| 00:02.47 | CIA-4 | 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * rfbab6d9b... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc-package.bbclass): glibc: use xargs to avoid a long command-line |
| 00:02.56 | rwhitby | ggilbert: I'll ask ka6sox to contact you - he looks after our hardware |
| 00:02.56 | CIA-4 | 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r96668be2... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc-package.bbclass): glibc: use xargs to avoid a long command-line |
| 00:03.10 | ggilbert_ | cool deal |
| 00:04.30 | Jin^eLD | those damn huge things.. touched the graphics card and produced a shortage |
| 00:04.47 | zecke | Jin^eLD: lol silent and xeon? |
| 00:05.15 | Jin^eLD | zecke: well yes :) there are huge coolers with heatpipes and whatever, and it is silent indeed |
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| 00:06.20 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert: are you still here? |
| 00:06.50 | zecke | koen|away: http://macslow.thepimp.net/shots/cairo-clock_on_gtk-quartz.png cool |
| 00:07.14 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert_: are you still here. |
| 00:07.16 | ggilbert_ | yeah |
| 00:07.28 | ka6sox-office | where in Socal is the server? |
| 00:07.55 | ka6sox-office | I'm the infrastructure Manager for nslu2-linux.org |
| 00:08.16 | CIA-4 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r9fa712a9... 10/ (1 packages/apex/apex_1.4.7.bb): apex: Now works for LE too |
| 00:08.22 | ggilbert_ | I'm Ventura, but I'm usually up at our santa barbara office once a week |
| 00:08.34 | ka6sox-office | then we can do lunch |
| 00:08.51 | ka6sox-office | I"m in Santa Barbara |
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| 01:02.58 | VoodooZ_ | is there something that forces NPTL to require TLS or is that yet another configurable item? |
| 01:03.32 | VoodooZ_ | glibc-intermediate_2.5 fails with: ports/sysdeps/arm/nptl/tls.h:48:3: error: #error "TLS support is required." |
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| 01:15.51 | SonicvanaJr | Hi I'm having problems with linux-hotplug. It fails on the install process. Here is the error log. http://pastebin.ca/248887 |
| 01:19.06 | JustinP | SonicvanaJr: what machine? |
| 01:19.45 | JustinP | SonicvanaJr: perhaps there are no rules set up for it or something.... |
| 01:19.45 | SonicvanaJr | Akita |
| 01:20.01 | JustinP | hmmm...then I have no idea |
| 01:20.26 | JustinP | what branch are you building from? |
| 01:20.35 | SonicvanaJr | oz354x |
| 01:21.18 | JustinP | yeah, that's building fine for me for spitz |
| 01:22.34 | SonicvanaJr | weird |
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| 01:46.59 | mreimer | koen|away: cairo 1.3.2 is out, with the first round of performance improvements |
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| 01:48.26 | HopsNBarley | ugh. what is this horrid phpize thing? yet another hurdle to cross compilation? sigh. |
| 01:52.58 | HopsNBarley | VoodooZ_, hold on, lemme look at my bb file... |
| 01:54.06 | VoodooZ_ | HopsNBarley: thanks. |
| 01:54.33 | HopsNBarley | IF you can explain phpize (-; |
| 01:57.47 | VoodooZ_ | phpize? |
| 01:58.02 | HopsNBarley | nicely done. |
| 02:02.01 | HopsNBarley | VoodooZ, lemme see if i can send you my bb file. |
| 02:02.14 | VoodooZ | with DCC? |
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| 02:04.22 | HopsNBarley | i guess, i've never done this before. |
| 02:04.37 | VoodooZ | or simply email it |
| 02:04.55 | HopsNBarley | i have an "offer" up. did you get anything? |
| 02:05.03 | VoodooZ | nope. |
| 02:05.15 | VoodooZ | I'm new to the irssi client though |
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| 02:46.06 | zecke | nite |
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| 03:18.49 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r2948284e... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:18.49 | CIA-4 | quagga: Quote the rhs of all variable assignments since this will be |
| 03:18.50 | CIA-4 | required with future versions of bitbake. |
| 03:26.10 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra86f3c5c... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:26.10 | CIA-4 | openssl: Use the new siteinfo stuff to determine the endianess and set the |
| 03:26.11 | CIA-4 | appropriate flag rather then manually processing the site file contents to |
| 03:26.11 | CIA-4 | do this. |
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| 04:04.05 | VoodooZ | what is glibc-intermediate used for? |
| 04:13.51 | v8jlene | VoodooZ: It's some sort of reduced glibc used to build gcc, and then the gcc it builds (using that libc) is then used to build the full glibc... or something like that. |
| 04:16.10 | VoodooZ | where does glibc-initial fit in then? |
| 04:16.48 | VoodooZ | 3 steps process or 2? |
| 04:19.26 | VoodooZ | anyways, bed time. Nothing works anyways... |
| 04:20.52 | v8jlene | VoodooZ: Not really sure.. |
| 04:20.58 | ka6sox-office | nite VoodooZ |
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| 07:38.21 | vlo | morning all |
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| 08:42.03 | hvontres|home | morining koen :) |
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| 09:01.02 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:01.06 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rc04bf3e4... 10/ (1 site/endian-big site/endian-little): |
| 09:01.06 | CIA-4 | site: Add newlines to the last entry in endian-big and endian-little. |
| 09:01.06 | CIA-4 | This is just so that they show up on the console when grep for those |
| 09:01.06 | CIA-4 | entries or when you cat those files. |
| 09:01.19 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rbd26f8df... 10/ (1 packages/hping/hping2_1.9.9+2.0.0rc3.bb): |
| 09:01.19 | CIA-4 | hping2 2.0.0rc3: Use the new siteinfo stuff to determine the endianess and |
| 09:01.19 | CIA-4 | set the appropriate flag rather then manually processing the site file |
| 09:01.19 | CIA-4 | contents to do this. |
| 09:01.28 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra1f1dc8d... 10/ (1 site/sh3-linux): |
| 09:01.29 | CIA-4 | site/sh3-linux: Replace the samaba entries with those from sh4. The current |
| 09:01.29 | CIA-4 | ones will build samaba but all the files will be shown with blank file |
| 09:01.29 | CIA-4 | names. This change has been previously made to all the other site files. |
| 09:01.29 | CIA-4 | This is part of a step towards merging the sh3 and sh4 site files. |
| 09:01.38 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r929667ff... 10/ (1 packages/net-snmp/net-snmp_5.1.2.bb): |
| 09:01.38 | CIA-4 | net-snmp 5.1.2: Use the new siteinfo stuff to determine the endianess and |
| 09:01.38 | CIA-4 | set the appropriate flag rather then manually processing the site file |
| 09:01.38 | CIA-4 | contents to do this. |
| 09:01.48 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rab6a3911... 10/ (1 site/sh3-linux site/sh4-linux): |
| 09:01.48 | CIA-4 | site/sh{3,4}: Update the sh3-linux and sh4-linux site files to match be |
| 09:01.48 | CIA-4 | adding missing entries from each site file to the other. |
| 09:02.01 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r84fe2f0f... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:02.01 | CIA-4 | site/sh{3,4}: Merge the sh3 and sh4 site files into a single common site file |
| 09:02.01 | CIA-4 | for both of them. |
| 09:02.01 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r60dba0f5... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): perl: add support for x86_64 - close #1591 |
| 09:02.07 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r31613cbe... 10/ (1 packages/tinymail/tinymail_svn.bb): |
| 09:02.07 | CIA-4 | tinymail: switched SRC_URI to HTTP method (was HTTPS) |
| 09:02.07 | CIA-4 | - both methods works, http does not need confirmation of SSL certificate |
| 09:02.09 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.14 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb7cca68e... 10/ (1 packages/ortp/ortp_0.7.1.bb): ortp: fixed SRC_URI |
| 09:02.19 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r2cf62c3a... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-itools_0.13.0.bb): python-itools: fixed SRC_URI |
| 09:02.24 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rbe5139ab... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): offlineimap: updated to 4.0.14 |
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| 09:31.32 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 09:35.48 | Genesis | do someone use a git version of xserver-kdrive ? i need a good src_date that is not broken |
| 09:36.20 | hrw|work | morning |
| 09:36.43 | Genesis | yo hrw|work |
| 09:37.51 | hrw|work | RP: I feel that bitbake trunk fetchall tries to restart failed fetch tasks |
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| 09:50.59 | ade|desk | hi all |
| 09:52.18 | koen | Genesis: afaik xcalibrate is broken when used with kdrive-git |
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| 09:58.50 | Genesis | koen, : i think , i've pb with tslib structure & define |
| 09:58.55 | hrw|work | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/1116-apt.log |
| 09:59.17 | Genesis | koen, : i try to fix it ugly for the moment |
| 10:00.26 | Genesis | in fact , i need a xserver that support dual head |
| 10:01.01 | Genesis | with the august patch of mallum , there is a switch -fb to choose the fb at lauchtime |
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| 10:19.02 | RP | hrw|work: hmm :-/ |
| 10:22.42 | RP | hrw|work: I tried bitbake apt -c fetchall -k here and it worked as expected. I don't know why it doesn't do that for you :-/ |
| 10:23.06 | RP | hrw|work: Is your bitbake patched at all? |
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| 10:31.28 | hrw|work | RP: its clean from trunk |
| 10:31.42 | hrw|work | RP: you tried against .dev or poky? poky has newer apt |
| 10:32.23 | RP | hrw|work: .dev - fetch failed, it marked the task as failed, tried again and errored out with no tasks executable |
| 10:32.40 | hrw|work | will do such test here |
| 10:32.42 | RP | hrw|work: Does "bitbake apt -c fetchall -k" loop for you? |
| 10:32.58 | hrw|work | started it now |
| 10:35.32 | hrw|work | NOTE: Resolving missing task queue dependencies |
| 10:35.32 | hrw|work | NOTE: Preparing Runqueue |
| 10:35.32 | hrw|work | NOTE: All possible tasks have been run but build incomplete (--continue mode). See errors above for incomplete tasks. |
| 10:35.35 | hrw|work | NOTE: Executing runqueue |
| 10:35.38 | hrw|work | NOTE: build 200611160232: completed |
| 10:35.44 | hrw|work | thats all |
| 10:35.55 | RP | hrw|work: That's the expected behaviour |
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| 10:36.29 | RP | hrw|work: it try the fetch first though, right? |
| 10:36.57 | hrw|work | RP: it tried in past |
| 10:37.29 | RP | hrw|work: Can you pastebin the full output from that run? |
| 10:37.51 | hrw|work | sure |
| 10:38.26 | RP | hrw|work: It should look like http://pastebin.com/825593 |
| 10:39.42 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.com/825595 |
| 10:40.15 | hrw|work | no stamps at all for apt |
| 10:40.29 | hrw|work | ah... w8. I cant test it now as I dropped them locally.. |
| 10:40.41 | hrw|work | ~lart me wice |
| 10:40.43 | hrw|work | twice |
| 10:41.07 | hrw|work | reverted, restarted |
| 10:43.13 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/apt.log - result of bitbake apt -cfetchall -kv|tee log2 |
| 10:43.47 | hrw|work | will recreate it without tee |
| 10:48.02 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/apt2.log |
| 10:53.22 | hrw|work | RP: apt 0.6.42.2 in poky is broken. apt-native works |
| 10:53.33 | hrw|work | RP: autofoo.patch does not apply here |
| 10:55.44 | RP | hrw|work: That looks like its behaving correctly... |
| 10:55.56 | RP | I'll keep the apt issue in mind in poky, thanks |
| 10:56.20 | hrw|work | RP: "bitbake -cfetchall world -vk" looks different |
| 10:56.42 | RP | hrw|work: I didn't have the -v |
| 10:57.57 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/1116-1200-fetchall.txt.bz2 is from my failed build |
| 11:03.45 | RP | hrw|work: No mention of apt? |
| 11:04.23 | hrw|work | moment- phone |
| 11:05.19 | hrw|work | ops. wrong log |
| 11:08.18 | zecke | I love to explain that when XYZ says "ERROR" take it seriously... |
| 11:08.21 | zecke | ~lart users |
| 11:11.18 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/1116-1200-fetchall2.txt.bz2 |
| 11:11.26 | hrw|work | this is correct one |
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| 11:20.00 | koen | zecke: no, 'ERROR' means actually 'free candy', so people ignore it |
| 11:20.15 | zecke | koen: ERROR This will fail |
| 11:20.24 | zecke | It failed and I have no clue what is wrong :) |
| 11:21.20 | koen | zecke: yeah |
| 11:21.44 | koen | RP: do you have any screenshots of the curses gui yet? |
| 11:22.09 | koen | zecke: did you notice a lot of the parse errors got fixed? |
| 11:22.21 | RP | koen: The demo I got from mickey is quite cool... |
| 11:23.14 | RP | koen: Its going to take a while before it gets implemented :-/ |
| 11:25.24 | RP | hrw|work: I can see what's wrong... |
| 11:25.33 | koen | RP: could you put it online somewhere? |
| 11:25.56 | RP | koen: Just wait ;-) |
| 11:31.02 | zecke | koen: yes, i will have to rerun the test script |
| 11:31.22 | zecke | koen: I will take a day off tomorrow to learn for my theoretical computer science test |
| 11:31.32 | zecke | koen: I think hacking parsers qualify as studying :) |
| 11:33.08 | hrw|work | RP: what it is? |
| 11:37.08 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r097b9926... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): man-pages: update to 2.41 |
| 11:37.34 | RP | hrw|work: Its not reporting the failed tasks correctly by the looks of it :-/ |
| 11:39.19 | RP | hrw|work: We call raise bb.runqueue.TaskFailure(self.runq_fnid[build_pids[result[0]]], then del build_pids[result[0]] in another exception handler. I don't know what python will do with this... |
| 11:39.58 | RP | zecke: Any ideas what python will do in this case (at the bottom of runqueue.py) |
| 11:40.35 | zecke | test it :) |
| 11:41.21 | zecke | it will likely remove it, just skip the del |
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| 11:41.35 | zecke | it will be deleted as soon as the deps drop to zero anyway |
| 11:43.09 | RP | ah, result is of course different so it shouldn't be an issue |
| 11:50.54 | hrw|work | heh.. looks like I will need to use linux32 anyway... |
| 11:51.00 | hrw|work | ~curse 2.4-crapix |
| 11:51.09 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 2.4-crapix ! |
| 11:51.33 | koen | hrw|work: 'linux32 screen' works wonders |
| 11:59.48 | koen | RP: Is "lose contacts between electric components" proper english for saying that the contacts don't always make contact? |
| 12:00.40 | RP | loose contacts between electonic components |
| 12:00.47 | koen | thanks |
| 12:01.33 | RP | s/contacts/contact/ and maybe s/loose/intermittent/ |
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| 12:02.44 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
| 12:02.53 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 12:02.55 | RP | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 12:03.57 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
| 12:08.02 | RP | hrw|work: Can you mtn up and apply http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/bitbake_rq-temp.patch to bitbake, then try to reproduce the problem? |
| 12:08.09 | hrw|work | can |
| 12:09.28 | hrw|work | RP: fetchall world -vk? |
| 12:09.43 | RP | hrw|work: yes please |
| 12:10.10 | hrw|work | started |
| 12:10.14 | hrw|work | [hrw@misc1 celinux-test]$ time bitbake -cfetchall world -vk|tee log.rp-fix1 |
| 12:10.15 | RP | hrw|work: What I didn't understand last time was the number of "NOTE: Removing failed runtime build target thcrut" |
| 12:10.38 | hrw|work | RP: bitbake r675+patch |
| 12:11.03 | RP | hrw|work: You also pulled the fix to base.bbclass from .dev? |
| 12:11.55 | hrw|work | yes |
| 12:12.01 | hrw|work | mtn: modifying classes/base.bbclass |
| 12:12.01 | hrw|work | mtn: updated to base revision 72e01ba791a9f5bc41e2f61a13635ad9cb1dcc87 |
| 12:12.03 | RP | ok, good :) |
| 12:12.21 | hrw|work | take a minute to reparse bbfiles |
| 12:12.40 | RP | I'll be afk for a while... |
| 12:12.44 | hrw|work | ok |
| 12:13.03 | koen | RP: the same 'a while' it takes for the ncurses frontend? ;) |
| 12:13.38 | RP | koen: In the sense that both timeframes are indetermined and will take as long as they take ;-) |
| 12:13.45 | koen | :) |
| 12:14.19 | koen | drat, I just found a 'FIXME- verbal description of LMV and NSEM' while doing a spellcheck |
| 12:23.14 | koen | | /bin/sh: line 1: ./perl: cannot execute binary file |
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| 12:27.39 | slapin_nb | hi, all! |
| 12:28.09 | slapin_nb | ERROR: /home/slapin/openedhand/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6+cvs20050404.bb depends on itself (eventually) |
| 12:28.25 | slapin_nb | How to fix this error? |
| 12:28.38 | koen | slapin_nb: if your OE up to date and are you using bitbake 1.6.2? |
| 12:28.57 | koen | s/if/is/ |
| 12:29.27 | slapin_nb | BB_VERSION = "1.6.3" |
| 12:29.32 | slapin_nb | is it bad? |
| 12:29.43 | koen | no, that's even better as 1.6.2 :) |
| 12:29.48 | slapin_nb | OE_REVISION = "72e01ba791a9f5bc41e2f61a13635ad9cb1dcc87" |
| 12:30.09 | slapin_nb | just updated... |
| 12:33.58 | slapin_nb | any ideas? |
| 12:35.35 | hrw|work | distro/machine and list of inherited classes |
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| 12:36.23 | slapin_nb | MACHINE = "nokia770" |
| 12:36.32 | slapin_nb | DISTRO = "familiar" |
| 12:36.42 | slapin_nb | DISTRO_VERSION = "unstable-20061116" |
| 12:37.10 | slapin_nb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.47 | zecke | both things are not the best tested things :( |
| 12:39.12 | slapin_nb | zecke, which are tested? |
| 12:39.41 | slapin_nb | I just trying to build rootfs and don't care for kernel for now. |
| 12:39.55 | zecke | slapin_nb: 'tested' I would say openzaurus-unstable and specially angstrom-somenumber |
| 12:40.39 | koen | or even 'generic' |
| 12:40.57 | zecke | yeah :) |
| 12:40.58 | slapin_nb | koen, DISTRO=generic? |
| 12:41.07 | koen | something like that |
| 12:47.20 | hrw|work | RP: fetchall is going nice now |
| 12:47.30 | slapin_nb | No, result is the same :( |
| 12:47.47 | koen | did you wipe TMPDIR in between? |
| 12:48.44 | slapin_nb | no, but it was running slowly... |
| 12:49.21 | hrw|work | someone want lsof 4.77? |
| 12:49.30 | koen | you can't switch DISTRO without wiping tmp |
| 12:50.09 | slapin_nb | koen, ther's no tmp dir created... |
| 12:50.48 | slapin_nb | (changing build dir) |
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| 12:56.05 | Jin^eLD | huhu |
| 12:56.08 | slapin_nb | Result is the same :( |
| 12:58.46 | slapin_nb | an attempt to build test package results on early problem |
| 12:59.03 | slapin_nb | ERROR: /home/slapin/openedhand/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6+cvs20050404.bb depends on itself (eventually) |
| 13:00.43 | slapin_nb | So, no solution? |
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| 13:02.11 | koen | DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 works for me |
| 13:03.04 | slapin_nb | koen, what is angstrom? |
| 13:03.36 | koen | a distribution that is actually maintained by people |
| 13:03.46 | slapin_nb | will it be rootfs-compatible (at least on core level) with n770? |
| 13:04.01 | koen | ? |
| 13:04.03 | slapin_nb | I mean just glibc+basic set of packages |
| 13:04.18 | slapin_nb | arm-linux omap1 |
| 13:04.47 | koen | it should produce a working rootfs, yes |
| 13:05.04 | koen | my 770 still runs IT2006, so I haven't tested it |
| 13:06.30 | suihkulokki | slapin_nb: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:08.06 | slapin_nb | Just have some development for OE using n770 as test device |
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| 13:16.26 | RP | hrw|work: great :) |
| 13:22.18 | hrw|work | NOTE: 4: /home/hrw/devel/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/unzip/unzip_552.bb, do_fetch (5777) |
| 13:22.25 | hrw|work | RP: number in () is task number? |
| 13:22.51 | slapin_nb | DISTRO = "angstrom" |
| 13:23.14 | slapin_nb | same problem :( |
| 13:23.23 | hrw|work | slapin_nb: angstrom-2007.1 |
| 13:27.13 | hrw|work | RP: if yes, then I still se repeats |
| 13:28.40 | hrw|work | RP: http://pastebin.com/825665 |
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| 13:33.50 | slapin_nb | hrw|work, yes, it still the same |
| 13:35.11 | slapin_nb | hrw|work, http://pastebin.com/825669 |
| 13:35.57 | slapin_nb | There is all output of build process... |
| 13:36.20 | hrw|work | slapin_nb: bitbake 1.6? does not looks like it... |
| 13:36.28 | hrw|work | slapin_nb: did you ever 'installed' bitbake? |
| 13:36.53 | slapin_nb | No, never |
| 13:37.01 | slapin_nb | I used PATH |
| 13:37.32 | slapin_nb | and it prints its version btw |
| 13:37.46 | hrw|work | 16 14:24 < hrw|work> slapin_nb: angstrom-2007.1 |
| 13:40.40 | slapin_nb | http://pastebin.com/825675 |
| 13:40.50 | slapin_nb | here I provide my local.conf |
| 13:41.01 | slapin_nb | after [local.conf] |
| 13:42.14 | Shoragan | hrw|work, i've split the debian packages again |
| 13:42.32 | Shoragan | hrw|work, my openembedded-essential now depends on bitbake |
| 13:42.56 | hrw|work | Shoragan: ok, will look later |
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| 13:49.16 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 13:49.40 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl Crofton |
| 13:50.02 | Crofton | gm |
| 13:50.21 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 13:50.51 | Speedy2 | Is the only non-clamshell Zaurus that's >5500 the 6000? |
| 13:51.16 | koen | there's the 5600 as well |
| 13:51.18 | RP | hrw|work: I think the NOTE X: at the start means its aborting at that point and the task didn't complete |
| 13:51.52 | Speedy2 | 5600 has the buggy PXA250 :/ |
| 13:52.01 | Speedy2 | I have a 5000D and I want to upgrade to something newer that runs Linux |
| 13:52.09 | hrw|work | Speedy2: depends. some 5600 have pxa255 |
| 13:52.14 | Speedy2 | I'm considering Zaurus and iPaq >=3600 && <= 3800 |
| 13:52.33 | hrw|work | Speedy2: ipaq h2210 |
| 13:52.38 | Speedy2 | Why that model? |
| 13:52.49 | RP | hrw|work: The number in brackets is the pid |
| 13:52.51 | Speedy2 | I was a fan of the StrongARM SA1110 used in the 36-38 and 5500 |
| 13:52.56 | hrw|work | RP: aha |
| 13:53.07 | hrw|work | Speedy2: pxa255 == less problems then sa1100 |
| 13:53.20 | Speedy2 | SA1110 didn't have too many problems. I think USB was the biggest |
| 13:53.27 | hrw|work | Speedy2: and h2200 is small, has BT, cf+sd |
| 13:53.32 | Speedy2 | What's in the ipaq h2210? |
| 13:53.35 | hrw|work | Speedy2: and is 2.6 supported |
| 13:53.37 | Speedy2 | A Samsung ARM? |
| 13:53.40 | hrw|work | pxa255/400 |
| 13:53.44 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 13:54.14 | Speedy2 | Do you think the h2210 is a better choice than a 5600 or 6000 with PXA255? |
| 13:55.05 | hrw|work | h2210 is better then Zaurus 5xxx |
| 13:55.26 | hrw|work | 6000 is too huge to use as PDA. |
| 13:55.35 | RP | hrw|work: Basically the code could be more optimal buts not an actual bug |
| 13:55.53 | mickeyl | hi |
| 13:56.19 | RP | hi mickeyl |
| 13:56.35 | hrw|work | RP: ok |
| 13:57.15 | Speedy2 | hrw|work: 2210 is supported by Familair, with a modern 2.6 kernel you say? |
| 13:57.50 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:58.05 | Speedy2 | Just curious, do you use one? |
| 13:58.09 | hrw|work | no |
| 13:58.26 | hrw|work | I have 5500, 6000, c760, c3000 and do not use them |
| 13:59.16 | koen | CoreDump|home: bribe kergoth |
| 13:59.26 | CoreDump|home | koen: heh |
| 13:59.35 | koen | CoreDump|home: or do13 |
| 13:59.37 | Speedy2 | 5x00 is still with 2.4, right? |
| 13:59.50 | CoreDump|home | Speedy2: indeed |
| 13:59.51 | koen | CoreDump|home: do13 has card detect working :) |
| 13:59.54 | RP | Speedy2: 5600 isn't |
| 14:00.06 | RP | card detect is the easy bit :-( |
| 14:00.52 | Speedy2 | Ah, so all the SA based devices are stuck with 2.4 :( |
| 14:01.26 | RP | Speedy2: until we solve the SD issue |
| 14:01.44 | Speedy2 | What's the deal with SD? Sharp never gave up any English docs on it? |
| 14:01.57 | Speedy2 | I know it's driven through their own ASIC |
| 14:02.10 | RP | we have no docs on the controller |
| 14:03.06 | Speedy2 | bah. |
| 14:03.11 | Speedy2 | Is Sharp still hoarding docs? |
| 14:04.33 | hrw|work | [hrw@misc1 celinux-test]$ grep 'NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/unzip552.tar.gz' ~/screenlog.1 |wc 27 167 2560 |
| 14:04.36 | hrw|work | argh |
| 14:05.52 | Speedy2 | hrw|work: Do you know anyone with the h2210? I'd like to ask questions of someone using it. |
| 14:05.57 | Speedy2 | err h2210 and Linux |
| 14:06.30 | RP | hrw|work: That can't be right. Can you share the log? |
| 14:06.33 | hrw|work | Speedy2: there are few people. one of them even here - but if prefer to be quiet then I will not bother him |
| 14:06.36 | hrw|work | RP: sure |
| 14:07.06 | Speedy2 | hrw|work: Ok. Well thanks a LOT for the tip on the h2210. |
| 14:07.37 | hrw|work | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/logs/unzip.log.bz2 |
| 14:07.59 | hrw|work | Speedy2: np |
| 14:12.15 | RP | hrw|work: It is working, its just inefficient |
| 14:12.41 | RP | hrw|work: If A fails and there are 7 more tasks running, it doesn't mark failures in the remaining tasks |
| 14:12.52 | hrw|work | ah |
| 14:13.28 | RP | hrw|work: I can fix that in due course but it will work for now |
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| 14:13.42 | do13_ | morning all |
| 14:13.58 | RP | hi Dirk |
| 14:14.06 | do13_ | hey Richard |
| 14:14.15 | koen | hey do13_ |
| 14:14.24 | do13_ | hi koen |
| 14:15.04 | hrw|work | hi Dirk |
| 14:15.18 | do13_ | hi Marcin |
| 14:19.19 | koen | ~seen twuin |
| 14:19.36 | ibot | i haven't seen 'twuin', koen |
| 14:19.36 | koen | ~seen twiun |
| 14:19.38 | ibot | twiun <n=steph@tangency.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 298d 20h 56m 42s ago, saying: 'I thought gentoo was _exactly_ what you wanted to use on a slow machine? Compilation optimisations and all that...'. |
| 14:20.28 | Speedy2 | hrm, on HH.org the Todo for h2210 lists "Suspend/resume and power management for HAMCOP GPIO", has that been resolved? |
| 14:21.01 | koen | suspend/resume seems to work fine |
| 14:21.45 | mickeyl | 298d... that's quite a bit |
| 14:22.23 | koen | almost 10 months |
| 14:22.53 | Speedy2 | Hey mickeyl |
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| 14:24.28 | Crofton | um coffee |
| 14:25.08 | hrw|work | ~lart debian badly |
| 14:25.36 | mickeyl | yo Speedy2 |
| 14:25.46 | mickeyl | this must be the day all the veterans are showing up... |
| 14:25.50 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:25.54 | mickeyl | Speedy2: how has life been to you? |
| 14:25.59 | Speedy2 | OK. |
| 14:26.25 | Speedy2 | I have been resolving software bugs in on a product I've been working on for a few months. I did a demo and all seemed well. I have been tearing my hair out over some of these bugs! |
| 14:26.55 | Speedy2 | Maybe I should just stick with hardware :) |
| 14:27.06 | Speedy2 | mickeyl: How have you been? What's new on your side? |
| 14:27.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:27.29 | mickeyl | I had a terrific 2006 |
| 14:27.37 | Speedy2 | Tell me about it! |
| 14:27.50 | mickeyl | finished my ph.d thesis (pending approval), starting my freelancer career, being hired by FIC to work on OpenMoko |
| 14:28.03 | mickeyl | everything really exciting |
| 14:28.07 | mickeyl | (albeit hard work) |
| 14:28.31 | Speedy2 | Wow! |
| 14:28.40 | Speedy2 | What was your Thesis on Dr. Lauer? |
| 14:28.47 | Speedy2 | When/where did you defend? |
| 14:29.07 | mickeyl | unfortunately not yet Dr. The defense is scheduled for december or january |
| 14:29.20 | mickeyl | thesis was on "component-based adaptive middleware for mobile distributed systems" |
| 14:29.31 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 14:29.40 | Speedy2 | Where are you doing your work? |
| 14:30.07 | mickeyl | atm. at home in Frankfurt, Germany. Some visits to Shangai and Taiwan next year |
| 14:30.17 | Speedy2 | Would you move to .tw to work with FIC? |
| 14:30.20 | Speedy2 | That's a big change! |
| 14:30.57 | mickeyl | i would never move permanently. my wife has a career here in Frankfurt and I'm not going to get involved into a remote marriage |
| 14:31.15 | mickeyl | so either we both move or no one |
| 14:31.25 | Speedy2 | wow. |
| 14:31.43 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:31.48 | Speedy2 | Yo chouimat |
| 14:31.52 | koen | hey chouimat |
| 14:33.03 | mickeyl | guys!! |
| 14:33.04 | mickeyl | good news |
| 14:33.05 | Speedy2 | How serious is FIC about their OpenMoko thing? Hopefully they're more serious than Sharp. |
| 14:33.27 | mickeyl | Speedy2: FIC is dead serious on making OpenMoko a success. They think in terms of platforms, not releases. |
| 14:34.00 | mickeyl | Speedy2: it has been a really good relationsship. This is much more an Open Source project than anything else. Starting in January, the complete stack will be developed in the open |
| 14:34.12 | Speedy2 | That excellent news. |
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| 14:35.06 | koen | mickeyl: yay! |
| 14:36.06 | Speedy2 | mickeyl: Hopefully FIC will make a PDA/Phone with a real keypad |
| 14:36.42 | koen | if they alter the shape a bit you could use it as a boomerang ;) |
| 14:36.42 | hrw|work | mickeyl: so I officially have to check how to get to fosdem |
| 14:36.58 | mickeyl | hrw|work: definitly now. i will send a mail to get the planning mill started. |
| 14:37.02 | mickeyl | (tomorrow...) |
| 14:38.14 | mickeyl | Speedy2: you see this first Neo1973 device is a test. if this first device sells reasonably (and I'm almost sure it will), then we will see a whole lot of devices using this platform. and this is not 2008 or later, no... even next year. |
| 14:38.26 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 14:38.32 | koen | mickeyl: plan=tomorrow, or plan:=tomorrow? |
| 14:38.50 | mickeyl | koen: := ;) |
| 14:38.58 | mickeyl | bbl, need to go to the grocery |
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| 14:44.58 | Bernardo | hi |
| 14:45.50 | zecke | mickey|bbl: OpenSource or free Software? |
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| 14:58.35 | hrw|work | http://www.intel.com/Please-Read-The-BB-File/IPL_ixp400AccessLibrary-2_1.zip ;D I'm curious does someone in intel wonder why such URL is requested |
| 15:05.16 | hrw|work | someone know does opie-camera is usable without sharp camera? |
| 15:05.34 | mickeyl | that would be me |
| 15:05.35 | koen | hrw|work: last time I checked, it wasn't |
| 15:05.37 | mickeyl | hrw|work: it's not |
| 15:05.41 | mickeyl | i didn't write it that way |
| 15:06.00 | hrw|work | mickeyl: so its now COMPATIBLE_MACHINE = "collie" :D |
| 15:06.09 | mickeyl | zecke: to be honest, I still don't get the subtle differences, but it's definitly the better one of the two options ;) |
| 15:06.20 | mickeyl | hrw|work: oh yeah, anything 2.4 at least |
| 15:07.47 | hrw|work | mickeyl: so collie only |
| 15:09.56 | mickeyl | ya |
| 15:09.59 | mickeyl | i'm afraid so |
| 15:11.11 | koen | 2.4 with binary crap module |
| 15:12.46 | hrw|work | mickeyl: NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: http://www.vanille.de/mirror/sip-4.4.5.tar.gz |
| 15:15.54 | zecke | mickeyl: subtle? |
| 15:16.09 | Jin^eLD | Gerrath: are you around? :> I'm still fighging DFB.. tried going via SDL... but no real luck so far |
| 15:18.09 | hrw|work | OE/packages/ixp4xx/ixp-osal_*.bb are nslu2 only or nslu2|ixp4xx? |
| 15:18.23 | mickeyl | zecke: hugeß |
| 15:18.23 | mickeyl | ? |
| 15:18.58 | RP | zecke: Have you read TODO in bitbake recently? :} |
| 15:19.28 | zecke | RP: do we have one? |
| 15:19.45 | koen | hrw|work: ixp4xx |
| 15:20.00 | RP | zecke: it appears we do |
| 15:20.03 | hrw|work | koen: nslu2 does not use them? |
| 15:20.04 | koen | hrw|work: it's firmware for the microengines in the CPU |
| 15:20.27 | hrw|work | I marked them as nslu2|ixp4xx now |
| 15:20.56 | koen | hrw|work: iirc they are being obsoleted by an open driver, but I'm not entirely sure |
| 15:21.06 | koen | hrw|work: but yes, the nslu2 uses them |
| 15:21.08 | hrw|work | koen: opendriver still use firmware |
| 15:21.33 | RP | I'm about to move poky to use bitbake trunk... |
| 15:25.54 | hrw|work | I vote for removing mono from OE. it was added over 2 years ago and now it is obsoleted by upstream. |
| 15:28.39 | koen | hrw|work: start a removal.txt |
| 15:28.51 | koen | hrw|work: stating reasons and a due-date |
| 15:29.28 | koen | mickeyl: how up to date is the scons stuff in OE? |
| 15:29.48 | hrw|work | good idea |
| 15:31.52 | Genesis | i've a patch for -fb swith |
| 15:33.40 | Genesis | it's fun since i don't know how to deal with 2 touscreen , i've only one that work , so the mouse is one the first and pointer move on the second ;) |
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| 15:45.34 | hrw|work | CIA-3: kick |
| 15:46.24 | Jin^eLD | let's assume I have received some distro with prebuild stuff+rootfs + kernel sources from a vendor; I want to purge everything except for the kernel and setup OE to build the kernel from the sources that I have + everything else; basically create an own rootfs with only the stuff I need. how would I do that? I read the documentatoin and also the wiki but could not figure out how to really "start from scratch" |
| 15:46.33 | koen | hrw|work: the cia server has been down since this morning |
| 15:47.06 | hrw|work | Jin^eLD: docs: create own machine, then add kernel recipe |
| 15:47.19 | koen | Jin^eLD: create a machine config for it, create a recipe for the kernel, and pick a distro (generic-unstable would be a good start) |
| 15:47.45 | Jin^eLD | I did the machine thing already (right now I have a setup for the prebuilt toolchain) |
| 15:47.47 | Jin^eLD | ok thanks |
| 15:48.30 | Jin^eLD | packages/linux - those are the kernel recipes, right? |
| 15:48.59 | Jin^eLD | let's see :> |
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| 15:49.40 | Genesis | yes Jin^eLD |
| 15:50.03 | Genesis | Jin^eLD, : you should have a bootloader too |
| 15:50.13 | Jin^eLD | Genesis: I do have one from the vendor |
| 15:50.34 | Genesis | you could want to recompile it with your new toolchain |
| 15:50.41 | Genesis | oki |
| 15:50.45 | Jin^eLD | do I need to? |
| 15:50.53 | Jin^eLD | actually they use redboot |
| 15:50.55 | Genesis | no , sometime it's preffered |
| 15:51.04 | Genesis | i use redboot too |
| 15:51.19 | Genesis | it's a shit. |
| 15:51.24 | Jin^eLD | sometimes - like when? sorry if the question is stupid but I am quite new to the embedded linux stuff |
| 15:51.51 | Genesis | sorry don't remember well |
| 15:51.53 | Speedy2 | What's wrong with redboot? |
| 15:52.27 | Genesis | Speedy2, : no kernel cmdline parameter , no gpl , no maintener , no mmc boot , no usb boot |
| 15:52.44 | Jin^eLD | usb boot... |
| 15:52.48 | hrw|work | no nothing, only kernel-from-flash booting? |
| 15:52.49 | Genesis | it's 4x biggest that uboot |
| 15:52.49 | Jin^eLD | I was interested in that btw |
| 15:53.31 | Jin^eLD | hrw|work: tftp booting with nfs rootfs works afaik |
| 15:54.06 | Jin^eLD | so which one you suggest? I'd like to have the usb boot option... |
| 15:54.41 | Genesis | depend your board |
| 15:55.01 | Jin^eLD | well... some ARM9 with a little ram and a little flash |
| 15:55.07 | Jin^eLD | +usb |
| 15:55.12 | Genesis | look at uboot |
| 15:55.13 | Jin^eLD | and ethernet |
| 15:56.00 | Jin^eLD | ok, I will take a look.. thanks |
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| 15:58.16 | Crofton | I am in a talk by some company taling about how they use tinderbox |
| 15:58.42 | Crofton | apparently they have an irc bot that watches the ouput and messgaes when there is an issue |
| 16:00.03 | Crofton | now there is a slide of an irc conversation |
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| 16:10.48 | T0mW | ~logs |
| 16:10.50 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
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| 16:15.49 | koen | hrw|work: I disabled cia xmlrpc messaged so the commit mails can go through |
| 16:16.06 | koen | right now the script is hanging on contacting cia.navi.cx |
| 16:18.27 | hrw|work | ok |
| 16:18.55 | mickeyl | might make that a background thread in ciabot |
| 16:19.05 | mickeyl | should be simple |
| 16:23.31 | hrw|work | | /a/home/hrw/devel/build/celinux-test/tmp/work/keymaps-1.0-r11/temp/run.do_fetchall.7512: line 544: do_fetchall: command not found |
| 16:23.53 | hrw|work | RP: fetchall does not work with SRC_URI = file:// recipes |
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| 16:33.15 | koen | mickeyl: my idea would be to have 2 instances of ciabot running |
| 16:34.13 | mickeyl | one for mailing, one for rpcing? |
| 16:34.20 | koen | mickeyl: I'll try getting the usbvga thingy working on the loft next week |
| 16:34.41 | mickeyl | koen: that'd rock |
| 16:36.24 | RP | hrw|work: ok, we probably need a null fetchall method in base.bbclass |
| 16:36.54 | RP | Why only file:// urls though? :-/ |
| 16:37.06 | hrw|work | RP: keymaps.bb |
| 16:42.23 | RP | hrw|work: fix pushed |
| 16:45.18 | hrw|work | Poznan, Poland suxx when it comes to flights. |
| 16:45.40 | hrw|work | I have to decide: Poznan -> Berlin -> fosdem -> Berlin -> Poznan or s/Berlin/Warsaw |
| 16:46.45 | hrw|work | zecke: how you travel to fosdem? |
| 16:47.03 | zecke | hrw|work: by a unspecified vehicle |
| 16:47.29 | zecke | hrw|work: probably I will fly to brussel but I won't take the same cab again |
| 16:48.08 | IvoC | zecke: take train to Bxl center (every 10minutes) and take subway or cab there |
| 16:48.09 | hrw|work | zecke: I meant how 'berlin -> fosdem' ;D |
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| 16:48.44 | zecke | IvoC: well, not if you have a queue of 30 asian travelers in front of you |
| 16:48.53 | zecke | IvoC: and the last train departs in 5 minutes :) |
| 16:51.44 | IvoC | ok, then you're screwed :-P |
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| 16:54.16 | mickeyl | 50 minutes from FRA |
| 16:57.25 | mickeyl | hmm early booking rocks |
| 16:57.44 | koen | early booking and last-minute booking |
| 16:57.49 | zecke | mickeyl: using lufthansa? |
| 16:57.52 | koen | in between you are screwed |
| 16:57.56 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 17:01.19 | hrw|work | 14:35 - 22:05 in one way, 21:00 -> who know when in return way |
| 17:01.33 | hrw|work | ~lart Poznan for lack of flights to normal places |
| 17:01.44 | koen | are we clustering in the same hotel as last year, or are going for the o-hand hotel? |
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| 17:03.52 | mickeyl | i like the Astrid |
| 17:03.58 | mickeyl | where did the ohand guys hang out? |
| 17:05.00 | mickeyl | novotel? |
| 17:05.05 | mickeyl | i remember liam was there |
| 17:05.11 | RP | Yes, Novatel |
| 17:05.28 | mickeyl | can we convince you guys to book the Astrid next year? :) |
| 17:05.35 | koen | wtf? |
| 17:05.37 | koen | http://openembedded.objectis.net/ |
| 17:05.39 | mickeyl | i'll talk w/ mallum |
| 17:05.48 | RP | mickeyl: mallum could be open to persuasion :) |
| 17:05.59 | raduga | is it very cold there, right now? |
| 17:06.03 | mickeyl | koen: eeks? |
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| 17:06.25 | mickeyl | raduga: brussels is always frickin' cold. especially in february |
| 17:07.02 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:07.03 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 17:07.09 | mickeyl | fleeces rock |
| 17:07.09 | den-ros | mickeyl: How much - is cold for guys? :) |
| 17:07.21 | raduga | mickeyl: warm and dumb is better than smart and cold |
| 17:07.50 | mickeyl | den-ros: I'm getting uncomfortable below 6 celcious |
| 17:07.50 | mickeyl | raduga: :) |
| 17:07.50 | RP | mickeyl: FWIW, brussels is warmer than here ;-) |
| 17:08.30 | den-ros | mickeyl: More hard when high water concetration in air even in not very low temperature. |
| 17:08.53 | hrw|work | mickeyl: define cold |
| 17:08.58 | hrw|work | -20°C? |
| 17:09.33 | den-ros | I was one time in far Siberia :) ... more then -30 -35... but i live yet :) |
| 17:09.44 | RP | It also depends a lot on wind and mosture. I was fine in Finland in -20 yet freeze here at -5... |
| 17:10.05 | den-ros | RP: Agree. |
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| 17:14.06 | mickeyl | RP: today is mallum's birthday, right? |
| 17:14.25 | slapin_nb | yeah |
| 17:16.46 | koen | iirc he turns 33 |
| 17:16.54 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:17.12 | mickeyl | I'm seriously considering spending a third of the year somewhere else |
| 17:17.20 | mickeyl | I don't like winter |
| 17:17.37 | mickeyl | bora bora is nice |
| 17:18.14 | raduga | mickeyl: i won't say SD is nice, but at least its not cold |
| 17:18.30 | tnb | hmm, my b-day today, too. wish I were still 33 ;-) |
| 17:18.42 | koen | tnb: congrats |
| 17:18.47 | mickeyl | congrats tnb |
| 17:18.52 | den-ros | tnb: Grngs! (*) |
| 17:18.59 | raduga | happy 34th :) |
| 17:19.07 | tnb | thanks guys |
| 17:19.13 | zecke | congrats... |
| 17:19.14 | tnb | raduga: funny guy |
| 17:19.19 | tnb | 41 |
| 17:19.24 | raduga | close... |
| 17:19.27 | den-ros | ehhh... |
| 17:21.10 | hrw|work | cu |
| 17:21.18 | raduga | den-ros: how far back? |
| 17:21.26 | raduga | you miss being a communist? :) |
| 17:21.32 | den-ros | raduga: at 80's |
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| 17:21.53 | den-ros | raduga: afraid it no no no ... :( |
| 17:21.55 | den-ros | :) |
| 17:22.34 | den-ros | 80's is stylish times... |
| 17:22.50 | den-ros | raduga: :) |
| 17:22.52 | raduga | the 80s were... interesting. |
| 17:22.57 | raduga | a bit strange :) |
| 17:23.55 | den-ros | girls, disco and car shapes of 80's never will be repeated :) |
| 17:23.58 | raduga | modernism was beginning to break down, but hadn't completely crumbled |
| 17:24.19 | raduga | the cracks in the edifice, were fun to poke at. |
| 17:24.59 | raduga | kicking loose debris in the rubble that remains from where modernism fell, is rather less fun |
| 17:25.11 | ggilbert_ | den-ros: so we hope. |
| 17:25.33 | raduga | mostly they just annoyed me :( |
| 17:25.47 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:25.52 | raduga | chouimat: hehe |
| 17:26.19 | chouimat | mickeyl: :p |
| 17:26.20 | den-ros | :) |
| 17:26.27 | raduga | one oddity though. |
| 17:26.50 | raduga | not only has Madonna survived the 80s, but has thrived :/ |
| 17:27.03 | koen | damn, I didn't even get to see the complete eighties |
| 17:27.12 | raduga | and is still finding new ways to generate hideous offspring |
| 17:27.14 | chouimat | raduga: it's because she slept with a lot of producers :) |
| 17:28.06 | florian_kc | koen: :-) |
| 17:28.09 | den-ros | we must reflash ourbrains into some AI prototipe, before death come... so we have only 30 - 40 years only :) mickeyl can You start new open project for this please? :) |
| 17:28.19 | raduga | i wonder if she's among the progenitors of the Atreides line |
| 17:28.33 | chouimat | LOL |
| 17:28.41 | mickeyl | OpenBrains |
| 17:28.51 | den-ros | :)) |
| 17:29.29 | raduga | i'm going to flash my brain into ibot |
| 17:29.34 | raduga | ~brain |
| 17:29.39 | ibot | somebody said brain was a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up |
| 17:29.42 | chouimat | brb I just a fairly clear message (aka claw in my foot) that it's time to feed the cat |
| 17:29.59 | raduga | ibot: flash me |
| 17:30.01 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on raduga, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 17:30.14 | koen | mickeyl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation |
| 17:30.23 | den-ros | s/organ/orgazm |
| 17:30.35 | mickeyl | wow |
| 17:30.43 | raduga | chouimat: that's subtle |
| 17:31.02 | koen | I used to think the brain is the most wonderfull organ in my body, till I realised what was telling me that |
| 17:31.07 | raduga | my cat tends to jump on top the monitor, and dangle his legs in front of the screen |
| 17:32.46 | chouimat | raduga: mine too but that one was more like "Hey!!! I'm starving you big Ape!!! Feed me !!! " |
| 17:34.03 | raduga | chouimat: when my cat wants to be subtle, he'll dig his claws into the carpet, hard enough that a claw-sheath falls off |
| 17:34.14 | raduga | and I'll be walking by, minding my own business, then suddenly |
| 17:34.17 | raduga | *clawed in the foot* |
| 17:34.24 | raduga | and my cat is sleeping, undisturbed in the next room |
| 17:34.52 | chouimat | hehe |
| 17:36.20 | raduga | chouimat: this site needs more zaurii |
| 17:36.44 | raduga | http://www.infinitecat.com/infinite/cat-html/1-100/18.html |
| 17:37.45 | raduga | but, aside from the stylus, he pays *no* attention whatsoever, to the Z in any event |
| 17:39.07 | chouimat | raduga: hehe |
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| 18:16.13 | hrw|gone | 'If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL' |
| 18:16.31 | hrw | 127.0.0.1, sweet 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:16.44 | cbrake | help |
| 18:18.13 | hrw | back to taglines. |
| 18:18.20 | raduga | hrw: i'd still be using perl |
| 18:18.33 | hrw | raduga: Perl - The only language that looks the same before and after RSA encryption. |
| 18:18.48 | raduga | hrw: hee |
| 18:20.30 | florian_kc | hrw: *gg* |
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| 18:22.37 | hrw | Programming consists of 50% planning, 50% coding and 30% mathematics |
| 18:22.58 | mreimer | and 200% debugging |
| 18:23.18 | hrw | that one is nice: If GOD had intended computers to have 1,024 bytes per kilobyte, HE/SHE would have given us SIXTEEN FINGERS!! |
| 18:23.26 | mreimer | lol |
| 18:23.59 | mreimer | actually, 2^10 = 1024, so maybe he did :-) |
| 18:25.29 | koen | I tried to count people using the binary finger method once |
| 18:25.58 | koen | after 7 people I had cramped fingers and a cramped brain |
| 18:25.59 | raduga | god gave us 8 fingers, so we should be counting in octal |
| 18:26.18 | raduga | but silly ppl keep sticking their thumbs in |
| 18:26.28 | hrw | 488M /home/hrw/devel/sources/svn_dir |
| 18:26.29 | hrw | 1.4G /home/hrw/devel/sources/cvs_dir |
| 18:26.29 | hrw | 2.3G /home/hrw/devel/sources/dl_dir |
| 18:26.29 | hrw | 69M /home/hrw/devel/sources/git_dir |
| 18:26.29 | hrw | 4.1G /home/hrw/devel/sources/ |
| 18:26.32 | hrw | progressing |
| 18:27.07 | hrw | who will write bittorent fetcher? :D |
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| 18:33.11 | ade|desk | home time, cya |
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| 18:48.30 | HopsNBarley | hrw, i've always been a fan of fred brooks "mythical man month" dictum: take programming time. multiply by 4 to get to actual product. |
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| 19:10.09 | hrw | RFC: ${KERNELORG_MIRROR} |
| 19:10.49 | hrw | RFC: ${KERNELORG_MIRROR} instead of http://kernel.org http://www.kernel.org http://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://kernel.org ftp://www.kernel.org |
| 19:12.57 | koen | hrw: sounds like a good idea |
| 19:16.48 | hrw | thx |
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| 19:24.24 | woglinde | hm scons suckz? |
| 19:25.34 | koen | anything that requires python syntax and indenting in config files sucks |
| 19:25.34 | woglinde | hm |
| 19:25.38 | woglinde | thats make too |
| 19:25.51 | koen | woglinde: have a look at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/blender_2.42a.bb |
| 19:26.39 | hrw | wourgh... |
| 19:26.40 | woglinde | hm but whats blender good for on a zaurus? |
| 19:26.50 | koen | it needs even more cp statements, so I gave up on it |
| 19:26.55 | woglinde | jesus |
| 19:26.56 | koen | woglinde: is the world a zaurus? |
| 19:27.01 | woglinde | what the hell |
| 19:27.28 | den-ros | Bye. |
| 19:27.41 | koen | I also run OE on my smp workstation :) |
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| 19:28.25 | woglinde | okay okay |
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| 19:29.18 | koen | hey likewise |
| 19:29.24 | likewise | koen: hey there |
| 19:29.26 | likewise | morning all |
| 19:29.35 | Jin^eLD | hi likewise |
| 19:29.35 | chouimat | likewise: afternoo |
| 19:29.37 | chouimat | n |
| 19:29.53 | likewise | so, let's look for a FOSDEM hotel :-) |
| 19:30.08 | koen | likewise: the astrid or the novotel |
| 19:30.27 | koen | likewise: it looks like the astrid will get the preference for the OE dudes |
| 19:30.41 | likewise | koen: thanks, I will try the novotel then :-) |
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| 19:38.50 | Jin^eLD | doh.. creating stuff from scratch is really difficult |
| 19:40.43 | likewise | Jin^eLD: yeah, I just made dinner from scratch. |
| 19:41.19 | Jin^eLD | likewise: well.. I'm trying to create a distro + rootfs |
| 19:41.42 | Jin^eLD | we had a talk yesterday, about dumping everything that comes from the vendor.. |
| 19:41.46 | koen | Jin^eLD: try using an existing distro first :) |
| 19:41.47 | likewise | yup |
| 19:42.37 | Jin^eLD | koen: I am starting up with generic.conf |
| 19:43.15 | Jin^eLD | but I do not think that I will manage to setup the kernel compilatoin |
| 19:43.31 | Jin^eLD | so I will use the prebuilt kernel for the timebeing |
| 19:46.48 | Jin^eLD | but setting up the distro seems like a nightmare :) |
| 19:47.02 | Jin^eLD | it was much easier with the prebuilt toolchain - there I just had to follow the howto ;) |
| 19:47.42 | hrw | Jin^eLD: now howto is: MACHINE="yourmachine" DISTRO="generic" bitbake bootstrap-image |
| 19:47.46 | hrw | ;D |
| 19:48.37 | Jin^eLD | hrw: but that would build the kernel? |
| 19:49.54 | hrw | if you added it into OE.. |
| 19:50.18 | Jin^eLD | I did not.. but the generic.conf has some setions |
| 19:50.19 | Jin^eLD | KERNEL = "kernel26" |
| 19:50.19 | Jin^eLD | MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6" |
| 19:50.21 | Jin^eLD | like that |
| 19:50.26 | Jin^eLD | or is it just information about the targt? |
| 19:51.59 | hrw | about target |
| 19:52.26 | hrw | some targets in OE can run 2.4 or 2.6 - MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION switch it |
| 19:52.30 | Jin^eLD | hmm ok then, I am following your howto :> |
| 19:52.41 | hrw | KERNEL = "kernel26" is old, obsolete way |
| 19:52.47 | Jin^eLD | but wait, I need to tell what packages I need, right? |
| 19:53.03 | hrw | no, you need to tell what features you need |
| 19:53.30 | Jin^eLD | is that also in the distro.conf or somewhere else? |
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| 19:54.31 | hrw | distro and machine |
| 19:56.23 | Jin^eLD | what should go to which of them? |
| 19:56.30 | Jin^eLD | my machine stuff is very simple |
| 19:56.39 | Jin^eLD | http://pastebin.ca/250250 |
| 19:57.24 | hrw | Jin^eLD: remove all except TARGET_ARCH IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS |
| 19:57.37 | hrw | Jin^eLD: use proper conf/machine/include/tune-* includes |
| 19:58.09 | Jin^eLD | there was none that did fit, that's why I set the TARGET_CC_ARCH there... |
| 19:58.27 | hrw | Jin^eLD: ah.. gcc3<>gcc4 problem... |
| 19:58.37 | Jin^eLD | hrw: yes, also - I used a prebuilt toolchain before |
| 19:58.44 | Jin^eLD | and they had gcc3 |
| 19:58.48 | koen | something like http://pastebin.ca/250251 ? |
| 19:59.38 | hrw | http://pastebin.ca/250252 rather |
| 20:00.27 | Jin^eLD | I thought I was supposed to remove everything except ARGET_ARCH IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS ? |
| 20:00.44 | hrw | Jin^eLD: MACHINE_FEATURES is needed |
| 20:01.12 | Jin^eLD | hrw: well ok I will go with what you posted http://pastebin.ca/250252 |
| 20:01.13 | hrw | Jin^eLD: as it say what machine feature (2.4/2.6 kernel, usb host/gadget, pcmcia/cf etc) |
| 20:01.25 | Jin^eLD | ah.. so |
| 20:01.37 | Jin^eLD | I have to add some stuff then |
| 20:01.49 | Jin^eLD | so those "features" are - hardware that the machine has? |
| 20:01.53 | hrw | yes |
| 20:02.02 | Jin^eLD | is there a predefined list from which I can choose? |
| 20:02.13 | hrw | look at other confs and task-base.bb |
| 20:03.03 | Jin^eLD | ok I see.. let me add a couple of things.. |
| 20:04.17 | woglinde | hrw oh nice wlan-cf-card |
| 20:06.02 | Jin^eLD | ok.. so the rest is just taking the generic.conf as it is? |
| 20:06.22 | Jin^eLD | or do I have to tweak the distro ? |
| 20:06.28 | hrw | you can |
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| 20:07.52 | Jin^eLD | what's this INHERIT += "debian multimachine" |
| 20:08.22 | hrw | Jin^eLD: look at celinux-test distro |
| 20:09.00 | Jin^eLD | nice, commented! |
| 20:09.10 | hrw | I wrote it ;D |
| 20:09.22 | Jin^eLD | aah :> |
| 20:11.45 | Jin^eLD | well maybe I shoult start off with your distro config file and not with the generic one, yours seems kind of cleaner |
| 20:12.14 | hrw | I think that generic need to get some comments from celinux-test rather |
| 20:12.51 | Jin^eLD | what's this task-bootstrap thing in generic? |
| 20:12.53 | koen | or from angstrom :) |
| 20:13.07 | koen | Jin^eLD: ignore task-bootstrap, that's obsolete now |
| 20:13.23 | Jin^eLD | ok.. |
| 20:13.52 | Jin^eLD | ok let me explain what I intend to do :) maybe you can give me a better hint then... |
| 20:14.09 | hrw | Jin^eLD: what machine you are adding? |
| 20:14.30 | Jin^eLD | I want to create a minimalistic distro with only a few packages; it will be a NAS with a UPnP server on it + samba, that's it |
| 20:14.35 | Jin^eLD | hrw: ARM9 based |
| 20:14.49 | Jin^eLD | hrw: you just helped me writing the machine.conf for it :> |
| 20:15.04 | hrw | Jin^eLD: is it on market already? |
| 20:15.09 | Jin^eLD | hrw: no |
| 20:15.23 | Jin^eLD | hrw: and yes :) well this particular one is not |
| 20:15.31 | Jin^eLD | but it is based on a reference design which is out already |
| 20:15.40 | Jin^eLD | but there is no linux for that yet |
| 20:15.49 | koen | arm926 is a funny choice for a NAS |
| 20:16.04 | chouimat | koen cool be fun to hack anyway ;) |
| 20:16.14 | koen | but arm926 is also used in the neuros :) |
| 20:16.21 | Jin^eLD | I received the first linux distro from the vendor, so I took a board from a product that we were developing and want to hack around in my spare time |
| 20:17.03 | Jin^eLD | koen: well, it was never planned to become a NAS ;) the original reference design can do more, like mp3, pictures, LCD support, etc. |
| 20:17.22 | chouimat | Jin^eLD: I see ... |
| 20:17.36 | likewise | I only recently learned about the RDC chips used in <EUR 70 NAS drives, that are actually x486 chips. |
| 20:18.08 | Jin^eLD | the thing is - I am writing a UPnP server, opensource, we got it running on the NSLU2 - some users helped us; so I got interested in making something for myself |
| 20:18.35 | Jin^eLD | our company develops a product wich is not related to NAS at all, but the board is very small and has ethernet and usb |
| 20:18.48 | Jin^eLD | and that's exactly what I need :) and - the vendor delivered linux recently |
| 20:19.05 | hrw | Jin^eLD: 64M ram or more? less? |
| 20:19.09 | Jin^eLD | 8mb :) |
| 20:19.26 | hrw | even my WAP/router has more... |
| 20:19.33 | koen | Jin^eLD: something like http://rafb.net/paste/results/mIayMj94.html ? |
| 20:19.37 | Jin^eLD | the thing is - I actually did cross compile and launch my server on it already, and I was surprised it did run with such little ram |
| 20:20.00 | Jin^eLD | because we originally wrote the server for a PC enviroenment, all in C++ with reference counting and greedy on memory |
| 20:20.50 | koen | ehm, like http://rafb.net/paste/results/hYzozk25.html |
| 20:21.15 | hrw | doubled inherits |
| 20:21.28 | Jin^eLD | X11 not really needed |
| 20:21.31 | Jin^eLD | what is QPE? |
| 20:21.39 | Jin^eLD | I can safely remove that I guess, right? |
| 20:21.45 | koen | yeah |
| 20:21.45 | hrw | Jin^eLD: qpe is some obsolete pda soft |
| 20:22.13 | Jin^eLD | extra RDEPENDS: that's where I could add my upnp server and all libraries that I am using? like libexif, sqlite3, etc.? |
| 20:22.18 | hrw | ever heard about Obsolete Integrated Palmtop Environment? |
| 20:22.27 | Jin^eLD | nope, never had a palm |
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| 20:22.40 | chouimat | hrw: hehe |
| 20:22.40 | koen | Jin^eLD: does you server link against those libs? |
| 20:22.50 | Jin^eLD | yes |
| 20:23.00 | hrw | Jin^eLD: then install only server ;D |
| 20:23.07 | koen | Jin^eLD: ok, so you only have to add your server, OE will figure out the libs |
| 20:23.27 | Jin^eLD | koen: but my .bb file has to tell what libs it needs, no? |
| 20:23.38 | hrw | Jin^eLD: has to - in DEPENDS |
| 20:23.39 | koen | Jin^eLD: yes |
| 20:24.11 | koen | DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = "samba leet-upnp-server" |
| 20:24.33 | Jin^eLD | but when I do DEPENDS += "sqlite3", but I actually do depend on libsqlite3 - then ipkg complains about a missing sqlite3 dependancy |
| 20:24.50 | Jin^eLD | but I can not do DEPENDS += "libsqlite3" because there is no such package (yet - the bbfile is sqlite3) |
| 20:24.54 | Jin^eLD | how to cope with that? |
| 20:25.24 | hrw | bbl - need to work some on mails |
| 20:26.16 | koen | Jin^eLD: OE takes care of the 'sqlite3' -> 'libsqlite3' renaming |
| 20:26.25 | koen | well, it should :) |
| 20:26.36 | Jin^eLD | hmm :) well maybe I messed something up.. heh |
| 20:26.37 | koen | time to watch some tv |
| 20:26.45 | Jin^eLD | thank you all for your help :) |
| 20:31.52 | likewise | libraries are automatically included (they are build-time and run-time dependencies). However, for your own upnp server, you would need to make a bitbake recipe first. |
| 20:31.57 | likewise | Jin^eLD: libraries are automatically included (they are build-time and run-time dependencies). However, for your own upnp server, you would need to make a bitbake recipe first. |
| 20:32.38 | Jin^eLD | likewise: I already created the recipe for the server |
| 20:33.10 | Jin^eLD | if all works well I will try submitting it after the release of the upcoming version |
| 20:33.11 | likewise | Jin^eLD: bitbake will then inspect which libraries it needs by itself. |
| 20:33.54 | likewise | Jin^eLD: I *guess* it does this by using objdump and grepping for NEEDED entries. |
| 20:34.04 | Jin^eLD | I see.. |
| 20:34.47 | likewise | Jin^eLD: when you have a working machine and distro, you might want to see this work with existing packages. It takes a while to learn how the system solves thing for you. |
| 20:34.56 | likewise | s/thing/things/ |
| 20:35.12 | likewise | I am still learning myself in that area. |
| 20:35.22 | Jin^eLD | likewise: well, the existing packages seemed to work well so far; until now I used the vendor supplied rootfs,kernel and prebuilt tools |
| 20:35.33 | Jin^eLD | and I already have the server with all needed libraries running on the target |
| 20:35.43 | Jin^eLD | but I do not want their rootfs and their tools |
| 20:35.45 | Jin^eLD | :) |
| 20:36.09 | Jin^eLD | especially when I have a special purpose in mind.. so that's why the move to an own distro now |
| 20:36.36 | hrw|busy | it use 'objdump -p' and NEEDED/SONAME |
| 20:37.00 | hrw|busy | package_do_shlibs() in package.bbclass |
| 20:37.40 | likewise | hrw|busy: tnx |
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| 20:41.12 | Jin^eLD | maybe a stupid qustion.. but how to I build my distro? :) |
| 20:41.18 | Jin^eLD | I mean - the whole distro so to speak |
| 20:41.32 | Jin^eLD | bitbake world? |
| 20:41.37 | hrw|busy | yes |
| 20:42.00 | Jin^eLD | ok then.. let's see how it goes :) |
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| 20:44.10 | hrw|busy | build bootstrap-image first ;) |
| 20:45.11 | Kristoffer | Im gone for a couple of days, and somehow everything changes |
| 20:45.18 | Kristoffer | I must start reading those OE mails |
| 20:45.39 | hrw|busy | Kristoffer: so do I |
| 20:46.10 | Kristoffer | Im not even sure anything builds any longer. :D |
| 20:46.45 | gremlin[it] | koen angstrom can build on Sa1110 ... or it have some trouble for eabi ? |
| 20:47.06 | gremlin[it] | s/on Sa1100/for SA1110/ |
| 20:47.26 | koen | eabi doesn't support armv4l yet |
| 20:47.40 | koen | see http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 20:48.08 | gremlin[it] | thanks ... are people already (activelly) work on that ? |
| 20:49.13 | koen | the solutions is known, it just needs someone to implement it |
| 20:50.51 | likewise | I think debian is to mangle package names for shared libraries, in the debian style (not sure about all details here). |
| 20:51.17 | koen | likewise: yes, it enables you to install different versions of libs in parallel |
| 20:52.13 | Kristoffer | gremlin[it], got a jornada 7xx? |
| 20:52.26 | gremlin[it] | koen ... touch screen now work on ipaq h3600 :) ... so i'm trying to build a gpe-image :) ... i'll like take care of eabi ... just have to look what have highest priority ... |
| 20:52.50 | gremlin[it] | Kristoffer ho i have an ipaq h3600 and a h3800 |
| 20:53.00 | Kristoffer | I cant make my build stop trying to build glibc 2.5....arghhh |
| 20:53.24 | Kristoffer | PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-linux-libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" |
| 20:53.27 | Kristoffer | should do the trick |
| 20:53.29 | Kristoffer | but it doesnt |
| 20:53.53 | koen | Kristoffer: that only tells it to use glibc-intermediate if you use nptl |
| 20:53.57 | koen | nothing about versions |
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| 20:55.23 | Kristoffer | koen, explain that again |
| 20:56.06 | Kristoffer | really all I should need is PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc-intermediate = "2.4" |
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| 20:57.20 | gerwinin | Koen: Can you close this bug http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1371 |
| 20:57.39 | gerwinin | Koen: it has to do with people using an old version of dbus |
| 20:57.52 | koen | gerwinin: feel free to close it yourself :) |
| 20:57.57 | gremlin[it] | gerwinin what are the solution ? |
| 20:59.18 | Kristoffer | koen, how can I tell it to use glibc-intermediate = 2.4 for all possible events? |
| 20:59.45 | koen | Kristoffer: glibc 2.4 has a COMPATIBLE_ARCH extry |
| 21:01.36 | gerwinin | Koen : done |
| 21:03.11 | gerwinin | Koen: I made a bb file for the via unichrome drivers so in bugzilla attach bb file ? |
| 21:03.29 | hrw|busy | yes |
| 21:03.41 | koen | gerwinin: as hrw said :) |
| 21:04.10 | gremlin[it] | gerwinin : the solution to #1371 is use a newest version of dbus ? (0.92 for example) ... i have #1371 with dbus-glib-0.72 ... |
| 21:04.11 | hrw|busy | ~time OR, USA |
| 21:04.27 | Kristoffer | koen, oki thx |
| 21:04.46 | hrw|busy | someone could teach ibot about giving time for countries/states |
| 21:05.07 | gerwinin | gremlin[it]: for x86 it is |
| 21:05.19 | gremlin[it] | mh no i'm compiling for arm ... |
| 21:05.36 | Kristoffer | koen, doh, why is arm set as DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_arm = "-1" ?.. |
| 21:05.54 | gerwinin | gremlin[it]: you can also adapt the configure.ac but I think for most people that is a bit too difficult |
| 21:06.00 | koen | Kristoffer: because it's broken for arm |
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| 21:06.21 | Kristoffer | koen, severly broken?.. Cause i've used it on my jornada for quite awhile now |
| 21:06.44 | gremlin[it] | gerwinin : but why after 0.72 there is only dbus and no more dbus-glib are merged ? |
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| 21:07.31 | hrw|busy | gremlin[it]: because dbus-glib is perfect? :D |
| 21:08.37 | gerwinin | gremlin[it]: I don't know |
| 21:09.12 | gremlin[it] | ah .. so dbus and dbus-glib don't need to be of teh same version :) ... i understand :) |
| 21:10.01 | gremlin[it] | to have the same version ... damn my english is horrible !!! :( |
| 21:12.49 | hrw|busy | what you people want to get documented? |
| 21:13.48 | likewise | hrw|busy: who are you talking to? |
| 21:13.57 | hrw|busy | #oe |
| 21:14.22 | likewise | hrw|busy: I have been thinking about documentation: I think what really helps is diagrams instead of textual information. |
| 21:14.36 | koen | hrw|busy: the stubs in the usermanual :) |
| 21:14.53 | Jin^eLD | hrw|busy: well also the stuff I was asking today.. settings in the distro, stubs in the usermanual - I was searching for some explanations there and hit the stubs :) |
| 21:14.58 | Jin^eLD | oh koen just mentioned it :) |
| 21:15.02 | koen | :D |
| 21:15.07 | hrw|busy | koen: currently I think about documenting adding packages and machine integration |
| 21:15.30 | Jin^eLD | yeah, machine integration would also be cool :) |
| 21:15.46 | hrw|busy | likewise: thats the problem - as a programmer I do not like to do diagrams on other media then sheets of paper |
| 21:15.49 | koen | there already is a chapter on how to write a recipe, so you could expand that |
| 21:16.01 | likewise | hrw|busy: I know :-) |
| 21:16.11 | hrw|busy | Adding a new Package |
| 21:16.11 | hrw|busy | This section is a stub, help us by expanding it |
| 21:16.16 | hrw|busy | koen: this one? |
| 21:16.29 | likewise | hrw|busy: I do like creating diagrams, but only in Adobe Illustrator or such |
| 21:16.48 | Jin^eLD | hrw, koen: uhm.. did we miss something in my distro config? it is trying to download and compile the kernel |
| 21:16.50 | koen | hrw|busy: in januari a whole batch of people that are new to embedded stuff will start using OE, you could add docs for them |
| 21:17.03 | likewise | koen: whom? OpenMoko? |
| 21:17.12 | koen | likewise: yes |
| 21:18.07 | likewise | hrw|busy: I would like to help create some diagrams. We have to agree on the format. I would suggest SVG source formats, PNG output? |
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| 21:18.16 | koen | likewise: that should work |
| 21:18.25 | koen | likewise: svg's can be diffed :) |
| 21:18.27 | likewise | hrw|busy: problem is, you probably want to create diagrams programmatically at one point. But that can be done later. |
| 21:18.47 | likewise | I do not like the output of 'dot' for example... |
| 21:19.12 | hrw|busy | svg2png and svg2pdf should exist somewhere |
| 21:19.25 | likewise | yeah they do |
| 21:20.12 | koen | iirc you can use inkscape from the cmdline as well |
| 21:21.24 | likewise | and the rsvg-* tools |
| 21:21.30 | likewise | from librsvg |
| 21:21.59 | koen | ah, right |
| 21:22.09 | likewise | rsvg-convert defaults to PNG (I just saw from its help) |
| 21:22.20 | likewise | wb |
| 21:22.30 | hrw|busy | ibot: EABI is the new "Embedded" ABI by ARM ltd which allow mixing soft and hardfloat code. Not yet supported for StrongARM. Palmtop distro with EABI: Ångström. More info: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 21:22.31 | ibot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, hrw|busy |
| 21:22.40 | hrw|busy | koen: nasty, isn;t it? |
| 21:22.50 | hrw|busy | ibot: EABI is the new "Embedded" ABI by ARM ltd which allow mixing soft and hardfloat code. Not yet supported for StrongARM. Palmtop distro with EABI: Angstrom. More info: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 21:22.52 | ibot | hrw|busy: okay |
| 21:23.51 | koen | ibot: no, EABI is the new "Embedded" ABI by ARM ltd which allow mixing soft and hardfloat code. Not yet supported for armv4l cpu's like StrongARM. Embedded distro with EABI: Angstrom. More info: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org |
| 21:23.52 | ibot | koen: okay |
| 21:23.53 | hrw|busy | I have to remember to print OE usermanual tomorrow |
| 21:24.01 | koen | palmtop, schmalmtop |
| 21:24.07 | hrw|busy | ;D |
| 21:24.27 | v8jlene | I have most of my bitbake recipes chapter completed for the manual... just got to find some time to finish it up, maybe next week... |
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| 21:24.47 | gremlin[it] | hrw|busy , koen : as a temporary solution have sense to compile Angstrom with "--with-arch=armv4 --with-no-thumb-interwork" options ? |
| 21:24.50 | hrw|busy | v8jlene: can you send me draft? so we will not duplicate |
| 21:25.05 | hrw|busy | gremlin[it]: koen is Ångström maintainer |
| 21:25.23 | koen | gremlin[it]: no, gcc will use BX isns anyway |
| 21:25.37 | hrw|busy | btw - due to Ångström I learnt how to enter those funny chars in X11 |
| 21:25.40 | koen | gremlin[it]: change conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc |
| 21:25.46 | hrw|busy | but still no Euro sign |
| 21:26.16 | Gerrath | has anyone used an SD card with the PXA270? |
| 21:26.28 | koen | conf/distro/include/angstrom-glibc.inc, that is |
| 21:26.38 | hrw|busy | Gerrath: few times |
| 21:26.47 | koen | change TARGET_OS = "linux${@['','-gnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1)=='arm']}" to TARGET_OS = "linux" |
| 21:27.03 | koen | Gerrath: yes, but with an external controller (asic3) |
| 21:27.17 | gremlin[it] | ok ok koen ... i don't do now :) ... just to figure out :) |
| 21:27.25 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, is there any patches I need to apply to the 2.6 kernel, or is the PXA MMC controller already supported? |
| 21:28.07 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, I was looking through the Kconfig and I couldn't find any options specific to the PXA and MMC. |
| 21:28.36 | hrw|busy | already |
| 21:30.03 | hrw|busy | Gerrath: I'll write patch for kernel then.. |
| 21:30.18 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, uhm, well I just grep'd the kernel for MMC and PXA and it looks like it is there.. just need to dig in the source and find out the correct Kconfig settings :-) |
| 21:30.26 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, thanks. |
| 21:30.39 | hrw|busy | Gerrath: MMC, MMC_PXA |
| 21:30.54 | koen | PXA_MCI ? |
| 21:31.09 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, thanks. |
| 21:31.21 | koen | pxamci.c even |
| 21:31.43 | HopsNBarley | v8jlene, need an editor/test reader? |
| 21:31.43 | hrw|busy | Gerrath: http://pastebin.com/826070 |
| 21:32.25 | v8jlene | HopsNBarley: Everything I've done in the user manual so far (reference section) could do with an editor/reader ;) |
| 21:32.49 | Gerrath | hrw|busy, thanks again :-) |
| 21:34.22 | hrw|busy | http://pastebin.com/826075 is for lkml ;D |
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| 21:35.35 | mmp | hello; is there anyway to force bitbake to do only and nothing but compilation (no further things like packaging etc) |
| 21:37.26 | mmp | ideally if it could do regardless of stamps:) |
| 21:38.07 | koen | mmp: bitbake -h |
| 21:38.14 | koen | looks for 'task' |
| 21:38.44 | mmp | koen: ahaa; I so far used just bitbake -i, and there I have not seen anything like that:) |
| 21:38.54 | koen | -c |
| 21:39.30 | hrw|busy | Gerrath: another patch sent to lkml |
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| 21:43.47 | koen | "hats mean ubuntu? |
| 21:43.47 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.53 | koen | +w somewhere |
| 21:45.26 | chouimat|away | koen hehe ... no it's african "Dude I think I fscked up something" |
| 21:45.42 | hrw|busy | v8jlene: so how it will be with docs? |
| 21:45.55 | hrw|busy | v8jlene: I planned writing some during weekend |
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| 21:46.02 | koen | chouimat|away: http://xkcd.com/c178.html |
| 21:46.51 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert, I'm going to Ojai today. |
| 21:47.07 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert_, I'm going to Ojai today |
| 21:47.32 | chouimat | koen hehe |
| 21:47.50 | mreimer | ka6sox-office: Ojai, as in Ojai, CA? |
| 21:47.59 | ka6sox-office | yes |
| 21:48.02 | mreimer | koen: did you see that the cairo 1.3.2 snapshot was released |
| 21:48.05 | v8jlene | hrw|busy: I'll look at getting it out to you later today. (Currently it's mostly in the form of electronic post-it-notes attached to my openembedded.info bb receiped page) |
| 21:48.07 | mreimer | ka6sox-office: my boss lives there |
| 21:48.26 | likewise | why is it called "populate_staging" instead of "stage". (to) stage is a verb, right? |
| 21:48.29 | ka6sox-office | small world. |
| 21:48.38 | ggilbert_ | ka6sox-office: oh? |
| 21:48.41 | mreimer | ka6sox-office: yes, Ojai is a small word :-) |
| 21:48.49 | ggilbert_ | I have the machine here at the office in Ventura :) |
| 21:48.59 | ggilbert_ | you don't happen to be taking the 101 to the 33 do you? |
| 21:49.14 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert_, 101 to 126 to 150 |
| 21:49.18 | ggilbert_ | ah |
| 21:49.29 | Speedy2 | ka6sox-office: Do you work in LA? |
| 21:49.35 | ka6sox-office | but I can stop anywhere |
| 21:49.45 | ka6sox-office | Speedy2, I'm in Santa Barbara |
| 21:49.51 | Speedy2 | Nice. |
| 21:50.07 | ggilbert_ | We're off the 33 at Canada Larga. If you want the machine today. If not I'll be up next week |
| 21:50.16 | Speedy2 | <-- San Diego. |
| 21:50.18 | hrw|busy | v8jlene: ok |
| 21:50.32 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert_, I'll stop by if thats okay. |
| 21:50.38 | Kristoffer | RP, you here man? |
| 21:50.56 | ggilbert_ | sure thing |
| 21:51.14 | Kristoffer | hrw|busy, you're next in line for spitz questions :D |
| 21:51.16 | ggilbert_ | What time? I just need a chance to make sure there was nothing valuable on the drive. :) |
| 21:51.27 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert, you tell me |
| 21:51.50 | ka6sox-office | I'm going to hook up a Stereo Generator up on the mountian as soon as it arrives. |
| 21:52.06 | ggilbert_ | I'll be here until 5. I need probably about an hour to go grab the machine and take a look over it |
| 21:52.11 | ggilbert_ | any time after that is fine though |
| 21:52.25 | ka6sox-office | ggilbert_, it'll be at least an hour |
| 21:52.37 | likewise | mreimer: cairo 1.3.2? http://cairographics.org/releases/ does not show. |
| 21:52.49 | ggilbert_ | perfect |
| 21:53.01 | mreimer | likewise: http://cairographics.org/snapshots/cairo-1.3.2.tar.gz |
| 21:53.07 | mreimer | likewise: http://cairographics.org/news/cairo-1.3.2 |
| 21:53.08 | ggilbert_ | We're off the 33 at Canada Larga. There's a big building labeled Brooks |
| 21:53.17 | likewise | mreimer: thanks. will bb it. |
| 21:53.22 | mreimer | likewise: but it needs pkgconfig 0.19 or greater, which isn't in oe yet |
| 21:53.26 | mreimer | thanks likewise |
| 21:53.37 | likewise | mreimer: I added a patch. It seems to work with 0.15 here |
| 21:53.45 | mreimer | likewise: great |
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| 21:56.58 | koen | mreimer: I didn't see that yet |
| 21:56.58 | koen | mreimer: does that have the magic number patches? |
| 21:56.58 | mreimer | koen: yes, it should |
| 21:57.30 | mreimer | koen: Carl said this snapshot renders text on his n770 5x faster than before |
| 21:57.37 | mreimer | koen: among other nice speedups |
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| 21:58.30 | koen | "Here we see that the subimage_copy improvement was only about half as |
| 21:58.31 | koen | large as the corresponding improvement on my laptop, (27x faster |
| 21:58.31 | koen | compared to 54x) and the floating-point conversion fix also was quite |
| 21:58.31 | koen | as significant, (2x compared to 3x). Oddly the improvement to text |
| 21:58.31 | koen | rendering performance was more than twice as good (5x compared to |
| 21:58.32 | koen | 2x). I don't know what the reason for that is, but I don't think it's |
| 21:58.33 | koen | anything anybody should complain about." |
| 21:58.35 | koen | about the n770 |
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| 21:59.23 | koen | if someone creates a .bb for it, I'll put it in the angstrom feeds for people to test :) |
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| 21:59.53 | likewise | koen: building as we speak |
| 21:59.53 | mreimer | koen: likewise is cooking one now |
| 22:00.12 | likewise | koen: needs a small patch to persuade to cope with pkgconfig 0.15 in configure.in |
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| 22:00.32 | koen | updating pkgconfig is hell.... |
| 22:00.50 | GStepper | hi all |
| 22:00.51 | likewise | koen: i figured... who did the 0.15 one? |
| 22:00.56 | koen | the diff to its internall glib needs to get redone |
| 22:01.03 | koen | likewise: no idea |
| 22:01.13 | koen | likewise: but florian added a newer m4 iirc |
| 22:01.30 | koen | likewise: so it has features of a newer pkgconfig |
| 22:01.48 | likewise | :-) |
| 22:01.59 | koen | likewise: maybe cairoclock can run in realtime now |
| 22:02.09 | suihkulokki | 1fps ? |
| 22:02.36 | likewise | koen: depends on size. I get 1 fps on a 800x800 cairoclock on the IXP420@533MHz |
| 22:02.53 | likewise | koen: correction: ~3 fps on a 800x800 cairoclock on the IXP420@533MHz |
| 22:03.24 | likewise | suihkulokki: ^ |
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| 22:03.47 | likewise | NOTE: package cairo-1.3.2: completed |
| 22:04.55 | likewise | how does OE or quilt help me getting a patch out? I normally do this by hand but am wondering if bitbake interactive can help me? |
| 22:05.21 | hrw|busy | quilt new my.patch;quilt add file file2 file3 |
| 22:05.29 | hrw|busy | edit file file2 file3; quilt refresh |
| 22:05.43 | hrw|busy | and then copy patches/my.patch somewhere |
| 22:06.01 | hrw|busy | simple |
| 22:06.04 | koen | likewise: 'mtn add packages/cairo ; mtn diff packages/cairo' |
| 22:06.13 | likewise | hrw|busy: right after do_patch? |
| 22:06.32 | koen | ah, that kind of patches |
| 22:07.18 | likewise | hrw|busy: ok, so interactive bitbake up to "patch", then your easy stuff, then build? |
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| 22:08.51 | koen | you could make a create_patch.bbclass that extracts the source to another dir and invokes quilt |
| 22:09.15 | hrw|busy | ~change 1 eur to pln |
| 22:09.35 | likewise | koen: I never used quilt much, but yes, get the idea. |
| 22:09.49 | hrw|busy | ~change 1 usd to pln |
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| 22:11.37 | hrw|busy | hmm.. looks like my fetching failed |
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| 22:12.31 | hrw | koen: do we use some dir on openembedded.org website for mirroring stuff? |
| 22:13.00 | koen | hrw: http://www.openembedded.org/sources/ |
| 22:13.10 | koen | (yes, that 403s) |
| 22:13.20 | hrw | ok |
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| 22:15.20 | Spyro | lrg? |
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| 22:15.43 | hrw | ~seen lrg |
| 22:16.04 | ibot | lrg <n=liam@edincore.wolfsonmicro.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 4h 40m 33s ago, saying: 'hvontres|poodle: yep and in latest patch'. |
| 22:16.23 | hrw | Spyro: he is mostly during european workday time |
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| 22:16.41 | Spyro | :) |
| 22:17.03 | koen | hey mr Molton |
| 22:17.11 | Spyro | hi koen... |
| 22:17.18 | Spyro | I'm looking for liam :) |
| 22:17.34 | koen | Drive north to Edinburgh |
| 22:17.44 | koen | cross the river and start yelling ;) |
| 22:17.50 | Spyro | very funny. |
| 22:17.57 | Spyro | wonder if my car would make it that far :) |
| 22:18.35 | koen | did you get your engine patched up? |
| 22:20.10 | Spyro | koen since the turbo blew? |
| 22:20.12 | Spyro | yeah |
| 22:20.26 | Spyro | was ok for a while now I have a water leak somewhere I cant find. |
| 22:22.36 | Jin^eLD | I'm off home, my distro is still building the toolchain :> Thanks everyone for your help |
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| 22:25.45 | likewise | mreimer: is cairo 1.3.2 a stable snapshot? |
| 22:25.54 | mreimer | likewise: no, it's dev snapshot |
| 22:26.00 | mreimer | so -1 |
| 22:26.37 | likewise | mreimer: I forgot what goes before the -1. PREFERRER_PRIORITY? |
| 22:26.54 | mreimer | DEFAULT_PREFERENCES = "-1" |
| 22:26.54 | likewise | s/PREFERRER/PREFERRED/ |
| 22:26.54 | likewise | ah yes |
| 22:27.07 | mreimer | likewise: oops, drop the trailing 'S', I think |
| 22:28.32 | Kristoffer | Must say the new site layout is quite impressive |
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| 22:29.32 | florian | re |
| 22:30.07 | gremlin[it] | hi florian |
| 22:30.45 | mreimer | hey Spyro |
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| 22:32.36 | likewise | mreimer: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1594 |
| 22:32.41 | likewise | mreimer: adds cairo 1.3.2 |
| 22:32.50 | mreimer | likewise: thanks! |
| 22:33.11 | likewise | mreimer: where are you deploying cairo on? (Quite busy myself with cairo as well!) |
| 22:33.29 | mreimer | likewise: just using it on my hx4700 |
| 22:33.59 | likewise | mreimer: ok. my girl has a hx4700 on lend for her work. My fingers are tingling to flash it... :-) |
| 22:34.05 | mreimer | :-) |
| 22:34.20 | mreimer | likewise: you can boot from haret, so you don't have to flash :-) |
| 22:34.27 | likewise | haret? |
| 22:34.36 | mreimer | likewise: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET |
| 22:35.46 | likewise | mreimer: thanks, didn't know this. Another device, too little time. |
| 22:40.45 | RP | Kristoffer: I am around now... |
| 22:41.53 | hrw | wb RP |
| 22:44.10 | Spyro | hi RP |
| 22:44.17 | Spyro | hi mreimer! |
| 22:44.18 | RP | hi Spyro, hrw |
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| 22:47.05 | mreimer | likewise: cairo 1.3.2 works for me :-) Now to rebuild gtk+ 2.10.6 without the pangoxft2 patch... |
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| 22:47.42 | koen | I bet xft is still loads faster as cairo, but we can only know by testing :) |
| 22:47.44 | likewise | mreimer: I just uploaded a MTN diff instead of the seperate .bb and .patch, like koen told me. |
| 22:48.41 | mreimer | likewise: shall I go ahead and commit it? I see no reason not to commit it |
| 22:49.02 | likewise | mreimer: sure. I have no commit access so go ahead if you have those rights. |
| 22:49.49 | Kristoffer | RP, got it fixed. Had a problem configuring alsamixer :D |
| 22:50.35 | mreimer | koen, likewise: the new tessellator didn't make it into 1.3.2. :-( |
| 22:51.01 | likewise | mreimer: it is still in a seperate branch, right? Maybe a new GIT checkout bitbake recipe will do? |
| 22:51.02 | koen | hrm |
| 22:51.23 | mreimer | "I ended up not throwing the new tessellator into the 1.3.2 snapshot. I had gotten it to be 1.5x faster on world_map, but I also got the same 1.5x speedup on the old tessellator with the same custom quadrilateral tessellation fix. |
| 22:51.27 | likewise | or be a little bit more patient. The new tesselator is not always better AFAIK |
| 22:51.41 | mreimer | likewise: I think you're right, on both counts |
| 22:52.20 | likewise | mreimer: I truely hoped the new tesselator to be a factor higher faster, but it seems not yet. |
| 22:52.34 | likewise | mreimer: Carl is also looking at completely removing the tesselator |
| 22:52.44 | mreimer | likewise: interesting |
| 22:53.18 | likewise | mreimer: it does not make much sense to triangulate if there is no triangles hardware support (everything except high-end GPUs) |
| 22:53.33 | mreimer | likewise: agreed |
| 22:54.00 | likewise | mreimer: so I suspect the 'span" approach of freetype could be used. But my graphics knowledge is not as in-depth as the cairo hackers. |
| 22:54.16 | likewise | s/the/that of the/ |
| 22:56.21 | hrw | likewise: 3dfx had triangles, S3 Virge3D also had them |
| 22:56.39 | likewise | hrw: sure: every GPU has them, but do our targets have them? |
| 22:56.45 | hrw | I remember old Amiga times when those cards were highend in Amiga machines |
| 22:57.20 | hrw | likewise: my current target rather does not have. its just 4M gfx chipset |
| 22:57.38 | koen | i2700g and i.mx31 have '3d' |
| 22:57.46 | koen | and omap3 |
| 22:58.29 | likewise | koen: I think cairo needs opengl interfacing to the cards in order to really benefit from hw accel |
| 22:58.52 | likewise | koen: or one has to write a custom driver / cairo backend for it |
| 22:59.10 | likewise | hrw: Ahh Amiga. |
| 22:59.33 | likewise | hrw: The totally unbloated machine. |
| 23:01.12 | koen | likewise: like glitz? |
| 23:02.37 | hrw | likewise: amiga with ppc604/233 and Permedia2 was quite nice machine |
| 23:03.31 | likewise | hrw: never got a PowerPC :-/ |
| 23:03.50 | likewise | hrw: but aiming to work with the PowerPC 8343 soon |
| 23:04.15 | hrw | likewise: neither do I - it was cheaper and better to drop amiga and switch to x86 for me |
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| 23:05.04 | likewise | hrw: same here, although even years later I still could not do a smooth real-time Scala - like broadcast presentation on an x86 system... |
| 23:05.28 | hrw | guys: how to isntall something on RHEL? no yum, no apt-get |
| 23:05.43 | koen | rpm -qipl foo.rpm? |
| 23:06.00 | hrw | koen: you forgot --force-lack-of-depends |
| 23:06.28 | koen | haven't used rpms since mandrake 6 |
| 23:07.01 | hrw | I since RedHat 5.1 unofficial Amiga port 8 years ago |
| 23:07.02 | Spyro | gah, my git was way out of date... |
| 23:07.26 | Spyro | I ditched RPM 8 years ago too (on arm) |
| 23:07.29 | hrw | Spyro: now you need to re-port just ported e740? |
| 23:08.42 | hrw | I'm curious does someone warned siemiens sx1 guys before pavel machek started hacking on it.. |
| 23:09.19 | Spyro | hrw: ? |
| 23:09.46 | hrw | Spyro: joking |
| 23:10.03 | Spyro | hrw :) |
| 23:10.25 | koen | hrw: he hasn't bothered the openezx just either |
| 23:10.37 | koen | sadly lkcl did show up |
| 23:10.49 | hrw | Spyro: you ported e740 to current, now you say that your tree was old, so... |
| 23:11.04 | Spyro | hrw: no my git binaries were old |
| 23:11.10 | hrw | koen: maybe he fear "I'm GPL" guy |
| 23:11.26 | Spyro | it was looking like it updated when I pulled it but it didnt so it got out of date. was using like 1.1.3 !!! |
| 23:12.38 | likewise | goodnite guys, cya tomorrow |
| 23:15.27 | hrw | btw - someone tried to use pata_pcmcia instead of ide-cs? |
| 23:17.41 | koen | nope |
| 23:17.48 | koen | I should try the libata stuff soon |
| 23:17.54 | hrw | 12-9 = 15:20 |
| 23:18.09 | hrw | koen: I use libata on my home machine (PATA devices) |
| 23:18.38 | hrw | 9h time differency between me and customer hurts. |
| 23:19.16 | hrw | from one side it is good - I can use most of bandwidth during their night |
| 23:19.36 | hrw | but if need to discuss something I have to be during late evening online |
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| 23:25.15 | gerwinin | Compiling per-native takes forever : |
| 23:25.17 | gerwinin | : |
| 23:25.19 | gerwinin | :( |
| 23:26.21 | hrw | perl-native? |
| 23:26.30 | gerwinin | hrw: yes |
| 23:27.18 | hrw | was quite fast here |
| 23:27.35 | hrw | ~hail haerwu business for giving me amd64 |
| 23:27.41 | ibot | ACTION bows down to haerwu business for giving me amd64 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:27.42 | hrw | ;D |
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| 23:29.57 | hrw | You can logoff, but you can never leave. -- Nina Liedtke, "CyberJoly Drim" |
| 23:30.11 | hrw | so its time for me to logoff to bed |
| 23:30.19 | RP | 'night hrw |
| 23:31.01 | gerwinin | night hrw |
| 23:31.09 | hrw | weekend will be work, work, work |
| 23:31.27 | hrw | but it will be OE related work |
| 23:31.51 | koen | mreimer: cairo stuff committed in a slightly modified fashion |
| 23:32.08 | mreimer | koen: great, was just about to do that. thanks |
| 23:32.16 | mreimer | koen: seems to be working here |
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| 23:39.38 | *** join/#oe CIA-4 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx) |
| 23:42.16 | raduga | ~hail ibot for being ibot |
| 23:42.23 | ibot | ACTION bows down to ibot for being ibot and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:42.30 | koen | mreimer: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=libcairo2 |
| 23:42.31 | raduga | ibot: yes you are |
| 23:42.46 | koen | raduga: just say ~botsnack :) |
| 23:42.57 | raduga | ~koensnack |
| 23:43.19 | koen | "Upgrading libcairo2 on root from 1.2.4-r2 to 1.3.2-r0..." |
| 23:43.55 | hrw | ~emulate raduga |
| 23:44.01 | hrw | cu |
| 23:45.06 | raduga | hrw: to emulate raduga would be to transform yourself into something lame and worthless |
| 23:45.30 | raduga | hrw: but, have a nice time, being gone |
