| 00:00.08 | nodens | I think I narrowed down the keylaunch 'fn' problem on spitz to either the X server intercepting the key or the key syms having changed. |
| 00:00.25 | nodens | the problem is, I don't have enough Xlib knowledge to be sure :/ |
| 00:02.18 | nodens | I strongly suspect xorg 7.1, though. |
| 00:02.34 | nodens | I mean 7.2 ;) |
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| 00:32.21 | nodens | yai ! |
| 00:32.35 | nodens | found. the problem is in the xmodmap :) |
| 00:33.01 | nodens | BUT fixing it will bring back another bug with mozilla. |
| 00:34.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 2905 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de |
| 00:34.06 | cdbot2 | * * python-pygtk does not provide working "import gtk" |
| 00:34.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2905 |
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| 06:13.16 | koen|away | RP: Angstrom-angstrom-x11-image-glibc-deb-2008.1-test-20070831-c7x0-installkit.tgz :) |
| 06:13.51 | koen|away | RP: didn't boot it yet, but image generation with .debs work my my local copy now |
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| 08:49.45 | gremlin_it | hi all |
| 08:50.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 2906 has been created by mitroshin(AT)gmail.com |
| 08:50.08 | cdbot2 | * * /proc/arm stays permanent |
| 08:50.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2906 |
| 08:50.14 | gremlin_it | i got a problem with eglibc ... but i suppose is only a OE error .... |
| 08:50.21 | gremlin_it | take a look -> NOTE: package eglibc-intermediate-2.6+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: started |
| 08:51.46 | gremlin_it | tha svn date is completelly wrong (and with a space) so it fail to decompress tha tar.gz, despite it's creadetd with the right name, with a true date |
| 08:52.23 | rwhitby | that means that package is using a bitbake feature that your bitbake does not have |
| 08:52.38 | rwhitby | SRCREV functionality I believe |
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| 08:54.01 | gremlin_it | but i previous days it worked ... |
| 08:56.45 | rwhitby | dunno - just giving you any hints that I can think of |
| 08:56.54 | dcordes | could somebody be so kind an and commit upgraded recipe for rt73 driver module? I built and tested it for angstrom/akita- working fine. http://www.pastebin.ca/677736 |
| 08:57.49 | gremlin_it | sure, thanks anyway rwhitby :) |
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| 09:35.12 | likewise | gm all |
| 09:36.45 | Cyberdeck | hi likewise |
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| 11:14.58 | flo_lap | good morning |
| 11:15.17 | dcordes|gone | hi |
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| 11:36.24 | Crofton | gm |
| 11:36.43 | flo_lap | hi Crofton |
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| 12:33.45 | mickey|mdd | anyone familiar with meta/meta-sdk and/or meta/meta-toolchain ? |
| 12:35.01 | koen|away | mickey|mdd: you really want to wait for the poky classes to get merged so we can use their toolchain stuff |
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| 12:38.24 | koen | the diffs for the poky classes are on the oe-dev ml as RFC |
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| 12:40.49 | mickeyl | are they |
| 12:40.50 | mickeyl | good |
| 12:40.55 | mickeyl | i'll review when I'm back then |
| 12:40.58 | mickeyl | i need a toolchain |
| 12:41.10 | mickeyl | will the poky patches make it relocatable? |
| 12:41.18 | koen | not sure about that |
| 12:41.23 | mickeyl | k |
| 12:41.37 | koen | it would make it pluggable into OE as ASSUME_PROVIDED |
| 12:42.03 | mickeyl | ah, right, yes, that's a plus |
| 12:42.12 | mickeyl | but primarily I'm looking for a standalone toolchain |
| 12:42.20 | koen | their change to image.bbclass is sweet |
| 12:42.37 | koen | all you need is IMAGE_INSTALL = "udev dropbear busybox" in an image recipe |
| 12:45.40 | mickeyl | hmm, this toolchain here does not quite produce working binaries |
| 12:45.42 | mickeyl | ./hello-world: ./hello-world: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 12:45.46 | mickeyl | does that ring a bell? |
| 12:46.10 | koen | x86 binary? |
| 12:46.24 | mickeyl | no, arch is ok |
| 12:46.26 | mickeyl | mickey@harrypotter:/tmp$ file ./hello-world |
| 12:46.26 | mickeyl | ./hello-world: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 12:46.27 | koen | and c++ is know broken |
| 12:46.34 | mickeyl | it's gcc |
| 12:46.39 | mickeyl | C, even |
| 12:46.48 | koen | is it an eabi binary? |
| 12:46.58 | mickeyl | yep, produced with the output of meta-sdk |
| 12:47.11 | mickeyl | (since meta-toolchain does not package any compilers) |
| 12:50.00 | koen | tried disambling it? |
| 12:50.20 | mickeyl | disassembling? |
| 12:50.24 | mickeyl | no, not yet |
| 12:50.42 | koen | or just stracing it |
| 12:51.11 | koen | (normally I would say "use OE, it works" at this point) |
| 12:51.31 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:51.40 | mickeyl | unfortunately this doesn't work this time |
| 12:51.54 | mickeyl | root@fic-gta01:/tmp$ strace ./hello-world |
| 12:51.54 | mickeyl | execve("./hello-world", ["./hello-world"], [/* 13 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) |
| 12:52.01 | mickeyl | wow |
| 12:52.24 | koen | I'd still vote for handing out qemu images containing a native toolchain |
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| 12:53.49 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:54.20 | koen | what do you think about making company maintainers (e.g. the mysterious openmoko one) part of the angstrom core team? |
| 12:55.16 | mickeyl | sounds good to me |
| 12:55.19 | mickeyl | if he wants :) |
| 12:55.33 | koen | or she :) |
| 12:55.46 | mickeyl | right |
| 12:55.49 | mickeyl | :D |
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| 13:18.21 | RP | Who in OE uses meta-sdk and/or meta-toolchain atm? |
| 13:18.33 | RP | flo_lap: Are you the main user of the above? |
| 13:19.45 | flo_lap | RP: hum well, I wouldn't say "main user" but I use it from time to time. |
| 13:20.02 | RP | flo_lap: What for exactly? To make a toolchain you can use outside OE? |
| 13:20.02 | mickeyl | it would be very beneficial if we could merge the poky stuff |
| 13:20.17 | flo_lap | RP: yes |
| 13:20.22 | RP | flo_lap: I changed it quite a bit in Poky and I'm wondering about merging back the changes |
| 13:20.44 | RP | It would still work as an external toolchain but also as one you can ASSUME_PROVIDED in OE too... |
| 13:21.18 | flo_lap | RP: Sounds pretty good... |
| 13:21.21 | mickeyl | yah |
| 13:21.21 | RP | mickeyl: I am aware of bugs with meta-toolchain btw. It can't cope with armv5te vs armv4t etc :-( |
| 13:21.47 | mickeyl | well, gradual improvement :) |
| 13:21.55 | mickeyl | i'd say go for it then |
| 13:22.04 | flo_lap | RP: What do you expect to break merging in the changes? |
| 13:22.36 | RP | flo_lap: Lots of things will get changed and its just possible things will break. I can't point to anything specifically |
| 13:22.50 | RP | flo_lap: I rewrote the binutils-sdk .bb files for example |
| 13:22.56 | RP | and gdb |
| 13:23.33 | RP | We will also need Poky's pkgmap changes which mean people will have to wipe tmp for that change |
| 13:23.53 | flo_lap | well, since it works for Poky it can't be too bad ;) |
| 13:24.06 | RP | flo_lap: right :) |
| 13:24.15 | mickeyl | RP: lets synchronize these changes with the SRCREV changes, so people will only have to wipe tmp once |
| 13:24.33 | RP | mickeyl: You don't have to wipe tmp for the SRCREV changes |
| 13:24.34 | mickeyl | ah well, SRCREV doesn't mean they _have_ to rebuild, but most of them will probably |
| 13:24.55 | mickeyl | then again, not too many changes at once |
| 13:25.09 | RP | Technically you don't have to wipe tmp for the pkgmaps changes either, just the install stamps |
| 13:25.29 | RP | Its probably safer to wipe tmp for most people though |
| 13:26.33 | RP | mickeyl: I also split the package_write_deb and package_write_ipk functions into separate tasks so if you add a new packaging type, it just builds any new packages needed automatically |
| 13:26.48 | mickeyl | whew, nice! |
| 13:27.05 | RP | another meta-toolchain bug is it only works with ipk builds not deb ones :-( |
| 13:32.15 | mickeyl | well, just go for the basics, and lets see whether we can improve then |
| 13:32.26 | mickeyl | OM has a strong interest into an installable toolchain |
| 13:32.37 | RP | We can improve them, I know how to do it, its just a question of time :/ |
| 13:33.09 | RP | mickeyl: Have you looked at bitbake trunk btw? It should be playable with now ;-) |
| 13:33.20 | mickeyl | RP: no time yet |
| 13:33.22 | mickeyl | will do |
| 13:33.35 | RP | mickeyl: bitbake -u ncurses |
| 13:34.08 | RP | mickeyl: There is a lot of bits I don't like and it could do with being made more pythonic but I think we have a good base there to work from with UIs now |
| 13:34.54 | flo_lap | bbl |
| 13:35.06 | mickeyl | RP: awesome! thanks. see ya |
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| 13:56.25 | koen | RP: I have some fixes for rootfs_deb we can merge on top of http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-August/002931.html |
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| 13:57.27 | mickeyl | it shouldn't be hard to call rpmbuilder as well should it? |
| 13:57.34 | mickeyl | (for an external toolchain) |
| 14:02.36 | CIA-17 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd3620bd2... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:02.36 | CIA-17 | imlib2: explicitly state that we're building a version with X11 support |
| 14:02.36 | CIA-17 | add patch to remove using local X11 includes |
| 14:05.09 | koen | RP,mickeyl: update diffs: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/OE/poky/ |
| 14:06.35 | mickeyl | oki, will have a look |
| 14:07.13 | koen | that is able to build a .deb based angstrom-x11-image for me |
| 14:07.49 | koen | (with adapted image recipes, of course) |
| 14:09.22 | koen | afaik the armv4t vs armv5te is just what gcc will choose as default in its builtin spec file, so explicitly passing -march=armv4t works |
| 14:09.32 | koen | (which is how it 'works' in OE) |
| 14:10.00 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 14:11.27 | koen | we should teach package_deb.bbclass to use debtags for the real architecture |
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| 14:18.08 | koen | sakoman: the scanner arrived: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/tags/yashicamat124g/ |
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| 14:57.30 | RP | koen|away: Its tricker than that, the version of glibc we ship with the external toolchain (armv5te or armv4t) determines which type of builds the toolchain will work for |
| 15:02.43 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:03.24 | RP | hi chouimat |
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| 17:37.01 | koen | RP: so we need to make sure the external toolchains are armv4t? |
| 17:38.16 | koen | RP: people that care about OMG OPTIMIZED! can use OE proper |
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| 17:49.41 | yakov | hello |
| 17:50.46 | Jin^eLD | privet :> |
| 17:53.42 | RP | koen: Yes, or we fix the external toolchains to handle this. It shouldn't be that difficult... |
| 17:53.42 | Jin^eLD | Crofton|work: still could not build your image because of the damn uboot git that is offline |
| 17:53.58 | Jin^eLD | can I turn uboot off somehow and build without it? |
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| 18:33.18 | sakoman | koen: Nice photos! The new scanner makes an amazing difference in quality over the ghetto scans :-) |
| 18:33.51 | sakoman | Though for some types of photo the ghetto scan could work -- nice & gritty |
| 18:38.10 | koen | grainy works quite nice for B&W |
| 18:39.15 | koen | and even a 10MPixel it has detail to spare |
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| 18:43.12 | woglinde | hi florian |
| 18:44.36 | flo_lap | re |
| 18:48.07 | sakoman | koen: which scanner did you end up getting? |
| 18:48.20 | koen | canon canoscan 8600f |
| 18:48.33 | koen | I wanted the lide600f (smaller, usb bus powered) |
| 18:48.54 | koen | but the 8600f has an integrated 120 film scanner util thingy |
| 18:50.34 | sakoman | Nice, really reasonable price too |
| 18:51.04 | koen | it has scratch& dust removal hardware as well |
| 18:51.28 | koen | but that uses UV (or IR, I always confuse the two) which doesn't like the silver in b&w films |
| 18:51.29 | sakoman | Makes me sorry I sold my Yashica-MAT :-( |
| 18:52.01 | sakoman | Have to drag out the old 8 x 10 to play with |
| 18:52.19 | koen | a tlr makes people come out and ask to be photographed :) |
| 18:52.35 | sakoman | Cool if there was an 8 x 10 image sensor for it :-) |
| 18:52.43 | koen | :) |
| 18:52.51 | sakoman | Yes, there's something really cool about old photo tech |
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| 18:55.48 | koen | a small downside is that photoshop CS2 is still powerpc |
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| 18:56.52 | sakoman | Don't have an old Mac lying around? |
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| 18:58.10 | koen | yes, but that has only 1.2GB of ram and is low on disk space |
| 18:58.23 | koen | (and is property of my girlfriend) |
| 18:59.21 | sakoman | You could always buy her a new one and upgrade her old machine for photoshop :-) |
| 18:59.41 | koen | or wait for CS3 :) |
| 19:00.00 | sakoman | Took the words out of my mouth ! |
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| 19:00.53 | koen | or poke pippin to finish the gimp port to gegl so it can use >8 bit/channel |
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| 19:02.35 | woglinde | wau |
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| 19:02.39 | woglinde | spam! |
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| 19:13.34 | koen | server -> cable modem -> internet -> adsl -> wifi -> osx |
| 19:13.47 | koen | that's not a good scenario for running meld over X |
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| 19:25.01 | svolpe_gerrath | Is anyone currently using the Nokia N800 here? |
| 19:26.25 | koen | yes, one just spontaniously rebooted itself behind me |
| 19:27.22 | svolpe_gerrath | Koen, LOL what are your thought on it? I've been checking out all the handhelds out there for one to start hacking on and I, so far, keep getting drawn back to it. |
| 19:27.43 | koen | the default nokia software is buggy |
| 19:27.46 | koen | nice hardware |
| 19:28.05 | svolpe_gerrath | Koen, yes I'm not very concerned about the software since I plan to OE it. |
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| 19:29.26 | svolpe_gerrath | Koen, I've only really used the PXA270 so that is another reason I like it as it would be a good opertunity to learn a new processor. I saw it is only 330 MHz but that is the TI processor which I believe has a graphics acc. plus a dsp on board.. |
| 19:30.18 | svolpe_gerrath | all the specs I can find say it has USB high speed ports but does not say if it is client or host ports. |
| 19:30.53 | koen | 12mbit client |
| 19:31.05 | koen | 12mbit unpowered host with kernel patch and funky cable |
| 19:31.17 | svolpe_gerrath | I also have read the video on it is very buggy but I'm assuming that is do to the default software. |
| 19:31.40 | cbrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.58 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: I'm still running nokia's sw on it |
| 19:32.21 | svolpe_gerrath | koen, thats a shame, I was hoping for a USB host, however a funky cable is not an issue to me. |
| 19:32.36 | koen | gah |
| 19:32.54 | koen | I fixed the oe website and after enabling one module its broken again |
| 19:32.57 | svolpe_gerrath | koen, and I can always use an external power source for USB devices. |
| 19:33.16 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, never got time to hack it huh :-) |
| 19:33.51 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: yeah, I've got a long list of device to hack before the 770 -- AT91SAM9260 EK, AVR32 board, openmoko phone ... |
| 19:34.14 | koen | urgs |
| 19:34.15 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: the n770 was worth buying for one reason -- the power management is very interesting. |
| 19:34.16 | koen | avr32 |
| 19:34.43 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: they never suspend the device, they just agressively power manage everything. |
| 19:35.03 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: the battery life is pretty impressive, and the thing always responds instantly |
| 19:35.48 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, thats how our product is :-) we do suspend but only to the mem level so it wakes up instantly. |
| 19:36.07 | cbrake | koen: what is the status of the avr32 stuff in OE? |
| 19:36.49 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, I would rather get the openmoko phone but I don't seem to be able to find one :-/ |
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| 19:37.00 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: cool -- that is the way to do things. |
| 19:37.05 | woglinde | hi crofton |
| 19:37.22 | Crofton | hi |
| 19:37.35 | Crofton | sitting in a field watching people do weird things |
| 19:38.10 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: I really like the neo1973. Guess you could get a n800 now, and the next rev of the neo when it comes out :-) |
| 19:38.34 | koen | cbrake: see privmesg |
| 19:38.53 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, did you have a neo1973? |
| 19:40.02 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: yes, I have a neo1973 |
| 19:40.13 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, were did you get it from? |
| 19:40.21 | Crofton | cbrake, does it work as a phone? |
| 19:40.39 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: bought it from FIC -- I must have ordered early enough ... |
| 19:40.59 | cbrake | Crofton: I've not tried the phone part yet -- still need to get a sim phone. |
| 19:41.16 | Crofton | ah |
| 19:41.25 | Crofton | I have a sim phone already |
| 19:41.27 | cbrake | Crofton: I like the HW pretty well, but looks like it will be a bit before the sw is good enough to throw away my Alltel phone .. |
| 19:41.43 | Crofton | need to finish th is friggin MS thesis :) |
| 19:42.28 | cbrake | Crofton: I'm working with the mono folks to get mono running on it. There is some interest there, and I have a customer running mono. |
| 19:42.48 | Crofton | ah |
| 19:43.16 | koen | cbrake: talked to alp toker yet? |
| 19:43.22 | cbrake | koen: no I have not |
| 19:43.33 | koen | cbrake: that's a mono dude with a clue |
| 19:43.38 | Crofton | crap |
| 19:43.47 | Crofton | the gumstix have been delivered |
| 19:43.56 | Crofton | but I won't be home until Monday ... |
| 19:44.00 | koen | heh |
| 19:44.03 | cbrake | koen: is he interested in ARM, or what does he do with mono? |
| 19:44.18 | Crofton | need to see if my wife saw the package and took it in |
| 19:44.27 | koen | cbrake: he wants to push mono (minus winforms and other crap no one cares about) into GMAE |
| 19:44.52 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, Looks like you can still buy them from openmoko site. |
| 19:45.05 | cbrake | koen: great. Does he have a blog or anything to keep tabs on what he is doing? |
| 19:45.27 | koen | cbrake: http://www.atoker.com/blog/ |
| 19:45.34 | koen | cbrake: he also hacks on webkit/gtk :) |
| 19:46.08 | Crofton | I wish she had bought them up here |
| 19:46.20 | cbrake | koen: excellent, thanks! |
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| 19:50.47 | woglinde | re zecke |
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| 19:57.07 | likewise | hi |
| 19:57.21 | woglinde | hi likewise |
| 19:57.59 | koen | hey likewise |
| 19:58.32 | sakoman | crofton: good thing she didn't bring them or you wouldn't get a thesis work done |
| 19:58.43 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:58.49 | sakoman | having fun? |
| 19:58.52 | Crofton | yeah |
| 19:58.57 | Crofton | it is not raining |
| 19:59.13 | Crofton | now we are telling canadian jokes to a Canadian |
| 19:59.17 | sakoman | Very hot here -- 105F |
| 19:59.24 | Crofton | urg |
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| 19:59.44 | sakoman | Canadian jokes are always fun, eh? |
| 19:59.48 | woglinde | hi ph5 |
| 19:59.57 | Crofton | eh |
| 19:59.58 | pH5 | hej woglinde |
| 20:00.06 | Crofton | yeah, he has a very subtle eh |
| 20:00.22 | sakoman | varies with area of origin |
| 20:00.46 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, I've been going for a month now on trying to decide which portable device to buy. I just want to hack it but its a tough choice :-). |
| 20:01.32 | Crofton | I lived in Hamilton for a few years |
| 20:01.52 | Crofton | My Aunt is on Toronto |
| 20:02.30 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: in my opinion, the openmoko is the most hackable because the BL and everything is open, and fairly clean. But, then if you like reverse engineering, maybe its not the thing to get :-) |
| 20:02.44 | sakoman | Never lived there, had lots of Canadian co-workers |
| 20:02.53 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, no I prefer not to reverse engineer. |
| 20:03.26 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: yeah, I find it refreshing to work on a device where the BL is open, after working on all these compulab projects ... |
| 20:04.54 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, so it does have a gps in it? |
| 20:05.04 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: dunno -- looking ... |
| 20:05.04 | RP | koen: What are the PREFERRED_PROVIDERS doing in the angstrom image files? |
| 20:05.52 | koen | RP: the thought was that different images need different PREFERRED_PROVIDERS |
| 20:06.01 | koen | e.g opie-image and x11-image |
| 20:06.25 | RP | koen: It won't have any effect at all |
| 20:06.35 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, just checked it out, nice even has USB host. |
| 20:06.39 | koen | RP: ah |
| 20:06.48 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, a little slow on the processor but I guess that is because it IS a phone. |
| 20:06.52 | koen | RP: you noticed I don't build opie-images :) |
| 20:07.29 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: yeah, that is nice. Looks like GPS in included, but the driver is currently binary only ... |
| 20:07.40 | RP | koen: ;-) |
| 20:07.52 | koen | cbrake: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=sphyrna :) |
| 20:08.33 | cbrake | koen: heh, I could have assumed ... |
| 20:08.59 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: you could still get a little bit of reverse engineering in on the neo :-) |
| 20:11.43 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, have you looked into its processor yet? (Samsung S3C2410AL-26 )? |
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| 20:12.09 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: 2410 is old and slow, but its a decent processor |
| 20:12.27 | svolpe_gerrath | looks like it is an amr9 |
| 20:13.05 | koen | arm920t |
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| 20:13.28 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: the next version of the neo will have the 2442, which should be a good bit faster. Kind of like the n770 vs the n800 |
| 20:14.58 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: but the big difference will be 2d acceleration. A VGA resolution screen really needs accelaration when driven by an ARM ... |
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| 20:16.38 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, have they posted when the 2d will be out? |
| 20:17.04 | koen | svolpe_gerrath: only that it will be in the gta02 model |
| 20:17.20 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: That is very strange. I would copy a simple php script into main_site and see if that runs. You should not have to be in the root directory to run a php script, unless that is a godaddy restriction -- you may want to contact their tech support. Sometimes there are .htaccess files in directories that enable/disable various features. |
| 20:17.32 | cbrake | argh, wrong past buffer!!! |
| 20:18.17 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 20:20.47 | koen | ah, my second buildhost is without local diff again :) |
| 20:21.19 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, so in Sept. they will let us know what is coming out and when . |
| 20:22.17 | koen | given the past, that will be in oct. |
| 20:22.41 | koen | 'night all |
| 20:29.33 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, lol, I'm still no further along in making a choice :-/ |
| 20:30.18 | cbrake | svolpe_gerrath: that is the problem, you can wait forever as there is always something better just a few months in the future ... |
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| 20:31.22 | likewise | ping anyone. freenode.org went down? |
| 20:31.31 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, exactly, I like the N800 because it has wifi, a nice screen and decent processor, but no USB host and no GPS (unless you pay a lot for the bluetooth GPS module.) |
| 20:31.56 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, the openmoko is great but its a little slow and no wifi. |
| 20:32.09 | likewise | sorry for resend, was disconnected: I am getting these opie errors again, I thought this was solved lately? |
| 20:32.11 | likewise | "${@[”, 'opie-help-en (>= ${OPIE_CVS_PV})'][packaged(bb.data.getVar('PN', d, 1), d) == True]} |
| 20:32.12 | likewise | ERROR: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (" |
| 20:36.14 | mr_nice | flo_lap: hi, do you have some time to help me with oe bug nr 2598 ? |
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| 20:36.37 | woglinde | hi mickeyl |
| 20:36.51 | mickey|mdd | hi woglinde |
| 20:39.00 | flo_lap | mr_nice: muhhaha "time" ;) |
| 20:39.55 | flo_lap | !oebug 2598 |
| 20:39.57 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 2598, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-04 07:06 |
| 20:39.58 | cdbot2 | * * <mr_nice>: angstrom simpad gpe: metabug suspend with power button does not work |
| 20:39.59 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2598 |
| 20:41.00 | flo_lap | mr_nice: right, I noticed this too when I got rid of my last Familiar two weeks ago :) |
| 20:41.09 | svolpe_gerrath | cbrake, and lets not forget the Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000 which is a nice device as well. |
| 20:43.03 | mr_nice | flo_lap: hehe |
| 20:43.20 | flo_lap | mr_nice: I left my Simpad at work - we need to check which key event the button is mapped to. |
| 20:44.01 | flo_lap | keylaunch should die... like ipaq-sleep |
| 20:45.17 | mr_nice | flo_lap: the kernel key event ? |
| 20:45.21 | flo_lap | mickey|mdd: Is there something to replace this in OpenMoko already? |
| 20:45.58 | flo_lap | mr_nice: well... yes |
| 20:46.19 | mickey|mdd | what does ipaq-sleep ? |
| 20:46.21 | mickey|mdd | +do |
| 20:46.26 | mr_nice | flo_lap: the kernel driver keycode for the power button is 116 |
| 20:49.09 | flo_lap | mickey|mdd: It dims lights and suspends the device if it is idle. |
| 20:49.36 | flo_lap | mr_nice: ok, do you know to which X event this is maped? |
| 20:50.35 | mickey|mdd | flo_lap: ah. neod does this currently, but it is hardcoded to the Neo. This functionality is supposed to be taken care of by the forthcoming hardware abstraction -- be that OHM, deviced, machined, or whatever |
| 20:52.53 | mr_nice | flo_lap: hm, I think no X event is maped to it. I have maped it manualy to XF86PowerDown. |
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| 20:54.43 | flo_lap | mickey|mdd: ok... time for me to take a look at ohm, i need to get a concept for this into both gpe and g(pe)^2 |
| 20:55.48 | mr_nice | :) |
| 20:56.42 | flo_lap | mr_nice: ok, then we need to do this in the simpad xmodmap and ship a matching keylaunchrc |
| 20:58.21 | mr_nice | flo_lap: well I have some trouble with keylaunch oe bug 2599. and I have no clue why the mapping is wrong for keylaunch oe bug 2600 |
| 20:59.31 | flo_lap | mr_nice: Currently we map 102 to XF86PowerDown, i'll change this to 116 now |
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| 21:01.07 | mr_nice | flo_lap: in simpad.xmodmap? |
| 21:01.44 | flo_lap | mr_nice: yes |
| 21:01.58 | mr_nice | flo_lap: ok |
| 21:04.43 | mickey|mdd | flo_lap: ya, if you have time to review OHM taking our needs into account, I'd be grateful for an analysis |
| 21:05.05 | mwester | Assuming I have a bitbake recipe named "mwester-something-1.0+cvs.bb" -- how does one build that with the bitbake command, and how can I specify precisely what SRCDATE to fetch? |
| 21:05.43 | mickey|mdd | i'd suggest using an underscore |
| 21:07.48 | mwester | Er, yes, mistyped. More specifically, it would be "mwester-native_1.0+cvs.bb" |
| 21:08.07 | flo_lap | mickey|mdd: ok, maybe i can do this... we need a solution. |
| 21:09.40 | mickey|mdd | ya |
| 21:09.55 | mwester | ;) and no, I don't know how to build "mwester_1.0+cvs.bb" either -- nothing I've tried results bitbake actually finding the recipe and building anything. |
| 21:12.36 | flo_lap | mickey|mdd: I try to fit this in my work before OSiM, free time hacking is cancelled for renovations this month. |
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| 21:38.31 | hrw | hi |
| 21:38.44 | hrw | mwester: you can set SRCDATE in recipe itself |
| 21:47.00 | zap | Would it be possible to port maemo to Angstrom? |
| 21:56.49 | hvontres|home | mwester: would you like me to post your kecec patchec to the bt/list ? I think they would be very useful :) |
| 21:57.05 | flo_lap | zap: to some extent yes, we have some components in oe already |
| 21:57.25 | flo_lap | zap: but only a few are up to date |
| 22:02.43 | RP | mwester: bitbake mwester-native should do the job... |
| 22:06.38 | flo_lap | mr_nice: I would expect it to work with the default keylaunchrc now. |
| 22:09.12 | mr_nice | flo_lap: ? |
| 22:10.15 | mr_nice | flo_lap: with xmodmap.simpad changed to 116? |
| 22:12.07 | flo_lap | mr_nice: yes |
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| 22:14.21 | mr_nice | flo_lap: I have tryed this allready without success. but I will try it now a second |
| 22:19.11 | flo_lap | mr_nice: how does your keylaunchrc look like? |
| 22:21.43 | mr_nice | flo_lap: http://pastebin.ca/678380 |
| 22:26.10 | CIA-17 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra2c72b19... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): images: Remove bogus PREFERRED_PROVIDERs (they don't work in .bb files) |
| 22:26.41 | flo_lap | mr_nice: eeks! # |
| 22:26.41 | flo_lap | *** glibc detected *** keylaunch: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0001ab11 *** |
| 22:26.41 | flo_lap | # |
| 22:26.41 | flo_lap | Aborted |
| 22:27.47 | flo_lap | mr_nice: I see, this won't work |
| 22:32.52 | flo_lap | ~lart keylaunch |
| 22:32.52 | ibot | offers keylaunch some herring |
| 22:32.54 | mr_nice | flo_lap: do you have any Idea what I can do to make it work? |
| 22:33.00 | mr_nice | flo_lap: I could write a low level demon for it which would be x11 independent. |
| 22:33.34 | mr_nice | flo_lap: but I have no clue if this is a good idea |
| 22:34.09 | flo_lap | mr_nice: that would be an idea, but i'm not sure if it is easy to handle some events before they are passed to x |
| 22:35.16 | flo_lap | mr_nice: try what happens if you clear your keylaunchrc and remove all these lines handling keys that are not defined. |
| 22:35.56 | mr_nice | flo_lap: the power buttons driver is gpio key which is only used for power button. I can read out the /dev/ file and block the driver. |
| 22:37.22 | flo_lap | that could handle hinge sensor input too |
| 22:37.31 | mr_nice | flo_lap: ok I will write such a daemon |
| 22:38.05 | flo_lap | :-) |
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| 22:38.30 | mr_nice | flo_lap: simpads switches driver is evdev based |
| 22:38.49 | mr_nice | ups I meant RP |
| 22:39.21 | RP | mr_nice: Add simpad support to zaurusd, it should have everything you need for the hinge sensor ;-) |
| 22:39.34 | flo_lap | hehe |
| 22:39.38 | RP | A power button daemon would be nice too... |
| 22:40.39 | mr_nice | I will write such a daemon. basically I have halv of the code already developt for my thumbscript userspace driver |
| 22:41.46 | mr_nice | I should take a look at zaurusd as well |
| 22:42.41 | RP | mr_nice: Please do since there is a ready made switch event daemon there already |
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| 23:33.48 | CIA-17 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r4ab5dc0f... 10/ (1 classes/package_ipk.bbclass): package_ipk.bbclass: Sync with poky for locking, code to add package_write_ipk task (not activated yet), change OE: field to use PN (not P), cleanups and conf and index generation functions |
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| 23:45.54 | mr_nice | ok the power off daemon is comlete for simpad |
| 23:46.02 | mr_nice | and works well |
| 23:46.12 | mr_nice | I will upload the source now |
| 23:46.43 | RP | mickey|mdd: Did the splash screen issue with the /dev entries get fixed? |
| 23:46.56 | mickey|mdd | through what? |
| 23:47.19 | RP | mickey|mdd: I don't know, I just mean is it still broken? |
| 23:47.27 | mickey|mdd | i mean, did anything do anything to it? |
| 23:47.43 | mickey|mdd | i have no idea, i reverted your patch on buildhost. i can build again tomorrow and have a look |
| 23:48.19 | RP | It went quiet, I just wondered if that meant it was fixed :} |
| 23:48.48 | RP | mickey|mdd: meta-toolchain in OE is near identical to the one in poky now btw |
| 23:48.54 | mickey|mdd | great! |
| 23:48.56 | mickey|mdd | thanks a lot |
| 23:49.03 | mickey|mdd | does that package up bin now? |
| 23:49.10 | mickey|mdd | probably, i'll try as well tomorrow |
| 23:50.02 | RP | mickey|mdd: It doesn't work by packaging up bin, it builds a separate new compiler which can be installed in a specific location |
| 23:50.35 | RP | mickey|mdd: The specific location being SDK_PREFIX in bitbake.conf. Poky uses /usr/local/poky |
| 23:50.36 | mickey|mdd | ya, i know, but the last tar was missing bin |
| 23:50.58 | RP | This should work better... |
| 23:51.01 | mickey|mdd | cool |
| 23:51.08 | mickey|mdd | it's still not relocatable though, right? |
| 23:51.19 | RP | Sadly not |
| 23:52.20 | RP | mickey|mdd: If you want to ASSUME_PROVIDED this toolchain, you need the other half of the magic in the form of poky-external-toolchain.bb |
| 23:52.30 | mickey|mdd | ok |
| 23:52.41 | mickey|mdd | most important is standalone now |
| 23:52.44 | mickey|mdd | (for me) |
| 23:52.59 | RP | If OE can use it, it works standalone too :) |
| 23:53.07 | mickey|mdd | how do we proceed with different sdk's based on that |
| 23:53.13 | mickey|mdd | do we include and then add packages? |
| 23:54.07 | RP | If you look at the file, it sets TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK ?=. If the distro overrides that to its own SDK task it should be customisable |
| 23:54.44 | RP | You also have TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK but I doubt people will need to touch that one |
| 23:55.48 | mickey|mdd | excellent _) |
| 23:59.35 | RP | Note that I've tried not to change any behaviours in the commits so far. There are some behaviour changes we should enable at some point. I guess I'd better mail the list about that... |