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| 04:20.28 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 929, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-05-01 07:50 |
| 04:20.30 | cdbot2 | * * pb(AT)reciva.com: staged quilt scripts contain absolute path to gawk |
| 04:20.32 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 |
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| 04:26.07 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd6c00f5b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gcc 4.1.1: add patch to fix an ICE with building glibc with certain CFLAGS, if you get the ICE, you should update to binutils 2.17.50.0.5 as well |
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| 06:45.57 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1495, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-10-16 13:49 |
| 06:45.58 | cdbot2 | * * likewise(AT)gmx.net: icecc.bbclass fails to create a proper tar.bz2 file with the cross-compiler |
| 06:45.59 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1495 |
| 07:00.11 | hvontres|home | !oebug 1553 |
| 07:00.12 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1553, Status: RESOLVED, Created: 2006-11-04 00:23 |
| 07:00.13 | cdbot2 | * * hvontres(AT)sbcglobal.net: Patch to get oss volume working on poodle |
| 07:00.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 |
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| 08:21.14 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:28.23 | Ifaistos | XorA : Hi |
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| 08:30.59 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 08:46.18 | CoreDump|home | hi hrw|work |
| 08:49.32 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:53.44 | B_Lizzard | Hello |
| 08:54.15 | B_Lizzard | I would like to know if there is a clean way for bitbake not to consider some packages when building gpe-image |
| 08:54.39 | B_Lizzard | There are a couple of packages that fail for me, and that I do not consider important at this time |
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| 08:55.31 | B_Lizzard | I see that gpe-image depends upon task-gpe, but removing the said packages brings a error when building rootfs |
| 08:56.46 | B_Lizzard | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-task-pim: gpesyncd |
| 08:57.11 | B_Lizzard | Where does bitbake gets it's data for that? |
| 08:57.51 | B_Lizzard | I have already (cleanly) deleted the entry from task-gpe... |
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| 08:59.11 | emte | add them to MASK |
| 08:59.43 | B_Lizzard | In local.conf |
| 08:59.49 | B_Lizzard | ? |
| 08:59.57 | emte | yes |
| 09:00.03 | B_Lizzard | Aye, I'll try that |
| 09:00.04 | emte | ex: BBMASK = "(opie|qt|qpe)" |
| 09:00.06 | B_Lizzard | Thanks |
| 09:00.07 | B_Lizzard | Aye |
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| 09:12.14 | B_Lizzard | Nope, still get the same error |
| 09:12.22 | B_Lizzard | It isn't the cache, it was rebuilt |
| 09:12.41 | B_Lizzard | it isn't task-gpe, I have removed the entries |
| 09:17.40 | koen | adding them to BBMASK wouldn't help you a bit |
| 09:17.59 | B_Lizzard | Ah? |
| 09:18.08 | koen | since BBMASK masks them for the parser, while they keep being referenced in the task files |
| 09:18.15 | B_Lizzard | Why am I getting such an error? |
| 09:18.25 | B_Lizzard | I have removed them from the task files |
| 09:18.31 | koen | so as usual: "ignore anything emte says" |
| 09:18.36 | B_Lizzard | :) |
| 09:18.42 | koen | B_Lizzard: and you bumped PR on the tasks? |
| 09:18.53 | B_Lizzard | PR? |
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| 09:21.31 | B_Lizzard | As far as I know, I have removed all references to such packages |
| 09:21.50 | B_Lizzard | At least from the tasks referenced in gpe-image |
| 09:22.23 | koen | right, but if you don't bump PR, you still have the old task-foo.ipk in deploy referencing those packages |
| 09:23.03 | B_Lizzard | Excuse me, but I don't understand what "bump PR" means. |
| 09:23.19 | B_Lizzard | Sorry if I'm being stupid or uncooperative |
| 09:23.50 | emte | as usual "dont expect useful help from koen" |
| 09:23.58 | B_Lizzard | Might you be so kind as to explain what you mean in that? |
| 09:24.19 | B_Lizzard | You complete each other, in a way, eh? |
| 09:24.24 | B_Lizzard | emte and koen |
| 09:24.28 | B_Lizzard | :) |
| 09:24.52 | B_Lizzard | Maybe if you merge, you can be the ultimate help-bot |
| 09:25.44 | koen | I'm affraid not |
| 09:25.57 | koen | nothing can counter the cluelessness displayed by emte |
| 09:26.13 | B_Lizzard | :| |
| 09:26.33 | emte | and if you were anywhere near as unbalanced as koen you would be in a hospital |
| 09:26.55 | koen | B_Lizzard: check the task recipe and see if you find a variable called 'PR' |
| 09:27.13 | B_Lizzard | PR = "r3" |
| 09:27.15 | B_Lizzard | r4? |
| 09:27.19 | koen | yes |
| 09:27.30 | B_Lizzard | Ok, thanks |
| 09:28.17 | B_Lizzard | You could have just said revision |
| 09:28.17 | B_Lizzard | :) |
| 09:28.17 | koen | 'revision' isn't mentioned usually |
| 09:28.30 | B_Lizzard | Ok, in any case, thank you for your helpful information |
| 09:28.36 | B_Lizzard | Both of you ;) |
| 09:29.00 | koen | B_Lizzard: http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/query/description/bump%20PR/?scm_id=3 |
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| 09:29.43 | B_Lizzard | Ah, I see. I could have checked on google, as it seems |
| 09:30.10 | B_Lizzard | Well, no harm done I guess. Only a couple of broken hearts. LOVE WILL PREVAIL |
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| 09:41.02 | B_Lizzard | Ah, it all makes sense now, koen |
| 09:41.08 | B_Lizzard | It worked like a charm |
| 09:41.11 | B_Lizzard | Thanks a lot |
| 09:57.46 | Laibsch | Is bugzilla.handhelds.org still used by OE? I mean bugs in ipkg should still go there, I guess? |
| 09:59.21 | hrw|work | Laibsch: OE never used it |
| 09:59.40 | Laibsch | good morning hrw|work |
| 09:59.55 | Laibsch | Question remains where bugs in ipkg et al should go. |
| 10:02.50 | Laibsch | Ifaistos, likewise: icecc works for you? It is now horribly broken for me. The error I get is rather strange: | Error: no such file "ICECC_VERSION=/export/interim/openembedded/tmp/openzaurus/cross/ice/arm-linux-openzaurusarm-linuxhard3.4.4Rie.tar.bz2" |
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| 10:07.05 | hrw|work | Laibsch: ipkg is hh.org |
| 10:08.37 | Laibsch | So, I guess we have four bugtrackers now? http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Bugtrackers |
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| 10:11.13 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : I am having problems getting icecc to work reliably even if the distro is different i.e ubuntu and debian |
| 10:11.48 | Laibsch | Ifaistos: For me it already fails with a single computer. It completely breaks compilation after all. |
| 10:11.48 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : i am still testing "nornal" builds, havent touched OE yet |
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| 10:12.00 | Laibsch | Ifaistos: I see. |
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| 10:13.32 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : I believe we first need to set up a working icecc network and then see what happens with OE |
| 10:13.51 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : or we will not know where the problem is from |
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| 10:15.17 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Would you approve of my latest changes to http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Bugtrackers ? |
| 10:15.37 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:15.43 | Laibsch | Ifaistos: Makes sense. I thought the icecc base problems had been worked out already. |
| 10:15.59 | Laibsch | Good morning florian_kc. What do you say about current http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Bugtrackers |
| 10:21.28 | florian_kc | Laibsch: That's good... but i wonder which apps use the hh.org bugzilla. iirc this one is for familiar packages only now, |
| 10:22.47 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : btw koen yesterday checked in a bug fix, did you tried with that ? |
| 10:32.18 | zezom | I've read some where that I need to compile my kernel image for my specific device.... at the moment I'm using the hx4700 profile but I have a rx4540 device... will the hx4700 profile work for me? |
| 10:35.22 | Laibsch | Ifaistos: not sure. but I will do without icecc for now until somebody says it works at least partially for him. |
| 10:35.34 | Laibsch | florian_kc: ipkg is an example. |
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| 10:36.24 | florian_kc | Laibsch: ipkg sufferes from the same problem that gpe did untils some weeks ago: it does not have its own bugtracker. |
| 10:37.13 | Laibsch | Suffering or not. It currently is the place to report things to. BTW, did you move over gpe bugs reported in hh.org to ltg? |
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| 10:38.33 | Laibsch | What is the current QA setup? I read about bittest in the wiki. I wonder if there is any kind of process behind it like we have the bug days. Is it only zecke working on this (time permitting I guess) or are other people making a coordinated effort? |
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| 10:40.07 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcef334c7... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb): tslib: remove some more detect-stylus depends for devices that can use a recent kernel and udev to get the touchscreen0 symlink |
| 10:40.44 | likewise | morning all |
| 10:41.15 | koen | hey likewise |
| 10:41.22 | likewise | koen: hey |
| 10:43.53 | Genesis | i use device.sh :P |
| 10:48.25 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r425cf1b3... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib_1.0.bb): tslib: fix HOMEPAGE |
| 10:49.19 | ArjanS | koen: judging from your commit, the bug report was correct and my database isn't broken? |
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| 10:49.50 | koen | ArjanS: actually, no |
| 10:50.14 | koen | *something* depends on detect-stylus, but it's not xserver-kdrive |
| 10:50.35 | mickeyl | morning folks |
| 10:50.38 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 10:51.10 | mickeyl | koen: interesting blog entry. this sounds as 2.10.6 now performs better than 2.6.10 ? |
| 10:55.32 | koen | mickeyl: that still isn't the case |
| 10:55.53 | koen | mickeyl: displaying complex svgs would be a lot faster now |
| 10:56.35 | koen | mickeyl: but with the xft patch in OE and a recent cairo gtk 2.10 is not a lot slower as 2.6, but a bit |
| 10:56.55 | mickeyl | ok, fair enough. |
| 10:57.50 | koen | mickeyl: the tesselate fuction got a *thousand* times faster from 1.2.6 -> 1.3.5 |
| 10:58.03 | mickeyl | educate me... what's a tesselater anyway? |
| 10:58.04 | koen | so you can see that cairo was doing something *very* wrong in 1.2.x |
| 10:58.48 | koen | mickeyl: a tesselator breaks down the complex geometry (like bezier curves) into triangles |
| 10:59.07 | mickeyl | understood |
| 10:59.36 | koen | "of the plane is a collection of plane figures that fills the plane with no overlaps and no gaps." from wikipedia |
| 10:59.48 | koen | "A tessellation or tiling of the plane is a collection of plane figures that fills the plane with no overlaps and no gaps. " |
| 10:59.49 | koen | even |
| 11:00.34 | koen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesselate |
| 11:02.09 | Laibsch | hrw|meeting: I believe you like increasing the fixed bug count ;-) |
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| 11:10.32 | lrg | morning all |
| 11:11.25 | koen | hey Liam |
| 11:13.20 | goxboxlive | This could be an intresting application to have in OE.dev. I have tried to make it, but it failes building. http://www.umts-tools.com/ |
| 11:14.06 | likewise | koen: so you are sure the speed upgrade is not bogus? (there was still doubt on the cairo list)? |
| 11:14.48 | koen | likewise: the speed upgrade isn't bogus, but I do share the doubts of the thousandfold increase |
| 11:15.36 | likewise | koen: some ppl reported that various different runs produced very different results. Well, we will soon see. The overall progress is *good*! |
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| 11:34.46 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : well the good news is that x86_64 can compile using i686, the bad news is that it takes all the compile requests... |
| 11:35.57 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : for some reason i have not figured out is shows a load of 16 to icecc while the i686 machines show a load of 1000 |
| 11:36.41 | Laibsch | Ifaistos: Load of 1000? Puh! Never got above ~20ish |
| 11:39.44 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : actually this is icecc's unit of mesurment to see if a machine can accepts another compile job. And in the case of the i686 machines is wrong... as they are idle |
| 11:40.14 | Ifaistos | Laibsch : looking at icecc code to see how it computes that at the moment |
| 11:49.53 | XorA | crazy Ipaq users, just got an email asking me to enable win32 support. |
| 11:50.02 | XorA | in mplayer |
| 11:50.39 | ade|desk | XorA: lol |
| 11:51.23 | ade|desk | no qemu-i386 on your ipaq then ? |
| 11:52.40 | koen | Laibsch: I see that my idea to enable utf8 in bugzilla worked out :) |
| 11:52.59 | harrydg | is there a GPS software for linux? |
| 11:53.09 | koen | gpsd, gpsbabel, etc |
| 11:53.15 | Laibsch | koen: Thanks for that. Not the first time I use it though. |
| 11:53.20 | harrydg | and routeplanners? |
| 11:53.22 | koen | ~google gps linux |
| 11:53.28 | harrydg | tnx |
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| 11:57.42 | harrydg | i can't find any software like tomtom or so ... positions, roadmaps, but no garmin/tomtom like software that tells you how to drive etc |
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| 11:59.09 | Jin^eLD | re |
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| 12:03.45 | zecke | BTW: updated the BitBake manual on berlios |
| 12:06.26 | Crofton | koen, you have an email regarding EfIKA? |
| 12:06.41 | koen | Crofton: yes |
| 12:06.54 | Crofton | argh |
| 12:06.59 | Crofton | what does it say? |
| 12:07.27 | koen | "Bill Buck van GENESI-USA, INC heeft aan Koen Kooi 1 FedEx International |
| 12:07.27 | koen | Economy pakket(ten) gezonden." |
| 12:07.37 | koen | it's a mail from the fed-ex tracker |
| 12:07.55 | Crofton | hmm |
| 12:08.21 | Crofton | none yet |
| 12:08.31 | Crofton | maybe they are atching in order of project approval |
| 12:11.32 | koen | Crofton: or packaging it up for shipping takes a while |
| 12:11.51 | koen | Crofton: or domestic shipments use USPS |
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| 12:12.11 | Crofton | yeah |
| 12:12.45 | Crofton | any idea what we need to power it and what to use for mass storage? |
| 12:13.09 | koen | atx and PATA ide drive iirc |
| 12:14.39 | Laibsch | Are there ppl regularly running bittest besides zecke? |
| 12:14.40 | Crofton | I should get one of the flash to ATA adapters at some point |
| 12:15.02 | Crofton | Subject line on libc-ports : (ARM EABI) ports-20061127 + kernel-headers-2.6.18 == broken system |
| 12:16.10 | koen | Crofton: right, that's why angstrom still uses 2.6.15.99 |
| 12:16.31 | koen | Crofton: the fix should be simple, just hook up the *at syscalls for arm |
| 12:16.47 | Crofton | how do you control wich headers are used? |
| 12:17.38 | koen | argos-wlan:~/Projects/OpenEmbedded/org.openembedded.dev koen$ grep headers conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf |
| 12:17.39 | koen | PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers_i686 ?= "2.6.18" |
| 12:17.39 | koen | PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers_powerpc ?= "2.6.18" |
| 12:17.39 | koen | PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-libc-headers ?= "2.6.15.99" |
| 12:19.16 | Crofton | wew |
| 12:19.23 | Crofton | I copied that line from angstrom |
| 12:21.05 | Ifaistos | Crofton : Got an email also for the Efika |
| 12:21.49 | Crofton | you are also in EU? When did you sign up? |
| 12:21.52 | Ifaistos | Crofton : i am crossing fingers they have not declared a value > 50$ or i the custom officials will be very happy |
| 12:22.24 | Ifaistos | Crofton : Yes EU. I signed up and then told koen ;) |
| 12:22.50 | Crofton | heh |
| 12:27.00 | Ifaistos | Crofton : Fedex has the worst service here... if the declared value is .5 cents over the import limit they charge something like 100-120Euro to clear it from customs |
| 12:29.32 | Crofton | I need to work harder getting my USRP to work on Full speed usb ... |
| 12:30.47 | zecke | man I hate my new toy |
| 12:31.20 | Crofton | bummer |
| 12:32.25 | koen | zecke: which new toy? |
| 12:32.35 | zecke | T830 of Fujitsu-Siemens |
| 12:32.41 | koen | zecke: is it green and unethical? |
| 12:33.21 | zecke | koen: it is sort of green and unethical but different to what you think |
| 12:33.53 | harrydg | which is the best routeplanner for linux? |
| 12:41.21 | Laibsch | koen: Is it http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6614 you guys are talking about? Makes me druel. How much did you pay? |
| 12:43.05 | Crofton | pay? |
| 12:43.52 | koen | pay? |
| 12:44.31 | koen | Laibsch: it was (is) a developer program, so we get them for free |
| 12:46.16 | Laibsch | Wow, that is awesome. I have long used low-power devices rather than THz machines which keep a nuclear power plant busy. But I wonder if that is for mass-market. I am sure there will be some ppl who like it, though. |
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| 12:58.01 | koen | Laibsch: http://designer.spreadshirt.jp/ does not resolve here |
| 12:58.51 | Crofton | Should we sign up for this: http://www.powerdeveloper.org/8641d.php |
| 12:58.57 | Crofton | Not really embedded though |
| 13:00.05 | Laibsch | koen: Thanks for letting me know. I should remove that URL. The project is being phased out. |
| 13:06.09 | hrw|meeting | Laibsch: I want to inform you that my realname is Marcin Juszkiewicz |
| 13:06.58 | koen | Crofton: ppc is cool, so the more people having ppc hw, the better |
| 13:07.03 | Laibsch | hrw|meeting: I know. Did I piss you off in any way using your nick or something? |
| 13:07.19 | Crofton | koen, that is why we need PS3's :) |
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| 13:10.39 | hrw|meeting | Laibsch: look at bugs which you pointed me to |
| 13:12.52 | hrw|tv | Laibsch: first 2 ones have my note from yesterday |
| 13:12.56 | Laibsch | hrw|tv: I know you commented on them. But do you monitor them? Just wanted to send you a poke that I guess most of them can be closed. |
| 13:13.11 | Laibsch | yesterday? |
| 13:13.48 | Laibsch | Oh, I misread the date as being February and March <blush> |
| 13:14.06 | Laibsch | I thought they had been sitting idle for much longer. |
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| 13:16.58 | hrw|tv | Laibsch: remember that anyone can close bugs... |
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| 13:18.54 | Laibsch | hrw|tv: Don't worry. But I rather tread carefully. I do close bugs when I understand them 100% and if I do not interfere with anybody's work. In doubt I usually err on the side of asking one times too many. |
| 13:19.12 | Laibsch | s/In doubt/When in doubt/ |
| 13:21.46 | hrw|work | Laibsch: generate laibsch@openembedded.org key (or other userid but recognizable one please) and send it to koen and mickeyl via mail |
| 13:22.36 | koen | like http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/MonotonePhraseBook says :) |
| 13:23.52 | hrw|work | yep |
| 13:27.08 | hrw|work | wb mickeyl |
| 13:27.12 | mickeyl | hey hrw|work |
| 13:27.19 | hrw|work | enjoyed lunch? |
| 13:28.45 | greentux | ping lrg |
| 13:29.10 | lrg | hey greentux |
| 13:29.23 | RP | morning all |
| 13:29.24 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Will do. |
| 13:29.25 | greentux | hi lrg ... :) |
| 13:29.31 | greentux | morning |
| 13:29.31 | mickeyl | hrw: absolutely. visited my mother for lunch |
| 13:29.37 | mickeyl | yo RP, lrg, Laibsch, greentux |
| 13:29.48 | greentux | lrg: koen told me you are working @IMX31? |
| 13:29.49 | lrg | hey Richard, Mickey |
| 13:30.12 | lrg | greentux: yep, it's one of my many things to do |
| 13:30.24 | vlo|work | hey lrg |
| 13:30.25 | greentux | lrg: you are using the gda board? |
| 13:30.33 | lrg | hey vlo|work |
| 13:31.47 | lrg | greentux: no, the IMX31ADS |
| 13:31.47 | hrw|work | mickeyl: that explain all |
| 13:31.47 | greentux | lrg: gda has a nice smartphone reference kit... |
| 13:31.48 | mickeyl | hrw|work: :)) |
| 13:31.48 | Laibsch | koen: I had been looking for that page for some time this morning. Thanks for the URL. |
| 13:31.48 | lrg | greentux: I saw at in Florida in June and spoke with their director |
| 13:31.48 | greentux | lrg: do you have a link to the board you are using? |
| 13:31.55 | lrg | greentux: it's on the Freescale site |
| 13:32.18 | greentux | lrg: http://www.gdatech.com/ref_IMX31smartphone.shtml |
| 13:34.49 | vlo|work | greentux: from what I see, not so different than ADS board |
| 13:35.46 | greentux | vlo|work: ok, the gde has all the smartphone features gprs/wlan etc |
| 13:38.41 | vlo|work | yep ... so you should be able to get all the work from ADS work and integrate it on this one |
| 13:39.40 | greentux | vlo|work, lrg: ok nice. Or I finde some devs and send a gda board to them :) |
| 13:40.02 | greentux | vlo|work: what is supported with oe and what ha sproblems??? |
| 13:40.57 | lrg | greentux: we have oe support for mx31ads :) |
| 13:41.24 | greentux | lrg: ok, with all componentes? usb, lan etc? |
| 13:41.56 | greentux | lrg: apm? pcmcia? mmc,sd? so many features :) |
| 13:42.27 | lrg | greentux: most of them, It's based on the Freescale kernel (2.6.16), although I've upgraded it to 2.6.19. |
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| 13:42.51 | greentux | lrg: fine. what is the intention for you to support this cpu? |
| 13:43.32 | lrg | greentux: I'm only interested in audio |
| 13:43.46 | mickeyl | only? audio rocks! |
| 13:44.18 | lrg | mickeyl: :) |
| 13:44.34 | greentux | lrg: cant find on the freescale site how many audio in/outs analog/digital available ? |
| 13:44.52 | lrg | mickeyl: My main interest is really in successor to mx31, cant say anymore |
| 13:45.16 | mickeyl | lrg: *nod* did you see marvel announcing their commitment to the pxa series recently? |
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| 13:45.45 | lrg | greentux: thay have atlas PMU and audio chip. I think it has an NDA before you can get deatils |
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| 13:45.59 | lrg | mickeyl: not yet, but I think Graeme did |
| 13:46.26 | lrg | mickeyl: fwiw I have a Zylonite on order |
| 13:46.48 | mickeyl | lrg: ah cool. tell me how it performs please |
| 13:47.10 | mickeyl | lrg: you're going to make it to FOSDEM 07 ? |
| 13:47.32 | koen | lrg: the zylonite boards still don't have a cpu with vfp, right? |
| 13:47.46 | lrg | mickeyl: performs well. I was with Stanley last Feb in Shanghai testing and coding on the board. We will do a comparison to pxa27x when it arrives |
| 13:47.54 | lrg | mickeyl: yep |
| 13:47.58 | mickeyl | lrg: excellent! |
| 13:48.06 | mickeyl | lrg: book the Astrid this time :)) |
| 13:48.12 | lrg | koen: yep, no fpu, but it does have mmx2 |
| 13:48.48 | koen | ah, another "performance by marketing" thing |
| 13:48.54 | lrg | mickeyl: will do, we must remember the AP and extension power sockets :) |
| 13:49.26 | greentux | lrg: details on how many input output interfaces ??? 8) |
| 13:49.30 | *** topic/#oe by mickeyl -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | http://www.openembedded.org | BugDays: 01-04.12.2006 | FOSDEM'07: 24-25.02.2007 with OE booth. Official OE hotel astridhotel.be |
| 13:49.40 | mickeyl | lrg: righto |
| 13:50.24 | lrg | greentux: my mx31 board has 11 3.5mm jacks |
| 13:50.38 | greentux | lrg: oh nice. |
| 13:50.43 | vlo|work | greentux: so does mine ;) |
| 13:51.41 | hrw|work | mickeyl: can you edit openembedded.org/events too? |
| 13:52.00 | lrg | vlo|work: XorA ran into problem whereby init didn't boot with recent images. This might be why your mx31 board didn't boot |
| 13:52.15 | mickeyl | hrw|work: sure |
| 13:53.04 | greentux | lrg: nice to hear. so the upcoming mx31 devices will be good supported |
| 13:53.40 | lrg | greentux:yep, although Freescale need to do some cleaning up work on their kernel source before it will go into mainline |
| 13:53.44 | vlo|work | lrg: hum, very interesting ... I've not been able to move any further. Angstrom kernel is able to boot the LTIB image, but it cannot boot the Angstrom image |
| 13:54.30 | vlo|work | lrg: so I think there has always been something wrong with the Angstrom images I've generated |
| 13:54.40 | lrg | vlo|work: I'm sure XorA has fixed this glibc issue now, it probably worth rebuilding from scratch |
| 13:56.33 | vlo|work | lrg: Ok, let's go for a mtn pull and a nice complete rebuild .... ouch, my old proc is already scared :) |
| 14:00.46 | XorA | ~lart objdump |
| 14:02.08 | koen | aaaah, herring |
| 14:02.54 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:03.02 | koen | hey chouimat |
| 14:03.08 | vlo|work | Xora: what was this weird init problem lrg talked about ? |
| 14:04.20 | chouimat | koen http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061203 <--- why linux on a cell phone is not a good idea ;) |
| 14:04.41 | XorA | vlo|work: no glibc in /lib |
| 14:06.09 | hrw|work | ;DDD |
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| 14:32.19 | hrw|work | RP: do you have linux-rp_2.6.19.bb floating somewhere? |
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| 14:44.17 | Laibsch | I received a request from one of the main devs of FOSS in Japan about "Cleanly buildable revision information of dev tree" and "Cleanly buildable local.conf settings" |
| 14:44.47 | Laibsch | I think he is frustrated by OE changing so fast and requiring PREFERRED_VERSION settings etc. |
| 14:45.00 | koen | depends on your DISTRO setting |
| 14:45.30 | Laibsch | If I am correct, he would be looking for a "known good" combo of revision id and local.conf. I doubt there even is such a thing. |
| 14:45.38 | Laibsch | Or is there? |
| 14:45.50 | XorA | today, openzaurus-unstable |
| 14:45.57 | XorA | today, Angstrom |
| 14:46.00 | koen | today angstrom-2007.1 |
| 14:46.14 | koen | today, generic |
| 14:47.19 | Laibsch | I see. Would the answer be different tomorrow? I mean we have to admit that at times things break horribly and without warning. I understand this can be frustrating. |
| 14:48.28 | Laibsch | Has OE been relatively stable lately? I think QA has paid off and I am not experiencing so many troubles lately. |
| 14:48.50 | Laibsch | XorA: Not recently. Me neither. They have been there, though. |
| 14:49.19 | zecke | Laibsch: you are just use to it, QA is as bad or as good as it was |
| 14:49.34 | zecke | Laibsch: and the best thing to describe it is: "We have no idea" |
| 14:50.36 | XorA | most of the problems newbs seem to have with breakages seems to stem from panic and the thought that .dev is somehow stable. Alerted on this channel during EU daytime and most stuff is fixed there and then |
| 14:51.22 | koen | and the inability to read the actual error message |
| 14:51.25 | mickey|devel | next year we'll start doing stable snapshots and things should be better |
| 14:51.28 | koen | like "Disk full" |
| 14:51.31 | Laibsch | OK, so basically I will tell him "no such thing. Try latest tree. Most devs build daily w/o probs. If there are problems, they are usually dealt with quickly" |
| 14:52.14 | koen | if there are problems, report them to the bugtracker |
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| 14:52.22 | XorA | Laibsch: yes, and if he speaks even moderate english then he can come here, and we promise we will lease zecke :-) |
| 14:52.33 | XorA | s/lease/leash/ |
| 14:52.51 | Laibsch | koen: He is not an absolute newbie and has already contributed to OE BTS and thus OE itself. He is very knowledgeable but time-restraint. Of course, he is still at the low end of the OE learning curve. |
| 14:53.04 | hrw|work | angstrom/.dev has one problem: few toolchains per week |
| 14:53.08 | Laibsch | His English is way above normal, too. |
| 14:53.21 | zecke | XorA: haha, just send me pizza and I'm quiet |
| 14:53.24 | koen | that's irrelevant for reporting bugs |
| 14:53.36 | XorA | Laibsch: I personally feel there is no substitute for chatting here for getting the feel |
| 14:54.40 | Laibsch | XorA: I will mention that, too. But he is involved with lots of projects. So I am not sure if he can spare the time. Japan is +8 hours which does not help with all the European guys not waking up before 3PM ;-) |
| 14:54.47 | zecke | koen: 1st rule of the bug tracker, the bugtracker does not exist? |
| 14:54.48 | B_Lizzard | What are the differences between abiword and abiword embedded? |
| 14:55.07 | B_Lizzard | I can't seem to find anything relevant on the net |
| 14:55.19 | Laibsch | He uses SL-6000. Could that make a difference? It is not so wide-spread. |
| 14:55.59 | XorA | B_Lizzard: less icons on toolbar in embedded |
| 14:56.14 | B_Lizzard | Great, thanks a lot! |
| 14:56.35 | Laibsch | koen: bug 1110 is in the BTS! ;-) |
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| 14:59.33 | Laibsch | koen: so is bug 1409. I think you will see these are high-quality bug reports from a knowledgeable person. |
| 15:01.34 | hrw|work | btw - does 1409 still happen? we got rid of all dbus-glib providers other then dbus-glib |
| 15:01.48 | koen | it doesn't happen for angstrom |
| 15:02.10 | Laibsch | I am not sure. I will make a note in the BTS. |
| 15:02.14 | hrw|work | koen: angstrom has pref_prov |
| 15:02.23 | hrw|work | Laibsch: I made one already |
| 15:02.25 | koen | hrw|work: right |
| 15:02.28 | Laibsch | OK |
| 15:02.30 | koen | so it doesn't happen on angstrom |
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| 15:05.25 | Laibsch | I guess I should advise him to build for angstrom instead of openzaurus-unstable, right? |
| 15:06.24 | hrw|work | yep |
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| 15:17.20 | RP | hrw|work: Sadly I don't have a 2.6.19 kernel yet :-( |
| 15:17.23 | Jin^eLD | when I have file://defconfig in my bb file, is it taken from "files" directory or from "bbfilename-version" directory? |
| 15:17.28 | Laibsch | Anybody using qemu successfully with angstrom? That is what he will use at first. I don't want to promise it will work if there are problems. |
| 15:17.53 | Jin^eLD | I mean the SRC_URI stuff |
| 15:18.49 | hrw|work | Jin^eLD: . files/ PN/ PN-PV/ |
| 15:18.52 | hrw|work | Jin^eLD: this order |
| 15:19.03 | Jin^eLD | thx |
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| 15:20.09 | koen | Laibsch: it works over here |
| 15:21.44 | Laibsch | cool. Thanks for letting me know. |
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| 15:31.17 | RP | Laibsch: FWIW, Poky should also always build and is easy to setup although it doesn't support tosa atm (but does support qemuarm+qemux86) |
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| 15:40.43 | mickey|devel | OT: anyone know how to change widget Z order using X or Gtk? |
| 15:40.51 | mickey|devel | can't find anything in the API |
| 15:41.42 | koen | you mean 'raise' or 'lower' them? |
| 15:41.47 | mickey|devel | yeah |
| 15:41.51 | mickey|devel | e.g. |
| 15:41.53 | mickey|devel | i show widget A |
| 15:41.55 | mickey|devel | i show widget B |
| 15:42.02 | mickey|devel | B overlaps A and is on top |
| 15:42.05 | mickey|devel | but i want A to be on top |
| 15:42.12 | mickey|devel | always the one that's shown last is on top |
| 15:42.21 | mickey|devel | which is not what i want |
| 15:43.29 | mickey|devel | aah |
| 15:43.30 | mickey|devel | heh |
| 15:43.31 | mickey|devel | thanks |
| 15:43.33 | mickey|devel | gdk_window_raise |
| 15:43.34 | mickey|devel | etc. |
| 15:43.41 | mickey|devel | it's part of Gdk (of course) |
| 15:44.02 | koen | you have devhelp installed? |
| 15:47.19 | mickey|devel | no. guess i should |
| 15:52.05 | giel | hm |
| 15:52.22 | giel | is it possible to create for 1 distro/machine combo two images with different sizes? |
| 15:52.43 | Genesis | yeap |
| 15:52.45 | Genesis | easy |
| 15:52.46 | giel | i.e., a pivot_root image for use as initrd and an image for the flash? |
| 15:52.52 | Genesis | it's on the wiki |
| 15:52.58 | giel | i can't seem to find it |
| 15:53.18 | giel | but if you say it's there i'll look harder ;) |
| 15:53.32 | Genesis | 2sec |
| 15:54.23 | Genesis | http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=ch07s06 |
| 15:56.22 | Genesis | giel, |
| 15:56.53 | giel | thanks, but i think that's not exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 15:57.32 | Genesis | ha |
| 15:57.46 | giel | if i type bb pivotboot-image i want an ext2 image of 8MB, and if i type bb foo-image i want one of 64MB, or something like that |
| 15:57.59 | Genesis | i use it to make 2 images : one for my nand & one for my nor flash |
| 15:58.58 | Genesis | ah but it's not the same image oki , i misunderstood , sorry |
| 15:59.11 | giel | np |
| 15:59.25 | giel | i'll try to figure something out |
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| 16:01.54 | hvontres|poodle | !oebugs 1647 |
| 16:07.25 | zecke | RP: Laibsch : Your ping is there for ages, copy DL_DIR into the DL_DIR of bittest and be done |
| 16:08.20 | zecke | RP: Laibsch : Thanks to wget -c it will not download a single line of new code, for QA in theory this helps none, in practice it actually helps a bit... |
| 16:08.56 | Laibsch | ping? |
| 16:09.29 | zecke | checking for the status code of HTTP1.1 |
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| 16:12.37 | Laibsch | zecke: Are you referring to the bittest that I am running? Can I just symlink bittest DL_DIR to OE DL_DIR? |
| 16:12.52 | zecke | Laibsch: not symlink, better copy |
| 16:13.32 | zecke | Laibsch: and to say it this way "Ich habe Pferde kotzen sehen" and for a true QA you really to want to check the md5/sha sums |
| 16:13.38 | hrw|work | where bittest it in svn? |
| 16:14.08 | zecke | Laibsch: and at my two internships the first question regarding OE was. Can we forbid fetching from external trees? |
| 16:14.14 | Laibsch | zecke: Sure. That is why I suggested splitting the test and doing the whole thing only from time to time. |
| 16:14.32 | chouimat | zecke: cool :) |
| 16:15.10 | Laibsch | zecke: fetching from external trees? You mean, they were asking if they can circumvent GPL and use OE stuff but not publish their own work? |
| 16:15.10 | zecke | So our policy was to download the tarball by hand, sha256 it, add the sum to the bb file, put the downloaded tar on the internal server |
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| 16:15.34 | Laibsch | Oh, I see |
| 16:15.38 | zecke | Laibsch: no, this has nothing to do with licenses at all :) |
| 16:15.42 | chouimat | zecke: internal mirror ... nice and boring job ;) |
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| 16:17.29 | giel | Genesis: dirty solution, but works: you can just put IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 in the foo-image.bb file |
| 16:17.30 | Laibsch | zecke: Is there anything in the works on how you want ppl help with automatic QA? |
| 16:17.54 | zecke | Laibsch: sadly most stuff is varpoware :( |
| 16:18.06 | Laibsch | Who is vaporizing? |
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| 16:18.42 | XorA_ | crappit, power out |
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| 16:19.15 | Laibsch | Can you specify a) task to test and b) where to report results? I am not sure about this tinderbox and how get and interpret results from it. |
| 16:19.40 | Laibsch | Should one run the complete bittest weekly? |
| 16:19.52 | Laibsch | chouimat: It is quite cold here in .de |
| 16:19.57 | zecke | Laibsch: what we can do now: Send good reports to the tinderboxserver |
| 16:20.06 | zecke | Laibsch: it still runs on ewi and receives build logs |
| 16:20.11 | chouimat | Laibsch: here it's a warm -5C |
| 16:20.14 | hrw|work | most of sources are fetchable currently |
| 16:20.25 | zecke | Laibsch: it can receive results of BitTest as well |
| 16:20.36 | zecke | Laibsch: the representation of these results is quite bad though |
| 16:20.40 | Laibsch | But where can I see the bittest results? |
| 16:21.22 | zecke | Laibsch: but Building is only a minor part of QA, what we can't do now is create good reports, bitch people, and actually test the stuff that was built |
| 16:21.37 | zecke | Laibsch: this depends on your cli (bittest --help) |
| 16:23.16 | Laibsch | I hope you do not mind me differing. My feeling is you concentrate too much on the tool side (and you have done an awesome job!). What is more important IMHO is to get ppl use it and report stuff. So you need to define objectives, tasks, responsibilities. |
| 16:23.36 | Laibsch | Like, we want to check availability of source once weekly. |
| 16:23.46 | Laibsch | And hashes monthly |
| 16:23.58 | Laibsch | For all of OE. |
| 16:24.08 | zecke | Laibsch: right (tools side) |
| 16:24.26 | zecke | Laibsch: the question is how to make people look at the results and act on errors |
| 16:24.42 | zecke | Laibsch: and the best answer I have is we need a tool |
| 16:24.54 | Laibsch | Answer: Not by making them invisible and ugly (hint, hint) |
| 16:24.55 | zecke | zeckeBot which will be able to bitch about errors |
| 16:25.11 | Laibsch | or community for a first go. |
| 16:25.13 | zecke | zeckeBot: God damn, koen you broke OpenZaurus builds |
| 16:25.18 | Laibsch | I could help. |
| 16:25.25 | Laibsch | But I would not know what to do. |
| 16:25.38 | Laibsch | There are lots others like me. Willing to contribute but no coders. |
| 16:25.58 | zecke | Laibsch: e.g. what we can do now is look t build results |
| 16:26.01 | zecke | Laibsch: e.g. http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=poky |
| 16:26.02 | Laibsch | Most of them will be put off by stuff not working. So QA benefits us doubly. |
| 16:26.19 | zecke | Laibsch: poky fails for two reasons, one is missing setserial source |
| 16:26.47 | Laibsch | I think there is more we can do. |
| 16:26.49 | zecke | Laibsch: one is something weird with GnuTls. RP could fix it but we don't want to put too much preassure on his shoulders |
| 16:27.00 | zecke | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenZaurus-354x |
| 16:27.09 | zecke | OZ fails due qemu on Ubuntu Edgy |
| 16:27.21 | zecke | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=Angstrom |
| 16:27.24 | zecke | angstrom rocks |
| 16:27.47 | Laibsch | See what you are doing? |
| 16:27.52 | zecke | no |
| 16:27.55 | hrw|work | ah.. I forgot to push qemu... |
| 16:28.03 | Laibsch | You are sharing your knowledge about how to use this tool. |
| 16:28.22 | Laibsch | I think that is something that is more valuable ATM than creating an even better mousetrap. |
| 16:28.30 | zecke | Laibsch: Green == Good |
| 16:28.32 | Laibsch | Separate tool and process |
| 16:28.36 | zecke | Laibsch: Yellow == In Progress |
| 16:28.42 | zecke | Laibsch: Red == Bad -> click on it |
| 16:28.47 | Laibsch | Well, I would not have even known where to look. |
| 16:28.52 | Laibsch | Or what to test. |
| 16:29.02 | zecke | Laibsch: a long ugly page will be shown |
| 16:29.10 | Laibsch | I think there is value in you defining and guiding the process. |
| 16:29.14 | zecke | Laibsch: on the upper side you will see wgat got built |
| 16:29.19 | zecke | at the bottom you see the failure |
| 16:29.32 | hrw|work | zecke: will push fix for oz354x |
| 16:29.33 | zecke | be back in a minute |
| 16:29.35 | zecke | :) |
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| 16:34.50 | zecke | Laibsch: all the build results you see are generated from a dual xeon system |
| 16:34.57 | zecke | Laibsch: which is still mostly idle |
| 16:35.00 | hrw|work | zecke: fix pushed |
| 16:35.21 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5b114bed... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): qemu-native: fix problem with 2.6.17 linux-libc-headers on host |
| 16:36.35 | Laibsch | zecke: So there is really no need for others to help with QA? I mean I am cool with that and I believe a central responsibility for QA is quite well. |
| 16:37.03 | hrw|work | Laibsch: autobuilders like those run by zecke and nslu2 people are only part of QA rather |
| 16:37.05 | zecke | Laibsch: oh sorry, there is enough to do and help is welcome |
| 16:37.28 | zecke | Laibsch: as OE supports more than infinite configurations there more we build the better |
| 16:37.33 | Laibsch | OK, then it would be a good idea to spell things out. |
| 16:38.15 | hrw|work | my first sh3 build |
| 16:38.44 | Laibsch | Is it only building (inherit tinderbox) or also linting (man bittest)? What are the priorities. It seems that a (human) gateway from error to BTS might be something? |
| 16:39.14 | zecke | Laibsch: human gateway is mostly missing |
| 16:39.35 | zecke | Laibsch: but do not assign bugs to people, communicate with them :) |
| 16:39.50 | zecke | Laibsch: and that is really difficult |
| 16:40.07 | raduga | communicate with the bugs? |
| 16:40.11 | zecke | http://tieguy.org/talks/LCA-2005-paper-html/ |
| 16:40.44 | hvontres|poodle | zecke: maybe we could put koen in charge of "communications" ;) |
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| 16:40.59 | Laibsch | zecke: But all the stuff from both bittest and bitbake are at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuilds et al? |
| 16:41.00 | zecke | hvontres|poodle: no no, I will handle it ;) |
| 16:41.18 | zecke | Laibsch: This tbox has the concept of a 'Tree' |
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| 16:41.46 | zecke | Laibsch: and we have four tree's defined: OpenEmbeddedBuilds,Poky,OZ354x,Angstrom |
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| 16:42.12 | zecke | Laibsch: and you can send anything you want to the box |
| 16:42.26 | zecke | build reports, bittest results, serial console logs of booted images... |
| 16:43.09 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuilds |
| 16:43.11 | Laibsch | I know I can send the stuff. But I can also send stuff to /dev/null ;-) Pulling stuff is where I am still learning. Especially pulling goal-oriented. |
| 16:43.38 | zecke | Laibsch: That is easy: Everything must be GREEN |
| 16:43.47 | zecke | Laibsch: if it is Yellow: Wait |
| 16:43.51 | Laibsch | OK OK |
| 16:44.02 | zecke | Laibsch: if it is Red: Check the log and find someone to solve it |
| 16:44.10 | Laibsch | But is all the info the tbox has in one of those links? |
| 16:44.29 | zecke | Laibsch: I'm tempted to say yes |
| 16:44.42 | Laibsch | Then I would devote some time in the future to look through the links ever so often. |
| 16:45.32 | Laibsch | I stopped sending stuff since I was having REDs but the problem was local IOW misconfiguration. |
| 16:46.07 | Laibsch | Separating that cruft out would be nice. |
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| 16:47.45 | Laibsch | BTW, the tieguy.org stuff sounds like what I have been trying to do to the best of my ability and which I plan to continue doing in the future. |
| 16:48.00 | koen | Luis rocks :) |
| 16:48.13 | zecke | last time I read this, I agreed |
| 16:49.06 | hrw|work | zecke: I have small diff to tinderclient.bbclass |
| 16:49.24 | hrw|work | + server = data.getVar('TINDER_HOST', d, True ) or "ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl" |
| 16:49.24 | hrw|work | + url = data.getVar('TINDER_URL', d, True ) or "/tinderbox" |
| 16:49.47 | zecke | okay... |
| 16:49.55 | hrw|work | zecke: what do you think about setting most of TINDER_ vars to some defaults? |
| 16:50.03 | hrw|work | will pastebin full diff when finish |
| 16:50.21 | zecke | okay, will go home now and into the gym... |
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| 17:00.03 | hrw|work | cu |
| 17:04.02 | hvontres|poodle | !oebug 1525 |
| 17:04.04 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1525, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-10-23 12:16 |
| 17:04.04 | cdbot2 | * * kristoffer_e1(AT)hotmail.com: Crosscompiling GCC 4.1.1 fails at end |
| 17:04.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525 |
| 17:05.09 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 17:05.27 | Kristoffer | :D |
| 17:05.29 | koen | !oebug florian |
| 17:05.30 | cdbot2 | * * Bug florian, Status: InvalidBugId |
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| 17:05.51 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 17:10.14 | Genesis | bye |
| 17:11.18 | chouimat | florian_kc: not 400 millions ago :) |
| 17:11.34 | florian_kc | chouimat: hehe |
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| 17:45.37 | CIA-4 | conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Added parted & Dialog to distro_rdepends |
| 17:45.37 | CIA-4 | * Added parted & dialog programs to distro_rdepends since |
| 17:45.37 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.04 | rob_w | hi cbrake how his the .il stuff going ;-) |
| 17:51.24 | cbrake | rob_w: pretty well. No bit problems so far. |
| 17:51.50 | rob_w | mine was now replaced because of that crc error on loading the kernel |
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| 17:52.21 | cbrake | rob_w: I had to enable kernel preemption due to the noddy NAND flash driver sucking resources, and set a critical process to RT. |
| 17:52.51 | cbrake | rob_w: ouch, I sure hope this is not a pattern as we had to send 1 of our systems back as well. |
| 17:52.53 | rob_w | interesting |
| 17:53.10 | cbrake | rob_w: kernel preemption broke the SD driver, so now that needs fixed. |
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| 17:54.03 | rob_w | i also had strange sighitings on using preempt |
| 17:54.59 | hrw | re |
| 17:55.13 | Jin^eLD | wb |
| 17:56.22 | Jin^eLD | hmm, does anyone know how to diff, ignoring certain changes? the -I regexp option did not seem to do anything at all for me |
| 17:57.09 | Jin^eLD | this really drives me crazy, I am trying to make a clean kernel patch from a vendor's version, and they checked the kernel into their CVS which somehow messed up $Revision tags, but only on certain files |
| 17:57.33 | hrw | Jin^eLD: do diff and then clean it? |
| 17:58.00 | cbrake | Jin^eLD: diff --exclude |
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| 17:58.11 | Jin^eLD | hrw: well, the kernel is a "work in progress", so I may have to repeat the process when updates come |
| 17:58.20 | Jin^eLD | cbrake: --exclude only excludes certain files, afaik? |
| 17:58.54 | Jin^eLD | I'm more looking for something "if result of diff is only a change in $Revision" - ignore it |
| 17:59.05 | cbrake | Jin^eLD: ahh, revision tags -- what a pain :-\ |
| 17:59.10 | Jin^eLD | yeah.. |
| 17:59.47 | Jin^eLD | $Revision, $Id, several things messed up |
| 18:00.07 | hrw | Jin^eLD: do diff and clean it with script |
| 18:02.14 | Jin^eLD | that's what I am trying now.. I just hoped there would be an easier way |
| 18:03.01 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.10 | Jin^eLD | yep, tried that - had no success at all |
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| 18:03.52 | Jin^eLD | I have no idea why but it seemed to completely ignore my RE |
| 18:03.56 | hrw | ;( |
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| 18:06.31 | hrw | 19:06 hrw@home:tmp$ diff -u 1 2 --ignore-matching-lines="Revision" |
| 18:07.03 | hrw | it ignore Revision lines |
| 18:07.03 | Jin^eLD | hmm |
| 18:07.03 | Jin^eLD | I did not have the 1 2 thing |
| 18:07.03 | Jin^eLD | maybe that was my mistake |
| 18:07.07 | Jin^eLD | oh wait |
| 18:07.08 | hrw | 1 2 are files |
| 18:07.13 | Jin^eLD | :) |
| 18:07.20 | Jin^eLD | I used -Naur |
| 18:08.02 | Jin^eLD | and it did not do anything |
| 18:08.08 | Jin^eLD | I mean - in regard to -I |
| 18:08.59 | Jin^eLD | hmmm |
| 18:09.08 | Jin^eLD | the -I comes after the files |
| 18:09.14 | Jin^eLD | that must be it |
| 18:09.15 | Jin^eLD | then it works |
| 18:09.20 | Jin^eLD | oh man |
| 18:09.34 | nicolasfr | if size matters for some of you: http://www.geek-fr.com/blog/what_size_is_yours |
| 18:10.18 | hrw | Jin^eLD: works? |
| 18:10.49 | hrw | nicolasfr: mine wifi card is smaller then smallest of yours |
| 18:10.55 | Jin^eLD | hrw: testing... |
| 18:11.26 | Jin^eLD | no |
| 18:11.48 | nicolasfr | hrw: argh! I want it then ;) |
| 18:12.01 | nicolasfr | hrw: you can't post picture? |
| 18:12.14 | Jin^eLD | when I tested a short example, it worked |
| 18:12.20 | Jin^eLD | but on the actual files it failed again, I have no idea why |
| 18:12.33 | Jin^eLD | let's say I want to ignore that: *! Import of linux kernel 2.6.16.19 |
| 18:13.01 | Jin^eLD | I do --ignore-matching-lines="Import of linux kernel", right? or just "Import" |
| 18:13.11 | Jin^eLD | but it still ends up in the diff |
| 18:13.58 | Jin^eLD | ok I think thats the trick - it only ignores stuff that is different, not stuff that is new |
| 18:14.29 | Jin^eLD | hrw: thank you! you helped me with a little breaktrhough |
| 18:14.35 | hvontres|poodle | Jin^eLD: Time to break out sed ? |
| 18:14.46 | hrw | nicolasfr: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/DSC00106.JPG |
| 18:14.47 | Jin^eLD | hvontres|poodle: I think I'll need that in addition... |
| 18:15.58 | hrw | nicolasfr: small enough? |
| 18:16.29 | hrw | bb in 10-15 minutes |
| 18:16.40 | hvontres|poodle | hrw : cool... how is the driver coming along? and how much will one of those set me back ? |
| 18:16.45 | Jin^eLD | time to relocate my body... l8r |
| 18:17.36 | hrw|afk | hvontres|poodle: do not know how much they will cost. driver will be when it will be ready |
| 18:17.39 | hrw|afk | afk |
| 18:24.32 | nicolasfr | hrw: http://www.geek-fr.com/_detail/blog/ambicom-wl1100c-cf.jpg |
| 18:24.44 | nicolasfr | hrw: comparable! |
| 18:27.54 | cbrake | i'm trying to get a few extra packages in a bootstrap-image using a task-base configured machine. If I define MACHINE_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = "gtk+", and then run bitbake bootstrap-image, all dependencies get built, but gtk and friends do not end up in the image?? |
| 18:29.14 | cbrake | any ideas what I might be doing wrong. |
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| 18:37.57 | rob_w | cbrake, strange .. |
| 18:40.18 | rob_w | hey cbrake i just noticed that we could make the worlds first upgradeable pda, ".. wanna more ram , no problem " |
| 18:41.01 | cbrake | rob_w: how is that? |
| 18:41.50 | rob_w | say u get the standard with 64 nand 64 ram 300mhz then you want more and get the 512 /128 520mhz |
| 18:43.17 | cbrake | rob_w: heh, yeah its nice to have upgrade options :-) |
| 18:43.42 | hrw | rob_w: how you want to provide upgrades? |
| 18:43.54 | hrw | rob_w: send old, get new? |
| 18:44.29 | rob_w | pay the new , keep ur old ;-) |
| 18:44.51 | cbrake | ahh, just figured out that I need to clean task-base timestamps if you change MACHINE_EXTRA_RDEPENDS to force the ipk to get rebuilt -- makes sense. |
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| 18:45.34 | hrw | cbrake: bitbake task-base -crebuild |
| 18:45.37 | hrw | easier |
| 18:45.44 | cbrake | just don't try "clean task-base". It seems to gleefully start deleting your build. |
| 18:46.00 | cbrake | hrw: ahh, excellent. I think its time for a new faq entry ... |
| 18:46.17 | cbrake | hrw: later |
| 18:46.21 | hrw | have a nice evening |
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| 18:52.49 | tomeff_ | hello |
| 18:52.58 | tomeff_ | umi tu nekdo cesky? |
| 18:56.04 | tomeff_ | i search the os , wroted in python or assembler |
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| 18:56.42 | tomeff_ | i search the os , wroted in python or assembler |
| 18:56.43 | tomeff_ | i search the os , wroted in python or assembler |
| 18:56.57 | Kristoffer | wroted? |
| 18:57.27 | tomeff_ | i a lite eadglish |
| 18:57.29 | tomeff_ | i czech |
| 18:57.48 | tomeff_ | write |
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| 18:58.38 | Sleep|Palm | hi |
| 18:58.48 | HopsNBarley | does the "${@[ " notation turn on python inline evaluation? |
| 18:59.29 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: ty jsi czech? |
| 18:59.41 | tomeff_ | HopsNBarley: i dont understant |
| 19:00.20 | Sleep|Palm | jsem,snad nevadi |
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| 19:01.00 | HopsNBarley | it's in the slugos-image.bb file. |
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| 19:01.52 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: ne nevadi !ja taky. prosim te mohl bys mi prekladat to co mi pisou? neumim moc ang. |
| 19:03.21 | Sleep|Palm | tomeff: spis ne,jedu z palmu |
| 19:03.38 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: aha |
| 19:04.18 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: pls. jen ze hledam neakej os napsanej v pythonu |
| 19:04.57 | koen | wth? |
| 19:05.07 | koen | are your keyboards broken? |
| 19:05.17 | HopsNBarley | nobody expects the czech inquisition! |
| 19:05.50 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: pls. jen ze hledam neakej os napsanej v pythonu |
| 19:06.27 | Marex | flood |
| 19:06.30 | Marex | slaughter |
| 19:06.35 | Marex | kickban! |
| 19:06.36 | Marex | :p |
| 19:07.00 | Sleep|Palm | aha |
| 19:07.00 | Sleep|Palm | to mi nic nerika |
| 19:07.02 | Sleep|Palm | ale v pascalu uz jsem videl |
| 19:07.36 | tomeff_ | ja ted newm presne co to bylo za jazyk ale vim na 100% ze je to na P |
| 19:07.54 | tomeff_ | Marex: nechces skusit v PHP :-D |
| 19:08.01 | koen | this is an english channel |
| 19:08.07 | Marex | Sleep|Palm, j/w how'd you manage to write that "pipe" | on palm < |
| 19:08.07 | Sleep|Palm | Perl? |
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| 19:08.14 | koen | behave, or find your own channel to talk gibberish in |
| 19:08.25 | tomeff_ | Sleep|Palm: mozdna |
| 19:09.05 | Sleep|Palm | sorry for czech,I'm already gone ;) |
| 19:09.57 | Kristoffer | Only official languages here are swedish and english |
| 19:09.59 | Kristoffer | in that order |
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| 19:10.54 | koen | svenska? |
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| 19:11.01 | lrg | cu |
| 19:11.12 | Marex | ああっ女神さまっ :-D |
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| 19:12.40 | Sleep_Walker | I'm here again |
| 19:12.53 | Sleep_Walker | sorry for czech inquisition here :D |
| 19:14.13 | Sleep_Walker | Jag är ledsen. |
| 19:14.20 | Sleep_Walker | :D |
| 19:14.22 | Kristoffer | koen, yes svenska :D |
| 19:15.15 | Sleep_Walker | that was for another, more friendly beginning here ;) |
| 19:18.31 | Jin^eLD | re |
| 19:19.46 | hvontres|poodle | mickey|dinner: Mahlzeit :) |
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| 19:24.04 | CIA-4 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * ra2c70fdc... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:24.04 | CIA-4 | initscripts/initscripts-1.0/jornada6xx/checkroot.sh : |
| 19:24.04 | CIA-4 | * We dont want fsck on boot since our clock resets |
| 19:24.04 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.14 | Gerrath | does anyone have the USB gadget support for the kernel working with the PXA270? |
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| 19:44.25 | cyrilRomain | morning all |
| 19:46.00 | Jin^eLD | hi |
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| 20:02.34 | likewise | morning all |
| 20:02.53 | likewise | HopsNBarley: hi there |
| 20:03.05 | HopsNBarley | howdy to you! |
| 20:03.45 | HopsNBarley | likewise, our iomega storcenter download is now available, if you had any interest in that. |
| 20:04.02 | likewise | HopsNBarley: thank you kindly, yes, I could learn from that :-) |
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| 20:26.43 | likewise | hrw|gone: which bitbake are you using? |
| 20:29.11 | Jin^eLD | has anyone noticed memory leaks in taglib? |
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| 20:34.56 | likewise | Jin^eLD: not using it, where is it used? |
| 20:34.59 | likewise | koen: hi |
| 20:35.55 | Jin^eLD | likewise: for parsing mp3/ogg/ape tags |
| 20:35.56 | koen | hey likewise |
| 20:36.43 | Ifaistos | likewise: If you work with icecc get the lastest version from the kde.org svn |
| 20:37.04 | Ifaistos | likewise: packaged ones with debian/ubuntu seem to have problems |
| 20:37.13 | likewise | Ifaistos: that one works? |
| 20:37.52 | likewise | Ifaistos: what is broken? I got icecc so far that my cross toolchain were tarred and sent to remote hosts, extracted there, but failed during execution. |
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| 20:37.57 | Ifaistos | likewise: i am able to do simple compiles (not OE) with 3 machines 2 i686 and 1amd64 |
| 20:38.28 | likewise | Ifaistos: could you quote me the revision number of your subversion checkout? (svn info in the dir, if I am not mistaken) |
| 20:40.20 | Ifaistos | likewise: i found out that icecc is very sensitive to version numbers.... The packaged version with debian etch and ubuntu edgy were misreporting cpu usage at the i685 clients and because of this only the x86_64 host was used |
| 20:41.49 | Ifaistos | likewise: its also importand to set the ICECC_VERSION corectly for every arch i.e i686:package_with_enviroment,x86_64:oackage etc |
| 20:42.44 | likewise | Ifaistos: OK, I am not sure if icecc.bbclass does that right, but I think it assumes only a single arch. |
| 20:43.16 | Ifaistos | likewise: One thing i have not solved... is that it "chokes" if -j is set.... not sure why though |
| 20:43.30 | likewise | -j to the Makefile options? |
| 20:43.36 | Ifaistos | likewise: yes |
| 20:43.44 | psokolovsky | koen, Hi! |
| 20:43.57 | koen | hey psokolovsky |
| 20:44.07 | koen | psokolovsky: did you get my mail about the n30 stuff? |
| 20:44.08 | psokolovsky | koen, would like to discuss couple of issues with you |
| 20:44.27 | koen | sure, go ahead |
| 20:44.41 | Ifaistos | likewise: it seems that if you build the cross-compiler for i686 arch then x86_64 can also run it (at least in ubuntu/amd64) |
| 20:44.42 | psokolovsky | koen, Yes, I got, good news! I didn't get any response to device donation proposal yet though. |
| 20:45.09 | psokolovsky | koen, What about upgrading linux-handhelds-2.6 version in use by Angstrom? |
| 20:45.21 | Ifaistos | likewise: if you specify it at ICECC_VERSION |
| 20:45.31 | koen | psokolovsky: to which version? |
| 20:45.40 | psokolovsky | koen, recenently, CVS was upgraded to 2.6.19, and well, .18 & .18 is theer for long time ;-) |
| 20:46.01 | koen | last I heard .18 doesn't work for h2200 |
| 20:46.19 | psokolovsky | koen, that's good q, I'd say follwoing: if you're comfortable to use 2.6.18 for htcuniversal, then it should be good for most other machines as well ;-) |
| 20:46.30 | psokolovsky | koen, it was fixed and tested |
| 20:46.49 | psokolovsky | latest of .18 is -hh2 (tagged before upgarde to .19) |
| 20:47.20 | koen | what would angstrom gain with moving to .18? |
| 20:47.58 | psokolovsky | koen, either way, .16 is plain too old. hx4700, h4000 undergone more or less good testing for hx4700, h4000, so we really should just use it, and allow for even more testing |
| 20:48.18 | koen | 'more or less'? |
| 20:48.23 | Ifaistos | likewise: Here is a part of the log while building samba (not through OE) -> http://pastebin.ca/267387 |
| 20:48.28 | koen | I want something a bit more tangible |
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| 20:48.44 | psokolovsky | koen, there's work happening on kernel all teh time and .16 is just too old now. |
| 20:49.08 | koen | koen@h2200:~$ uptime |
| 20:49.08 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.19 | koen | .16 isn't broken, so why move? |
| 20:49.19 | likewise | Ifaistos: yes, that's what I recognize. I did have OE/icecc work for non-cross stuff already. |
| 20:49.25 | psokolovsky | koen, I usually post things which changed in each -hh release in commit msgs, you can have a look there. |
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| 20:49.45 | koen | psokolovsky: I'm still banned from using any hh.org service, remember? |
| 20:50.02 | Ifaistos | likewise: Do you get a problem with -j ? |
| 20:50.04 | psokolovsky | koen, I mean, to OE.dev commits |
| 20:50.25 | koen | psokolovsky: that still doesn't give me tangible test results |
| 20:50.43 | likewise | Ifaistos: no, it worked for me |
| 20:50.55 | koen | psokolovsky: upgrading because of OMG SHINY!!!! is nonsense |
| 20:51.51 | psokolovsky | koen, interesting idea ;-). but HH.org kernels are work in progress, and each tag brings something new. But well, if you want 1 good reason to move to 2.6.16-hh8, or 2.6.17, or 2.6.18 is - common buttonmap refactor is there, which makes sure that all buttons on all suported devices are actually supported. |
| 20:52.13 | psokolovsky | koen, what test results are you looking for? |
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| 20:53.33 | koen | psokolovsky: someone testing basic stuff like suspend/resume, battery life, mmc/cf/etc, battery reporting and sending a summary to the mailinglist |
| 20:54.21 | psokolovsky | koen, wow, I do that all the time here on the devices I have! I don't tag -hh without such basic testing! |
| 20:54.42 | psokolovsky | koen, but I got idea, before switching to .17 or .18 you want RFC on mailing list. ok. |
| 20:55.06 | psokolovsky | koen, I'd still want to settle switching to common-buttonmap kernel, at least 2.6.16-hh8 |
| 20:55.30 | psokolovsky | koen, any concerns with that? that would require using svn version of xserver-common |
| 20:55.36 | psokolovsky | (with patch) |
| 20:55.59 | koen | poky florian to make a release :) |
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| 20:57.00 | psokolovsky | koen, would this be prerequisite for switch? or maybe we switch, and I use the argument that it was sufficiently tested in Angstrom snapshot to push it upstream? ;-) |
| 20:58.02 | koen | psokolovsky: consensus on the angstrom devel mailinglist would be a good start |
| 20:58.16 | psokolovsky | koen, ok, will do. thanks |
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| 21:03.25 | vlo | ooooooooooooooooohhhhhh no, I have this weird gcc cross-cross-initial problem again with today update: /home/valentin/EPFL/iMXBoard/linux/openembedded/build/mx31ADS/conf/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/as: unrecognized option `-Qy' |
| 21:10.03 | cbrake | can anyone recommend a light xterm like program for OE base devices (GTK based preferred)? |
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| 21:25.35 | Kristoffer | Any good way to follow a file in the repository? changes and such? |
| 21:26.30 | Jin^eLD | svn log filename? |
| 21:27.19 | Kristoffer | groovey thx |
| 21:27.19 | Jin^eLD | oh, you mean with monotone? |
| 21:27.19 | Kristoffer | yeah |
| 21:27.19 | Jin^eLD | uhm :) |
| 21:27.52 | Jin^eLD | I see mtn has some "log" option as well |
| 21:28.12 | Kristoffer | so mt log <filename> |
| 21:28.13 | Kristoffer | then? |
| 21:28.33 | Jin^eLD | you could try it.. unfortunately the only mtn commands I used were pull and update :) |
| 21:28.42 | Jin^eLD | I am not familiar with it... |
| 21:28.54 | Kristoffer | :) I'll give that a try |
| 21:29.56 | Jin^eLD | tell me if it worked :> may be useful to know |
| 21:31.21 | likewise | Kristoffer: mtn log --diffs packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.19.bb |
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| 21:31.33 | Kristoffer | likewise, thx |
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| 21:36.30 | JohnnyAkita | hmm building .oz354x gpe-image i get -- No file to patch. Skipping patch. |
| 21:36.30 | JohnnyAkita | 1 out of 1 hunk ignored |
| 21:36.30 | JohnnyAkita | Patch poodle-asound.state.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) -- known issue by any chance? |
| 21:37.33 | JohnnyAkita | indeed i don't see the files it want's to patch in the tree anyplace |
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| 22:05.49 | pb_ | hi florian__ |
| 22:11.39 | univac | gremlin[it]: know beer wuhrer? ;-> |
| 22:14.55 | gremlin[it] | hi univac ... no don't know such beer |
| 22:15.37 | univac | i drunk it, it's from italy |
| 22:15.42 | univac | hrhr |
| 22:16.11 | gremlin[it] | wuhrer ... a close to .at place ... isn't an italian name ;) |
| 22:17.11 | univac | yep] |
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| 22:28.07 | florian | re |
| 22:28.12 | florian | hey pb_ |
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| 22:52.56 | ArjanS | hi people, should I add one to the PR after changing some h1940 specific stuff in the tslib .bb? |
| 22:53.04 | Crofton | http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/12/efika-power.html |
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| 22:54.01 | psokolovsky | ArjanS, is change would affect how .ipk is generated, yes |
| 22:54.30 | ArjanS | psokolovsky: it does, but only for h1940 builds. I'm removing the detect-stylus dependency |
| 22:54.59 | psokolovsky | ArjanS, if it affects build for one machine, it affects build at all ;-) |
| 22:55.17 | ArjanS | ok, thanks, I'll bump it :) |
| 22:55.18 | psokolovsky | so yes, please bump, so it was propogated everywhere |
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| 23:08.33 | mickeyl | interesting stuff coming up in Gtk 2.12 |
| 23:08.46 | mickeyl | (hopefully |
| 23:08.47 | mickeyl | ) |
| 23:09.54 | RP | mickeyl: lets hope so :) |
| 23:15.54 | CIA-4 | 03arjan 07org.oe.dev * rff1adcdb... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tslib: remove h1940 machine dependency on detect-stylus and switch to using the default /dev/input/touchscreen0 created by udev |
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| 23:46.12 | stefan_schmidt | RP: mickeyl suggested that you can perhaps answer me a short question about arm assembly. I need to write 0x12345678 at the address 0xA0000000. |
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| 23:52.07 | denis_ | hello |
| 23:52.15 | denis_ | sorry to bother |
| 23:52.32 | mreimer | stefan_schmidt: adr r0, foo \n mov r1, #0xa0000000 \n str r0, [r1] \n foo: .word 0x12345678 |
| 23:52.35 | denis_ | ned some help crosscompiling to arm |
| 23:52.41 | denis_ | fro intel |
| 23:52.47 | denis_ | from intel@gentoo |
| 23:53.47 | denis_ | anyone? |
| 23:54.09 | stefan_schmidt | mreimer: Thanks a lot. I start with this. |
| 23:55.25 | raduga | denis: using OE? |
| 23:55.32 | raduga | what is your target (arm) platform? |
| 23:55.39 | denis_ | not yet, I have a zipit |
| 23:56.15 | denis_ | i put a 64mb SD card on it, so now I want to get all I can on it |
| 23:56.29 | denis_ | netcat, freebase, mp4players, etc |
| 23:56.32 | denis_ | mp3 |
| 23:57.00 | denis_ | I hear that OE has a lot of utilities than I could use |
| 23:57.53 | denis_ | I downloaded and compiled buildroot |
| 23:58.32 | Crofton | denis_, they might be more knowledgable about buildroot in #elinux also |
| 23:58.46 | denis_ | oh, thanxs |
| 23:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | #edev actually |
