernel, but it is based of 2.6.10 I think |
| 21:15.19 | likewise | Crofton: I can see if someone put the CD on our server. Lemme check. |
| 21:16.11 | Crofton | thanks |
| 21:16.27 | likewise | Crofton: sorry, nothing in the TI directory. |
| 21:16.46 | Crofton | guess I have to wait until Monday to chat some people up |
| 21:16.51 | likewise | Crofton: did you ever play with the DSP side of the chip? |
| 21:16.57 | Crofton | not yet |
| 21:17.03 | Crofton | A friend of mine is atm |
| 21:17.10 | Crofton | I trying to get Linux on it |
| 21:17.15 | Crofton | I have git booting |
| 21:17.24 | Crofton | and I can mount root over NFS! |
| 21:18.09 | likewise | Crofton: cool, I just got that far with my PowerPC board :-) It's very neat not to have the flash the board on every test cycle :-) |
| 21:18.19 | Crofton | yes |
| 21:18.40 | Crofton | but I want to flash the board so I can run it without the NFS server |
| 21:18.52 | likewise | Crofton: sure, me too someday :-) |
| 21:19.11 | likewise | but I understand, you need to get the NAND Flash working |
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| 22:27.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3180 has been created by joshua(AT)willowisp.net |
| 22:27.07 | cdbot2 | * * bitbake gtk+ fails on 20071020 (and back at least a week) due to missing DEPENDS |
| 22:27.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3180 |
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| 22:56.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug has been RESOLVED by clement.hermann(AT)free.fr |
| 22:56.07 | cdbot2 | * * usb-gadget is broken ( at least in card reader and file-backed mode) |
| 22:56.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id= |
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| 23:18.41 | Kero | phew. Got Ruby *and* the cairo + gtk bindings done. |
