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| 02:34.34 | CIA-4 | h2200: Remove kernel as explicit dependency. |
| 02:34.34 | CIA-4 | * task-base depends on kernel, so that's how it is pulled in. |
| 02:34.34 | CIA-4 | * Other machines don't have such explciit dependency. |
| 02:34.34 | CIA-4 | * Part of general clean up of configs for hh.org-based machines. |
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| 02:46.13 | CIA-4 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7b0b1b3e... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h2200.conf): |
| 02:46.13 | CIA-4 | h2200: Remove mtd-utils utils from MACHINE_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 02:46.13 | CIA-4 | * mtd-utils are not h2200-specific, so have no place in its machine config. |
| 02:46.13 | CIA-4 | * Should be really be part of MACHINE_FEATURES, or, much better, part |
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| 02:46.14 | CIA-4 | utils which can trash flash into the user images). |
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| 07:16.25 | hrw | hi mickeyl |
| 07:16.28 | hrw | *yawn* |
| 07:16.34 | mickeyl | hey! |
| 07:16.37 | mickeyl | you up so early, too? |
| 07:16.58 | hrw | XorA|gone: wrt54gl is what you need. but search for wrt54slgl (kind of that name) which has usb host |
| 07:17.11 | hrw | mickeyl: Ania wake at 6 and left at 7 |
| 07:17.25 | hrw | during weekend I will go to am64 land |
| 07:17.42 | mickeyl | hrw: cool. you need to do two things: |
| 07:17.45 | hrw | now need to build kernel which will boot on anything |
| 07:17.49 | mickeyl | 1.) BUILD_ARCH=i686 |
| 07:17.57 | mickeyl | 2.) modify uname binary to emit i686 |
| 07:18.05 | mickeyl | if you don't do that, your builds will fail sooner or later |
| 07:18.13 | hrw | oe builds? |
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| 07:18.39 | mickeyl | yeah. these are the two things I had to do get building distros on x86_64 machines |
| 07:19.27 | mickeyl | just keep it in mind once you run into problems |
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| 07:19.34 | mickeyl | perhaps you have more luck with a stock system :) |
| 07:19.43 | hrw | mickeyl: I did builds on amd64 without such messing |
| 07:19.53 | mickeyl | really? were they using 64-bit or 32-bit userland? |
| 07:19.56 | hrw | 64bit modes |
| 07:19.59 | mickeyl | aah |
| 07:20.01 | mickeyl | cool |
| 07:20.09 | mickeyl | the machine i need to use is running 32-bit userland |
| 07:20.16 | hrw | cbrake has such machine - I was fixing python building on it |
| 07:20.43 | hrw | bug was in tk - lack of one dependency ;D |
| 07:20.50 | mickeyl | ah :) |
| 07:20.57 | mickeyl | you know what... hardware sucks |
| 07:21.05 | mickeyl | we have a demo on tuesday next week |
| 07:21.15 | mickeyl | and just came a mail from shanghai |
| 07:21.28 | mickeyl | "sorry guys, due to a PCB problem, the touchscreen on all your boards will never work" |
| 07:21.31 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 07:21.34 | hrw | ;((( |
| 07:21.59 | hrw | crap |
| 07:22.15 | mickeyl | now i need to think about an alternative controlling the touchschreen via serial. i have no idea at this point |
| 07:22.25 | mickeyl | or else we can only show X booting |
| 07:22.26 | mickeyl | heh |
| 07:22.53 | hrw | mickeyl: progear has touchscreen on serial |
| 07:22.56 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: hrw meant the WRTSL54GS (took me some time to find the right one) |
| 07:23.06 | hrw | thx rwhitby |
| 07:23.28 | rwhitby | http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2005/10/20/linksys_product_preview_/ |
| 07:23.29 | mickeyl | hrw: yeah, well, hardware modification is out of discussion. i need to think about feeding some events via a serial protocol into x. perhaps with uinput!? |
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| 07:26.55 | hrw | shit. I have to remove one mainboard from list. CM6501 audio is not supported by alsa |
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| 07:47.34 | hrw | socket939 is cheap solution but finding board in shops is other thing.. |
| 07:51.53 | mickeyl | i'm totally out of the loop regarding desktop hardware... |
| 07:52.07 | mickeyl | my dual xeon workstation will not be replaced before 2008 |
| 07:53.06 | hrw | its fast enough |
| 07:53.27 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 07:53.51 | mickeyl | even my windows machine with 2.4 P4 is ok for all stuff i do on it. office kind |
| 07:54.03 | hrw | yesterday I discovered that I never bought complete pc |
| 07:54.09 | mickeyl | heh |
| 07:54.10 | mickeyl | never? |
| 07:54.12 | hrw | never |
| 07:54.27 | hrw | amiga 600 -> amiga1200 -> pc1 -> pc2 -> now will be pc3 |
| 07:54.34 | hrw | pc1 got hdd, cd from a1200 |
| 07:54.52 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 07:54.53 | hrw | pc2 got cd, cdrw, hdd from pc1 and got new hdd |
| 07:54.54 | mickeyl | cool. |
| 07:55.02 | mickeyl | i bought two in the 90s |
| 07:55.05 | hrw | pc3 will get cpu and mainboard replaced |
| 07:55.06 | mickeyl | c64 -> amiga 1000 -> no name PC -> no name PC -> self-built ... |
| 07:55.29 | hrw | I will maybe write something about on blog |
| 07:55.46 | mickeyl | my experience with complete systems is horrible |
| 07:55.57 | mickeyl | most are utterly bad configured |
| 07:56.04 | mickeyl | (windows, that is) |
| 07:56.08 | hrw | mickeyl: by complete I mean 'self built complete' |
| 07:56.29 | mickeyl | aah |
| 07:56.29 | mickeyl | i thought bought |
| 07:56.29 | mickeyl | so all your PCs are self-built? |
| 07:56.34 | hrw | all one |
| 07:56.47 | hrw | all were self-built |
| 07:56.52 | mickeyl | cool. i didn't try that in the early years |
| 07:56.57 | hrw | I always had 1 computer |
| 07:57.09 | hrw | mickeyl: I switched to x86 6 years ago |
| 07:57.32 | hrw | 1995 - amiga 600 + 425M hdd |
| 07:57.55 | mickeyl | yeah, the 600 with hdd was a powerful model. in my amiga days HDs weren't there |
| 07:57.58 | hrw | ~1998 - a1200 |
| 07:58.05 | hrw | 2000 - duron600 |
| 07:58.45 | hrw | 2003 - athlon 1.8GHz |
| 07:58.55 | hrw | 2006 - athlon64 1.8 or 2.0GHz |
| 07:59.30 | hrw | brb |
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| 08:02.48 | hrw | re |
| 08:06.57 | mickeyl | wb |
| 08:07.07 | mickeyl | OT: gimp on windows is working pretty ok |
| 08:08.37 | hrw | if someone want to be a windows man |
| 08:09.56 | mickeyl | hehe. well, Sabine has some statistical tools + office remote login that only works on windows... I have some expensive music software that only runs on windows. that's the reasonss why my main(non-devel) machine still runs Windows |
| 08:10.13 | hrw | ;) |
| 08:12.49 | hrw | PAL/NTSC mainboard jumper.. |
| 08:13.19 | hrw | but the most interesting thing is always 'factory reserved' jumpers |
| 08:13.30 | mickeyl | heh, yeah |
| 08:15.04 | hrw | mickeyl: will your secret device have jtag connector? |
| 08:16.38 | hrw | the bad thing is that mATX boards usually lack connectors in 'cd-in' format. |
| 08:17.12 | hrw | The 9-pin connector at location J7 is for connecting a serial port. The |
| 08:17.12 | hrw | serial por t cable is an optional item and must be purchased |
| 08:17.12 | hrw | separately. Your serial port may come mounted on a card-edge |
| 08:17.15 | hrw | fsck. |
| 08:17.43 | mickeyl | hrw: the prototype model has one soldered, but I doubt that the production models will have one. However... we have the schematics, so if someone wants to solder one, it will be possible :) |
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| 08:23.52 | hrw | time to go t work |
| 08:23.54 | hrw | cu |
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| 08:29.12 | NAiL | morning likewise |
| 08:29.16 | NAiL | & rwhitby :) |
| 08:29.39 | likewise | good morning fooks |
| 08:29.53 | rwhitby | hey NAiL |
| 08:31.17 | mickeyl | morning |
| 08:31.23 | likewise | Does anyone know where psyco for dapper is? |
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| 08:44.58 | NAiL | likewise: Isn't it in the standard repo? |
| 08:45.07 | NAiL | (are you running anything else than x86?) |
| 08:45.15 | likewise | Opening synaptic again |
| 08:45.18 | likewise | x86_64 |
| 08:45.27 | NAiL | it's x86 only |
| 08:45.32 | likewise | tnx |
| 08:45.48 | NAiL | I found out the same on my edgy box ;) |
| 08:45.59 | likewise | which is 64 bit? |
| 08:46.15 | NAiL | yeah |
| 08:50.30 | hrw|work | re |
| 08:54.08 | tkp | morning |
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| 09:02.29 | ade|desk | morning all |
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| 09:20.51 | likewise | morning |
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| 09:24.47 | RP | morning all |
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| 09:26.06 | XorA|gone | hey RP |
| 09:26.40 | XorA | ~lart ubuntu |
| 09:27.37 | XorA | it'll teach me not to check the default partitioning scheme |
| 09:30.42 | hrw|work | hi RP XorA likewise ade|desk tkp |
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| 09:34.38 | giel | ping? |
| 09:34.40 | giel | okay, nm me |
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| 15:16.39 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | BitBake 1.4.4 and BitBake 1.6.0 have been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org | Bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Metadata: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/ |
| 15:18.59 | cbrake | 64bit gentoo works for me. |
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| 15:43.20 | XorA | ~fish lrg |
| 15:43.23 | ibot | ACTION slaps lrg around with a large trout |
| 15:44.54 | XorA | ~kipper lrg |
| 15:44.56 | lrg | ah a large trout |
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| 15:45.20 | XorA | ~prod lrg |
| 15:45.21 | ibot | ACTION zaps lrg with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 15:45.33 | Genesis | yop liam |
| 15:45.43 | lrg | smoke me a kipper and I'll be back for breakfast ! |
| 15:47.37 | mikearthur | http://mikearthur.co.uk/cg.tar.bz2 |
| 15:47.43 | mikearthur | finished :D |
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| 15:58.55 | XorA | Genesis: http://www.ydc.co.uk/yop/ |
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| 16:00.47 | mickeyl | guys |
| 16:01.02 | mickeyl | say someone has an influence about a next-gen smartphone design |
| 16:01.08 | mickeyl | what CPU would you recommend? |
| 16:01.21 | lrg | mx31 |
| 16:01.49 | mickeyl | i was afraid of that |
| 16:01.53 | XorA | AMD 4x4 :-D |
| 16:01.54 | lrg | mickeyl: it's arm11 with vfp & 3d |
| 16:02.00 | mickeyl | lrg: it's very far from mainline isn't it? |
| 16:02.24 | ade|desk | mickeyl: just as an app cpu ? |
| 16:02.26 | lrg | mickeyl: a little, although I have some bb for it with 2.6.18 |
| 16:02.33 | mickeyl | lrg: how's the support for all the multimedia stuff? i heard they still have closed a lot of specs. |
| 16:02.44 | mickeyl | ade|desk: yes, just as AP. BP will be something different |
| 16:02.50 | lrg | mickeyl: it's powerVR based |
| 16:03.07 | lrg | mickeyl: best to speak to mallum about that |
| 16:03.19 | mickeyl | lrg: will do. i'm going to meet him on monday |
| 16:03.55 | Genesis | XorA, : yeap it's good the yop :) |
| 16:04.05 | Genesis | i buy 3 bottle per month |
| 16:04.10 | Genesis | :) |
| 16:04.43 | Genesis | mickeyl, : freescale sux for mainline |
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| 16:05.17 | Genesis | they don't like opensource ... |
| 16:05.24 | lrg | Genesis: this is changing, there are people working on this.... |
| 16:05.47 | mickeyl | cool |
| 16:06.03 | XorA | when lrg and I tested it, mx31 plays mpeg 1 video without accelleration at only 40% cpu load |
| 16:06.08 | mickeyl | woah |
| 16:06.08 | Genesis | i work on the mx21 since march , |
| 16:06.13 | lrg | Genesis: although, they are not working on mx21 :( |
| 16:06.22 | XorA | pxa270 with same video is 120% load |
| 16:06.46 | Genesis | lrg, : oki |
| 16:07.06 | Genesis | mickeyl, : are you on the matchbox mailing list ? |
| 16:07.31 | mickeyl | Genesis: not yet |
| 16:07.42 | Genesis | today a french guy was writing about launch his phone manufacturer company |
| 16:07.43 | mickeyl | XorA: heh. me and GL? |
| 16:07.57 | XorA | Genesis: that was on gpe list as well |
| 16:08.00 | Genesis | yes |
| 16:08.02 | Genesis | right |
| 16:08.05 | XorA | Genesis: I think he is dreaming personally |
| 16:08.07 | mickeyl | remember the name? |
| 16:08.22 | Genesis | guillaume fortaine |
| 16:08.24 | XorA | Guillaume FORTAINE |
| 16:08.30 | Genesis | prem's |
| 16:08.31 | Genesis | :P |
| 16:10.18 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:10.20 | mickeyl | doesn't ring a bell |
| 16:11.58 | XorA | mickeyl: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/gpe/current/5673.html |
| 16:12.10 | mickeyl | XorA: thanks |
| 16:12.13 | hrw|work | speaking about kdrive... |
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| 16:12.23 | hrw|work | xorg 7.3 will have input-hotplug |
| 16:12.26 | mickeyl | uh oh |
| 16:12.31 | mickeyl | hrw|work: cool! |
| 16:12.45 | XorA | hrw|work: sweet |
| 16:12.46 | florian_kc | nice |
| 16:13.00 | XorA | now some non crashingness is neede |
| 16:13.01 | XorA | d |
| 16:13.15 | mickeyl | well, if all that comes out from this guy is gpe improvements, this is fair enough |
| 16:13.37 | mickeyl | i'm not believing in anyone producing commercial grade hardware without backing of a huge company |
| 16:13.44 | mickeyl | see the pocketpenguin project is dead as well |
| 16:13.48 | XorA | mickeyl: it didnt look like a flier to me, getting investment for that is never going to happen |
| 16:13.54 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 16:14.15 | XorA | walk into bank, I want to beat Nokia, goodbye dont let door hit you |
| 16:14.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 16:15.42 | XorA | as ETSI are a bunch of stuckup arse bandits |
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| 16:16.31 | Genesis | french are boomers |
| 16:18.41 | hrw|work | http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/tech/x/input-hotplug-2006-11-02-15-19.html |
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| 16:41.27 | koen|gprs | good morning all |
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| 16:42.13 | koen|gprs | hey XorA |
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| 16:53.56 | koen|gprs | ibot: botmail for pH5: http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/tech/x/input-hotplug-2006-11-02-15-19.html |
| 16:54.08 | Genesis | bye |
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| 17:50.07 | sirfred | Hello |
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| 18:19.36 | florian_kc | i don't think so |
| 18:21.51 | hrw | ok |
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| 18:31.37 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:38.04 | dfoley | mickey|lunch: you there ? |
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| 18:47.16 | zecke | lol |
| 18:47.19 | zecke | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6543561770.html |
| 18:47.26 | zecke | XorA|gone: wow, did you vote for it? |
| 18:47.46 | zecke | ljp: and the greenphone ships since one month? |
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| 18:48.19 | zecke | koen|gprs: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6543561770.html |
| 18:48.29 | zecke | koen|gprs: and it ships for one month already :} |
| 18:48.55 | hrw | cu |
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| 18:50.36 | koen|gprs | zecke: heh |
| 18:52.14 | zecke | oh http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/greenphone-src.php |
| 18:53.47 | chouimat | 1.9MB??? |
| 18:53.50 | koen|gprs | zecke: I don't get it |
| 18:54.12 | koen|gprs | zecke: "Click on the 'K' menu icon on the lower left of the task bar" |
| 18:54.17 | koen|gprs | which K? |
| 18:54.31 | koen|gprs | I have a blue apple on the only bar on my screen |
| 18:54.50 | koen|gprs | zecke: and the usb drive doesn't mount under /mnt |
| 18:55.11 | zecke | koen|gprs: your version of Unix must suck |
| 18:55.15 | zecke | koen|gprs: ask for a refun |
| 18:55.19 | zecke | off to the gym |
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| 18:59.50 | ljp | koen: you need to install the SDK then |
| 19:00.27 | ljp | perhaps you didnt read the instructions |
| 19:01.04 | ljp | or the title that reads "Instructions for installing Qtopia Source code into the Greenphone SDK" |
| 19:02.11 | ljp | chouimat: thats qtopia application sources only. |
| 19:02.52 | chouimat | ljp: ok so I have to get the iso too? |
| 19:03.57 | ljp | iso doesnt come with sources, libqtopia and friends have not yet been released as gpl |
| 19:04.12 | chouimat | k |
| 19:04.13 | ljp | doesnt come with qtopia sources, that is |
| 19:05.46 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: so is this the first step to the long awaited GPL qtopia ? |
| 19:06.36 | chouimat | hvontres|poodle: s/long awaited/mythical :) |
| 19:07.44 | ljp | sorta. 4.2 is being refactored |
| 19:08.45 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: So now at least the lawers are happy and we're just waiting for the coders to finish? |
| 19:10.25 | ljp | pretty much |
| 19:10.53 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: Better than the other way around :) |
| 19:13.27 | ljp | true that |
| 19:15.08 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: so currently, we can get the source for the apps, but not for the libraries, correct? |
| 19:16.10 | ljp | yep |
| 19:17.34 | chouimat | better than nothing I guess |
| 19:20.03 | raduga | can we get the source to your brain? |
| 19:20.19 | raduga | (can't begin to imagine how we'd compile it, though) |
| 19:21.53 | ljp | you need the sdk |
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| 19:54.58 | gremlin[it] | anyone know if someone have already do some work on OE to support small NAS such as Synology SC 406 ? it have inside a ppc cpu 8xxx, i don't remember the model ... |
| 19:55.25 | NAiL | not to my knowledge |
| 19:55.39 | NAiL | atleast not anything that's been talked about on ds101-linux |
| 19:56.20 | NAiL | (And I can't say I've heard about it here either) |
| 19:58.38 | NAiL | Infact, none of the synology products have had any work done in OE. Only nslu2-linux optware. |
| 20:02.56 | gremlin[it] | NAiL yes ds101 use the same cpu and probably the whole board don't differ so much ... there is a site about linux fos such devices ? |
| 20:04.15 | NAiL | the ds101 and ds101j uses an ARM CPU. Teh rest of the NAS boxes uses ppc. |
| 20:04.24 | NAiL | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/HomePage |
| 20:04.42 | NAiL | also, groups.yahoo.com. ds101-linux |
| 20:06.28 | gremlin[it] | ops ... a site for the ppc NAS ? |
| 20:06.52 | NAiL | the link is both for ARM and ppc |
| 20:07.07 | NAiL | as well as the yahoo group |
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| 20:09.22 | NAiL | I'm not familiar with th SC 406, but I imagine it's mostly the same as the previous NAS'es |
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| 20:11.21 | gremlin[it] | yes probably ... i'm thinking to buy one of them, the firmware seem really powerfull but probably it can do more with a custom linux ... such as have a usb adsl modem :) |
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| 20:12.03 | NAiL | you might have problems getting an usb adsl modem running without updating it to a 2.6-kernel |
| 20:12.25 | NAiL | and in that case, you'll have to work a fair bit getting the kernel running |
| 20:13.02 | NAiL | Ask in the group. Someone might know about it ;) |
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| 20:15.17 | gremlin[it] | sure sure i whould jump to kernel 2.6 .. now i'm looking if tha board have a serial (yes) and a jtag so any kind of experiment will be safe :) |
| 20:15.41 | NAiL | good idea ;) |
| 20:16.02 | NAiL | I'll probably start working on a ppc distro for NAS in a little while |
| 20:16.32 | NAiL | I'm getting a freescale-based nas, 82xx. I want to run 2.6 on it :) |
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| 20:17.32 | kantlivelong | hey RP, im curious on what it takes to get apm working correctly for 2.6... could you possibly fill me in? |
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| 20:27.53 | gremlin[it] | NAiL if i buy a SC-406 i'll be a your tester and/or help u :) |
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| 20:54.36 | pH5 | hey koen|gprs |
| 20:56.17 | koen|gprs | hey pH5 |
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| 21:00.53 | REdOG | has anything changed with the usbnet driver between 2.6.9 and 2.6.17 that differs in which modules need to be loaded in order for usb networkign with a SL-6000 zaurus? |
| 21:01.11 | REdOG | everything used to work and now I cannot seem to get usb0 on the pc |
| 21:02.27 | NAiL | gremlin[it]: great ;-) |
| 21:04.06 | gremlin[it] | i see some picture of SC101G+ ... is have so easy connector for serial and jtag ... i hope sc406 would be tha same :) ... |
| 21:06.47 | NAiL | My guess would be that serial is the same |
| 21:07.11 | NAiL | (ie, 3.3v) |
| 21:07.30 | NAiL | I've never been able to get proper JTAG info out of Synology :-\ |
| 21:08.20 | gremlin[it] | there is a 8x2 connector with JTAG wrote on top ... mhhh strange :( |
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| 21:16.56 | hvontres|poodle | ~botmail to XorA|gone : Did you ever get a chance to look into adding Master Volume to asoc? |
| 21:26.44 | hvontres|poodle | ~botmail check |
| 21:33.01 | XorA|gone | zecke2: that looks like a fake award to me, trolltech werent even at linuxworld |
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| 21:37.41 | psokolovsky | bitbake.conf:SRC_URI = "file://${FILE}" |
| 21:37.44 | psokolovsky | funky |
| 21:41.12 | XorA|gprs | mning |
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| 21:46.04 | Laibsch | Are QA problems such as "ERROR: QA Issue: non dev package contains .so: qte-mt"reported automatically or should one open a bug report about it? |
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| 21:49.27 | hvontres|poodle | XorA|gprs: Did you ever get a chance to look into adding Master Volume to asoc? |
| 21:55.25 | XorA|gprs | hvontres|poodle: i got as far as compiling the mixers. a task this morning took longer than i thoguht |
| 21:55.44 | XorA|gprs | hvontres|poodle: still on my todo though |
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| 22:16.31 | hvontres|poodle | ~botmail check |
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| 22:21.50 | florian | re |
| 22:24.59 | ljp | ya, Trolltech is faking awards.... puh |
| 22:25.31 | ljp | Trolltech might support you guys more if you werent so hostile |
| 22:25.51 | ljp | frankly I am quite sick of some of the attitudes |
| 22:25.56 | florian | ljp: uh? |
| 22:25.56 | Crofton | TT might support them if they lowered their standards .... |
| 22:26.15 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.09 | florian | :-) |
| 22:28.07 | ljp | sounds like to me a few oe devs are jealous of TT |
| 22:28.33 | florian | ljp: why should oe people be jealous? |
| 22:28.51 | ljp | i dont know, it just appears like that to me |
| 22:29.38 | ljp | same stupid crap going on that happened with handelds.org |
| 22:31.05 | florian | ljp: now i start to become nosy... tell me the whole story |
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| 22:35.11 | REdOG | when setting up a z with usbnet on a bridgeed host do I have to do anything to allow its dhcp to get to the dhcpserver? |
| 22:35.18 | REdOG | the server never gets the discovers |
| 22:38.08 | florian | ljp: you always stop to talk when it starts to get interesting, right? |
| 22:40.57 | ljp | i was hoping to get some official support from trolltech for oe, but I am finding recommending it difficult because of the anti trolltech attidues so prevalent here |
| 22:41.20 | Crofton | The TT guys talk to several OE guys |
| 22:41.35 | ljp | some. but not officially |
| 22:41.48 | Crofton | the TT guys know who to talk wrt to OE |
| 22:41.58 | ljp | i would even do work on oe, but the attidues are very discouraging |
| 22:42.14 | ljp | which is why I stopped |
| 22:42.34 | florian | ljp: how does this relate to hh.org? |
| 22:43.41 | ljp | same people same attidues |
| 22:44.16 | kergoth | hm? come back when you've got a clue about the reasons behind behavior, rather than continuing to spout unfounded nonsense, thanks. |
| 22:44.19 | florian | ljp: what do you know about hh.org? |
| 22:45.03 | ljp | heh. ya attidues |
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| 22:45.31 | kergoth | yes, i have an attitude towards people talking about things they clearly lack any real understanding of |
| 22:45.36 | kergoth | deal with it |
| 22:45.51 | ljp | heh |
| 22:46.39 | florian | ljp: I really get the impression that you are one of the major reasons of bad attitude... i remember your braindead gpe related articles, your annoying mails to the maemo mailinglists... and now this here. |
| 22:46.55 | ljp | riiight |
| 22:47.49 | florian | ljp: you have no idea about handhelds.org, right? |
| 22:48.00 | ljp | i do have an idea about that |
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| 22:49.07 | kergoth | clearly not one founded on the actual events. |
| 22:49.40 | ljp | ya, right. you know how to read minds, hey |
| 22:49.44 | Crofton | I don't know diddly about the situation, but I believe this sums it up |
| 22:49.56 | Crofton | no one wants to work with an old verion of qt/e |
| 22:50.12 | ljp | actually. your wrong there |
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| 22:50.41 | ljp | and what does that have to do with attitudes |
| 22:50.44 | florian_ | re |
| 22:50.50 | Crofton | let me re-phrase no one currently actively working on oe wants to work with an ancient qt/e |
| 22:50.52 | florian_ | time to get a new laptop :-/ |
| 22:50.55 | Crofton | heh |
| 22:50.57 | Crofton | me too |
| 22:51.00 | kergoth | fyi, ljp, someone who's supposed to act as an interface between two communities is not supposed to become so obviously biased |
| 22:51.09 | kergoth | try to gain some objectivity, then what you say might actually get listened to |
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| 22:51.14 | kergoth | until then, good luck |
| 22:51.21 | Crofton | who is ljp? |
| 22:52.06 | ljp | you only think I have become biased. i find more bias comes from community people |
| 22:52.18 | Crofton | who are you? |
| 22:52.24 | ggilbert | He's ljp |
| 22:52.31 | ljp | qtopia community manager and opei core developer |
| 22:52.33 | ggilbert | an opie developer and trolltech employee |
| 22:52.33 | florian_ | Crofton: the trolltech community manager :-) |
| 22:52.40 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 22:53.07 | kergoth | if ljp actually said something objective once in a while, rather than spouting marketing bullshit, that'd be a start |
| 22:53.17 | ljp | puh |
| 22:53.21 | kergoth | i could play buzzword bingo with ljp's mailing list posts all day |
| 22:53.35 | Crofton | ljp it is really simple |
| 22:54.04 | Crofton | we are all doing this for basically nothing other than knowledge gained that may benfit us in the future |
| 22:54.16 | Crofton | the future is not an acient version of qt/e |
| 22:54.36 | ljp | this does not have anything to do with any version of qt/e |
| 22:54.59 | ljp | it has to do with attitudes |
| 22:55.02 | Crofton | like I said, I don't know anything other than I watched a guy waste 2 months fiddling with opie |
| 22:56.06 | kergoth | I've watched trolltech make claims about releasing this or that for what, years now, with no actual result. all they spout is vapor. you expect people to not be pissed off? |
| 22:56.35 | ljp | trolltech isn't just one person |
| 22:57.50 | ljp | and most vapourware comes from our customers not releasing whatever devices they are working. you should know about htat, kergoth |
| 22:58.09 | XorA|gone | ljp: That was humour not attitude |
| 22:58.32 | ljp | perhaps |
| 22:58.37 | florian_ | ljp: and what do you think attitudes come from? /dev/null? |
| 22:58.49 | ljp | clear bias |
| 22:58.51 | XorA|gone | ljp: I have nothing against TT, please dont paint me with your own hostility |
| 22:59.01 | ljp | ok. fair enough |
| 22:59.21 | kergoth | ljp: i'm talking about what happened, i'm not saying there weren't reasons for it. stop making excuses. the fact is, the failure to release reflects badly on trolltech, whether it's their fault or not. |
| 23:01.38 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 23:01.45 | florian_ | hi CoreDump|home |
| 23:03.19 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: fwiw, I am looking forward to a version of opie/qtopis that I can use current tools to develop for :) |
| 23:04.20 | florian_ | hvontres|poodle: That makes me dream about linux 2.6 based cellphones ;) |
| 23:04.21 | ljp | agreed. |
| 23:04.55 | mickey|lunch | ljp: the TT/embedded FOSS community relationship is wrecked thanks to how bad the last years went. Stop talking, start releasing and start finding new FOSS guys to jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps things will turn out better this time. |
| 23:04.57 | mickey|lunch | b'night |
| 23:05.18 | florian_ | mickey|zzZZzz: good night |
| 23:05.42 | hvontres|poodle | florian: heh...but you can have a 2.6 powered PDA now :) |
| 23:05.54 | florian | hvontres|poodle: that's true :-) |
| 23:06.28 | hvontres|poodle | florian : now if we can get kdrive to be happier in 32MB... |
| 23:07.33 | florian | hvontres|poodle: i really need to take some time to improve this, especially on the zaurus devices. |
| 23:10.25 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: I guess at this point, code would speak much louder than words :)... or if it builds, they might come :) |
| 23:11.49 | florian | I don't hink this solves the problem of communication and trust in each other... what saves one to run into the same bad situation after a new release? |
| 23:11.49 | sirfred | Good night |
| 23:14.23 | hvontres|poodle | florian: hmmm, I wonder how the KDE people manage... |
| 23:15.46 | hvontres|poodle | florian: I just figue that they must have figured out a way to deal with TT as well... |
| 23:17.42 | florian | hvontres|poodle: Is there someone different at tt responsible for the QT/X community relations? |
| 23:20.02 | ggilbert | I would imagine so |
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| 23:21.26 | ggilbert | Though the KDE/QT relationship probably makes QTtx a bit different than than Qt/e |
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| 23:27.20 | ljp | forian: Knut Yrvin is the devtools (Qt/X11) community manager |
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| 23:31.29 | sergio | hello |
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| 23:33.00 | sergio | i have the followin error, when try to build xf86-video-savage: |
| 23:33.05 | sergio | bitbake xf86-video-savage |
| 23:33.08 | sergio | ... |
| 23:33.22 | sergio | | checking for /dri.h... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling |
| 23:33.27 | sergio | ... |
| 23:33.55 | ljp | hvontres: it would also help if TT didn't perceive the linux embedded FOSS community as being hostile |
| 23:34.26 | ggilbert | You have a chicken and egg problem here |
| 23:34.44 | ggilbert | the embedded community is hostile because they don't think trolltech gives a damn |
| 23:35.00 | ggilbert | trolltech doesn't give a damn because they think the embedded community is hostile |
| 23:35.21 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: as a relative newbee it seems that for such a small community there is a lot of fragmentation. |
| 23:35.31 | ljp | yep. thats where I come in.. community with both sides, as if the voice of the other |
| 23:35.47 | ljp | err, I mean communicate |
| 23:35.49 | sergio | i have similar error with xf86-input-mouse, in this case there were entity file for documentation.. |
| 23:36.23 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: of course the small size of the community makes one or two vocal memebers that much more powerfull.. |
| 23:36.40 | sergio | could anybody help me? |
| 23:38.40 | ggilbert | ljp: and the perception, whether it's true or not, of some people in the community is that they think you're not being objective. Which limits what you can effectively accomplish |
| 23:40.17 | ljp | well, perhaps part of that is because they cannot see what I represent for them from within trolltech |
| 23:41.41 | kergoth | that's almost certainly true. talk is cheap |
| 23:44.54 | florian | sergio: nasty... you need to fix the build system of that package or just disable this test (e.g. with the site file if possible)and make sure the file is in place. |
| 23:47.40 | florian | ljp: just keep in mind that "the community" consists of many individuals with different attitiudes and opinions. you are in the position to represent a single opinion - if you do that well you will be able to achieve really much. |
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| 23:49.12 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: Maybe you can shed more light on your activities on behalf of the FOSS community. I think a lot of the current attitude from the devs stems from the lack of tangible progress towards an updated qt/e |
| 23:49.50 | ljp | true. proof is in the puddin, as they say. |
| 23:51.22 | ljp | but I would not say, 'we will lhave a GPL release within the next few weeks', if it weren't so. management concurs with me. |
| 23:51.44 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: True. |
| 23:52.10 | raduga | ljp: i await the puddin |
| 23:52.17 | ljp | me as well |
| 23:53.24 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: But on the other hand, why not have a GPL'd rc that the FOSS community can test and help improve? Not only would it make the new version more tangible, it would also have given the FOSS community more of a sense of being important |
| 23:53.47 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: plus you could have gotten some "free" testing time..:) |
| 23:53.56 | ljp | agreed. |
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| 23:55.53 | raduga | its a shame that management is still concerned about protecting their assets, and continuing to profit by them |
| 23:56.26 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: and most of the FOSS community are kind of used to "not quite ready for prime time" software...:) |
| 23:56.30 | ljp | TT is a business, which finances the development and release of FOSS |
| 23:56.37 | raduga | ljp: i know :) |
| 23:57.04 | ljp | and since we floated, even more so |
| 23:57.46 | hvontres|poodle | ljp: heh..thats why I love working for a private company...next quarter is not the end of our horion...:) |
| 23:59.20 | ljp | but, then again, TT is not your typical business |
| 23:59.57 | ljp | which goes back to ... I would like to see TT officially support oe, but .... |