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| 00:09.31 | aloisiojr | two questions... |
| 00:10.23 | aloisiojr | 1) how point to bb file that I have a build depends (not a run depends) |
| 00:10.52 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.07 | aloisiojr | if you answer DEPENDS, I'll say no... because bb make these packages as my run depends too |
| 00:11.20 | aloisiojr | rwhitby: morning... but here is evening :) |
| 00:14.11 | Crofton|home | ~ugt |
| 00:14.12 | ibot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 00:15.40 | aloisiojr | Crofton|home and ibot: ok! i've got it! morning rwhitby! :) |
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| 00:18.10 | aloisiojr | no clues for my question??? even you ibot?? :D |
| 00:18.38 | Crofton | DEPENDS is builds RDEPENDS is runtime |
| 00:18.57 | Crofton | mind you, I get it backwards some times :) |
| 00:20.28 | aloisiojr | Crofton, but when the packages is built, the deb has DEPENDS as runtime depends :( and build-dep is empty... |
| 00:20.54 | Crofton | I am not familiar with the deb stuff |
| 00:21.00 | Crofton | maybe there is a bug? |
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| 00:22.27 | aloisiojr | Crofton, hum ok.... I take a look in the code, tks the help... |
| 00:22.46 | Crofton | np |
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| 02:32.03 | Skapare | anyone have an OE manual that is a complete whole file in some file? one big HTML? PDF? a tarball of all the HTMLs (with the links fixed)? |
| 02:32.17 | Skapare | or maybe a document that explains what all it _can_ do for me |
| 02:33.01 | Skapare | I was reading the online HTML document ... didn't yet find what I wanted to know when I reached chapter 4 and there was no "next" link to continue with |
| 02:33.24 | Skapare | so that document seems to be broken in that way |
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| 05:50.57 | CM | The line 22 in bluez-utils_3.19.bb needs to have the second half removed since the rfcomm config file is no longer there |
| 06:04.54 | rwhitby | CM: it's something more than that - rfcomm.conf was in the previous version, and --enable-serial is still set in OECONF |
| 06:05.38 | CM | rwhitby: Ok. I just wanted to continue the build :) |
| 06:06.17 | CM | I guess the question is if there should be a default rfcomm.conf file in there or if it gets created somehow |
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| 06:25.17 | rwhitby | CM: there always has been such a default file before |
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| 06:30.08 | CM | *nod* The default on my gentoo system contains only comments though. |
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| 06:50.28 | rwhitby | CM: not if you want to, say, connect to a bluetooth gps via bt serial port ... |
| 06:51.45 | CM | Of course, and then it's nice to have some default settings to start from. :) |
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| 07:47.37 | koen | yarrrr |
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| 08:06.27 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:07.55 | XorA | morning |
| 08:09.28 | XorA | ~blame mickey|openexpo |
| 08:09.28 | ibot | ACTION blames mickey|openexpo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 08:09.41 | mickey|openexpo | morning |
| 08:09.42 | mickey|openexpo | heh. |
| 08:09.46 | mickey|openexpo | what did i do? |
| 08:10.08 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: emotion compile segfault |
| 08:10.21 | mickey|openexpo | mmh. natsy |
| 08:10.24 | mickey|openexpo | nasty as well |
| 08:10.31 | koen | we're getting all emotional over that |
| 08:10.48 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: #2992 which you already saw |
| 08:11.00 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb37f72d1... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): bluez: fix problems with CONFFILES, rfcomm.conf goes into -compat |
| 08:11.07 | mickey|openexpo | !oebug 2992 |
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| 08:11.41 | XorA | koen: pretty much all poppler using software needs a rev bump, SO_VER has gone from 1->2 |
| 08:13.05 | koen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day |
| 08:13.10 | XorA | again |
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| 08:25.01 | nik0n | hi i cant do a build bootstrap-image it fails when building the image with the following error: http://nopaste.biz/19441 |
| 08:25.04 | nik0n | any1 got an idea? |
| 08:26.10 | koen | I don't know, but it seems 'update-modules' is missing |
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| 08:28.44 | nik0n | gonna check it ... now the question is why it wasnt build automatically? |
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| 08:32.47 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: epdf hasnt kept up with poppler :-( |
| 08:34.03 | mickey|openexpo | bummer |
| 08:34.13 | mickey|openexpo | i might fix that once i have time |
| 08:35.39 | XorA | poppler_page.cpp:202: error: no matching function for call to 'TextOutputDev::getSelectionText(PDFRectangle*)' |
| 08:35.52 | koen | mickey|openexpo: http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2007/09/19/osim/ |
| 08:37.17 | mickey|openexpo | koen: always nice to read stuff from people who have a clue |
| 08:37.21 | mickey|openexpo | Ari won't like that ;) |
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| 08:38.14 | koen | indeed |
| 08:38.44 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: you know by now you cant possible design an Open system without Nokia at the helm |
| 08:38.56 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: I thought that GUADEC talk had hammered that point home |
| 08:39.19 | mickey|openexpo | :D |
| 08:39.40 | XorA | silly silly mickey|openexpo |
| 08:40.37 | mickey|openexpo | hearing the words... not grasping the meaning :D |
| 08:46.26 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8da3c499... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-gstreamer-plugin_3.19.bb): bluez-gstreamer-plugin: add 3.19 |
| 08:46.30 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r088e148a... 10/ (15 files in 6 dirs): poppler dependants: bump PR since poppler 0.6 changed soversion |
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| 09:13.31 | XorA | ahah good fortran news |
| 09:16.40 | XorA | or yar me maties, fortrans ship is on the horizon |
| 09:17.14 | RP | fortran should just die, quietly |
| 09:17.31 | ade|desk | and it cocks up uclibc builds too |
| 09:17.34 | XorA | RP: what would all the matlabbers do then? |
| 09:17.44 | ade|desk | use maple ? |
| 09:18.48 | XorA | although I used matlab like for a week and never got the point |
| 09:18.56 | XorA | and Ive never used maple |
| 09:20.14 | Crofton|home | aaarrrr |
| 09:20.24 | koen | Crofton|home: avast! |
| 09:20.49 | RP | XorA: Fortran was just a continually source of frustration when I was taught it... |
| 09:21.06 | Crofton|home | shiver me timbers |
| 09:21.22 | Crofton|home | RP, you *taught* FORTRAN? |
| 09:21.33 | RP | Crofton|home: I was taught it |
| 09:21.50 | Crofton|home | you should be ashamed |
| 09:22.18 | RP | Crofton|home: They were still teaching it to Physics undergrads in 2003 |
| 09:22.53 | ade|desk | only to physics undergrads that took the wrong modules |
| 09:23.04 | Crofton|home | I heard a rumour they use it on the local super computer cluster |
| 09:23.09 | RP | ade|desk: Nope, compulsory. |
| 09:23.22 | ade|desk | where was that ? |
| 09:23.27 | RP | ade|desk: Durham |
| 09:23.33 | ade|desk | ah , cold place |
| 09:23.41 | RP | About the one thing I have against them |
| 09:23.42 | Crofton|home | I work in Durham Hall |
| 09:24.39 | ade|desk | only been to durham once, visited an all girls college .. never again ... feared for my life |
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| 09:25.07 | RP | ade|desk: Mary's was "interesting". They're all a bit weird there... |
| 09:25.25 | ade|desk | nice food though |
| 09:25.51 | CM | There's a lot of good math and physics libs implemented in Fortran, but it's good you don't have to use Fortran to use them. :) |
| 09:26.21 | RP | ade|desk: I spent most of my time in Mary's in the bar ;-) |
| 09:26.53 | RP | ade|desk: Usually as part of an every college bar crawl... |
| 09:27.34 | XorA | yay, I am heir to a 48,000,000 GBP fortune |
| 09:27.47 | ade|desk | lend us a fiver then |
| 09:28.02 | XorA | RP: you didnt do much crawling, more leaning if you were always in the bar |
| 09:28.16 | koen | ade|desk: mpfr error? |
| 09:28.42 | ade|desk | koen sounds about right |
| 09:29.57 | RP | XorA: With 14 bars and only a few hours it really required running between them rather than crawling :) |
| 09:31.33 | koen | ade|desk: I have a workaround for that |
| 09:32.07 | koen | with fortran we can build R too |
| 09:32.25 | RP | Does anyone have any thoughts on my mail about cross and staging? |
| 09:33.14 | koen | RP: looks sane, but I think we should think some more about making such changes, so we can do them all well and in one go |
| 09:34.09 | RP | koen: Yes, I just wanted to write it down whilst I remember it :). I will probably add some of it to poky sooner than later though |
| 09:43.21 | koen | cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gfortran |
| 09:43.23 | koen | there we go |
| 09:43.59 | koen | and now uclibc |
| 09:46.00 | koen | NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.2.1-r5: task do_compile: started |
| 09:48.10 | koen | octave on a a780 |
| 09:53.22 | koen | koen@lieve:/media/hda4/OE/build/tmp-new/angstrom$ ls cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/ | grep libgfortran.so.2.0.0 |
| 09:53.22 | koen | libgfortran.so.2.0.0 |
| 09:53.23 | koen | koen@lieve:/media/hda4/OE/build/tmp-new/angstrom$ ls deploy/glibc/ipk/* | grep gfor |
| 09:53.23 | koen | koen@lieve:/media/hda4/OE/build/tmp-new/angstrom$ |
| 09:55.36 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbac543c4... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): gcc(-cross): enable fortran for arm/EABI, thanks to Alain for showing and testing the patch |
| 10:01.19 | nik0n | anyone got a machine configuration for a lan fonera device |
| 10:01.20 | nik0n | ? |
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| 10:46.42 | mickey|openexpo | hmm |
| 10:46.47 | mickey|openexpo | grr |
| 10:46.52 | mickey|openexpo | gcc-r8 fails |
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| 10:48.04 | XorA | koen: run while you still got legs :_) |
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| 10:58.41 | CIA-3 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r29237078... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): gcc-cross-initial: Factor common code into an inc file, don't run make install for do_install since its pointless (from poky) |
| 10:58.50 | CIA-3 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r318b0b2a... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gcc-cross-initial: Use common inc file for a couple more files (from poky) |
| 11:02.04 | Jin^eLD | re |
| 11:02.33 | ade|desk | RP: "ERROR: Could not include required file gcc-cross-initial.inc while parsing" is that down to your last commits ? |
| 11:02.51 | RP | ade|desk: mtn pull ;-) |
| 11:04.33 | ade|desk | ah thats a very recent addition then |
| 11:05.30 | koen | XorA: r8 isn't mine :) |
| 11:08.38 | CIA-3 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0ba4bbe5... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial.inc): gcc-cross-initial: Add missing file |
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| 11:19.32 | koen | mickey|openexpo: what are your thought on marking gtkrc and themefiles as CONFFILE so changes will get preserved over package upgrades? |
| 11:19.50 | mickey|openexpo | sounds reasonable |
| 11:19.58 | nik0n | anyone aware of a goot howto for building machine.conf files? with jffs options etc? |
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| 11:22.02 | thos | koen, has anyone mentioned to you that libgfortran is not compilng in gcc-cross? |
| 11:22.27 | koen | thos: I have it compiling over here |
| 11:23.06 | thos | koen, I get a problem with kinds.h being missing |
| 11:23.34 | thos | koen, http://pastebin.ca/703110 |
| 11:25.24 | RP | koen: Note thos is using 4.1.2, not 4.2.1 |
| 11:25.57 | thos | I didn't specify any version myself... |
| 11:26.01 | koen | I built 4.1.2 and 4.2.1 with fortran this morning |
| 11:26.39 | koen | let me see if I can reproduce it |
| 11:28.26 | koen | libgfortran/mk-kinds-h.sh: Unknown type |
| 11:28.39 | koen | I had that error like 2 years ago, don't know how it went away |
| 11:36.37 | koen | thos: cross-initial built ok? |
| 11:37.23 | thos | koen, yeah |
| 11:38.17 | koen | ok |
| 11:39.19 | koen | I'm rebuilding gcc-cross 4.1.2 on two machines, one with and one without rebuilding gcc-cross-initial |
| 11:39.27 | RP | koen: I didn't change the stamps on cross-initial anyway since the changes have no effect on staging/cross |
| 11:39.59 | RP | and people probably don't want to rebuild gcc initial after gcc-cross anyway since it has potential to screw things up |
| 11:40.06 | koen | cross-initial share PR with -cross |
| 11:40.21 | RP | ok |
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| 11:41.30 | koen | NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.2-r8: task do_rm_work_all: completed |
| 11:41.38 | koen | for the one without rebuilding cross-initial |
| 11:43.06 | thos | koen, by the way *please please please* can we remove the "got here" patch from dbus |
| 11:43.32 | koen | thos: only if you can prove it isn't needed anymore |
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| 11:43.57 | koen | it solved a reproducable segfault |
| 11:44.15 | RP | Does poky use that patch? |
| 11:44.16 | thos | koen, we've not used it in poky for months (years?) and never had a problem |
| 11:44.33 | koen | yes, poky |
| 11:44.35 | koen | not OE |
| 11:44.52 | thos | koen, it was removed from openmoko OE for a while and never had a problem |
| 11:45.12 | RP | koen: Is there a simple test to see whether this segfault is present? |
| 11:46.56 | koen | RP: yes: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7675 |
| 11:47.52 | koen | if some with an *OE* build can run that testcase and it doesn't segfault, then and only then the patch can go |
| 11:48.14 | koen | on the autobuilder: NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.2-r8: task do_build: completed |
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| 11:49.24 | RP | thos: next build, remove that patch, type "dbus-monitor --system" in the image and then ask koen to remove the patch ;-) |
| 11:50.01 | koen | RP: only when running dbus-daemon under gdb |
| 11:51.05 | koen | I don't want to have something like dbus break in a non-obvious way :/ |
| 11:51.46 | RP | koen: That patch just moves some kind of race or memory corruption, its still broken |
| 11:52.07 | koen | RP: what's the alternative? |
| 11:52.24 | RP | koen: Fix it properly |
| 11:52.40 | koen | RP: I don't know how and the dbus dudes don't know either |
| 11:52.50 | Crofton|home | right way, wrong way, and the homer way :) |
| 11:53.12 | koen | removing a patch that allows the daemon to run isn't an option |
| 11:53.52 | RP | koen: no segfault under gdb here either |
| 11:54.16 | thos | RP: well, as soon as gcc-cross compiles again, I will ;-) |
| 11:54.17 | RP | koen: The --nofork option doesn't exist now so the testcase no longer even fully applies ;-) |
| 11:54.21 | koen | RP: ok, so that patch can go :) |
| 11:54.47 | RP | koen: This is on poky, not OE but I fail to see why it would be much different for OE |
| 11:55.05 | RP | thos: Just disable fortran for now |
| 11:55.16 | RP | thos: Its not like you need it... |
| 11:55.55 | koen | RP: the patch stays in till someone proves it isn't needed on an OE build |
| 11:56.11 | thos | RP: it's not like it's been need since the 70s either ;-) |
| 11:56.27 | RP | thos: quite ;-) |
| 11:56.38 | Crofton|home | http://www.math.vt.edu/people/sturler/ |
| 11:56.45 | Crofton|home | search this page for fortran |
| 11:56.46 | RP | koen: thos will do that shortly, once his builds work again |
| 11:56.57 | Crofton|home | they let EE's use the pool and beach also |
| 11:57.21 | Crofton|home | just for the record, gcc-cross is barfing for me on a clean build |
| 11:58.35 | RP | Crofton|home: thos said "need", not "use" ;-) |
| 11:59.24 | RP | I'd even buy the argument that fortran was more accurate than C with floating point until the last 10 years or so but it isn't really needed now... |
| 11:59.48 | Crofton|home | its just moldy old guys who do not want to rewrite their code |
| 12:00.03 | thos | any clues on disabling fortran in gcc then? |
| 12:01.59 | koen | thos: mtn pull && mtn up |
| 12:05.37 | Crofton|home | RP, rewrite bitbake in FORTRAN |
| 12:07.25 | Crofton|home | man the poop deck! |
| 12:08.12 | Crofton|home | gcc-cross? |
| 12:08.16 | Crofton|home | barfing? |
| 12:09.06 | XorA | shiver koens timbers :-) |
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| 12:11.33 | Crofton|home | Don't tase me bro' |
| 12:16.57 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0cd4358a... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc_4.1.2.bb): gcc 4.1.2: disable fortran as it doesn't build for everybody (it works fine on the autobuilder and my home machine) |
| 12:20.58 | Crofton|home | I wish this guy had said "I'm being repressed!" |
| 12:21.20 | XorA | Crofton|home: your out of line, please sit down before I tase you |
| 12:21.56 | XorA | yarr, Ill make yah timbers shiver with me magic box of lightning |
| 12:22.10 | Crofton|home | it'll make you jump |
| 12:22.51 | Crofton|home | that is likely how a taser works .... |
| 12:23.14 | XorA | I thought they were jacobs ladder things |
| 12:23.56 | Crofton|home | I am guessing they interupt current flow in an inductor to get high voltage pulses |
| 12:24.13 | Crofton|home | v = L di/dt |
| 12:24.18 | XorA | Crofton|home: time for wikipedia :-) |
| 12:25.42 | XorA | Crofton|home: nah, they are a standard transformer, nothing interesting |
| 12:25.59 | koen | autobot or decepticon? |
| 12:26.02 | XorA | Crofton|home: or jacobs ladder |
| 12:26.15 | XorA | Decepticon |
| 12:26.28 | XorA | the autobots only ever won by luck |
| 12:27.02 | Crofton|home | shoudl gcc build atm? |
| 12:27.21 | XorA | gcc waz a might ship, yarrr |
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| 12:45.47 | steliosk | nik0n : there are a few machines that use jffs2 in OE. One i worked on is magicbox |
| 12:50.21 | Crofton|home | stop complaining, you are already getting a good deal .... |
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| 12:50.55 | Crofton|home | ~change 1 usd to eur |
| 12:51.12 | Crofton|home | ~change 1 usd to euro |
| 12:52.20 | steliosk | Crofton|home | its 1.398 since i checked in the morning |
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| 12:57.41 | steliosk | Crofton|home : Don't :) it will change before OEDEM |
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| 13:23.49 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:36.53 | nud | gcc 4.1.2 is broken isn't it ? |
| 13:37.09 | RP | Yay, cross in poky taken from 100MB in 1011 files to 24MB in 72 files :) |
| 13:37.28 | mickey|openexpo | nice |
| 13:37.33 | RP | Two less make install cycles for glibc too so faster |
| 13:38.27 | RP | nud: It shouldn't be if you mtn up |
| 13:38.35 | Crofton | yeah |
| 13:38.44 | Crofton | it looks like it is working for me now |
| 13:38.53 | nud | maybe I was just in the wrong timeframe |
| 13:39.03 | Crofton | yeah |
| 13:39.09 | Crofton | bad morning |
| 13:40.53 | koen | RP: switch to uclibc, that builds in like 3 minutes :) |
| 13:41.45 | ade|desk | :) |
| 13:42.28 | nud | hm do someone know where I could find quickcapture specs from intel ? /me desperate |
| 13:42.52 | nud | compiling gcc still fails |
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| 13:43.49 | nud | http://rafb.net/p/xjh8bB72.html <-- the error message |
| 13:44.08 | Crofton | nud, I restarted by wiping tmp |
| 13:44.20 | nud | wiping tmp ? |
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| 13:45.50 | mwester | Somebody tell me, please, that we didn't bump the version on gcc again, did we? |
| 13:46.33 | nud | only the rev number |
| 13:46.33 | RP | nud: Are you sure you did mtn pull and mtn up? |
| 13:46.43 | nud | RP: certain |
| 13:47.08 | RP | nud: It shouldn't be building fortran for gcc 4.1.2 now |
| 13:47.24 | nud | I rm'ed -rf /stuff/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.1.2-r8/ |
| 13:47.32 | nud | now let's try again |
| 13:47.45 | RP | nud: bitbake gcc-cross -c clean first |
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| 14:12.42 | Crofton | bother |
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| 14:13.15 | Crofton | my autobuild croaked horribly |
| 14:15.11 | riot | i'm having problems with "ttf-liberation_0.2.bb", because wget tries to access a https-url without having the certificate nor -no-check.. |
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| 14:17.27 | slapin | hi, all! do anybody remembers how to re-generate sysdeps/.../configure files within glibc? |
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| 14:18.28 | slapin | root configurde is re-generated ok |
| 14:19.29 | steliosk | osas : it looks like i will miss your presentation :( My flight arrives at 9:15 don't think i'll be at the venue before 11 |
| 14:19.47 | koen | RP: I think packages/gcc needs to get a good makeover Real Soon(TM) instead of tweaking the current cruft |
| 14:19.57 | osas | I will make another one for you :) |
| 14:20.05 | osas | do you have a hotel? |
| 14:20.17 | koen | RP: same applies to glibc |
| 14:21.04 | steliosk | osas : yeah. i am staying at the conference hotel. The astricon people were kind enought to help out |
| 14:21.11 | RP | koen: Agreed, I kind of started on that with the -initial gcc changes ;-) |
| 14:21.12 | osas | nice |
| 14:22.23 | steliosk | osas : I am going over my schedule. There is one more interesting presentation at 3:30 Porting asterisk to IBM Power risck Processor |
| 14:23.07 | osas | we will both attend then |
| 14:24.04 | koen | RP: I often think "this looks very wrong, but I'll leave it in" |
| 14:25.59 | RP | koen: There is a lot of potential for breaking things too though :/ |
| 14:26.25 | koen | that's why I leave it in :/ |
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| 14:33.36 | steliosk | RP, koen : Could i make a suggestion ? Would it be possible to hold all gcc changes for after OEDEM ? |
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| 14:35.47 | RP | steliosk: What's the concern? |
| 14:36.45 | steliosk | RP, koen : It would make sense in order to get a stable tree, from the existing code base, before moving on |
| 14:40.31 | RP | steliosk: The tricky bit then is everyone switches to this stable tree and nobody tests .dev :/ |
| 14:42.59 | steliosk | RP : I don't think this will happen |
| 14:43.45 | steliosk | RP : we have a lot of adventure seeking people in OE :) |
| 14:44.09 | RP | steliosk: :) |
| 14:44.44 | RP | steliosk: I don't really want to ban touching the toolchain for 3-4 weeks until OEDEM |
| 14:45.07 | RP | steliosk: I wouldn't make any change like the staging layout until after then though |
| 14:45.47 | XorA | to be fair the last changes to gcc were tested by two people on three machines and worked, it was just bad luck they fail on some machines |
| 14:45.47 | koen | to quote mickey|openexpo "to we need a .really-dev?!?!" |
| 14:46.05 | Crofton | we need to attract the less adventurous types |
| 14:46.13 | Crofton | the ones with loose wallets :) |
| 14:46.29 | XorA | Crofton: Angstrom-stable is a topic for OEDEM Angstrom meeting |
| 14:46.33 | steliosk | RP : I am not talking about a general ban just to avoid big changes , like those discussed on the ml ;) |
| 14:46.58 | Crofton | I need to write down my thoughts on stable and how to deal with third party groups |
| 14:47.07 | Crofton | koen, :) |
| 14:47.08 | RP | steliosk: Like the one I just sent? |
| 14:47.19 | steliosk | XorA : A stable release assumes a stable toolchain |
| 14:47.24 | RP | Crofton: Please do |
| 14:47.59 | Crofton | I don't pretend to know everything, but we need a starting place |
| 14:48.00 | steliosk | RP : I was reading yesterday mails, haven't looked at today post |
| 14:48.12 | Crofton | copying back and forth to poky drives me nuts :) |
| 14:48.38 | steliosk | Crofton : this would be a good thing |
| 14:48.43 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:48.51 | Crofton | must finish SDR Forum paper first |
| 14:49.19 | RP | Crofton: Any viewpoints are welcome on the issue, particularly one I've not heard before :) |
| 14:49.29 | Crofton | heh |
| 14:49.45 | RP | steliosk: I just prposed a 33 files changed, 75 insertions(+), 406 deletions(-) patch to several bits of core toolchain ;-) |
| 14:50.05 | HopsNBarley | howdy - i essentially copied the angstrom-2007.1 config, set my TARGET_OS to linux-gnueabi, and all is well until libtool-native. in the compile phase, it first does a "/bin/sh ./config.status --recheck", which bombs out with: "configure: error: source directory already configured;" |
| 14:50.05 | steliosk | RP : How about "Please don't make changes to the toolchain and i'll give you a big bottle of Ouzo at OEDEM" ? |
| 14:50.14 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 14:50.23 | Crofton | bring a case |
| 14:50.46 | XorA | what flavour is Ouzo again? |
| 14:50.47 | Crofton | that stuff is like drinking candy |
| 14:50.51 | Crofton | licorice |
| 14:51.00 | koen | HopsNBarley: you have a symlink in your path |
| 14:51.06 | HopsNBarley | i compared the non-eabi and eabi config.status'es of libtool-native, and their is one wierd difference: a block of sed code is missing in the eabi one. |
| 14:51.13 | HopsNBarley | koen, uh, lemme check that. |
| 14:51.42 | XorA | I dud Ouzo and Irn Bru, the blacksmith cocktail, we should make some at OEDEM |
| 14:51.45 | HopsNBarley | koen, how'd you know that? (-; |
| 14:51.49 | XorA | s/dud/dub/ |
| 14:52.06 | ynezz | HopsNBarley: it's FAQ :p |
| 14:52.20 | RP | steliosk: One of my biggest fears is I go and clean poky's toolchain up and then can't merge the cleanup back to OE |
| 14:52.39 | HopsNBarley | thanks ynezz! |
| 14:52.48 | RP | or get left having to merge the cleanup in one go rather than step by step |
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| 14:54.57 | Crofton | crap, I just deleted my auto build script |
| 14:55.32 | Crofton | koen, can you pastebin your script again ... |
| 14:55.49 | Crofton | this time I call it something different from the auto build tmp dir .... |
| 14:56.07 | steliosk | RP: I think we should hold major changes to the toolchain for after OEDEM. I understand that it will probably require more work to catch up with Poky, but for i believe a stable and tasted toolchain is need it. |
| 14:56.28 | koen | Crofton: http://rafb.net/p/z30gdb47.html |
| 14:56.45 | koen | what does OEDEM have to do with a stable toolchain? |
| 14:56.58 | RP | steliosk: As long as you understand it will kill my interest in fixing it |
| 14:57.07 | ade|desk | fair play |
| 14:57.32 | steliosk | RP : That's where the Ouzo comes in :) |
| 14:57.41 | XorA | maybe its time again for the discussion to move glibc/binutils/gcc out of .dev to .dev-toolchain |
| 14:57.51 | RP | koen: steliosk wants the current toolchain in the stable release rather than something I/we change before then |
| 14:58.10 | koen | RP: your cross-must-go plan would benefit uclibc as well |
| 14:58.30 | koen | RP: you can branch of at any point in the history with mtn |
| 14:58.35 | CIA-3 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raef79819... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-keyboard-im: apply small-screen patch |
| 14:59.31 | RP | steliosk: It doesn't sadly. I have a tiny amount of time now to look at this and I can't come back to it in a month when I won't remember why/what I was doing and will have to remember it :( |
| 15:00.09 | RP | koen: I'm not totally out to remove cross. I can now see why it needs to be there and its probably ok in the reduced form, if we can get the compiler using sane paths |
| 15:00.39 | RP | koen: Removing the lib and include files is fair game to me though as I'd class it as a bug currently |
| 15:03.10 | nud | mmh I can't link my c++ code anymore, looks like libstdc++ has vanished |
| 15:04.01 | CM | cbrake: Well written post again :) |
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| 15:26.04 | nud | [embedder@parterredecrocus] armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi $ find /stuff/build/tmp/staging/ -name "libstd*.so" |
| 15:26.05 | nud | [embedder@parterredecrocus] armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi $ |
| 15:26.08 | cbrake | CM: thanks |
| 15:26.20 | nud | why isn't libstdc++ installed anymore ? |
| 15:29.22 | Darth_Wader | maybe its because nothing need it by default? |
| 15:29.56 | nud | I've got a c++ project of my own in my image, and it doesn't compile anymore... |
| 15:30.14 | nud | well, actually it does, but it fails at link time |
| 15:30.37 | nud | it worked fine yesterday... |
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| 17:24.45 | koen | RP: marcin was working on the zaurus defconfigs, right? |
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| 17:52.46 | RP | koen: yes |
| 17:53.59 | dfoley | minor bitbake question, koen ? |
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| 19:39.19 | cbrake | yay, angstrom-console-image build dir is only 5G again -- graphical dependencies must be back under control :-) |
| 19:44.13 | Crofton | we need to support the iphone |
| 19:44.14 | Crofton | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9037398&intsrc=hm_list |
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| 19:53.33 | mickey|openexpo | zecke! |
| 19:53.40 | mickey|openexpo | zecke: how did you spend the night? |
| 19:53.50 | mickey|openexpo | (don't say "sleeping") |
| 20:00.33 | zecke | mickey|openexpo: I did sleep, in a christian hostel (shelter.nl) in the redlight district |
| 20:01.03 | mickey|openexpo | oops...redlight tss... |
| 20:03.46 | khem | I have been hitting this error here http://pastebin.ca/703749 |
| 20:03.52 | khem | any ideas ? |
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| 20:12.50 | zecke | mickey|openexpo2: But I'm back in eindhoven now, I don't know what I love about Amsterdam |
| 20:13.23 | mickey|openexpo2 | i like the bridges.. |
| 20:15.01 | mr_nice | zecke: if you are on trevel it is worth to take a look at http://couchsurfing.org/ |
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| 20:29.20 | rob_w | i just did a mtn pull & update from a repo which was a week old and now bitbake starts almost over from scratch |
| 20:30.28 | mickey|openexpo2 | sounds like people worked on the toolchain |
| 20:30.35 | mickey|openexpo2 | that happens sometimes |
| 20:33.10 | rob_w | too bad .. i was almost done, it stopped at missing gtk-webcore-ncrit or such then i thought i could try a simple update |
| 20:33.57 | mickey|openexpo2 | well, you can try bitbake -c rebuild <package> |
| 20:34.04 | mickey|openexpo2 | this doesn't honor dependencies |
| 20:34.31 | rob_w | does this work against bitbake gpe-image ? |
| 20:34.56 | rob_w | well i keep it rebuilding over night . Its ok |
| 20:57.54 | christopher | anyone out there built rhythmbox? there are two versions out there. Just wondering if anyone got them to build. It fails configure looking for Gstreamer and says it doesn't find anything newer than .8 even though I have .10 built. |
| 20:59.47 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: ping? |
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| 21:01.39 | rob_w | hmm why is this : " No package 'gtk-webcore-nrcit' found" |
| 21:06.05 | christopher | I don't see rhythmbox in the repo either |
| 21:15.54 | rob_w | feels like osb-nrcit misses osb-jscore and osb-nrcore as dependency |
| 21:18.20 | zecke | koen: did you build the browser yet? |
| 21:19.02 | rob_w | NOTE: package gpe-mini-browser-0.21: completed :-) |
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| 21:21.06 | rob_w | this task foo magic since some weeks is really scary ! how is this done ? |
| 21:29.32 | Tartarus | rob_w, where do you get that error? |
| 21:29.35 | Tartarus | ipkg-cl in making an image? |
| 21:30.28 | rob_w | Tartarus, not was at gpe-mini-browser at task_configure -> building this other osb-XX by hand fixed it |
| 21:30.54 | Tartarus | doh, k |
| 21:31.10 | Tartarus | i'm having this problem where when making my image, ipkg-cl can't find any of the ipk files |
| 21:46.42 | rob_w | | genext2fs: couldn't allocate a block (no free space); NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: failed huuh ?? |
| 21:57.57 | NAbyss | rob_w: Read the message.. are you out of disk space? |
| 21:59.19 | rob_w | NAbyss, my host certainly not but the i686-generic target filesystem "ext2.gz" probably is .. using only "tar" as filesystem is fine |
| 22:03.30 | rob_w | incredible 131MB is gpe-image these days .. wow |
| 22:09.28 | tuukkah | zecke, would you be interested in committing a recipe for PyWebKitGtk? http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3028 |
| 22:12.58 | zecke | LICENSE = "GPL" is that what you really want? |
| 22:14.00 | tuukkah | hmm that's what PyWebKitGtk has in COPYING |
| 22:14.49 | zecke | tuukkah: right, I just wonder about it. Wrapping a partly BSD/LGPL project using h2def.py and saying the result is GPL is strange, but the recipe is okay in this respect |
| 22:15.16 | zecke | tuukkah: you don't want to hardcode /usr though |
| 22:16.26 | tuukkah | zecke, is there some variable i should be using instead? |
| 22:17.17 | zecke | tuukkah: let me search an example |
| 22:18.38 | tuukkah | autotools.bbclass has "--prefix=${prefix}" |
| 22:19.56 | zecke | tuukkah: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/python/python-openmoko_0.1.bb |
| 22:20.17 | zecke | tuukkah: I think the answer is distutils-base and you want to include hrw's patch for your configure.ac |
| 22:21.01 | nodens | hey ppl. |
| 22:21.11 | tuukkah | i tried to use distutils-base but the resulting packages didn't look right. i didn't check the patch though |
| 22:21.41 | nodens | poll : how long for building a minimal image from the ground up ? |
| 22:21.49 | zecke | tuukkah: instead of /usr/lib you want to use ${libdir} for sure (check conf/bitbake.conf for available paths) |
| 22:22.19 | zecke | tuukkah: but mickeyl is our python master, so you might want to ask him as well |
| 22:22.31 | nodens | I have some quirks in my work directory, and it would take some effort (thus time) to fix, but a complete build is sooo long |
| 22:22.47 | tuukkah | zecke, ok, thanks! |
| 22:25.14 | zecke | tuukkah: and consider changing the license |
| 22:25.48 | tuukkah | yes, i'll ask about it |
| 22:27.01 | tuukkah | zecke, would LGPL be good? |
| 22:27.39 | tuukkah | or should it be some mixture of BSD and LGPL? |
| 22:28.26 | zecke | tuukkah: LGPL would be good, the usage of WebKit should not be limited by a license and I think a call to h2def.py is not really copyrightable :) |
| 22:28.49 | zecke | tuukkah: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/python/src/openmoko-ui/openmokouimodule.c?rev=1&root=bindings&view=markup, you want to add the PyErr_Print() to your module.c as well |
| 22:29.04 | zecke | tuukkah: it is nice to find out why loading didn't work |
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| 22:35.45 | tuukkah | ok, good tip |
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