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`00:32.06`	`zwelch`	`is anyone hosting/targeting OE builds on/to any BSDs?`
`00:36.54`	`CosmicPenguin`	`there has been BSD rumbling in the past but nothing solid`
`00:38.54`	`Kerwood_`	`zwelch: Magically everything is purring on my OE environment at home now, thanks to you`
`00:40.43`	`zwelch`	`Kerwood_: glad to hear it`
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`00:41.53`	`zwelch`	`CosmicPenguin: well, in ask about BSD and MinGW32, I'm probing the boundaries of the current implementation's realization of its design goals`
`00:42.15`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Bitbake itself can handle it`
`00:42.20`	`zwelch`	`certainly, these things ought to be possible... but they are definitely non-trivial endeavors`
`00:42.26`	`zwelch`	`yea, it's more of an OE thing`
`00:42.37`	`CosmicPenguin`	`the only question is how much work it will be to come up with the set of tools needed on BSD as well`
`00:42.41`	`zwelch`	`and really, at a certain point, a project for another metadata repo`
`00:42.49`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Well - at least a branch`
`00:42.57`	`zwelch`	`yeah, i guess that makes the most sense`
`00:43.19`	`emte`	`or basic protection flags to handle the host OS`
`00:43.54`	`zwelch`	`so, offhand, i am interested in the following branches: bsd, mingw32, and darwin`
`00:45.10`	`zwelch`	`bootstrapping is a bear though :)`
`00:46.36`	`zwelch`	`Kerwood_: incidentally, speaking of magic fixes... my problems with gtk+ have suddenly disappeared, although i think i updated my branch copy at some point before it started working again.... i'm not going to ask why, i'm just going to keep going and pretend it never broke in the first place`
`00:48.00`	`Kerwood_`	`Precisely so. There seem to be "non-technical" events going on...`
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`04:23.25`	`hvontres`	`does anybody use something other than xxdiff for 3-way merges in monotone?`
`04:23.37`	`NA\|Zzz`	`kdiff3 here`
`04:24.38`	`hvontres`	`thanks. I have had no luck getting xxdiff to compile on FC 4..:(`
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`04:32.39`	`CIA-9`	`03mwester 07org.oe.dev * ra9953622... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (3 files in 2 dirs): unslung-rootfs: rc.sysinit - empty win_share file on boot`
`04:34.58`	`hvontres`	`NA\|Zzz: Any hints on how to set it up?`
`04:35.37`	`NA\|Zzz`	`hvontres: apt-get install kdiff3 worked for me..`
`04:37.27`	`hvontres`	`NA\|Zzz: No, I mean is there anything you need to do to get monotone to use it?`
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`04:42.40`	`NA\|Zzz`	`hvontres: Hmm, not as far as I know, no`
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`06:54.12`	`hvontres`	`morning koen`
`06:59.33`	`koen`	`good morning all`
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`07:21.13`	`do13_`	`morning all`
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`07:35.05`	`koen`	`hey Dirk & _law_`
`07:39.59`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|afk: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/ is a bit outdated :)`
`07:40.06`	`hvontres`	`ping CoreDump\|afk`
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`07:43.55`	`XorA`	`morning`
`07:44.01`	`koen`	`hey XorA`
`07:44.12`	`XorA`	`what can I break today :-)`
`07:44.40`	`hvontres`	`XorA: Got Poodle?`
`07:46.19`	`XorA`	`hvontres: no`
`07:58.40`	`RP`	`morning all`
`08:00.37`	`koen`	`hey RP`
`08:01.00`	`XorA`	`hey RP`
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`08:09.00`	`tkp`	`morning`
`08:09.20`	`koen`	`hey tkp`
`08:09.21`	`tkp`	`do any of you guys know much about the oe python package?`
`08:09.32`	`koen`	`tkp: that'd be mickey\|zzZZzz :)`
`08:09.50`	`tkp`	`ah ok... he wrote it?`
`08:09.56`	`koen`	`yes`
`08:10.04`	`tkp`	`ook cool`
`08:10.10`	`koen`	`that's the PR = "ml<something>"`
`08:10.44`	`tkp`	`ah yes...: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer`
`08:11.15`	`tkp`	`I'm just a little confused about what it actually provides`
`08:11.25`	`tkp`	`it does: require python-${PV}-manifest.inc`
`08:11.39`	`tkp`	`and that manifest file sugest it provides a whole bunch of stuff`
`08:11.52`	`tkp`	`including python-logging`
`08:12.15`	`tkp`	`yet after installing it, I don't seem to actually hae python logging`
`08:12.43`	`tkp`	`perhaps I need to specify which of those I want to actually include`
`08:13.04`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: Did you actually install python-logging?`
`08:13.06`	`tkp`	`but bitbake python-logging is unrecognized`
`08:13.26`	`tkp`	`ERROR: Nothing provides dependency python-logging`
`08:13.47`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: When you build python it'll generate a python-logging package.`
`08:14.02`	`tkp`	`hmm. I built python already`
`08:14.16`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: But when you install you need to explicity request python-logging`
`08:14.27`	`tkp`	`oh ok`
`08:14.43`	`tkp`	`so I can't bitbake python-loggong standalone`
`08:14.54`	`tkp`	`but I can include it in RDEPENDS for my target?`
`08:15.04`	`koen`	`yes`
`08:15.08`	`tkp`	`ahhh..`
`08:15.09`	`tkp`	`cool`
`08:15.11`	`koen`	`s/yes/you should/`
`08:15.17`	`tkp`	`:)`
`08:15.17`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: No, because all the python things are related, they are just broken up so you don't have to build them all.`
`08:15.38`	`hvontres`	`RP: Morinig :)`
`08:15.40`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: Yeah, look at my ridff-backup .bb for an example - it RDEPENDS on several python modules.`
`08:15.54`	`tkp`	`v8jlene: ok, thanks`
`08:16.44`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: "build them all"? I actually meant "install them all"...`
`08:16.58`	`tkp`	`yeah, thought so!`
`08:17.30`	`tkp`	`v8jlene: where is this ridff-backup.bb ?`
`08:17.45`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: packages/rdiff-backup/rdiff-backup.inc`
`08:18.06`	`tkp`	`ah ok. not ridff-backup.bb then :)`
`08:18.17`	`hrw\|work`	`morning`
`08:19.00`	`XorA`	`hey hrw\|work`
`08:19.05`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: Yeah, just checking if you were awake ;)`
`08:19.11`	`tkp`	`;)`
`08:19.46`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gvim_7.0.bb`
`08:20.26`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: nice`
`08:20.27`	`tkp`	`so in specifying something like python-netclient, you automatically get the core too?`
`08:20.55`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: Depends: gtk+ (>= 2.8.9), libatk-1.0-0 (>= 1.10.1), pango (>= 1.13.2), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.0), libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libxrender1 (>= 0.9.1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8), libc6 (>= 2.4), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libz1 (>= 1.2.3), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.95), libxt6 (>= 1.0.2), ncurses (>= 5.4), libx11-6 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.1), libsm6 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.1), libice6 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.1)`
`08:21.19`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: but I have no idea how to handle it with RREPLACES/RCONFLICTS, etc`
`08:22.41`	`v8jlene`	`tkp: Yep. You'll also get all the things that python-netclient rdepends on if you rdepend on it.`
`08:22.53`	`tkp`	`cool`
`08:22.57`	`hrw\|work`	`http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/07/12/sound-support-for-poodle26/`
`08:24.38`	`kergoth`	`zwelch: ping`
`08:25.17`	`hvontres`	`hrw\|work: when do you think you or CoreDump might be able to build an opie image to test?`
`08:25.52`	`zwelch`	`kergoth: pong`
`08:26.40`	`hrw\|work`	`hvontres: maybe today`
`08:26.43`	`kergoth`	`zwelch: just curious as to whether you've made any progress wrt mingw32 & such`
`08:26.54`	`hvontres`	`hrw\|work:Woot :)`
`08:26.58`	`zwelch`	`kergoth: ummmm... what are you looking for? :)`
`08:27.19`	`hvontres`	`well, I am off to bed now :)`
`08:27.27`	`koen`	`hvontres: 'night`
`08:27.42`	`zwelch`	`and i'm just about to commit bb files for the last package to my tree`
`08:28.00`	`zwelch`	`well, all but the suite... and it'll be a bear, since it wraps all the others`
`08:28.49`	`zwelch`	`kergoth: honestly, i'd want some handholding to do it: someone experienced (like you) to answer all my stupid questions as they come up`
`08:29.41`	`kergoth`	`not me yet, i'm rusty :) getting back into oe after nearly a year absence`
`08:29.43`	`kergoth`	`but okay, makes sense`
`08:29.45`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`08:29.55`	`zwelch`	`and, to be blunt, i'd love to see some cash for the effort; i _am_ supposed to be making money by selling myself to do these things ;)`
`08:30.04`	`tkp`	`koen: you know what timezone mickey\|zzZZzz is in?/`
`08:30.16`	`koen`	`tkp: 10:30 AM`
`08:30.16`	`zwelch`	`however, i'm likely to whack at it on my own anyway, as is The Way`
`08:30.40`	`tkp`	`10:30 am.. little late to be zzZZzz !!`
`08:31.15`	`zwelch`	`honestly, the fact that i'm here and contributing is because i'm getting paid (a tiny bit) to accomplish the minisplat port`
`08:32.06`	`koen`	`should be include kergoth's bitbake vim stuff in our vim package?`
`08:32.28`	`zwelch`	`re faad2: it's a known bug w/ gcc 4.1.1: http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=457&forum=2`
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`08:33.02`	`zwelch`	`koen: if i pastebin a patch for that, can we skip the bugzilla step? :)`
`08:33.08`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * rda0a622f... 10/packages/vim/gvim_7.0.bb: vim: add a gtk2 gui version of 7.0, needs work`
`08:33.37`	`koen`	`zwelch: sure`
`08:34.00`	`koen`	`zwelch: bugzilla is purely their to to keep stuff from getting lost`
`08:34.04`	`zwelch`	`yeah`
`08:34.16`	`kergoth`	`1.08, where's /win 29`
`08:34.19`	`kergoth`	`bah`
`08:36.39`	`zecke`	`kergoth: hey`
`08:36.46`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`08:36.58`	`zecke`	`kergoth: I don't get what your saying. It must be too hot :)`
`08:37.03`	`kergoth`	`hrm, i forgot to set up that dns change for the oz feeds, didnt i`
`08:37.30`	`kergoth`	`hehe. still adjusting to the new work schedule. 8 hour time difference is a bit much, staying up till 6am every night now`
`08:37.35`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`08:39.48`	`kergoth`	`hmm, autoconf 2.60? time to check its changelog`
`08:40.27`	`koen`	`any bets on how many projects will break with 2.60?`
`08:40.50`	`XorA`	`koen: does gvim also work on terminal?`
`08:41.24`	`koen`	`XorA: it has the same binary name, so I sure hope so`
`08:41.40`	`hrw\|work`	`XorA: it does`
`08:42.53`	`koen`	`~lart rmk patch tracker`
`08:43.01`	`koen`	`ibot: botsnack`
`08:43.01`	`ibot`	`aw, gee, koen`
`08:47.30`	`XorA`	`hrw\|work: cool, so gvim is a total replacement`
`08:49.39`	`kergoth`	`XorA: gvim is vim with graphical mode support.`
`08:49.59`	`zecke`	`XorA: gvim == vim -g`
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`08:55.12`	`XorA`	`~lart crackberry`
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`08:58.31`	`m4gnet`	`zecke: sounds like gui for vim is not in oz.`
`08:59.02`	`XorA`	`cant wait for a good linux based push email system for all those addicts`
`09:00.21`	`kergoth`	`"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."`
`09:00.50`	`zwelch`	`koen: http://rafb.net/paste/results/DMsq0F36.html`
`09:01.03`	`zwelch`	`fixes me bug`
`09:01.26`	`zwelch`	`although now that i think about it, i guess it didn't deserve the PR bump`
`09:04.09`	`koen`	`patch unexpectedly ends in middle of lineHunk #1 FAILED at 1.`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r7f1dd72d... 10/packages/dosfstools/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`dosfstools/dosfstools-native 2.10: Fix for lib headers which don't pull in`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`the types that dosfstools expects such as those provided with Fedora Core 4`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`and 5. The mkdsofs.c program is using types of the style __u8 which it`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`implictly gets via an include of linux/hdreg.h with some version of libc`
`09:05.18`	`CIA-9`	`headers. Explicity include linux/types.h to ensure we get those defines`
`09:05.20`	`CIA-9`	`directly. Resolves bug #1155.`
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`09:20.39`	`zecke`	`mickey\|zzZZzz: lol. I just tried Qtopia 2.2.0 and their Qt is named libqt.so`
`09:21.13`	`zecke`	`mickey\|zzZZzz: anyway we germans overengineer. Randonly chaging the SO name is what customers demand`
`09:21.35`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`09:23.19`	`zecke`	`because on any Linux distri != debian oldstable`
`09:23.29`	`zecke`	`the gcc will not allow some of the code...`
`09:25.39`	`hrw\|work`	`~lart tk`
`09:33.31`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbee08e33... 10/packages/angstrom/task-angstrom.bb: task-angstrom: ship module tools`
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`09:40.10`	`koen`	`hey woglinde`
`09:40.14`	`Crofton`	`kergoth, up late, or early?`
`09:40.36`	`kergoth`	`late`
`09:40.40`	`Crofton`	`heh`
`09:40.56`	`Crofton`	`I'm back from a week in Italy, so I am up early`
`09:40.58`	`kergoth`	`working for openedhand now. 8 hour time diff. have to be up late to ensure some overlap`
`09:41.02`	`woglinde`	`he koen`
`09:41.03`	`kergoth`	`ah thats cool, how was the trip?`
`09:41.11`	`Crofton`	`very cool`
`09:41.31`	`Crofton`	`no longer working for the guys you were working with?`
`09:42.20`	`kergoth`	`had enough of the red tape and lack of hardware and everything else that interfered with actually doing work... plus i'm working from home now, which is nice`
`09:42.21`	`woglinde`	`kergoth hm`
`09:42.29`	`Crofton`	`yeah`
`09:43.12`	`kergoth`	`just need to ensure i keep myself discliplined about it, or i'll get lax and end up with a fucked up sleep schedule or something :)`
`09:43.16`	`Crofton`	`Will you stay in Phoenix?`
`09:43.22`	`Crofton`	`yeah`
`09:43.39`	`kergoth`	`staying in phoenix for probably a year or so, then we'll see`
`09:43.48`	`kergoth`	`not used to having the ability to actually decide where to live`
`09:43.52`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`09:43.56`	`Crofton`	`cool`
`09:44.28`	`Crofton`	`wtf is open hands url?`
`09:44.43`	`kergoth`	`openedhand.com`
`09:44.47`	`koen`	`o-hand.com`
`09:45.10`	`Laibsch`	`kergoth: talking about fucked up sleeping schedule. What time is it at your place now ;-)`
`09:45.29`	`Crofton`	`3:45`
`09:45.36`	`Crofton`	`wait`
`09:45.55`	`Crofton`	`2:45`
`09:46.20`	`Crofton`	`They don't do daylight savings time`
`09:46.39`	`Crofton`	`becasue they want to up b4 the sun so they can go outside in summer :)`
`09:46.41`	`kergoth`	`yeah, we're the same as pacific right now. which is weird`
`09:46.47`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`09:47.26`	`Crofton`	`I love the oh descriptions of people in their position ads`
`09:47.35`	`Crofton`	`Professional, polite and presentable person.`
`09:47.47`	`Crofton`	`Generally nice and well rounded person.`
`09:51.33`	`zecke`	`so o-hand has 2x chris?`
`09:52.28`	`woglinde`	`he zecke`
`09:52.30`	`kergoth`	`yeah, but i dont think anyone thinks of me as chris. i'm kergoth@o-hand.com`
`09:52.33`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`09:52.39`	`Crofton`	`heh`
`09:52.59`	`Crofton`	`do they call you kergoth in tele conferences?`
`09:53.07`	`kergoth`	`havent had one yet`
`09:53.17`	`kergoth`	`tim used to call me kergoth in our meetings at ti, confused people`
`09:53.45`	`zecke`	`kergoth: how is tim doing? is he still at TI?`
`09:54.01`	`kergoth`	`nope, he's elsewhere`
`09:54.14`	`kergoth`	`oddly enough, he's now working on huge clusters of machines`
`09:54.18`	`kergoth`	`talk about a switch from embedded :)`
`09:54.37`	`zecke`	`huge clusters of machines of small embedded nodes`
`09:54.46`	`zecke`	`composed of...`
`09:55.22`	`kergoth`	`naw, not embedded`
`09:55.33`	`Crofton`	`zecke, I really hate xerces-c :)`
`09:55.53`	`zecke`	`Crofton: hehe, I remembered so I didn't ask you if the fix was okay`
`09:56.03`	`Crofton`	`I was on vacatoin anyway`
`09:56.06`	`zecke`	`Crofton: I hope you are fine with the change`
`09:56.22`	`Crofton`	`It looks like a bertter way of fixing the runConfigure stupity`
`09:56.55`	`zecke`	`Crofton: only it will fail with 64bit cpus`
`09:57.03`	`Crofton`	`hmm`
`09:57.20`	`Crofton`	`your fix?`
`09:57.22`	`zecke`	`it would have failed before as well`
`09:57.36`	`zecke`	`Crofton: it defaults to BITSTOBUILD=32 (what a stupid name)`
`09:57.51`	`zecke`	`Crofton: and they use autoconf as a portable version of sed`
`09:57.54`	`Crofton`	`ah, the executables fail for 64 bit machines?`
`09:58.12`	`zecke`	`Crofton: I don't know, I have nothing with 64 bits`
`09:58.26`	`Crofton`	`I use a 64 bit to build stuff on`
`09:58.37`	`Crofton`	`but I haven't actually run xerces on it`
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`10:03.40`	`woglinde`	`hu`
`10:03.46`	`woglinde`	`someone new from the fu`
`10:03.49`	`petn-randall`	`~seen CoreDump\|afk`
`10:03.52`	`ibot`	`coredump\|afk is currently on #gpe (1d 4h 8m 23s) #oe (1d 4h 8m 23s) #openzaurus (1d 4h 8m 23s), last said: 'hrw\|gone: I belive you have forgotten to push pld-onlyarm5.patch for mplayer ;)'.`
`10:04.29`	`woglinde`	`hm???`
`10:06.40`	`woglinde`	`hi mickeyl`
`10:07.52`	`mickeyl`	`morning folks`
`10:08.18`	`mickeyl`	`koen: thanks for explaining. you're a pretty good python assistant by now :D`
`10:09.40`	`koen`	`:)`
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`10:11.23`	`mickeyl`	`RP: ping`
`10:11.26`	`mithro`	`hey woglinde`
`10:12.31`	`mickeyl`	`RP: you're going to enable the collie/poodle buzzer as a standard audio device like we did in OZ 3.3 ?`
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`10:19.26`	`Laibsch`	`koen: In case you are interested, my compilation problems seem to have originated from some left-over cruft in $PATH pointing to the old mount point of OE. Sometimes there is a benefit in restarting (or closing a terminal after more than a week) as that gets rid of the cruft ;-)`
`10:20.00`	`woglinde`	`lol`
`10:20.39`	`mickeyl`	`Laibsch: d'oh :)`
`10:22.04`	`mickeyl`	`~seen pb_`
`10:22.10`	`ibot`	`pb_ <n=pb@cpc1-cmbg6-0-0-cust434.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 13h 46m 12s ago, saying: 'hi kergoth, zecke'.`
`10:22.32`	`mickeyl`	`koen: aren't there ipaq platforms using the HTC bootloader to boot directly into Linux?`
`10:22.51`	`koen`	`mickeyl: depends`
`10:23.19`	`koen`	`mickeyl: hx4700 and h2200 replace the second stage loader with bootldr and LAB`
`10:23.56`	`koen`	`the older ones use bootldr as first stage`
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`10:26.39`	`mickeyl`	`i see`
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`10:26.58`	`mickeyl`	`can they dual boot into wince?`
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`10:28.47`	`koen`	`mickeyl: probably not`
`10:29.00`	`koen`	`mickeyl: iirc the bootloader handles suspend/resume`
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`10:37.29`	`pat`	`Hello! Anybody knows if its possible to tell bitbake that if a library updates it should recompile the packages that depend on that library?`
`10:38.21`	`mickeyl`	`unfortunately not`
`10:38.28`	`mickeyl`	`such a feature would be accepted :)`
`10:38.50`	`mickeyl`	`could you add it to the bugtracker against bitbake?`
`10:38.59`	`mickeyl`	`shouldn't be that hard`
`10:41.03`	`pat`	`ok. that sucks.`
`10:41.08`	`pat`	`thank you :)`
`10:41.54`	`mickeyl`	`np`
`10:42.13`	`mickeyl`	`koen: the #htc-linux folks are talking about replacing the HTC bootloader`
`10:42.22`	`mickeyl`	`koen: and i'm not sure whether this is wise.`
`10:42.37`	`koen`	`mickeyl: the first stage or second stage?`
`10:42.38`	`mickeyl`	`koen: if they can get the HTC to cooperate w/ linux, it'd be better`
`10:42.42`	`mickeyl`	`koen: no idea actually`
`10:42.57`	`koen`	`first stage -> brick me`
`10:42.58`	`mickeyl`	`<cr2> the RamdiskRescue looks good. now we only need a "haretless" bootloader.`
`10:43.02`	`zecke`	`lpotter: why did you guys though putting libqte.so into QTDIR is lame?`
`10:43.36`	`koen`	`mickeyl: keep in mind that htc has a zillion different bootloaders`
`10:44.14`	`tkp`	`anyone fancy updating the libxslt package to 1.1.9? :)`
`10:44.26`	`zecke`	`tkp: try :)`
`10:46.38`	`koen`	`mickeyl: macbook pro?`
`10:46.52`	`mickeyl`	`koen: no, i promised to order this not until i've submitted the thesis`
`10:47.04`	`mickeyl`	`I ebayed a used HTC universal`
`10:47.08`	`zecke`	`mickeyl: admit it. You have a rich wife?`
`10:47.09`	`zecke`	`lol`
`10:47.28`	`koen`	`mickeyl: ah, another donation ;)`
`10:47.40`	`mickeyl`	`koen: cough exactly`
`10:47.52`	`mickeyl`	`zecke: not really. and I'm living a bit over my budget in the last year.`
`10:49.32`	`tkp`	`ohh... that was quite painless`
`10:49.35`	`koen`	`aaargh`
`10:49.47`	`tkp`	`I have no idea if it works`
`10:49.49`	`koen`	`somehow I managed to compile busybox in a way that ipkg doesn't work`
`10:50.10`	`tkp`	`just literally copied the file changed the version number and updated the url`
`10:51.32`	`zecke`	`tkp: Grand Unified Unit Testing is on my master plan`
`10:51.46`	`zecke`	`tkp: then we would know this upgrade didn't show any regressions`
`10:54.16`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8f9357c4... 10/conf/distro/ (angstrom-2006.9.conf angstrom.conf): angstrom: remove some stray slashes from the feeds URIs`
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`11:09.37`	`tkp`	`mickeyl: ever looked at getting a package together for libxml2-python?`
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`11:12.44`	`mickeyl`	`no, what's that?`
`11:13.04`	`tkp`	`python bindings for libxml2`
`11:13.22`	`mickeyl`	`is that better than a) the built-in xml package and b) pyxml?`
`11:13.35`	`tkp`	`tbh, I don't know...`
`11:13.42`	`mickeyl`	`shrug`
`11:13.45`	`tkp`	`but a package I'm trying to install requires it`
`11:13.55`	`tkp`	`(kaa canvas)`
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`11:14.25`	`hrw\|work`	`power outages suxx`
`11:14.29`	`tkp`	`gtg`
`11:14.30`	`mickeyl`	`indeed`
`11:14.34`	`mickeyl`	`l8er tkp`
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`11:25.40`	`koen`	`but why did I choose my c700 to install it on?`
`11:25.52`	`XorA`	`koen: coz your a muppet`
`11:26.28`	`koen`	`that must be it`
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`11:30.43`	`mickeyl`	`tkp: there is no libxml2-python 2.6.22 out. 2.6.21 doesn't compile vs. 2.6.21, looks like we need to wait for it to appear`
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`11:32.52`	`TEMI`	`Hi all`
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`11:35.05`	`TEMic`	`Hi all`
`11:36.20`	`TEMic`	`I have a problem with the alsa-utils* packages. Can anybody help me please?`
`11:36.38`	`hrw\|work`	`TEMic: details?`
`11:37.52`	`TEMic`	`i build my distro for a geodelx board and i'm using the geodelx alsa sound driver. when i include the alsa-utils* e.g. speaker-test, it does a segmentation fault`
`11:38.40`	`koen`	`TEMic: gcc 4.1.x?`
`11:38.41`	`TEMic`	`sorry, it does the seg. fault when i try to run it.`
`11:38.48`	`TEMic`	`gcc 3.4.4`
`11:38.54`	`koen`	`ah`
`11:39.07`	`EricCartman`	`hmm isn't dlopen and friends available in uClinux ?`
`11:39.12`	`koen`	`if you had gcc 4.1.x you would have needed to compile it with -O1`
`11:39.37`	`EricCartman`	`compiling qtopia-core fails when trying to link executables against -ldl, it does not exist`
`11:40.14`	`TEMic`	`it seems to bee a problem with a library`
`11:42.21`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: don't try Qtopia Core`
`11:42.25`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: it is unlikely to work`
`11:42.40`	`EricCartman`	`because ?`
`11:43.03`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: because even the upstream releases do not compile`
`11:43.15`	`EricCartman`	`it compiled the lib`
`11:43.25`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: and I doubt that it has been tested on any ARM, PPC, MIPS board`
`11:43.36`	`EricCartman`	`and that doesn't make any sense, why would trolltech release a broken product`
`11:44.02`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: why would Trolltech not release Qtopia Platform GPL`
`11:44.10`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: It doesn't make sense, still they do`
`11:44.33`	`TEMic`	`koen?`
`11:44.46`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: even if you get it to compile, TouchScreen, Keyboard etc. will be likely to be broken`
`11:45.25`	`EricCartman`	`back to my question, is it anyones knowledge if uClinux does support dlopen or not ? apparently there's no libdl.[a\|so] for it in uClibc/lib folder but it's an essential part, how come ?`
`11:45.44`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: dlopen should work`
`11:45.51`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: check your uclibc .conf file`
`11:46.04`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: and eventually it doesn't need libdl for dlopen?`
`11:46.27`	`EricCartman`	`qmake generated -ldl paramter for linker`
`11:46.35`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: http://www.uclibc.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/uClibc/test/dlopen/`
`11:46.36`	`EricCartman`	`that's the way on regular linux pc`
`11:46.48`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: qmake ain't autoconf, nor cmake`
`11:46.57`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: so fix the QMAKESPEC for uclibc?`
`11:47.07`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7bd820c4... 10/packages/bitbake/bitbake_1.4.2.bb: bitbake: update to 1.4.2`
`11:47.11`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: oh well`
`11:47.22`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: it looks like uclibc has libdl`
`11:47.38`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: I would suggest to look at your .config file to see if it is disabled`
`11:47.50`	`zecke`	`I'm just curious: What do you try to do with QtopiaCore?`
`11:48.06`	`EricCartman`	`engin@bzzzt-dell:~/embedded/uClinux-dist/uClibc/extra/Configs$ grep -i dl Config.bfin*`
`11:48.09`	`EricCartman`	`yields nothing`
`11:48.33`	`EricCartman`	`I'm looking for possibilities that I can use for a project`
`11:50.12`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: I don't want to black mail QtopiaCore. But to get it working, more than compiling is needed`
`11:51.26`	`mickeyl`	`there is a reason why it isn't in OE`
`11:51.34`	`mickeyl`	`it was in once`
`11:51.45`	`mickeyl`	`but i had to patch the guts out of it`
`11:52.04`	`mickeyl`	`then i found it lacking drivers everywhere`
`11:52.16`	`mickeyl`	`drivers which we had submitted to TT ages ago`
`11:52.17`	`zecke`	`no doubt QtopiaCore is promising, but there is plenty to do`
`11:52.36`	`hrw\|work`	`looks like getting QtopiaCore4 working need purchasing license from TT and it does not give any warranty that it will build/work`
`11:52.45`	`zecke`	`and as mickeyl pointed out, it is unlikely that any sort of patch will flow back to Trolltech`
`11:52.51`	`EricCartman`	`I have evaluation license`
`11:52.52`	`zecke`	`so Qtopia* is very unlike Qt`
`11:53.28`	`EricCartman`	`well, that is why there's evaluation`
`11:53.29`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: oh well, they might release working versions to possible paying customers`
`11:54.45`	`hrw\|work`	`mickeyl, RP, do13: I will add 2.6.17 into .oz354x (def_pref=-1)`
`11:55.17`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|work: good`
`11:55.32`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: okay, I just checked. uclibc has dlopen code`
`11:55.43`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: check if dlopen symbols are in your library`
`11:57.25`	`hrw\|work`	`mickeyl, RP, do13: what do you think about making 2.6.17 default/2.6 for tosa/poodle/collie? those machines does not get any release with 2.6.16 so it does not change anything for them`
`11:58.05`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: you could bump it up to 3.5.4.2 and make it default for all machines :)`
`11:58.27`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hrw\|work: good plan`
`11:58.50`	`EricCartman`	`zecke: there's no libdl, you mean it's supposed to be embedded in libc or something ?`
`11:59.04`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: in the source tree there ldso/libdl`
`11:59.14`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: 2.6.17 is something which I want to leave for those who know how to use bitbake`
`11:59.17`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: it could be embedded, use nm to see if you see a symbol`
`11:59.32`	`EricCartman`	`already did`
`11:59.33`	`EricCartman`	`it's not there`
`11:59.45`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: then change your uclibc config`
`12:00.36`	`EricCartman`	`what's the related parameter`
`12:00.36`	`zecke`	`e.g. have you shared library support turned on?`
`12:00.42`	`zecke`	`dunno`
`12:00.48`	`EricCartman`	`and how did I build tons of stuff without dlopen in the first place`
`12:01.07`	`zecke`	`build includes 'linking'`
`12:01.13`	`zecke`	`?`
`12:01.23`	`zecke`	`need to find some food`
`12:01.23`	`EricCartman`	`of course`
`12:01.36`	`zecke`	`it didn't use dlopen then`
`12:01.44`	`zecke`	`or at least didn't specify -ldl`
`12:02.01`	`EricCartman`	`without -ldl it gives unresolved symbol errors for dlopen and friends`
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`12:02.51`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: well, enable Shared Library support in uclibc?`
`12:03.24`	`hrw\|work`	`CIA-9: ping`
`12:03.37`	`CIA-9`	`03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4d517470... 10/packages/python/python-pyephem_3.7b.bb: python-pyephem: added 3.7b from .dev`
`12:03.41`	`CIA-9`	`03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4ad555d2... 10/packages/linux/ (19 files in 3 dirs): linux-openzaurus: added 2.6.17 (not default)`
`12:04.04`	`mickey\|thesis`	`CIA-9: p�ng`
`12:04.19`	`EricCartman`	`zecke: uhmm I'm not sure which config I have used... but there's Config.bfin.default with HAVE_NO_SHARED=y`
`12:04.48`	`EricCartman`	`btw, isn't there dlopen in Qt3 ? I've compiled Qt 3.2 embedded with this toolchain and run examples on the board`
`12:05.18`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: that depends on your config, I guess`
`12:05.19`	`mickey\|thesis`	`no`
`12:05.26`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: QCOM should use dlopen`
`12:05.38`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: but if QCOM/QLibrary was compiled, I can't tell`
`12:05.51`	`EricCartman`	`qcom in Qt 3.2 ?`
`12:06.10`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r188d7346... 10/packages/libxslt/ (libxslt_1.1.8.bb libxslt_1.1.7.bb libxslt_1.1.12.bb): libxslt add 1.1.2, remove 1.1.7, remove 1.1.8`
`12:06.15`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc691913c... 10/packages/libxml/ (4 files): libxml2: bring 2.6.22 up to modern standards, remove 2.6.7, 2.6.9, 2.6.10`
`12:06.19`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r87830c48... 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add python-lxml, a set of Pythonic bindings for the libxml2 and libxslt libraries.`
`12:06.35`	`EricCartman`	`3.3.5 btw, not 3.2`
`12:07.01`	`TEMic`	`koen: do you have an idea about the alsa problem?`
`12:07.10`	`zecke`	`mickey\|thesis: why remove version 1.1,7 and 1.1.8 abd add 1.1.2?`
`12:07.14`	`koen`	`TEMic: no idea, sorry`
`12:07.21`	`mickey\|thesis`	`zecke: mmh... typo, sorry :/`
`12:07.27`	`mickey\|thesis`	`1.1.12`
`12:07.28`	`koen`	`TEMic: try asking lpotter, he maintains the also stuff`
`12:07.30`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: trial the TT first level support`
`12:07.44`	`TEMic`	`ok, thanx. :-(`
`12:07.47`	`koen`	`s/also/alsa/`
`12:07.53`	`EricCartman`	`zecke: actually, good idea`
`12:08.22`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: I expect they will say "Works here" or "uclibc is not supported"`
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`12:09.33`	`mickey\|thesis`	`TEMic: i recommend using gdb and strace to get more information about the SIGSEGV`
`12:10.33`	`TEMic`	`mickey\|thesis: gdb shows an error in libpthread`
`12:10.50`	`mickey\|thesis`	`sounds like you should take this up with upstream`
`12:10.51`	`EricCartman`	`zecke: well, I should first figure this dlopen thing out`
`12:12.29`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: findout when libdl gets build`
`12:12.45`	`zecke`	`EricCartman: I think it will be build when libso gets built`
`12:14.14`	`TEMic`	`whats upstream?`
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`12:15.54`	`mr_nice_slacker`	`hi all`
`12:16.00`	`TEMic`	`when i run it on my development machine with its libs, alsamixer and speaker-test are running. chrooting to rootfs and using the target libs crashes both apps`
`12:16.21`	`pH5`	`gdb 6.4 works with eabi. whom can I ask to have a look at the uclibc patch to update it if it's still needed?`
`12:17.29`	`mickey\|thesis`	`TEMic: upstream means "the guys who actually wrote it"`
`12:17.54`	`mr_nice_slacker`	`how to do a feature request?`
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`12:19.06`	`TEMic`	`ah ok`
`12:20.20`	`mr_nice_slacker`	`or where to do a feature request - right here?`
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`12:28.41`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9d666f4a... 10/packages/alsa/ (9 files): alsa: remove wrong MAINTAINER`
`12:29.34`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r56a0dbda... 10/packages/python/python-lxml_1.0.2.bb: python-lxml 1.0.2 add DEPENDS`
`12:29.37`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r5029b708... 10/packages/alsa/ (13 files): alsa: add HOMEPAGE, remove 1.0.8 and 1.0.10, mark alsa-driver as BROKEN`
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`12:31.21`	`hrw\|work`	`mr_nice_slacker: bugtracker`
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`13:13.40`	`chouimat`	`morning`
`13:13.56`	`koen`	`hey chouimat`
`13:14.19`	`hrw\|work`	`hi chouimat`
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`13:24.43`	`hrw\|work`	`'Contact form' - how it will be in deutsch?`
`13:26.17`	`_law_`	`hhhcz, Kontakt Formular`
`13:26.27`	`_law_`	`hrw\|work, Kontakt Formular`
`13:26.43`	`hrw\|work`	`thx`
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`13:31.46`	`zecke`	`_law_: is it one word or two?`
`13:32.20`	`zecke`	`aynway`
`13:36.37`	`TEMic`	`oops, now i have an other problem`
`13:37.01`	`TEMic`	`my glibc-2.3.5 broke with Assembler messages`
`13:37.15`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r84570769... 10/packages/qte/qte-common_2.3.10.inc: qte all reenable RTTI, must have been lost during a merge`
`13:37.53`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8b41db42... 10/packages/konqueror/ (4 files in 3 dirs): konqueror 20060404 add gcc4 patch, remove 20050322`
`13:38.20`	`mickey\|thesis`	`goxboxlive: that should be it`
`13:38.28`	`TEMic`	`symbol definition loop encountered at '__divdi3_internal'`
`13:38.48`	`goxboxlive`	`thx mickey`
`13:39.43`	`TEMic`	`it happend after updateing my oe.db`
`13:40.53`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: how goes konqueror integration?`
`13:41.13`	`TEMic`	`how can i solve this error?`
`13:42.02`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hrw\|work: no time to improve, still two issues left. a) need to remove the hard-coded Helvetica b) need to use OPIEDIR as KDEDIR on startup`
`13:42.31`	`hrw\|work`	`ok`
`13:42.49`	`mickey\|thesis`	`probably just 2 hours of focused work...`
`13:42.54`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: how goes thesis? much left?`
`13:43.58`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hrw\|work: only small steps. i now hope to be able to get it accepted by supervisor in August and submit in September. Not sure on these dates though :/`
`13:44.19`	`mickey\|thesis`	`the last chapter took me much longer than expected`
`13:44.24`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: happens`
`13:44.25`	`mickey\|thesis`	`and it's still not finished`
`13:44.27`	`mickey\|thesis`	`nod`
`13:44.37`	`zecke`	`mickey\|thesis: happens, I know you will succeed`
`13:44.45`	`mickey\|thesis`	`my fault anyway. it was the hardest. i should've started with the hardest, not with the easiest`
`13:44.47`	`mickey\|thesis`	`zecke: :)`
`13:44.47`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: I do a website now - planned to end it in last friday`
`13:46.24`	`mickey\|thesis`	`i'm glad i don't run a company. my time estimates are horribly. need to improve those.`
`13:47.12`	`zecke`	`mickey\|thesis: oh well...`
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`13:58.03`	`XorA`	`TEMic: you need binutils 2.16.X not 2.17`
`13:59.12`	`mickey\|thesis`	`#1163`
`14:02.12`	`Kerwood`	`TEMic: you should include something like the following line in your local.conf: PREFERRED_VERSION_binutils-cross = "2.16"`
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`14:05.43`	`goxboxlive`	`mickey\|thesis : still some bugs: Qte-mt compiled just fine, but not konq/E http://pastebin.ca/86056`
`14:06.29`	`mickey\|thesis`	`strange. it works here`
`14:06.38`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
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`14:08.58`	`mikearthur`	`I'm having some dependency grief`
`14:09.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickey\|thesis: hey, that's not the real Konqueror, is it?`
`14:09.14`	`mikearthur`	`RROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap-unionroot:`
`14:09.14`	`mickey\|thesis`	`define "real"`
`14:09.24`	`mikearthur`	`tinylogin modutils-initscripts linux-hotplug angstrom-version coreutils dropbear ipkg-collateral ipkg-link modutils-depmod unionfs-modules unionfs-utils unionroot unionroot-utils`
`14:09.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickey\|thesis: not some ancient crap dubbed "Embedded"`
`14:09.38`	`mickey\|thesis`	`mikearthur: add PREFERRED_PROVIDERS_task-bootstrap = "task-bootstrap"`
`14:09.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickey\|thesis: the browser that beats FireFox`
`14:09.59`	`mickey\|thesis`	`Luke-Jr: it is a new embedded port of konqueror 3.x`
`14:10.01`	`hrw\|work`	`Luke-Jr: Firefox you mean?`
`14:10.06`	`mickey\|thesis`	`dunno whether that qualifies as "real" for you`
`14:10.13`	`mikearthur`	`mickey\|thesis: to where?`
`14:10.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickey\|thesis: hm, does it suck like the old one? =p`
`14:10.21`	`mickey\|thesis`	`mikearthur: some .conf`
`14:10.24`	`mickey\|thesis`	`Luke-Jr: no`
`14:10.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`nice`
`14:10.36`	`mikearthur`	`lol`
`14:11.01`	`mickey\|thesis`	`local., $DISTRO, site. ... whereever you like`
`14:11.03`	`XorA`	`mikearthur: conf/local.conf for easiness`
`14:11.21`	`Luke-Jr`	`is there a Qt/X11 image-bb in OE? :)`
`14:11.26`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: so.. you fancy trying to get these python xml bindings into oe? :p`
`14:11.28`	`mikearthur`	`n1, cheers`
`14:11.53`	`mickey\|thesis`	`tkp: i tried. they don't compile. libxml2 is one version ahead of the python bindings`
`14:12.03`	`tkp`	`hmm`
`14:12.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`tkp: especially for OE, I imagine libffi would do better than bindings`
`14:12.05`	`mickey\|thesis`	`which means we'll wait for the matching release`
`14:12.19`	`tkp`	`darn :(`
`14:12.21`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: #1162 - can you look?`
`14:12.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`presuming libffi supports the CPU you use`
`14:13.12`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hrw\|work: that needs fixing in opie i'm afraid`
`14:13.41`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: or hardcode in opie-i18n probably`
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`14:14.05`	`jkp`	`mickey\|thesis: does pyxml work?`
`14:14.16`	`mickey\|thesis`	`jkp: sure.`
`14:14.27`	`mickey\|thesis`	`i've also added python-lxml today`
`14:14.33`	`mickey\|thesis`	`which is a different binding to libxml2`
`14:14.36`	`jkp`	`which do you prefer?`
`14:14.38`	`jkp`	`ah - ok`
`14:14.42`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: nice... I just did that too :)`
`14:14.43`	`mickey\|thesis`	`pyxml because I know it`
`14:14.46`	`jkp`	`we are using kaa - do you know that?`
`14:14.53`	`mickey\|thesis`	`no, that's new to me`
`14:14.56`	`jkp`	`kaa uses libxml2 by default`
`14:15.29`	`jkp`	`i dont know pythonwell, how do you do the equivilent of #ifdef'ing in python?`
`14:15.38`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: http://urandom.ca/mebox/canvas/`
`14:15.57`	`mickey\|thesis`	`you could do`
`14:15.58`	`mickey\|thesis`	`try:`
`14:16.01`	`mickey\|thesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:16.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`jkp: if false: ?`
`14:16.07`	`mickey\|thesis`	`except ImporError:`
`14:16.12`	`jkp`	`ahhh`
`14:16.13`	`mickey\|thesis`	`import bar`
`14:16.13`	`jkp`	`ok :)`
`14:16.27`	`jkp`	`what if you wanted to conditionally disable something?`
`14:16.33`	`RP`	`mickey\|thesis: I'd not thought about the buzzer on collie/poodle. Is it that useful?`
`14:16.33`	`jkp`	`i guess that would work`
`14:16.35`	`Luke-Jr`	`wrap it in """`
`14:16.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh, conditionally`
`14:16.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`then 'if' =p`
`14:16.50`	`jkp`	`coz it wouldnt hit the code at all if you had a bool protecting it`
`14:17.08`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: I'm fine with a 2.6.17 kernel for 3.5.4.2 for all models. Its certainly fine for tosa/collie/poodle for now`
`14:17.13`	`mickey\|thesis`	`RP: the quality sucks, but having a full loudspeaker is always better than the arbitrary restriction to 4 presampled sounds (which suck as well)`
`14:17.21`	`jkp`	`yeah, im used to thinking in C where you couldnt compile it at all if the library wasnt included`
`14:17.24`	`mickey\|thesis`	`RP: so in other words... yes, please :)`
`14:17.53`	`RP`	`mickey\|thesis: Is this the speaker connected to the amp off the wm8731 or something else?`
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`14:18.16`	`RP`	`mickey\|thesis: I'm certainly not planning presampled sounds :)`
`14:18.21`	`mickey\|thesis`	`RP: i have no idea. but i have something better... a patch, albeit against 2.4.18`
`14:18.42`	`mickey\|thesis`	`RP: sound-2.4.18r2.patch`
`14:18.54`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: tc35143af is audio iirc`
`14:19.07`	`mickey\|thesis`	`in packages/linux/openzaurus-sa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509`
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`14:21.29`	`do13_`	`hrw\|work: tc35143af is audio used in collie`
`14:21.53`	`RP`	`mickey\|thesis: I'm not sure poodle has this hardware?`
`14:22.19`	`mickey\|thesis`	`RP: oh, ok. i have never seen one, sorry :)`
`14:22.29`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: poodle was improved when it comes to sound rather`
`14:22.37`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: you will see`
`14:22.41`	`mickey\|thesis`	`ya ;)`
`14:22.55`	`hrw\|work`	`mickey\|thesis: poodle gather dust near collie`
`14:23.01`	`RP`	`poodle is very like corgi but wil an inbuilt mic`
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`14:23.30`	`RP`	`I do remember some buzzer driver for the pxas but I can't remember the specifics...`
`14:24.19`	`RP`	`Right, poodle emulated the buzzer but passed the data to the wm8731`
`14:24.32`	`RP`	`So we don't care about that as its a userspace issue under 2.6 :)`
`14:24.39`	`mickey\|thesis`	`righto`
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`14:30.33`	`Luke-Jr`	`um`
`14:30.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`just FYI, that article on the GPL's source distribution requirement isn't 100% accurate`
`14:31.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`Part 3c applies`
`14:32.28`	`Luke-Jr`	`"c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)"`
`14:33.20`	`Luke-Jr`	`(obviously there's limited application, but it is relevant)`
`14:33.37`	`zecke`	`Luke-Jr: please propose a better phrasing`
`14:34.07`	`TEMic`	`:-)) works! Thankx`
`14:34.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`zecke: well, in the case of the example, provided MEPIS are not building their own packages, but using Debian's, they need only include Debian's offer for source`
`14:34.37`	`zecke`	`Luke-Jr: I have never seen such offer from Debian :}`
`14:34.55`	`zecke`	`(just out of interest) where is this debian offer?`
`14:35.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`so is Debian in violation? Their binaries don't include source code`
`14:35.36`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: the source is beside the binary on the ftp site`
`14:35.43`	`JustinP`	`don't they have "source debs"?`
`14:35.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`thus an implicit offer for the source code`
`14:35.52`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: so supplied on the same medium`
`14:36.06`	`zecke`	`ah okay`
`14:36.11`	`zecke`	`this GPL makes me nuts :)`
`14:36.48`	`Kerwood`	`TEMic: Thank XorA and zwelch -- they figured it out`
`14:37.59`	`jkp`	`hey guys`
`14:38.03`	`XorA`	`3a) is what debian does, but its a suckilly written clause`
`14:38.23`	`jkp`	`ive jujst been having second thoughs about our hardware strategy`
`14:38.38`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh well`
`14:38.54`	`jkp`	`i was wondering if you guys have any recommendations of boards or suppliers for embedded systems?`
`14:38.59`	`XorA`	`3a would be met by supplyuing the software printed in a book`
`14:39.09`	`jkp`	`we're doing a STB remember`
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`14:39.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`either way, how is it not compliance to link to sources off-site?`
`14:39.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`provided that link remains valid`
`14:39.45`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: thats not accompanying`
`14:39.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`3a doesn't say it needs to be on the same medium as the binaries-- it says it needs to be on a customary medium`
`14:40.33`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * r94291eae... 10/packages/gpe-timesheet/gpe-timesheet_0.31.bb: gpe-timesheet: Add 0.31`
`14:40.39`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * rcbb2b499... 10/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0_2.8.6.bb: glib: add 2.8.6`
`14:40.43`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: but it does say it must accompany, Id certainly think the English for accompany discounts someone elses site`
`14:40.46`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * r596b10cd... 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0_2.10.1.bb glib-2.0_2.10.2.bb): glib: drop broken 2.10.1 and 2.10.2`
`14:40.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`anyway, GPL compliance is easy if you just keep the build directory linked from the page ;)`
`14:41.36`	`Luke-Jr`	`if someone doesn't want to go upstream, they can dig through the uncompressed source directories`
`14:41.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`(or better yet, just throw a big blob of the build dir up as tar.bz2 ;)`
`14:42.20`	`koen`	`and throttle the bandwith back to 0.1kB/s`
`14:42.27`	`koen`	`as some companies do`
`14:42.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`heh`
`14:42.42`	`emte`	`the current debate is wether linking or refering back is valid`
`14:42.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`I don't see why not`
`14:43.06`	`emte`	`YOUR not providing source access`
`14:43.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`as long as the links are ensured to be valid`
`14:43.25`	`emte`	`therfore YOUR violating the license`
`14:43.33`	`Luke-Jr`	`if it a violation to use a free webhost, then?`
`14:43.35`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: or print it in a book and ship it to customer, PGP proved books are machine readable`
`14:43.35`	`emte`	`its a semantic debate`
`14:43.36`	`koen`	`rule of thumb: "be in control of the sources yourself"`
`14:44.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`XorA: "a medium customarily used for software interchange"`
`14:44.24`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: again, pgp used books for software interchange`
`14:44.41`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: magazine used to print code in them every month`
`14:44.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`... doesn't make it customary`
`14:44.49`	`emte`	`its a ruling that will expose more than 75% of linux distros`
`14:44.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`!!!`
`14:44.56`	`cdbot`	`Luke-Jr: I have no frelling idea!`
`14:44.58`	`XorA`	`my library is probably full of old book scontaining source`
`14:45.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`my daughter got ahold of a Kubuntu thing`
`14:45.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`managed to get the CD out and in her mouth before i noticed...`
`14:45.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh well`
`14:45.46`	`emte`	`you need to buy her a toy`
`14:45.50`	`Luke-Jr`	`lol`
`14:45.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`she doesn't want the toy, it seems`
`14:46.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`so what happened to the OE page with status on 2.6 cxx0 support?`
`14:46.53`	`emte`	`i wish i would remember where the article was ...`
`14:47.42`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: http://rpsys.net/openzaurus/`
`14:47.54`	`Luke-Jr`	`you know, a bug in the supposed application of the ruling-- someone says the users need the exact source to fix bugs... if the bugs aren't in the newer version, then WTF do they need fixing?`
`14:48.01`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: thanks`
`14:48.45`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: although it is a bit out of data`
`14:48.58`	`emte`	`probably stems from the fact in certain cases the newest version is not the valkid on`
`14:49.03`	`emte`	`valid*`
`14:49.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: hm, so the sound stuff was completed? including microphone/headset?`
`14:49.51`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: doesn't oz contain gpsdrive?`
`14:49.56`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: ask RP`
`14:50.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`RP:`
`14:50.39`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: ./x11/gpsdrive_2.10pre2-r1_arm.ipk`
`14:51.07`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: ok, so pavel is really as dumb as a brick....`
`14:51.49`	`emte`	`sounds like the chip-mic-headset is done`
`14:51.55`	`emte`	`speakers still need work`
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`14:52.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`emte: re cxx0?`
`14:52.41`	`Kerwood`	`jkp: you might want to ask your question in #elinux`
`14:52.45`	`emte`	`i'd have to look in logs sec`
`14:53.00`	`jkp`	`Kerwood: ok, thanks for the recommendation`
`14:55.14`	`emte`	`Jul 11 15:50:31 CIA-9 rpurdie org.oe.dev * rc5b3cb5a... /packages/linux/ (4 files in 3 dirs): linux-oz-2.6.17 + 2.6.17+git: Add poodle audio patch. Gives working playback via headphones and working mic support. The speaker will probably also work when we fix the corgi speaker bug.`
`14:55.41`	`emte`	`so which ever Zaurii poodle corresponds to`
`14:55.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`!poodle`
`14:55.48`	`cdbot`	`poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog`
`14:56.02`	`emte`	`another bot?`
`14:56.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`shrug, isn't that one pretty old?`
`14:56.43`	`Luke-Jr`	`I recognize the response format, anyhow`
`14:56.43`	`emte`	`hmm its dupy's`
`14:56.44`	`emte`	`nice to know someone is using it`
`14:56.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`243/843 revs written wee`
`14:56.54`	`Luke-Jr`	`monotone needs to go faster`
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`14:57.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`i should just add it to cron or something`
`14:57.46`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: see http://openembedded.org`
`14:58.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: eh?`
`14:59.16`	`hrw\|work`	`Luke-Jr: monotone migration`
`14:59.17`	`emte`	`should just build a montone-chip`
`14:59.24`	`zecke`	`Luke-Jr: mtn 0.27 switch`
`14:59.25`	`emte`	`dedicated processor`
`14:59.38`	`NA\|Zzz`	`FPGA for a SCM? Scary.`
`14:59.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`doesn't change the fact that I need to update, does it? O.o`
`14:59.42`	`emte`	`lol`
`14:59.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`or would upgrading make it faster?`
`15:00.00`	`emte`	`would use less system CPU time`
`15:00.10`	`emte`	`faster ... doubtful`
`15:00.42`	`emte`	`actually ...`
`15:00.48`	`emte`	`yeah it would be a bit faster`
`15:00.48`	`hrw\|work`	`Luke-Jr: 0.26+ are much faster then 0.25-`
`15:01.14`	`koen`	`about 10 times faster`
`15:01.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh, that's pretty significant ;)`
`15:01.38`	`emte`	`but the db are not backwards compat`
`15:01.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`so I'll need a fresh checkout?`
`15:01.59`	`emte`	`or convert it`
`15:02.13`	`zecke`	`Luke-Jr: read the article`
`15:02.14`	`hrw\|work`	`I will wget new database`
`15:02.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`hm, guess I'll need to unmask monotone`
`15:02.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`zecke: "The read only users will need to get a new database once the migration is done."`
`15:03.05`	`hrw\|work`	`I will miss most of migration on beach :)`
`15:03.16`	`zecke`	`hrw\|work: poor boy ;)`
`15:03.25`	`zecke`	`hrw\|work: just make sure to push all your stuff before you leave`
`15:03.28`	`Luke-Jr`	`erm`
`15:03.34`	`Luke-Jr`	`monotone 0.25 is latest in Portage`
`15:03.40`	`RP`	`Luke-Jr: Sound is basically sorted for all models except collie`
`15:03.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`!collie`
`15:03.47`	`cdbot`	`collie is the codename for the Sharp Zaurus 5000 and 5500 PDA's, or a dog`
`15:03.52`	`Luke-Jr`	`RP: incl mic?`
`15:03.59`	`RP`	`Luke-Jr: Including mic`
`15:04.05`	`RP`	`The speaker issue is some minor bug in ASoC`
`15:04.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`yay voip`
`15:05.43`	`hrw\|work`	`zecke: I will`
`15:06.13`	`hrw\|work`	`zecke: hopefully most (if not all) of them are pushed`
`15:06.54`	`hrw\|work`	`zecke: and rest are out-of-tree kept`
`15:07.47`	`tkp`	`can you specify that svn should pull down the latest revision?`
`15:07.54`	`tkp`	`ie HEAD`
`15:08.00`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hi`
`15:08.07`	`zecke`	`tkp: see bitbake manual`
`15:08.28`	`tkp`	`zecke: I have looked... can I use the phrase HEAD for revision`
`15:08.49`	`tkp`	`I felt out the revision flag, and by default it is pulling -r {20060712}`
`15:08.49`	`zecke`	`tkp: go to doc type make manual`
`15:08.54`	`zecke`	`tkp: look at the fetcher chapter`
`15:10.05`	`XorA`	`RP: I shall try and get that debug info to Liam tomorrow, been rushed off my feet here today`
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`15:15.19`	`zecke`	`tkp: I might have forgotten to update it on the server, but you can generate it`
`15:15.32`	`zecke`	`tkp: basicly JustinP patched BitBake to allow SRCDATE = "now"`
`15:15.44`	`zecke`	`tkp: so you could write SRCDATE_yourpn = "now"`
`15:15.46`	`tkp`	`i used rev=HEAD... seemed to work`
`15:20.30`	`RP`	`XorA: ok, thanks. If not, I'll probably get around to looking at it at some point :)`
`15:21.20`	`XorA`	`RP: although one strange thing is you 2.6.17 with ASOC update patch is nice and quite, Liams makes lots of static and popping for me, so I am thinking you are doing something slightly different than him`
`15:23.05`	`RP`	`XorA: sounds like a toolchain issue`
`15:23.31`	`XorA`	`RP: I am using same toolchain for both`
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`15:26.45`	`RP`	`XorA: I'm not sure there should be any difference then. Certainly I've not made any changes that should influence that...`
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`15:27.06`	`RP`	`XorA: Have you tried diffing the patches?`
`15:27.09`	`zecke`	`tkp: well whatever`
`15:27.20`	`zecke`	`tkp: either you ask and listen, or you don't ask at all`
`15:27.30`	`zecke`	`tkp: HEAD will download your stuff exactly once`
`15:27.43`	`zecke`	`tkp: if you rebuild this package next year, it will still use the same tarball`
`15:27.53`	`tkp`	`zecke: right ok`
`15:28.06`	`tkp`	`sorry... got distracted for a minute`
`15:28.44`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Morning`
`15:29.15`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: I heard the good news about the sound driver ;)`
`15:29.35`	`tkp`	`zecke: so I add SRCDATE_python-kaa = "now"`
`15:29.46`	`tkp`	`and leave off rev from the svn url?`
`15:30.40`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Yes !!! I have built a bootstrap image and now I am waiting to see if my opie-image build finishes... I started it at ~1am :)`
`15:31.10`	`CoreDump\|home`	`good luck`
`15:31.57`	`XorA`	`RP: not yet, on tuesday bitbake was doing wierd shit, and today Ive bew rushed off feet at work`
`15:32.17`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Any plans for building new images? I would love to be a tester for a new hentges(tm) image...:)`
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`15:38.47`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: It looks like the g_ether driver also works with Windblows XP ...:)`
`15:39.25`	`JustinP`	`hvontres\|work: which Z?`
`15:39.31`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: Yay :)`
`15:39.43`	`RP`	`JustinP: poodle, not cxx00`
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`15:41.08`	`JustinP`	`RP: :-( oh well`
`15:41.52`	`JustinP`	`ah yes, and one fo those SD cards with builtin USB.....that's really nice for copying images around ;-)`
`15:41.55`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: yeah why not. Is the patch in .oz already?`
`15:42.17`	`JustinP`	`CoreDump\|home: care to test an e-image?`
`15:42.24`	`RP`	`JustinP: Its on the todo list`
`15:42.29`	`CoreDump\|home`	`JustinP: sure`
`15:42.39`	`JustinP`	`RP: I know. You have notes in your inbox ;-)`
`15:43.08`	`RP`	`CoreDump\|home: The kernel patch is. If you wait 5 mins, I'll add the module autoloading bits`
`15:43.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`RP: excellent`
`15:44.16`	`hrw\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: 2.6.17 is in .oz354x`
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`15:47.06`	`hrw\|work`	`speaking about autoloading... do we autoload oss emu?`
`15:47.26`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: yes`
`15:48.02`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: As you probably know, I'm trying to write a package to install python-kaa`
`15:48.13`	`tkp`	`this stuff includes some c bindings`
`15:48.32`	`tkp`	`and I don't think distutils alone is installing them`
`15:48.33`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: I've started a build, will take a few hours probably`
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`15:49.02`	`tkp`	`do you have a good example of one of your python packages that also installs c bindings?`
`15:49.21`	`mikearthur`	`more dependency grief :s`
`15:49.28`	`CIA-9`	`03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r1a01264e... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): poodle: Autoload sound modules (and cleanup modules for other models that should be included via moudule dependencies)`
`15:49.29`	`mikearthur`	`Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap-unionroot:`
`15:49.32`	`mikearthur`	`tinylogin modutils-initscripts linux-hotplug angstrom-version coreutils dropbear ipkg-collateral ipkg-link modutils-depmod unionfs-modules unionfs-utils unionroot unionroot-utils`
`15:49.39`	`mikearthur`	`any ideas?`
`15:49.48`	`Kristoffer`	`mikearthur, build them?`
`15:50.17`	`Kristoffer`	`"Hey I cannot find these programs that task-bootstrap-unionroot requires"`
`15:50.56`	`mikearthur`	`Kristoffer: whatever happened to automatic dependency resolution?`
`15:50.56`	`koen`	`mikearthur: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_task-bootstrap=task-bootstrap`
`15:51.04`	`mikearthur`	`koen: thank you`
`15:52.05`	`hrw\|work`	`~lart mc implementation of ftpfs`
`15:52.46`	`CIA-9`	`03rpurdie 07org.oe.oz354x * r0c38f65e... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): poodle 2.6: autoload sound modules (from .dev)`
`15:54.36`	`koen`	`grrr`
`15:54.41`	`koen`	`bitbake is broken in OE`
`15:55.08`	`koen`	`on my z, python is not in #!/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/staging/i686-linux/bin/python`
`15:56.09`	`hrw\|work`	`really?`
`15:56.23`	`koen`	`and the RDEPENS are wrong`
`15:56.30`	`koen`	`ImportError: No module named glob`
`15:57.30`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbc5f5478... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom-2006.9: setp preferred provider for task-bootstrap`
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`16:03.12`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: python stuff need RDEPENDS handwriting`
`16:03.28`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: filling it in right now`
`16:03.43`	`koen`	`install ipkg, update .bb, run bitbake, repeat`
`16:04.34`	`koen`	`I'm current;y at RDEPENDS += "python-shell python-lang python-stringold python-math"`
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`16:06.57`	`Cyorxamp`	`o_O my pda runs this`
`16:07.50`	`hrw\|work`	`cant be`
`16:08.05`	`Cyorxamp`	`?`
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`16:12.24`	`raduga`	`not "ancient" maybe, but pretty old :/`
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`16:12.39`	`raduga`	`WallStreet era powerbook, jornada 540`
`16:12.55`	`raduga`	`i think both have dead batteries`
`16:13.19`	`koen`	`root@c7x0:/usr/src/OE$ bitbake`
`16:13.20`	`koen`	`Nothing to do. Use 'bitbake world' to build everything, or run 'bitbake --help'`
`16:13.22`	`koen`	`finally`
`16:13.57`	`joshin`	`Cyorxamp, your PDA runs OE? How long does a build take?`
`16:14.06`	`woglinde`	`g`
`16:14.11`	`woglinde`	`3 months`
`16:14.20`	`koen`	`nah`
`16:14.21`	`Cyorxamp`	`it's a Sharp Zarus SL5500... running OpenZaurus`
`16:14.27`	`woglinde`	`oh`
`16:14.27`	`koen`	`my slug can do it in a few days :)`
`16:14.43`	`koen`	`Cyorxamp: pssst, this is #openembedded, not #openzaurus`
`16:14.43`	`Luke-Jr`	`Does OE build images that run on any digital cameras?`
`16:14.55`	`koen`	`my camera runs DOS :)`
`16:15.23`	`Cyorxamp`	`koen, how nice... why don't you run around and spread your contempt for others to the rest of the community`
`16:15.31`	`Cyorxamp`	`Then we can all be one angry group!`
`16:15.33`	`woglinde`	`koen a lot runs dos`
`16:15.35`	`Coviti_School`	`Cyorxamp, cool it!`
`16:15.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`Cyorxamp: this is #oe not #openzaurus`
`16:15.53`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: does it really?`
`16:15.54`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: DOS? please hand in your Geek Badge on the way out, thank you!`
`16:16.00`	`Cyorxamp`	`And openzaurus takes parts of oe`
`16:16.04`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: yes`
`16:16.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`CoreDump\|home: better than a proprietary OS that doesn't have a replacement!`
`16:16.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: what camera?`
`16:16.19`	`koen`	`Cyorxamp: read the topic: "his is still not a distribution support channel"`
`16:16.24`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: canon eos`
`16:16.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`Cyorxamp: OpenZaurus is built from OE`
`16:16.36`	`woglinde`	`dos is cheap and fits the rt stuff in this case`
`16:16.37`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: eos is a full model #?`
`16:16.39`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: most canon cameras use dos (not ms-dos)`
`16:16.42`	`joshin`	`Cyorxamp is just trying to get banned from as many channels as he can.`
`16:16.50`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: is it replacable by FreeDOS?`
`16:16.55`	`woglinde`	`bye`
`16:17.09`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: no idea, it works well enough for me`
`16:17.10`	`zecke`	`woglinde: wait`
`16:17.11`	`Coviti_School`	`Seriously...`
`16:17.18`	`Coviti_School`	`Cyorxamp is quite a nut xase`
`16:17.21`	`Coviti_School`	`*case`
`16:17.22`	`Coviti_School`	`IMO`
`16:17.33`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: it it were a 350d I'd reflash it :)`
`16:17.40`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: yes, but can you hack the code to do new crap`
`16:17.48`	`mickey\|thesis`	`tkp: well behaved python extensions should do that automatically, e.g. see python-pyxml. distutils just builds the C extension automatically.`
`16:18.25`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: it just seems to be trying to link to stuff on my host system`
`16:18.40`	`mickey\|thesis`	`tkp: that's not good. then you need to patch setup.py`
`16:18.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: any idea if the CPU can handle 32-bit mode?`
`16:19.03`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: no idea, it's a custom cpu`
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`16:19.31`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: aww, you seriously have no interest in getting OE to run on it? =p`
`16:19.38`	`koen`	`I don't even know what architecture it uses :)`
`16:19.38`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: would you mind taking a quick look at this .bb file just to make sure I'm not doing something stupid?`
`16:19.43`	`koen`	`Lu :p`
`16:19.46`	`mickey\|thesis`	`tkp: sure, pastebin it`
`16:19.52`	`tkp`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/rCeE1I33.html`
`16:20.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`koen: x86-compatible`
`16:20.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`Google says`
`16:20.30`	`CIA-9`	`03koen 07org.oe.dev * r55d39127... 10/packages/bitbake/bitbake_1.4.2.bb: bitbake 1.4.2: add correct RDEPENDS, shebang is still pointing to staging`
`16:20.57`	`koen`	`mickey\|thesis: any idea on how to fix the shebang of the bitbake ipkg?`
`16:21.06`	`mickey\|thesis`	`?`
`16:21.29`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: and setup.py looks like this:`
`16:21.29`	`tkp`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/1GV0WC66.html`
`16:21.46`	`mickey\|thesis`	`koen: ah. no idea, i'll take a look`
`16:21.48`	`koen`	`mickey\|thesis: the first line of /usr/bin/bitbake is "#!/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/staging/i686-linux/bin/python"`
`16:22.11`	`mickey\|thesis`	`koen: i see. will take a lok`
`16:22.17`	`koen`	`thanks`
`16:22.18`	`mickey\|thesis`	`tkp: builds perfectly here`
`16:22.25`	`mickey\|thesis`	`Packaged contents of python-kaa into /local/pkg/oe/c7x0/tmp/deploy/ipk/python-kaa_cvs-02_armv5te.ipk`
`16:22.26`	`tkp`	`try running :`
`16:22.29`	`tkp`	`python`
`16:22.35`	`tkp`	`import kaa.canvas`
`16:22.52`	`mickey\|thesis`	`i have no working arm device accessable`
`16:23.07`	`tkp`	`hmm`
`16:23.19`	`mickey\|thesis`	`see the contents of the package`
`16:23.57`	`tkp`	`basically, when I run that, it complains 'ImportError: cannot import name display'`
`16:24.09`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hmm? i thought it's a build-time problem`
`16:24.14`	`tkp`	`and in the traceback it lists files from the host system`
`16:24.39`	`mickey\|thesis`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/FhcOXP87.html`
`16:25.33`	`tkp`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/omXwYx75.html`
`16:26.11`	`mickey\|thesis`	`i'm not quite sure what you are doing there`
`16:26.15`	`mickey\|thesis`	`you build for x86?`
`16:26.20`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: yes`
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`16:26.32`	`mickey\|thesis`	`aha. you installed the package into a chroot or something?`
`16:26.39`	`hrw\|work`	`http://wiki.openzaurus.org/RoadMap`
`16:26.46`	`tkp`	`I'm simply trying to use the kaa module on thee target system`
`16:27.00`	`tkp`	`mickey\|thesis: I have tried from a chroot`
`16:27.39`	`mickey\|thesis`	`and?`
`16:27.40`	`tkp`	`I'll try actually booting into the system rather than running it from chroot`
`16:27.49`	`tkp`	`that error is from chroot`
`16:28.04`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hmm... it doesn't look like that`
`16:28.10`	`mickey\|thesis`	`it looks like you're running stuff from your build directory`
`16:28.18`	`mickey\|thesis`	`doesn't look like you installed a package into /`
`16:28.41`	`tkp`	`into / ?`
`16:28.46`	`mickey\|thesis`	`ipkg install`
`16:28.48`	`mickey\|thesis`	`or something`
`16:29.14`	`tkp`	`what package... all the kaa stuff is in the rootfs`
`16:29.42`	`mickey\|thesis`	`so you built an image and are chrooting into $BUILDDIR/tmp/rootfs ?`
`16:30.05`	`tkp`	`well actually, I mounte an ext2 file and chrooted into that`
`16:30.16`	`tkp`	`but that's the same thiing prety much`
`16:31.26`	`mickey\|thesis`	`that path in the traceback doesn't look like you're running python from a chroot`
`16:31.35`	`tkp`	`exactly!`
`16:31.39`	`tkp`	`yet I am`
`16:31.51`	`mickey\|thesis`	`aha`
`16:32.13`	`mickey\|thesis`	`well, i have not enough context information to be of any help here. i will try to build that package and run it when i have a chance.`
`16:32.37`	`tkp`	`ok, that would be appreciated`
`16:32.59`	`tkp`	`is there anything else I can tell you that may give you more of an idea?`
`16:33.08`	`tkp`	`I'm at a los here :(`
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`16:37.22`	`tkp`	`I'm really confused as to how that traceback can refer to files outside of the chrooted environment`
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`16:43.08`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: the oz-logo in the wiki has a different background colour as wiki (246/246/246), I suspect this stems from the palette of the gif`
`16:43.46`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Do you have any .bb files for genrating your opie and cardfs images for poodle?`
`16:46.25`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: Its in CVS, yes`
`16:46.33`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hold on`
`16:46.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`so... anybody heard of getting embedded linux onto a digital camera?`
`16:46.57`	`hrw\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: push them into oe`
`16:47.08`	`hrw\|work`	`I go home`
`16:47.09`	`Kristoffer`	`ARgh, will every distro need to keep their own sources to be GPL compliant?`
`16:47.31`	`CoreDump\|home`	`Kristoffer: it looks that way. yes.`
`16:47.33`	`Luke-Jr`	`Kristoffer: that's probably the easiest method`
`16:47.47`	`Kristoffer`	`CoreDump\|home, feels like my webspace is running lower and lower :D`
`16:47.52`	`hrw\|work`	`Kristoffer: you can store them on cd/dvd and keep at home`
`16:47.59`	`zecke`	`right`
`16:48.02`	`hrw\|work`	`Kristoffer: then charge anyone who want a copy from you`
`16:48.03`	`Luke-Jr`	`or someone can just host source and offer agreements to keep hosting it for the 3 year period`
`16:48.04`	`zecke`	`Kristoffer: just don't forget the offer`
`16:48.08`	`Kristoffer`	`Aha :D`
`16:48.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrw\|work: then you need to support it 3 years`
`16:48.51`	`hrw\|work`	`Luke-Jr: I hope that in 2009 I will still be in OE business`
`16:48.52`	`CoreDump\|home`	`Kristoffer: or only give out sources for specific stuff on request, that's basically what I do.`
`16:49.01`	`Kristoffer`	`CoreDump\|home, oki, good idea`
`16:49.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`I think it'd work out best for the big mirrors (the ones who mirror lots of distros) to just offer source providing agreements ;)`
`16:49.16`	`hrw\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: you have mirror of 3.5.4.1 sources`
`16:49.25`	`hrw\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: contacted ibiblio maybe?`
`16:49.31`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrw\|work: you hope to be using the exact version of software from today in 2009?`
`16:49.33`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hrw\|work: I was thinking about hentges ;)`
`16:49.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hrw\|work: nope. We have enough mirrors by now IMO`
`16:50.08`	`CoreDump\|home`	`I'll add one tomorrow and we have another offer`
`16:50.10`	`koen`	`grrr`
`16:50.20`	`koen`	`~lart mediawiki for erasing half of my fixes`
`16:50.31`	`Luke-Jr`	`ibot made fixes?`
`16:50.44`	`hrw\|work`	`~resolve feeds.openzaurus.org`
`16:50.53`	`hrw\|work`	`~nslookup feeds.openzaurus.org`
`16:51.01`	`hrw\|work`	kergoth`zzz: ARGH
`16:51.07`	`zecke`	`hehe`
`16:51.25`	`hrw\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: saw RoadMap in OZ wiki?`
`16:51.39`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hrw\|work: not yet`
`16:52.15`	`koen`	`s/in/and/`
`16:53.11`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: thx`
`16:53.38`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: but somehow media wiki thrashed half of them`
`16:53.42`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: ;(`
`16:55.25`	`JustinP`	`argh`
`16:55.39`	`CIA-9`	`03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r1fa6c1c3... 10/ (18 files in 4 dirs):`
`16:55.39`	`CIA-9`	`(KERNEL CHANGES)`
`16:55.39`	`CIA-9`	`conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : minor updates`
`16:55.39`	`CIA-9`	`linux/linux-jlime-arm-2.6.17/* : Fixes/updates of patches and config`
`16:55.39`	`CIA-9`	`linux/linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.17/LinuxSH-2.6.17 : Update to CVS 20060712`
`16:55.40`	`CIA-9`	`* update of cvs from linuxsh, fixes some backlight/suspend issues.`
`16:55.42`	`CIA-9`	`linux/linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.17/defconfig_jlime : Minor update to reflect patch.`
`16:56.50`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Now that we have USB and Sound working, are there any major problems left with 2.6 on poodle?`
`16:57.14`	`CoreDump\|home`	`nothing major IIRC`
`16:57.32`	`hrw\|work`	`charging works?`
`16:57.53`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: the rest of the spelling stuff in in /Talk`
`16:57.55`	`hvontres\|work`	`hrw\|work: As far as I can Tell yes :)`
`16:58.21`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/hentgescvs/daily-snapshot/2006/July/hentgescvs_12-Jul-2006.tar.gz`
`16:58.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`there's a anonymous CVS server, too.`
`16:58.57`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Thanks. I will try that out later :)`
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`16:59.01`	`zecke`	`lpotter: can you explain why putting libqte.so into the Qtopia lib directory is what your customers expect?`
`16:59.29`	`chouimat\|ibook`	`hi zecke`
`16:59.48`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: pssst: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/`
`17:00.08`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: psst, I wrote that ;)`
`17:00.11`	`tkp`	`anyone know what package libgif and libjpeg are part of?`
`17:01.47`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: whats wrong with 'it is' that you change it to "it's"?`
`17:01.52`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: and it's outdated`
`17:02.02`	`koen`	`hrw\|work: personal preference`
`17:02.26`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: What did you use to test the sound on poodle? I am trying to get speaker-test to work... but I think I might be missing something.`
`17:02.48`	`koen`	`hvontres\|work: madplay foo.mp3?`
`17:03.16`	`hvontres\|work`	`koen: will try later.. installing vorbis-tols right now.`
`17:03.27`	`hrw\|work`	`hvontres\|work: aplay test.wav?`
`17:04.17`	`hrw\|work`	`koen: added`
`17:04.39`	`hrw\|work`	`cu`
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`17:32.39`	`Gerrath`	`I'm working on getting an LCD working with the Linux Frame buffer, once I have something that I think works, what is a good way to test it out, is there a simple app in OE that I can use to just send an image?`
`17:33.29`	`koen`	`Gerrath: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0`
`17:33.41`	`koen`	`that should give you a very colourfull picture`
`17:34.15`	`Gerrath`	`koen, thanks thats exactly what I was looking for, something very simple like that.`
`17:39.17`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: should the pcm-oss module still be loaded ?`
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`17:54.43`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: yes, its the oss emulation - lots of apps need it`
`17:56.27`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: I use madplay and aplay for testing`
`17:56.42`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: Use headphones, not the speaker as that doesn't work quite right yet`
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`17:58.05`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: Actually, I managed to get sound out of the speaker, but not the headphones while the headphones were plugged in ;0`
`17:58.48`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: Thinking about it, the jack detection isn't wired up atm ;-)`
`17:58.54`	`RP`	`(in software)`
`18:03.11`	`tkp`	`I'm trying to bitbake libx11-native, and it's defaulting to -6.2.1+cvs20060712-r6, which fails... can I tell it to not use cvs?`
`18:03.46`	`Laibsc1`	`OK, something is still not quite right. Now glibc will not build. http://rafb.net/paste/results/PIdVxt73.html I am at my unimpressive wisdom's end. What patch is quilt trying to apply? If I knew that maybe I could find out the reason it is failing.`
`18:04.54`	`tkp`	`I trieed setting PREFERRED_VERSION_libx11-native = "6.2.1", but it still seems to try it with +cvs..`
`18:05.19`	`JustinP`	`Laibsc1: try the run.xxx file`
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`18:14.54`	`zecke`	`woglinde: hey`
`18:15.03`	`woglinde`	`hey :(`
`18:18.37`	`woglinde`	`hm vmware server is final`
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`18:23.40`	`Laibsch`	`JustinP: Thank you for the information about the runXXX script. I ran it. It of course fails. There is no more information than during the bitbake phase. Looking at the lines with quilt in the runXXX script does not reveal the problem. I can call that line fine from the shell.`
`18:23.54`	`Laibsch`	`It just tests whether any patches are applied it seems.`
`18:24.26`	`Laibsch`	`But when the line is called from the runXX script it seems that the syntax is somehow wrong.`
`18:24.45`	`Laibsch`	`I still fail to see what is going wrong here :-(`
`18:26.45`	`tkp`	`is there a package for libx11-dev?`
`18:27.33`	`JustinP`	`Laibsch: did you try running it with the quilt in your staging dir?`
`18:27.42`	`JustinP`	`Laibsch: check the PATH in there and see if you can find another quilt`
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`18:36.40`	`tkp`	`or... does anyone know which package provides glx.h?`
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`18:38.06`	`woglinde`	`re koen`
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`18:39.57`	`koen`	`hey woglinde`
`18:40.16`	`woglinde`	`sigh`
`18:40.37`	`woglinde`	`I got zecke sick`
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`18:43.31`	`Kerwood`	`woglinde: you should bathe more often :)`
`18:43.37`	`Kerwood`	`joking, of course`
`18:44.55`	`woglinde`	`kerwood sorry`
`18:45.00`	`woglinde`	`that istn really funny`
`18:45.47`	`Kerwood`	`woglinde: Forgive me, it seemed liked zecke was OK`
`18:46.36`	`woglinde`	`kerwood wasnt here`
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`18:50.27`	`goxboxlive`	`koen: can you do me a favour?`
`18:51.05`	`koen`	`goxboxlive: I can try`
`18:51.28`	`goxboxlive`	`do you have konq/E the 2006 version based on qte-mt?`
`18:52.04`	`koen`	`nope`
`18:52.14`	`goxboxlive`	`ko, then you cant do me a favour :-)`
`18:52.18`	`goxboxlive`	`i c`
`19:04.31`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: does alsamixer save it's settings?`
`19:04.50`	`RP`	`hvontres\|work: They stay active. use alsactl store to save`
`19:04.52`	`koen`	`hvontres\|work: 'alsactl store;`
`19:05.08`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: thanks`
`19:05.28`	`koen`	`and 'alsactl restore' to get them back`
`19:05.37`	`koen`	`but iirc zaurusd does that for you`
`19:08.03`	`Luke-Jr`	`Why not use unversioned distros?`
`19:08.17`	`koen`	`use them for what?`
`19:08.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`building images`
`19:08.30`	`koen`	`you can if you want to`
`19:08.37`	`koen`	`but don't complain about breakage`
`19:08.40`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: because it's not likely to work`
`19:08.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`well, someone put a warning on it`
`19:08.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`JustinP: it used to...`
`19:08.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`once upon a time`
`19:08.59`	`JustinP`	`soemtimes it will, sometimes it won't`
`19:09.12`	`JustinP`	`they tend to be broken in one way or another`
`19:09.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh well`
`19:09.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`are the -unstable kept semi-recent?`
`19:09.24`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hmmm looks like 2.6.16 is still the default for .oz. I guess I should hard-wire it to 2.6.17 for poodle huh?`
`19:09.26`	`koen`	`'unpredictable' is a better word`
`19:09.41`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: didn't hrw set 2.6.17 for collie,poodle and tosa?`
`19:09.49`	`koen`	`iirc he wanted to`
`19:09.57`	`CoreDump\|home`	`just rebuilt poodle, .16 got pulled in`
`19:10.03`	`Luke-Jr`	`do I need bitbake trunk for the massive speedups I hear about?`
`19:10.16`	`Crofton`	`no`
`19:10.20`	`koen`	`Luke-Jr: 1.4.2 release`
`19:10.30`	`Crofton`	`the release-1.xx should have it`
`19:10.33`	`Luke-Jr`	`I'm using branches/1.4 and it's still slow`
`19:10.45`	`koen`	`I have bitbake running on my z`
`19:10.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`lol`
`19:11.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.4 to be exact`
`19:11.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`rev 548`
`19:12.11`	`koen`	`http://prdownload.berlios.de/bitbake/bitbake-1.4.2.tar.gz to be exact`
`19:12.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh well, -i works`
`19:12.22`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: def_pref = -1 in 2.6.17?`
`19:12.42`	`CoreDump\|home`	`ah lol`
`19:12.48`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: bitbake-1.4 branch is far faster than it used to be`
`19:12.51`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: you could do DEFAULT_PREFENCE_poodle = "1"`
`19:12.54`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: even first run of parsing is fast`
`19:13.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`JustinP: well, it took a few minutes here`
`19:13.11`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: if it's not really fast for subsequent parses you're editing local.fonc probably`
`19:13.14`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: I'll do that, thanks`
`19:13.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`not that I'm complaining... -i works, and it used to be a ton slower`
`19:13.23`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: a few minutes is better than 10 minutes`
`19:13.33`	`JustinP`	`Luke-Jr: subsequent parse should be a few seconds`
`19:13.38`	`koen`	`~8mb cache is better than 400MB`
`19:13.40`	`ibot`	`koen: okay`
`19:13.48`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: add PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-openzaurus = "2.6.17"`
`19:13.50`	`koen`	`ibot: forget 8mb`
`19:13.50`	`ibot`	`koen: i didn't have anything called '8mb' to forget`
`19:13.58`	`koen`	`ibot: forget 8mb cache`
`19:13.58`	`ibot`	`i forgot 8mb cache, koen`
`19:13.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`yes, a reparse is fast :)`
`19:14.23`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: that's even better =)`
`19:15.01`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: works for me... opie image almost done.... after ~11 hrs :(`
`19:15.15`	`CoreDump\|home`	`just finished rebuilding gpe and opie`
`19:15.39`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: heh, need to feed hamsters better :)`
`19:16.27`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: have you tried altboot from an image file on SD yet?`
`19:16.34`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: I had a flying start so to speak. I only had to rebuild changes from an acient pre .1 version`
`19:16.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: not lately no`
`19:17.08`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: And you are probably not using a "blazing" dual PII 333 :)`
`19:17.34`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hehe`
`19:17.52`	`CoreDump\|home`	`well, a single P4 2.8 actually`
`19:18.46`	`RP`	`CoreDump\|home: zecke could probably tell you. I can't remember whether that was a one of the problem cases :)`
`19:18.57`	`CoreDump\|home`	`=)`
`19:19.19`	`hvontres\|work`	`RP: Works for me :)`
`19:22.20`	`CoreDump\|home`	`NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.17: started`
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`19:25.26`	`hvontres\|work`	`JustinP: uhgg, what made you 'WANT' to do that?`
`19:25.45`	`raduga`	`hi RP`
`19:25.56`	`raduga`	`thanks for the .17 updates :)`
`19:26.06`	`RP`	`hi raduga, np :)`
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`19:29.11`	`raduga`	`rp: is the pxafb_changeres-r1 coming close to working yet?`
`19:31.35`	`koen`	`weeee`
`19:31.38`	`koen`	`bash works`
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`19:37.00`	`woglinde`	`re tmbinc`
`19:44.00`	`Laibsch`	`JustinP: There is another quilt under staging/i686-linux/bin/. It is an older version than the installed one. That is also on the path when calling runXX script. Hardcoding the call the staging bin does not help.`
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`19:48.37`	`koen`	`what's the quickest way to generate a site file when you have autofoo installed on your target?`
`19:48.57`	`woglinde`	`site file?`
`19:49.34`	`koen`	`woglinde: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/site`
`19:50.15`	`woglinde`	`sorry dont get it`
`19:50.58`	`koen`	`woglinde: those file have cached information for autotools on arch specific stuff`
`19:51.02`	`woglinde`	`or maybee I never done something or here about site`
`19:51.05`	`koen`	`like sizof(int)`
`19:51.11`	`woglinde`	`hm ah`
`19:51.40`	`woglinde`	`sorry never worked with that`
`19:51.53`	`woglinde`	`only Makefile.am configure.ac`
`19:52.26`	`petn-randall`	`ok, I'm gone`
`19:52.29`	`petn-randall`	`bye bye !`
`19:52.37`	`koen`	`iirc you can get them from config.log, but you'd need to compile a lot of programs to get a complete list`
`19:52.42`	`koen`	`petn-randall: cu`
`19:52.51`	`CoreDump\|home`	`cya petn-randall`
`19:52.55`	`koen`	`I was hoping someone here would have a hint on how to be lazy`
`19:53.13`	`woglinde`	`hm I am gooling for it`
`20:00.37`	`woglinde`	`ah`
`20:00.44`	`woglinde`	`its autoconf cache file`
`20:01.34`	`woglinde`	`koen http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_node/autoconf_86.html`
`20:02.05`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: flashing poodle now`
`20:02.08`	`koen`	`that's what I feared`
`20:02.23`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: =)`
`20:04.31`	`CoreDump\|home`	`yay, new OZ logo is enabled for poodle, too`
`20:05.00`	`woglinde`	`he coredump`
`20:07.04`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: Are you going to upload images tonight?`
`20:07.04`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hmm why doesn't work Fn+LeftArrow anymore`
`20:07.22`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: ??????????????`
`20:07.23`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: depends on how they look`
`20:07.35`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: it works with bootstrap`
`20:07.38`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: Fn-[left\|right]Arrow is supposed to change VTs`
`20:07.51`	`CoreDump\|home`	`heh works now...`
`20:08.33`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: are you running opie or gpe right now?`
`20:08.39`	`CoreDump\|home`	`opie`
`20:08.47`	`CoreDump\|home`	`gpe needs some more love IIRC`
`20:09.16`	`CoreDump\|home`	`and yet again,`
`20:09.27`	`CoreDump\|home`	`~curse this god damn medium mount dialog crap`
`20:09.28`	`ibot`	`May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, this god damn medium mount dialog crap !`
`20:10.00`	`koen`	`can't that be disabled or something?`
`20:10.07`	`CoreDump\|home`	`heh I wish`
`20:10.12`	`koen`	`IMO that beats the keylaunch crap from gpe`
`20:10.26`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: keylaunch works fine now`
`20:10.44`	`CoreDump\|home`	`this medium mount crap annoys users for years now`
`20:11.54`	`koen`	`why don't we remove it?`
`20:11.57`	`koen`	`2.6 has udev`
`20:12.18`	`Kerwood`	`CoreDump\|home: can't the medium-mount box be suppressed by disabling it in the config file which is put in the image?`
`20:12.40`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: it doesn't really "mount" the cards but configures what opie does w/ them :\`
`20:13.19`	`CoreDump\|home`	`Kerwood: there is no such setting to my knowledge`
`20:13.42`	`koen`	`grrr`
`20:13.51`	`koen`	`gcc has no fortran support`
`20:14.25`	`CoreDump\|home`	`lol`
`20:14.31`	`CoreDump\|home`	`my ts doesn't work`
`20:14.59`	`raduga`	`g77?`
`20:15.16`	`koen`	`g77, f90, f95, etc`
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`20:16.08`	`raduga`	`what do you mean by 'gcc has no fortran support'`
`20:16.26`	`koen`	`'bitbake gcc' and look for fortran packages`
`20:16.26`	`raduga`	`do you mean, that g77 is not supported by arm?`
`20:16.35`	`raduga`	`oh, you mean bitbake doesn't know about it`
`20:16.36`	`raduga`	`ok`
`20:16.41`	`koen`	`OE disables it`
`20:16.48`	`raduga`	`because its broken?`
`20:16.55`	`raduga`	`or for some other reason?`
`20:17.03`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: sorry no images today`
`20:17.23`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: np :)`
`20:17.34`	`koen`	`nchip: :)`
`20:18.04`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: tslib problem?`
`20:18.14`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hvontres\|work: yeah`
`20:18.26`	`CoreDump\|home`	`no where is that cfg again`
`20:19.02`	`koen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:19.23`	`hvontres\|work`	`CoreDump\|home: well, I guess at least all the other stff will have already built when I get home tonight :)`
`20:19.50`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: nah, the once which sets the "driver" for the ts`
`20:19.55`	`CoreDump\|home`	`s/once/one`
`20:20.11`	`koen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:21.07`	`CoreDump\|home`	`that's it ;)`
`20:21.13`	`tkp`	`hey`
`20:21.28`	`koen`	`iirc it can be anywhere TSLIB_TSCONFFILE points to`
`20:21.33`	`tkp`	`I'm having a little trouble with the libx11-native-6.2.1 package`
`20:21.36`	`koen`	`(or whatever that var is called)`
`20:21.40`	`koen`	`hey tkp`
`20:22.02`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hmmm looks right`
`20:22.05`	`tkp`	`the source directory contains include/X11/Xlib.h`
`20:22.10`	`tkp`	`which I need`
`20:22.28`	`tkp`	`yet it doesn't seem to be getting installed into my staging dir`
`20:23.36`	`zwelch`	`koen: was there something wrong with the faad2 patch i posted via pastebin?`
`20:23.59`	`zwelch`	`(or were you waiting for me to paste one without the bumped PR?)`
`20:24.02`	`tkp`	`tmp/staging/i586-oe-linux/include/X11/ contains loads of the .h files... but not that one :(`
`20:25.09`	`tkp`	`I am right in thinking that tmp/staging/i586-oe-linux is where all the native stuff goes right?`
`20:26.16`	`koen`	`tkp: if your host is i586, yes`
`20:32.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hmmm tslib.sh for poodle is bugged`
`20:33.12`	`koen`	`CoreDump\|home: ts.conf probably doesn't have module 'input' select`
`20:34.39`	`CoreDump\|home`	`koen: it has but is missing TSLIB_CONFFILE=/usr/share/tslib/ts.conf for some reason`
`20:35.06`	`koen`	`put ts.conf in /etc and it should be alright`
`20:35.26`	`koen`	`the /usr/share/tslib is there to select between 2.4 and 2.6 configs for ipaqs`
`20:35.34`	`tkp`	`koen: where do I need to specify PREFERRED_VERSION_ for it to take effect?`
`20:35.59`	`koen`	`tkp: local.conf or $DISTRO.conf`
`20:36.22`	`tkp`	`ahh.. cool. I was trying to do it in a packege's bb file`
`20:36.28`	`tkp`	`and it wasn't taking effect`
`20:36.59`	`koen`	`tkp: AFAIK .bbs only affect their own 'scope'`
`20:37.06`	`koen`	`tkp: I could be wildly wrong`
`20:39.46`	`tkp`	`koen: seems to have done the trick thanks :)`
`20:45.30`	`JustinP`	`Laibsch: maybe it's calling the wrong "patch".....?`
`20:46.32`	`JustinP`	`hvontres\|work: I don't want to....I just had to. First for armv5te e-images, second for arm (collie) e-images, third to rebuild some old stuff`
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`20:49.51`	`hvontres\|work`	`~lart glibc-package`
`20:52.23`	`Laibsch`	`JustinP: I am not sure. I am going to clean out tmp again and rebuild overnight in the hope that I can actually use OE tomorrow.`
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`20:53.21`	`Laibsch`	`Is it true that using NFS mounted OE directory as /path/1 on computer A and /path/somewherelse on computer B will break things?`
`20:53.38`	`Laibsch`	`Seems like some stuff is hardcoded in ./tmp.`
`20:55.26`	`thejapa`	`Laibsch: not sure about nfs, but i use some symlinked dirs on my pc to help spread the load`
`20:55.52`	`thejapa`	`so far, oe has not complained`
`20:57.21`	`woglinde`	`hi thejapa`
`20:57.35`	`thejapa`	`woglinde: hi! :)`
`21:01.01`	`Laibsch`	`thejapa: NFS itself is possible. Is used it successfully so far. But it does not seem possible to have a different path on machine A and B when accessing the same OE tree. Moving around the OE dir in the filesystem also seems to wreak havoc (which is unfortunate).`
`21:10.09`	`thejapa`	`Laibsch: my .dev tree is symlinked from my homedir and each dir in my /stuff/build/tmp is symlinked to other paths...`
`21:10.16`	`thejapa`	`s/to/from`
`21:10.39`	`JustinP`	`thejapa: Laibsch means the tmpdir`
`21:10.43`	`JustinP`	`bild dir`
`21:10.47`	`JustinP`	`build`
`21:11.31`	`hvontres\|work`	`mikey\|thesis: python-curses is complaining about libncurses5 eventhough libncuses is installed :(`
`21:15.26`	`zecke`	`thejapa: why /stuff/?`
`21:15.58`	`zecke`	`I don't want to know how many people called it /stuff`
`21:16.12`	`tkp`	`I'm trying to install libx11, and having some trouble (again!)`
`21:16.35`	`tkp`	`it's complaining that it can't find Xtrans.h...`
`21:16.56`	`tkp`	`yet I have the header file in the staging include dir`
`21:17.09`	`tkp`	`located at:`
`21:17.09`	`tkp`	`tmp/staging/i586-oe-linux/include/X11/Xtrans/Xtrans.h`
`21:17.31`	`tkp`	`what's the best way to go about adding include dirs?`
`21:17.35`	`thejapa`	`zecke: hehe, i don't like it too, but i find it makes easier to talk about OE tree this way.`
`21:17.52`	`tkp`	`I don't quite understand why this dir isn't being included already`
`21:18.43`	`tkp`	`not really sure what the bitbake way is with regards to setting include dirs`
`21:19.46`	`tkp`	`I can see from the debug log that the top level include dir is being included`
`21:19.47`	`tkp`	`-I/home/tom/stv/oe-stv/build/tmp/staging/i586-oe-linux/include`
`21:20.15`	`tkp`	`but it doesn't seem to be finding the header which is in a sub directory of this (X11/Xtrans/Xtrans.h)`
`21:21.25`	`tkp`	`the full error is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MMUtn974.html`
`21:22.08`	`mickey\|thesis`	`hvontres\|work: file a bug in OE and I'll take a look`
`21:22.44`	`mickey\|thesis`	`g'night`
`21:22.54`	`woglinde`	`nite mickeyl`
`21:24.16`	`Laibsch`	`thejapa: Do you speak Japanese, BTW?`
`21:25.13`	`Laibsch`	`thejapa: I try to avoid symlinks like the plague when dealing with OE. The wiki says OE does not deal easily with symlinks. So I do not use them. If I need to I sometimes use "mount -o bind"`
`21:25.51`	`thejapa`	`Laibsch: no, the nick is "the japa" because I'm brazilian, and asiatic ppl here are commonly called japs`
`21:26.36`	`Laibsch`	`Well, I also checked your /whois, that is why I asked.`
`21:30.34`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re67ed465... 10/packages/libdvdread/libdvdread_0.9.6.bb: add libdvdread, a library to read dvds (sic!)`
`21:30.41`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r11d8497b... 10/packages/libzvbi/libzvbi_0.2.22.bb:`
`21:30.42`	`CIA-9`	`add libzvbi, a library that provides functions to capture and decode VBI data. It is written in plain ANSI C with few`
`21:30.42`	`CIA-9`	`dependencies on other tools and libraries.`
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`21:37.18`	`zwelch`	`hmmm. so it seems that ffmpeg doesn't build for me. also, their cvs server has been retired (after being migrated to svn), so the cvs version is dead`
`21:38.00`	`woglinde`	`zwelch than migrate the .bb file to svn`
`21:38.15`	`woglinde`	`there are enough examples in the packages files`
`21:39.04`	`zwelch`	`oh, the "how" is not necessarily a problem; the observation was made in the hope that someone would say, "oh, we know, it's bug #n, and so-and-so is fixing it." ;)`
`21:39.26`	`CIA-9`	`03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r74842567... 10/packages/zroadmap/zroadmap_cvs.bb: zroadmap cvs add dependency on expat`
`21:40.56`	`zwelch`	`one question that is on my mind is: what is the best means of developing something like that and then getting it merged? the proper path to take involves a file rename`
`21:42.03`	`zwelch`	`at the worst, i'll just create a mt diff style patch; i seem to recall reading that being listed as the proper method`
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`22:04.00`	`JustinP`	`heh`
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`22:43.48`	`Kristoffer`	`Applying patch 'kernel-keymap.patch' fails`
`22:45.14`	`hvontres\|work`	`bye all`
`22:46.13`	`hvontres\|work`	`quit`
`22:55.08`	`kergoth`	`build keeps failing at rootfs population`
`23:01.48`	`woglinde`	`kergoth hm`
`23:02.05`	`JustinP`	`what error?`
`23:03.58`	`woglinde`	`nite all`
`23:04.55`	`kergoth`	`at first, i kept getting ipks shoveled into the morgue`
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`23:05.07`	`JustinP`	`and we all know how fun that is`
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`23:07.05`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`23:15.29`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * r7c2fa582... 10/conf/machine/htcuniversal.conf: htcuniversal.conf: Update to latest version by goxboxlive.`
`23:15.34`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * r263e786a... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-un-2.6_2.6.16.bb: handhelds-un-2.6: New description for up to date Universal kernel. Courtesy by goxboxlive@gmail.com.`
`23:15.38`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * r895e42f5... 10/packages/tslib/ (tslib/htcuniversal/tslib.sh tslib_20060703.bb): tslib: Update universal bits and specific dependencies.`
`23:15.42`	`CIA-9`	`03florian 07org.oe.dev * rd09f0621... 10/packages/base-files/ (base-files/htcuniversal/fstab base-files_3.0.14.bb): base-files: Add htcuniversal fstab by goxboxlive.`
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`23:42.31`	`SonicvanaJr`	`Hey I tried bitbaking opie-image, and I got pretty far, but received the following error`
`23:42.38`	`SonicvanaJr`	`http://pastebin.ca/86523`
`23:42.50`	`SonicvanaJr`	`Any help would be greatly appreciated`
`23:47.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`\| CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/libffi`
`23:47.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`\| cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362`
`23:47.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1.1-r5: task do_compile: failed`
`23:52.30`	`zwelch`	`i have a fun compiler error too: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eSzEOL40.html`
`23:59.00`	`Kristoffer`	`Any good way to specify different gcc version for machine specific?`
`23:59.20`	`Kristoffer`	`like setting orinoco modules to be compiled by CCSUFFIX=xxx but only for machine=x`

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