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| 02:17.21 | |BundaBRG| | hmmm, where can I found source to keylaunch. Its bb file doesn't specify... |
| 02:20.35 | |BundaBRG| | nm.. found it |
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| 03:27.07 | arm-bar | hello |
| 03:27.43 | emte | ? |
| 03:32.32 | arm-bar | Are all c3100's the same or is there a few versions better than others? |
| 03:33.29 | emte | is everyone asleep in OZ? |
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| 06:37.13 | TEMic | morning |
| 06:41.02 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:07.07 | _law_ | hi koen |
| 07:13.51 | RP | morning all |
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| 07:59.13 | XorA | morning |
| 08:00.52 | koen | hey XorA |
| 08:03.48 | schurig | koen, XorA: hi! |
| 08:04.07 | schurig | any news from then speedier monotone transformation? |
| 08:06.25 | XorA | ~lart mutt for not letting me read my mail |
| 08:07.29 | koen | hey schurig |
| 08:07.44 | koen | schurig: see http://www.openembedded.org/ |
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| 08:08.31 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 08:08.48 | koen | hey ade|desk |
| 08:09.33 | schurig | koen: I've seen this, but today I wanted to get the last updates from monotone.vanille.de, dominion.kabel.utwente.nl and ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl (in that order) and couldn't connect to anyone |
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| 08:10.17 | XorA | schurig: Ive just pulled from vanille |
| 08:10.29 | zecke | koen: hey |
| 08:10.35 | schurig | XorA: hmm, then my firewall is weird :-) |
| 08:10.52 | XorA | schurig: sometimes vanille gets congested and does wierd things, try again |
| 08:11.16 | koen | zecke: hey to you too |
| 08:11.33 | zecke | koen: you md5sumed by binaries |
| 08:11.41 | koen | schurig: try monotone.openembedded.org |
| 08:11.50 | koen | zecke: yep |
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| 08:25.40 | TEMic | libsdl-qpe compile breaks with a million of 'multiple definition of ...' |
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| 08:29.54 | koen | cbrake_away: check the fancy new TOC of http://www.openembedded.org/oefaq |
| 08:30.20 | koen | cbrake_away: html anchors sort of work now |
| 08:33.10 | zecke | TEMic: that is not good |
| 08:33.30 | zecke | TEMic: which version of binutils was used? |
| 08:33.58 | TEMic | 2.16 |
| 08:41.32 | zecke | hmm |
| 08:41.50 | zecke | okay so binutils 2.16 is not right as well :} |
| 08:42.10 | TEMic | why? |
| 08:42.35 | zecke | well: We introduced binutils 2.17 and glibc 2.3 stopped compiling with an error with __bind |
| 08:42.49 | zecke | we went back to binutils 2.16 and it gives multiple definitions |
| 08:43.11 | zecke | so we need to find out what openzaurus-unstable has used before ( I could have sworn it was binutils 2.16) |
| 08:43.38 | RP | zecke: It was a 2.15.xxxx version |
| 08:43.54 | zecke | TEMic: edit your distro conf and instead of using 2.16 select one of the hight 2.15.99* versions |
| 08:44.03 | RP | zecke: check poky - It was setup the same as OZ |
| 08:44.12 | zecke | hehe :) |
| 08:44.17 | koen | zecke: it worked fine, till you reverted my cset |
| 08:44.23 | zecke | RP: evil advertising |
| 08:44.26 | TEMic | zecke: ok, give me... 3 hours ;-) |
| 08:44.30 | zecke | koen: haeh? |
| 08:45.04 | koen | zecke: I committed this: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=76c8df086a972bf977e792a3dc937701548faf7a |
| 08:45.07 | RP | PREFERRED_VERSION_binutils-cross ?= "2.15.94.0.1" |
| 08:45.26 | zecke | koen: it is - not _ |
| 08:45.31 | koen | zecke: which you reverted by doing this: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=f74c5b28674ae947e0e24d96c8a8d05ed2810c69 |
| 08:45.57 | zecke | koen: so I reverted because I thought it was old, because it was wrong :) |
| 08:46.34 | zecke | koen: I will disapprove my cset |
| 08:46.45 | koen | zecke: ehm |
| 08:46.46 | zecke | koen: and correct yours, I probably even try this 'pluck' thing |
| 08:46.51 | koen | zecke: we're read-only |
| 08:46.55 | zecke | koen: right |
| 08:47.02 | koen | file a bug :) |
| 08:47.06 | zecke | koen: this is why I didn't gave any time |
| 08:47.07 | zecke | hehe |
| 08:47.13 | koen | :p |
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| 08:50.00 | zecke | koen: #1183 |
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| 09:14.53 | goxboxlive | morning : Will firefox work with Opie? Or is it just a GPE app? |
| 09:15.18 | |BundaBRG| | Its X11 only, so not Opie. |
| 09:15.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 09:36.14 | TEMic | zecke: also crashes with binutils-cross 2.15.94.0.1 |
| 09:36.24 | zecke | rebuild it |
| 09:36.38 | zecke | and don't say crashes |
| 09:37.00 | TEMic | rebuild what? |
| 09:37.17 | zecke | binutils, gcc, glibc, the package |
| 09:38.23 | TEMic | argh! i forgot to gcc and glibc. ok, i'll see |
| 09:39.09 | schurig | TEMic: are you really logged in as "root"? Don't IRC while being root ... |
| 09:43.31 | koen | ~ugt |
| 09:43.36 | ibot | methinks ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 09:45.33 | TEMic | schurig: Why not? It's an isolated system with nothing but irc client and firewall... my admins decision... |
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| 10:02.56 | kergoth | why would you? it gains you nothing |
| 10:03.46 | pb__ | morning kergoth |
| 10:04.10 | koen | hey kergoth |
| 10:04.32 | kergoth | hey |
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| 10:22.16 | mickey|office | morning folks |
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| 10:23.33 | zecke | mickey|office: hey |
| 10:24.01 | zecke | mickey|office: the status: I'm running db check on openembedded.org |
| 10:24.18 | zecke | it is at 2.562 |
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| 10:25.52 | Bernardo | good morning |
| 10:26.06 | koen | hey Bernardo |
| 10:29.55 | mickey|office | zecke: cool. i'm really glad you're doing this, btw. |
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| 10:30.05 | do13_ | morning all |
| 10:30.10 | zecke | well. I don't code much in the public ATM |
| 10:30.10 | mickey|office | morning dirk |
| 10:30.16 | koen | hey Dirk |
| 10:30.22 | zecke | so org. and misc. stuff is a good thing to do then |
| 10:30.28 | mickey|office | zecke: we will come back to that, won't we? :)) |
| 10:30.41 | do13_ | hey mickey|office, koen |
| 10:30.49 | zecke | mickey|office: sure! |
| 10:30.55 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:31.10 | koen | once you get used to the braindead indenting python isn't too bad |
| 10:31.19 | zecke | hehe |
| 10:31.28 | zecke | and once you get used to it, you start to like it |
| 10:31.58 | RP | I still hate the indenting ;-) |
| 10:32.14 | zecke | RP: don't you indent C code as well? |
| 10:32.19 | zecke | RP: and now you are forced to :) |
| 10:32.26 | zecke | no more forgetting '{' and '}' |
| 10:32.37 | koen | python actually forces me to indent *less* than I'm used to |
| 10:32.54 | mickey|office | ~indentation |
| 10:32.56 | ibot | methinks indentation is let me quote Donald E. Knuth on that: 'We will perhaps eventually be writing only small modules which are identified by name as they are used to build larger ones, so that devices like indentation, rather than delimiters, might become feasible for expressing local structure in the source language.' |
| 10:33.01 | mickey|office | :D |
| 10:33.13 | mickey|office | do you want to argue with Knuth? |
| 10:33.55 | koen | mickey|office: maybe after building a working pdp-8 from toothpicks |
| 10:34.04 | mickey|office | *nod* |
| 10:34.31 | mickey|office | or how Bruce Eckels put it |
| 10:34.35 | mickey|office | "life is better without braces" |
| 10:34.37 | mickey|office | heh |
| 10:34.38 | zecke | mickey|office: did you know PDP-11 used to control the doors in the ICE? |
| 10:34.48 | mickey|office | zecke: is it? funny :) |
| 10:34.58 | zecke | mickey|office: one of the last things DEC sold |
| 10:35.17 | zecke | PDP-11 SoC because it had all the certification in place |
| 10:35.51 | koen | new business idea: the retro pda, powered by a pdp-11 SoC |
| 10:36.41 | koen | and of course a bluetooth punchcard reader :) |
| 10:37.04 | nchip | ugh |
| 10:37.34 | nchip | I wonder how much a replacement pdp-11 SoC costs |
| 10:38.02 | zecke | DEC is out of business :) |
| 10:39.08 | nchip | zecke: suppose a ICE door breaks, what does deutsche bahn do? :) |
| 10:40.52 | zecke | nchip: order a new train :) |
| 10:41.16 | pb__ | heh |
| 10:41.57 | pb__ | mickey|office: good morning |
| 10:41.59 | pb__ | zecke: good morning |
| 10:42.03 | zecke | master! |
| 10:42.17 | mickey|office | morning phil! |
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| 10:54.37 | RickSeymour | Hi there, where can i find IPv6 modules for Poodle |
| 10:58.23 | koen | RickSeymour: 'bitbake vritual/kernel' and see if it's there |
| 11:02.11 | RickSeymour | thanks..... havent got bitbake on the pda... so i'll do it (if poss) on the gentoo box |
| 11:04.34 | RickSeymour | do you know when the next version of GPE (2.8) is out? was scheduled for june 2006 |
| 11:11.04 | koen | try #gpe :) |
| 11:11.32 | RickSeymour | :P thanks .... "its not ready yet" :) |
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| 11:26.53 | jerrybme | Morning all |
| 11:30.03 | jerrybme | I tried to create an Anstrom gpe-image last night but it errred out on binutils-2.17 |
| 11:30.45 | jerrybme | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6lNUu878.html |
| 11:31.57 | zecke | jerrybme: this doesn't contain an error? |
| 11:32.01 | zecke | jerrybme: it just says there was one |
| 11:32.14 | jerrybme | To build Angstrom,Is the only change needed to a working local.conf "DISTRO = "angstrom-2006.9"? |
| 11:34.52 | jerrybme | zecke: not suer where to look, same info is in log.do_compile |
| 11:35.46 | koen | and you need to wipe TMPDIR |
| 11:35.56 | koen | since OZ and angstrom aren't binary compatible |
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| 11:37.10 | jerrybme | thanks, will do |
| 11:37.27 | zecke | koen: do we have prebuilt angstrom images? |
| 11:37.47 | koen | zecke: only non-working ones |
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| 11:38.32 | koen | zecke: and I don't have the time right now to debug it all |
| 11:38.50 | koen | especially since angstrom isn't going to use task-bootstrap |
| 11:58.23 | koen | meh |
| 11:58.36 | koen | why are vintage computers so heavy? |
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| 12:04.57 | XorA | koen: all that clockwork |
| 12:05.36 | koen | that must be it |
| 12:06.20 | XorA | koen: an interesting vintage? |
| 12:06.43 | koen | 2x sgi indigo2, 1x hp pa-risc, 2x 17" crt |
| 12:07.09 | koen | I moved them to the bicycle shedthingy |
| 12:08.02 | koen | I should move the sparcs there as well |
| 12:08.12 | koen | but that requires moving a 21" crt |
| 12:08.16 | XorA | need to invent a shrink ray |
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| 12:27.29 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 12:28.02 | woglinde | he koen |
| 12:31.18 | zecke | woglinde: how are you? |
| 12:32.10 | woglinde | zecke fine? |
| 12:32.10 | woglinde | why? |
| 12:32.10 | zecke | woglinde: small talk :) |
| 12:32.20 | woglinde | hm oh right I would have a new cellphone |
| 12:32.34 | woglinde | aeh I need a new one |
| 12:32.34 | zecke | woglinde: why? Your TCM Hi-Tech phone is nice |
| 12:32.58 | woglinde | no the contact for the transformer is a little broken |
| 12:33.10 | koen | "For those that think we're in Stage 3 for too long, please note that if |
| 12:33.11 | koen | every frequent GCC contributor fixed three regressions, we'd be under |
| 12:33.11 | koen | 100. We could do it tomorrow -- and certainly this week! -- with a |
| 12:33.11 | koen | concerted effort." |
| 12:33.12 | woglinde | so I couldnt load the battery in a good manner |
| 12:33.19 | koen | optimistic gcc people |
| 12:33.46 | woglinde | koen lol |
| 12:34.08 | koen | that was about branching gcc 4.2 |
| 12:34.24 | woglinde | zecke are you got some sleep? |
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| 12:37.03 | zecke | woglinde: little, but you must be a lot poorer |
| 12:37.09 | zecke | woglinde: is he crying often? |
| 12:37.35 | poushag | hi zecke |
| 12:38.44 | woglinde | zecke nope |
| 12:38.57 | woglinde | he awakes 2 times during night to get some food |
| 12:39.02 | woglinde | with out crying |
| 12:42.30 | jerrybme | koen: wiping tmp dir didn't solve angstrom biuld problem |
| 12:42.42 | jerrybme | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3slORG36.html |
| 12:42.44 | woglinde | hi drw |
| 12:42.55 | drw | hi woglinde |
| 12:43.49 | woglinde | jerry binutils 2.17 |
| 12:43.54 | woglinde | try 2.16 |
| 12:44.31 | koen | no |
| 12:44.35 | koen | eabi needs 2.17 |
| 12:45.12 | jerrybme | Is angstrom too experimental for a user like me to build? |
| 12:45.23 | woglinde | koen oh |
| 12:45.29 | woglinde | koen hm right |
| 12:45.34 | woglinde | makeinfo is missing |
| 12:45.46 | woglinde | but why the fuck binutils stumble about it |
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| 12:46.44 | woglinde | jerrybme try to install makeinfo commando |
| 12:47.43 | zecke | didn't the sanity checker warn about missing texinfo? |
| 12:48.32 | woglinde | zecke aeh binutils shouldnt stumble anyway |
| 12:50.05 | jerrybme | I'm using Ubuntu & makeinfo isn't in their repository. I'll install maually |
| 12:53.42 | zecke | jerrybme: and OE didn't warn you about missing texinfo package? |
| 12:56.04 | jerrybme | Not that I noticed, there were messages about not creating documentation but thought they weren't critical |
| 12:56.19 | jerrybme | installed texinfo now |
| 12:58.48 | zecke | clean binutils now |
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| 12:59.06 | woglinde | did you remove the sanity checker? |
| 12:59.19 | jerrybme | wiped tmp dir again starting fresh |
| 13:00.09 | jerrybme | remove sanity checker?? |
| 13:01.25 | zecke | OE should warn about missing texinfo binary |
| 13:01.34 | zecke | this is actually what wonders me the most |
| 13:03.32 | jerrybme | not enough saved lines for me to go back & check |
| 13:04.49 | jerrybme | I was able to compile simple apps for openzaurus like nano without texinfo |
| 13:05.00 | woglinde | ???? |
| 13:05.21 | woglinde | whithout binutils-cross you cant compile anything |
| 13:05.26 | zecke | anyway you might be more interested in not using binutils 2.17 ;) |
| 13:06.12 | jerrybme | No, the earlier version of binutils was used for openzaurus, now I'm trying Angstrom |
| 13:06.28 | woglinde | zecke hm |
| 13:06.32 | zecke | ah okay |
| 13:06.36 | woglinde | new linux version is out |
| 13:06.40 | woglinde | with fixex for arm |
| 13:12.47 | jerrybme | made it past binutils, thanks for the help |
| 13:13.31 | woglinde | no prob |
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| 13:27.32 | koen | woglinde: 2.6.18-rc2? |
| 13:28.33 | woglinde | koen binutils? |
| 13:36.17 | XorA | RP: I dont suppose you have a rediffed version of Liams latest asoc? |
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| 14:02.59 | RP | XorA: Not yet. We need the fixes I mentioned as well |
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| 14:03.25 | woglinde | hi kerwood |
| 14:03.32 | RP | XorA: I won't have a chance to touch that until this evening |
| 14:06.00 | XorA | RP: its ok, I finally noticed why it dint work, its missing makefile patch |
| 14:08.33 | zecke | koen: where may I put the the DB? |
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| 14:16.00 | zecke | I'm a idiot... |
| 14:22.32 | koen | zecke: ~/monotone/migration ? |
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| 14:25.05 | zecke | is that exported via http? |
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| 14:27.55 | koen | zecke: or ~/website/files/ |
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| 14:28.40 | koen | has db check finished already? |
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| 14:38.58 | zecke | koen: no, and I'm a moron :) |
| 14:39.11 | zecke | koen: today morning, I did not pull in the NSLu2 bits |
| 14:39.18 | zecke | koen: so I might need to run a second check |
| 14:47.24 | ade|desk | anyone knoe of a hqx extractor for debian ? |
| 14:47.35 | ade|desk | s/knoe/know |
| 14:48.16 | koen | hqx? |
| 14:48.18 | NAbyss_ | Look at macutils? |
| 14:48.20 | NAbyss_ | koen: Binhex |
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| 14:51.05 | XorA | RP: looks like Liam broke the clocks again :-( |
| 14:51.29 | XorA | lrg: how did yah manage that trick :-) |
| 14:51.33 | XorA | hey Liam |
| 14:51.58 | lrg | XorA: i had to make changes for AT91RM9200 cpu. |
| 14:52.29 | lrg | XorA: the clocking was a little too specific and needed to be generalised |
| 14:52.50 | XorA | lrg: http://pastebin.ca/90259 |
| 14:55.55 | lrg | XorA: it's not matching. I'll send a patch tonight. Did I manage to clobber spitz as well ? |
| 14:56.17 | XorA | lrg: have to ask a spitz user that :-) |
| 14:56.34 | RP | I've not tested it yet |
| 14:56.43 | lrg | his |
| 14:57.20 | XorA | mikearthur needs to spend his government beer tokens on spitz :-) |
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| 14:59.44 | koen | lrg: did I send you my address already? |
| 14:59.56 | koen | I had to run out on friday and can't remember if I did |
| 15:00.15 | lrg | koen: yep, I'm going to send it tonight or tomorrow |
| 15:01.21 | lrg | XorA: is it just 8k that is broken ? |
| 15:02.05 | koen | lrg: ah, cool |
| 15:02.07 | koen | thanks |
| 15:02.27 | XorA | lrg: that was 44.1K |
| 15:04.57 | cbrake | koen: nice TOC improvements in the FAQ -- that works :-) |
| 15:05.23 | koen | cbrake: it does break the html spec a bit |
| 15:05.37 | koen | cbrake: <a name=foo> requires a closing </a> |
| 15:05.38 | XorA | lrg: used -af resample= to try 8K and 48K and they seem broken as well |
| 15:06.10 | XorA | koen: thats where xhtml is so useful |
| 15:06.39 | koen | XorA: in this case it's just a broken parser |
| 15:07.02 | koen | the </a> thing is a feature of an ugly patch I applied |
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| 15:45.39 | tkp | how can I get i586-oe-linux/staging/bin first in my PATH? |
| 15:45.52 | tkp | PATH =+ doesn't quite do it |
| 15:46.15 | tkp | I seem to remember koen sugesting binconfig |
| 15:46.42 | tkp | but I have inhertited from that and still can not get something at the front of my path |
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| 15:55.42 | zecke | tkp: good question. Set PATH |
| 15:55.50 | zecke | tkp: e.g. PATH = MOO:${PATH} |
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| 15:58.33 | tkp | yes.. ok. |
| 15:58.48 | tkp | binconfig seems to have done almost what I wanted |
| 15:59.51 | tkp | although it installled the binaries into x86_64-linux/bin (native) rather than i586-oe-linux/bin which is where I thought they would go |
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| 16:28.50 | mickey|office | binconfig binaries are going into $HOST_SYS, not TARGET_SYS |
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| 16:46.35 | x29a | ~seen mr_nice |
| 16:46.41 | ibot | mr_nice <n=mr_nice@p54A9D7DA.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 27d 3h 13m 33s ago, saying: 'exit'. |
| 16:46.50 | x29a | bummer |
| 16:46.55 | x29a | ~alias mr_nice |
| 16:47.45 | zecke | x29a: mr_nice_slacker |
| 16:47.50 | zecke | ~seen mr_nice_slacker |
| 16:47.52 | ibot | mr_nice_slacker <n=mr_nice_@p54A9DD76.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 5d 4h 27m 32s ago, saying: 'or where to do a feature request - right here?'. |
| 16:47.57 | x29a | ah, better |
| 16:47.59 | x29a | but still |
| 16:48.02 | x29a | zecke: thx, n hi |
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| 16:54.39 | raduga | hmm. |
| 16:54.53 | raduga | 'where to do a feature request - right here?' is right? ;) |
| 16:55.11 | zecke | preferable bugtracker |
| 16:55.16 | raduga | also for bug reports? and requests that the developers pay attention, and do what we want them to do? |
| 16:55.19 | zecke | 1st bugtracker, 2nd might try here |
| 16:55.22 | raduga | zecke: hence the ;) |
| 16:55.54 | raduga | telling people to post bug reports and feature requests on the tracker, seems to be one of the main functions of this channel |
| 16:56.05 | zecke | hehe |
| 16:56.16 | raduga | yes, it should be for Open Embedded developers to confer with eachother, and discuss relevant things |
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| 17:13.22 | koen | mickeyl: isn't there a way for OE to tell if a distro version doesn't exist? |
| 17:13.41 | zecke | using require |
| 17:14.04 | zecke | using the sanity.bbclass+bbhich |
| 17:24.16 | tkp | when you add something to DEPENDS, does that alter CFLAGS/LDFLAGS in any way, or does it simply make sure the DEPENDS packages are built first? |
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| 17:42.30 | koen | tkp: make sure it's built |
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| 17:45.59 | mickeyl | koen: it boils down to whether we want to allow the flexibility of not setting a DISTRO at all |
| 17:46.11 | mickeyl | we could use require |
| 17:46.17 | mickeyl | and then add an empty distro |
| 17:46.37 | mickeyl | for those who don't want DISTRO rules to apply |
| 17:48.01 | koen | people that don't want a distro are advanced enough to fix it themselves, right? |
| 17:48.33 | mickeyl | yeah. i met only one who wants to build DISTROless |
| 17:49.10 | koen | hrm |
| 17:49.16 | koen | stupid read-only |
| 17:49.19 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:49.29 | mickeyl | found myself wanting to change some things today as well |
| 17:49.39 | mickeyl | need to relax until Thursday and then I'm out for a week anyway |
| 17:50.02 | koen | build up a quilt queue and put it online |
| 17:50.07 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:50.09 | mickeyl | me and quilt |
| 17:50.20 | koen | now we know about --author we can push eachother csets ;) |
| 17:51.14 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:51.19 | mickeyl | http://www.figlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25 |
| 17:52.13 | woglinde | micheyl what? |
| 17:52.27 | mickeyl | zudoku. a GPLed sudoku game for Opie |
| 17:53.13 | koen | when I conquer the world I'm outlawing words starting with 'g', 'q' and 'z' |
| 17:53.21 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:53.29 | mickeyl | bbl, going to eat somewhere |
| 17:53.37 | koen | ~bon appetit |
| 17:53.38 | ibot | i heard bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito |
| 17:53.38 | woglinde | bye mickeyl |
| 17:53.38 | raduga | mickey: me too! |
| 17:53.39 | mickey|bbl | merci |
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| 18:05.04 | koen | yay! |
| 18:05.13 | koen | new SG:atlantis episodes |
| 18:06.05 | woglinde | dont like that |
| 18:06.07 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 18:47.42 | Greg2 | hello everyone |
| 18:58.18 | hvontres|poodle | Hi Greg2 |
| 18:59.25 | Greg2 | hey hvontres|poodle |
| 19:00.04 | hvontres|poodle | are you testing 2.6 on your poodle yet? |
| 19:00.42 | Greg2 | yes, but with some problems |
| 19:00.54 | hvontres|poodle | like what? |
| 19:01.22 | Greg2 | image size now... it's too big |
| 19:01.49 | Greg2 | it's very quit here with oe read-only |
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| 19:03.12 | hvontres|poodle | hmm, which image are you trying to build? I managed to get an opie image to work.. running it right now. |
| 19:04.08 | Greg2 | with the current meta data the opie-image is too big for the poodle flash |
| 19:04.17 | JustinP | Greg2: you're welcome to test the images I built if you like |
| 19:05.04 | Greg2 | JustinP ; thanks but i wouldj rather pisk your brain |
| 19:05.17 | Greg2 | s/pisk/pick |
| 19:05.51 | JustinP | I just built images so people could test |
| 19:05.56 | JustinP | I can help with some OE stuff, though |
| 19:06.04 | Greg2 | k |
| 19:06.17 | Greg2 | do you have a bit of time for me to 'explain' a poodle image build problem and give me your opinion? |
| 19:06.18 | JustinP | if the rootfs size is too big you could always "flash" bootstrap and use altboot to boot from an image on SD or CF |
| 19:06.24 | JustinP | I can try |
| 19:06.39 | Greg2 | yesterday my initrd.bin was 21.5mb with nonworking ts |
| 19:06.46 | Greg2 | so today i updated my data base and my initrd.bin is 21.6mb now and it caused the first boot after flashing to run out of space |
| 19:06.55 | Greg2 | this was probably the reason my ts wouldn't work... no space to write a calibration? |
| 19:07.04 | Greg2 | 'I think' (hehe) that the /machine/poodle.conf should have |
| 19:07.04 | Greg2 | ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = ?32? changed to-> ?22? |
| 19:07.21 | hvontres|poodle | check the poodle-2.6.conf file. I think in the .dev branch they changed the root flash size |
| 19:07.25 | Greg2 | nd then modify the meta-opie.bb accordingly so it fits on flash |
| 19:08.06 | hvontres|poodle | I believe that is what I used. the 32 includes mtdblk1 and 2 .:) |
| 19:08.13 | JustinP | the poodle-2.6.conf in oz354x was updated a few times recently |
| 19:08.34 | JustinP | but the size is in poodle.conf |
| 19:08.47 | JustinP | I have no idea myself what the real root size is |
| 19:09.09 | Greg2 | 22mb |
| 19:09.25 | JustinP | df shows 22MB? |
| 19:09.30 | hvontres|poodle | /dev/mmcblk0p4 22.0M 21.1M 920.0k 96% /media/ROM |
| 19:09.32 | Greg2 | yes |
| 19:09.51 | hvontres|poodle | altbooting from sd right now.:) |
| 19:10.34 | JustinP | hmmm.... |
| 19:10.48 | JustinP | perhaps it should be changed to 22MB then |
| 19:10.49 | Greg2 | that's a temp fix... but i would like it to work from flash |
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| 19:11.04 | JustinP | I suggest altering the _poodle overrides in the task files to remove some programs then |
| 19:11.14 | malcom_mx | hi |
| 19:11.17 | malcom_mx | i install pdaXrom |
| 19:11.24 | malcom_mx | but my Wifi not works |
| 19:11.37 | JustinP | OZ != pdaXrom |
| 19:11.48 | JustinP | pdaXrom doesn't use OE either, IIRC |
| 19:11.50 | malcom_mx | :7 |
| 19:11.59 | malcom_mx | yep, but i ask for if somebody know |
| 19:12.02 | JustinP | did you have a question about OE? |
| 19:12.03 | hvontres|poodle | I used to run the sme image from flash, but I think I boked someting over the weekend and I am using my sd setup as a backup until I can fix it. :) |
| 19:12.08 | CosmicPenguin | whats that? Did you try to go to line 7 in your vim window? |
| 19:12.31 | Greg2 | JustinP: how can an idiot rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that he deleted when attempting to resize his image :-( |
| 19:13.51 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: in OE or on the poodle? |
| 19:14.00 | Greg2 | oe |
| 19:14.23 | hvontres|poodle | in OE: bitbake task-opie-extra-apps...:) |
| 19:14.32 | Greg2 | yes |
| 19:14.47 | hvontres|poodle | and that does not work ? |
| 19:14.53 | Greg2 | no |
| 19:16.04 | hvontres|poodle | hmm, maybe try running bitbake -i and then "rebuild task-opie-extra-apps". I don't know how to do a rebuild from the command line yet |
| 19:16.22 | Greg2 | i'm teaching myself how to modify bb files :-) |
| 19:17.11 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: kinda confusing at first, isn't it :) |
| 19:18.53 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle yes, they have to be perfect in order to be parsed properly |
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| 19:21.58 | hvontres|poodle | Greg2: have you tried GPE yet? |
| 19:23.34 | Greg2 | hvontres|poodle: not with 2.6.17 |
| 19:24.34 | Greg2 | hey koen |
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| 19:24.51 | koen | hey Greg2 |
| 19:25.48 | woglinde | re koen |
| 19:26.02 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 19:26.42 | poushag | hi guys - i have a collie but would like to get a poodle (when i have some money) - it looks like the poodle would run a long time but can any of you answer: what is the longest time youve had a poodle run from battery power? |
| 19:27.26 | malcom_mx | what key it's equal to control and escape from C760? |
| 19:27.32 | koen | don't get a poodle |
| 19:27.38 | koen | it only has 32MB ram |
| 19:27.53 | koen | malcom_mx: left jap key |
| 19:28.08 | koen | and cancel == esc |
| 19:28.10 | poushag | koen: i realize the ram is small but i have a pretty big SD card on the collie already |
| 19:28.28 | malcom_mx | ok |
| 19:28.28 | koen | poushag: ? |
| 19:28.29 | malcom_mx | thanks |
| 19:28.37 | koen | poushag: I said ram, not flash |
| 19:28.53 | poushag | oh sorry - didnt get much sleep last night |
| 19:29.34 | hvontres|poodle | off to get some lunch |
| 19:29.46 | poushag | koen: is there another Z with similar chassis (portrait style with same size screen) and more ram? |
| 19:30.12 | koen | poushag: tosa |
| 19:30.38 | poushag | thx koen - i dont suppose you have a link to a pic handy? |
| 19:30.55 | koen | ~google tosa zaurus |
| 19:31.51 | poushag | yeah will do |
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| 19:33.35 | Greg2 | bbl |
| 19:40.03 | malcom_mx | koen |
| 19:40.04 | malcom_mx | not works |
| 19:40.18 | malcom_mx | i exec ping and i don't cancel |
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| 19:51.11 | JustinP | Greg2: if you deleted the file do: monotone revert xxx.bb |
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| 20:05.44 | Greg2 | JustinP: i deleted the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk in deploy and now i can't build opie-image |
| 20:05.50 | Greg2 | i have the bitbake manual in front of me, but i can't rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that is needed for the rootfs |
| 20:05.58 | JustinP | why not? |
| 20:06.02 | JustinP | rebuild task-opie |
| 20:06.37 | Greg2 | i have the bitbake manual in front of me, but i can't rebuild the task-opie-extra-apps.ipk that is needed for the rootfs |
| 20:06.52 | Greg2 | whoops |
| 20:07.19 | JustinP | or bitbake -c build -f task-opie |
| 20:08.20 | Greg2 | Collected errors: Cannot find package task-opie-extra-apps |
| 20:09.41 | JustinP | Greg2: did you rebuild task-opie? |
| 20:10.18 | Greg2 | i'll try |
| 20:12.07 | Greg2 | Nothing provides dependency task-opie |
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| 20:16.20 | JustinP | Greg2: rebuild meta-opie |
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| 20:16.57 | Greg2 | i'll try |
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| 20:21.12 | Greg2 | JustinP: that worked, now i'll try opie-image |
| 20:21.40 | JustinP | I forgot it was different in oz354x than dev |
| 20:22.03 | Kerwood | not everything Java touches is better for it... |
| 20:22.45 | Kerwood | @#$%^ wrong channel :( |
| 20:27.05 | Greg2 | JustinP: Cannot find package task-opie-extra-apps |
| 20:27.08 | Greg2 | JustinP: there has to be a way to fix this mess |
| 20:27.37 | hovntres|poodle | Greg2: did you delete the .bb file or just the ipkg? |
| 20:28.20 | JustinP | Greg2: find the bbfile where the ipkg is made and rebuild it... |
| 20:28.20 | Greg2 | just the damn ipk and stamps |
| 20:28.30 | JustinP | deleting the stamps should make it work |
| 20:28.38 | JustinP | you must be rebuilding the wrong thing |
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| 20:40.29 | minipanda | ooops .... ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf |
| 20:41.37 | JustinP | minipanda: BBPATH |
| 20:41.50 | minipanda | JustinP: yeap, and let me check ... |
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| 20:48.02 | Greg2 | JustinP: it's very hot here today, and i'm starting to loose my temper :-/ |
| 20:48.05 | Greg2 | JustinP: i have removed the task-opie-extra-apps from the meta-opie.bb :) |
| 20:48.10 | Greg2 | 'll try again now |
| 20:49.29 | JustinP | Greg2: you're sure you actually rebuilt meta-opie? |
| 20:49.41 | Greg2 | yes |
| 20:49.51 | JustinP | Greg2: try "clean meta-opie" then "build meta-opie" and watch the packaging part to see what ipks it creates |
| 20:50.09 | Greg2 | it's too late now |
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| 20:55.06 | zecke | koen|away: now it is checking the revs |
| 20:55.08 | zecke | koen|away: I will kill it now |
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| 21:15.57 | Kristoffer | mornin |
| 21:16.16 | Greg2 | JustinP: i have removed the task-opie-extra-apps from the meta-opie.bb, did bitbake -c clean meta-opie, bitbake meta-opie, bitbake opie-image |
| 21:16.30 | Greg2 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-opie-extra-apps: |
| 21:16.30 | Greg2 | | ${task-opie-extra-apps} |
| 21:16.58 | Greg2 | JustinP: thanks for all you help on this, but i must call it a day... head hurts :-( |
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| 21:19.24 | Greg2 | goodnight all |
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| 21:19.40 | JustinP | Greg2: ${ }??? |
| 21:19.44 | JustinP | that's what's wrong! |
| 21:24.44 | koen | looks like an uninitilalized var |
| 21:31.23 | zecke | rosterifyng the 8.777 nodes now |
| 21:31.32 | koen | yay! |
| 21:33.29 | woglinde | nite |
| 21:36.31 | koen | zecke: ping me if you have a rosterified .db, and I'll have a look at updating the cronjobs and viewmtn |
| 21:38.06 | zecke | koen: have you downloaded Luke's patched viewmtn? |
| 21:39.56 | koen | no, I didn't know it even existed |
| 21:40.22 | koen | anyway |
| 21:44.30 | Kristoffer | is dev. closed for commits? |
| 21:45.09 | zecke | Kristoffer: check www.openembedded.org |
| 21:45.22 | Kristoffer | Ah, doh just rememberd |
| 21:45.23 | zecke | Kristoffer: we have sent 6 announcements, two stories :) |
| 21:45.31 | Kristoffer | yeah :D just abit slow today |
| 21:45.38 | zecke | and you are the first that asks :) |
| 21:45.54 | Kristoffer | Been, working nights and left my head in bed |
| 21:46.28 | zecke | hehe |
| 21:52.14 | zecke | nite |
| 21:55.12 | Kristoffer | zecke, nite man |
| 22:01.19 | Kristoffer | koen|away, got a link to the Package sorting script? |
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| 22:19.57 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:22.47 | Kristoffer | CoreDump|home, hey :D |
| 22:22.58 | Kristoffer | Im feeling lost when committing is offline :) |
| 22:23.13 | CoreDump|home | it is annoying at times, yes |
| 22:24.42 | jkp | CosmicPenguin: you there dude? |
| 22:24.59 | CosmicPenguin | I hope so |
| 22:25.03 | jkp | hey ! |
| 22:25.13 | jkp | been a while :) been hoping to catch you |
| 22:25.39 | CosmicPenguin | I have been done caught - whats up? |
| 22:26.11 | jkp | so |
| 22:26.25 | jkp | imgloader doesnt seem to like imaging running systems |
| 22:26.37 | jkp | whch you said might be the case |
| 22:27.12 | jkp | so i wanted to quiz you on how you might setup a firmware update thing with that in mind... |
| 22:27.20 | jkp | im guessing some kind of ramdisk is needed? |
| 22:27.46 | CosmicPenguin | well, in the stupidest case, yes |
| 22:28.08 | CosmicPenguin | but that assumes that you have free ram as big as your flash |
| 22:28.22 | jkp | should have |
| 22:28.52 | jkp | its painful the way we have to update atm |
| 22:28.58 | jkp | would love to get something working |
| 22:29.03 | CosmicPenguin | all updates are painful - its a fact of life |
| 22:29.10 | CosmicPenguin | if you have the ramdisk memory available, then its an easy operation |
| 22:29.25 | jkp | but the ramdisk image would need to have the new img in it right? |
| 22:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | sync down your filesystems, remount them as read-only (or better yet, unmap them) |
| 22:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | and then image them |
| 22:29.54 | jkp | oh ok, so build a ramdisk on the fly? |
| 22:30.14 | jkp | chroot into it? and then do what you said? |
| 22:30.34 | CosmicPenguin | probably - the problem is ensuing that you have everything you need in memory |
| 22:30.41 | CosmicPenguin | where everything you need is 1) the binary and 2) the .img |
| 22:30.56 | jkp | the binary needs to be static then |
| 22:31.12 | CosmicPenguin | Now, you could probably work around 2) if you were clever - you could figure out where the .img was on the block device, and read the blocks into memory before you blow them away |
| 22:31.33 | jkp | could you not just have a script to do this on a live system? |
| 22:31.42 | jkp | create a ramdisk, copy in image and porgram |
| 22:32.06 | CosmicPenguin | Like I said several days ago, I would just do it from a initramfs |
| 22:32.23 | jkp | right, but what do you put in that and how do you construct it? |
| 22:32.31 | CosmicPenguin | Well, where does the .img come from? |
| 22:33.07 | jkp | youre ona live system, you download the image, create a ramdisk, copy in, mount from ram to a mount |
| 22:33.12 | jkp | hmmm |
| 22:33.28 | CosmicPenguin | So, if you're in an initrd - you do the same thing |
| 22:33.31 | jkp | mount it somehow, then chroot, unmount disk and image? |
| 22:33.47 | jkp | right...so you would make the update consist to the ram disk image |
| 22:34.04 | jkp | then reboot into that, do the update from an init script? |
| 22:34.07 | jkp | and reboot again |
| 22:34.10 | CosmicPenguin | Have you considered that a whole scale firmware update really isn't the way to go? |
| 22:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | how about doing it piecemeal with ipkg? |
| 22:34.32 | jkp | how can you get a differential dpkg? |
| 22:34.35 | jkp | is that possible? |
| 22:34.48 | jkp | s/dpkg/ipkg |
| 22:34.50 | CosmicPenguin | well, you wouldn't get a differential, but do you really care? |
| 22:35.05 | CosmicPenguin | you're planning on blowing away the whole image too - so write life obivously isn't a concern of yours |
| 22:35.05 | jkp | it would be cleaner the other way id have thought |
| 22:35.15 | jkp | no, its a hard disk |
| 22:35.20 | jkp | flash disk |
| 22:37.29 | CosmicPenguin | Can you force a |
| 22:37.39 | CosmicPenguin | forget that |
| 22:38.09 | jkp | i think we had some troubles getting the boot partition to work anyway, ie - what it built was broken |
| 22:38.17 | jkp | but i think id have to get back to you on that |
| 22:39.33 | jkp | would you need anything except imgloader and your image in such a ramdisk then? |
| 22:39.44 | jkp | assuming static imgloader |
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| 22:51.01 | Greg2 | JustinP: you still here? |
| 22:51.14 | JustinP | Greg2: yup |
| 22:51.29 | Greg2 | NOTE: package opie-image-1.0: completed |
| 22:51.29 | Greg2 | NOTE: build 200607171755: completed |
| 22:51.46 | Greg2 | JustinP: i edited my meta-opie.bb and reduced the initrd.bin size from 21.6 to 20.6mb |
| 22:52.04 | Greg2 | JustinP: it's flashed to my poodle and working, thanks again for your help with bitbake |
| 22:52.39 | Greg2 | for the record a poodle initrd.bin should 'not' be over 20mb |
| 22:53.48 | CoreDump|home | Greg2: heh |
| 22:53.56 | hovntres|poodle | Greg2: maybe CoreDump can push an updated poodle.conf when the database is back up |
| 22:54.02 | ggilbert | Isn't poodle two 32MB partitions? |
| 22:54.20 | CoreDump|home | well / is abou 20M |
| 22:54.21 | Greg2 | hey CoreDump|home |
| 22:54.35 | hovntres|poodle | Actually, poodle is ~9mb + 22 mb + 32 mb (three partitions) |
| 22:54.49 | ggilbert | Hmmm. Maybe'm thinking of shepherd |
| 22:55.22 | Kristoffer | Argh, so frustrating not getting past that libopie cvs issue when building opie-image |
| 22:55.28 | hovntres|poodle | but that is spread over 2 32Mb chips :) |
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| 23:00.13 | hovntres|poodle | Kristoffer: what libopie issue? |
| 23:00.29 | Ken|JLime | hovntres|poodle, checkout bug 1151 |
| 23:00.38 | Ken|JLime | Basicly, Im using 1.2.2+cvs for opie image |
| 23:01.10 | Ken|JLime | but even though the necessary packages are built, they are removed (and set to 1.2.2) and it can no longer fill the deps |
| 23:01.46 | CoreDump|home | Ken|JLime: you could hard-wire opie to use 1.2.1 |
| 23:02.13 | Ken|JLime | CoreDump|home, but im interested in 1.2.2+cvsdate. Cause that one works perfect |
| 23:02.37 | Ken|JLime | it seems like all libopie*-cvsdate is removed when package-index is done |
| 23:02.44 | Ken|JLime | and then it cannot fill the deps |
| 23:03.06 | Ken|JLime | its like it thinks that 1.2.2 > 1.2.2+cvsdate |
| 23:03.22 | JustinP | Ken|JLime: perhaps you need to fix ipkg-make-index |
| 23:03.53 | Ken|JLime | Will take a look at it, |
| 23:04.13 | JustinP | Ken|JLime: or move away the 1.2.2 ipkg :;-] |
| 23:04.24 | Ken|JLime | JustinP, hehe :P |
| 23:05.00 | Ken|JLime | JustinP, where can i find ipkg-make-index, package, meta, class? |
| 23:05.20 | JustinP | part of an ipkg package, not sure which one |
| 23:06.25 | JustinP | Ken|JLime: ipkg-utils it looks like |
| 23:06.40 | Ken|JLime | oki, but looks like it will require patching the sourcecode then |
| 23:06.43 | Ken|JLime | will check it out |
| 23:07.34 | JustinP | yep |
| 23:13.46 | Ken|JLime | JustinP, I suck at reading python |
| 23:14.02 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: when OE is writable again would you change the /machine/poodle.conf |
| 23:14.08 | Greg2 | ROOT_FLASH_SIZE = ?32? changed to-> ?22? or ?20?? |
| 23:14.23 | Greg2 | or would you rather i put this in bugzilla? |
| 23:14.55 | CoreDump|home | the latter, so it will not be forgotten |
| 23:15.30 | Greg2 | CoreDump|home: ok, will do in the morning with notes |
| 23:16.17 | Greg2 | goodnight all |
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