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| 03:55.56 | poushag | i got apache config hacked and my own little ozfeed is now up on the lan :) |
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| 04:09.19 | poushag | i built busybox-1.2 but before installing it i just wanted to ask a few things |
| 04:11.23 | poushag | i ran 'ipkg -test install busybox' and it wanted to upgrade busybox from my feed which is cool but it also wants to upgrade libgcc1 from 3.4.4 to 4.1.1 |
| 04:12.22 | poushag | im a little nervous about doing this since i only have the one Z and i really want to know how to undo this before taking a chance on doing it |
| 04:15.04 | poushag | so can anyone tell me, is undoing the upgrades as simple conceptually as 'ipkg install libgcc-3.4.4' ? (and of course pls correct my syntax if it's wrong) |
| 04:18.51 | multimode | maybe ipkg remove libgcc-3.4.4 -recursive |
| 04:20.38 | poushag | are you sure? i would be undoing the upgrade to 4.1.1 - so 'ipkg remove' as you say is counter to my intuition |
| 04:21.17 | poushag | but i still have a great deal to learn and it wouldnt be the first time my intuition was wrong |
| 04:24.05 | multimode | if the upgrade goes bad you may have to remove busybox and libgcc from your Z and the package feed then reinstall the originals f they are still in your feed. |
| 04:25.17 | poushag | okay - and when upgrading/removing/installing busybox do the changes take effect immediately or only after a reboot? |
| 04:26.12 | multimode | only after a reboot for busybox |
| 04:27.30 | poushag | well good - kinda expected that - but just wanted to be sure |
| 04:27.48 | poushag | i cant find libgcc1 in the oz package feeds |
| 04:29.32 | poushag | nm found it - must be getting tired |
| 04:33.43 | poushag | it seems fairly low risk to upgrade busybox - but i cant think of what else might be broken by such a big change to libgcc1 |
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| 04:35.42 | multimode | busynox is the wm right? |
| 04:36.16 | poushag | i thought busybox was the command line interpreter and opie the wm |
| 04:36.33 | multimode | nm |
| 04:46.02 | poushag | multimode, are you running any self-built ipk upgrades? |
| 04:47.00 | poushag | im curious to know what other folks here have found useful |
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| 06:57.03 | koen | good morning all |
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| 07:46.06 | koen | JustinP: ready when you are with the feed :) |
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| 10:17.54 | zecke | koen: ping |
| 10:23.48 | zecke | mickeyl: hey |
| 10:24.10 | mickeyl | morning folks |
| 10:25.23 | zecke | later |
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| 10:32.09 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r03946c68... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): python-native 2.4.0 don't modify first shebang line when installing packages via distutils. closes #1271 |
| 10:32.19 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf01470a8... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): python-native 2.3.3 remove |
| 10:33.02 | zecke | mickeyl: now one can't use OE to create debian stable packages :) |
| 10:33.24 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 10:33.32 | zecke | master! |
| 10:34.15 | mickeyl | hey pb_ |
| 10:34.30 | pb_ | hail mickeyl |
| 10:34.31 | mickeyl | pb_: now that we use a fast scm, want to be part of us? :) |
| 10:34.37 | zecke | mickeyl: have you ever considered adding the ezx-crossdev patches to OE? |
| 10:35.02 | zecke | mickeyl: you phrase it like he has an option?! |
| 10:35.21 | mickeyl | zecke: not until someone confesses wanting to maintain a ezx-compatible distribution. |
| 10:35.26 | mickeyl | file, at least. |
| 10:35.48 | mickeyl | zecke: in fact he hasn't, but you know i'm getting more polite while growing old :D |
| 10:36.12 | pb_ | mickeyl: sure thing |
| 10:36.16 | zecke | mickeyl: oh well, I will hack a mpkg package format :) |
| 10:37.11 | zecke | mickeyl: my plan is to create ipkg's and then repack them as mpkg |
| 10:37.13 | mickeyl | zecke: sonds good. perhaps we can drag one of those moto-ezx hackers into using OE. |
| 10:38.52 | zecke | koen: Thanks for replying to these PTXdist people |
| 10:40.04 | zecke | hmm I will stop idling then |
| 10:40.35 | zecke | mickeyl: so you will be part of the apple world soon(tm)? |
| 10:43.32 | zecke | mickeyl: did you try 'import this' yet? |
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| 10:50.10 | JustinP | koen: are you registered? |
| 10:53.23 | zecke | nite |
| 10:53.58 | mickeyl | zecke: i hope so. I guess i'll go with a MBP 2Ghz/GB |
| 10:54.08 | mickeyl | zecke: sure. import this rocks :) |
| 10:55.21 | zecke | mickeyl: hehe |
| 11:10.43 | zecke | anyone vetos me changing include to require? |
| 11:14.26 | mickeyl | where it's approriate, sure |
| 11:14.34 | mickeyl | appropriate, even |
| 11:14.39 | zecke | mickeyl: when would it not be appropriate? |
| 11:14.44 | woglinde | hm what? |
| 11:15.01 | mickeyl | in the bitbake.conf |
| 11:15.07 | mickeyl | i.e. not all people have a site.conf |
| 11:15.24 | zecke | mickeyl: ah okay |
| 11:15.34 | zecke | mickeyl: I meant for stuff in packages/*/*.bb |
| 11:16.04 | mickeyl | zecke: ya, there it should always bail out if a file is not fond. |
| 11:17.22 | mickeyl | grr, found |
| 11:17.25 | mickeyl | typo problems |
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| 11:46.16 | zecke | pb_: what about your key? |
| 11:46.29 | pb_ | zecke: what about it? |
| 11:47.01 | zecke | pb_: can you live without commit access? |
| 11:47.41 | pb_ | yeah, I guess so |
| 11:47.49 | zecke | pb_: you can? |
| 11:48.05 | zecke | pb_: come on äl) |
| 11:48.52 | zecke | pb_: well, I'm as well :) |
| 11:49.17 | zecke | pb_: I would be glad if you could commit to OE yourself |
| 11:49.23 | zecke | pb_: I would welcome it :) |
| 11:49.53 | pb_ | ah, okay |
| 11:49.57 | pb_ | I would welcome that too |
| 11:50.38 | zecke | pb_: did you send a key to mickeyl yet? |
| 11:50.47 | pb_ | not yet |
| 11:50.49 | pb_ | how do I do that? |
| 11:51.15 | zecke | pb_: let me find the command |
| 11:51.38 | pb_ | thanks |
| 11:51.40 | zecke | pb_: do you have a key yet? |
| 11:51.43 | pb_ | no |
| 11:51.55 | zecke | pb_: http://venge.net/monotone/docs/Generating-Keys.html#Generating-Keys |
| 11:51.57 | pb_ | can I make one with monotone 0.26? |
| 11:52.02 | zecke | pb_: sure |
| 11:52.12 | pb_ | rock |
| 11:52.14 | pb_ | I'll do that now |
| 11:52.34 | zecke | pb_: okay. e.g. pb@openembedded.org would be a good keyname |
| 11:52.56 | zecke | phil.blundell@openembedded.org would be good as well :) |
| 11:53.06 | pb_ | ah |
| 11:53.10 | pb_ | I used pb@handhelds.org |
| 11:53.15 | pb_ | is that ok, or do I need to do it again? |
| 11:54.31 | zecke | pb_: hmm, good question |
| 11:54.45 | zecke | pb_: more important is not to forget the passphrase |
| 11:55.40 | zecke | pb_: as we have raymond@edanks.com I think your keyname is okay |
| 11:56.22 | zecke | pb_: http://venge.net/monotone/docs/Basic-Network-Service.html#Basic-Network-Service |
| 11:56.35 | zecke | pb_: export your public key, and send it to mickeyl or koen |
| 11:58.41 | pb_ | righto |
| 11:59.39 | zecke | pb_: and I will consult mickeyl on pb@handhelds.org vs. pb@openembedded.org as one can not easily remove the key (once you have comitted/pushed) |
| 12:02.55 | woglinde | he pb |
| 12:05.20 | pb_ | hi woglinde |
| 12:05.23 | pb_ | zecke: okay |
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| 12:13.00 | zecke | pb_: BTW: welcome back :) |
| 12:20.40 | pb_ | zecke: heh, thanks |
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| 12:45.05 | mickeyl | no problem with pb@handhelds.org |
| 12:52.14 | koen | big problem is @handhelds.org |
| 12:55.36 | mickeyl | i would support enforcing this rule, if we hadn't broke it already |
| 12:55.45 | mickeyl | more than once as I see in monotonerc |
| 12:56.09 | koen | iirc only once |
| 12:56.12 | koen | for AMD |
| 12:56.40 | koen | and only because they already had stuff committed using that key |
| 12:57.16 | mickeyl | *shrug* pb_, if it doesn' |
| 12:57.25 | mickeyl | t bother you too much, please regen w |
| 12:57.30 | mickeyl | ~lart enter-key |
| 12:57.42 | mickeyl | ith an @oe.org key. |
| 12:57.56 | mickeyl | bbl, need to catch a couple of rays |
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| 13:08.49 | poushag | hi folks |
| 13:10.31 | poushag | im running oz3.5.4.x on my Z - wnated to find out what sort of useful upgrades have you all been doing to your Zs from the .dev branch? |
| 13:12.33 | poushag | for example i am upgrading busybox to 1.2 today as i know this will get rid of the bug that ending an ssh session without logging out will not leave the tty open (plus the other bugfixes that will be less apparent to me) |
| 13:15.37 | poushag | zecke, koen, emte, kergoth, kerwood, would any of you please share ipk upgrades from .dev you found to be really useful (while not breaking other stuff)? |
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| 13:26.52 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r955057f0... 10/ (1 packages/e17/entice_20060128.bb): entice: "esmart-x11" doesn't exist in packageland, libesmart<foo>0 does |
| 13:26.59 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r762266da... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf): angstrom 2006.9: fix typo spotted by Philipp Zabel |
| 13:29.32 | zecke | poushag: what does that mean? |
| 13:31.40 | poushag | which part is unclear? im trying to find out what new ipks people are using (not just testing) on their Zs that arent in the oz images genereally available for download |
| 13:32.32 | zecke | poushag: I don't own a Z |
| 13:33.50 | XOrA|gone | poushag: that incredibly hard to quantify, I have loads of stuff on my Z nor in oz3.5.4.1 but a lot of it is interdependant |
| 13:34.00 | XOrA|gone | poushag: or only luck it is working at all |
| 13:35.10 | poushag | xora - that is exactly what i am interested to know about |
| 13:35.35 | XOrA|gone | poushag: then get building, it would take me a month to tell you all the changes I made to stock OZ |
| 13:37.01 | poushag | i have no direction though about what to build since i dont know what is useful yet - i dont really want to build it all at once - i need to make small changes each time so i can easily identify and undo those that dont work |
| 13:37.13 | poushag | thats why im asking this |
| 13:37.42 | poushag | just your top 5 most useful items would be helpful for me to know |
| 13:41.47 | zecke | man I feel dizzy |
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| 13:45.20 | XOrA|gone | poushag: your lack of direction is your hiderance, pick a direction and upgrade slowly |
| 13:45.43 | XOrA|gone | poushag: we all have different interests, for me I have the latest sylpheed/claws/gtk+ stuff |
| 13:46.12 | XOrA|gone | xserver-kdrive-fbdev_X11R1.1 |
| 13:46.17 | koen | zecke: shortly after replying I got a mail from someone that wanted NPTL stuff :) |
| 13:46.35 | koen | XOrA|gone: did I make a typo? |
| 13:47.14 | koen | XOrA|gone: or did you? |
| 13:47.16 | poushag | well i guess my interest is in kdepim - but that seems like a long term project that i must edit/debug source to get - i am also looking to make some quicker improvements where the source code is already available |
| 13:47.22 | koen | s/R1/R7/ |
| 13:47.50 | poushag | i mean available and working correctly |
| 13:48.02 | zecke | koen: If I wouldn't feel too dizzy I would continue working on my OE toolchain extractor script |
| 13:48.05 | XOrA|gone | koen: heh heh, me |
| 13:48.18 | koen | qt/e2 is close to being dead |
| 13:48.29 | XOrA|gone | koen: earliest X I ever used was R4 I think |
| 13:48.33 | koen | it's already smelling that way ;) |
| 13:48.41 | zecke | koen: well. I think it will live another two to six years :} |
| 13:48.54 | zecke | koen: might even longer due Moto's switch of the base phone operating system |
| 13:49.32 | XOrA|gone | even QT/e without opie niceness is bettern than the normal motorola interface design :-) |
| 13:51.32 | zecke | XOrA|gone: right. QtE2 is old, nobody would have thought it would live that long. It is still better than the Nokia Symbian GUIs or Win32 :} |
| 13:55.17 | zecke | h$ sed -i s/^"include "/"require "/ */*.bb |
| 13:55.30 | zecke | GNU sed rocks |
| 14:02.24 | poushag | after upgrading busybox to 1.2 do i need to reboot? |
| 14:04.21 | zecke | ERROR: Could not include required file ipkg_0.99.163.bb while parsing /Users/ich/hacking/embedded/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb |
| 14:04.34 | poushag | it seems like the newer busybox has changed wget and generates errors when trying to use passive-ftp |
| 14:11.37 | zecke | poushag: that would be bad |
| 14:14.19 | koen | zecke: sorry about the ipkg inc, I'm testing .163 on a device right now |
| 14:14.44 | zecke | koen: well. 0.99.159.bb is pretty empty |
| 14:14.55 | zecke | koen: it looks like we don't need it anyway |
| 14:15.04 | zecke | (for the native version to work correctly) |
| 14:15.05 | koen | zecke: .163 has no tag in cvs and needs a tar.gz |
| 14:15.26 | koen | so it isn't a simple 'cp' |
| 14:15.51 | zecke | oh. okay push your changes and I will merge on my site later |
| 14:16.09 | koen | zecke: I want to test a few more days |
| 14:16.17 | koen | I doon't want to add a broken ipkg to OE *again* |
| 14:16.17 | zecke | koen: okay! |
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| 14:25.43 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf2735ada... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): udev 092: remove BTNTOUCH for touchscreen rules to fix it for ipaqs |
| 14:29.12 | zecke | kergoth: SRC_OPTS needs a way to specify md5sum and sha256sum |
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| 14:46.02 | woglinde | re# |
| 15:02.50 | zecke | wb |
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| 15:34.37 | zecke | koen: libtool-native is 'fixed' |
| 15:36.32 | koen | zecke: it is? |
| 15:36.41 | zecke | koen: yeah ;) |
| 15:36.49 | zecke | koen: added a '.' in base.bbclass |
| 15:36.56 | woglinde | aeh? |
| 15:37.14 | koen | heh |
| 15:37.32 | zecke | woglinde: I can't say too much, the patent is pending |
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| 15:55.46 | reenoo | afternoon |
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| 16:04.20 | zecke | koen: just in time |
| 16:04.59 | koen | yes? |
| 16:05.17 | zecke | koen: I wait for the CIA |
| 16:05.33 | zecke | eek |
| 16:05.34 | zecke | find: -uid: unknown expression primary |
| 16:05.34 | zecke | ar: illegal option -- f |
| 16:06.16 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r2c7ff3c0... 10/ (42 files in 2 dirs): packages/gcc: Use require instead of include for the 'base' files |
| 16:06.25 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r711cd724... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:06.25 | CIA-9 | packages/gcc: require the right files, add a gcc4-build-sdk (review please) |
| 16:06.25 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.25 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.26 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.31 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r33c559bf... 10/ (19 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:06.31 | CIA-9 | packages/glibc: Use require for the glibc files |
| 16:06.32 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.38 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rc9326b6a... 10/ (20 files in 2 dirs): packages/binutils: Use require for the base files |
| 16:06.44 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r07a30002... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): packages/automake: Use require instead of include to get the base files |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rfd003213... 10/ (1279 files in 369 dirs): |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-9 | packages: sed -i s/^"include "/"require "/ */*.bb GNU sed rocks! |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.53 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.01 | CIA-9 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r70f685f7... 10/ (1 packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb): |
| 16:07.01 | CIA-9 | packages/ipkg/: There is no ipkg_0.99.163.bb do not require it |
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| 16:07.11 | CIA-9 | packages/unionfs: We only have a unionfs.inc which is not versioned include it |
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| 16:07.21 | CIA-9 | classes/base.bbclass: Make find call portable |
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| 16:07.37 | CIA-9 | packages/quilt: Add quilt version 0.45, 'cleanup'/complicate layout |
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| 16:07.53 | CIA-9 | conf/bitbake.conf: quilt 0.45 lacks -n but has -P for setting a patch name |
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| 16:08.31 | koen | ah |
| 16:08.44 | koen | zecke: I hit the 'no -n' today |
| 16:09.03 | koen | (debian updated quilt to 0.45 and comes first in $PATH) |
| 16:09.21 | zecke | koen: hmm, it shouldn't come first |
| 16:12.06 | zecke | armv5te-darwin armv5te-linux i386-darwin |
| 16:12.08 | zecke | hmm |
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| 16:13.49 | koen | ~lart gutenprint configure.ac |
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| 16:21.24 | poushag | zecke, yeah im not too happy about the wget errors - any suggestions? all i can think of is to try and install the full wget from the feed |
| 16:22.07 | koen | poushag: the wget from busybox 1.2.1 should work |
| 16:23.14 | poushag | thx koen - is 1.2.1 in .dev now? |
| 16:23.30 | koen | poushag: ls packages/busybox |
| 16:23.36 | koen | zecke: I hate svn: |
| 16:23.38 | koen | bitbake:/data/build/oe/bitbake# svn revert --recursive . |
| 16:23.38 | koen | svn: Try 'svn revert --recursive' instead? |
| 16:23.49 | koen | bitbake:/data/build/oe/bitbake# svn revert --recursive |
| 16:23.49 | koen | revert: Restore pristine working copy file (undo most local edits). |
| 16:23.50 | koen | usage: revert PATH... |
| 16:24.02 | zecke | ~lart drepper |
| 16:24.15 | poushag | yeah koen i listed that dir yesterday - maybe i missed it - trying again |
| 16:24.55 | poushag | nope - i only have 1.2.0 |
| 16:25.11 | koen | so your OE is outdated |
| 16:25.16 | poushag | i ran mtn update yesterday too |
| 16:25.41 | koen | poushag: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=de17790d25bccd7877ddbfc36bcb3fa5e2212b6f |
| 16:25.50 | koen | "4 days, 2 hours ago" |
| 16:25.53 | poushag | i need a better way to keep up with whats being changed in the branches - did you say you use an rss feed? |
| 16:26.46 | zecke | pb_: in which variable will --target=foo land on autoconf? |
| 16:26.52 | poushag | mtn: already up to date at 250dd8a89e640f220e44c8954b77278fe265764b - mtn said i was up to date yesterday - whats wrong? |
| 16:26.59 | zecke | poushag: pull first? |
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| 16:32.36 | poushag | is rss feed the best way to stay informed about changes to .dev branch? |
| 16:35.09 | koen | it's probably the easiest way |
| 16:35.52 | poushag | ok never used rss reader before - seem to recall maybe ff has one |
| 16:37.09 | poushag | or maybe it was safari... |
| 16:37.13 | koen | try opening http://www.openembedded.org/aggregator/rss |
| 16:37.26 | koen | firefox and safari should both have an rss reader |
| 16:38.21 | poushag | worked in safari - i must not have the ff extension |
| 16:38.27 | poushag | thx koen |
| 16:40.33 | poushag | hmm - rss reader seems to be giving timestamps in utc rather than local time |
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| 16:41.03 | zecke | koen: DISTRO = "mvmd" <- ideas on what that could mean? |
| 16:42.05 | koen | yes |
| 16:42.11 | zecke | good |
| 16:42.29 | koen | it's our mission-statement |
| 16:42.34 | zecke | hehe |
| 16:45.10 | koen | oops |
| 16:45.22 | koen | I think I mixed EABI and OABI toolchains |
| 16:45.37 | koen | ~lart OABI crt1.o |
| 16:50.28 | zecke | wtf, my patch fails to apply now |
| 16:51.44 | gremlin[it] | what's OABI ? |
| 16:51.51 | zecke | ole abi |
| 16:51.52 | koen | gremlin[it]: Old ABI |
| 16:52.04 | koen | e.g. what 99% of the world is using now |
| 16:52.44 | gremlin[it] | ok :) |
| 16:52.51 | gremlin[it] | thanks :) |
| 16:56.09 | zecke | koen: that sounds like a test case for insanity.bbclass |
| 16:56.59 | koen | zecke: objdumping binaries would be neat |
| 16:57.29 | zecke | koen: you mean $TARGET_ARCH-$TARGET_OS-$TARGET_VENDOR-objdumping right? |
| 16:57.45 | koen | yes |
| 16:57.53 | koen | otherwise if will fail silently |
| 16:57.58 | zecke | koen: for a second I thought were like a glibc moron :) |
| 16:58.07 | zecke | place 'you' somehwere |
| 16:58.13 | zecke | ~lart drepper |
| 17:01.20 | zecke | pb_: I need GNU libc help (social networking help) |
| 17:01.44 | zecke | pb_: autoreconf on GNU libc will fail miserable. but it does stupid checking for host utilities |
| 17:02.07 | zecke | pb_: e.g. I have no binutils, elf utils on my system installed, as I'm not on an ELF system and not using binutils |
| 17:02.37 | zecke | pb_: but glibc is checking for stuff like readelf, which in our OE case is prefixed with arm-linux- |
| 17:03.37 | zecke | pb_: how can glibc be cured and how to get patches upstream?! |
| 17:04.59 | koen | zecke: kill ulrich and assume his identity |
| 17:04.59 | zecke | koen: actually his shoes would be too big for me |
| 17:05.40 | koen | zecke: wear extra socks |
| 17:06.08 | zecke | koen: I won't fit, even with two pairs of winter socks |
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| 17:09.09 | koen | hopefully I have gutenprint working today so I can try finishing my SoC tomorrow |
| 17:09.22 | zecke | you want to be finished by tomorrow? |
| 17:09.31 | koen | ASAP |
| 17:09.36 | koen | only ~9 days left |
| 17:09.37 | zecke | then it is time to bitch about it |
| 17:09.41 | zecke | oh |
| 17:10.13 | koen | well, more days are left, but I'll be working from 15 - 21 augustus |
| 17:10.36 | koen | without internet access |
| 17:10.37 | zecke | okay, then I will take a closer look tomorrow and bitch about it |
| 17:10.43 | koen | thanks |
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| 18:06.34 | koen | yay! |
| 18:06.41 | koen | my usb serial adaptor works on osx |
| 18:06.53 | koen | ~lart fink for not having 'cu' |
| 18:07.39 | zecke | koen: I hope to write some USB ethernet drivers for OSX |
| 18:08.08 | zecke | lol I needed to put LDFLAGS into EXTRA_OEMAKE... |
| 18:08.18 | koen | zecke: the ajzaurus ones worked for me |
| 18:09.11 | zecke | koen: well, can it do the stuff usbnet.ko does? |
| 18:09.38 | koen | I can ssh into my toys |
| 18:09.46 | koen | that's all it needs to do for me |
| 18:10.59 | koen | stupid expensive keyspan adaptors |
| 18:11.50 | zecke | ~lart drepper |
| 18:15.36 | koen | reboot, rb |
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| 18:24.36 | koen | re |
| 18:24.36 | woglinde | re koen |
| 18:24.40 | zecke | wb |
| 18:25.40 | zecke | woglinde: Al+Her visit+me will eat pizza at the malheur |
| 18:25.44 | zecke | woglinde: do you feel like joining? |
| 18:26.25 | woglinde | whois Her? |
| 18:26.30 | woglinde | when? |
| 18:26.40 | zecke | "al's visit" |
| 18:26.59 | zecke | she is called Alice |
| 18:27.00 | gremlin[it] | hi all ... doing update of .dev i got 'connection refused' ... something wrong or ise related with changes to monotone 0.27 ? |
| 18:27.06 | woglinde | I have to write this damned paper |
| 18:27.15 | woglinde | and I cant motivate myself |
| 18:27.23 | zecke | woglinde: you are still not done? |
| 18:27.25 | woglinde | zecke I am not Bob |
| 18:27.30 | woglinde | zecke nebenfach |
| 18:27.59 | zecke | woglinde: well write it! get your "Vordiplom" :) |
| 18:28.11 | woglinde | zecke yes I know |
| 18:28.17 | zecke | woglinde: I'm slowly starting with GTI... |
| 18:29.03 | zecke | hehe, Reading the GNU hello ChangeLog is fun |
| 18:29.17 | zecke | "Karl Eichwalder" |
| 18:29.23 | zecke | he starts wih ke@ke.Central.de |
| 18:29.27 | zecke | moves to gwdg.de |
| 18:29.30 | zecke | then to suse.de |
| 18:29.44 | zecke | then gnu.franken.de |
| 18:29.58 | zecke | and then ends with @gmx.net |
| 18:30.03 | zecke | funny |
| 18:31.43 | eFfeM | morning |
| 18:31.51 | koen | hey eFfeM |
| 18:32.06 | gremlin[it] | hi all ... doing update of .dev i got 'connection refused' ... something wrong or is related with changes to monotone 0.27 ? |
| 18:32.24 | zecke | gremlin[it]: do you use '*' as glob? |
| 18:32.46 | gremlin[it] | zecke no |
| 18:33.04 | zecke | gremlin[it]: pastebon the complete error please |
| 18:33.15 | zecke | # Check for readelf |
| 18:33.16 | zecke | AC_CHECK_TARGET_TOOL([READELF],[readelf],[jdklwj],[$PATH]) |
| 18:33.27 | zecke | I'm so elite, Mr. Drepper is too stupid to write this line... |
| 18:34.08 | gremlin[it] | zecke is just a line : >>> monotone: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused <<< |
| 18:34.17 | zecke | hmm |
| 18:34.29 | zecke | gremlin[it]: it worked half an hour before |
| 18:34.54 | koen | gremlin[it]: did you follow gettingstarted? |
| 18:34.59 | gremlin[it] | i have monotone 0.25.2 |
| 18:35.06 | zecke | lol |
| 18:35.16 | gremlin[it] | and comamnds are : monotone --db=/media/hd1/oe/OE.db pull monotone.vanille.de org.openembedded.dev |
| 18:35.19 | zecke | gremlin[it]: and pulling from monotone.vanille.de? |
| 18:35.21 | koen | gremlin[it]: try reading http://openembedded.org :) |
| 18:35.22 | zecke | lol |
| 18:35.58 | gremlin[it] | but ... on oe mailinglist is announced the changes on gettingstarted ??? |
| 18:36.15 | zecke | gremlin[it]: on OE mailinglist the migration was announced at least six times |
| 18:36.49 | gremlin[it] | migration to monotne 0.27 ... |
| 18:37.27 | zecke | gremlin[it]: go to venge.net/monotone and read all about monotone 0.26 |
| 18:37.36 | eFfeM | go directly for .28 gremlin[it] |
| 18:37.45 | zecke | gremlin[it]: monotone 0.26, 0.27, 0.28 are compatible and work nicely |
| 18:41.11 | koen | zecke: ipkg .163 shows no obvious flaws, but i'll continue testing |
| 18:41.39 | gremlin[it] | just another question : i have to dowload the database or i can 'convert' the one i already have from monotone 0.25 ? |
| 18:42.04 | koen | gremlin[it]: read http://openembedded.org :) |
| 18:42.07 | zecke | gremlin[it]: do me a favor |
| 18:42.13 | zecke | gremlin[it]: read one of the six mails |
| 18:42.21 | zecke | gremlin[it]: or check the news items at www.openembedded.org |
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| 18:47.34 | gremlin[it] | i read ... but sincerelly still have a doubt ... there is "will need to get a new database" ... but also istruction to upgrade database ... |
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| 18:56.38 | koen | hey mallum |
| 18:56.52 | mallum | hey koen |
| 18:57.11 | koen | mallum: is clutter running on you cm270 yet? |
| 18:59.04 | mallum | koen: no not yet, mainly because the GL ES clutter 'backend' is not done yet |
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| 18:59.32 | koen | mallum: I spot MB 1.1 releases |
| 19:00.16 | mallum | koen: as promised :) |
| 19:00.25 | mallum | pb_: are you around ? |
| 19:03.21 | koen | mallum: now I just need to wait for OE to finish the toolchain building |
| 19:03.28 | koen | will push mb 1.1 after that |
| 19:03.32 | mallum | cool |
| 19:03.39 | koen | and libmb 1.9 |
| 19:05.08 | koen | mallum: can mb-desktop use XDAMAGE to redraw damaged bits? |
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| 19:06.19 | mallum | koen: you use expose events for that, damamge is different |
| 19:07.21 | koen | mallum: I noticed that the redrawing is suboptimal on the netbook |
| 19:07.34 | koen | huge screen, 16bit small bus... |
| 19:08.12 | koen | if I move a window when using fluxbox as a wm the outlines stay visible till I trigger a complete redraw |
| 19:08.29 | koen | which takes ~0.5 seconds |
| 19:08.53 | koen | I never noticed before, since I always use mb-wm :) |
| 19:10.41 | mallum | koen: its probably the server driver + slow hardware |
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| 19:11.12 | koen | mallum: no doubt |
| 19:11.27 | koen | but the background 'corruption' when moving windows is annoying |
| 19:11.53 | mallum | sounds like a driver issue |
| 19:25.17 | furlongm | anyone know how i can specify which files to include in a package? |
| 19:25.36 | furlongm | with busybox i get "NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:" |
| 19:26.38 | koen | furlongm: in the case of busybox you can ignore those warnings |
| 19:26.48 | furlongm | because they're symlinks? |
| 19:26.58 | koen | furlongm: in general it's FILES_${PN} += "<files>" |
| 19:27.07 | koen | furlongm: because we have a custom do_install |
| 19:27.21 | furlongm | ah, ok |
| 19:27.29 | furlongm | thanks |
| 19:30.45 | woglinde | lumdidum |
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| 19:44.19 | woglinde | hi andersee |
| 19:44.53 | andersee | woglinde: howdy |
| 19:45.05 | zecke | woglinde: man, gcc and glibc suck :} |
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| 19:46.50 | woglinde | zecke take fefe-cc and dietlibc |
| 19:47.18 | zecke | woglinde: he wrote a compiler? |
| 19:47.22 | woglinde | no |
| 19:47.25 | woglinde | just kidding |
| 19:47.37 | zecke | woglinde: relieved |
| 19:47.50 | zecke | woglinde: I would feel bad if someone not knowing the C standard writes compilers... |
| 19:48.15 | koen | zecke: I think OE needs to use clibrary/PI and compiler/PI |
| 19:48.33 | woglinde | koen whats that? |
| 19:48.41 | koen | ~emulate zautrix |
| 19:48.43 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 19:48.43 | zecke | I wait for Theo to start OpenCC |
| 19:48.59 | koen | zecke: there's already a BSD compiler |
| 19:49.08 | andersee | zecke: I may have written a C lib, but I have no plans to write a CC |
| 19:49.20 | zecke | andersee: I'm fine with the gcc itself |
| 19:49.30 | koen | andersee: could you paste the url for the nethack autofoo again? |
| 19:49.33 | zecke | andersee: just running /usr/bin/cpp to check if I have filio.h installed... |
| 19:49.41 | zecke | andersee: when cross compiling makes me mad... |
| 19:50.21 | andersee | zecke: the qemu guy wrote a CC -- http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/ |
| 19:50.47 | zecke | andersee: This is how I would have written a compiler before starting university :) |
| 19:51.00 | zecke | andersee: manually C code to generate instructions... |
| 19:51.38 | zecke | but besides that Fabrice has an incredible output... |
| 19:51.52 | andersee | koen: I'm not certain it is still on the net anywhere... looking... |
| 19:51.53 | zecke | qemu, tcc, dvb, a lot of code in ffmpeg |
| 19:52.09 | andersee | koen: I have a copy locally I could send you |
| 19:52.43 | koen | andersee: I might have some time to try adding it to OE in a few weeks :) |
| 19:52.55 | andersee | koen: that would be sweet! |
| 19:52.56 | woglinde | hm |
| 19:52.57 | woglinde | just add '#!/usr/local/bin/tcc -run' at the first line of your C source, |
| 19:53.24 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.15 | eFfeM | anyone ever looked at lcc ? |
| 19:54.17 | zecke | maybe tcc already support ABI?! |
| 19:54.43 | eFfeM | haven't followed it recently myself, but have played with it quite some years ago. good book too |
| 19:55.03 | andersee | koen: seems you can still fetch it from the gnome cvs repository |
| 19:55.07 | andersee | koen: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/nethack/ |
| 19:55.34 | andersee | koen: in full auto* glory |
| 19:56.00 | andersee | koen: geez -- 6 years since I even touched the thing |
| 19:59.09 | eFfeM | andersee: died from boredom by not playing nethack for +6 yrs |
| 19:59.09 | koen | andersee: thanks |
| 20:00.41 | andersee | koen: should be able to get a usable diff vs nethack 3.2.3, then forward port the auto* changes to nethack 3.4.3 |
| 20:02.08 | koen | mallum: new mb bits are in |
| 20:02.11 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r35859e17... 10/ (1 packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb): cups: rrecommend doc package for the webgui |
| 20:02.21 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5cfcf658... 10/ (1 packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_1.1.bb): mb-wm: add 1.1 |
| 20:02.26 | CIA-9 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r2ca01af5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.17.bb): |
| 20:02.26 | CIA-9 | ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.17.bb: bumped PR_CONFIG |
| 20:02.27 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.27 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.35 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7f3bc3b8... 10/ (1 packages/libmatchbox/libmatchbox_1.9.bb): libmatchbox: add 1.9 |
| 20:02.51 | mallum | koen: cool :) let me know if any issues |
| 20:08.46 | koen | mallum: will do |
| 20:09.04 | koen | mallum: http://bugs.o-hand.com/ is broken |
| 20:09.29 | mallum | bugzilla.o-hand.com |
| 20:10.30 | zecke | damn, I start to like autotools |
| 20:10.35 | zecke | http://rafb.net/paste/results/n5O6vM34.html |
| 20:10.57 | zecke | ~lart glibc for broken autotools usage |
| 20:11.27 | koen | mallum: could you redirect bugs.o-hand to that? |
| 20:15.23 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re33107ae... 10/ (1 packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb): cups: ship files needed for the webgui in the main package |
| 20:19.11 | mallum | koen: removed it from dns |
| 20:19.59 | koen | mallum: thanks |
| 20:20.37 | koen | | /bin/sh: line 4: ./cups-genppd.5.0: cannot execute binary file |
| 20:20.43 | koen | ~lart gutenprint |
| 20:21.37 | mallum | koen: iirc I can map it to bugzilla for some wierd bugzilla reason |
| 20:26.35 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf376302d... 10/ (1 packages/cups/cups_1.1.23.bb): cups: stage files needed for gutenprint |
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| 20:37.36 | rob_w | koen, are using glibc-2.3.2 ? |
| 20:37.58 | koen | rob_w: no, 2.4 on most machines and 2.3.5 on the netbook-pro |
| 20:38.24 | rob_w | wow .. there is a 2.4 ?? cool |
| 20:38.31 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:38.49 | rob_w | i wonder why my builds still take 2.5.3cvs-something |
| 20:41.55 | woglinde | koen whats the status with arm4 and eabi? |
| 20:45.49 | zecke | woglinde: patch gcc to emit two instructions |
| 20:46.11 | zecke | woglinde: disable thumb interworking, check the debian wiki :) |
| 20:46.57 | woglinde | zecke hm glibc needs patches too, if I remeber correctly what koen said |
| 20:47.01 | koen | woglinde: OE's gcc sucks, martin guys one doesn't |
| 20:47.35 | koen | OE's gcc always generated armv5 isns (clz) even if you tell it to build for an armv4 cpu |
| 20:48.22 | zecke | koen: hehe, Martin Guy must be a god or such |
| 20:49.18 | zecke | koen: so with martin guys' gcc my Shark can have EABI? |
| 20:49.18 | koen | zecke: no, Dan Kegel is |
| 20:49.25 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:49.45 | koen | "I have, and it doesn't contain any clz's. That is for the armv4t toolchain under |
| 20:49.45 | koen | freaknet.org/martin/crosstool/ " |
| 20:50.10 | koen | his answer to "does your libc6.so have armv5 isns?" |
| 20:50.11 | woglinde | hm? |
| 20:51.00 | zecke | woglinde: http://www.freaknet.org/martin/crosstool/packages/ |
| 20:51.11 | zecke | woglinde: I don't see an offer for the source? do you? |
| 20:51.28 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:51.33 | woglinde | case for harald? |
| 20:51.57 | koen | iirc ARM is paying him and wookey to get EABI into debian |
| 20:52.04 | koen | so sue arm ;) |
| 20:52.20 | woglinde | armv4t |
| 20:52.22 | zecke | yeah, they will continue sponsoring linux anyway |
| 20:52.30 | woglinde | but simpad has no thumb |
| 20:53.16 | woglinde | maybee the patches are inside the archive |
| 20:53.36 | koen | zecke, woglinde: lennert discoverd that 'bx' causes a pipeline flush so the workaround mentioned on the debian wiki is 5 instructions faster (best case) or the same number of instructions (worst case) |
| 20:54.00 | koen | so the usage of 'bx' is only there to push ARM thumb patents down our throats |
| 20:54.23 | woglinde | hm pipeline flush is bad |
| 20:54.29 | woglinde | If remeber correctly |
| 20:54.32 | koen | yes |
| 20:54.37 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:54.41 | zecke | at least it is clean afterwards |
| 20:54.44 | koen | especially with the 7 stage long one on xscales |
| 20:56.09 | zecke | woglinde: hmm this is a GPL violation |
| 20:56.18 | woglinde | zecke as I said |
| 20:56.25 | zecke | woglinde: I don't see the patchs, I don't see the list of stuff used to build it |
| 20:56.30 | koen | so the 'tst lr, #1; moveq pc, lr; bx lr' workaround should be accepted into mainline gcc |
| 20:56.56 | woglinde | zecke if we wrote him email and tell him this in a kindly manner? |
| 20:57.14 | zecke | http://rafb.net/paste/results/yOGiDY46.html |
| 20:57.24 | zecke | woglinde: I'm sure there are patches... |
| 20:57.55 | woglinde | dear mr. guy, maybee I am to dull to find the patches for the GPL-licenes stuff you put at download at your website |
| 20:58.18 | zecke | woglinde: dear mr. guy, could you please point me to the written offer for the sourcecode |
| 20:58.28 | zecke | woglinde: source is not within the tar |
| 20:58.40 | woglinde | zecke will write you or me? |
| 20:58.52 | zecke | woglinde: please, do me a favor and write him |
| 20:59.21 | woglinde | http://www.freaknet.org/martin/crosstool/crosstool-0.42-mg2-mg3.patch |
| 20:59.22 | woglinde | ? |
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| 21:00.13 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0ad856b6... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gutenprint: add to nonworking, needs to run a native tool, qemu doesn't do EABI so I can't fix it :( |
| 21:01.01 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.03 | koen | *** NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! |
| 21:01.03 | koen | *** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!! |
| 21:01.03 | koen | :) |
| 21:01.13 | zecke | lol |
| 21:01.42 | zecke | woglinde: smells like all patches are upstream?! |
| 21:03.02 | woglinde | zecke hm you could try to build with crosstool |
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| 21:03.10 | woglinde | und look if it is the same |
| 21:03.28 | nchip | from Martins track record so far I'm fairly certain those toolchains have no unique patches |
| 21:04.33 | woglinde | hm so why the oe gcc fails |
| 21:05.14 | zecke | woglinde: "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" |
| 21:05.26 | zecke | I'm not a lawyer, but I always wonder what this means |
| 21:05.51 | koen | zecke: it means "*** NO SOURCE *** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!!" |
| 21:05.57 | koen | as raster would say it |
| 21:06.30 | woglinde | hm to be fair he offer the patches for the tool to build it |
| 21:08.03 | zecke | this has developed into the wrong direction |
| 21:08.04 | zecke | I think my point is. Everybody, including me, is likely to violate the GPL :} |
| 21:08.52 | zecke | woglinde: but this paragraph means. I do not need to distribute linux+glibc headers if I give my list of installed packages? |
| 21:10.16 | nchip | zecke: it's really simple: you need to distribut sources of all GPL binaries you distribute |
| 21:10.42 | zecke | nchip: + Makefiles + scripts (or do they count as source already)? |
| 21:10.55 | woglinde | arm suckz *g* |
| 21:11.05 | nchip | zecke: however, in practice if the sources are not modified and you can figure out what the versions of the tools are, it's probably not worth rising a stink about the issue |
| 21:11.20 | koen | hmmm |
| 21:11.29 | zecke | e.g. when I hacked the tinderbox code, I came across rpm and dpkg calls to list all installed packages |
| 21:11.32 | koen | actually martin *is* violationg the GPL |
| 21:11.41 | koen | he said to me he's using http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-2.4/fixup-aeabi-syscalls.patch |
| 21:11.55 | woglinde | koen *g* |
| 21:12.01 | koen | but I can't find a reference to such patch on his page |
| 21:12.12 | zecke | e.g. I just violated the GPL for not marking the sections I have changed |
| 21:12.13 | koen | woglinde: not that patch, but the original posted to the mailinglist |
| 21:12.27 | zecke | I didn't add my name+reason to the files |
| 21:12.33 | zecke | I'm a GPL violator :( |
| 21:13.39 | koen | woglinde: you could try asking martin if he uses http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-ports/2006-03/msg00029.html and if yes, why it isn't mentioned on his site |
| 21:13.56 | nchip | koen: it's in the patch woglinde pasted |
| 21:14.41 | koen | ah, I missed that |
| 21:14.56 | woglinde | yes |
| 21:15.00 | woglinde | its on the side |
| 21:15.15 | koen | the name "Extra patches to enable linux-2.6.16 and ARM1026 CPU" eluded me |
| 21:15.23 | zecke | so gcc4.1.1 already has ArmV4 support |
| 21:15.35 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:15.47 | koen | drat |
| 21:15.47 | woglinde | it has eabi support for armv4t |
| 21:15.52 | woglinde | thats for sure |
| 21:15.54 | koen | now I remember |
| 21:16.13 | koen | the gcc people 'fixed' EABI in gcc 4.1.1 |
| 21:16.54 | zecke | woglinde: is your uni mail account working? |
| 21:16.55 | koen | I bet that 'fix' broke armv4 |
| 21:17.07 | woglinde | zecke hm yes why? |
| 21:17.30 | zecke | woglinde: I'm waiting for two pw's for GNU bugzillas |
| 21:17.58 | nchip | .oO( a small kingdom for openID support on bugzilla ) |
| 21:18.27 | zecke | nchip: Having one GNU bugzilla would be nice |
| 21:18.37 | zecke | nchip: but glibc and gcc have two different... |
| 21:19.17 | woglinde | zecke last email from 11 p.m. |
| 21:19.37 | zecke | woglinde: lol inf.fu-berlin.de is now public :} |
| 21:20.21 | woglinde | zecke haeh? |
| 21:20.35 | zecke | woglinde: it used to print "This is not a public server" |
| 21:20.41 | woglinde | right |
| 21:20.50 | woglinde | think about why |
| 21:20.53 | woglinde | ah |
| 21:20.54 | zecke | woglinde: one can login now |
| 21:20.55 | woglinde | okay |
| 21:20.59 | woglinde | oh |
| 21:21.12 | woglinde | maybee thats the new telnet.inf... |
| 21:21.35 | zecke | woglinde: how secure is sub os against forkbombs? |
| 21:21.46 | zecke | not that I would run one |
| 21:22.12 | zecke | woglinde: oh, gcc has OpenMP support |
| 21:22.26 | woglinde | puh what was openmp again? |
| 21:22.31 | woglinde | my head is like a sieb |
| 21:22.42 | zecke | woglinde: think of Rechnerarchitektur |
| 21:22.58 | zecke | woglinde: and 'big' machines, and how to program for them efficiently |
| 21:22.58 | woglinde | puh |
| 21:23.12 | woglinde | has it to do with caches? |
| 21:23.20 | zecke | woglinde: you have taken the exam, while I haven't :} |
| 21:23.21 | zecke | woglinde: no |
| 21:23.31 | woglinde | he its over one year |
| 21:23.34 | woglinde | past |
| 21:23.35 | zecke | woglinde: www.openmp.org |
| 21:25.04 | zecke | oh both GNU bugzillas are in the spam folder |
| 21:25.04 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:25.09 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:25.10 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:25.14 | woglinde | html code |
| 21:25.16 | woglinde | i guess |
| 21:25.21 | zecke | woglinde: no |
| 21:25.30 | woglinde | or the new fascist spamkiller |
| 21:25.36 | woglinde | which the postmaster announced |
| 21:25.51 | woglinde | maybe that mail went in your spam-folder too |
| 21:25.54 | woglinde | ahahah |
| 21:26.47 | zecke | woglinde: hehe, no I have my own spamkiller |
| 21:27.14 | zecke | http://sourceware.org/frysk/ |
| 21:27.14 | woglinde | so you dont use imap |
| 21:27.20 | zecke | I do use imap |
| 21:27.43 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 21:27.59 | woglinde | so we should test eabi for armv4 now |
| 21:28.12 | woglinde | to came back to this topic |
| 21:29.49 | zecke | woglinde: this isn't what pbrook told me some weeks ago |
| 21:29.58 | zecke | but gcc4.1.1 might have a 'fix' |
| 21:30.09 | zecke | woglinde: you could browse the ChangeLog of the 4.1 branch?! |
| 21:30.19 | woglinde | I will study the changelog yes |
| 21:30.27 | zecke | thanks |
| 21:31.32 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:31.37 | woglinde | nothing about eabi |
| 21:33.08 | woglinde | will look at svn |
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| 21:35.22 | woglinde | hms |
| 21:35.33 | woglinde | *wonder* no gcc-4.1 release tag |
| 21:35.33 | koen | zecke: I think the 'fix' in gcc 4.1.1 broke non-armv5 eabi |
| 21:37.07 | woglinde | hm are the using a new repository? |
| 21:37.22 | woglinde | args |
| 21:40.02 | eFfeM-log | koen, missed 10 min's due to router problem. you are not talking about the 4.1.1. fix that I added yesterday, are you? |
| 21:40.23 | koen | eFfeM-log: no, about a fix in gcc upstram |
| 21:41.05 | eFfeM-log | ok, thanks, I feared I goofed, although I did not understand why 'my' fix would have any influence on eabi (as it was related to cse) |
| 21:42.11 | zecke | http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3004 |
| 21:42.15 | zecke | my first glibc bug |
| 21:42.52 | eFfeM-log | zecke, congrats ..... |
| 21:42.58 | eFfeM-log | calling it a day |
| 21:43.01 | zecke | hehe |
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| 21:43.26 | zecke | and I have an OE based toolchain on my OSX/i386 system |
| 21:43.39 | koen | zecke: cool |
| 21:43.57 | zecke | still gcc3.3.6 and glibc2.3.2 for moto devices :} |
| 21:44.00 | koen | zecke: sounds like I really need to install monotone .28 on my powerbook :) |
| 21:44.09 | zecke | MACHINE="moto" DISTRO="mvmd" |
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| 21:44.28 | zecke | or should we call it OpenMVmD |
| 21:45.30 | koen | please stop with the 'open' |
| 21:45.39 | zecke | hehe |
| 21:45.45 | zecke | but we all love OpenBSD?! |
| 21:45.50 | koen | that as annoying as misspelling everything with a 'k' or 'g' |
| 21:46.04 | koen | or sticking /PI after the name |
| 21:46.05 | woglinde | Open rockz |
| 21:46.12 | zecke | pb_: you are everywhere! |
| 21:46.15 | woglinde | has nothing to do with free |
| 21:46.16 | zecke | pb_: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5688 |
| 21:46.44 | zecke | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26046 |
| 21:46.48 | zecke | and schurig too |
| 21:49.10 | koen | zecke: glibc has a history of broken autofoo usage |
| 21:49.24 | koen | OE hit an infinite loop a while back |
| 21:49.32 | koen | bugs + fix know for years.... |
| 21:49.36 | koen | known* |
| 21:49.40 | zecke | after adding -isystem |
| 21:50.27 | koen | heh |
| 21:50.43 | koen | I suspect no-one tried to play mp3s with the xmms in OE on arm |
| 21:50.57 | woglinde | I dont like xmms |
| 21:51.58 | zecke | koen: We have experimented with xmms-embedded at ROAD |
| 21:52.38 | woglinde | hu daychange |
| 21:52.53 | koen | zecke: xmms-normal doesn't seem to know about libmad |
| 21:53.17 | zecke | woglinde: you are eight minutes early |
| 21:53.25 | koen | (when bitbaked) |
| 21:53.33 | woglinde | hu |
| 21:53.36 | woglinde | hms |
| 21:53.42 | woglinde | ~lart ntp |
| 21:57.14 | zecke | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=28615 |
| 21:59.51 | koen | zecke: are those in OE already? |
| 22:01.27 | zecke | koen: no |
| 22:01.43 | zecke | koen: I'm trying to make up my mind with which gcc/glibc combinations to start with |
| 22:01.52 | zecke | man I'm confused today |
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| 22:07.08 | zecke | oh quilt fails on NSLU2 |
| 22:07.23 | koen | zecke: clobber bug? |
| 22:07.32 | koen | it worked for me with a clean rebuild |
| 22:07.37 | zecke | no stinks like failiting autoreconf |
| 22:07.42 | zecke | quilt vs. quilt-native |
| 22:08.04 | zecke | I need to fix tinderclient.bbclass with regard to the -k flag |
| 22:08.08 | zecke | of bitbake |
| 22:11.05 | zecke | oops |
| 22:11.06 | zecke | thunder |
| 22:11.52 | zecke | NOTE: package gcc-cross-3.3.6-r3: task do_build: completed |
| 22:11.52 | zecke | NOTE: package gcc-cross-3.3.6: completed |
| 22:11.52 | zecke | NOTE: build 200608052333: completed |
| 22:11.52 | zecke | Build statistics: Attempted builds: 4 |
| 22:11.54 | zecke | yeah!!! |
| 22:12.38 | koen | yay! |
| 22:12.51 | koen | zecke: now move to 4.1.1 :) |
| 22:15.16 | zecke | koen: have we considered using the crosstool script to edit binaries |
| 22:15.26 | zecke | koen: to remove the 'embedded' paths |
| 22:15.34 | koen | zecke: no idea |
| 22:15.49 | koen | zecke: I have avoided delving into the toolchain business till EABI |
| 22:18.17 | poushag | hey guys - there are some ipks created by bitbake that have i686 in the name - any idea why? |
| 22:18.44 | koen | poushag: because they are for the i686 architecture? |
| 22:18.48 | poushag | gcc-cross stuff to be exact - i thought we were building for embedded devices |
| 22:19.41 | poushag | i dont expect to see i686 stuff among all the arm and machine stuff - why is it there? |
| 22:20.11 | koen | gcc-cross runs on your host (presumably i686), so it seems to be correct |
| 22:21.10 | poushag | well its confusing - since my host doesnt use ipks - and these are in with ipks for my Z feed |
| 22:21.31 | poushag | is there a way i can lask these out when building the index? or some other workaround? |
| 22:21.43 | poushag | s/lask/mask |
| 22:24.07 | koen | you can't |
| 22:24.25 | koen | and it is not something to wast braincycles about |
| 22:25.27 | poushag | well i dont like all that garbage in my feed is all - i plan to share it on a limited basis for collie people |
| 22:26.46 | poushag | how does bitbake determine which packages have already been built and dont need to be rebuilt? does it scan a log or look in the deploy/ipk dir? |
| 22:27.05 | zecke | poushag: bitbake looks at stamps/* |
| 22:27.09 | zecke | to see what to do |
| 22:27.55 | poushag | ok so i can delete the ipks i dont like and it wont rebuild them (until another revision comes out) right? |
| 22:30.22 | zecke | right, you can delete them |
| 22:30.32 | koen | poushag: yes, but don't dare to complain about errors after that , since you try to be smarter as OE |
| 22:31.27 | koen | deploy/ipk is not really meant to serve as a feed for you device |
| 22:31.45 | koen | (as one might guess from having to run package-index manually) |
| 22:37.39 | zecke | hmm I'm doing something that could break OE fundamentally |
| 22:38.03 | poushag | koen, i will take your warning and try something else that doesnt involve deleting them i guess - maybe a shell script that will symlink the ones i like into a different feed dir |
| 22:39.27 | poushag | what are you doing zecke thats so bad? |
| 22:39.38 | zecke | poushag: just touching autoconf |
| 22:42.24 | poushag | that sounds to be way above my current level of expertise |
| 22:42.48 | zecke | it is nothing one does for fun... |
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| 22:43.58 | poushag | ok thanks for the input - time to eat dinner - bbl |
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| 22:49.35 | zecke | can shell do nested IFs? |
| 22:49.39 | zecke | rwhitby: I have broken quilt :( |
| 22:50.25 | poushag | one last question - if i move my feed out of deploy/ipk, to say /stuff/build/feed what command do i run to make the package index? will 'bitbake package-index' scan all subfolders and make indexes for those with ipks? |
| 22:50.52 | rwhitby | zecke: condolences. What can I do to help? |
| 22:51.17 | zecke | rwhitby: fix it, or just be patience :) |
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| 22:56.43 | koen | poushag: ipkg-make-index -p Package -m . |
| 22:56.43 | zecke | patient even |
| 22:56.46 | zecke | kergoth: ping |
| 22:56.48 | koen | in every dir |
| 22:57.31 | rwhitby | zecke: I'll be patient, as I don't have time right now to fix anything :-) |
| 23:01.29 | zecke | kergoth: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lsIQzz57.html |
| 23:01.35 | zecke | kergoth: could you take a look? |
| 23:03.44 | koen | zecke: nice |
| 23:03.53 | koen | (if that does what I think it does) |
| 23:04.11 | zecke | well, it is kergoth's magic reedited |
| 23:05.18 | zecke | hey :) |
| 23:05.31 | zecke | ~noob |
| 23:05.33 | ibot | i heard noob is just what someone is before they're a pro |
| 23:05.41 | zecke | hmm |
| 23:05.48 | zecke | kergoth: I'm a noob |
| 23:06.33 | kergoth | looks okay at first glance, but i'm rusty :) |
| 23:06.44 | zecke | kergoth: hehe, I need to try it myself as well |
| 23:06.56 | zecke | kergoth: the cnages are AC_CHECK_TARGET_TOOL |
| 23:07.05 | zecke | where I wonder what ':' will be doing |
| 23:07.21 | zecke | and then the nested if/else/fi might behave differently |
| 23:09.50 | zecke | koen: a minimal OE to create a toolchain will be below 1MB |
| 23:14.16 | koen | zecke: steal it from laf0rge |
| 23:14.21 | zecke | hehe |
| 23:14.54 | zecke | the alternative would be an apple pizza box |
| 23:15.00 | zecke | and I would have a reasoning for that |
| 23:15.07 | koen | hmmm |
| 23:15.16 | koen | OE Xgrid support :) |
| 23:15.16 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.32 | koen | I wonder what apple will introduce tomorrow |
| 23:16.41 | zecke | yes? |
| 23:16.52 | koen | probably 2x core 2 dua mac pros |
| 23:16.55 | zecke | w*dc isn't tomorrow? |
| 23:17.08 | koen | isn't it the 7th? |
| 23:17.10 | zecke | new PowerMac |
| 23:17.23 | koen | MacPro |
| 23:17.29 | zecke | yeah :/ |
| 23:17.38 | zecke | okay it is tomorrow |
| 23:18.42 | zecke | koen: http://max.macbay.de/galerie/?from=75&context=detail&file=6010cf345e9319f75043383ea9a6f7d5.JPG&gallery=0517555228c8b988c2665ae432ef37ce |
| 23:18.47 | zecke | you are right |
| 23:19.08 | zecke | koen: apple will show a smartphone! |
| 23:19.39 | koen | apple's always sending me mails like "come to the wwdc, it's only $2500 with your dev discount" |
| 23:19.57 | koen | (I registered to download Xcode) |
| 23:19.59 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.51 | koen | *hungry* |
| 23:22.55 | zecke | koen: and Java5 |
| 23:23.15 | zecke | let us order pizza |
| 23:23.57 | koen | nah |
| 23:24.00 | zecke | we will get fat before we are flithy rich |
| 23:26.23 | koen | yeah |
| 23:26.36 | koen | I need to stay awake to watch the movie |
| 23:27.50 | zecke | kergoth: it misses a ] somewhere |
| 23:30.21 | koen | drat |
| 23:30.27 | koen | sugar rush |
| 23:30.35 | koen | ~lart candy |
| 23:32.56 | zecke | oh, there was another issue |
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| 23:34.38 | koen | damn |
| 23:34.45 | koen | e17 uses binary config files |
| 23:35.08 | zecke | | configure:6357: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_TARGET_TOOL |
| 23:35.08 | zecke | | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. |
| 23:35.08 | zecke | | See the Autoconf documentation. |
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| 23:55.54 | zecke | I'm a moron |
| 23:56.09 | zecke | AC_CHECK_TARGET_TOOL didn't exist in autoconf 2.59 |
| 23:56.16 | koen | join the club |
| 23:56.37 | zecke | moron or mormon |
| 23:57.18 | koen | moron |
