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| 07:48.38 | giel | quick question: to use my own crosscompile toolchain, do i put stuff in build/tmp/cross and do some assume_provideds? |
| 07:48.43 | giel | or is there more to it? |
| 07:50.41 | zecke | giel: what abou reading documentation |
| 07:50.52 | zecke | giel: and ask questions to improve the documentation? |
| 07:51.21 | zecke | sadly we have little documentation, and the bits we have are bad |
| 07:51.31 | zecke | but if people don't read+commen it will stay tht bad :) |
| 07:51.38 | giel | ofcourse |
| 07:51.39 | giel | okay |
| 07:51.45 | giel | 1 mom, i'll rephrase ;) |
| 07:51.55 | zecke | http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=ch05s05 |
| 07:52.21 | zecke | I have written this, and I really suck |
| 07:52.34 | giel | first, let me say i'm sorry about not reading documentation, point is, this appeared after i last looked at it ;) |
| 07:52.41 | giel | thanks for pointing it out to me |
| 07:53.42 | XorA | morning |
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| 07:55.31 | sirfred | morning |
| 07:58.23 | zecke | giel: I really suck at writing documentation. So read it, comment it, ask questions :) |
| 07:58.52 | zecke | also the -B option for gcc could be interesting... |
| 07:59.06 | giel | zecke: slightly rephrased question: i see the method in the documentation, but isn't it also possible to just dump my whole toolchain in tmp/build/cross and set the assume_provided, so all the paths are taken care of? |
| 07:59.38 | giel | zecke: i will give some more constructional comments on the documentation as is when i go through the steps |
| 08:01.24 | zecke | giel: that would be possible |
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| 08:01.38 | zecke | giel: if you use the -B option with the toolchain |
| 08:02.04 | zecke | giel: gcc refuses to find libstdc++ if moved around (unless you use -B) |
| 08:02.51 | zecke | giel: you could even change the path to tmp/cross within your local.conf |
| 08:03.52 | giel | zecke: now that would be interesting |
| 08:04.33 | zecke | giel: see conf/bitbake.conf for the name of the variable |
| 08:04.33 | giel | zecke: what is the difference between $HOST_TOOLS and $TOOLCHAIN? |
| 08:05.30 | zecke | I don't see a variable $HOST_TOOLS |
| 08:05.55 | zecke | e.g. setting CROSS_DIR will allow you to store 'cross' somehwere else |
| 08:06.07 | giel | oh, i mean in your documentation |
| 08:06.19 | giel | TOOLCHAIN=/where/is/toolchain/bin |
| 08:06.19 | giel | HOST_TOOLS=/where/is/hosttools/bin |
| 08:06.25 | giel | export PATH=$BITBAKE_PATH:$TOOLCHAIN:$HOST_TOOLS:$PATH |
| 08:06.31 | zecke | giel: ah :) |
| 08:06.34 | zecke | let me see |
| 08:07.30 | zecke | host-tools like make, sed, uic (for Qt), gtk-doc which are used to generate/build/prepare stuff |
| 08:07.51 | zecke | I thik I meant TOOLCHAIN the compiler itself |
| 08:08.05 | zecke | HOST_TOOLS tools needed to compile userspace software |
| 08:09.30 | zecke | pb__: you are everywhere! |
| 08:09.40 | zecke | "net-tools are maintained by Phil Blundell and me" |
| 08:14.38 | zecke | moin koen |
| 08:17.02 | koen | hey zecke |
| 08:24.11 | zecke | koen: this gcc bug is funny |
| 08:24.30 | koen | which gcc bug? |
| 08:24.46 | koen | (and glibc-intermendiate fails to build on my powerbook) |
| 08:25.06 | zecke | koen: the one posted by Daniel on linux arm kernel |
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| 08:25.16 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 08:25.27 | koen | ah, the % bug |
| 08:25.30 | koen | hey ade|desk |
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| 08:25.52 | zecke | koen: post your config.log, your log._do_configure and log.do_compile |
| 08:25.55 | giel | zecke: okay, i get it |
| 08:26.06 | giel | zecke: i'll play with this and probably come up with some more docs |
| 08:27.14 | zecke | cool |
| 08:28.04 | Genesis | yop |
| 08:33.51 | RP | morning all |
| 08:35.51 | XorA | hey RP |
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| 08:36.31 | XorA | RP: when you get alsamixer to create static, where are you running it, X/Opie or ssh? |
| 08:41.27 | koen | zecke: http://linuxtogo.org/~koen/index.php?path=OE%2FOSX/ |
| 08:43.10 | zecke | checking whether arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g++ -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale accepts -g... no |
| 08:43.14 | zecke | interesting |
| 08:44.09 | zecke | checking for --as-needed option... no |
| 08:44.14 | zecke | that should be wrong as well |
| 08:44.20 | zecke | our binutils should support that |
| 08:48.20 | RP | XorA: on the console or via ssh. No X/opie involved |
| 08:48.50 | zecke | koen: how did you do that? |
| 08:48.52 | RP | XorA: Its not alsamixer that creates the static, it just gets turned on at the end of playback of any sound |
| 08:49.00 | zecke | koen: upload your local.conf as well |
| 08:49.49 | koen | zecke: done |
| 08:50.15 | zecke | koen: what did you build? |
| 08:50.39 | zecke | koen: virtual/libc should be enough |
| 08:50.48 | koen | zecke: I did 'bitbake nano' and hit the bug that it didn't build a toolchain, so I did a 'bitbake glibc' |
| 08:50.48 | XorA | RP: ah right, I got the impression from your email that you only heard it when alsamixer was loaded |
| 08:50.55 | XorA | RP: Im trying to make the c7x0 make the noise, its irritating me |
| 08:51.03 | RP | XorA: No, its at the end of any playback |
| 08:51.21 | XorA | RP: exactly as I first saw it then, but now it wont bloody do it |
| 08:51.32 | XorA | ~lart dissapearing bugs |
| 08:51.45 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:52.06 | hrw|work | RP: gpe-image on poodle suxx |
| 08:52.17 | zecke | use opie-eye |
| 08:52.54 | RP | hrw|work: I know. I'm hoping someone will fix that now we have a decent kernel ;-) |
| 08:53.18 | zecke | koen: MacForge |
| 08:53.46 | XorA | god gpe on 32M is going to be panful |
| 08:54.00 | hrw|work | RP: suspend/resume does not work |
| 08:54.08 | zecke | koen: BTW: is your filesystem case sensitive? |
| 08:54.20 | RP | hrw|work: How did you suspend it? |
| 08:54.26 | koen | zecke: it's HFS+ |
| 08:54.38 | zecke | there are four versions of HFS+ |
| 08:54.43 | zecke | journaled/not journaled |
| 08:54.50 | RP | hrw|work: It just worked fine here... |
| 08:54.55 | zecke | combined with case sensitive/case insensitive but case aware |
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| 08:55.01 | RP | battery charging is a different matter :-/ |
| 08:55.05 | hrw|work | RP: "apm -s" or cancel hold |
| 08:55.29 | RP | hrw|work: apm -s worked. I'm not sure the cancel button is setup for it |
| 08:55.54 | hrw|work | RP: maybe we lack something in .oz354x |
| 08:56.17 | RP | hrw|work: or have something causing problems. This is a bootstrap-image |
| 08:57.58 | hrw|work | I can try it later |
| 09:00.24 | hrw|work | RP: I also need kernel modules fixing - poodle lack many |
| 09:00.49 | Cobelius | since my last update of the .bb files bitbake is trying to compilge glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627. I don't know why it's doing it. If I enter bitbake glibc it builds nothing because the version 2.3.2 is already builded. I also entered a PREFERRED_VERSION statement. Does exist a command that I see wich package depends on glibc_2.3.5? |
| 09:01.55 | RP | hrw|work: Agreed, its just not been important until now :) |
| 09:02.19 | hrw|work | RP: I plan to move modules info to distro config |
| 09:03.07 | RP | hrw|work: That idea worries me a little. How are you planning to do that? |
| 09:03.45 | pb__ | zecke: indeed I am |
| 09:04.00 | hrw|work | RP: extra bootstrap rdepends = 'wifi modules common modules' thing - machine related ones will stay in machine configs |
| 09:04.44 | RP | hrw|work: Ah, I thought you meant the writing of the defconfig. Did you see my ideas I posted to oe@ about that? |
| 09:05.35 | zecke | pb__: hehe |
| 09:05.43 | zecke | pb__: feel like adding net-tools to OE? |
| 09:06.01 | zecke | pb__: BTW: g2c is a FORTRAN library? |
| 09:06.36 | hrw|work | RP: 27.07.2006: Beyond BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS? |
| 09:06.56 | koen | hrw|work: RRECOMMENDS, not RDEPENDS |
| 09:07.09 | RP | hrw|work: yes, that;s the one |
| 09:07.37 | hrw|work | koen: sure |
| 09:07.48 | koen | RDEPENDing on modules is almost always a bug |
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| 09:08.57 | RP | I don't think anyone replied to that email... |
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| 09:14.21 | hrw|work | RP: I will |
| 09:14.32 | zecke | pb__: should i get net-tools from tazenda.demon or berlios? |
| 09:14.34 | mikearthur | morning all |
| 09:14.43 | pb__ | zecke: berlios, I think |
| 09:14.51 | pb__ | or maybe even debian |
| 09:15.04 | zecke | pb__: I prefer the fedora patch over the debian one |
| 09:15.23 | zecke | I will go for berlios mirror then |
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| 09:18.24 | pb__ | righto |
| 09:18.26 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 09:18.32 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 09:19.09 | zecke | it is hard to track what parts are for what kind of issues... |
| 09:19.50 | hrw|work | zecke: right |
| 09:20.04 | hrw|work | florian_kc: gpe-conf 0.2.1 released? |
| 09:20.17 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0ec106e9... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): hostap-conf: added TrendNet TEW PC16 card from http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/lateral/weblog/2006/08/03.html#P427 |
| 09:20.23 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r22a005b8... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): hostap-conf: synced with .oz354x (added two cards) |
| 09:21.12 | hrw|work | ops.. looks like I need to sync .dev too |
| 09:21.15 | florian_kc | hrw|work: not yet, but soon |
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| 09:28.24 | florian_kc | oh well, oz needs a goe maintainer :-) |
| 09:28.27 | florian_kc | eh gpe |
| 09:28.58 | hrw|work | florian_kc: CoreDump was kind of such |
| 09:29.24 | zecke | pb__: will you ever merge the +45 patches Fedora has for net-tools? |
| 09:29.36 | florian_kc | hrw|work: hmm.. "was" sounds bad :-( |
| 09:30.03 | hrw|work | florian_kc: he is MIA recently |
| 09:30.52 | florian_kc | if someone renamed OpenZaurus to somethign more generic it would become more popular :-) |
| 09:31.31 | hrw|work | florian_kc: ipaq support again? |
| 09:33.04 | florian_kc | hrw|work: it would be the perfect distribution for all sorts of devices. even the image for the netbook was close to be perfect... much better than any Familiar image ever. |
| 09:33.58 | hrw|work | thx |
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| 09:35.45 | florian_kc | hrw|work: That's a fact... don't ask me why, but doing two minor things OE didn't know about (creating a link and one chmod) everything was fine. |
| 09:36.25 | hrw|work | RP: something from kernel modules discussion: |
| 09:36.26 | hrw|work | 11:35 hrw@work:conf$ mtn dif .|diffstat distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.2.conf | 53 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ machine/poodle-2.6.conf | 29 -------------------- machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf | 54 -------------------------------------- |
| 09:36.36 | hrw|work | fsck.. ugly paste |
| 09:37.25 | koen | florian: creating that link means you can't install extra modules |
| 09:37.50 | koen | florian: I'd rather have some firstboot script copy the modules into the rootfs |
| 09:38.01 | florian_kc | koen: right |
| 09:38.18 | XorA | s/OpenZaurus/OpenZebedee/ |
| 09:38.33 | hrw|work | OpenPDA is already taken.. |
| 09:38.36 | hrw|work | OpenPalmtop? |
| 09:40.39 | zecke | Angstrom? |
| 09:41.02 | florian_kc | hrw|work: there is a long wiki dicussion about distribution names in hh.org wiki |
| 09:41.09 | zecke | hrw|work: I like Open Palmtop. That remember me of Open Palmtop Integrated Environment |
| 09:41.14 | florian_kc | if someone deleted it there is always the history. |
| 09:41.35 | zecke | koen: binutils-cross failed for me |
| 09:41.35 | hrw|work | zecke: I also want angstrom available... but its for 2.6 machines only |
| 09:41.47 | XorA | that means we could have OPXE as well, X Environment :-) |
| 09:42.31 | zecke | we could have Opie and Opee |
| 09:42.46 | zecke | Open Palmtop Integrated Environment and Open Palmtop Extragated(?) Env |
| 09:42.49 | koen | X Open Revolutional Assistant |
| 09:43.03 | XorA | koen: for some reason I like that |
| 09:43.22 | zecke | s-cross-2.17-r0/binutils-2.17/gas/read.c: In function 's_comm_internal':/Users/koen/Projects/OpenEmbedded/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv5te-darwin/binutils-cross-2.17-r0/binutils-2.17/gas/read.c:1430: warning: 'stopc' may be used uninitialized in this function |
| 09:43.26 | hrw|work | OPSE |
| 09:43.27 | zecke | haha |
| 09:43.29 | zecke | -Werror |
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| 09:46.30 | koen | florian: you could always go the sharprom cloners way |
| 09:46.47 | lrg | morning all |
| 09:47.07 | koen | florian_kc: mount the jffs2, sed s/openzaurus/superflorianROMROMROM/g, and distribute it :) |
| 09:47.10 | koen | hey lrg |
| 09:47.21 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.38 | florian_kc | hi lrg |
| 09:48.56 | florian_kc | koen: uh no, i don't think i want to do this... |
| 09:48.57 | hrw|work | koen: do you know why apache on ewi sends http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.2-test/rc0/tosa/gpe-install.tar.gz.md5 as application/x-tar instead of text/plain? |
| 09:49.03 | XorA | hey lrg |
| 09:49.11 | koen | hrw|work: no idea |
| 09:49.19 | mikearthur | do13: lrg mentioned something about you having some code from Sharp for the Tosa for the touchscreen Y bug |
| 09:55.16 | giel | zecke: copying some stuff in staging and pointing CROSS_DIR somewhere else, setting an ASSUME_PROVIDED seems to work nicely, except the compiler i try to use seems broken :( |
| 09:55.22 | giel | zecke: but that's not our fault :) |
| 09:55.28 | florian_kc | hrw|work: i found some more missing updates, i'll push them as soon as the image is known to work. |
| 09:55.31 | zecke | giel: well |
| 09:55.50 | zecke | giel: if it is broken in regard to not finding binaries do man gcc and search for -B |
| 09:56.11 | giel | zecke: it's broken in regard to "error: insn does not satisfy its constraints:" |
| 09:56.18 | zecke | lol |
| 09:56.21 | zecke | on OpenSSL? |
| 09:56.22 | giel | zecke: internal compiler error: in copyprop_hardreg_forward_1, at regrename.c:1549 |
| 09:56.27 | giel | uh. dropbear |
| 09:56.29 | giel | so, more or less |
| 09:56.42 | zecke | I had that yesterday with a gcc3.3.6 toolchain :) |
| 09:56.47 | zecke | not that instruction though |
| 09:56.51 | giel | but this is codesourcery fuckery |
| 09:57.12 | zecke | s/-O2/-Os/ |
| 09:57.16 | zecke | let me guess iwmmxt? |
| 09:57.28 | giel | hm, will try |
| 09:57.52 | hrw|work | koen: workarounded by mv *.md5 *.md5.txt |
| 09:57.53 | giel | armv5te |
| 09:58.33 | giel | zecke: anyway, a prebuilt toolchain seems to work with two "cp"s and 4 lines in local.conf |
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| 10:01.28 | zecke | awesome :) |
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| 10:02.03 | zecke | but use OE to create your toolchain :) |
| 10:02.10 | woglinde | morning |
| 10:02.12 | zecke | </advertise> |
| 10:14.26 | zecke | wtf, net-tools start to annoy me |
| 10:15.24 | mikearthur | what package is ifconfig in? |
| 10:15.32 | zecke | busybox |
| 10:15.51 | woglinde | zecke why? |
| 10:16.51 | zecke | because it loves to revert its config |
| 10:17.07 | woglinde | what? |
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| 10:18.35 | zecke | haha, I have outsmarted me |
| 10:18.49 | zecke | I had the fedora packag net-tools-1.60 in my way |
| 10:19.01 | woglinde | lol |
| 10:19.12 | zecke | it took the patches from SRPM :} |
| 10:19.12 | woglinde | how can that happen? |
| 10:19.30 | woglinde | fedora is no good on my opionion |
| 10:19.38 | zecke | executing fakeroot alien .rpm from within packages/net-tools |
| 10:19.49 | zecke | woglinde: at least they are capable of splitting up packages |
| 10:19.58 | woglinde | ???? |
| 10:20.00 | zecke | and patches |
| 10:20.05 | koen | zecke: doesn't OE have an srpm.bbclass? |
| 10:20.19 | zecke | koen: I think it has it |
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| 10:20.36 | zecke | but I wanted to learn some spec |
| 10:20.50 | zecke | woglinde: net-tools is a good example about Debian's issues |
| 10:21.12 | zecke | woglinde: you have one big diff with securiy fixes, patches, features, buildsystem stuff all chewed/mixed |
| 10:21.44 | zecke | woglinde: there is no easy to identiy which hunk is for what, if security issues where fixed, and which part of the big patch is responsible... |
| 10:22.05 | woglinde | zecke did you apt-get source net-tools? |
| 10:22.15 | zecke | yes |
| 10:22.24 | woglinde | and it has only one big patch |
| 10:22.29 | woglinde | ? |
| 10:22.37 | woglinde | than the maintainer suckz |
| 10:22.48 | zecke | yes |
| 10:23.42 | zecke | woglinde: one big diff. |
| 10:26.35 | zecke | I need to imrpvoe my GNU make knowledge |
| 10:26.57 | koen | zecke: yes! |
| 10:27.04 | koen | zecke: and teach it to mickeyl |
| 10:27.09 | zecke | heh? |
| 10:27.12 | zecke | why mickeyl? |
| 10:27.17 | koen | so he can stop using qmake |
| 10:27.39 | zecke | koen: qmake rocks. It generates Visual Studio and XCode projects |
| 10:28.49 | zecke | koen: I will fix GNU make, just to make Schilling shut up |
| 10:29.03 | zecke | koen: next time he will claim GNU make is broken, he will get sued ;) |
| 10:30.03 | woglinde | zecke whats shilling concern with gnu make? |
| 10:30.11 | koen | zecke: start the OpenSchilly project ;) |
| 10:30.34 | woglinde | he need to develop his own tar because the tar of sun und bsd suckz |
| 10:31.00 | zecke | woglinde: well GNU make has 10 year old grave issues |
| 10:31.04 | zecke | woglinde: so use smake ;) |
| 10:31.18 | zecke | he is right that GNU make is basicly not maintained |
| 10:32.03 | hrw|work | RP: pushed changeset which can interest you a bit |
| 10:33.04 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r071f1cc9... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:33.04 | CIA-9 | Moved common kernel modules list from machine configs into distro config. |
| 10:33.04 | CIA-9 | OZ 3.5.4.2-rc0 lacked many modules in poodle images... |
| 10:33.09 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r71e359e5... 10/ (1 conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.2.conf): oz 3.5.4.2: bump to rc1 |
| 10:33.14 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r27bf219d... 10/ (1 packages/meta/task-bootstrap.bb): task-bootstrap: bump PR due to module changes, set maintainer to me |
| 10:39.01 | koen | RP: which servers? |
| 10:39.31 | zecke | anyone has interest in net-tools? Should I push it to OE? |
| 10:39.42 | koen | zecke: push it |
| 10:40.03 | RP | koen: The commit list and the viewmtn on oe.org seem to be lagging atm |
| 10:40.23 | koen | RP: viewmtn is refreshed every 30 minutes |
| 10:40.26 | zecke | RP: It can lack up to 30 minutes |
| 10:40.33 | zecke | commits should be instantly though |
| 10:40.38 | koen | RP: the commit list suffers from th enormal hh.org brokenness |
| 10:40.58 | zecke | koen: shut up |
| 10:41.15 | RP | I'll just have to wait then :) |
| 10:41.20 | koen | RP: the mails are sent at the same time as the cia notification, so if you see it in IRC, the mail has been sent |
| 10:41.41 | RP | koen: I know. That doesn't mean I can read them yet though :) |
| 10:41.56 | zecke | koen: or we have enormal breakage on openembedded.org and the mail is stuck |
| 10:42.50 | koen | zecke: no |
| 10:44.20 | giel | zecke: with -Os it worked, now i only have a couple of the "NOTE: Couldn't find shared library provider for ...", but luckily you have documented how to fix that ;) |
| 10:44.28 | koen | zecke: 2006-08-08 12:35:01 1GAOvN-0006AN-UA <= oe-commits@handhelds.org H=localhost [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=10531 |
| 10:44.34 | zecke | hehe |
| 10:45.45 | hrw|work | koen: when mirgation to lists.ltg or lists.oe? |
| 10:45.46 | zecke | I wouldn't want to configure a mail server like hh.org |
| 10:45.59 | koen | hrw|work: ask mickeyl and kergoth |
| 10:46.12 | koen | hrw|work: lists.oe.org iirc |
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| 10:46.21 | hrw|work | CIA-9: ping |
| 10:46.34 | zecke | http://lists.openembedded.org/ |
| 10:46.35 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1eff48b4... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): zaurus machines: RRECOMMEND kernel modules instead of RDEPENDing on them |
| 10:47.15 | hrw|work | CIA-9: it was 3 files in 1 dir |
| 10:47.22 | zecke | http://www.linuxtogo.org/sponsors |
| 10:47.31 | koen | hrw|work: _MTN/<foo> probably |
| 10:47.48 | hrw|work | maybe |
| 10:48.12 | zecke | koen: mickey|zzZZzz : woglinde : hrw|work : I just noticed. If we get-to-gether in Berlin we could found OE e.V. as wel |
| 10:48.33 | koen | zecke: that'd be nice |
| 10:49.09 | RP | zecke: Are there details of the proposed get together anywhere? |
| 10:49.24 | RP | zecke: Such as timescales, purpose etc? |
| 10:49.31 | zecke | RP: no |
| 10:49.54 | zecke | we do not have a location as well |
| 10:50.04 | zecke | worst case. We all crash at mine and al's place |
| 10:50.29 | zecke | woglinde: BTW: ROAD offered their rooms for the weekend |
| 10:51.02 | koen | zecke: lists.oe.org now redirect to oe.org/contact |
| 10:51.15 | zecke | RP: timescale: 5th,6th,7th,8th october |
| 10:51.30 | zecke | RP: puporse: talk about OE and its' and our future(s) |
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| 10:51.54 | koen | zecke: and we'll only eat soup and chinese food |
| 10:52.09 | koen | zecke: we don't need forks ;) |
| 10:52.53 | zecke | I have a tent, enough forks at home |
| 10:52.59 | RP | zecke: Thats more like the 1st week in October :) (Thur-Sun?) |
| 10:53.03 | zecke | (wow my mom will love that...) |
| 10:53.26 | zecke | RP: I'm not good at counting. The 1st week is the 1st october? |
| 10:53.37 | zecke | RP: so basicly it is the beinning of October |
| 10:53.53 | RP | That's easier :) |
| 10:54.01 | RP | It depends when you class a week as starting as I guess |
| 10:54.02 | zecke | *puh* |
| 10:54.31 | zecke | ~lart google |
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| 10:55.12 | zecke | I could have made the google joke, but now it is too late |
| 10:55.53 | zecke | RP: I think the purpose is in between: Having fun, Creating Code, Talking about issues, addressing them |
| 10:56.28 | RP | zecke: sounds good |
| 10:56.41 | RP | I think there are a fair few issues would could address :) |
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| 10:56.48 | do13_ | morning all |
| 10:56.57 | RP | hi Dirk |
| 10:57.12 | do13_ | hey Richard |
| 10:57.18 | zecke | larer guys |
| 10:59.00 | RP | cya zecke |
| 10:59.47 | koen | hey Dirk |
| 10:59.56 | do13_ | hi Koen |
| 11:12.46 | florian_kc | hrw|work: did you build the new images from scratch? |
| 11:13.15 | zecke | giel: out of interest. What are you building? |
| 11:15.51 | hrw|work | no |
| 11:16.50 | giel | zecke: in the end, i'm trying to build our own dvb-h video player application, using ffmpeg |
| 11:16.53 | giel | zecke: but! |
| 11:17.01 | zecke | lol |
| 11:17.14 | giel | zecke: i'm trying to hack some routines in ffmpeg to link against some libraries that do hw accelerated h264 |
| 11:17.35 | zecke | giel: using Linux DVB? dvbnet? |
| 11:17.35 | giel | zecke: and these libraries are built with the codesourcery 3.4.0-vfp toolchain, and i don't have the source |
| 11:18.03 | giel | zecke: no, using a proprietary dvb-h layer that injects in the tcp-ip stack :( |
| 11:18.19 | zecke | dibcom? ati? |
| 11:18.25 | giel | zecke: philips |
| 11:18.28 | zecke | oh |
| 11:18.30 | zecke | hehe |
| 11:18.42 | giel | but the dvb part is mostly working |
| 11:18.49 | giel | and our app as well |
| 11:18.52 | zecke | giel: which FLUTE are you using if any? |
| 11:18.54 | koen | giel: same division as eFfeM-log ? |
| 11:19.00 | giel | it's just that i want to link against this hw-accel stuff |
| 11:19.02 | hrw|work | RP, zecke: also signing opengpg keys |
| 11:19.08 | zecke | koen: DVB is not done in netherlands... |
| 11:19.18 | zecke | koen: otherwise I would have spent this summer in Eindhoven... |
| 11:19.28 | giel | zecke: at the moment we don't do flute, but we plan to do in the near future, probably madflute based |
| 11:19.31 | zecke | hrw|work: GnuPG |
| 11:19.35 | giel | zecke: or, S3 stack |
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| 11:19.51 | giel | zecke: S3 does do an ESG stack to which i have access |
| 11:19.53 | zecke | giel: MADfcl sucks, mcl even more... |
| 11:19.58 | giel | zecke: pbly also flute in there |
| 11:20.00 | zecke | giel: hehe |
| 11:20.13 | koen | bleh |
| 11:20.16 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.17 | koen | I hate writing docs |
| 11:20.21 | giel | zecke: cool! |
| 11:20.47 | giel | zecke: i've got all the streams from that first bmco trial still somewhere |
| 11:20.57 | zecke | not doing them for BMCO but at their office |
| 11:21.02 | giel | zecke: and the stuff that got broadcasted at 3gsm |
| 11:21.07 | zecke | hehe |
| 11:21.18 | zecke | that is funny |
| 11:21.44 | zecke | giel: the S3 ESG uses mcl as flute? |
| 11:22.08 | giel | up till now i could do with a fairly clean OE build running on our arm device, but it's the hw accelleration and the hardheadedness of the people who won't give me the source |
| 11:22.29 | giel | zecke: s3 stack is doing something of themselves |
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| 11:22.49 | zecke | giel: annoy them, at one point it is more easy for them to give the source away |
| 11:22.59 | zecke | giel: are you doing that at philiips? |
| 11:23.18 | giel | zecke: yes, especially as this is some philips semiconductors division in france, and i'm philips researcg |
| 11:23.22 | giel | research! |
| 11:23.30 | giel | so, why can't they just give me the source! |
| 11:23.47 | zecke | hehe |
| 11:24.03 | zecke | it is a corporate desease |
| 11:24.11 | zecke | I totally blame MontaVista for this mess |
| 11:24.16 | giel | hehe yes |
| 11:24.19 | giel | well, it's like this |
| 11:24.19 | zecke | completely even... |
| 11:24.37 | giel | philips semiconductors hired philips apptech (applied technologies) to implement this |
| 11:24.43 | hrw|work | zecke: gnupg is just one of implementations of openpgp |
| 11:24.46 | zecke | I hope to have completed my BSD licensed FLUTE by the end of this month |
| 11:24.51 | giel | apptech won't give the source, because they want to sell it to sony ericsson as well |
| 11:25.03 | giel | zecke: keep me posted! |
| 11:25.24 | zecke | ghehe |
| 11:25.25 | hrw|work | florian_kc: I build only machine related stuff, generate machine feeds and build images from feeds |
| 11:25.36 | zecke | BTW: hacking ffmpeg gives legal trouble |
| 11:25.55 | giel | zecke: oh, i'm fully aware of that, this is nothing that will ever end up in any product, ever |
| 11:25.55 | florian_kc | hrw|work: ah okay |
| 11:25.56 | zecke | one of the reasons they won't give you the source, even if they are forced to... |
| 11:26.10 | giel | zecke: i have a fair degree of freedom, being research |
| 11:26.11 | zecke | giel: I have heard that plenty of times :) |
| 11:26.46 | giel | anyway, i can't seem to link against the only binary i have with anything else but the 3.4.0-vfp from codesourcery |
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| 11:27.15 | zecke | giel: don't know your skills but... |
| 11:27.45 | hrw|work | florian_kc: this way I know that all stuff is available and do not have to duplicate packages on disk |
| 11:27.49 | koen | giel: that's probably because OE doesn't know how to generate hardvfp toolchains for gcc 3.x :( |
| 11:28.03 | giel | koen: might be it indeed |
| 11:28.09 | zecke | giel: you use the csr toolchain? and you pass -march=iwmmxt and -mcpu=iwmmxt |
| 11:28.16 | zecke | to the compiler or nothing? |
| 11:28.29 | koen | vfp and iwmmxt together? |
| 11:28.30 | koen | leet |
| 11:28.41 | zecke | koen: I have included the ezx-cross-dev (gcc3.3.6) |
| 11:28.41 | giel | koen: either the linker was complaining about linking non-vfp code to vfp code, or about mixing EABI 0 and EABI 4 |
| 11:28.51 | zecke | oh |
| 11:29.10 | zecke | giel: take a look at the CSR 'spec' and either make sure OE is not passing -mcp or -march flags |
| 11:29.30 | zecke | or use the right CPU settings |
| 11:29.41 | pb__ | zecke: uh, dunno. I haven't looked at those patches. |
| 11:29.43 | zecke | also objdump can be a nice tool |
| 11:29.44 | giel | well, it seems that i am able to compile most of my stuff now with the 3.4.0-vfp anyway |
| 11:29.48 | pb__ | maybe bernd will merge them one day |
| 11:29.55 | zecke | pb__: hehe |
| 11:30.24 | giel | zecke: but thanks for this pointers, i will try them somewhere this week... i'm not fulltime on this |
| 11:30.36 | giel | these* |
| 11:30.39 | zecke | good luck |
| 11:31.26 | zecke | koen: private flags = 602: [ACPS-32] [VFP float format] [software FP] |
| 11:31.32 | zecke | koen: is that good? |
| 11:31.59 | koen | that's softvfp |
| 11:32.03 | koen | which is nice |
| 11:32.13 | zecke | gcc 3.3.6 |
| 11:32.29 | zecke | taken from ezx-cross-dev |
| 11:33.24 | giel | uhm wait a minute, maybe a stupid question... what is the CSR toolchain? i mis-interpreted the whole time for csl |
| 11:33.35 | koen | zecke: softvfp enables you to use iwmmxt |
| 11:34.08 | zecke | CodeSourcey I think |
| 11:34.15 | zecke | at least this is what I meant to say |
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| 11:34.54 | giel | ah okay |
| 11:35.03 | giel | then pbly csr == csl ;) |
| 11:35.18 | zecke | right :) |
| 11:35.32 | zecke | I'm confused, too many terminals and screens... |
| 11:35.40 | giel | :) |
| 11:36.03 | koen | zecke: may I reuse some of the wiki in my SoCDOC? |
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| 11:37.26 | giel | # PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = "3.4.4+csl-arm-2005q3" |
| 11:37.28 | giel | that one? |
| 11:38.20 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
| 11:38.27 | zecke | koen: sure |
| 11:38.31 | koen | giel: that's a csl toolchain, but I don't now how to tell it to generate EABI0 instead of EABI4 |
| 11:39.33 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: welcome back |
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| 11:45.12 | giel | koen: i might just try to build the 3.4.0 csl 2004q1 from source with OE |
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| 11:54.45 | CIA-9 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rade4046c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gtk+_2.10.1.bb : rediff and re-add the no-demos patch |
| 11:58.27 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: can you fix poodle keyboard config in gpe? |
| 11:58.48 | zecke | koen: let us migrate to launchd for angstrom |
| 12:01.12 | koen | zecke: that's actually a good idea |
| 12:01.35 | hrw|work | what is launchd? |
| 12:01.57 | koen | apple's answer to initscripts |
| 12:02.01 | hrw|work | ah |
| 12:02.11 | florian_kc | koen: that gpe-conf bb is bad - or something else. it doesn't pull in things it needs for installing |
| 12:02.33 | koen | florian_kc: that .bb is made for .dev |
| 12:03.11 | koen | afaik .oz doesn't have BUILDALL_DEPS |
| 12:04.17 | florian_kc | koen: ah |
| 12:05.01 | florian_kc | heh |
| 12:05.14 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that's why i build from the scratch :-) |
| 12:06.02 | florian_kc | koen: any more differences i should consider? |
| 12:07.04 | zecke | hehe -DPOSIX_MISTAKES |
| 12:07.09 | zecke | hehe -DPOSIX_MISTAKE |
| 12:07.10 | zecke | even |
| 12:07.15 | zecke | I love OpenBSD |
| 12:17.50 | hrw|work | re |
| 12:20.53 | koen | hrw|work: wb |
| 12:29.17 | zecke | hrw|work: the kernel patch broke? |
| 12:29.22 | zecke | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenZaurus-354x |
| 12:30.25 | hrw|work | zecke: qemu-native |
| 12:31.12 | koen | TINDERBOX Task do_populate_staging failed (FAILURE) |
| 12:31.16 | koen | weird |
| 12:31.35 | zecke | and linux-openzaurus is failing as well |
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| 12:32.13 | hrw|work | zecke: which build is kernel failing? |
| 12:32.16 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:32.33 | zecke | RP: poky fails as well |
| 12:33.06 | Cobelius | when ich try to make a image I get Cannot find package task-bootstrap. |
| 12:33.44 | zecke | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=58&logfile=20060808043204.log |
| 12:34.36 | zecke | hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=80&logfile=20060808121831.log |
| 12:34.44 | RP | zecke: A fix for that was checked in recently ;-) |
| 12:35.19 | zecke | RP: is this service useful for you? (tinderbox) |
| 12:35.29 | koen | zecke: can we have a tinderIRCbot? |
| 12:35.39 | zecke | sure |
| 12:36.01 | RP | zecke: Partly :). I just wish the output was more readable :) |
| 12:36.13 | zecke | even more readbale? |
| 12:36.52 | RP | "<--- TINDERBOX Task do_patch failed (FAILURE)" doesn't help me much |
| 12:37.30 | zecke | RP: that is a bitbake bug |
| 12:37.38 | RP | Its a step the right way, we just need to build upon it. OH has plans to run our own automated builds at some point and we'll need a reporting infrastructure |
| 12:38.19 | zecke | if possible please coordinate with me |
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| 12:42.11 | hrw|work | zecke: can tinderbox report also PR? |
| 12:42.16 | hrw|work | ---> TINDERBOX Package linux-openzaurus-2.6.17 started |
| 12:42.22 | hrw|work | ---> TINDERBOX Package linux-openzaurus-2.6.17-r15 started |
| 12:42.32 | zecke | hrw|work: yes! |
| 12:42.39 | zecke | hrw|work: tinderclient.bbclass needs to send it |
| 12:42.40 | hrw|work | second version is usefull, first is not |
| 12:43.33 | zecke | feel free to add it now |
| 12:43.33 | zecke | I plan to do it tonight... |
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| 12:44.04 | hrw|work | zecke: can look but first have to finish e24 club, my VW and few other websites... |
| 12:44.16 | zecke | sure! |
| 12:44.21 | zecke | same applies here |
| 12:49.10 | hrw|work | hi Cliff |
| 13:05.42 | RP | zecke: As soon as we know what we're thinking of doing, I'll discuss it with you :) |
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| 13:22.53 | mikearthur | how do I add the modules to the gpe-image? they come in an externel .tgz file that I don't think the Tosa flasher uses |
| 13:23.07 | hrw|work | mikearthur: which one you lack? |
| 13:23.19 | hrw|work | mikearthur: add them into BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS |
| 13:24.07 | mikearthur | hrw|work: well, it generates a file with all the modules, but they don't end up in the jffs2 |
| 13:24.36 | hrw|work | mikearthur: modules*.tgz is extra bonus. all modules are packaged anyway |
| 13:24.50 | hrw|work | mikearthur: I ask again: Which module you lack? |
| 13:24.52 | hrw|work | name |
| 13:25.07 | mikearthur | hrw|work: any, there are no modules on the device |
| 13:25.16 | hrw|work | none at all? |
| 13:25.20 | hrw|work | mikearthur: .dev or .oz354x? |
| 13:25.26 | mikearthur | oz354x |
| 13:25.40 | hrw|work | mikearthur: mtn pull;mtn update and rebuild |
| 13:30.27 | hrw|work | mikearthur: 68 kernel modules installed in just built gpe-image for tosa |
| 13:30.38 | mikearthur | ok |
| 13:30.48 | RP | mikearthur: That .tgz is just for help with kernel development. You don't actually have to use it ;-) |
| 13:30.59 | mikearthur | RP: just checkin ;) |
| 13:31.32 | mikearthur | sadly, you can't make half the tosa stuff modules anyway :( |
| 13:31.45 | mikearthur | because then the pwm won't build |
| 13:32.05 | hrw|work | pwm? |
| 13:32.26 | giel | i'm probably blind because i've been doing this all day, but why is the preferred version of glibc 2.4 not available while there really is a glibc_2.4.bb |
| 13:32.33 | florian_kc | hrw|work: the image is ready but i'll test it before pushing |
| 13:32.39 | hrw|work | florian_kc: cool |
| 13:32.51 | hrw|work | florian_kc: h3900 one? |
| 13:32.54 | florian_kc | hrw|work: yes |
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| 13:35.20 | hrw|work | RP: on tosa we have audio inside of kernel? |
| 13:35.43 | RP | hrw|work: We might have to have for the touchscreen/battery, I'm not sure |
| 13:36.06 | hrw|work | RP: yes. inside of kernel |
| 13:36.10 | hrw|work | just checked |
| 13:36.20 | hrw|work | iirc ts/battery like you told |
| 13:40.22 | zecke | giel: some bitbake bug, which he not yet addressed/searched/fixed |
| 13:41.48 | do13_ | hrw|work: only the alsa core is in the kernel. oss emulation are modules |
| 13:42.20 | RP | zecke, giel: I'm not sure it is an acutal bug - its to do with glibc-initial |
| 13:43.21 | hrw|work | do13_: I was suprised a bit when saw only few sound modules |
| 13:44.11 | do13_ | It's correct, tosa needs ac97 to read the battery |
| 13:45.29 | do13_ | btw, can you remove pxaficp-ir from openzaurus.conf, these needs to stay in the machine config, because collie doesn't have this module |
| 13:46.11 | zecke | RP: I have never looked at it, but it is another issue of "we need better error reporting capabilities" |
| 13:46.18 | RP | do13_: As long as its a RRECOMMENDS, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 13:46.53 | RP | zecke: Right, agreed. I'm still working on the dependency code rewrite and it should make this kind of thing much easier |
| 13:47.22 | do13_ | RP: thx, right I haven't read the whole line |
| 13:48.16 | zecke | yipee |
| 13:48.28 | zecke | I try to teach my body to prepare for the exams... |
| 13:48.37 | zecke | sadly it is freaing/chickening out again |
| 13:48.49 | zecke | getting really depressed :} |
| 13:48.58 | RP | zecke: :-/ |
| 13:49.20 | zecke | NAbyss: hey, progress on the survey? |
| 13:51.19 | zecke | I think I should rent a cave for one month+internet access |
| 13:51.24 | zecke | and just play cave man |
| 13:56.49 | hrw|work | do13_: few other modules need such cleanup too but current situation is better then was anyway |
| 13:57.46 | mikearthur | NOTE: Applying patch 'hrw-pcmcia-ids-r4.patch' |
| 13:57.46 | mikearthur | ERROR: function do_patchcmd failed |
| 13:57.54 | mikearthur | on building a gpe-image, just did a monotone update |
| 13:58.23 | hrw|work | o. |
| 13:58.55 | hrw|work | checking.. |
| 13:59.43 | mikearthur | hrw|work: cheers |
| 14:02.25 | do13_ | hrw|work: agreed. any plans to do this in .dev? |
| 14:02.29 | mikearthur | hrw|work: I seem to have r3 of the patch |
| 14:04.20 | RP | do13_: Did you see ny comments in the mail "beyond BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS" to oe@ ? |
| 14:04.24 | mikearthur | hrw|work: changed to -r3 in the .bb, works fine |
| 14:04.36 | hrw|work | mikearthur: pushed r4 |
| 14:04.44 | mikearthur | hrw|work: ok |
| 14:04.48 | mikearthur | mtn update again? |
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| 14:04.59 | koen | mikearthur: pull and update :) |
| 14:05.00 | hrw|work | mikearthur: pull/update |
| 14:05.10 | hrw|work | I have to resend this patch to pcmcia list |
| 14:06.17 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6c655233... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus 2.6.17: added missing patch |
| 14:08.11 | do13_ | RP: sorry, which mail? Hmm I overlooked these mail :) |
| 14:08.30 | hrw|work | do13_: .dev is a bit harder as there are many distros which use zaurus machines |
| 14:08.39 | RP | do13_: The subject was the quote |
| 14:09.11 | RP | do13_: Basically I was proposing a rework for the machine files and task-bootstrap - I've already applied to poky |
| 14:10.49 | do13_ | RP: sounds good. I'll dig later in mail folder :) |
| 14:11.43 | RP | If Zaurus people are agreeable, we could apply to the zaurus and maybe angstrom and others can convert if they want |
| 14:12.44 | do13_ | hrw|work: Is the modules stripping fixed in .354x? |
| 14:13.43 | hrw|work | do13_: what was error? |
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| 14:14.02 | koen | RP: angstrom would welcome it |
| 14:14.20 | koen | RP: although I'm pretty happy with what packages/angstrom is doing |
| 14:14.21 | do13_ | hrw|work: Hmm from memory: modules aren't stripped into the image |
| 14:15.31 | do13_ | hrw|work: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1182 |
| 14:16.41 | koen | and glibc doesn't package utf8 stuff |
| 14:17.21 | koen | hrw|work: do you know of any program that can re-indent a php file? |
| 14:17.29 | RP | koen: This would basically be a solution to the problem of the machine speciifc modules which task-angstrom doesn't currently cover |
| 14:17.48 | hrw|work | koen: vim? |
| 14:17.50 | ArjanS | koen: vim can re-indent almost every programming language |
| 14:19.22 | hrw|work | do13_: I did not touched it |
| 14:22.40 | mikearthur | hrw|work: works fine now |
| 14:25.35 | alan|philo | hey all |
| 14:26.04 | alan|philo | could someone confirm that sbagen is not in OE, please ? |
| 14:27.13 | koen | alan|philo: is 'find' or 'ls' broken on your computer? |
| 14:27.56 | alan|philo | koen: i don't have enough space for now, so i don't have any local copy anymmore |
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| 14:28.19 | alan|philo | and afaik, no bot here can answer that question... |
| 14:28.41 | koen | alan|philo: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ |
| 14:28.48 | florian_kc | hrw|work: works... apart from some ipaq issues. pushing now. |
| 14:29.19 | alan|philo | koen: wonderfull ! i had forgotten that page... :/ |
| 14:29.21 | hrw|work | florian_kc: great |
| 14:29.56 | alan|philo | hehehe ! it's in ! |
| 14:31.15 | hrw|work | alan|philo: http://hrw.one.pl/tmp/PICT0002.JPG - Zaurus pile |
| 14:31.39 | koen | ~lart people who paste patches inline |
| 14:31.57 | hrw|work | koen: normal on lkml |
| 14:34.11 | alan|philo | hrw|work: (O_o) ... (T_T) ... (^_^) |
| 14:34.47 | florian_kc | ~lart monotone |
| 14:35.19 | florian_kc | mtn: misuse: 17 missing files; use 'mtn ls missing' to view |
| 14:37.13 | zecke | koen: I think we should compile all start scripts into a binary |
| 14:37.31 | zecke | koen: time one run, run a News Story that distris created using OE |
| 14:37.41 | zecke | start up to 200% faster than MVista... |
| 14:37.46 | zecke | and then publish a news story |
| 14:38.09 | koen | zecke: mickeyl's plan was to replace altboot with his boot-manager |
| 14:38.24 | koen | zecke: so all we need is to integrate launchd into that |
| 14:38.44 | zecke | koen: we can do it as hacky as MVistas start scripts |
| 14:39.00 | florian_kc | what a crap.. not even the options mtn itself tells me work |
| 14:39.02 | koen | zecke: fwiw, intel cancelled its contract with mv and is using timesys tools now |
| 14:39.02 | zecke | just to win the record... |
| 14:39.10 | hrw|work | florian_kc: mtn list missing |
| 14:39.20 | zecke | koen: oh |
| 14:39.39 | hrw|work | florian_kc: pull/update/commit/push |
| 14:39.49 | koen | zecke: lennert and I were drooling over the dual-core xscales with 2x512kB cache |
| 14:40.04 | hrw|work | timesys has nice presentation 'why to choose us' |
| 14:40.14 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that's what i did - pull&merge ran, up failed |
| 14:40.34 | hrw|work | florian_kc: mtn revert --missing? |
| 14:40.38 | florian_kc | hrw|work: it complained about files i removed (and checked in) as well as files someone else removed. |
| 14:40.48 | hrw|work | florian_kc: hm.. |
| 14:41.01 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that's what fails, it gives me the help |
| 14:41.03 | zecke | hrw|work: the presentation was nice |
| 14:41.04 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * r4a7bc9b7... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-edit/gpe-edit_0.31.bb): gpe-edit: add 0.31 |
| 14:41.10 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * r7e639a13... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): gpe-edit: drop some ancient versions |
| 14:41.11 | zecke | koen: how is this dual core thing named? |
| 14:41.18 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * rab8d79c2... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gpe-bluetooth: add 0.55, drop 0.51 |
| 14:41.27 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * r864dd012... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): gpe-what: add 0.43, drop ancient versions. |
| 14:41.35 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * rb2a74eb5... 10/ (1 conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc): preferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc: New file - this is not a release, but we start fixing the releases. |
| 14:41.42 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * r11646fa3... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): gpe-aerial: include fix for compatibility with newer libgpewidget. drop old releases. |
| 14:41.47 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * rb62b9572... 10/ (18 files in 3 dirs): gpe-login: Add 0.87 supporting new keylaunch. Drop a huge pile of ancient releases. |
| 14:41.52 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * rf0ae8360... 10/ (1 conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc): preferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc: Use newer gpe-login. |
| 14:41.56 | XorA | koen: we need a few of them for ANgstrom |
| 14:41.59 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * re490a656... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-conf/gpe-conf_0.2.0.bb): gpe-conf: Fix dependencies. |
| 14:42.04 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r715f6de1... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): {module-init-tools,modutils}-cross, kernel.bbclass: stage depmod-2.{4,6} instead of depmod - close #524 |
| 14:42.51 | hrw|work | florian_kc: pulling.... |
| 14:43.50 | hrw|work | merged/pushed |
| 14:44.36 | koen | XorA: a few of what? |
| 14:44.41 | hrw|work | florian_kc: building |
| 14:44.44 | koen | (caffeine is wearing off) |
| 14:44.49 | hrw|work | koen: dualcore xscales |
| 14:45.19 | florian_kc | hrw|work: i dropped the files i removed again and restored the missing files, pulling and merging now. |
| 14:45.21 | hrw|work | NOTE: couldn't find pkgconfig module 'sqlite' in any package |
| 14:45.27 | hrw|work | sqlite need update? |
| 14:45.32 | koen | http://www.em.avnet.com/trv/home/0,1876,RID%253D0%2526CID%253D30175%2526CCD%253DUSA%2526SID%253D32214%2526DID%253DDF2%2526LID%253D32235%2526BID%253DDF2%2526CTP%253DTRV,00.html |
| 14:45.40 | zecke | hrw|work: use sqlite3 |
| 14:45.59 | hrw|work | zecke: gpe use sqlite2 still |
| 14:46.05 | XorA | koen: dual cores |
| 14:46.08 | koen | florian_kc: did you use the '-e' option? |
| 14:46.24 | koen | XorA: more like "freaking fast coprocessor" |
| 14:46.30 | woglinde | re |
| 14:46.39 | florian_kc | hrw|work: huh? unlikely... |
| 14:46.41 | mikearthur | XorA: I was playing with your potential new machine today ;) |
| 14:46.57 | florian_kc | koen: no |
| 14:47.05 | x29a_ | woglinde: http://nopaste.php-q.net/231133 look at that crap |
| 14:47.07 | florian_kc | now i get: mtn: misuse: path _MTN/tmp/1 already exists |
| 14:47.21 | hrw|work | koen: wince on one core + linux on another... interesting |
| 14:47.35 | woglinde | x29a yeah your flash broken |
| 14:47.39 | woglinde | this happens |
| 14:48.12 | x29a_ | so i have to solder in a new one? |
| 14:48.13 | woglinde | dont know if flashmem can exclude broken blocks |
| 14:48.26 | x29a_ | why the heck with me? |
| 14:48.30 | woglinde | I think yes because that are early blocks |
| 14:49.06 | woglinde | bbl |
| 14:49.18 | x29a_ | aaar shit |
| 14:49.30 | florian_kc | hrw|work: now after the second merge the files it compained about were removed (e.g. some emacs stuff) |
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| 14:51.14 | woglinde | re |
| 14:51.27 | XorA | mikearthur: cool |
| 14:51.44 | florian_kc | ok... here we go |
| 14:52.12 | x29a_ | woglinde: erasing block 8 works tho |
| 14:52.21 | x29a_ | woglinde: are u 100% positiv on a broken flash? |
| 14:52.32 | woglinde | no |
| 14:52.49 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * rd5df64d4... 10/ (15 files in 2 dirs): gpe-login: drop old releases again |
| 14:57.34 | koen | florian_kc: using 'mtn drop -e <files>' usually avoids troubles like that |
| 14:57.57 | mikearthur | whats the openzaurus default dhcp client? |
| 14:58.43 | woglinde | hm udhcpc I guess |
| 14:59.03 | florian_kc | koen: hum well, from the fact that these files were missing i guess that this actually happened. |
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| 15:16.43 | zecke | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/0/0022.html |
| 15:16.49 | zecke | I miss my very own special branch |
| 15:17.44 | Kristoffer | Having issues compiling libx11-X11R7, seems like some include issues. any preferred provider I should set? |
| 15:17.47 | koen | zecke: I think short-lived branched would do wonders for OE qa |
| 15:17.48 | Kristoffer | zecke: :D |
| 15:22.40 | koen | Kristoffer: see conf/distro/include/ |
| 15:22.57 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:23.04 | koen | hey chouimat |
| 15:26.15 | Kristoffer | koen: thx |
| 15:26.42 | koen | zecke: where short-lived means a < 1 month |
| 15:29.36 | chouimat | koen I just did something I should have done more than 2 years ago when I moved in ... plug the soundsystem :) |
| 15:29.59 | koen | chouimat: yay! |
| 15:30.15 | koen | chouimat: I hope your neighbours share your choice of music :) |
| 15:33.28 | chouimat | koen: actually I was tired of listening to spanish pop, arab pop and asian pop ... so now I playing something more robust: Dream Theater and Fate Warning ;) |
| 15:35.35 | JustinP | chouimat: :-) |
| 15:45.04 | koen | oooh, Dream Theater |
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| 16:00.36 | mikearthur | koen: they pwn |
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| 16:04.17 | koen | mikearthur: they sure do |
| 16:05.39 | koen | sadly they aren't playing at lowlands |
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| 16:09.42 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:10.27 | mikearthur | koen: don't worry, good band, but terrible live |
| 16:12.29 | mikearthur | off home, slaters all |
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| 16:15.35 | JustinP | koen: I wouldn't say terrible live....James LaBrie is...not good, but it's awesome to see the rest playing :-) |
| 16:16.13 | woglinde | hi andersee |
| 16:16.46 | woglinde | koen you are travelling to lowland? |
| 16:30.11 | andersee | woglinde: morning |
| 16:33.05 | zecke | going home how |
| 16:33.06 | zecke | cya |
| 16:37.28 | koen | woglinde: actually I'm going to work there |
| 16:38.15 | woglinde | koen as rowdy? |
| 16:39.02 | koen | woglinde: site-crew |
| 16:39.14 | koen | I'm the one with the gaffa tape and tie-wraps |
| 16:39.30 | woglinde | hehe |
| 16:44.54 | woglinde | he renoo |
| 16:45.06 | reenoo | hi woglinde |
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| 16:46.25 | mr_nice_slacker | hi all |
| 16:47.14 | mr_nice_slacker | ping x29a_ |
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| 16:50.04 | mickeyl | morning |
| 16:50.35 | Crofton | hey mickeyl |
| 16:50.44 | Crofton | I sent you my key a week or so back |
| 16:50.48 | woglinde | he mickeyl |
| 16:51.03 | mickeyl | RP: sorry for not having replied to your feature-based reorginzation of task-bootstrap. I fully agree with this - it's much better than all we have right now, so lets go for it |
| 16:51.09 | mickeyl | Crofton: did you? which key address? |
| 16:51.17 | Crofton | philip@balister.org |
| 16:51.18 | mickeyl | things are very hectic here lately |
| 16:51.22 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:51.23 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:52.14 | mickeyl | ah right. i see it in my inbox. would it be possible for you to regenerate the key with a @openembedded.org address? I'm afraid that's our recent key policy |
| 16:53.09 | Crofton | I suppose |
| 16:53.32 | mickeyl | excellent. in that case I'll add it right after I get it today :) |
| 16:54.27 | Crofton | how do I get an openembedded.org address? |
| 16:54.28 | mickeyl | private life? nah, who needs this :D |
| 16:54.31 | Crofton | right |
| 16:55.21 | mickeyl | Crofton: you just use it as the key address. oe org mailing list forwarders are on the todo eventually. for now, key adresses are not necessarily valid e-mail adresses. |
| 16:55.42 | Crofton | ah |
| 16:55.43 | Crofton | ok |
| 16:56.04 | RP | mickeyl: Thanks. As that's ok with you, I'll rearrange the Zaurii to start with and change OZ in .dev to use it. Hopefully others will then follow the lead :) |
| 16:56.26 | mickeyl | RP: i think so |
| 16:57.18 | RP | The oe list appears to be stalled for me - is anyone else getting mails? |
| 16:57.40 | mickeyl | twice today. "Re: Help a Newb" or so |
| 16:58.09 | RP | I got those two but nothing since 10am ish (i.e. no commits) :-/ |
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| 17:00.43 | RP | I expect I'll do it one night this week, maybe tomorrow :) |
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| 17:01.29 | dmd | y'ello! |
| 17:01.45 | dmd | is mr rp present? |
| 17:01.54 | RP | hi dmd |
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| 17:02.00 | dmd | Hi RP! |
| 17:02.12 | koen | hmm |
| 17:02.27 | koen | can I do TARGET_ARCH_xscale = "arm" inside a .bb? |
| 17:02.39 | koen | or will that disturb the time/space continuum? |
| 17:02.51 | RP | Is xscale an override? |
| 17:03.09 | koen | it's the TARGET_ARCH I'm building for |
| 17:03.10 | Genesis | bye |
| 17:03.26 | koen | apparently gcc enables some intrinsics when using that |
| 17:04.04 | RP | I'd try and stick to arm but change it for gcc's benefit when needed if possible |
| 17:04.23 | RP | otherwise the arm overrides are going to fail |
| 17:04.25 | dmd | RP: do you know what I'm going to ask (this is danboid)? |
| 17:04.39 | dmd | its that time again :) |
| 17:04.44 | RP | dmd: overlay support? |
| 17:04.48 | dmd | yup :) |
| 17:05.20 | RP | no change in status and my free time is none existent atm :-( |
| 17:05.28 | RP | Its still planned though |
| 17:05.49 | dmd | darn! one day, one day! |
| 17:05.57 | RP | we will get there |
| 17:06.08 | koen | patches welcome |
| 17:06.19 | dmd | I'm going to organise a party or summat when you get it done |
| 17:06.37 | dmd | send you some beer |
| 17:07.20 | dmd | any news on GPE 2.8? |
| 17:07.34 | koen | dmd: try #gpe |
| 17:07.42 | dmd | yeah! |
| 17:07.46 | dmd | good idea! |
| 17:08.49 | dmd | oh yeah, koen, forgot you in the geek comp. le geek, c'est chic! Yr probably not mightily bothered tho I'd imagine |
| 17:10.41 | koen | dmd: not at all |
| 17:11.46 | dmd | just a laaff! |
| 17:21.22 | sirfred | RP: Hello. I'm starting to understand the odd results of alpha blending on the w100. |
| 17:22.51 | sirfred | RP: A little question about it: Empirically, it seems that the framebuffer pixels are RGB565. On the other hand, the "supported" working modes are ARGB4444 and ARGB1555 as they are the only 16 bpp known values (constants). |
| 17:24.16 | sirfred | RP: Alpha blending arithmetic is assuming ARGB1555 or ARGB444, and that's the reason colors get distorted. Do you know why the screen works in RGB565? |
| 17:24.34 | sirfred | Is it something physical, not configurable? |
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| 17:31.25 | zecke | hehe |
| 17:31.34 | zecke | koen|away: Mr. Drepper qualifies OSX as insane |
| 17:32.44 | koen | zecke: heh |
| 17:32.55 | koen | zecke: he also says glibc can't be crosscompiled |
| 17:33.28 | zecke | koen: and I say "his mother is so huge...." |
| 17:33.51 | koen | ... she has her own zipcode |
| 17:33.58 | zecke | hehe |
| 17:34.34 | zecke | "------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com 2006-08-08 17:24 ------- |
| 17:34.38 | zecke | You need a sane environment. OS X does not qualify. |
| 17:34.40 | zecke | " |
| 17:34.52 | zecke | oh |
| 17:34.53 | koen | zecke: is your bike still functional? |
| 17:35.15 | zecke | koen: It is still non-functional |
| 17:36.08 | zecke | my mon threw the quick release skewers away... |
| 17:36.26 | zecke | and I considered it too dangerous to drive without them... |
| 17:37.51 | zecke | need to reboot now |
| 17:38.23 | zecke | koen: so drepper says: To compile glibc 2.4 on linux 2.6.16 for x86 you need linux 2.6.16, x86 and glibc2.4 running |
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| 17:56.29 | RP | hi sirfred |
| 17:56.46 | sirfred | RP: Hello! |
| 17:56.47 | RP | sirfred: Isn't there a bit in the magic debug register that has something to do with 565? |
| 17:57.25 | RP | sirfred: I'm not here for long but did read your email with interest. 565 is a property of the physical screen :-/ |
| 17:57.55 | sirfred | RP: :( |
| 17:58.17 | sirfred | RP: But now that you mention it, I remember something like 565_for_non2d |
| 17:59.15 | sirfred | RP: dst565_for_not_2d. Good hint. |
| 18:01.47 | RP | sirfred: There isn't a dst565_for_2d is there? :) |
| 18:02.15 | sirfred | RP: Well, I think that the arithmetic operations (stretchblt, alpha blending) are the ones they call non2d |
| 18:02.35 | sirfred | RP: When the E2_ARITHMETIC register is involved. |
| 18:02.54 | sirfred | RP: I'm looking at the altcore code, and it seems that the mmDEBUG1 is involved. |
| 18:03.58 | sirfred | It smells like a workaround for not supporting RGB565 directly or something so. |
| 18:09.50 | RP | sirfred: It does - maybe an afterthought... |
| 18:10.53 | sirfred | RP: It worked! |
| 18:11.33 | sirfred | RP: OUTREG(mmDEBUG1, 0x70000), and red is not "migrating" to "green" bits anymore |
| 18:11.51 | sirfred | RP: Thanks a lot |
| 18:12.53 | RP | sirfred: excellent! :) |
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| 18:48.32 | sirfred | RP: I wonder where this name came from : lpgDrvState->dst565_for_not_2d |
| 18:50.09 | sirfred | RP: It seems too specific for reverse engineered stuff, perhaps from some log string ? |
| 18:52.17 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: pong |
| 18:54.01 | x29a_ | woglinde: i erased blocks 0-128 and that worked just fine |
| 18:54.10 | woglinde | x29a hm |
| 18:54.15 | x29a_ | woglinde: u think i should just try to reflash the image? |
| 18:54.16 | woglinde | than only one block is defekt |
| 18:54.25 | woglinde | hm why not |
| 18:54.27 | woglinde | test it |
| 18:54.27 | x29a_ | but it erased block 8 as well |
| 18:54.34 | x29a_ | just takes a shitload of time |
| 18:54.43 | woglinde | have no cristal bowl |
| 18:55.00 | x29a_ | aww, bummer |
| 18:55.43 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: http://nopaste.php-q.net/231133 |
| 18:58.05 | Crofton | mickeyl, new key otw |
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| 19:04.21 | Crofton | wookey, you the caving wookey? |
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| 19:10.51 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a:hi |
| 19:11.42 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: hi |
| 19:11.44 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a: sorry i have no guess :(. you can try to check the flash with jtag tools? |
| 19:12.00 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: dont know the command, think its not capable of checking |
| 19:12.09 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: i erased block 0-128, worked just fine |
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| 19:13.05 | zecke | woglinde: may I use these servers for OE http://www.mi.fu-berlin.de/tec/serv_compute_server.shtml? |
| 19:13.08 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a: well if it will be really the flash - what is not clear at the moment the - good news are that you will geta new chip for about 20 Euros |
| 19:13.24 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a: but we have to figgure out how to check it first |
| 19:13.27 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: im not too excited about soldering them |
| 19:14.10 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a: well as i sayed the state of your chips it is unclear. jtag should be able to check it |
| 19:14.28 | x29a_ | not that i know of |
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| 19:15.09 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: did you tried it a few times or only one time? |
| 19:15.24 | x29a_ | just once |
| 19:15.32 | x29a_ | took already 4h to get to block 8 |
| 19:15.40 | x29a_ | i think it must have been almost done |
| 19:15.58 | x29a_ | and tonight a need a goodnights sleep (lots to do tomorrow at work) so i cant leave my computer running |
| 19:16.06 | Crofton | any gurus on the git fetcher here? |
| 19:16.33 | Crofton | I need to fethc a git tagged version of uboot for the OMAP5912OSK ... |
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| 19:17.11 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: try it a few times - i have heard from simon about errors while flashing and he tried it a second and it worked. |
| 19:17.44 | x29a_ | k, ill get up earlier tomorrow to start the flashprogram |
| 19:18.17 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: if another try will fail on another adress it could be only a connection problem |
| 19:18.25 | x29a_ | mr_nice_slacker: hmm |
| 19:19.09 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: It is worth a try I think |
| 19:19.37 | x29a_ | fo shizzle on that one |
| 19:23.39 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_:hopefully you will be able to bring it back to life |
| 19:23.51 | x29a_ | yeah |
| 19:24.01 | x29a_ | would suck if flashsoldering is included |
| 19:24.19 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: you are one of them with the most articles ;) |
| 19:25.03 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: well i want to buy a hotair solder station which is exactly designed for such things |
| 19:25.13 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: but it is a bit expensive |
| 19:25.23 | x29a_ | where do u live? |
| 19:25.26 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_:wiesbaden |
| 19:25.34 | x29a_ | ah right |
| 19:25.39 | x29a_ | 500km orso |
| 19:25.57 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_:well that is a bit to far away |
| 19:27.56 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: I got respond for the bluetoot / wlan chips |
| 19:28.20 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: they want to know a bit more about my company *lol |
| 19:28.49 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: I have to think about the right words I have to send them. |
| 19:29.27 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: can't find the chips elswhere and all are vpe > 1000 |
| 19:30.26 | mr_nice_slacker | x29a_: we will enter the market and then buy you a new simpad - if necessary. |
| 19:35.01 | JustinP | wow....well.... |
| 19:35.14 | JustinP | my system is so much faster now |
| 19:35.22 | woglinde | justinp wich? |
| 19:36.23 | JustinP | my server/router/build box |
| 19:36.46 | JustinP | it went belly up on me yesterday so I went out and bought a new motherboard, CPU, and ram |
| 19:37.36 | JustinP | from an older AMD (1Ghz) with SDRAM to a new Athlon64 (3200) with DDR RAM....such a difference ^_^ |
| 19:37.43 | JustinP | building will be much less painful now :-) |
| 19:37.56 | woglinde | *g* yes |
| 19:40.32 | JustinP | of course I wasn't prepared to spend the money on it......but oh well |
| 19:44.46 | pgfeller | ... just found the screencast how to setup OE on the web-page: very nicely done, thanks to who ever did this. |
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| 19:52.55 | JustinP | screencast? |
| 19:53.19 | pgfeller | justinP: the flash tutorial |
| 20:01.29 | Crofton | where is the code for the git fetcher? |
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| 20:10.01 | JustinP | pgfeller: where is this? |
| 20:11.47 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb18eee0b... 10/ (1 packages/meta/gpe-image.bb): gpe-image: do not ship sylpheed for poodle - it does not fit on screen |
| 20:11.48 | Crofton | any git fetcher gurus awake? |
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| 20:12.30 | pgfeller | justinP: http://www.openembedded.org/ => Documentation => Tutorial |
| 20:12.45 | pgfeller | justinP: http://www.openembedded.org/screencasts/org.openembedded.htm |
| 20:13.07 | JustinP | hmmm, hadn't seen that |
| 20:13.15 | JustinP | thx |
| 20:29.26 | koen | Crofton: iirc it's in bitbake/ |
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| 20:30.26 | Crofton | koen |
| 20:30.40 | Crofton | I need to make a bb file for uboot based on a git tag |
| 20:30.41 | koen | meh |
| 20:30.44 | koen | I suck at php |
| 20:31.23 | JustinP | koen: I rock at php |
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| 20:34.21 | woglinde | justinp jesus |
| 20:34.25 | woglinde | php |
| 20:34.27 | woglinde | oh my god |
| 20:34.59 | Crofton | how do you figure out a git path from the gitweb cgi script ????? |
| 20:35.17 | pgfeller | pgfeller: ... what is wrong with php? |
| 20:36.47 | JustinP | woglinde: what is wrong with PHP? I realize it's not as tried and true some othe rlanguages, but it works very well for the web and scripting |
| 20:37.20 | koen | and my parser for Packages.gz is ~10x faster as the python one |
| 20:37.44 | koen | not a fair competition since I'm using sqlite and the python one mysql |
| 20:37.46 | woglinde | justinp security |
| 20:37.56 | woglinde | and rails makes more fun |
| 20:39.14 | woglinde | koen? |
| 20:39.31 | woglinde | Packages.gz and mysql? |
| 20:39.38 | koen | woglinde: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/repo.php |
| 20:40.07 | woglinde | mysql is the second thing I dont like |
| 20:40.28 | koen | woglinde: I'm writing a new ipkgfind type of app |
| 20:40.41 | woglinde | hm? |
| 20:40.41 | koen | with uploading and gpg signing support |
| 20:40.55 | woglinde | whats ipkgfind exactly doing? |
| 20:42.03 | Crofton | ah, I have cloned the u-boot git repo |
| 20:43.01 | woglinde | crofton hehe |
| 20:44.20 | koen | woglinde: think packages.debian.org, but on steroids |
| 20:46.06 | woglinde | ah okay |
| 20:46.13 | JustinP | woglinde: please restate your problem. All apps are insecure if you write them incorrectly. |
| 20:46.54 | woglinde | justinp but there is a higly rate of unsecure apps with php |
| 20:47.18 | JustinP | woglinde: that doesn't make PHP bad |
| 20:47.24 | woglinde | no? |
| 20:47.24 | JoeSchmo | name one, i've been writing it for the last 2 weeks, havn't found a hole yet |
| 20:47.31 | Crofton | koen, do you know much about writing bb files that get source from a git tag? |
| 20:47.34 | JustinP | woglinde: PEAR, for instance, is high quality PHP code |
| 20:47.43 | JoeSchmo | and yes, i have been executing programs with user input through it :) |
| 20:47.49 | JustinP | tries to close up as many security problems as possible |
| 20:47.50 | Crofton | I can't find an example in packages |
| 20:47.59 | JustinP | you can write crap in any language |
| 20:48.16 | woglinde | justinp yes, but php seems to force you |
| 20:48.33 | JustinP | woglinde: no, it doesn't. What are you talking about? |
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| 20:48.43 | JustinP | <disclaimer>JustinP is a PEAR developer</disclaimer> |
| 20:48.51 | woglinde | I talk about I dont like php |
| 20:48.54 | woglinde | nothing perosnal |
| 20:49.15 | JustinP | woglinde: it has some misfeatures that people use incorrectly, yes (magic quotes is evil) but that doesn't mean there is a problem with the language. |
| 20:49.21 | JustinP | anyway, this is OT |
| 20:49.27 | woglinde | jepp |
| 20:49.30 | cyrilRomain | 'evening ! |
| 20:49.39 | woglinde | hi cyril |
| 20:50.15 | cyrilRomain | hey woglinde |
| 20:50.42 | woglinde | *g* I remeber the times php didnt have for-loops |
| 20:51.03 | JustinP | heh |
| 20:51.23 | JustinP | for loops are just convenience syntax sugar for while loops anyway ;-) |
| 20:51.41 | woglinde | but at that time I didnt study cs, so I would know how, to convince btw. for and while loops |
| 20:51.53 | woglinde | wouldnt |
| 20:51.54 | woglinde | damnit |
| 20:52.14 | JustinP | *anyway* |
| 20:52.46 | JustinP | koen: if you'd like some help I'd be happy to help. DB=>Forms are my specialty (see DB_DataObject_FormBuilder) |
| 20:52.59 | JustinP | but I have of course done all sorts of things |
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| 20:57.05 | koen | "Added 2955 packages in 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 23 seconds" |
| 20:58.35 | Crofton | git sucks |
| 21:01.18 | Crofton | rofl |
| 21:01.24 | Crofton | http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Git |
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| 21:09.23 | woglinde | haha |
| 21:09.24 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:09.26 | woglinde | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/85040.aspx |
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| 21:17.36 | cyrilRomain | lol, comments are even more funny that the original post |
| 21:25.41 | koen | JustinP: and now e17 switch to using .desktop files.... |
| 21:28.31 | JustinP | koen: it did? |
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| 21:29.02 | koen | JustinP: see the mail to e-dev from david seikel |
| 21:31.54 | JustinP | well.... |
| 21:32.01 | JustinP | good, then :-) |
| 21:33.58 | koen | I hope they implement some db storage for caching them |
| 21:34.22 | JustinP | :-) |
| 21:34.24 | wookey | Crofton: I am indeed a caving Wookey. Not sure about 'the', but probably :-) |
| 21:34.44 | Crofton | I use survex |
| 21:34.56 | wookey | small world :-) |
| 21:34.58 | Crofton | Seen your name their |
| 21:34.59 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:35.45 | wookey | Where are you? |
| 21:35.58 | Crofton | Blacksburg VA |
| 21:36.12 | wookey | (and is off-topic chat tolerated on this channel?) |
| 21:36.40 | Crofton | well |
| 21:36.52 | wookey | Survex is not widely used inthe states SFAIK. But I suppose if you are a linux user... |
| 21:36.56 | Crofton | I think most of the guys are asleep now :) |
| 21:36.59 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:37.21 | Crofton | the locals all bitch |
| 21:37.28 | wookey | we don't have a survex IRC yet - just the mailing list |
| 21:37.39 | Crofton | that would be cool (irc) |
| 21:37.55 | wookey | well it's trivial to do. |
| 21:37.55 | Crofton | You know a Mike Futrell? |
| 21:38.00 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:38.10 | wookey | I've met him once (at china caves thing last year in london) |
| 21:38.16 | Crofton | thought so |
| 21:38.25 | wookey | nice guy - done some fine work |
| 21:38.35 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:38.48 | Crofton | I've know him forever, since back in his "collegiate" days |
| 21:38.59 | wookey | One day I might end up on a trip with him, which would be cool |
| 21:39.12 | Crofton | well if you are ever over here, look us up |
| 21:39.47 | wookey | RIght-ho. Unfortuntely the missus doesn;t like caving whilst on holiday much these days ... |
| 21:39.58 | Crofton | heh |
| 21:40.09 | wookey | So we have to do nice things instead |
| 21:40.09 | Crofton | Holidays are a vacation from caving |
| 21:40.54 | wookey | ah - youre mr balister. Hi :[-) |
| 21:41.06 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:41.08 | Crofton | Hi |
| 21:41.44 | wookey | I I do find the IRC 'extra name' thing confusing |
| 21:41.49 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:41.58 | Crofton | you are lucky to get yours |
| 21:42.15 | wookey | Indeed (I don't on freenode - someone beat me to it |
| 21:43.47 | Crofton | we should see about a survex/therion irc channel |
| 21:44.59 | Crofton | I need to generate more data to play with |
| 21:46.02 | Crofton | you hang out here often? |
| 21:46.21 | wookey | I just created #cavesurvey on oftc - that'll do for now |
| 21:46.30 | Crofton | oftc? |
| 21:46.43 | wookey | irc.oftc.net |
| 21:52.27 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r06626817... 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 21:52.28 | CIA-9 | Some patches to add Jornada 6xx support and altera model 720 to 7xx. minor |
| 21:52.28 | CIA-9 | alterations of the patches to fix typos. |
| 21:52.33 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r279de7b0... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): |
| 21:52.33 | CIA-9 | conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Fix PREFERRED_PROVIDERS -> PROVIDER. |
| 21:52.33 | CIA-9 | * Minor fix, to set PREFFERED_PROVIDER instead of PROVIDERS. |
| 21:52.39 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r3521a040... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): |
| 21:52.39 | CIA-9 | conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Fix typo |
| 21:52.39 | CIA-9 | * PREFFERD_PROVIDER_virtual/libx11 = "libx11" and not "x11" |
| 21:52.44 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rfbacb29c... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): |
| 21:52.44 | CIA-9 | conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Add X11R7 include, fix typo |
| 21:52.44 | CIA-9 | * Add require conf/distro/include/preferred-x..versions.. |
| 21:52.47 | CIA-9 | * Fix virtal -> virtual in PREFERRED_PROVIDER..xlib11 |
| 22:16.01 | tmbinc | what are typical boot times from OE-based installations? |
| 22:16.19 | tmbinc | we have like 1min or so and i'd like to improve that |
| 22:16.25 | tmbinc | does anybody has some hints? |
| 22:16.38 | tmbinc | busybox' speed seems to be a rather limiting factor |
| 22:19.05 | CosmicPenguin | do you have specific examples? |
| 22:20.32 | sirfred | night |
| 22:20.34 | koen | tmbinc: zecke and I were discussing using launchd (recently opensource from apple) |
| 22:20.46 | koen | anyway |
| 22:20.50 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:22.38 | tmbinc | CosmicPenguin: "populate-volatile.sh" for example took in the range of 15s. I've replaced it with a tarfile. |
| 22:22.52 | CosmicPenguin | populate-volatile.sh isn't busybox, for the record |
| 22:22.59 | CosmicPenguin | and it is not well optimized |
| 22:23.10 | tmbinc | hm, i've always thought that /bin/sh is busybox |
| 22:23.11 | CosmicPenguin | I'll agree - but don't blame the tools, blame the craftsman |
| 22:23.20 | tmbinc | bash is twice as fast |
| 22:23.35 | tmbinc | mainly because it has internal versions of "echo" etc. which are currently disabled in busybox |
| 22:23.37 | tmbinc | becuase of some bugs |
| 22:23.50 | tmbinc | (sorry, that was valid for 1.01 or so. I don't know if this has changed now.) |
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| 22:24.26 | tmbinc | so i blame /etc/init.d for being written as shellscripts, or alternatively i blame busybox for being slow when executing shell scripts |
| 22:24.36 | woglinde | he tmbinc |
| 22:24.40 | woglinde | your old problem |
| 22:24.50 | woglinde | he port smf form sun |
| 22:24.56 | woglinde | *duck and hide* |
| 22:25.03 | woglinde | aehm solaris |
| 22:25.17 | tmbinc | i still didn't get it ;) |
| 22:25.37 | tmbinc | so - the question is more like: Do we have an alternative to /etc/init.d, or is optimizing busybox the clue? |
| 22:25.57 | tmbinc | I suppose a fork() to busybox takes some time, too much time for a simple "echo". So it sums up. |
| 22:26.35 | woglinde | tmbinc isnt another init system a solution? |
| 22:27.07 | tmbinc | like what? |
| 22:27.15 | woglinde | minit |
| 22:27.20 | tmbinc | some people suggested using a init system which executes in parallel |
| 22:27.26 | woglinde | yes |
| 22:27.34 | woglinde | http://www.fbunet.de/minit.shtml |
| 22:27.37 | tmbinc | but i think cpu is at 100%, so it wouldn't help so much |
| 22:27.45 | tmbinc | oh, fefe tools |
| 22:27.48 | woglinde | hehe |
| 22:28.45 | woglinde | i would try it |
| 22:28.58 | woglinde | because dietlibc linking statical |
| 22:29.04 | woglinde | okay |
| 22:29.07 | woglinde | have go to bed |
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