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| 00:53.16 | KenFactor | Hmm, just did first bootstrap-image with new repository |
| 00:53.33 | KenFactor | kernel bootup stops at "Starting syslogd/klogd: done" cannot do anything after that |
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| 01:39.54 | Ken|JLime | anyone experienced some arm4v issues when building new bootstrap-image? |
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| 01:43.24 | emte | with fam, no |
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| 01:49.35 | Ken|JLime | emte, cant understand why. I know its the userland, but Ive set pretty specific gcc, glibc, binutils..and so on |
| 01:49.52 | Ken|JLime | its for the jornada7xx, using arm4v |
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| 03:05.12 | DoTheDog | Can anyone help a newbie with a .bb file? |
| 03:08.34 | DoTheDog | NOTE: make DESTDIR=/home/oc60174/oe/build/tmp/work/serializeclass-1.1.1-r0/image install |
| 03:08.48 | DoTheDog | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 03:14.28 | emte | do you know how makefile works? |
| 03:15.17 | DoTheDog | More or less. This one is a static makefile (no configure). It looks like it compiles the lib. Just don't know what to do with it now. |
| 03:17.55 | emte | i would say you know very little how make works |
| 03:18.13 | emte | it is looking for the "install:" tag which your makefile does not have |
| 03:18.57 | DoTheDog | There is no "install" tag in the makefile. It just does a copy to ../lib |
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| 03:23.12 | DoTheDog | The make file is here: |
| 03:23.14 | DoTheDog | http://pastebin.ca/95544 |
| 03:24.45 | DoTheDog | Another newb question. It only builds with gcc 3.3.5. Is that going to be a problem on oz? |
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| 05:26.28 | cinix | is there a way I can force bb files to pull from current svn, instead of (I think) revisions only up to srcdate/cvsdate? I've been just puting date= in the srcuri, but is there a way to just say pull most recent? |
| 05:29.27 | cinix | modifying CVSDATE before the srcuri line seems a better approach, but still what I mean to do is pull most recent. |
| 05:39.06 | emte | dont specify a date |
| 05:39.38 | cinix | I don't want to, what are my options? |
| 05:39.59 | emte | i just told you |
| 05:40.14 | emte | remove the date |
| 05:40.16 | cinix | it's not pulling the most current without a date |
| 05:40.33 | emte | it should, if it is not , then a date is specified somewhere else |
| 05:41.56 | cinix | I think a date is set distro config files. I think I need to find the cvs fetch code to understand what's going on. |
| 05:42.31 | emte | then comment them out in the distro conf or use a blank line in your local |
| 05:44.26 | cinix | okay thanks. I'll experiment with those ideas. |
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| 07:21.11 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:33.20 | kergoth | hehe, thats interesting... |
| 07:33.38 | kergoth | if you have the TERMINFO env var set, the glibc build uses it and installs those |
| 07:33.49 | kergoth | so theres an unpackaged /home/kergoth/.terminfo |
| 07:33.52 | kergoth | :P |
| 07:33.59 | kergoth | should probably unset that var in the glibc .bb |
| 07:42.52 | koen | heh |
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| 08:00.45 | JustinP | RP: my bl turned off again when I tapped on the light applet |
| 08:01.00 | JustinP | RP: it would only come back on when I sshed in and ran "echo 20 > brightness" |
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| 08:41.53 | x29a | good morning dudes |
| 08:42.41 | x29a | im running familiar 0.8.4-rc1 on an simpad SL4 with opie frontend. somehow the input decalibrated, so i cant use opie anymore. can i call calibrate thru console somehow? |
| 08:42.54 | koen | yes |
| 08:43.39 | koen | ipkg install tslib-calibrate ; ts_calibrate |
| 08:43.41 | koen | (iirc) |
| 08:46.00 | x29a | ill check that out, thx bro |
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| 09:00.17 | zwelch | is there a Perl equivalent to BitBake/OpenEmbedded? |
| 09:00.47 | koen | not that I know off |
| 09:00.54 | zwelch | yeah, me neither |
| 09:01.16 | aoe | cpan? ;) |
| 09:01.19 | zwelch | i'm working on one, but it's only 6 months old and far far away from having bitbake's capabilties |
| 09:01.20 | koen | afaik OE is the only project with such a complete approach |
| 09:01.31 | zwelch | yeah, and it's mature |
| 09:01.55 | koen | there are lots of 'build tool' projects, but most (all?) require you to provide a toolchain |
| 09:02.20 | zwelch | yeah, that's a problem i am capable of dealing with |
| 09:02.21 | koen | which can be annoying for $obscure arch |
| 09:02.32 | zwelch | ... but, yeah, not in the general case. |
| 09:03.09 | zwelch | at the moment, i just finished implementing a new pastebin-like system |
| 09:03.39 | zwelch | it's all perl though, so i doubt there would be much interest in integrating it with bitbake directly |
| 09:04.06 | zwelch | i wanted to at least mention it because it was directly inspired by my experience with the pastebin capabilities in the bitbake shell |
| 09:05.01 | zwelch | as it happens, i've integrated it into my newly refactored "splatbuild" toolkit |
| 09:05.55 | zwelch | (which is the aforementioned build system that i'm working on, but it's not worth mentioning yet) |
| 09:09.00 | zwelch | anyway, i just wanted to say: thanks for the feature ideas ;) |
| 09:09.31 | koen | does minisplat have video support? |
| 09:09.42 | koen | jobi and I added minisip-video eons ago, but it requires a specific ffmpeg version and I never got it to work |
| 09:15.13 | zwelch | koen|away: yes and, yes, ffmpeg is a problem unto itself |
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| 11:07.24 | zwelch | do bitbake files have registered MIME types? |
| 11:09.11 | NA|Zzz | I'd be guessing no.. |
| 11:09.56 | zwelch | heh, yeah "registered" is asking for a lot |
| 11:10.43 | NA|Zzz | Yeah, IANA isn't exactly easy to deal with for that, I've heard. |
| 11:10.50 | zwelch | heh |
| 11:12.56 | zwelch | i know that i need to just read the relevant MIME RFCs, but i was thinking it would be nice to enumerate such types of bitbake files and document an agreed upon set of conventions |
| 11:13.57 | zwelch | certainly, i would expect you'd have a lot easier time with IANA if you could show applications that are using them... and we can't use them unitl they are defined |
| 11:15.06 | NA|Zzz | Yeah.. I'm guessing we'd probably have to apply for a vnd.* prefix.. then register something along the lines of application/vnd.oe.bitbake-package.. |
| 11:15.37 | zwelch | more generally, i wonder what it takes to teach 'file' the same kind of knowledge about bitbake file extensions |
| 11:16.03 | NA|Zzz | IIRC, that's in /etc/magic.. |
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| 11:48.23 | RP | JustinP: That sounds like a bug in the light applet? |
| 11:49.41 | XorA | morning |
| 11:49.48 | koen | hey XorA |
| 11:49.49 | RP | morning all |
| 11:49.55 | koen | hey RP |
| 11:50.38 | XorA | RP: have you checked for static on your corgi? |
| 11:51.51 | RP | XorA: No, but I think its a codec issue and will be intermittent - the wm8731 hardware can't really support the delayed off Liam added to ASoC |
| 11:52.14 | XorA | RP: ah, so thats why I dont see it consitantly |
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| 12:29.45 | woglinde | hi xora |
| 12:36.04 | koen | mini pizza! |
| 12:36.28 | XorA | koen: I could post it, but it would be a bit off by time it gets there |
| 12:38.00 | koen | yeah |
| 12:38.42 | woglinde | hm we will have "griessbrei" with cherrys |
| 12:38.50 | woglinde | its perfect for that heat |
| 12:40.46 | rwhitby | koen: I've slimmed down the nslu2-linux.mtn (it's now 89MB), and am uploading it to monotone.nslu2-linux.org now |
| 12:41.17 | koen | rwhitby: after the migration each 'mirror' is responsible for it's own syncing |
| 12:41.22 | rwhitby | after that's done, I will be ready to issue a new MasterMakefile |
| 12:41.25 | koen | to remove the single point of failure |
| 12:41.27 | rwhitby | koen: understood |
| 12:41.58 | rwhitby | so I can use the nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.org key to sync with monotone.openembedded.org ? |
| 12:42.00 | koen | we'll make a list of email adresses of the mirror maintainer when that happens |
| 12:42.10 | koen | rwhitby: yes |
| 12:42.22 | koen | (after we go r/w_ |
| 12:42.23 | koen | ) |
| 12:42.30 | rwhitby | what should we use for the sync interval? |
| 12:43.16 | koen | anything you want |
| 12:43.32 | koen | it will be listed on the mirrors page |
| 12:44.04 | koen | something like "monotone.nslu2-linux.org - org.openembedded.dev - 2 hours" |
| 12:44.26 | rwhitby | heh, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 minutes ... |
| 12:44.34 | koen | 2 minutes, 2 days, 2 weeks, whatever you want :) |
| 12:44.51 | koen | btw, monotone 0.28 was released |
| 12:45.19 | XorA | koen: they just trying to keep ahead of us :-) |
| 12:45.28 | koen | yeah |
| 12:45.29 | woglinde | jesus |
| 12:45.37 | koen | 0.28 has the cherry picker |
| 12:45.45 | koen | woglinde: time based releases |
| 12:53.31 | rwhitby | koen: monotone.nslu2-linux.org is up and running r/o (except for special keys) with the new database. |
| 12:53.48 | koen | rwhitby: cool |
| 12:54.01 | koen | *fingers crossed* |
| 12:54.15 | rwhitby | oe, koen, mickeyl, nslu2-linux, dyoung, rwhitby are one keys allowed to write. |
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| 12:56.32 | koen | hugin is quite slow |
| 12:56.53 | NA|Zzz | Yeah, it is.. |
| 12:56.59 | NA|Zzz | But it can give some nice results. |
| 12:57.16 | NA|Zzz | I've got a 1m wide pano on my wall done in hugin |
| 12:58.13 | NA|Zzz | Which reminds me.. I should get around to putting together a few photos I took a couple of weeks back. |
| 12:59.00 | koen | my 12mm has a 90 degree FOV, so pano's are getting much easier to produce :) |
| 12:59.18 | rwhitby | "make update" seems to be working ... |
| 12:59.29 | rwhitby | koen: should I use --lca by default for merges any more? |
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| 13:00.10 | koen | iirc 0.28 doesn't even have --lca :) |
| 13:00.14 | koen | so, no |
| 13:31.55 | x29a | koen: ts_calibrate worked just fine, thx again |
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| 14:32.35 | zkchong | hi guys, may I know anyone has experience with linux running in AVR before? |
| 14:35.01 | NA|Zzz | AVR? As in the microcontrollers? |
| 14:35.27 | zkchong | yes NA|Zzz |
| 14:35.43 | zkchong | do u have any experience about it? |
| 14:35.57 | NA|Zzz | I don't believe there's a linux port to AVRs, not even uClinux.. |
| 14:36.17 | zkchong | well.. |
| 14:36.26 | zkchong | then what os can run on those microcontroller? |
| 14:36.42 | NA|Zzz | Certainly no mainstream OS that I know of |
| 14:36.55 | NA|Zzz | Most are a little too heavyweight for such a micro |
| 14:37.30 | zkchong | well, what are those lightweight os available? mind to share with me, pls. |
| 14:39.23 | NA|Zzz | I haven't had too much experience with it; you'd be better off googling around for it. You can get crosscompilers that run under *ix though that target AVRs.. what functionality are you looking for from the OS? |
| 14:40.55 | zkchong | NA|Zzz: I need it to run a sensor network. |
| 14:41.23 | koen | -g -O2 -c -o libvigra_impex_a-byteorder.o |
| 14:41.28 | zkchong | so, it must able to support the routing protocol and interface with the rf ic , and etc. |
| 14:41.35 | koen | ~lart spamfilters |
| 14:41.44 | koen | ~lart non-working spamfilters |
| 14:43.30 | NA|Zzz | zkchong: You'd be looking for something a bit heavier than an AVR micro unless you want to implement it yourself; for sake of development time, it might be worth moving to one of the platforms where uCLinux has been ported to, say, xscale, or coldfire. |
| 14:44.11 | zkchong | using XScale in sensor node is abit costly. |
| 14:44.20 | NA|Zzz | Correct. |
| 14:44.31 | zkchong | and my supervisor surely will definitely disagree with me. |
| 14:44.37 | koen | using intel chips in general is costly |
| 14:44.38 | NA|Zzz | But any OS that's oriented towards networked devices is going to be primarily targeted at larger systems. |
| 14:45.03 | koen | cirrus ep9302: $9, xscale: $39 |
| 14:45.36 | zkchong | XScale.. $39.. what if I need to build 1000 nodes... |
| 14:45.40 | NA|Zzz | zkchong: You might want to do some research into networked sensor projects that've been used in the past - that'll give you a guide as to what methods may work. |
| 14:45.42 | zkchong | bankrupt. |
| 14:45.54 | NA|Zzz | Well, 1000 nodes isn't going to be cheap regardless. |
| 14:45.57 | zkchong | yes, thanks NA |
| 14:46.30 | zkchong | I see some people using tinyos for the sensor networks. |
| 14:46.39 | zkchong | but I wish I can find more choices. |
| 14:46.44 | NA|Zzz | zkchong: Have a dig around http://linuxdevices.com/ if you still want to go down the linux route though. |
| 14:47.15 | koen | linux runs on arm7, and those can be gotten pretty cheap |
| 14:47.48 | zkchong | thanks NA|Zzz |
| 14:47.58 | zkchong | well, koen, how pretty cheap it is? |
| 14:48.02 | zkchong | less than $10? |
| 14:48.24 | koen | depends on the volume |
| 14:48.37 | koen | try contacting sharp or samsung about it |
| 14:50.03 | zkchong | ok. thanks koen. I will loook at it. |
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| 14:57.10 | fijam | ~hail OE |
| 14:57.15 | ibot | ACTION bows down to OE and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 15:04.41 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:04.57 | zkchong | morning 2 |
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| 15:36.19 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 15:37.07 | woglinde | hi reenoo |
| 15:37.24 | reenoo | hey woglinde |
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| 15:59.53 | poushag | hi folks |
| 16:00.06 | poushag | im setting up OE on a debian vm |
| 16:00.18 | poushag | i got bitbake checked out |
| 16:00.52 | poushag | this is my first attempt ever to get involved in developing/debugging |
| 16:01.16 | poushag | and the wiki is pretty good so far with the exception of how to install monotone |
| 16:02.57 | poushag | it just says "install monotone 0.27" but when i do 'apt-get -s install monotone' it only has v0.26 - any help out there? |
| 16:03.41 | koen | that's ok |
| 16:04.15 | koen | but if you *really* want 0.27: http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/ <- debs avaiable |
| 16:04.47 | poushag | so v0.26 will work - is there any compelling reason o should go to 0.27 right now? |
| 16:04.59 | poushag | s/ o / i / |
| 16:05.25 | koen | nothing really interesting for people without commit access |
| 16:05.40 | NA|Zzz | poushag: sid has 0.27 if you really want it.. |
| 16:06.35 | poushag | ive never even used debian before - just redhat & fedora |
| 16:06.55 | poushag | so i really dont understand the cost/benefit tradeoff of sarge vs sid |
| 16:07.06 | koen | stable vs unstable |
| 16:07.17 | poushag | i know that |
| 16:07.20 | NA|Zzz | poushag: sid's more bleeding-edge.. you get more recent stuff, but less testing has been performed. |
| 16:07.21 | koen | venge.net has sarge devs for 0.27 |
| 16:07.29 | poushag | that doesnt explain cost/benefit relationship |
| 16:07.44 | NA|Zzz | poushag: Well, define what's a benefit for you.. |
| 16:08.05 | poushag | i mean how often am i going to be butting my head against a wall because my build environment is giving me a problem? |
| 16:08.32 | poushag | i want to develop/debug not waste time fooling with the environment |
| 16:08.45 | NA|Zzz | Individual packaages that are well-maintained tend to be fine under sid; I've got two work servers, and 10 workstations running sid without any real issues. |
| 16:10.08 | poushag | what is the biggest issue then (so i can understand what makes a non-real issue) |
| 16:11.10 | NA|Zzz | When there's transitions between major packages.. i.e. C++ ABI transition, or KDE version transitions, certain packages can be uninstallable during the transition periods, which can sometimes last weeks. |
| 16:12.05 | poushag | ok thx - thats valuable intelligence |
| 16:12.38 | poushag | are there one or two features that make sid significantly better than sarge for OE dev? if so what? |
| 16:13.04 | NA|Zzz | For OE, I don't think there's any major advantages. |
| 16:13.27 | NA|Zzz | Certainly for workstation use there is (X desktop environments/apps).. but not for OE. |
| 16:13.34 | poushag | ok well im only running this vm for OE dev |
| 16:13.50 | poushag | and im only using command line so far |
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| 16:14.23 | poushag | theres no significant advantage to using gui to build oe is there? |
| 16:16.03 | poushag | anybody? |
| 16:17.05 | nchip | poushag: (re: debian) there is also etch, which is more tested than sid and has newer stuff than sarge |
| 16:17.45 | poushag | the only thing i can think of off the top of my head might be for using xxdiff as i have done on fedora and redhat machines |
| 16:18.14 | koen | poushag: atm OE is command-line only |
| 16:18.36 | poushag | well maybe if you toss a sources.list file in a pastebin for me i could see how to set up for etch |
| 16:19.39 | poushag | thx koen - xxdiff is just a handy diff tool that has color for diff listing/reconciling |
| 16:19.53 | koen | I usually use meld |
| 16:20.29 | poushag | so thats the only gui use i can think of right now - i hate regular old diff - im too spoiled by beyond compare and xxdiff |
| 16:20.50 | poushag | is meld a gui or cli tool? |
| 16:21.22 | NA|Zzz | I use kdiff3 here.. seems decent enough |
| 16:22.06 | poushag | i would like to avoid gui if possible |
| 16:22.17 | poushag | is kdiff3 gui or cli? |
| 16:23.35 | koen | meld is a gtk2 gui |
| 16:23.41 | koen | kdifft a qt3 one |
| 16:23.56 | poushag | yeah i shouldve known by the k prefix |
| 16:24.23 | poushag | but i only recently started using kde stuff (on my Z) |
| 16:24.39 | poushag | heheh |
| 16:25.21 | poushag | is there a diff tool for cli that has colors? |
| 16:26.39 | NA|Zzz | poushag: gui |
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| 16:27.18 | NA|Zzz | koen: Yeah, you're not a misspelt word like most of the KDE apps :) |
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| 16:29.50 | koen | thank god gnome stopped doing that |
| 16:30.40 | NA|Zzz | Yeah, it's childish at best. |
| 16:32.18 | poushag | well i will worry about gui when i cant avoid doing some color diffing |
| 16:32.31 | poushag | because my vm has a lot of gui issues right now |
| 16:34.10 | poushag | i would have to add support for my video card, increase the desktop size - i dont enjoy fooling wiht Xorg.conf (or whatever the conf file was before that *86*.conf) |
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| 16:44.15 | poushag | it looks like cdif at least could help make differences stand out more for cli |
| 16:45.29 | poushag | but cdif package seems to not exist for debian |
| 16:47.07 | koen | heh |
| 16:47.10 | koen | 151MB tiff file |
| 16:47.51 | NA|Zzz | koen: from hugin? |
| 16:47.56 | koen | yes |
| 16:48.13 | koen | 36MB if I remove the borders |
| 16:48.24 | NA|Zzz | I'm not surprised.. I've had 30mpix panos come out that big.. |
| 16:49.38 | koen | the result: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/Nederland/enschede/enschedewideangle/grotemarkt-pano.jpg.html?q=gallery |
| 16:49.43 | koen | not bad for a first try |
| 16:49.47 | koen | ~hail enblend |
| 16:49.48 | ibot | ACTION bows down to enblend and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:50.49 | NA|Zzz | koen: Good stuff =) |
| 16:53.43 | NA|Zzz | This's one of mine that I got printed up.. http://tucuxi.org/images/pano/pano1FLT.jpg - big version is http://tucuxi.org/images/pano/pano1FLTx.jpg (warning; 6mb file) |
| 16:56.25 | koen | nice! |
| 16:56.30 | NA|Zzz | Thanks =) |
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| 16:57.20 | koen | hey zecke! |
| 16:57.30 | zecke | hey |
| 16:57.35 | zecke | *home* |
| 16:57.57 | reenoo | hey zecke |
| 16:58.16 | zecke | hey |
| 16:58.20 | zecke | reenoo: how are you? |
| 16:59.38 | reenoo | zecke: a bit exhausted, sick of the oh so great (according to the media and people who don't have to work) summer, but otherwise fine. you? |
| 17:00.13 | zecke | reenoo: I was busy preparing stuff for the Filmfest Muenchen and just returned home |
| 17:00.23 | zecke | reenoo: I'm exhausted and such... |
| 17:00.31 | zecke | otherwise it was fun and I'm feeling fine |
| 17:04.57 | reenoo | ah, interesting. what have you been doing in munich? |
| 17:07.47 | poushag | oe db appears to be about 100mb zipped - how nig is it unzipped? |
| 17:07.53 | poushag | *big |
| 17:09.32 | chouimat | 46GB |
| 17:09.33 | zecke | reenoo: The company I'm doing my studienarbeit/pseudo-research at, cooperated with Vodafone Pilotentwicklung to present some newish television format |
| 17:10.07 | reenoo | zecke: ah, cool |
| 17:10.28 | zecke | poushag: my fresh pull is 98MB unzipped |
| 17:10.58 | zecke | reenoo: yeah, it was funny to see ~60 phones showing the same content |
| 17:14.14 | poushag | thx zecke - i dont have unlimited space for my vm so the size is important - the sw packages i had to install were already about 100MB |
| 17:15.38 | NA|Zzz | poushag: You'll need approx. 7-8gb for a single image to build.. |
| 17:17.03 | poushag | what i about just building opi-kde-image? |
| 17:17.25 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 17:17.34 | NA|Zzz | poushag: opie-image for openzaurus-unstable on my box takes about 7gb.. |
| 17:17.38 | poushag | hi coredump |
| 17:17.52 | CoreDump|home | RP: are you around? |
| 17:18.07 | poushag | ok i think i can handle that - checking.... |
| 17:20.35 | CoreDump|home | I take it the repo is still RO? |
| 17:22.32 | poushag | looks like i have 1.4GB used and 5.95GB available |
| 17:22.57 | NA|Zzz | CoreDump|home: Yeah, from what the wiki says |
| 17:24.05 | poushag | actually 5.7GB avail and 7.5GB total |
| 17:24.34 | poushag | is there anything i can do to conserve space? |
| 17:25.10 | NA|Zzz | poushag: Nothing that's easily automated, unfortunately. |
| 17:25.38 | NA|Zzz | You can rm -rf tmp/work/.../packagename after it's built and nothing depends on having the source of it there.. but that's about it |
| 17:26.39 | poushag | can i tweak a few ipks without making images? |
| 17:26.41 | zecke | place INHERIT += "rm_work" into your local.conf and hopes it works |
| 17:26.51 | zecke | sure |
| 17:27.08 | zecke | poushag: images are created by installing the ipk |
| 17:27.16 | poushag | well maybe i will limit myself to that |
| 17:27.42 | poushag | zecke, not sure what you meant by that - can you clarify pls |
| 17:28.02 | poushag | installing the ipk on what? |
| 17:28.14 | NA|Zzz | poushag: Locally, within a staging area |
| 17:28.24 | poushag | is there a Z emulator included in oe? |
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| 17:30.03 | Greg2 | hello everyone |
| 17:30.09 | poushag | or do i have to test ipks by installing them on my actual Zaurus? |
| 17:31.13 | poushag | does anyone know how much space i need to build without making images |
| 17:31.14 | CoreDump|home | hi Greg2 |
| 17:31.15 | poushag | ? |
| 17:31.45 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home, hi |
| 17:32.42 | poushag | i read practically the whole wiki already - perhaps answers to some of these should be added to the faq section (or elsewhere) |
| 17:33.52 | CoreDump|home | poushag: that depends on what you are trying to do. If your want to compile a single opie or GPE app, then the dependencies will have to be compiled, too. You'll probably stay below a full Opie / GPE image build tho |
| 17:34.28 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: I can't compile image w/ working sound on poodle anymore :\ |
| 17:35.08 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home, why? |
| 17:35.22 | CoreDump|home | ALSA lib control.c:817:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default |
| 17:35.22 | CoreDump|home | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 17:35.22 | CoreDump|home | r |
| 17:35.46 | CoreDump|home | I even trashed tmp to no avail |
| 17:38.05 | poushag | thx coredump - guess i will try it and see |
| 17:38.08 | poushag | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.25 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home, i'm on my laptop and all my notes about this are on my desktop, but i will check them later |
| 17:38.28 | CoreDump|home | poushag: by installing them onto the Z |
| 17:38.37 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: thanks |
| 17:38.50 | poushag | ok so theres no Z emulator available it appears |
| 17:39.12 | koen | qemu |
| 17:39.27 | koen | http://www.o-hand.com/~richard/qemu.html |
| 17:39.47 | Greg2 | hey koen |
| 17:39.55 | poushag | thx koen - have you used it with good results? |
| 17:40.19 | zecke | mvlcee *eek* |
| 17:40.33 | koen | haven't used it at all |
| 17:40.43 | koen | zecke: did you post the mail to the monotone list yet? |
| 17:40.49 | koen | and can we go r/w? |
| 17:41.00 | zecke | koen: No, I didn't yet. |
| 17:41.14 | zecke | koen: let us go r/w as these 'errors' where in the original db as well |
| 17:41.45 | poushag | well i will stick to using the actual Z for now - but i bookmarked that qemu page for later |
| 17:45.14 | woglinde | he zecke |
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| 17:49.03 | koen | zecke: you, mickeyl and me have 'w' now |
| 17:50.57 | zecke | koen: do we need to update this one hook? |
| 17:51.11 | zecke | koen: you? had placed '#' in it so we might still need to update |
| 17:51.46 | koen | mickeyl has placed those |
| 17:55.27 | poushag | im in the wiki step "create local configuration" |
| 17:56.11 | poushag | it mentions that i need the arm cross-compiler for 2.4 kernel - how do i get it? |
| 17:57.36 | koen | zecke: the db had lost all the pubkeys, I restored them |
| 18:00.45 | zecke | ah you pushed |
| 18:01.10 | koen | yep |
| 18:03.59 | zecke | lol |
| 18:04.11 | zecke | who did create the oe@oe passphrase? |
| 18:04.20 | koen | :) |
| 18:05.26 | zecke | I'm disgusted by the actions of israel, they make me even more depressive... |
| 18:07.18 | zecke | koen: what do we do with the ciabot? |
| 18:07.41 | koen | fix it, hopefully |
| 18:07.50 | koen | or wait till mr ibiza fixes it |
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| 18:09.56 | zecke | koen: do we have ciabot installed? |
| 18:11.36 | koen | zecke: no idea |
| 18:21.20 | zecke | koen: was it oeAT merlin? |
| 18:21.47 | koen | openembedded @ |
| 18:22.14 | zecke | did he disable the login? |
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| 18:23.12 | koen | not that I know off |
| 18:23.24 | koen | zecke: for line in (t.strip() for t in self.standalone.run('ls', ['tags'])): |
| 18:23.29 | koen | is that python 2.3 or 2.4? |
| 18:25.07 | zecke | dunno |
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| 18:27.34 | Greg2 | my dail-up connection is sooo frustrating |
| 18:29.45 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home, you still around? |
| 18:29.58 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: yeah |
| 18:30.10 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home, have you bitbaked the alsa stuff with the image, conf, settings, alsctl, etc.? |
| 18:30.14 | CoreDump|home | I fixed my alsa problem, I was missing the ala-conf package |
| 18:30.25 | Greg2 | ok :) |
| 18:30.43 | CoreDump|home | and indeed the distortions vanish after resuming from suspend =) |
| 18:30.59 | Greg2 | good! |
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| 18:31.23 | florian | hi |
| 18:31.24 | CoreDump|home | hi florian |
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| 18:35.50 | JustinP | koen: :-) |
| 18:38.56 | Greg2 | RP: i'm not sure if your here now... but thanks for all the kernel work you've done on the poodle :) |
| 18:41.02 | zecke | koen: I'm working on ciabot now |
| 18:41.10 | koen | zecke: thanks |
| 18:41.17 | koen | zecke: I'm working on viewmtn right nbow |
| 18:41.20 | koen | now* |
| 18:41.58 | koen | zecke: shall I send out a mail asking for devs to apply for r/w access? |
| 18:42.16 | zecke | koen: why do we want that? |
| 18:42.27 | zecke | koen: is there any reason not to allow old people to push? |
| 18:42.35 | zecke | koen: do we want to know who is around? |
| 18:43.29 | koen | zecke: I don't really care how we do it |
| 18:43.56 | zecke | koen: let us avoid frustration and simply add the devs |
| 18:44.06 | zecke | koen: otherwise we would need to mail every one |
| 18:44.16 | koen | zecke: no, mail oe@ |
| 18:44.34 | zecke | this would lead to the frustration I want to avoid |
| 18:44.46 | zecke | even if people should, not every ones reads that list |
| 18:45.19 | koen | could you close .monotonerc? |
| 18:45.27 | zecke | done |
| 18:46.05 | koen | done |
| 18:46.25 | koen | OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org | Bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ |
| 18:50.29 | XorA | that us migrated then? |
| 18:50.47 | zecke | XorA: almost |
| 18:51.04 | koen | cia and viewmtn are a bit non-working |
| 18:53.18 | zecke | eeek |
| 18:54.26 | zecke | koen: oops |
| 18:54.30 | zecke | did I remove your screen? |
| 18:54.37 | koen | you did :) |
| 18:54.45 | zecke | its yours |
| 18:54.54 | zecke | ciabot is running :} |
| 18:55.04 | koen | :) |
| 18:55.08 | zecke | mickeyl already did the lion share of work |
| 18:55.56 | koen | viewmtn seems to be working as well |
| 18:56.28 | zecke | diffs are broken :) |
| 18:56.38 | zecke | http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=c13ab0631c2aaf1672f6230f234f77319425ecaf&id2=bf34399aa1a49c91eb9c8569e3bd803c0006a501 |
| 18:57.19 | koen | http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/diff.psp?id1=580919464ad15e7c6f626f4777c1683ad8651be3&id2=2e86ad9f702085cdc43db32345744bae3a2268eb&fname=classes/base.bbclass |
| 18:57.38 | Greg2 | bbl |
| 18:58.39 | zecke | now I need someone to test drive my rosterify script |
| 19:00.13 | XorA | zecke: koen congrats ont he operation then, and cheers for the hard work |
| 19:00.30 | zecke | XorA|gone: oh well, let us see what we have missed |
| 19:00.44 | zecke | we have not ran all of the planned tests, just some plausubility checks |
| 19:01.14 | poushag | using google i found some reference to gcc-cross-sa1100 rpm - but debian doesnt use rpm - is there a pkg somewhere for debian? |
| 19:01.26 | zecke | maybe? |
| 19:01.43 | koen | poushag: why would you need that? |
| 19:01.44 | NA|Zzz | poushag: You may be able to use 'alien' with it.. rpm to dpkg converter, iirc |
| 19:02.34 | poushag | brb -wife calling |
| 19:05.50 | poushag | ok got rid of the spider |
| 19:07.03 | poushag | koen, im just following what the wiki says - i have a collie and it says you must have arm cross compiler installed |
| 19:07.12 | poushag | for 2.4 kernels |
| 19:07.16 | koen | ah |
| 19:07.23 | koen | I always forget about that :) |
| 19:08.05 | poushag | has anyone even attempted to get collie to 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:08.35 | koen | a few |
| 19:09.33 | poushag | the cross-compiler appears to depend on gcc 2.95 - i think the gcc stuff i installed was ver 4 |
| 19:10.25 | zecke | poushag: search for embedix gcc and 2.95 |
| 19:12.55 | poushag | coredump, dont you build stuff for collie? whered you get your cross-compiler? |
| 19:16.51 | poushag | hmmm - the Z has gcc 3.4.4 on it - does this mean that i need a cross compiler to integrate with that version of gcc? |
| 19:17.08 | zecke | poushag: gcc 2.95 is needed for the ancient kernel |
| 19:17.25 | zecke | poushag: and the gcc version used for the kernel has little to nothing to do with the version for the userspace |
| 19:17.39 | poushag | ok thx for clearing that up |
| 19:18.12 | poushag | so even to just build an opie ipk i still need the cross compiler? |
| 19:18.37 | zecke | poushag: they might indirectly depend on virtual/kernel |
| 19:18.49 | poushag | ok thats what i thought |
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| 19:19.06 | zecke | poushag: but try it out, we should use sanitized kernel headers which should work with your kernel as well |
| 19:19.18 | zecke | poushag: so just try it |
| 19:19.28 | zecke | poushag: and once again google for embedix gcc and 2.95 |
| 19:19.39 | zecke | poushag: you should be able to find a toolchain |
| 19:19.52 | poushag | you mean try it without the cross compiler? i did google that and didnt get any good links |
| 19:20.07 | reenoo | ~zauruskernels |
| 19:20.09 | ibot | methinks zauruskernels is by default Zaurus used 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 - now we have 2.6 working on all clamshells and work is progressing for tosa, poodle, collie. More info in OpenZaurus wiki: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Kernel_Information |
| 19:20.09 | zecke | poushag: I just did, so try again |
| 19:21.15 | reenoo | hmm |
| 19:21.18 | poushag | googling 'arm cross-compiler zaurus' seems to yield something useful |
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| 19:51.42 | poushag | zecke, i figured out what happened - i spelled embedix with two Ds |
| 20:00.55 | poushag | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6830035793.html - does this look correct? the header file links seem to reference the wrong kernel |
| 20:01.33 | poushag | na, i think youre right - sharp distributed these in rpms so alien may be my only option |
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| 20:07.18 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r141d60d3... 10/ (1 README): README: remove leading space |
| 20:07.27 | koen | wheeeee |
| 20:07.47 | poushag | http://web.archive.org/web/20041128100701/http://downloads.zaurususergroup.com/downloads/docs/downloads/ seems to have some rpms that might be useful |
| 20:09.35 | zecke | koen: yes? |
| 20:10.03 | zecke | koen: may I steal the screen? |
| 20:10.07 | koen | sure |
| 20:11.10 | koen | any volunteers for a news story for the frontpage? |
| 20:16.25 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:16.27 | zecke | let us wait |
| 20:17.06 | koen | rss aggregator is working as well |
| 20:20.07 | zecke | Yeah I have time for tinderbox hacking |
| 20:24.18 | koen | ~guinness koen |
| 20:24.19 | ibot | ACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen |
| 20:25.21 | woglinde | kilkenny |
| 20:25.28 | woglinde | but I have rotkehlchen |
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| 20:28.45 | poushag | http://wiki.splitbrain.org/zaurusdevel has good notes for debian cross compiler setup |
| 20:29.04 | koen | why would we need that? |
| 20:29.07 | koen | we have oe :) |
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| 20:29.29 | poushag | not all of it - just the cross compiler part for collies |
| 20:32.53 | zecke | reenoo: would you be interested if I run regular builds of familiar? |
| 20:35.43 | koen | if he would be he shouldn't have forked |
| 20:35.56 | zecke | psst |
| 20:37.44 | reenoo | zecke: dunno. would probably help notify people if things break. |
| 20:39.10 | zecke | reenoo: do you have any ETA for your release? |
| 20:39.54 | reenoo | zecke: not a precise one. why would that matter? |
| 20:40.31 | zecke | I'm just courious :) |
| 20:41.54 | reenoo | docs and website need some love. not sure how long that will take. |
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| 21:52.50 | Greg2 | re |
| 21:52.56 | x29a | wb |
| 21:53.29 | Greg2 | thanks x29a |
| 21:54.23 | RP | CoreDump|afk: I am now... |
| 21:54.41 | RP | Greg2: you're welcome, thanks :) |
| 21:54.55 | Greg2 | RP hey |
| 21:55.02 | rwhitby | monotone.nslu2-linux.org is now synced with monotone.openembedded.org - just need to set up a cron job now that can handle the database being locked by mtn serve ... |
| 21:59.33 | RP | rwhitby: I did try and get the slug serial interface going btw - soldered up an adapter and spent a while wondeing why it didn't work until I realised I'd picked up the wrong chip from the desk (I had four with the same number of pins) :-/. Thankfully the slug appears undamaged... |
| 22:02.00 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r1c2239c2... 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Remove references to imaginary variables. BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS is no longer required/exists. Ditto GPE_EXTRA_DEPENDS. |
| 22:10.00 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r186e7912... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: Fix PV strings and lower default preference of 1.0.0 due to build problems |
| 22:13.13 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd1f5dde5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.17.bb): linux-oz-2.6.17: Update ASoC 0.11pre2 -> 0.11pre5, fixing several issues |
| 22:26.35 | rwhitby | RP: cool - is it working now? |
| 22:28.14 | RP | rwhitby: I hard soldered the adapter to make it inline and small - will have to do it again - that'll teach me to hardsolder things ;-) |
| 22:45.13 | florian | good night |
| 22:45.21 | RP | 'night all |
| 22:45.33 | reenoo | 'night RP |
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| 23:02.15 | multimode | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources/tslib_pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk__20060703.tar.gz |
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| 23:02.24 | multimode | 17:59:19 ERROR 404: Not F |
| 23:04.03 | multimode | is the package name right? http://www.oesources.org/source/current/tslib_pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk__20040509.tar.gz |
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| 23:37.55 | rwhitby | nslu2-linux monotone migration is complete. |
| 23:50.14 | chouimat | cool |
