| 00:01.22 | koen | It seems like the plan lennert and I made worked |
| 00:01.56 | koen | get EABI working, build debian, tell the world, laugh at aleph1 |
| 00:05.18 | likewise | koen: ever been to the IJssculpturen, or something similar? |
| 00:05.41 | koen | likewise: not that I can remember |
| 00:06.08 | koen | can we start calling debian "OE derived" now? |
| 00:06.47 | likewise | koen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/piair/338325275/in/photostream/ |
| 00:07.10 | likewise | koen: at least debian arm I guess... |
| 00:07.10 | koen | nice |
| 00:07.59 | likewise | koen: up to 4 feb in ehv, it's nice to see once. pack your muts as well (well, it's not windy inside the tent... but it helps) |
| 00:09.52 | likewise | koen: I expect this lady's boobies to be melted due to people touching them: http://www.flickr.com/photos/piair/338328815/in/photostream/ |
| 00:15.11 | koen | heh |
| 00:18.22 | RP | koen: Cool, a few of us get a mention :) |
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| 00:44.49 | likewise | good nite all |
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| 02:33.47 | JustinP | RP: I've found some problems with either zaurusd or the kernel |
| 02:35.31 | JustinP | RP: 1) the headphone callback is called when the hinge is pressed |
| 02:36.00 | JustinP | RP: 2) inserting my CE-RH2 remote does not cause the headphone callback to be called (while inserting my headphones does) |
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| 03:17.35 | JustinP | RP: 2a) the plug isn't detected at all as when 1) happens my headphones get turned off :-/ |
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| 04:53.53 | luke-jr | JustinP: I'm trying to get a Freeciv game going |
| 04:56.51 | JustinP | luke-jr: I'm playing FFXII |
| 04:57.31 | luke-jr | lame |
| 04:57.37 | JustinP | lame? |
| 04:57.40 | JustinP | vs Freeciv? |
| 04:57.50 | luke-jr | yes |
| 04:57.58 | luke-jr | FFXII is proprietary!! |
| 04:58.24 | JustinP | ah |
| 04:58.32 | JustinP | well, freeciv is based on a proprietary game |
| 04:58.44 | JustinP | all proprietary things are not bad |
| 04:58.48 | luke-jr | no more than Linux is based on a proprietary OS |
| 04:58.51 | luke-jr | yes they are |
| 05:12.51 | emte | how is FFXII propritary? |
| 05:13.30 | emte | works in PS2, PS3, XP, OSX, and apperently Vista |
| 05:14.46 | chouimat|Zzzz | huh? |
| 05:15.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | FFXII as in final fantasy 12? good? |
| 05:16.13 | emte | not played it myself |
| 05:16.26 | emte | dont have drives bige enough |
| 05:16.30 | emte | big* |
| 05:17.13 | chouimat|Zzzz | emte: I just remember the first ones in dos ,... |
| 05:17.40 | emte | dos? its all about nintendo :) |
| 05:18.13 | emte | the two new ones need ~40Gb |
| 05:18.57 | JustinP | PS2 for me |
| 05:19.21 | luke-jr | emte: that's "portable", not "proprietary" |
| 05:20.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | emte: the released some on pc |
| 05:21.11 | emte | chouimat|Zzzz, yeah, it needs ~40Gb for any platform |
| 05:22.40 | emte | wouldnt mind trying FFonline |
| 05:25.13 | chouimat|Zzzz | emte: hehe ... I just want to spend more time with nat but she's has to get thru her divorce and this weekend spend time with her kids so ... I can understand ;) |
| 05:25.49 | emte | yeah, no time for games myself |
| 05:26.22 | emte | too much of a course load and two prototypes to get out the door + real life |
| 05:27.58 | chouimat|Zzzz | hehe ... I'm suprised she want to be with a geek like me since she;s older than me (ok 3 years older) and she allready got 4 kids ... |
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| 05:30.22 | luke-jr | only 4? |
| 05:30.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | luke-jr: :) |
| 05:30.46 | chouimat|Zzzz | anyway I'm off ... need to sleep |
| 05:59.35 | summatusmentis | JustinP: are you around? |
| 05:59.58 | JustinP | summatusmentis: yes |
| 06:01.30 | summatusmentis | what was the thing I needed to add to my local.conf to bypass the building of qemu, and use the version I have installed on my system? |
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| 06:05.03 | JustinP | summatusmentis: ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" |
| 06:05.08 | JustinP | but you don't even need ot use qemu |
| 06:05.19 | JustinP | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 06:05.46 | summatusmentis | the second will negate the need for the first? |
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| 06:47.53 | rwhitby-treo | everyone seen the openmoko announcement? |
| 06:48.51 | rwhitby-treo | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html |
| 07:03.25 | JustinP | summatusmentis: yes |
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| 08:39.12 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:41.29 | hvontres|home | koen: morning :) |
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| 08:46.24 | hvontres|home | Anybody know what CoreDump is up to? I haven't seen him active in over a month |
| 08:47.55 | luke-jr | OpenMoko is an actual company?? |
| 08:48.04 | koen | luke-jr: yes |
| 08:48.10 | luke-jr | using OE? nice |
| 08:49.48 | gremlin[it] | morning all |
| 08:52.52 | hvontres|home | night all :) |
| 09:13.42 | gremlin[it] | mhhh seem like your work on ep93xx ?!?!? |
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| 09:19.19 | gremlin[it] | koen i don't understand the IOP devel board was donated to you ? or who ? |
| 09:20.07 | koen | ADS and intel donated the hardware |
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| 09:37.44 | gremlin[it] | koen, so u have that board now ? |
| 09:37.54 | koen | no, lennert has those boards |
| 09:38.11 | koen | I just have the ep93xx that [g2] donated |
| 09:38.25 | gremlin[it] | yop .. lennert was working on IOP ... |
| 09:38.54 | gremlin[it] | you know if lennert will be at FOSDEM ? |
| 09:43.57 | koen | last I heard lennert was boycotting fosdem due to that MVista dude being in the organization |
| 09:45.14 | gremlin[it] | ouch :( |
| 09:46.20 | koen | yeah, especially since lennert promised to pay by beers at fosdem :) |
| 09:49.08 | gremlin[it] | ahahaha :) |
| 09:49.55 | gremlin[it] | i have to try again (3rd time) to contacy kontron to have a starterkit of it's xscape 80219 board ;) |
| 09:51.32 | gremlin[it] | and i have to change work :( ... |
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| 10:17.16 | RP | morning all |
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| 10:18.53 | JustinP | RP: morning |
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| 10:20.12 | JustinP | RP: did you see my messages earlier? |
| 10:21.17 | RP | JustinP: Yes, although I didn't entirely understand them |
| 10:22.19 | JustinP | RP: ok, problem 1 is that the headphone insertion check isn't working correctly if I insert my CE-RH2 audio remote |
| 10:22.49 | mickeyl | morning |
| 10:22.50 | JustinP | RP: zaurusd happily turns off the headphone jack even though I have it plugged into the audio jack |
| 10:23.46 | RP | hi mickeyl |
| 10:24.02 | JustinP | RP: problem 2 is that the zaurusd callback which does the turning off/on of the headphone jack seems to be called when the hinge button is pressed (i.e. when switching to portrait mode or closing the Z) causing my headphone jack to be turned off due to problem 1 |
| 10:24.53 | JustinP | I'd like your opinion on whether these sound like zaurusd issues or kernel issues so that I can debug them. |
| 10:25.28 | RP | JustinP: It sounds like a hardware problem. The remote isn't triggering the jack detection and zaurusd is therefore acting like there is nothing plugged in |
| 10:27.26 | JustinP | RP: sorry, I neglected to mention that the jack detection works fine with just a headphone plug. It is only not working with the CE-RH2.... |
| 10:27.57 | RP | JustinP: Yes, that means the remote has some special design that doesn't trigger the switch on the zaurus for some reason |
| 10:28.17 | RP | By hardware problem, I mean the remote is special somehow |
| 10:28.56 | JustinP | so it's different and possibly fixable but you're not sure how? or it is simply not triggering "the switch" and can't be fixed? |
| 10:29.54 | RP | You can do anything in software. Presumably the remote control driver needs to detect the remote control and then override the events spitzkbd is passing to userspace |
| 10:30.37 | JustinP | ok |
| 10:30.47 | JustinP | I'll see what I can figure out then |
| 10:31.08 | JustinP | also, is the hinge key supposed to trigger a headphone test? |
| 10:31.29 | JustinP | or is this something I'm perhaps breaking with my driver? |
| 10:32.15 | RP | JustinP: Any switch event get passed to the userspace apps as a bitfield of the switch status |
| 10:32.27 | JustinP | ok |
| 10:32.52 | JustinP | I guess I'll look into it to see what the granularity is...perhaps it's just that the detection is failing and a bit is flipped |
| 10:33.08 | JustinP | time for me to go to bed....after 2AM |
| 10:33.20 | JustinP | RP: thanks, I should have a more cleaned up driver soon |
| 10:33.26 | RP | JustinP: I suspect its just the bit being set incorrectly,,, |
| 10:33.54 | RP | JustinP: Once you have a more cleaned up version, let me know and I'll take another look and comment |
| 10:33.59 | RP | JustinP: 'night! |
| 10:34.04 | JustinP | no problem :-) |
| 10:36.02 | koen | hey RP |
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| 11:13.04 | koen | mickeyl: o-hand is working on hal, which should be beneficial to OE soon :) |
| 11:13.14 | mickeyl | nice |
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| 12:17.36 | trithemius | Am looking for a hand - trying to get a base oe set up (openzaurus for starters) but ipkg-native is failing. |
| 12:17.52 | trithemius | It's invoking make, but not putting a makefile anywhere to work with.. |
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| 12:30.59 | do13 | morning all |
| 12:31.14 | koen | hey Dirk |
| 12:31.24 | do13 | hi koen |
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| 12:41.00 | zecke | trithemius: have you followed the getting started stuff? |
| 12:41.53 | zecke | trithemius: also make yourself familiar with pastebin |
| 12:41.53 | zecke | ~pastebin |
| 12:42.05 | ibot | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 12:42.06 | trithemius | Following the getting started like a fiend, yes. ;-) Will look up pastebin. |
| 12:42.06 | koen | hey zecke |
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| 12:44.53 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 12:45.16 | koen | hey ade|desk |
| 12:45.55 | trithemius | http://pastebin.com/863519 |
| 12:46.05 | trithemius | Handy, that. |
| 12:46.49 | zecke | trithemius: interesting. is only the Makefile missing? or did you run out of spacE? |
| 12:47.27 | trithemius | Tons of space. There just doesn't seem to be any sources or Makefile. |
| 12:47.27 | koen | zecke: since when does ipkg have a 1.0 release? |
| 12:50.16 | zecke | koen: good question :) |
| 12:50.51 | koen | sounds like reiserfs mangles some files |
| 12:50.57 | mickeyl | guess someone tried to build a .inc ? |
| 12:51.03 | mickeyl | or something |
| 12:51.36 | koen | zecke: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html |
| 12:52.16 | trithemius | This was all pulled/updated per instructions, hour or two ago. |
| 12:53.37 | zecke | koen: I think I read it |
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| 12:53.50 | zecke | koen: well done |
| 12:56.41 | zecke | koen: have you ever talked to martin guy? |
| 12:57.26 | koen | zecke: I have a lot of "OE sucks" type of mails in my inbox |
| 12:57.53 | koen | zecke: lennert has received emails in a similar spirit |
| 12:58.02 | koen | as has riku |
| 12:58.13 | koen | which is why lennert decided to do his own port |
| 13:00.36 | zecke | trithemius: so for some reason you have a ipkg-native 1.0 which we don't believe exists in this part of the solarsystem |
| 13:01.31 | trithemius | zecko: Neat. Why's it in OE? ;-) |
| 13:03.15 | zecke | feel free to pastebin your local.conf |
| 13:06.13 | trithemius | zecke: Done - http://pastebin.com/863525 |
| 13:20.09 | zecke | koen: please install curl on ltg |
| 13:21.05 | zecke | trithemius: your BBFILES is wrong |
| 13:21.10 | koen | zecke: done |
| 13:21.28 | zecke | koen: I hope handhelds.org is not blocked from within ltg? |
| 13:22.41 | trithemius | Doah! .bb missing from end. Got it. |
| 13:23.37 | trithemius | Aah, that'd explain why it was running way faster than I remembered.. I was all impressed. ;-) |
| 13:23.58 | trithemius | Things really do tend to go fast when you don't give them too much data to work on. |
| 13:24.40 | zecke | * vs. *.bb you gave it more data and bitbake is really faster |
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| 13:28.44 | trithemius | zecke: Much thanks for pointing that out - have been staring at it for a while and didn't see it. |
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| 14:03.10 | koen | zecke: curl has been installed |
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| 14:04.01 | zecke | koen: I know |
| 14:04.30 | zecke | I moved some trees |
| 14:04.42 | koen | bonsai trees? |
| 14:04.59 | zecke | git ones |
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| 14:37.17 | sirfred | Good afternoon |
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| 14:39.55 | zecke | sirfred: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/git/olpc/sugar/lib/src/sugar-browser.cpp |
| 14:42.34 | sirfred | zecke: What is this conceptually? A GtkWidget embedding a QtWidget or something so? |
| 14:44.32 | sirfred | zecke: I find this similar of what the gtksdl project does, but, how does it relates with GtkSocket? |
| 14:45.09 | zecke | sirfred: it is using GtkSocket |
| 14:45.55 | sirfred | zecke: Oh, I see. |
| 14:46.25 | koen | hey sirfred |
| 14:46.59 | sirfred | zecke: I will give it a deeper look as soon as I have some time. But so, the idea is to create a widget able to embed a SDL window. |
| 14:47.05 | sirfred | koen: Hello |
| 14:47.24 | sirfred | And it should work for any SDL app |
| 14:50.25 | zecke | (*) if libSDL implements the XEmbed protocol |
| 14:50.59 | zecke | later all, it is time to implement CrackFS |
| 14:56.59 | sirfred | Do you know what package includes intltoolize in a debian based distribution? |
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| 14:57.29 | koen | sirfred: intltool |
| 14:57.45 | sirfred | koen: thanks |
| 14:57.47 | likewise | morning. everybody knows the iphone has the xscale proc. no further news? |
| 14:58.11 | koen | likewise: only the debian thing, but you already know that :) |
| 14:58.25 | koen | sirfred: when in doubt I use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ :) |
| 14:58.26 | likewise | oh yes, that's why I slept so good last night, I guess :-) |
| 14:58.51 | sirfred | koen: I expected to find it using apt-cache search |
| 14:59.05 | koen | apt-get build-deps <foo> usually works as well |
| 14:59.32 | sirfred | koen: I'm just trying to build libgpewidget, the first time |
| 15:02.28 | mickeyl | who is claiming the iphone uses an xscale? |
| 15:03.05 | koen | mickeyl: some news site |
| 15:03.47 | mickeyl | hmm... i heard different things |
| 15:04.07 | mickeyl | bbiab, dinner |
| 15:04.30 | likewise | mickeyl: source is Dario Bucci, some Intel division's director in Italy. |
| 15:04.47 | koen | for news sites xscale and omap is the same |
| 15:05.06 | likewise | koen: yes, there is an 'a' in both names |
| 15:05.07 | Crofton | mickeyl, what fo you think it uses? |
| 15:05.12 | Crofton | omap? |
| 15:05.33 | psokolovsky_ | I bet on iphone and strongarm, lol |
| 15:17.47 | sirfred | Trying to compile gpe from svn repository, I'm getting errors when runninng autoreconf, like 'ENABLE_GTK_DOC does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL' and 'GTK_DOC_USE_LIBTOOL does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL'. autoreconf eventually fails complaining about automake returning 1 |
| 15:19.04 | koen | sirfred: do you have gtk-doc(-dev) installed? |
| 15:19.25 | sirfred | koen: I have libgtk-2.0-doc |
| 15:19.32 | sirfred | libgtk2.0-doc even |
| 15:19.56 | sirfred | Also libgtk2.0-dev |
| 15:20.20 | sirfred | koen: You mean a libgtk2.0-doc-dev package ? |
| 15:20.39 | koen | no, gtk-doc |
| 15:21.19 | sirfred | koen: Yes, I have both. I see that ENABLE_GTK_DOC does not appear in any AM_CONDITIONAL in configure.ac. Where is it expected to be? |
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| 15:26.24 | sirfred | autotools are black magic |
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| 15:33.02 | sirfred | Bye |
| 15:37.05 | CIA-19 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r81ef5646... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/h4000/defconfig): linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.19: Update h4000's defconfig. |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-19 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2013dc89... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-19 | opie-users-are-too-stupid-to-put-this-in-local.conf.inc: Remove superceded file. |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-19 | Instructions for building OPIE with angstrom's config are detailed at |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-19 | http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpieWithAngstrom . |
| 15:38.08 | koen | heh |
| 15:38.17 | koen | "To build OPIE with Angstrom, you need to add following lines to your local.conf:" |
| 15:38.31 | koen | we have already proven that that is too hard |
| 15:39.34 | Crofton | users suck |
| 15:40.48 | psokolovsky_ | koen, well, we had issue that it wasn't clear where such page fits, that was the issue. now that it's settled, people can be given that link instead of long talks, period |
| 15:41.32 | Crofton | Sometimes I wonder how Linus has survived this long doing open source work :) |
| 15:42.03 | koen | psokolovsky_: add a few more 'unsupported' to that page |
| 15:42.17 | psokolovsky_ | he has lash for users |
| 15:42.23 | Crofton | :) |
| 15:42.30 | Crofton | cluebat |
| 15:42.31 | psokolovsky_ | koen, is it really required? ;-)) |
| 15:42.56 | koen | yes |
| 15:43.28 | Crofton | If you acquire enough "users" eventually you acquire one or two "good users" who start doing support |
| 15:43.47 | Crofton | the problem is acquiring enough with out going insane |
| 15:48.19 | koen | cbrake: both should work |
| 15:48.28 | koen | cbrake: if it doesn't, it's a bug :) |
| 15:48.44 | cbrake | koen: hmm, DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS does not seem to be working, but I'm still digging into it. |
| 15:49.48 | cbrake | BB>> peek task-base DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 15:49.48 | cbrake | update-modules module-init-tools modutils-initscripts sysvinit initscripts sysvinit-pidof psplash netbase dropbear angstrom-version ipkg ipkg-collateral util-linux-mount util-linux-umount tslib-tests tslib-calibrate gdb strace procps |
| 15:50.20 | cbrake | koen: I have it set with a += assignment in my local.conf, but it looks like nothing from local.conf is in the variable. |
| 15:51.32 | cbrake | koen: ahh, its set in angstrom-2007.1.conf. I've never quite figured out what happens if multiple conf files set a variable. How is the order determined? |
| 15:51.53 | koen | via bitbake.conf |
| 15:52.00 | koen | but I'm pushing a fix right now :) |
| 15:52.34 | cbrake | koen: thx :-) |
| 15:54.32 | cbrake | ok, so local.conf vars get overwritten by machine and distro conf files |
| 15:55.53 | koen | if those distro's and machines aren't carefull, yes |
| 15:56.43 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r69802b5f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007.1: make DISTRO_EXTRA_DEPENDS appendable in local.conf |
| 15:58.39 | koen | psplash from poky :) |
| 15:58.39 | Crofton | how suitable is angstrom for machines without displays? |
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| 15:58.50 | koen | Crofton: very suitable |
| 15:59.14 | Crofton | I'm using angstrom on EFIKA and the image seemed "large" |
| 15:59.16 | koen | all graphic stuff is guarded by M<ACHINE_FEATURES = 'screen' |
| 15:59.27 | Crofton | I need to try a clean build and see if it is me addding crap |
| 15:59.34 | koen | Crofton: DISTRO_TYPE=debug includes gdb, strace, etc |
| 15:59.35 | Crofton | ok |
| 15:59.41 | psokolovsky | koen, done ;-) |
| 15:59.46 | cbrake | koen: customer should be impressed :-) |
| 16:00.14 | koen | cbrake: the logo is a .h file which can be replaced |
| 16:00.24 | koen | cbrake: iirc the instructions are in the .bb file somewhere |
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| 16:02.46 | psokolovsky | koen, also, as was noticed by people previously, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ talks about faq, but there doesn't appear to be any faq. Time to start one? |
| 16:10.05 | koen | yeah |
| 16:11.23 | psokolovsky | ok, I'll start AngstromFaq in wiki and stuff few q's there |
| 16:32.49 | cbrake | is there any way to get an rss feed from the linuxtogo wiki? |
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| 16:58.02 | summatusmentis | urgh, does anyone know if the .dev tree version of e-wm compiles correctly? has anyone had success? |
| 16:58.12 | hrw | hi |
| 16:58.26 | hrw | koen: can you EXPORT your gpg key to keyservers? |
| 16:58.55 | Crofton | My first youtube video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcPgQJSXf54 |
| 17:02.10 | greentux_ | somebody knows that device: http://buytoughpc.com/panasonic_p1gprs.html |
| 17:02.15 | greentux_ | ? |
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| 17:06.01 | koen | hrw: like http://minsky.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x324C8633AE111A91 ? |
| 17:07.03 | hrw | koen: I checked 5 keyservers today |
| 17:07.29 | hrw | ok. go ti |
| 17:07.31 | hrw | it |
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| 17:10.16 | hrw | koen: nice theme on blog |
| 17:11.43 | cbrake | ahh, gtk 2.10 depends on cups |
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| 17:31.00 | koen | cbrake: build-time, the runtime dep is only for the printing module |
| 17:32.16 | koen | hrw: cheers on the contract :) |
| 17:32.43 | koen | hrw: does that make haerwu double blessed? |
| 17:33.39 | hrw | koen: good queston ;D |
| 17:34.07 | hrw | koen: I wondered who will react first |
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| 17:38.04 | koen | can you can what you will be working on, or is that still secret? |
| 17:40.26 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7d1d7b4e... 10/ (1 packages/hal/hal_0.5.8.1.bb): hal: add intltoon to DEPENDS |
| 17:43.28 | hrw | koen: still ;D |
| 17:44.16 | koen | now I can poke 2 people for merging poky stuff :) |
| 17:45.02 | Crofton | is the openmoko phone GSM? |
| 17:45.07 | hrw | Crofton: yes |
| 17:45.45 | Crofton | so I can take my Cingular SIMM and put it in an openmoko phone and it works in the US? |
| 17:45.59 | koen | yes |
| 17:45.59 | summatusmentis | oh really? bummer |
| 17:46.09 | Crofton | excellent |
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| 18:00.10 | koen | mickeyl: pulse-audio looks like a winner for audiorouting |
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| 18:01.12 | mickeyl | indeed. until i read the slides i was tempted to just go for alsa dmix, but I will reconsider this ... |
| 18:01.45 | koen | and you can disable libsamplerate via a config file (/etc/pulse/daemon.conf) |
| 18:02.48 | koen | although I don't know how to fit in zaurusd |
| 18:03.19 | koen | probably via hal |
| 18:04.47 | koen | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky?rev=1179&view=rev |
| 18:08.05 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r762eb1e6... 10/ (1 packages/hal/hal_0.5.8.1.bb): hal: add udev to DEPENDS as well to get libvolume_id in staging |
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| 18:20.09 | Crofton | This should adapt a CF card to EFIKA, correct? |
| 18:20.10 | Crofton | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170063469251&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNASIF:US:12 |
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| 18:21.43 | koen | Crofton: looks like the right thing |
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| 19:22.24 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rba21ca39... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): prism3-suppot: fix error in load script |
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| 19:27.49 | bwalle | I have a question about the OE build system: when it builds the image for the target, it installs all .deb / .ipk files using a native dpkg / ipkg |
| 19:28.08 | bwalle | what does it if the deb contains scripts that should be run (such as 'ldconfig')? |
| 19:28.23 | koen | it runs those scripts |
| 19:29.06 | koen | but most of those scripts do: |
| 19:29.08 | koen | if [ "x$D" != "x" ]; then |
| 19:29.08 | koen | exit 1 |
| 19:29.23 | koen | which means the script errors out and will be run again on the device |
| 19:30.17 | bwalle | koen: thanks |
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| 20:14.25 | JustinP | RP: asleep? |
| 20:14.41 | JustinP | anyone else around who knows what all of these GPIO's mean? |
| 20:24.06 | JustinP | or rather, what they're connected to |
| 20:24.15 | JustinP | I see some that aren't being used at all... |
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| 20:48.27 | Crofton | koen, do you need a picopsu for your efika? |
| 20:49.26 | koen | Crofton: that's dc-dc? |
| 20:49.33 | Crofton | yeah |
| 20:49.58 | Crofton | I am going to order some soon |
| 20:50.04 | koen | no, no 12v here |
| 20:50.09 | Crofton | likewise wants a few |
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| 20:51.00 | Crofton | http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-60-WI;jsessionid=ac112b321f436c8c634ea3874321b002d63424efc268.e3eSc38TaNqNe3uQchyMbh8Ta41ynknvrkLOlQzNp65In0?sc=8&category=13 |
| 20:51.11 | Crofton | you could get 12v from a standard PS I think |
| 20:54.11 | koen | that still means I need a psu :) |
| 20:55.03 | Crofton | yeah :) |
| 20:55.13 | Crofton | I have some 12 v supplies around |
| 20:55.23 | Crofton | I suspect (for the efika) you could use a wall wart |
| 20:55.46 | Crofton | I am going to get a wide range one so I can run of a battery if nedded |
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| 20:57.30 | Crofton | speak of the devil! |
| 20:57.54 | Crofton | likewise, you want three of the 120 and one of the wide input 60w picopsu's? |
| 20:58.37 | likewise | Crofton: yes please god. |
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| 20:59.35 | likewise | you ordering stuff now? |
| 20:59.42 | Crofton | soon |
| 21:02.00 | Crofton | need anything else? I am also looking at getting some cf to ide adapters fro $12 each |
| 21:02.50 | Crofton | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170063469251&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 21:02.57 | Crofton | make that 13usd |
| 21:03.02 | Crofton | ~change 13usd to eur |
| 21:03.19 | Crofton | ~change 13 usd to eur |
| 21:04.15 | likewise | Crofton: one of those, yes please. |
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| 21:05.09 | Crofton | ok, checking on shipping, hopefully someone is awake this afternoon :) |
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| 21:06.04 | likewise | Crofton: that's only 75 cents more expensive than at its European design house pcengines.ch (in Switserland). |
| 21:09.55 | Crofton | hmm |
| 21:12.47 | Crofton | do you want me to get you one of the cf to ide adapters, or will you get one locally? |
| 21:14.20 | likewise | Crofton: please one. Locally they are much more expensiev |
| 21:14.28 | Crofton | ok |
| 21:14.31 | likewise | e<>v |
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| 21:37.48 | CIA-19 | 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r17282683... 10/ (1 packages/mythtv/mythtv_0.20.bb): mythtv: Added commented-out patch. Maintainer please consider. |
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| 21:42.15 | koen | likewise: I got mythtv almost to compile for arm |
| 21:42.39 | koen | likewise: I need to fixup libavcodec, but I don't think that will be much work |
| 21:42.47 | JustinP | koen: :-) cool |
| 21:42.55 | likewise | koen: nice work, for what target? |
| 21:43.19 | likewise | koen: I mean, where will you run it on? |
| 21:43.29 | koen | likewise: nowhere, just playing |
| 21:43.45 | likewise | koen: ep9312 has vga out? |
| 21:44.17 | koen | it has |
| 21:44.21 | koen | no 2.6 driver, though |
| 21:50.33 | GregorR | Very cool, could modify a set-top box running ProprietOS into a MythTV box :) |
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| 21:52.16 | likewise | koen: guinness.conf has #require tune-athlon commented out, good reasons for that? |
| 21:52.58 | koen | likewise: tune-athlon needs to set the correct arch (athlon) |
| 21:53.15 | koen | since it enables 3dnow, 3dnow2, sse, etc |
| 21:53.28 | koen | which I why I have that mythtv enables mmx |
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| 21:54.34 | likewise | koen: I am trying to base off a core 2 duo machine. TARGET_ARCH must match the GCC's -march option? |
| 21:54.51 | koen | ehm.... |
| 22:03.36 | likewise | From grepping for it, guess not. |
| 22:13.07 | hrw | koen: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html |
| 22:14.13 | koen | hrw: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/arm-eabi-fame :) |
| 22:14.19 | hrw | I know your post |
| 22:16.15 | koen | hrw: pretty nice PR for OE and angstrom |
| 22:16.39 | likewise | koen: right in time for fosdem |
| 22:17.01 | hrw | koen: too bad that none of them was mentioned at end (Avability section) |
| 22:17.52 | hrw | koen: write good About page on Angstrom homepage |
| 22:18.32 | hrw | koen: then write base version, send it to angstrom-devel |
| 22:20.20 | hrw | koen: and linuxdevices does not even mention angstrom |
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| 22:40.46 | B_Lizzard | Can someone tell me what GPE uses for sound? |
| 22:41.02 | B_Lizzard | I know OPIE uses QSS, but what can be used in X? |
| 22:41.56 | koen | alsa, oss, esound, pulse-audio, arts, jack, etc |
| 22:42.14 | B_Lizzard | Ah, I forgot to say that ALSA doesn't work |
| 22:42.26 | B_Lizzard | I need something that uses /dev/dsp directly |
| 22:42.32 | B_Lizzard | oss doesn't exist |
| 22:42.36 | B_Lizzard | In OE |
| 22:43.00 | B_Lizzard | Will esound work for applications that support esd? |
| 22:44.16 | koen | esound == esd |
| 22:44.21 | B_Lizzard | aha |
| 22:44.24 | B_Lizzard | I know |
| 22:44.29 | koen | if you go that route, I'd recommend using pulseaudio |
| 22:44.40 | B_Lizzard | I'll look into it |
| 22:45.02 | B_Lizzard | Is it compliant with ALSA or OSS? |
| 22:45.31 | koen | both |
| 22:45.46 | B_Lizzard | Great, thank you very much |
| 22:45.55 | B_Lizzard | You've been a great help |
| 22:49.32 | Jin^eLD | re |
| 22:49.34 | Jin^eLD | hi everyone |
| 22:49.38 | koen | Jin^eLD: wb |
| 22:49.42 | Jin^eLD | thx |
| 22:52.46 | hrw | rfc sent |
| 22:53.50 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r15826445... 10/ (10 files in 9 dirs): lots of files: esound-gpe -> esound |
| 22:56.54 | likewise | hi Jin^eLD |
| 22:57.30 | Jin^eLD | hey likewise |
| 22:57.38 | likewise | hrw: did you build for x86_64 sometime? |
| 22:57.40 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r269ed090... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: add preferred provider for esound |
| 22:57.44 | CIA-19 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3ecc22d6... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): |
| 22:57.44 | CIA-19 | pulseaudio: provide esound |
| 22:57.44 | CIA-19 | * should be change this to virtual/esound? |
| 22:57.50 | hrw | likewise: no |
| 22:57.59 | likewise | hrw: ah, I thought you did. |
| 22:58.13 | hrw | likewise: do we have x86_64 target? I only use it as host |
| 22:58.48 | JustinP | ok....time to rewrite this embeddix crap |
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| 23:00.18 | likewise | JustinP: what stuff are you looking at? |
| 23:00.33 | doch | hi |
| 23:00.43 | likewise | hrw: no, seems we do not support x86_64 currently as the target, and it breaks awfully at it also. |
| 23:01.12 | hrw | likewise: I build {opie,gpe,bootstrap}-image from .oz354x |
| 23:01.22 | hrw | likewise: gpe/bootstrap/xfce image from .dev |
| 23:01.32 | hrw | likewise: all on amd64 in 64bit |
| 23:01.51 | likewise | hrw: ok, tnx |
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| 23:03.00 | JustinP | likewise: CE-RHx module |
| 23:03.22 | hrw | cu |
| 23:03.28 | JustinP | likewise: rewriting their crazy state machine |
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| 23:40.13 | HopsNBarley | hi Jin^eLD - i took mediatomb out for a spin yesterday. |
| 23:40.37 | Jin^eLD | :) |
| 23:40.40 | Jin^eLD | on what hardware? |
| 23:40.44 | Jin^eLD | ...did it work? :> |
| 23:40.51 | HopsNBarley | iomega storcenter. |
| 23:41.04 | HopsNBarley | (running the openprotium image) |
| 23:41.11 | RP | JustinP: hi |
| 23:41.29 | Jin^eLD | HopsNBarley: never heard of it, gotta look on the net; what CPU is it? ...and most importantly - how did it work out? :) |
| 23:41.39 | HopsNBarley | i had to adjust the build for PPC, but it did build and run okay. |
| 23:41.52 | HopsNBarley | it's a freescale 8241 at 200Mhz. |
| 23:42.07 | Jin^eLD | cool, something new - meaning - I never tested it on such hardware |
| 23:42.12 | Jin^eLD | what did you have to adjust? |
| 23:42.16 | Jin^eLD | on mediatomb side? |
| 23:42.24 | HopsNBarley | loading my test library of around 1000 sounds it would segfault after about 10 or 20 minutes of loading things into sqlite. |
| 23:42.33 | Jin^eLD | uhh... |
| 23:42.41 | HopsNBarley | it was mainly the spidermonkey build that needed work. |
| 23:42.55 | HopsNBarley | sounds ==songs, sorry. |
| 23:43.09 | Jin^eLD | which version did you use? did your version already have the atomic code for refcounting? |
| 23:44.36 | HopsNBarley | i just used the existing bitbake, which is 0.8+0,9pre-1+svn... |
| 23:45.02 | HopsNBarley | i looked at your cvs tags, and 0.8.1 is the last tag many moons ago. |
| 23:45.44 | Jin^eLD | yes, you should use the latest SVN code |
| 23:45.52 | Jin^eLD | forget about 0.8.1, it is really outdated |
| 23:46.07 | HopsNBarley | i think that's what the BB file does, it did do a SVN get. |
| 23:46.16 | Jin^eLD | oh ok |
| 23:46.37 | Jin^eLD | well, in this case its bad news for us :> the atomic code should be in there, that means the segfault comes from.. somewhere else |
| 23:46.48 | HopsNBarley | i was wondering if it was a bleeding edge problem, and was looking for an older tag... |
| 23:47.00 | Jin^eLD | there are no tags since 0.8.1... |
| 23:47.09 | HopsNBarley | what can I do to help you find the fault? build with -g ? make sure it cores? |
| 23:47.28 | Jin^eLD | yes, coredump would be very helpful, also build with --enable-tombdebug |
| 23:47.38 | HopsNBarley | got it. |
| 23:47.51 | HopsNBarley | i did notice it uses a lot of memory >100M. |
| 23:47.53 | Jin^eLD | it will print out lots of stuff then that might give us an idea what the server was doing when it fsck'd up |
| 23:48.12 | JustinP | RP: hi |
| 23:48.21 | Jin^eLD | yeees... well. we still need to look into that... the truth is - it was originally written for a PC environment |
| 23:48.27 | JustinP | RP: i'm working on rewriting the main loic of the driver right now, from scratch |
| 23:48.36 | Jin^eLD | everything C++ object oriented, reference counting - that eats up quite some memory |
| 23:48.41 | RP | JustinP: Probably easiest :) |
| 23:48.59 | JustinP | RP: I have it sending switch events for remote plugin and removal in the current code, but it's not perfect |
| 23:49.38 | Jin^eLD | HopsNBarley: later on we figured that it compiles and runs on embedded devices as well, but by that time the whole architecture was setup and it is not easy to get memory consumption under control |
| 23:49.58 | HopsNBarley | i understand. |
| 23:50.00 | JustinP | RP: I was wondering if perhaps another one of those GPIOs might have more info on insertion...or if you know where the Sharp code was doing the insertion |
| 23:50.08 | HopsNBarley | i'm rebuilding now with --enable-tombdebug. |
| 23:50.10 | Jin^eLD | HopsNBarley: would be cool if you could compile with -g, both CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS -O0 and do a backtrace on the core |
| 23:50.12 | Jin^eLD | thanks |
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| 23:50.40 | HopsNBarley | i'll check in the PPC patches for spidermonkey at some point. |
| 23:50.50 | JustinP | RP: as it is now, there are 2 different headphone insert/remove switches.... |
| 23:51.03 | RP | JustinP: The only pieces of info we have are the HP detect GPIO and the AK data line to the adc. I know for a fact we don't have any others |
| 23:51.06 | HopsNBarley | i was using 1.6, could that be aproblem? |
| 23:51.34 | Jin^eLD | HopsNBarley: did it crash in spidermonkey? does it crash if you compile and run without spidermonkey? |
| 23:51.43 | Jin^eLD | actually the spidermonkey version should not be the problem... |
| 23:51.52 | HopsNBarley | i have no idea yet where it crashed. |
| 23:51.59 | RP | JustinP: There are not two switches. There is one switch and the other is the data line from the report which connects to the ADC |
| 23:52.18 | JustinP | RP: it *looks* like the 2.4 kernel was using the remote logic to deal with inert/remove |
| 23:52.40 | RP | JustinP: If the remote doesn't trigger the usual switch, it would have to |
| 23:53.09 | JustinP | RP: what I meant was that I've implemented the same switch in the remote driver based on the keys received so now there are 2 user-land switches |
| 23:53.22 | JustinP | RP: I suppose we can figure that out once I've rewritten this thing |
| 23:54.00 | RP | JustinP: Yes, once you work out what the hardware does/doesn't do we can work it out |
| 23:54.11 | JustinP | RP: thanks, I just wanted to know if there was a possibility of more insertion data. That switch from the keyboard works great....for normal headphones..:-| I wish they'd put this thing together right. |
| 23:54.37 | RP | JustinP: You have all the data I'm afraid |
| 23:54.56 | JustinP | RP: ok. I'll let you know when I have something worth looking at. |
| 23:56.31 | doch | hi there, is the kernel sources the various distros are using just vanilla sources + patchsets? |
| 23:56.40 | doch | does anybody know that? |
| 23:57.39 | doch | oh iforgot that i mean the 2.6ers |
| 23:57.53 | doch | not the 2.4ers |
| 23:58.12 | RP | doch: Some machines use plain kernels, some are patched |
| 23:59.45 | doch | allright thancks |