| 00:29.52 | joshin | Are OpenSlug and OpenZaurus endian-compatible? I'd like to keep just a single package tree for both if possible. |
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| 07:26.05 | koen_ | good morning all |
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| 07:51.50 | RP | morning all |
| 07:54.00 | koen | hey RP |
| 07:54.13 | lamikr | morning RP and koen |
| 07:54.17 | koen | RP: wanna sign the petition to make days have 36 hours? |
| 07:54.20 | koen | hey lamikr |
| 07:54.29 | RP | koen: That would be useful :) |
| 07:56.09 | lamikr | Yes, and I am wondering why no-one is never teching anything usefull in the schoold or universities. Like soldering workshop for newbie ipaq hackers |
| 07:56.30 | koen | we have soldering workshops |
| 07:56.40 | koen | but then again, I do EE, not CS :) |
| 07:56.56 | lamikr | EE? |
| 07:56.57 | koen | lamikr: do you plan on attending FOSDEM next year? |
| 07:57.03 | koen | Electrical Engineering |
| 07:57.10 | lamikr | Yes I will |
| 07:57.16 | koen | cool |
| 07:58.05 | RP | I was thought of as odd at school as I did welding evening classes at the local college... |
| 07:58.07 | lamikr | Well, I am also more like mathematics and software, but http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/iPAQ-3600/ got me really excited |
| 07:59.02 | lamikr | That would be a nice practice before getting to real stuff (= trying to find jtag pins in h6300...) |
| 08:00.08 | lamikr | Good thing for the end of summer is that fosdem is some months nearer |
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| 08:09.55 | JustinP | ~spitz |
| 08:09.57 | ibot | hmm... spitz is the Sharp SL-C3000, or a dog |
| 08:09.57 | JustinP | ~husky |
| 08:10.00 | ibot | it has been said that husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog |
| 08:10.07 | JustinP | ~borzoi |
| 08:10.08 | ibot | methinks borzoi is the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) |
| 08:10.23 | Ifaistos | morning all |
| 08:10.26 | JustinP | ~3200 |
| 08:10.46 | JustinP | ~terrier |
| 08:10.47 | ibot | terrier is probably Sharp Zaurus SL-C3200, or a dog |
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| 08:49.51 | koen_ | grrr |
| 08:49.53 | koen_ | my AP is disliking my switch |
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| 10:54.56 | mickeyl | morning guys |
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| 10:59.32 | Laibsc1 | good morning mickeyl |
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| 11:09.59 | mickeyl | darn, I'm a developer, not a bookkeeper! |
| 11:14.44 | giel | welcome to corporate life ;P |
| 11:14.58 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 11:15.15 | giel | the days i've spent dealing with the purchasing department... |
| 11:15.33 | mickeyl | it's crazy. i'm just starting as a freelancer and i almost spent 2 weeks on buerocratic stuff now |
| 11:15.37 | mickeyl | ibot: spell buerocratic |
| 11:16.06 | giel | that's french for you ;) |
| 11:16.49 | mickeyl | yea |
| 11:18.19 | koen | mickeyl: can bitbake print all PREFERRED_PROVIDERS? |
| 11:19.42 | mickeyl | isn't bitbake -s doing that and more? |
| 11:20.46 | koen | for some reason bitbake trunk isn't allowing me to build diet-x11 as provider for virtual/libx11 |
| 11:22.04 | koen | mickeyl: it isn't |
| 11:22.57 | koen | ah |
| 11:23.04 | koen | somethings overriding it |
| 11:29.10 | koen | ]WTF? |
| 11:29.11 | koen | NOTE: package pango-1.10.2-r0: task do_package: completedNOTE: package pango-1.10.2: completedNOTE: DBG: Active builds decreased to 2NOTE: package pango-1.14.0-r0: task do_install: completedNOTE: package pango-1.14.0: completed |
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| 11:31.49 | mickeyl | sounds like multithreaded bitbake |
| 11:32.29 | koen | it is |
| 11:32.36 | koen | and it's building 2 versions of pango |
| 11:33.24 | mickeyl | that's not good |
| 11:34.42 | chouimat | morning |
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| 11:35.55 | koen | ah |
| 11:37.27 | koen | PACKAGES_DYNAMIC strikes again |
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| 12:14.51 | mr_nice_slacker | hi all |
| 12:15.10 | Laibsch | gmane.org again carries the OE-devel list. |
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| 12:26.29 | Laibsch | france: Could it be that bugzilla.handhelds.org is not sending out passwords? Have been waiting for mine for about two days. I requested it to be resent just about a minute ago but did not receive anything yet. I checked spam folder. |
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| 12:33.43 | Laibsch | ~seen france |
| 12:34.32 | ibot | france is currently on #gpe #familiar #oe #opie #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 18h 41m 33s, last said: 'thank u :-D'. |
| 12:35.46 | Kristoffer | just re-installed OE database and monotone (back at college computer). Do I need to add key, or is it detected under ?home/.monotone/keys ? |
| 12:36.15 | koen | Laibsch: wrong channel |
| 12:36.34 | koen | Kristoffer: if you are using >0.25 it will be detected |
| 12:38.23 | Kristoffer | oki thx |
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| 13:37.51 | baldurk | hi, I hope I'm in the right channel :). I was wanting to develop apps for openzaurus on my SL5500. I read through the wiki GettingStarted page, and I've got openembedded set up I think, but I'm not quite sure where to go from here. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 13:38.55 | Crofton | edit local.conf |
| 13:39.04 | Crofton | to include correct machine and distro |
| 13:39.15 | Crofton | then bitbake bootstrap-image |
| 13:40.33 | baldurk | ok, that's running now |
| 13:40.50 | baldurk | I'm guessing it's not as simple as just recompiling an existing app with a cross-compiler then? |
| 13:40.58 | Crofton | well |
| 13:41.13 | Crofton | did you check if the app you want to compile already has a bb file? |
| 13:41.27 | Crofton | basically, you need to write a bb file for the app |
| 13:41.29 | baldurk | well the app I want to compile doesn't exist yet, I'm going to write it |
| 13:41.38 | Crofton | if it is autoconf based, it is pretty easy |
| 13:42.16 | Crofton | use autotools, and it will be easy to make the bb file |
| 13:42.32 | baldurk | ok I can do that |
| 13:42.37 | Crofton | once you get the hang of it, it is easy |
| 13:42.45 | Crofton | getting the hang of it is the hard part |
| 13:42.53 | baldurk | that's always the way |
| 13:43.02 | baldurk | I did see an article on bb files in the wiki |
| 13:43.08 | baldurk | I'll have a read through that |
| 13:43.20 | Crofton | I just started by cpying bb files that worked :) |
| 13:43.35 | Crofton | I need to run now, but I am usually about weekdays |
| 13:43.50 | baldurk | thanks for your help |
| 13:44.01 | Crofton | your welcome |
| 13:44.05 | Crofton | good luck |
| 13:44.12 | baldurk | thanks :) |
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| 14:18.21 | pgfeller | hi all |
| 14:18.51 | pgfeller | anyone an idea what I've to add to depends if I miss "qmutex.h" in stage? |
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| 14:52.07 | Ifaistos | koen : hi ! If you find some free time have a look at #1327 #1328 #1346 #1347 |
| 14:53.46 | RP | koen: Is #1359 still valid now you found the problem with the pango.bb files? |
| 14:54.38 | koen | RP: yes |
| 14:55.10 | koen | RP: I can't think of a case where one would build two versions of a PN |
| 14:55.48 | RP | koen: Unless bitbake thought that was the only way to fulfil a set of dependencies... |
| 14:56.32 | RP | koen: I agree its not very obvious but the bitbake behaviour was right - we perhaps should wanr if we notice it happening? |
| 14:58.40 | koen | if bitbake thinks that it should halt and error out |
| 14:58.40 | koen | (in the OE case) |
| 14:58.40 | koen | and about all the 'file exists' stuff on the list: try a clean rebuild |
| 15:00.33 | RP | koen: I'm not sure about halt and error but warning would be nice... |
| 15:00.44 | RP | 'file exists' stuff on list? |
| 15:01.01 | koen | the busybox problem (among others) |
| 15:02.53 | joshin | Is there a reason that cdrtools isn't in packages? There's a -native version. (Looking to see if there are issues with it before trying to make the bb file) |
| 15:03.35 | koen | not that I'm aware off |
| 15:03.42 | koen | try asking eFfeM-log when he gets back |
| 15:03.51 | joshin | okey dokey. Thanks. |
| 15:05.27 | joshin | Koen, did you just fix the busybox build issue with the mv errors? Like an hour ago? Thanks! |
| 15:05.59 | koen | RP: can we exclude RRECOMMENDS from the depgraph? |
| 15:06.27 | RP | koen: Which depgraph? |
| 15:07.05 | koen | the one which bitbake complains about circular deps |
| 15:07.17 | koen | 'bitbake xmms' if you want to know what I'm talking about |
| 15:07.42 | RP | The problem is debian.bbclass which needs to rewrite anything in a RRECOMMENDS |
| 15:07.47 | RP | (the same problem as RDEPENDS) |
| 15:09.05 | koen | *sigh* |
| 15:09.19 | koen | ~lart people complaining about bluetooth |
| 15:09.46 | RP | If I remove bitbake's rreccommends handling, we'll then have bug where rrecommends don't get rewritten by debian.bbclass under certain circumstances |
| 15:09.58 | RP | Basically, I can't win :-( |
| 15:10.53 | koen | actually you can |
| 15:11.21 | koen | by having a do_package_renaming task before do_package |
| 15:11.37 | koen | hmm |
| 15:11.42 | koen | that won't work anymore |
| 15:11.48 | koen | now we stage after packaging |
| 15:12.39 | RP | If we split packaging into two parts, we probably could get something to work |
| 15:13.17 | koen | I have code to enhance the pkgmaps |
| 15:13.55 | CIA-9 | 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r295aed22... 10/ (1 packages/avahi/avahi_0.6.13.bb): avahi: add 0.6.13 |
| 15:14.10 | RP | koen: in the packaged-staging branch? |
| 15:14.11 | koen | do_write_ipk_list in http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.packaged-staging/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass |
| 15:14.16 | koen | RP: yes |
| 15:18.17 | RP | koen: Is there somewhere I can read about the current status of packaged staging? |
| 15:18.45 | koen | yes! |
| 15:18.46 | koen | http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/SoC2006/ |
| 15:21.46 | RP | Interesting. |
| 15:22.11 | RP | I'm not sure "This should be safe for a multithreaded bitbake, given that no two do_stages access staging at the same time." is quite right though? |
| 15:24.48 | tkp | hi guys |
| 15:24.49 | koen | it should read "do_stage may be the only task running" |
| 15:24.53 | koen | hey tkp |
| 15:24.59 | RP | hi tkp |
| 15:25.15 | RP | koen: So we need to add some locking in? :) |
| 15:25.34 | koen | yes |
| 15:25.54 | koen | and a clutter based gui by mallum |
| 15:26.28 | tkp | I'm trying to get my target system mounted as read-only, but /var needs to be a tmpfs. The default oe fstab looks like it is supposed to do this, and I'm running with the default initscripts, yet /var does not appear to actually be a tmps atall |
| 15:26.48 | RP | We need a way to mark a task as exclusive... |
| 15:26.50 | koen | tkp: busybox 1.2.1? |
| 15:26.58 | tkp | koen: yes |
| 15:27.11 | koen | tkp: install the 'real' mount from util-linux |
| 15:27.11 | tkp | is that a problem? |
| 15:27.18 | tkp | really? |
| 15:27.23 | tkp | so this is a known issue? |
| 15:27.25 | koen | yes |
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| 15:27.31 | tkp | ahhh |
| 15:27.45 | koen | mount -a<some other switch> got broken |
| 15:27.49 | tkp | so with that installed, /var will actually be a tmpfs then |
| 15:27.50 | tkp | ahh |
| 15:27.52 | tkp | cool... |
| 15:28.01 | tkp | I've been puzzeling over this for days ow! |
| 15:28.21 | koen | I think pH5 or Xora provided that solution |
| 15:28.33 | tkp | ok, I'll give it a go... |
| 15:30.09 | koen | could you file a bug about that? |
| 15:30.49 | pgfeller | hi all ... can one of you give me a hint why I do not have libqte-mt - but only libqte in staging; thought that .dev is mt? |
| 15:31.00 | tkp | sure |
| 15:31.00 | pgfeller | what do I have to do to get libqte-mt as well? |
| 15:31.29 | koen | sell your soul to the devil^h^h^h trolltech |
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| 15:34.14 | pgfeller | keon: do you have some reservations against tolltech? |
| 15:35.16 | tkp | bitbake -c clean task-stv |
| 15:35.23 | tkp | oops... wrong window! |
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| 15:52.34 | Laibsch | koen; What do you want to tell us with http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1353#c4 ? |
| 15:53.43 | koen | Laibsch: read the mailinglist archives and irc logs |
| 15:54.18 | koen | Laibsch: I don't think people will feel inclined to repeat themselves for the fourth or fifth time |
| 16:02.19 | Laibsch | koen: I do not have time to read ALL of the IRC logs. I guess "bluetooth openembedded" is not going to lead to results fast. Bug 1353 is the only bug report in the tracker about this. |
| 16:02.19 | Laibsch | koen: It also seems not totally unfounded. As such, I can only see a totally unwarranted "plonk" with no further explanation as childish, unconstructive behaviour. |
| 16:02.22 | Laibsch | koen: If you want the openzaurus-ja people to contribute this is NOT the way to go. Your comment might have already done GREAT damage. |
| 16:02.44 | Laibsch | I have warned you guys several times to not act with Japanese people as you do among yourselves! |
| 16:03.29 | Laibsch | s/"bluetooth/googling for "bluetooth/ |
| 16:03.43 | koen | OMG THERE IS STUFF IN THE ROOTFS LOLZORS |
| 16:03.43 | koen | I DONT WANT STUFF |
| 16:04.11 | koen | we've been over 'discussions' like that *over* and *over* again |
| 16:04.30 | Laibsch | koen: You think you are funny? I think some of the discussion were also about the collie rootfs being crammed. |
| 16:04.50 | koen | and? |
| 16:04.51 | Laibsch | As I said, I do not follow all discussions here or on the ML, but did not come across this. |
| 16:05.07 | Laibsch | So, either do not comment or comment constructively. |
| 16:05.19 | Laibsch | Is it so hard to be un-geeky, unarrogant? |
| 16:05.32 | koen | heh |
| 16:05.37 | koen | read what your saying |
| 16:05.45 | koen | and think about it for a moment |
| 16:06.36 | Laibsch | OK |
| 16:06.39 | Laibsch | Now what? |
| 16:07.18 | koen | stop being arrogant and insulting |
| 16:07.22 | Laibsch | I did think about what I wrote. Did you about your stuff? |
| 16:07.29 | Laibsch | I am being arrogant? |
| 16:07.37 | koen | then ask your distribution maintainer why he's shipping what's he's shipping |
| 16:08.25 | Laibsch | This is not an #openzaurus issue. |
| 16:08.40 | koen | it is |
| 16:08.50 | Laibsch | And I can only laugh at your suggestion I am being arrogant. |
| 16:09.04 | Laibsch | Then go ahead and read #openzaurus topic. |
| 16:09.13 | koen | read the topic over here |
| 16:09.29 | koen | "this is still not a distribution support channel" |
| 16:11.22 | Laibsch | This is not about distribution support. I know you (not you personally) always like to play this game about "we are not responsible, go elsewhere" if you run out of arguments or motivation for discussion (-> bug tracker, IRC). If you are serious about this, why did you comment here:(17:09:18) koen: ~lart people complaining about bluetooth ? |
| 16:11.26 | Laibsch | This is pathetic! |
| 16:11.57 | koen | you are complaining that OZ ships 'too much' |
| 16:12.15 | Laibsch | I am discussing |
| 16:12.16 | koen | how is that not OZ related? |
| 16:12.36 | koen | like I said: "then ask your distribution maintainer why he's shipping what's he's shipping" |
| 16:13.14 | koen | I can keep telling you what to do and you can keep insulting me if you want |
| 16:13.21 | Laibsch | I ask YOU to either comment constructively or refrain from commenting. I am saying "please" and I am being friendly. The rest of it is being discussed in the BTS. |
| 16:13.50 | Laibsch | I have NEVER even closely insulted you. I have been friendly unlike you. Plonk is not friendly. |
| 16:14.13 | Laibsch | Especially towards somebody who I guess is a newbie in the OE BTS. |
| 16:14.18 | koen | I'm finding you very insulting |
| 16:14.42 | Laibsch | OK, than I apologize for coming across like that. |
| 16:15.01 | Laibsch | That is not my intention. I want to deescalate, not get ppl angry. |
| 16:15.26 | Laibsch | Again, I kindly and politely ask you to change. |
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| 16:20.55 | koen | Laibsch: my c700 has bluetooth |
| 16:21.11 | koen | via a cf bluetooth card |
| 16:21.57 | koen | following your bluetooth suggestion hrw should remove bt, wifi, usb, sd, cf and more |
| 16:22.21 | koen | "it doesn't come with an sd card, so why waste space with drivers for it?" |
| 16:22.29 | koen | (to use a slippery slope argument) |
| 16:22.39 | Laibsch | koen: I think we have exchanged opinions. It would be nice if you can comment constructively in the future. |
| 16:23.00 | koen | I have commented constructively in such discussions in the past |
| 16:23.15 | koen | like I said, I don't feel inclined to repeat my self over and over again |
| 16:23.26 | Laibsch | Then at least give an URL instead of *plonk* or don't comment. Please. |
| 16:23.58 | Laibsch | Plonk is for stubborn, dumb ppl. Takeshi has neither proven to be stubborn nor dumb. |
| 16:24.12 | Laibsch | Thus your comment is unwarranted. |
| 16:24.18 | Laibsch | EOD for me. |
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| 16:47.46 | koen | Laibsch: prefixing everything with 'oz-ja' seems stubborn and wastefull to me |
| 16:47.54 | koen | but I already made that clear |
| 16:49.11 | baldurk | sorry if this is a mistake on my part, but I'm having trouble running 'bitbake bootstrap-image'. When walking the dependencies, it starts to build hostap-modules-0.4.7. However that then encounters an error with a missing makefile. I'm not entirely sure what's going on, because I can see the makefile in the .tar.gz file. Does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 16:50.23 | Laibsch | koen: 1) I agree that is bad practice, see the comment I just made to bug 1362 about an hour ago. It is not stubborn since AFAIK they have not yet been told and have not practized this recently anyways. 2) If that is your motivation you plonked the wrong person. 3) you are becoming argumentative, trying to defend a lost position ;-) |
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| 16:51.03 | mimecar | hi |
| 16:51.08 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r63decb6a... 10/ (11 files in 5 dirs): qemu: Add arm nptl patch (as used in scratchbox) to fix EABI locale generation, add version 0.8.2, apply patches to some fixed verisons |
| 16:52.07 | pH5 | RP: yay! |
| 16:52.27 | mimecar | I installed gcc on zaurus with openzaurus 3.5.4 and I get this error |
| 16:52.28 | mimecar | libc.so: file format not recognized; treating as linker script |
| 16:52.45 | RP | For reference, testing qemu with EABI locale generation with an old CVS date worked fine. Testing with todays failed. |
| 16:53.11 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r34964bec... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass): base.bbclass: Change FILESPATH handling to allow it to be appended/prepended to. Should be backwards compatible. |
| 16:54.08 | Laibsch | koen|away: Maybe we can both cool down and get back to business ;-) Takeshi has also included some Japanese translation files for GPE which I believe is one of your pet projects. Can you maybe upload them and close bug 1356? That would be great and get us out of this unproductive mode ;-) |
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| 17:00.00 | koen|away | Laibsch: translation files can only be uploaded by gpe people |
| 17:00.12 | koen|away | Laibsch: I have showed florian the bug a few days ago |
| 17:00.14 | Laibsch | OK, I see. |
| 17:00.36 | koen|away | Laibsch: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/gpe/55/5536.html |
| 17:00.38 | Laibsch | I just sent you a mail 5 seconds ago. Trying to calm things down. |
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| 17:01.37 | Laibsch | So I guess opening a bug on handhelds.org is not necessary. |
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| 17:11.48 | Zero_Chaos | ~lart linksys |
| 17:11.49 | Zero_Chaos | doh! |
| 17:12.03 | Zero_Chaos | ~emulate stewie |
| 17:12.05 | ibot | It's like an orgy in my mouth! |
| 17:17.23 | koen | pH5: did you ever have problems with your ts on the hx? |
| 17:17.45 | koen | hmmm |
| 17:17.51 | koen | it seems evdev is busted |
| 17:21.16 | pH5 | koen: how? I works here with udev097 and 2.6.16-hh5 as of two weeks ago. |
| 17:21.56 | koen | pH5: all evdev things seem to be broken, so I think something went bad during compiling |
| 17:22.32 | pH5 | koen: with the new kernel? I yet have to try 2.6.17 |
| 17:22.36 | koen | did genirq get merged in 2.6.17 or 2.6.18? |
| 17:22.44 | koen | pH5: 2.6.16-hh5 |
| 17:24.46 | pH5 | koen: I think genirq is only 2.6.18, but I'm not sure. |
| 17:26.10 | koen | 2.6.17 had some other bugfixes for ARM which I'd like to try |
| 17:26.19 | koen | 2.6.17 is running nice on my c700 |
| 17:27.07 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r87498bc6... 10/ (1 docs/packaged-staging.xml): docs/packaged-staging.xml: clear up concerns about p-s + bitbake-mt |
| 17:33.55 | joshin | Do_install is failing on util-linux-2.12r-r6 for an openslug-image build. It is trying to create a symbolic link that already exists (swapoff.util-linux) |
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| 17:41.11 | RP | koen: genirq is 2.6.18 |
| 17:41.17 | koen | ok |
| 17:41.33 | koen | NOTE: preparing tree for binary locale generation |
| 17:41.34 | koen | NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8) |
| 17:41.34 | koen | NOTE: generating locale es_NI (ISO-8859-1) |
| 17:41.35 | joshin | Who was that phantom answerer |
| 17:41.36 | koen | sweetness |
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| 17:41.57 | koen | RP: localegen works now, thanks |
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| 17:42.03 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6a4cba9a... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): angstrom: enable binary locale generation and add visbility stuff to cxxflags |
| 17:42.30 | koen | and thanks to suihkulokki of course |
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| 17:42.37 | RP | koen: I'm going to move the SRCDATE for qemu forwards a bit - my tests show it still works :) |
| 17:42.42 | mr_nice_slacker | hi all |
| 17:42.54 | koen | RP: angstrom has it fixed at 0.8.2 |
| 17:43.12 | RP | koen: ok, you're fine then :) |
| 17:43.28 | RP | koen: The date corresponds to 0.8.2 effectively |
| 17:44.01 | mr_nice_slacker | does anyone know a cas programm which i can use on a pda? is there a cas package in oe? |
| 17:44.02 | koen | RP: I broadened sane-srcdates a while back |
| 17:44.05 | koen | mr_nice_slacker: giac ? |
| 17:44.12 | pH5 | koen: do I have to change anything to try this, or will just rebuilding quemu and glibc be enough? |
| 17:44.30 | RP | koen: I noticed |
| 17:44.35 | koen | pH5: mtn up ; rebuild qemu-native, rebuild glibc |
| 17:44.52 | RP | qemu-native should rebuild due to PR/PV changes |
| 17:44.52 | mr_nice_slacker | koen: thx i will try it |
| 17:47.02 | pH5 | RP: I'd like to make an asoc driver for the magician (uda1380 on i2s). is there any newbie-friendly documentation? |
| 17:47.09 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r3e5c0728... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): qemu cvs: Update SRCDATE to 20060723 |
| 17:48.56 | RP | pH5: I believe Liam has added Documentation to the kernel which should be included in the patch |
| 17:49.41 | RP | pH5: New ASoC drivers would be very welcome - ask me/Liam (lrg) if you have any questions |
| 17:52.15 | koen | pH5: iirc h2200 uses uda1380 as well |
| 17:52.26 | koen | pH5: liam had plans to write a driver for that |
| 17:53.46 | RP | A uda1380 driver exists but I'm not sure its been tested on any hardware so far |
| 17:55.38 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r73cf0a31... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): syslog-ng: Add modified syslog-ng.conf which enables kernel logging by default |
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| 17:59.40 | pH5 | RP, koen: thanks. |
| 18:03.59 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r5b128406... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): patch: Add patches to enable unifed reject files and a global reject file (from debian) |
| 18:07.12 | koen | grrrr |
| 18:07.13 | koen | LC_ADDRESS: field `lang_ab' must not be defined |
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| 18:19.04 | Zero_Chaos | does collie kernel 2.6 support the SD/MMC yet? |
| 18:19.10 | pH5 | hm, qemu-native still doesn't like gcc4? |
| 18:19.29 | joshin | Zero_Chaos, I wish. |
| 18:19.34 | Zero_Chaos | thought so... |
| 18:19.37 | Zero_Chaos | thanks |
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| 18:20.19 | koen | pH5: it doesn't |
| 18:20.27 | koen | pH5: I switched back to gcc3 on my host |
| 18:20.43 | koen | pH5: but interestingly it does compile with gcc4.1.1/eabi |
| 18:21.54 | koen | heh |
| 18:22.05 | koen | F 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
| 18:22.43 | RP | koen: I'm seeing that lang_ab error too :-/ |
| 18:24.37 | RP | koen: I think we need to mark gez_ER and bn_DB as broken |
| 18:24.47 | koen | yeah |
| 18:24.59 | koen | screw the ethiopians |
| 18:27.57 | koen | RP: and gez_ET by the looks of it |
| 18:28.24 | RP | koen: I meant gez_ET and bn_BD :-/ |
| 18:28.43 | koen | gez_E{R,T} both have lang_ab |
| 18:29.06 | RP | I didn't see an issue with ER - I think some just have typos in |
| 18:29.17 | RP | google gives some info about debian patches to fix them |
| 18:29.55 | koen | -GLIBC_BROKEN_LOCALES = "sid_ET tr_TR mn_MN" |
| 18:29.55 | koen | +GLIBC_BROKEN_LOCALES = "sid_ET tr_TR mn_MN gez_ET bn_DB" |
| 18:30.02 | koen | like that? |
| 18:30.15 | RP | s/DB/BD/ |
| 18:30.33 | RP | We could fix up the locale files ;-) |
| 18:30.45 | RP | but marking them as broken is probably easier |
| 18:31.03 | koen | more patches to glibc? |
| 18:31.18 | koen | ours is already patched to the max |
| 18:31.33 | RP | koen: remember you're talking to the oz kernel maintainer ;-) |
| 18:31.40 | koen | ah, right |
| 18:31.50 | RP | you can always add more patches :) |
| 18:32.53 | koen | I remember a discussion on L-A-K about sane bootloaders |
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| 18:33.06 | RP | What about it? |
| 18:33.07 | koen | kergoth suggested that people could apply a single patch locally |
| 18:33.23 | koen | beewoolie said kergoth was too used to OE :) |
| 18:33.38 | RP | that and quilt |
| 18:34.03 | RP | You'll note qemu is starting to get a bit patched with more probably coming soon :) |
| 18:35.33 | koen | :) |
| 18:36.02 | koen | that wouldn't have anything todo with scratchbox using OEtoolchains, wouldn't it? |
| 18:36.42 | RP | Not yet although that was noted and is on my todo list |
| 18:36.51 | RP | or perhaps kergoth's :) |
| 18:36.57 | koen | :) |
| 18:37.46 | RP | Has anyone any notes on using distcc on a Z to use the processing power on their desktop btw? |
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| 18:37.59 | koen | you might have noticed the abundance of "chroot" in the socdoc |
| 18:38.10 | koen | RP: the pdax people had some notes |
| 18:38.23 | koen | RP: basically you give the toolchain a weirdname |
| 18:38.42 | koen | and install the cross version with a similar weirdname on your desktop |
| 18:39.07 | koen | in OE speak "don't use gcc-symlinks" |
| 18:39.18 | RP | ah, right :) |
| 18:39.28 | RP | you had me worried for a minute :) |
| 18:39.59 | koen | the distcc in OE has the avahi patch applied |
| 18:40.00 | baldurk | I'm trying to do 'bitbake perl', but I get an error during the do_configure - 'sed couldn't file "Binary"'. It seems to be grepping through the whole perl source tree for a pattern, and doing a sed on any file that matches - one file comes up and grep says "Binary file matches", and so the for loop thinks there are 3 files, Binary, file and matches to pass to sed. Any idea what I can do to fix this? |
| 18:40.17 | koen | RP: I'd love a 'bitbake cluster-image' :) |
| 18:40.29 | RP | koen: As would I ;-) |
| 18:41.28 | RP | Its worrying when you have more cpus that fingers within arms reach :-/ |
| 18:41.58 | koen | worrying over :) |
| 18:43.43 | Laibsch | RP: Somebody suggested that icecc was better suited. Just inherit icecc |
| 18:43.57 | RP | Laibsch: I want to do the opposite to that ;-) |
| 18:44.30 | koen | icecc will distribute the toolchain, which would break for heterogenous hosts |
| 18:45.12 | koen | we want to exploit the dumb behaviour of distcc :) |
| 18:45.28 | Laibsch | RP: I think it is you who is introducing multithreading to OE, aren't you? Maybe you can use an openmosix cluster. |
| 18:45.51 | Laibsch | koen: OK, I guess I am not quite following what you guys are trying to do. |
| 18:46.32 | Laibsch | Compile on the Z for ix86? Reverse cross-compile? |
| 18:46.35 | koen | compiling on your favourite toy with the help of your desktop |
| 18:46.48 | koen | no, native compile with some aid |
| 18:46.51 | Laibsch | target is arm or ix86? |
| 18:46.58 | Laibsch | OK |
| 18:46.58 | koen | arm |
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| 19:00.31 | koen | generating locales takes quite some time |
| 19:00.54 | koen | zecke: moin |
| 19:01.23 | zecke | morsche |
| 19:03.16 | RP | Laibsch: I am responsible for bitbake multithreading, yes. It doesn't scale from one machine yet (but at least its more possible now) |
| 19:03.18 | RP | hi zecke |
| 19:03.44 | koen | RP: make bitbake a plan9 app :) |
| 19:04.30 | zecke | Ojective-C |
| 19:04.59 | koen | RP: could you commit the BROKEN_LOCALE change, I have a ton of local diffs in that file :( |
| 19:05.13 | zecke | I feel like puking... |
| 19:09.20 | RP | koen: Ok, once I confirm we have all the broken ones |
| 19:09.47 | koen | good idea |
| 19:12.51 | Laibsch | Is there a reason that bitbake is always recompiling glibc? AFAICT it seems to be the same version and release so I do not understand why it is being rebuilt. |
| 19:13.17 | koen | it's only compiles glibc once over here |
| 19:13.33 | Laibsch | hm... |
| 19:14.20 | zecke | RP: spi-inc.org works now |
| 19:15.08 | kergoth`zzz | Laibsch: i've seen that |
| 19:15.19 | kergoth`zzz | the other day every time i ran bitbake it decided to rebuild glibc and gtk |
| 19:15.28 | kergoth`zzz | doesnt seem to happen now though, so *shrug* |
| 19:15.39 | Laibsch | kergoth`zzz: Are you compiling from different machines? |
| 19:16.18 | kergoth | did all my builds on this box |
| 19:16.39 | Laibsch | I was wondering if maybe the reason is that one computer is a Pentium III laptop with 686 kernel, the other has a Via C3 CPU and 386 kernel. |
| 19:16.49 | Laibsch | kergoth: OK. |
| 19:17.02 | Laibsch | I hope it goes away soon for me, too. ;-) |
| 19:18.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:19.34 | koen | RP: so far no new broken locales |
| 19:19.48 | koen | *slowly* |
| 19:28.36 | RP | koen: same here... |
| 19:29.43 | emte | Laibsch, if you have floating CVS dates it will recompile everyday |
| 19:30.42 | Laibsch | emte: The CVS date is from 2005. Does that matter? I already compiled today. I do not know what triggers this. |
| 19:33.12 | RP | People have bumped PR on glibc recently |
| 19:35.43 | koen | RP: te_IN |
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| 19:41.13 | greentux | gd evening |
| 19:41.59 | koen | hey greentux |
| 19:42.43 | greentux | somebody read about the trolltech greenphone? |
| 19:43.16 | koen | is that the one that only makes calls with gcc 2.95.3? |
| 19:43.50 | greentux | i dont know, i even dont know about avaibility and so |
| 19:44.01 | greentux | i heard something about kernel 2.4 :( |
| 19:47.13 | greentux | oh, baby is calling... mom |
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| 20:00.15 | baldurk | I get a message about CROSS COMPILE Badness when compiling frozen-bubble. As far as I can tell, that's a problem with the package, is that right? |
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| 20:09.57 | koen | baldurk: yes |
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| 20:31.34 | zecke | time to implement ALC/LCT |
| 20:32.27 | Kerwood | is that a good thing? |
| 20:32.28 | zecke | Kerwood: something I wanted to do for some time |
| 20:32.28 | zecke | Asynchronous Layered Coding (ALC) |
| 20:32.32 | Kerwood | whew! |
| 20:32.48 | zecke | RFCs 3450, 3926 and two more... |
| 20:35.14 | Kerwood | wow, finally some net transport types talking about using FEC for once, instead of relying on timeouts and resends. 9_9 |
| 20:35.50 | zecke | Kerwood: well, I have not yet taken the exam in the linear algebra class... so my understanding on FECs is bad... |
| 20:36.03 | zecke | BUT: e.g. we use MPE and MPE-FEC to transport IP streams |
| 20:36.17 | zecke | and if a kernel passes UDP packets to userspace the checksum must be correct |
| 20:36.41 | zecke | and I wonder how a FEC can help there... only with some simple bit flips... |
| 20:36.56 | zecke | but I wonder why the Reed Solomon should have failed (MPE-FEC) |
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| 20:39.30 | Kerwood | zecke: Well, from what I concluded from an initial scan of the RFCs, they're trying to create a transport protocol which accommodates different content, but in the same stream |
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| 20:40.08 | zecke | Kerwood: the aim is to create a reliable uni-directional 'file' delivery |
| 20:40.54 | emte | its just a digital differential singaling protocol is it not? |
| 20:41.09 | Kerwood | zecke: my read is that they aim to do that in a way which doesn't fail if the content is time-sensitive |
| 20:41.51 | Kerwood | zecke: and that the delivery is asymmetric i.e., multicast |
| 20:42.04 | zecke | Kerwood: the way it is used is for broadcast networks like DVB |
| 20:42.11 | Kerwood | ah |
| 20:42.13 | zecke | Kerwood: timely manner is just another nice thing |
| 20:43.11 | Kerwood | at any rate, it's about damn time |
| 20:43.11 | Kerwood | TCP/IP was never "streamlined" and was never meant to be |
| 20:43.12 | Kerwood | but we can't keep relying on faster and faster pipes... |
| 20:45.27 | koen | Forward Error Correction? |
| 20:45.39 | zecke | koen: yes |
| 20:45.58 | Kristoffer | zecke, is updating bitbake a good idea today :) ? been getting some weird errors |
| 20:46.26 | koen | zecke: I still have to pass ControlEngineering :( |
| 20:47.41 | zecke | Kristoffer: I need to admit I'm drowned in real-life+work I don't know |
| 20:47.56 | zecke | Kristoffer: using BitBake 1.6.x and BitBake 1.4.4 is the most safe thing you can do |
| 20:48.04 | Kristoffer | Oki, will update to that then |
| 20:48.14 | zecke | Kristoffer: for BitBake trunk, ask our MVP RP about the state |
| 20:48.28 | koen | trunk works pretty well |
| 20:48.54 | koen | but, as always, caveat emptor |
| 20:56.23 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbf8790b0... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb): glibc 2.4: mask out more broken locales |
| 21:06.17 | jerrybme | Is there a problem with the SD driver in oz-3.5.4.2? Or perhaps I borked my build |
| 21:06.43 | jerrybme | Didn't see any bugs listed... |
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| 21:16.18 | RP | koen: Did your build complete? |
| 21:16.26 | koen | RP: yes |
| 21:17.20 | koen | RP: the next commit should interest you as well |
| 21:17.22 | RP | Kristoffer: trunk is unstable. I'm happy enough to have it tested but if it breaks, I can only deal with it when I have time ;-) |
| 21:18.44 | RP | koen: I also had issues with gez_ER |
| 21:18.57 | koen | crap |
| 21:19.00 | koen | I edited that one |
| 21:19.31 | RP | koen: For some reason it did them in a different order for me - I came accross it last :-/ |
| 21:20.09 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re756d424... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): qemu 0.8.2: use the cross compiler to build 'qemu' |
| 21:20.44 | RP | koen: hmm :) |
| 21:21.05 | koen | qemu doesn't use autotools.... |
| 21:21.18 | koen | but it does do ';inherit autotools' |
| 21:21.20 | RP | koen: you want to check that commit - I think it has a typo |
| 21:21.59 | koen | the qemu one? |
| 21:22.13 | RP | koen: yes --cc$CC} |
| 21:22.49 | koen | RP: OE doesn't mind that ;) |
| 21:23.08 | RP | koen: It should do though ;-) |
| 21:24.48 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc8c8e34a... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb): glibc 2.4: also mask out gez_ER |
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| 21:35.08 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r23f08e86... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb): glibc 2.4: remove spurious committed Werror bit |
| 21:37.35 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r79739dff... 10/ (1 packages/qemu/qemu_0.8.2.bb): qemu: fix typo |
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| 21:41.34 | koen | there, that should have fixed all my damage |
| 21:42.14 | RP | koen: it happens :) |
| 21:43.31 | koen | ~lart tons of local diffs |
| 21:45.42 | RP | Its the glibc locale limiting patches that I worry I'll check in at some point... |
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| 22:21.26 | treitmayr | rwhitby: hi! I haven't had time yet to answer you about yeaphone... |
| 22:21.47 | treitmayr | rwhitby: still getting the HEAD environment up and running |
| 22:22.28 | rwhitby | treitmayr: great - need any help? |
| 22:23.16 | treitmayr | rwhitby: hmm, do I understand this corretly - the nslu2-linux repository just directly links to the oe repository? |
| 22:24.23 | rwhitby | yes, monotone.nslu2-linux.org is just a monotone peer to monotone.openembedded.org, which syncs regularly. |
| 22:25.07 | rwhitby | we do have other branches on m.n-l.o, but the org.openembedded.dev branch is identical (modulo changes since last sync) |
| 22:25.35 | treitmayr | ok. |
| 22:26.24 | treitmayr | So I'm pretty much done with linphone/yeaphone (+fixing a few memory leaks). I could either send it all to you or commit it myself |
| 22:27.46 | treitmayr | I just cannot get (read) access to the nslu2-linux repository... |
| 22:38.56 | zecke | treitmayr: what is the error you get? |
| 22:40.11 | treitmayr | "mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused" - did I something wrong? It worked a few weeks ago... |
| 22:40.36 | treitmayr | happens eg. at "pull" |
| 22:41.07 | zecke | treitmayr: is there another error as well? |
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| 22:41.35 | zecke | treitmayr: I get a connection refused as well |
| 22:41.56 | zecke | treitmayr: you could pull from monotone.openembedded.org? but better wait for rwhitby to answer |
| 22:42.12 | treitmayr | ok, I'll give it a try... |
| 22:42.35 | treitmayr | just to make sure my network isn't screwy |
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| 22:58.06 | rwhitby | treitmayr: try now - the server was stuck |
| 22:58.41 | treitmayr | ok, works! Thanks! |
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| 23:02.14 | Laibsch | How are input methods being dealt with on GPE? Is there no such thing? |
| 23:02.48 | Laibsch | Or is it keyboard only? |
| 23:03.02 | emte | you mean aside from tslib? |
| 23:07.07 | pH5 | Laibsch: once uim+gtk or similar work, you can use the keyboard + gtk input method. onscreen keyboard/HWR/whatever can be started by a matchbox panel applet. |
| 23:08.05 | Laibsch | I see. oz-ja ppl have uim working but I cannot get it compiled with "regular" OE. |
| 23:08.22 | Laibsch | I guess they also work on the opie image but I am not sure about that. |
| 23:28.37 | pH5 | Laibsch: NOTE: package uim-1.1.0: completed |
| 23:28.59 | pH5 | the packaging has to be fixed up a little bit, but the build works without modification |
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| 23:55.52 | Laibsch | pH5: Right, it was anthy for uim that IIRC failed. |
| 23:56.23 | Laibsch | And after installation on my opie image, nothing showed up in the input method selector. |