| 00:01.02 | likewise | Does this sound like a familiar error during rootfs? ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied |
| 00:03.34 | emte | doesnt sound like a familiar error |
| 00:03.46 | emte | unless your silly enough to be using .dev |
| 00:04.01 | likewise | emte: yes, I am. |
| 00:04.09 | emte | poor you |
| 00:04.26 | emte | good luck, you will need it |
| 00:04.44 | likewise | emte: any other senseful branch you would recommend? |
| 00:04.56 | emte | its only ~6/7 months out of sync with the actual familiar git branches |
| 00:05.59 | emte | the oz, opensimpad, angstrom distros are active in the main OE repo |
| 00:08.14 | psokolovsky | likewise, that message is "normal". so, ignore it. |
| 00:08.31 | likewise | psokolovsky: but it breaks my build |
| 00:08.55 | psokolovsky | likewise, are you sure it does? |
| 00:10.03 | likewise | psokolovsky: I am building an image, but is not generated with this error. |
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| 00:11.34 | likewise | psokolovsky: ok, my image contains taskbootstrap with an extra library, and this seems be to hard to do right. |
| 00:11.54 | likewise | emte: familiar and OE are developed separately? |
| 00:11.56 | JustinP | likewise: I doubt that is breaking your build, it's a normal error. If it's breaking look for another error msg. |
| 00:12.08 | JustinP | likewise: familiar broke with OE for some vague and unknown reasons |
| 00:12.12 | emte | likewise, i am unsure how to awnser that |
| 00:12.15 | psokolovsky | likewise, well, that "error" means that OE's ipkg-native tries to break the cage, and fish for its data in your "desktop" system's dir. As long as you don't run OE as root, you can safely ignore that. |
| 00:12.33 | emte | familiar is a distro, OE is a Metadata system |
| 00:12.42 | JustinP | emte: git? sounds like the familiar devs weren't patient enough...monotone has gotten far far faster |
| 00:12.54 | psokolovsky | likewise, closest thing you can do is to post error report on some URL, and someone can look at it |
| 00:13.39 | likewise | psokolovsky: ok, solved it. DEPENDS "freetype" IPKG_INSTALL = "libfreetype6" instead of "freetype" was the fix. |
| 00:13.59 | psokolovsky | likewise, Nice ;-) |
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| 00:15.25 | likewise | psokolovsky: tnx for explaining that "ipkg-native tries to break the cage" |
| 00:15.49 | likewise | psokolovsky: I could not deduce why it would try to do that. |
| 00:16.38 | psokolovsky | likewise, so, it has that path unpatched ;-( unpleasant, but not critical - i.e. "normal" (in quotes! ;-) ) |
| 00:17.07 | likewise | emte: but does familiar GIT sync with OE at all, or vice versa? |
| 00:17.23 | emte | umm |
| 00:17.27 | likewise | psokolovsky: Is there a path patch for ipkg? |
| 00:17.41 | emte | partially, when erik or psokolovsky move stuff over |
| 00:17.50 | emte | otherwise , no |
| 00:18.03 | psokolovsky | likewise, someone should make it ;-) but noone did yet as there're more important things to do ;-) |
| 00:18.29 | psokolovsky | emte, good catch, that *is* on my todo ;-) |
| 00:19.10 | likewise | emte: so familiar proceeds on its own mostly, and you think it is more stable because of that? any good cooperation between camps? |
| 00:19.42 | likewise | psokolovsky: So, this affects ipkg-native, right? /usr/lib/ipkg should not be searched for, right? |
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| 00:20.04 | emte | it currently has more QA behind it and is moving towards rebuilding it's past development priorities from what i understand |
| 00:20.06 | likewise | psokolovsky: In what direction do you sync familiar<>oe? |
| 00:20.35 | likewise | emte: but is it usable for anything else than handhelds? |
| 00:20.52 | emte | yes and no |
| 00:20.53 | likewise | emte: ixp4xx, ep93xx, x86 etc? |
| 00:20.57 | emte | it depends what you want |
| 00:21.14 | psokolovsky | likewise, as very few (like one) people have access to Familiar repo, only Fam->OE.dev sync is possible. Note: I intend to help with sync. |
| 00:21.30 | emte | i would say it is not supporting the push towards eabi that the main OE distros are supporting |
| 00:22.03 | likewise | emte: I am mainly interested in X-less graphics packages (cairo, librsvg, freetype) at this moment. |
| 00:22.57 | emte | i dount the x11r7 stuff is in the familiar git repo then |
| 00:23.00 | emte | doubt* |
| 00:24.49 | likewise | emte: read X-less, no X :-) |
| 00:25.15 | emte | x11r7 does not mean XFree or Xorg |
| 00:26.33 | likewise | emte: oh? Pls. explain |
| 00:27.11 | emte | its a base display library that XFree and Xorg use |
| 00:27.25 | emte | i am guessing other things use it as well |
| 00:27.34 | emte | like freetype |
| 00:28.36 | emte | hmm altho looking at it now it seems the xorg foundation is forcing themselves into it |
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| 00:29.55 | likewise | emte: no I --disable all support for X when configuring packages. At least that's what I stick my time in. |
| 00:29.55 | T0mW | am I correct in assuming that a statement like 'BOOTSTRAP_IMAGE_RDEPENDS += "blah" comes into scope when bootstrap-image.bb is built? As bootstrap-image.bb exports 'IMAGE_BASENAME', then IMAGE_BASENAME forms the association between bootstrap-image.bb and BOOTSTRAP_IMAGE_RDEPENDS ? |
| 00:30.38 | T0mW | e.g. if I built a different image, then BOOTSTRAP_IMAGE_RDEPENDS would be ignored? |
| 00:32.09 | T0mW | err, I meant BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 00:34.57 | psokolovsky | T0mW, well, common sense would say otherwise - bootstrap iameg to be the base for all other images |
| 00:35.21 | T0mW | psokolovsky: never assume |
| 00:35.46 | psokolovsky | T0mW, but there's no magic there, and it is configurable somewhere explicitly, so maybe different for different distros or something |
| 00:36.11 | T0mW | psokolovsky: so, you are saying that it is conincidental that there is also a bootstrap-image.bb and a variable called BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS ? |
| 00:36.43 | T0mW | IOW, BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS is meaningless within the context of the bootstrap-image? |
| 00:37.08 | psokolovsky | T0mW, well, there's no hard-coded dependency between them ;-) It's just humans' convention to call related things similarly ;-) |
| 00:37.29 | psokolovsky | T0mW, what exact "other" image of interest to you? |
| 00:37.37 | psokolovsky | and what distro you use? |
| 00:38.06 | T0mW | psokolovsky: ok, that's what I wanted to know if there was a sed statement someplace splitting up the bootstrap-image.bb name and then looking for vars of that prefix. thanks |
| 00:38.39 | psokolovsky | T0mW, using OE.dev, right? |
| 00:38.42 | T0mW | so, there is explicit use of naming instead of implicit naming. |
| 00:38.44 | T0mW | yeah |
| 00:39.26 | T0mW | implicit naming would end up with a pile of rules someplace, I guess. |
| 00:41.18 | psokolovsky | T0mW, see tasks/task-bootstrap.bb |
| 00:41.33 | T0mW | I see that now. |
| 00:42.05 | T0mW | OE is too big to handle without 'find . -type f | xargs fgrep ...' :/ |
| 00:42.35 | psokolovsky | T0mW, oh, you just repeating common complaint about BB/OE.dev. Nope, rules are good, and move from imperative to declaritive specification is natural in development of any system. Ask anyone who worked with AI ;-) |
| 00:42.58 | psokolovsky | T0mW, "grep -r" works nice ;-) |
| 00:43.06 | T0mW | heh |
| 00:43.26 | T0mW | I've just gotten too use to automagically typing the other phrase |
| 00:46.48 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r13af2119... 10/ (1 packages/apex/apex_1.4.5.bb packages/apex/nslu2/defconfig): apex: Updated to 1.4.5 |
| 00:46.53 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r853612d1... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: Updated to svn repo rev after layout revert. Enanced svnpatch to take a configurable kernel repo path. |
| 00:48.59 | T0mW | heh, "time bitbake bootstrap-image" comes up with "2421.36user 735.29system 42:43.40elapsed 123%CPU". 123% of CPU time eh? I've got to spawn more threads to keep this X2 busy. |
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| 03:29.11 | T0mW | ~apex |
| 03:29.13 | ibot | [apex] a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
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| 03:54.49 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 03:58.55 | leoncamel | morning ~!. :) |
| 03:58.55 | leoncamel | is there any working man ? |
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| 04:17.47 | hvontres|home | leoncamel: Probably not... it's 6:17 am on Sunday in Europe right now :) |
| 04:18.32 | leoncamel | hvontres|home, :). so . how about your this weekend ? |
| 04:19.00 | T0mW | hvontres|home: midnite in Pennsylvania |
| 04:19.29 | hvontres|home | just doing some maintnace on my Linux box right now. No OE plans :) |
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| 08:37.14 | CIA-9 | 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r6ff34826... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 08:37.14 | CIA-9 | busybox: drop in an mdev patch from busybox.net |
| 08:37.14 | CIA-9 | slugos-init: add in module loading logic for NSLU2 |
| 08:37.14 | CIA-9 | * Maintainers with other ixp4xx devices should follow suit |
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| 10:05.05 | lrg | morning all |
| 10:05.45 | koen | hey lrg |
| 10:08.37 | pH5 | morning lrg, koen |
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| 10:16.54 | koen | hey pH5 |
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| 11:15.37 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 11:20.43 | likewise | CoreDump|home: good day |
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| 11:51.56 | koen | re |
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| 11:59.45 | zecke | RP: hey |
| 11:59.53 | zecke | RP: I'm hooking up a guy on poky ATM |
| 12:01.15 | koen | zecke: you're in dublin right now? |
| 12:01.38 | zecke | koen: yeah, and two more hours for my talk :} |
| 12:01.40 | zecke | *shiver* |
| 12:02.10 | koen | don't forget to put the slides online at oe.org :) |
| 12:02.18 | zecke | koen: it is not about OE ;) |
| 12:02.38 | zecke | koen: I'm hooking up j5 with poky so he can take a look at dbus on ARM |
| 12:02.53 | koen | :) |
| 12:05.05 | zecke | scared |
| 12:06.20 | koen | zecke: can you point j5 to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7675 ? |
| 12:07.27 | zecke | koen:I think we have talked about this |
| 12:07.41 | koen | zecke: and http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2006-September/msg00023.html should interest you as well |
| 12:08.09 | zecke | too much to read now |
| 12:09.13 | koen | gnome-vfs as it exists today will be gone |
| 12:09.13 | koen | the mail discusses the new design parameters and moving it partially into a glib library |
| 12:09.50 | koen | now you can quote the maintainer on the suckiness in your presentation :) |
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| 12:35.14 | balle | hi |
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| 13:42.29 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:46.47 | CIA-9 | 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5cb09053... 10/ (1 packages/linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers_2.6.18.bb): linux-libc-headers: add 2.6.18, generated by make headers_install |
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| 13:50.10 | koen | pH5: yay! |
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| 13:58.49 | koen | pH5: anything I need to know before trying to use the new linux-libc-headers? |
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| 14:01.03 | XorA|gone | koen: the world my implode into a singularity |
| 14:01.08 | pH5 | koen: I didn't build a whole image against this yet, so after glibc you're on your own. |
| 14:01.12 | koen | ah, cool |
| 14:01.12 | pH5 | hey XorA|gone :) |
| 14:01.52 | koen | pH5: I was hoping to use it for uclicb |
| 14:03.39 | pH5 | koen: even better. let me know if it works :) |
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| 14:06.38 | koen | hey mikearthur |
| 14:07.58 | mikearthur | koen: yo |
| 14:08.04 | XorA | koen: have you investigated why busybox mount barfs when mounting in init scipts? |
| 14:08.37 | XorA | hey mikearthur |
| 14:08.45 | mikearthur | yo XorA |
| 14:09.03 | koen | XorA: I haven't, but busybox svn has seen *a lot* of commits last week in mount/ |
| 14:09.23 | XorA | koen: cool, I know why its ps doesnt work and should a a ten secs hack |
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| 14:12.38 | koen | XorA: http://busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-September/024681.html might interest you |
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| 14:15.40 | koen | XorA: what was the problem with 'ps'? |
| 14:16.54 | XorA | koen: busybox ps doesnt accept -e but -e is actually its default behaviour so just adding e to its opts should fix it for out start scripts |
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| 14:28.16 | cyrilRomain | morning all |
| 14:30.43 | likewise | cyrilRomain: hi there |
| 14:33.23 | cyrilRomain | hey likewise |
| 14:39.27 | den-ros | cyrilRomain: hi |
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| 15:01.55 | XorA_ | koen: hmm, zaurusd should RDEPEND on procps as it uses "ps -e x" |
| 15:05.43 | koen | XorA_: you mean devmand ;) |
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| 15:12.54 | koen | ~botmail for zecke: what about adding http://www.openembedded.org/firstproject to the usermanual? |
| 15:14.07 | XorA | cappin connect |
| 15:14.46 | XorA | koen: I patched busybox ps only to find the x arg is needed to be ignored as well, damn ps with its non standardness |
| 15:15.02 | koen | welcome to linux |
| 15:15.03 | XorA | koen: technically anything that calls ps -e x whould RDEPEND on procps in my mind |
| 15:15.21 | XorA | koen: so far gpe-dm and zaurusd I see |
| 15:16.19 | koen | or patch them to comply with the busybox ps |
| 15:17.51 | XorA | koen: or that way |
| 15:19.02 | XorA | although that would make them fail on real ps |
| 15:19.12 | XorA | busybox ps is kinda dumb |
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| 15:31.06 | koen | XorA|gon1: i've added the rdepends for the time being |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf2b7d4ea... 10/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-9 | gpe-dm: RDEPEND on procps: |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-9 | * anything that calls ps -e x should RDEPEND on procps |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-9 | * patching it to work with busybox ps would make them fail with the real ps |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-9 | * also drop obsolete versions |
| 15:31.39 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7b27f36d... 10/ (1 packages/zaurusd/zaurusd_svn.bb): |
| 15:31.39 | CIA-9 | zaurusd: RDEPENDS on procps |
| 15:31.39 | CIA-9 | * anything that calls ps -e x should RDEPEND on procps |
| 15:31.42 | CIA-9 | * patching it to work with busybox ps would make them fail with the real ps |
| 15:32.41 | XorA|gon1 | koen: ok, I just patched up busybox ps to not barf on -e x (I think) I also found the mount-all patch didnt get ported to 1.2.1 so I shall look into that |
| 15:35.09 | XorA|gon1 | anyway I should go help cook dinner |
| 15:35.16 | XorA|gon1 | finish with this later |
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| 16:52.42 | hrw | morning |
| 16:52.47 | koen | hey hrw |
| 16:53.31 | hrw | hi koen |
| 16:53.37 | hrw | ~hail last.fm |
| 16:53.42 | ibot | ACTION bows down to last.fm and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:53.52 | hrw | my new way to nice free music |
| 16:54.26 | koen | 'bitbake starling' for a OE last.fm client :) |
| 16:54.46 | pgfeller | can I use OE also to build during development (sources which may change from one minute to the other) - or does it only make sense for more "stable" sources |
| 16:54.48 | pgfeller | ? |
| 16:54.57 | hrw | ~lart gnumeric for lack of OpenDocument |
| 16:55.46 | koen | pgfeller: 'bitbake -b foo.bb -c compile -f' ? |
| 16:57.40 | pgfeller | koen: how do I point to the source? @ the moment I used CVS - but SF has a delay between my commits & updating the public repo :-( ... is there an easy way to point to my local src? |
| 16:58.04 | koen | kergoth had a hack for that a while back |
| 16:58.05 | hrw | SRC_URI = "file://my-source-dir/*" |
| 16:58.15 | hrw | I used such thing months ago |
| 16:58.29 | pgfeller | koen & hwr: thanks :-) |
| 16:58.43 | hrw | "Entrepreneur" - I will not use that work on OEDEM |
| 16:59.00 | chouimat | hi hrw koen |
| 16:59.07 | koen | ~spell Entrepreneur |
| 16:59.12 | koen | hey chouimat |
| 16:59.15 | hrw | hi chouimat |
| 16:59.31 | koen | hmm, /me starts adding 'r's to the document he's working on |
| 16:59.38 | hrw | entrepreneur is probably one of french words in english |
| 16:59.44 | koen | ~lart 'entrepeneur' |
| 16:59.52 | hrw | koen: instead of z? |
| 16:59.57 | hrw | rgcc |
| 17:00.18 | koen | I was thinking about getting icecream to work natively |
| 17:01.49 | chouimat | rgcc? |
| 17:02.05 | koen | chouimat: ~95% of my mp3 collection has the original as CD next to my desk :) |
| 17:02.29 | chouimat | koen me too ... but ripping 3000 audiocds is not my idea of fun :) |
| 17:02.41 | chouimat | hrw: entrepreneur is french :) |
| 17:03.10 | koen | couchon is french as well |
| 17:03.19 | chouimat | make openslug |
| 17:03.23 | chouimat | ooops :) |
| 17:04.49 | hrw | chouimat: many words in english are from french |
| 17:05.02 | hrw | Polish has many words from German, Russian |
| 17:05.39 | chouimat | hrw: I know ... and since I'm french canadian I have the habit of using the french pronociation even when I speak english :) |
| 17:05.52 | hrw | ;)) |
| 17:07.27 | hrw | ok. time to start impress (oo.o impress) and learn how it work |
| 17:07.49 | hrw | SIGABRT.. |
| 17:08.15 | koen | start it, go eat lunch, watch it load, go out for dinner, start clicking |
| 17:09.34 | hrw | ooihrw@home:~$ ooimpress |
| 17:09.34 | hrw | This should only happen once |
| 17:09.35 | hrw | ** (process:22679): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
| 17:10.49 | hrw | ~spell analysis |
| 17:11.08 | koen | ~spell hrw |
| 17:11.26 | hrw | ~hrw |
| 17:11.27 | ibot | i heard hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ |
| 17:11.40 | hrw | ibot: hrw is also Human Rights Watch |
| 17:11.41 | ibot | hrw: okay |
| 17:11.45 | hrw | ~hrw |
| 17:11.46 | ibot | you are, like, Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/. Human Rights Watch |
| 17:11.58 | hrw | heh.. |
| 17:12.51 | hrw | ibot: no, hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ but also Human Rights Watch organization (both not related) |
| 17:12.53 | ibot | okay, hrw |
| 17:13.34 | likewise | ~hrw |
| 17:13.35 | ibot | i heard hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ but also Human Rights Watch organization (both not related) |
| 17:13.41 | likewise | check |
| 17:14.04 | likewise | ibot: likewise is Leon Woestenberg, in case someone cares. |
| 17:14.05 | ibot | likewise: okay |
| 17:14.10 | pgfeller | hrw : I do get "task do_unpack: failed" when using the file:// SRC_URI (but the files are in the ${WORKDIR}) - do I have to overwrite do_unpack()? |
| 17:14.25 | likewise | It's good to have at least one friend here :-) |
| 17:14.47 | koen | do_unpack() { |
| 17:14.49 | koen | } |
| 17:15.21 | hrw | ~help emulate |
| 17:19.19 | koen | ~emulate hrw |
| 17:19.48 | hrw | I cannot be emulated |
| 17:21.07 | koen | ~emulate hrw |
| 17:21.08 | ibot | ACTION I cannot be emulated |
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| 17:32.45 | hrw | ARGH |
| 17:33.06 | hrw | oo impress cannot get (copy/paste) chart from oo calc? |
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| 17:37.00 | emte | no, you need to save and import |
| 17:37.43 | emte | remember that oo is cross plat, there is no way that copy-paste would work |
| 17:38.10 | emte | unless you loaded up all of the OO system |
| 17:38.18 | emte | which would be a huge resource load |
| 17:38.18 | hrw | crap |
| 17:38.34 | hrw | emte: ooimpress is 250M |
| 17:38.38 | hrw | I define it huge |
| 17:38.47 | hrw | %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 17:38.49 | hrw | 22793 hrw 0 0 228m 126m 71m S 0.0 12.5 1:10.19 soffice.bin |
| 17:38.50 | emte | try loading the whole OO suite |
| 17:39.19 | hrw | emte: how? debian has them split |
| 17:39.39 | emte | you cant, it was more of an illustration of why that feature doesnt work |
| 17:40.02 | emte | it is now even disabled in windows after MS lost thier lawsuit for code theft |
| 17:40.20 | emte | and everyone's version of MS Office is illegal |
| 17:40.38 | hrw | heh.. just had crash of oo.. |
| 17:41.13 | emte | anyway, just export/save your chart as an image :) |
| 17:41.48 | hrw | emte: then maybe I will get some sheets of paper, few crayons and will do it without computer |
| 17:41.51 | hrw | ? |
| 17:41.53 | chouimat | wow .... this is so against "normal way of work" |
| 17:42.04 | hrw | but it would be harder to show using beamer |
| 17:43.16 | emte | lol |
| 17:43.23 | emte | why? |
| 17:43.26 | koen | hrw: use your digicam |
| 17:43.30 | emte | use a scanner or digicam |
| 17:43.51 | emte | but you better stay in the lines :P |
| 17:44.10 | hrw | heh.. MS Paint is best programmers friend |
| 17:44.30 | chouimat | hehehe |
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| 17:44.43 | emte | not (gasp) diag? |
| 17:44.44 | hrw | I remember times when I used ms paint to draw all temporary icons in websites |
| 17:44.53 | emte | er dia* |
| 17:44.59 | chouimat | hrw: or you can learn graphviz or metapost ;) |
| 17:45.30 | koen | latex-beamer |
| 17:45.44 | hrw | koen: looks like it will end on it |
| 17:45.50 | hrw | then latex-charts |
| 17:45.54 | emte | anyway this talk of OO reminds me i need to print out a chart |
| 17:46.00 | hrw | tex-umba tex-umbaumba etc... |
| 17:46.10 | emte | texmacs |
| 17:46.11 | emte | :) |
| 17:46.16 | hrw | kile rather |
| 17:46.18 | chouimat | hmmmm sound like debian ... |
| 17:46.34 | hrw | chouimat: Debian here since slink |
| 17:47.02 | emte | slinky slinky, makes you think of stinky |
| 17:47.04 | emte | :P |
| 17:47.35 | chouimat | hrw: gentoo and t2 here ... since it seems a lot of distros are making moronics decisions lately :) |
| 17:49.42 | emte | t2? |
| 17:49.52 | chouimat | emte: t2-project.org |
| 17:50.07 | emte | reminds me i should reinstall chaos |
| 17:50.17 | hrw | kind of concurrent project to OE |
| 17:50.18 | chouimat | emte: kind of openembedded for desktop use :) |
| 17:50.34 | hrw | competitive |
| 17:50.38 | hrw | I meant |
| 17:52.00 | emte | t2 looks interesting ... maybe i'll give it a spin before reinstalling chaos |
| 17:53.23 | emte | ah, ROCK is based on it |
| 17:53.59 | hrw | ~kill oo |
| 17:54.00 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged tachyon gun at oo |
| 17:54.19 | hrw | morons |
| 17:54.21 | hrw | idiots |
| 17:54.35 | emte | interesting comment about OE by T2 |
| 17:54.41 | hrw | url? |
| 17:54.46 | emte | OpenEmbedded is quite a young project focusing just on the embedded use-case as well. Due the ever-changing nature of OE and the requirement to obtain many seperate components as well as the need to install the build tool bitmake into the system makes OE way harder to use than T2. |
| 17:54.51 | emte | http://t2-project.org/faq.html |
| 17:55.22 | emte | someone should send them a spelling correction for bitbake |
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| 17:55.57 | hrw | let me quote one developer... |
| 17:56.35 | hrw | "I tried to use T2 but after waiting 1h after 'make menuconfig' kind of command I killed it and removed from harddrive" |
| 17:56.54 | emte | lol |
| 17:57.58 | emte | so he was building the kernel pn a p90 ? |
| 17:58.00 | emte | on* |
| 18:02.21 | hrw | rather something faster |
| 18:02.38 | hrw | fscking oo.org |
| 18:03.38 | hrw | this 'app suite' looks similiar to each other but it looks like no one in teams never discussed with other devteams (not mentioning users tests) |
| 18:04.22 | hrw | "if you want to add chart then use 'insert chart'. if you want to edit default values then enter all of them." |
| 18:04.29 | hrw | but I want to COPY |
| 18:04.32 | hrw | argh |
| 18:05.53 | hrw | texts can be drag/drop calc->impress.. but no charts |
| 18:06.01 | koen | hrw: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A contains some nice ideas on how an office suite should work |
| 18:06.12 | koen | (ignore steve jobs, he's just being annoying) |
| 18:06.45 | ggilbert | hrw: In star divisions defense, several different teams have hacked up oo.o since they wrote it |
| 18:06.49 | hvontres|home | pgfeller: any luck with fbvncserver? |
| 18:07.04 | hrw | koen: for me that kind of apps should allow normal user to be able to click, enter text, click, add pictures, charts, save |
| 18:07.50 | hrw | ggilbert: for user (like me now) it can even be written by dwarfs or cinderella & company |
| 18:08.30 | pgfeller | hvontres: ... @ the moment I'm fighting to use OE during development instead of x-toolchain ... - the Keyboard seems to work via uinput - but I still rely on tssimd (which I would like to get rid of as well) |
| 18:08.42 | hrw | ggilbert: I prefer to not have to run torrent search with 'ms office warez with serial' query |
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| 18:08.55 | koen | pgfeller: 'bitbake devshell' |
| 18:09.48 | emte | .... |
| 18:09.52 | hvontres|home | pgfeller: I am still up for testing on poodle. do you want me to PM you my email? |
| 18:09.53 | emte | what is OO Oasis? |
| 18:10.45 | pgfeller | hvontres: yes please |
| 18:11.14 | emte | hmm another opendoc format |
| 18:17.11 | hrw | Alchemy is mips? |
| 18:17.49 | koen | hrw: yes |
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| 18:25.01 | chouimat | hrw: try koffice :) |
| 18:28.19 | hrw | chouimat: I'm not so mad |
| 18:28.36 | hrw | chopstix: I'll wait for koffice 2010 |
| 18:28.50 | chouimat | hrw: 1.6 works really well |
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| 18:30.33 | hrw | chouimat: 1.6-totalbetanotyetreleased? |
| 18:30.50 | hrw | or 1.6-we-need-kde4-release-first? |
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| 18:31.43 | chouimat | hrw: 1.6-beta1 it's still kde3 ... 2.0 will be kde4 ... |
| 18:32.01 | chouimat | hrw: beta1 was released on sept 10 ... |
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| 18:33.05 | hrw | chouimat: last time when I started kspread it needed more time then oocalc to be ready to use. not to mention 'wait i need to refresh because i did not do that in last minute' hangups |
| 18:33.55 | koen | kspread sounds like somthing you'd put on bread |
| 18:34.11 | hrw | chouimat: I use gnumeric to view excels, oocalc to edit all spreadshits. I have kspread installed only to get thumbnails of oocalc files |
| 18:35.31 | chouimat | hrw: I don't have use for spreadshit ... and for all my tex I use kate or kile ... I find latex and context better than any wordprocessor :) |
| 18:36.05 | hrw | chouimat: at work I usually get excel or msword files |
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| 18:37.15 | chouimat | hrw: I have openoffice installed but I use it as a viewer ... and I just setup my email server to reject any ms office documents ... |
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| 18:48.12 | hrw | german music can be scary... blümchen and her percussion automat... |
| 18:48.46 | likewise | hrw: which song/band is that? |
| 18:49.36 | hrw | likewise: Blümchen |
| 18:49.54 | hrw | likewise: she was popular ~6-8 years ago |
| 18:56.01 | hrw | koen: hc4700 is htc baby? |
| 18:56.07 | hrw | s/hc/hx |
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| 19:11.07 | koen|away | hrw: almost every ipaq is a htc baby |
| 19:11.19 | koen|away | starting with 3800 iirc |
| 19:11.30 | koen|away | 'asic3' is a htc-ism |
| 19:11.38 | hrw | wanted to be sure |
| 19:14.27 | koen | "I'm not sure I can (from a legal perspective and user sanity point of view) put up a window saying "YOUR BATTERY MAY EXPLODE ANY SECOND!!!" but the wording could do with some work. Comments please." |
| 19:14.28 | koen | cute |
| 19:14.43 | koen | from http://hughsient.livejournal.com/4509.html |
| 19:16.41 | likewise | koen: "Dear Linux user, do you want to walk into the footsteps of Alan Cox? [ Yes | No | Cancel ]" |
| 19:17.19 | koen | that's nog HIG compliant :) |
| 19:17.30 | koen | it's recommended to only use verbs as choices |
| 19:18.02 | likewise | [ Run Away | Eat Thinkpad | Escape Laptop Fire ] |
| 19:18.04 | koen | [ explode | shutdown | explode later ] |
| 19:18.07 | likewise | :-) |
| 19:18.24 | likewise | [ resume explosion ] |
| 19:19.51 | likewise | About his worries: I would make the text something like: "There is a VERY SMALL chance that your laptop will suffer a VERY BIG EXPLOSION in a few seconds. Do you want to check with DELL?" followed by your HIG compliant choices. |
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| 19:25.29 | Kristoffer | Keep atleast a 3meter distance to your handheld before starting it up.. |
| 19:26.05 | Kristoffer | The zaurus nick-names is taken from observation - Spitz (fire).. |
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| 20:23.04 | hrw | ~lart CoreDump|home |
| 20:23.21 | hrw | JustinP: are there any positibe ones about it? |
| 20:26.18 | CoreDump|home | hrw: ouch |
| 20:26.36 | hrw | CoreDump|home: 3.5.4.2/2.4..... |
| 20:26.49 | CoreDump|home | oops |
| 20:26.52 | CoreDump|home | well no |
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| 20:27.02 | CoreDump|home | i used the .1 config+ |
| 20:27.28 | koen | "Hentges 3.5.4.2 Rcs Available" |
| 20:27.43 | CoreDump|home | well, for the "other" machines =) |
| 20:27.45 | koen | that looks like '3.5.4.2' to me |
| 20:27.59 | koen | and for $random brainless user as well |
| 20:28.07 | CoreDump|home | I'll add a note |
| 20:28.39 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/collie/ no mention of .1 |
| 20:28.42 | CoreDump|home | .2 |
| 20:29.21 | koen | "I've uploaded completely untested 3.5.4.2 Hentges images: |
| 20:29.22 | koen | http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/ |
| 20:29.22 | koen | Please note that Akitas version is not T2-RC* but T1-RC1, I only noticed the problem when the upload was finished. |
| 20:29.22 | koen | New machines (spitz / collie) will be added once they are compiled." |
| 20:29.30 | koen | I read that as "3.5.4.2 for collie" |
| 20:30.06 | JustinP | hrw: postitibe ones? |
| 20:30.15 | hrw | positive I meant |
| 20:30.27 | JustinP | it mostly works.... |
| 20:31.12 | hrw | agreed |
| 20:31.17 | hrw | slow but works |
| 20:35.00 | koen | we should finish ipkg-sqlite |
| 20:35.14 | koen | or go with apt+dpkg |
| 20:35.32 | hrw | I would prefer ipkg-sqlite rather |
| 20:36.18 | koen | install/remove isn't too hard to implement |
| 20:36.33 | koen | the juice is in the rrecommends/rreplace/rconflicts handling |
| 20:37.03 | hrw | argh.. |
| 20:37.21 | hrw | I use one closedsource application written with Qt3/x11 |
| 20:37.41 | hrw | gui is so fscked that I wonder does their programers ever tried this app... |
| 20:37.49 | hrw | maybe I should offer them help ;) |
| 20:38.38 | koen | :) |
| 20:39.32 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.32 | hrw | Mem: 1035860 1010852 25008 0 21020 676464 |
| 20:39.32 | hrw | -/+ buffers/cache: 313368 722492 |
| 20:39.32 | hrw | Swap: 996020 96 995924 |
| 20:39.39 | hrw | ~lart memory handling in linux |
| 20:40.07 | hrw | atleast 2 apps can be easily swapped (250M) but they are not... |
| 20:40.29 | hrw | so any app has to wait for memory because something needs to be swapped.. |
| 20:42.06 | koen | hrw: do we want to have ipkg-sqlite use a single db for feed + status, or seperate ones? |
| 20:42.31 | hrw | I vote for two |
| 20:43.04 | koen | 1# prototype in php |
| 20:43.11 | koen | #2 prototype in python |
| 20:43.22 | koen | #3 mangle ipkg |
| 20:44.40 | koen | hrw: how's the dude working on feed-browser doing? |
| 20:45.03 | hrw | no idea |
| 20:45.13 | hrw | problems with moving |
| 20:47.31 | hrw | Linux apps to do taxes etc are not usable or not existing... |
| 20:47.43 | psokolovsky_ | koen: Hi! what's that talk mentioning ipkg-sqlite about? ;-) |
| 20:48.19 | koen | psokolovsky_: hrw and I made feedbrowser using sqlite, which gave us the idea to make ipkg use sqlite as a backend |
| 20:48.49 | koen | to avoid putting the flat file into memory to to a simple depends search |
| 20:49.00 | psokolovsky_ | koen, that's cool idea, I though about that too. But do you indeed want to prototype it in high-level lang? |
| 20:49.05 | koen | and a sqlite3 db is about the same size a a list file |
| 20:49.12 | hrw | psokolovsky_: grep is faster then ipkg currently |
| 20:49.16 | psokolovsky_ | koen: would it be too hard just replace C's ipkg's backend? |
| 20:49.24 | koen | psokolovsky_: I don't know any lowlevel lang |
| 20:49.25 | psokolovsky_ | hrw: I bet! ;-) |
| 20:50.20 | psokolovsky_ | koen: You're kidding, right ;-) It just maybe extra effort - after all, it would be attached to the same old good ipkg, right? |
| 20:50.33 | koen | psokolovsky_: right now ipkg's internals concerning package logic are busted, so I'd like to avoid doing extra work |
| 20:51.27 | psokolovsky_ | koen: but you don't want final version to be in Python, right? (I skip PHP at all ;-) |
| 20:51.55 | koen | php is the only language I know good enough to make progress |
| 20:52.12 | koen | ideally the result is in asm for each arch ;) |
| 20:52.28 | hrw | koen: one of my ideas is: forget about ipkg update - do wget feeds.db instead, and then ipkg-sqlite use feeds.db to tell 'ipkg install URL URL URL URL URL' |
| 20:52.59 | hrw | koen: so all dependencies (to install) are traced by ipkg-sqlite and it use normal ipkg to do install. |
| 20:53.10 | koen | hrw: that was my idea as well, but not all 'external' feeds have a db |
| 20:53.20 | hrw | normal ipkg will not eat lot of mem because it will does not know about size of feeds |
| 20:54.28 | psokolovsky_ | koen, hrw: Anyway, great idea, I'd be glad to help somehow. Just don't know enough about ipkg still. Maybe later, with cleanup/debugging. |
| 20:54.35 | koen | that would leave us with the busted logic |
| 20:55.30 | koen | psokolovsky_: teaching ipkg to link to libbb with busybox >1.2.0 would be a better project right now :) |
| 20:55.34 | hrw | how to tell linux to clean cached stuff? |
| 20:55.51 | koen | hrw: kernel >2.6.16? |
| 20:56.33 | koen | there was some /proc entry for that iirc |
| 20:56.40 | hrw | koen: drop_caches trick does not work... |
| 20:56.47 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.47 | hrw | Mem: 1035860 972700 63160 0 22660 774340 |
| 20:56.47 | hrw | -/+ buffers/cache: 175700 860160 |
| 20:57.02 | hrw | ah.. |
| 20:57.13 | hrw | I have to find where most of that memory goes.. |
| 20:58.59 | hrw | bbl |
| 20:59.05 | hrw|gone | n8 |
| 21:00.02 | psokolovsky_ | hrw: Btw, I can second that Linux memory management sux. Lately, I discovered that Linux cannot uncompress tarball which is bigger than memory size. Stupid thing keeps caching stuff in buffers, until it is out of it, and then starts to kill processes. That all of course happens on 64Mb pda. |
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| 21:20.47 | koen | hrw|gone: some people don't seem to have the basic reading skills covered: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/28712.html |
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| 21:57.40 | CIA-9 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r1c51f8e9... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:57.40 | CIA-9 | handhelds-pxa-2.6: Drop 2.6.16-hh6, add 2.6.16-hh7. |
| 21:57.40 | CIA-9 | * Actually, rename. |
| 21:57.40 | CIA-9 | * 2.6.16-hh6 was internal tag, no associated kernel version. -hh7 was |
| 21:57.40 | CIA-9 | tagged recently (in a branch). |
| 22:48.56 | CIA-9 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rac4c6ed5... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:48.56 | CIA-9 | handhelds-pxa-2.6: Split out common bb-code. |
| 22:48.56 | CIA-9 | * Move the code needed to build contemporary versions of kernel to |
| 22:48.56 | CIA-9 | handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc, so it can be reused and maintenance eased |
| 22:48.56 | CIA-9 | (it's nice idea to keep 3-4 major versions around). |
| 22:49.05 | CIA-9 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * refdb31fe... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6_2.6.16-hh5.bb): handhelds-pxa-2.6 2.6.16-hh5: Use handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc. |
| 22:49.10 | CIA-9 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r7efcdf83... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc): handhelds-pxa-2.6.inc: Add h1910 to COMPATIBLE_MACHINE, allow it to be overridable. |
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| 23:20.41 | CIA-9 | 03blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r667ef499... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.18.bb): ixp4xx-kernel: Bump SVN_REV to include full debugging output |
| 23:21.47 | theuns | Has anybody successfully got an OpenEmbedded build to work with ARM/glibc2.4? |
| 23:24.39 | theuns | (In particular, using the new EABI) |
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