| 00:00.46 | magnet | evening. |
| 00:01.02 | magnet | does someone know how I can use a specific version of gcc, to compile some bb file ? |
| 00:01.07 | magnet | it's for kernel module. |
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| 00:39.43 | koen_ | and to answer my question from a few weeks ago: arm*-*-linux-uclibcgnueabi |
| 00:47.03 | chouimat | hi koen |
| 00:47.16 | koen | hey chouimat |
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| 00:48.37 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5aff8e65... 10/conf/distro/angstrom.conf: angstrom.conf: add example for building uclibc enables stuff |
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| 01:49.26 | hvontres | hi CoreDump |
| 01:50.01 | hvontres | ~seen RP |
| 01:50.04 | ibot | rp is currently on #gpe (5d 15h 8m 33s) #oe (5d 15h 8m 33s) #openzaurus (5d 15h 8m 33s) #handhelds.org (5d 15h 8m 33s). Has said a total of 254 messages. Is idling for 6h 8m 11s, last said: 'mickey|fifa2006: 60% in the end. Another was rejected as Hunk #1 suceeded, fuzz 2 :)'. |
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| 02:13.56 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:15.20 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rf5d71eb5... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files): ixp4xx-kernel: Added 2.6.17, and enabled the patches and defconfig to be pulled from svn. |
| 04:16.07 | rwhitby | That 2.6.17 kernel builds with gcc 4.1 - testing it now. |
| 04:16.40 | emte | then thinks , oh yeah WE stablize for embedded devices :P |
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| 04:17.17 | emte | actually the stablization stuff should become interesting |
| 04:17.45 | emte | i guess it depends how broken the kernel crew lets things go |
| 04:21.36 | rwhitby | Linux version 2.6.17 (rwhitby@sarge) (gcc version 4.1.1) #1 PREEMPT Tue Jun 20 6 |
| 04:24.01 | emte | actually i am not sure how much effect an unstablized kernel will have for general users |
| 04:26.53 | rwhitby | emte: well, in this case I (and the other nslu2-linux core team devs) am the kernel crew :-) |
| 04:27.30 | rwhitby | Now the kernel boots, time to get the Intel ixp modules to build ... |
| 04:35.53 | csmanx | emte: lol |
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| 05:20.48 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r0d094c5c... 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ixp4xx, ixp425-eth: Updated for 2.6.17 kernel (MODULE_PARM now removed) |
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| 07:38.47 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:39.01 | hvontres | morning hrw |
| 07:41.18 | hvontres | hrw: have you had problems building orinoco-modules from the 354x metadata? |
| 07:41.35 | hrw|work | hvontres: no |
| 07:42.13 | hrw|work | hvontres: but I do not remember when last time I built them |
| 07:42.27 | hvontres | hmmm, need to dig into that one some more then.. tried to build a 2.6 poodle image last night and it failed on those.. |
| 07:42.54 | hrw|work | hvontres: all 2.6 zauruses use orinoco from kernel not from orinoco-modules |
| 07:43.38 | hvontres | so I guess I need to figure out how orinoco-modules-0.15rc2-r9 was added to task-bootstap then.. |
| 07:43.58 | hrw|work | probably poodle 2.6 config still want them (not cleaned) |
| 07:44.09 | hvontres | (checking) |
| 07:44.52 | hvontres | bingo.. do I still need hostap-modules or can I get rid of those too? |
| 07:45.39 | hvontres | nevermind, those built fine. |
| 07:45.56 | hrw|work | hostap-modules also from kernel |
| 07:47.20 | hvontres | thanks. |
| 07:49.19 | hvontres | well, monotone is almost done... Ohh the joy of a dual PII-333 :) I am off to bed |
| 07:50.32 | hrw|work | hvontres|afk: nice machine ;) |
| 07:51.28 | hvontres|afk | hey, they were gonna toss it at work... only the best mid-90's equipment for me..:) Beats my Pentium 233 Laptop :) |
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| 07:54.48 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 07:56.50 | hrw|work | speed monsters |
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| 07:56.57 | do13_ | morning all |
| 07:57.07 | hvontres|afk | Ok Monotone is done... I am off to bed.. Good night. :) |
| 07:59.09 | hrw|work | hi dirk |
| 07:59.16 | do13_ | hey Marcin |
| 07:59.41 | hrw|work | do13_: I will have tosa (and poodle) soon - something to check especially? |
| 08:00.07 | do13_ | not yet. |
| 08:00.28 | do13_ | I know most of the bugs :) |
| 08:00.53 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 08:01.44 | do13_ | hrw|work: you added the wrt54 stuff does this work? |
| 08:02.48 | hrw|work | do13_: I did not added wrt54 stuff |
| 08:03.04 | hrw|work | do13_: flash openwrt and then use OE to build extra packages for it ;) |
| 08:03.25 | do13_ | ok. |
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| 08:03.45 | do13_ | there is a new distro maybe we can point them in out direction |
| 08:04.05 | do13_ | our direction |
| 08:04.20 | do13_ | www.freewrt.org |
| 08:06.04 | RP | morning all |
| 08:06.13 | do13_ | hey Richard |
| 08:07.31 | hrw|work | hi RP |
| 08:07.34 | hrw|work | do13_: interesting |
| 08:09.48 | do13_ | hrw|work: this is the background: http://openbsd-geek.de/archives/224-An-open-letter-to-the-OpenWrt-community.html |
| 08:09.51 | hrw|work | do13_: it base on openwrt so probably will not want to go to OE |
| 08:13.41 | XOrA | morning |
| 08:13.53 | RP | morning XOrA |
| 08:14.00 | do13_ | hrw|work: well, we should talk to this guys |
| 08:14.04 | do13_ | hi XOrA |
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| 08:20.19 | hrw|work | do13_: added comment |
| 08:20.25 | hrw|work | ~seen koen |
| 08:20.39 | ibot | koen <n=koen@72.22.143.163> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'hey chouimat '. |
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| 08:20.48 | mr_nice | hi all |
| 08:33.26 | ade|desk | morning morning |
| 08:35.42 | myopiate | does anyone know when the gnu toolchain for arm-linux-gnueabi will support armv4t machines? |
| 08:38.23 | RP | myopiate: I'm not sure its a high priority for the people working on the toolchain :-/ |
| 08:39.13 | myopiate | I'll just have to live without it then :'( |
| 08:41.24 | ade|desk | grr bloody 3way meld always messes up |
| 08:46.09 | ade|desk | bbiab |
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| 09:03.15 | hrw|work | I too often forgot that google SoC has wrong name for my student... |
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| 09:12.37 | XorA | hrw|work: I had to chuckle at the accidental SoC email |
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| 09:16.03 | hrw|work | hi liam |
| 09:16.08 | lrg | morning all |
| 09:16.08 | do13_ | hey liam |
| 09:16.27 | XorA | hey lrg |
| 09:16.41 | hrw|work | and his reset monkey |
| 09:16.58 | hrw|work | then will lart JustinP's toys badly |
| 09:17.19 | lrg | XorA, Could you come done to Wolfson after work one night this week. I want to fix the c7x0 audio problem. |
| 09:17.41 | hrw|work | ~kill edb-native |
| 09:17.43 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudoproton gun at edb-native |
| 09:17.43 | XorA | lrg: yes, how about thurs? |
| 09:17.49 | XorA | lrg: wife is out that night |
| 09:18.08 | XorA | lrg: I am totally stupid, Ive been past your office on the 22 millions of times, It just never clicked |
| 09:18.18 | hrw|work | last time edb-native started thousands of gtk-config - ewi got nearly 20k processes working |
| 09:18.24 | lrg | XorA, Thursday is fine, what time suits you ? |
| 09:18.32 | XorA | lrg: Ill finish here at 5 |
| 09:18.46 | lrg | XorA, np |
| 09:20.12 | XorA | lrg: so I just come to door and ask for you? |
| 09:21.04 | lrg | XorA: yes, I'll let the reception know you are coming. |
| 09:21.12 | RP | hi Liam |
| 09:21.15 | XorA | lrg: cool |
| 09:21.57 | lrg | hey Richard, strange that madplay works for some and not others Z's... |
| 09:22.36 | RP | lrg: Could it be there was a problem matching the frequency on the wm8750? |
| 09:23.20 | lrg | RP: I think so. I'll test this soon on my terrier |
| 09:23.52 | RP | lrg: You comment about mplayer's alsa support is itneresting. ALSA support in madplay is also broken |
| 09:24.44 | RP | lrg: I suspec the problem with the c7x0 is we're connecting an input to an output and getting feedback |
| 09:25.08 | lrg | RP: ah, yes. that's probably it |
| 09:25.49 | RP | lrg: Since I can hear it, the input side of things must be using the wrong channel |
| 09:31.56 | lardman|work | morning |
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| 09:41.03 | Laibsch | OK, I really can't get OE working now. I have rm'ed tmp and org.openembedded.dev, checked out the latter again from monotone and restarted compilation. Here is the result: http://oe.pastebin.com/720479 What shall I do now? |
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| 09:45.09 | RP | hrw|work: Is there any reason we couldn't set ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION ?= "1" in openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf? |
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| 09:50.58 | Laibsch | If there were any replies to my problem, sorry I missed them. |
| 09:51.10 | XorA | Laibsch: looks like disk corruption |
| 09:51.25 | Laibsch | Does it? |
| 09:51.41 | Laibsch | Wow, I'll reboot and e2fsck. |
| 09:51.47 | Laibsch | And fast ;-) |
| 09:52.00 | XorA | Laibsch: I get shite like that when my amd64 and ext3 start to disagree |
| 09:57.42 | rwhitby | Anyone know anything about this: |
| 09:57.45 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.46 | rwhitby | TypeError: unpack non-sequence |
| 10:00.57 | hrw|work | RP: I can do that - but prefer to not do it |
| 10:01.41 | RP | hrw|work: Its causing people trying to use the tree a lot of confusing but I can understand that... |
| 10:02.20 | hrw|work | RP: I was thinking about adding check for gcc-3.3/3.4 into distro conf |
| 10:03.35 | RP | hrw|work: sanity.conf might be a better place? |
| 10:03.54 | RP | (and only if ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION is set) |
| 10:04.02 | hrw|work | RP: good idea |
| 10:04.12 | hrw|work | ~lart me for killing ewi with ebd-native |
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| 10:28.14 | mickey|fifa2006 | morning guys |
| 10:28.30 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: been there, done that. edb-native sucks. killed my build machine three times |
| 10:28.56 | hrw|work | mickey|fifa2006: I killed ewi twice with it |
| 10:29.09 | hrw|work | mickey|fifa2006, JustinP: I will drop edb-native from .oz354x probably |
| 10:29.13 | pb_ | hi mickey|fifa2006 |
| 10:29.19 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: newer edb-native seem to fix the bug. i have no problems with 1.0.5.007 |
| 10:29.23 | mickey|fifa2006 | hey pb_ |
| 10:29.37 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: or try removing gtk-config from the build machine |
| 10:30.04 | mickey|fifa2006 | do13,hrw|work: just commented on that freewrt blog entry |
| 10:30.11 | hrw|work | mickey|fifa2006: if I will build gtk1.2 before then I will have it in staging... |
| 10:31.42 | hrw|work | mickey|fifa2006: use vanille-media.de url when commenting ;) |
| 10:31.53 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: ah darn |
| 10:31.54 | do13_ | hi mickey|fifa2006 |
| 10:31.55 | mickey|fifa2006 | habits! |
| 10:32.02 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: will try to remember :) |
| 10:32.30 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw|work: need to find the time to migrate everything over and then vanille.de will be an alias to vanille-media.de |
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| 10:33.40 | mickey|fifa2006 | pb_: how do you rate the performance of your fifa2006 team? are you interested at all? :) |
| 10:34.34 | pb_ | mickey|fifa2006: heh. I'm not terribly interested, but our performance seems fairly poor so far. |
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| 10:34.59 | mickey|fifa2006 | *nod* not like a couple of years ago. perhaps they'll get better once they get further |
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| 10:35.16 | mickey|fifa2006 | wb hrw |
| 10:35.19 | mickey|fifa2006 | wb Laibsch |
| 10:35.28 | pb_ | lots of discussion on the radio a few days ago about whether England could win the world cup without Wayne Rooney. which. frankly, seems like a futile discussion since I doubt they can win it even _with_ Rooney. |
| 10:35.33 | Laibsch | moin mickey|fifa2006 |
| 10:35.43 | pb_ | mickey|fifa2006: yah, let's hope |
| 10:35.49 | hrw|work | mickey|fifa2006: no need to tell 'wb' - my network connection is .... |
| 10:35.49 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: Still watching the game? ;-) |
| 10:36.09 | hrw|work | Laibsch: looped playback ;) |
| 10:36.22 | mickey|fifa2006 | Laibsch: heh. not exactly... more like preparing for 16:00 :D |
| 10:36.40 | Laibsch | early bird catches the worm |
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| 10:40.29 | ade|desk | hmm could england meet germany in the next round ? |
| 10:40.50 | pb_ | yeah |
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| 10:42.26 | pb_ | iirc, england have to play the winner of group a in the first knockout round, iirc |
| 10:42.30 | pb_ | oops, too many iircs |
| 10:42.31 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 10:42.59 | zecke | pb_: hey, you will play against germany |
| 10:43.17 | rwhitby | zecke: anything changed in tinderclient which could be causing our builds to fail? |
| 10:43.18 | pb_ | yeah, that's how it seems |
| 10:43.19 | zecke | and I hope you will be polite guests, and lose... |
| 10:43.29 | pb_ | zecke: the second part seems inevitable. not so sure about the first part. |
| 10:43.55 | zecke | rwhitby: not that I would know, I have been too busy to break anything |
| 10:44.07 | rwhitby | This mean anything to you?: |
| 10:44.11 | rwhitby | File "<bb>", line 19, in tinder_build_start |
| 10:44.29 | rwhitby | TypeError: unpack non-sequence |
| 10:44.37 | zecke | wait a second |
| 10:44.55 | zecke | rwhitby: did you change the local.conf? |
| 10:45.00 | rwhitby | nope |
| 10:45.33 | rwhitby | I did have to blow away the openembedded dir and re-checkout |
| 10:45.51 | rwhitby | (had a monotone merge which could not be done automatic, and I *never* do manual merges. |
| 10:46.00 | rwhitby | but the tmp dirs didn't change |
| 10:46.01 | hrw|work | hi zecke |
| 10:46.12 | zecke | hmm |
| 10:46.34 | hrw|work | rwhitby: ewi is overloaded |
| 10:46.53 | rwhitby | zecke: I haven't tried it without tinderclient yet - just checking to see if you had any initial ideas before I dig deeper. |
| 10:47.06 | rwhitby | hrw|work: yes? |
| 10:47.23 | zecke | rwhitby: ah okay, it might fail to connect ewi... |
| 10:47.30 | rwhitby | (we don't pull from ewi) |
| 10:47.37 | rwhitby | oh, tinderclient. right. |
| 10:47.37 | zecke | rwhitby: tbox is on ewi |
| 10:48.13 | rwhitby | it does hang for a *very* long time before giving that error. |
| 10:48.25 | zecke | rwhitby: ah yeah, I see it |
| 10:48.45 | zecke | rwhitby: tinder_http_post after not connecting to ewi five times |
| 10:49.03 | zecke | it returns 'void' and that is not a 5 tuple :} |
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| 10:49.33 | zecke | rwhitby: probably just turn, tinderclient off for now |
| 10:50.15 | rwhitby | ok |
| 10:51.00 | zecke | ~lart physics assignments... |
| 10:51.12 | zecke | this stupid teacher doesn't get the units right... |
| 10:51.23 | rwhitby | zecke: thanks for the quick debug. tinderclient turned off for nslu2-linux. |
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| 10:54.12 | zecke | hrw|work: can you reach ewi at all? |
| 10:54.23 | zecke | hrw|work: I think -j 300 is too much for it? |
| 10:54.44 | hrw|work | zecke: j4 but its edb-native and I'm trying to reach it all morning |
| 10:56.08 | zecke | hrw|work: I hope my screens are not gone when you are done ;) |
| 10:56.46 | hrw|work | zecke: I suspect OOM war there |
| 10:57.27 | zecke | :( |
| 11:02.21 | mr_nice | Hi, what will be a clever name for packages which are non debain alice(eg base, etc) ? packagename-distribution-version.bb? |
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| 11:08.36 | mr_nice | I'm on the decition between using oe or building up the distribution out of .SlackBuild files but I will first check out how it could be done by using oe. I started writing a slackware tgz image python scrip but to write it I will have to get deeper into oe first. And for this one I have to know if investing time in oe helps me with my project. |
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| 11:16.26 | zecke | mr_nice: debian alice? I do not know what you mean |
| 11:17.04 | mr_nice | zecke:the packages are all in debian style |
| 11:17.19 | mr_nice | zecke:look at the base package |
| 11:17.38 | mr_nice | zecke:there is sysv initstyle and all |
| 11:17.57 | mr_nice | zecke:configuration things are debian alice |
| 11:18.04 | zecke | anyway, I think your agenda is to make OpenSIMpad slackware based |
| 11:18.06 | zecke | so let it be |
| 11:18.15 | mr_nice | zecke:yes |
| 11:18.31 | zecke | what do you mean by alice? my webste doesn't have a meaning for that |
| 11:18.32 | mr_nice | zecke: so how shuld I name the packages? |
| 11:19.13 | mr_nice | zecke: well I am not a english alice could be gossip |
| 11:19.21 | zecke | the same? |
| 11:19.27 | mr_nice | zecke: no |
| 11:19.39 | zecke | just do not use init, and update-rc |
| 11:19.50 | mr_nice | zecke:I have to look into a dictionary |
| 11:19.57 | zecke | mr_nice: use the SlackWare names? |
| 11:19.59 | pb_ | I guess you mean "alike". Alice would be a girl. |
| 11:21.00 | mr_nice | zecke: I want to have a convention if a package exists and slackware did it other in that package. shuld i name the package then programmname-distribution-version.bb? |
| 11:21.44 | mr_nice | yes I think alike is the right name ;) |
| 11:22.06 | zecke | mr_nice: so the difference is the label, other init scripts and other system configuration? |
| 11:22.22 | zecke | mr_nice: but the binaries are the same? |
| 11:22.33 | mr_nice | zecke: yes there are other scripts and other configuration |
| 11:22.40 | zecke | mr_nice: use BBCollections and set PN_slack = "other-better-bigger-name" |
| 11:22.44 | mr_nice | zecke:well not in any case |
| 11:23.01 | zecke | mr_nice: why not use SlackWare directly, if you want SlackWare? |
| 11:23.32 | mr_nice | zecke: there is no embedded slackware at the moment |
| 11:23.43 | mr_nice | zecke: I want to build one for my simpad |
| 11:24.06 | mr_nice | zecke: and I just thought about using oe oer building it with .SlackBuild files |
| 11:24.55 | mr_nice | zecke: There is a "armedslack" but he build it not by crosscompiling he have a ionix which is able to build the hole system |
| 11:25.14 | zecke | so build it on the SIMpad then? |
| 11:25.24 | zecke | or make armdeslack cross compile aware? |
| 11:25.37 | zecke | or just set the PN depending on the package |
| 11:25.47 | zecke | provide alternative configurations |
| 11:26.23 | mr_nice | zecke:I will try it |
| 11:26.25 | zecke | mr_nice: but yes, distribution-name_version.bb is something that is used by familiar already |
| 11:27.47 | mr_nice | zecke: How hard do you think is it to build a package_tgz.bbclass file? |
| 11:28.25 | zecke | mr_nice: how is that different to package_tar? |
| 11:29.25 | mr_nice | zecke:it is a tar.gz file named tgz with direct / and some special files |
| 11:29.40 | mr_nice | zecke: but there is a packaging tool which creates it. |
| 11:29.56 | mr_nice | zecke: mom i will upload something to pastebin |
| 11:29.58 | zecke | mr_nice: easy, but I know this code a bit |
| 11:30.06 | zecke | mr_nice: I need to get some food now |
| 11:30.46 | zecke | later |
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| 11:37.16 | hrw|work | koen_: welcome master |
| 11:39.11 | koen_ | hey hrw|work |
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| 11:40.35 | hrw|work | koen_: ewi got overloaded again ;( |
| 11:51.45 | koen_ | weird |
| 11:52.00 | hrw|work | koen_: edb-native must die |
| 11:52.22 | koen_ | does removing gtk-config help? |
| 11:52.40 | hrw|work | will look tomorrow on my home machine |
| 11:53.30 | hrw|work | and add do_configure_prepend() { cd $STAGING_BINDIR;mv gtk-config gtk-config-} (and viceversa in do_install_append()) probably |
| 11:54.19 | koen_ | breakfast time |
| 11:54.19 | hrw|work | like I made in kdepimpi/do_unstage() |
| 11:54.22 | koen_ | later all |
| 11:54.24 | hrw|work | smacznego koen |
| 12:00.25 | hrw|work | progress.. |
| 12:00.26 | hrw|work | debug1: Next authentication method: publickey |
| 12:00.27 | hrw|work | debug1: Offering public key: /home/hrw/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 12:00.37 | hrw|work | got into that before disconnect... ewi... |
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| 12:25.51 | hrw|work | koen__: ping? |
| 12:25.57 | hrw|work | hi cliff |
| 12:29.35 | cbrake | hrw|work: morning Marcin |
| 12:37.28 | mickeyl | i'm afraid there's nothing you can do remotely |
| 12:37.41 | mickeyl | on the machines i had this fork bomb only manual resetting helped |
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| 12:40.39 | XorA | mickeyl: if you lucky you can sysreq it remotely |
| 12:40.51 | hrw|work | mickeyl: I'm afraid that koen cannot call resetmonkey remotely |
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| 12:42.12 | mickeyl | XorA: cool. how's that working? |
| 12:42.43 | pH5 | mickeyl: as of 0.30 bluez-utils require dbus. are you going to patch it out and keep a nodbus version around for opie? |
| 12:42.45 | XorA | mickeyl: echo b >/proc/kernel/magic_sysreq |
| 12:42.55 | XorA | mickeyl: or wherever that files moves each week |
| 12:43.33 | hrw|work | XorA: if I will get logged in then there would be no problem |
| 12:44.04 | XorA | hrw|work: it does involve some lucky person having root shell still open |
| 12:44.06 | mickeyl | pH5: I don't think so. I'm afraid we will have to stick with the older one for the Opie images for a while :/ |
| 12:44.40 | pH5 | mickeyl: I was just wondering if the bluez-utils-dbus provider should be renamed to just bluez-utils then |
| 12:45.10 | mickeyl | pH5: yeah, that would make sense |
| 12:54.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:54.09 | hrw|work | pH5: remember that it should RPROVIDE bluez-utils-dbus |
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| 12:59.58 | XorA | hrw|work: and RREPLACE? |
| 13:00.32 | hrw|work | and RCONFLICT |
| 13:06.59 | pH5 | hrw|work, XorA: ok. |
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| 13:33.08 | mr_nice | exit |
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| 13:51.31 | Laibsch | Just go a mail from tota from openzaurus-ja. He wants to contribute to OE (which is what I asked them to do ;-)), but does not know how to. I guess this is good news. |
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| 14:03.56 | hrw|work | cool |
| 14:04.14 | zecke | yeah |
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| 14:34.00 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rd15714a2... 10/packages/dreambox/dreambox-dvb-modules.bb: dreambox-dvb-modules/dm7025: update drivers to 20060614 |
| 14:34.05 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rae61dea1... 10/packages/dreambox/dreambox-secondstage.bb: dreambox-secondstage/dm7025: update to secondstage #45 to fix memory corruption when PiP is active |
| 14:34.09 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8a23edc7... 10/packages/initscripts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): initscripts/opendreambox: replace populate-volatile with a tar unpack, remove some other unrequired init scripts to speed up booting |
| 14:34.13 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8b99c0e3... 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/opendreambox/rcS sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit/opendreambox: use hack to display progress on LCD |
| 14:34.17 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rc6275ad3... 10/packages/tuxbox/tuxbox-common.bb: tuxbox-common: remove tuxbox-links as this is handled by populate-volatile, don't use PR for source archive |
| 14:34.22 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r036354ef... 10/packages/hddtemp/ (hddtemp_0.3-beta14.bb hddtemp_0.3-beta15.bb): hddtemp: update to beta15 because old source package moved |
| 14:34.26 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r2b2c23ae... 10/packages/meta/dreambox-image.bb: dreambox-image: remove dvbtune, add bash |
| 14:34.31 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r527588d9... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-dm7025: use new patch with included ioprio backport, nptl fix backport |
| 14:34.35 | CIA-7 | 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r0e641e1e... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.01/keymap_endianess.patch busybox_1.01.bb): busybox-1.01: add patch to fix keymap endianess |
| 14:40.33 | CoreDump|wm06 | hi |
| 14:42.07 | zecke | hey |
| 14:44.55 | zecke | yeah... |
| 14:45.01 | zecke | oh my cat gets angry... |
| 14:46.25 | Laibsch | What is a good file to look at for creating a bb file for a font? |
| 14:46.30 | hrw|work | ttf? |
| 14:46.40 | hrw|work | ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu*.bb |
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| 14:47.31 | Laibsch | It is a qpf font. |
| 14:47.51 | hrw|work | then qpf-fonts/qpf-dejavu*.bb |
| 14:48.02 | hrw|work | Laibsch: cjkv font? |
| 14:48.15 | Laibsch | Strange, I grepped for qpf but that was not returned. |
| 14:48.19 | Laibsch | hrw|work: yes |
| 14:48.26 | Laibsch | http://sourceforge.jp/projects/zaurus-ja/document/unismall_unismall-1.0.0_-_Notes/ |
| 14:48.37 | Laibsch | Nice font, small, just the right size for the display. |
| 14:48.46 | Laibsch | Much better than the current unicode font we have. |
| 14:50.13 | hrw|work | Laibsch: right size for qvga and vga? |
| 14:50.32 | Laibsch | I do not know. |
| 14:50.40 | Laibsch | I have only an SL-5500. |
| 14:50.50 | Laibsch | But the bigger screens are popular in Japan. |
| 14:51.01 | Laibsch | Might work for higher resolution as well. |
| 14:51.10 | Laibsch | It certainly is the right font for the collie. |
| 14:51.21 | hrw|work | let me see |
| 14:52.03 | hrw|work | Laibsch: its '10' size - too small for vga |
| 14:52.14 | Laibsch | But perfect for collie. |
| 14:52.27 | hrw|work | for collie yes |
| 14:52.30 | Laibsch | There is already a 16 size unicode font for higher res. |
| 14:52.34 | Laibsch | That was too big for me. |
| 14:52.40 | hrw|work | yes.. |
| 14:52.56 | hrw|work | Laibsch: too bad that cjkv TTF are so big |
| 14:53.01 | Laibsch | It is certainly not intended as a replacement since judging from the file size it will likely only contain Japanese chars |
| 14:53.14 | hrw|work | it has iso1 and japanese |
| 14:53.20 | Laibsch | That is why I like it, just 100k instead of some Megabytes. |
| 14:53.39 | hrw|work | 200K + 210K - two rotations |
| 14:53.50 | hrw|work | no bold/italic at all |
| 14:53.56 | Laibsch | yes, it can work as default font which is still necessary to use some of the Japanese input methods |
| 14:54.30 | Laibsch | last comment related to iso1 |
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| 14:57.52 | hrw|work | sure |
| 14:57.57 | hrw|work | koen__: re? |
| 14:58.26 | hrw|work | Laibsch: how much work is needed to get cjkv support for opie? I would like to add it in/after 3.5.4.1 |
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| 14:58.58 | Laibsch | hrw|work: It is ready |
| 14:59.02 | Laibsch | I use it. |
| 14:59.10 | Laibsch | Japanese, that is. |
| 14:59.17 | Laibsch | Do not know about Chinese. |
| 14:59.25 | Laibsch | And Vietnames and Korean. |
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| 15:00.19 | Laibsch | Published stuff is at http://vbone.net/oz/ |
| 15:00.28 | hrw|work | Laibsch: if it show J then it should be able to show CKV too - isn't it? |
| 15:00.43 | Laibsch | I would assume, but cannot guarantee. |
| 15:01.01 | Laibsch | Take a look at my screenshot at http://leipzig.leggewie.org |
| 15:02.14 | Laibsch | OK, something is wrong with my playground. |
| 15:02.28 | Laibsch | I'll let you know where to look at a screenshot later. |
| 15:02.32 | koen | hrw|work: what do you thing about 'fixing' libc.so inside OE? |
| 15:02.48 | hrw|work | koen: #define fixing |
| 15:03.11 | koen | hrw|work: make it work without having to edit it |
| 15:03.16 | hrw|work | koen: btw - can you organize resetmonkey for ewi? |
| 15:03.28 | hrw|work | koen: 'AS_NEEDED' stuff? |
| 15:03.33 | Laibsch | hrw|work: AlexTe from http://vbone.net said he wants to push his stuff into OE soon. And I have been contacted by a dev from openzaurus-ja today on how he can get his bb files into OE. Expect something within the week, I'd guess |
| 15:03.48 | hrw|work | Laibsch: great |
| 15:03.48 | zecke | nice |
| 15:03.53 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Look out for the strings pobox, anthy, uim, scim and nunome |
| 15:03.56 | zecke | great is better |
| 15:04.23 | hrw|work | but I will not delay 3.5.4.1 more to give it out-of-box |
| 15:04.33 | Laibsch | hrw|work: I think that is OK. |
| 15:04.55 | Laibsch | Anybody interested in this might know how to update after the release. |
| 15:05.32 | hrw|work | exactly |
| 15:06.05 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Unless you just take the published bb files from http://vbone.net/oz/ for nunome, qpobox and poboxserver. They have been reviewed by quite a few people. |
| 15:06.10 | Laibsch | hrw|work: Up to you. |
| 15:06.23 | koen | put them in the bugtracker so they don't get lost |
| 15:06.48 | hrw|work | Laibsch: it something is not in .dev then it does not exist for .oz354x |
| 15:07.02 | Laibsch | OK |
| 15:07.37 | Laibsch | koen: AlexTe said he was going to do that. I don't want to interfere with his work. Should I put them in? |
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| 15:13.51 | koen | hrw|work: mail to the monkey commander sent |
| 15:14.02 | hrw|work | thx |
| 15:14.44 | koen | hrw|work: have you thought about asking ltg to mirror OZ stuff? |
| 15:14.48 | zecke | hrw|work: you killed my screen? |
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| 15:16.58 | hrw|work | koen: not yet |
| 15:18.21 | hrw|work | my brain just turned off from overheating |
| 15:18.30 | zecke | hrw|work: move to the server room? |
| 15:18.41 | zecke | at least our server room has AC :} |
| 15:19.01 | hrw|work | zecke: our serverroom is ~2km from here |
| 15:19.45 | hrw|work | and our local machine has so little room that noone fits there (30cm x 1m floor size) |
| 15:20.15 | zecke | :( |
| 15:20.28 | zecke | hrw|work: is the meeting room cooled? |
| 15:20.46 | hrw|work | zecke: I have desktop machine not portable |
| 15:28.55 | koen | hmm |
| 15:29.07 | koen | the 'diff.module' for the OE is less than perfect |
| 15:29.15 | koen | but it's better than nothing |
| 15:29.41 | Laibsch | hrw|work: yesterday I sent some screenshots to hh.org: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9720.png and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9848.png in case you are interested. |
| 15:33.40 | Laibsch | BTW hrw|work, CJKV has two aspects to it. Input and display. I would assume that OE/OZ is ready for display of CJKV if the correct font is there. |
| 15:33.53 | hrw|work | Laibsch: I know |
| 15:33.58 | Laibsch | There was nothing I needed to do in that respect. |
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| 15:37.37 | sirfred | Good evening. |
| 15:39.27 | mithro | diff.module? |
| 15:40.18 | koen | mithro: http://drupal.org/node/40414 |
| 15:41.51 | mithro | that still doesn't make much sense to me :) |
| 15:42.26 | mithro | some how i started typing japanese in gnome-terminal, was pretty cool looking but not that useful |
| 15:42.29 | koen | it enables stuff like http://www.openembedded.org/node/20/diff/136/135 |
| 15:42.44 | koen | so you can see change between revision |
| 15:43.05 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 15:43.12 | mithro | it's a website thing |
| 15:43.18 | koen | the problem is that it displays the whole page instead of ~10 lines of context |
| 15:45.12 | mithro | i guess that can be hard in html |
| 15:49.15 | Laibsch | mithro: Are you interested in Japanese on OE/OZ? |
| 15:49.42 | mithro | Laibsch: not at all :) |
| 15:49.59 | mithro | my mum is a little intrested in Japanese on pocket PC |
| 15:50.01 | Laibsch | you should be :-D |
| 15:50.15 | Laibsch | Pocket PC is yucky! |
| 15:50.40 | Laibsch | How did you manage to type Japanese? You have a screenshot? |
| 15:51.00 | Laibsch | mithro: Normally you need special input methods. |
| 15:51.52 | mithro | Laibsch: she doesn't at the moment |
| 15:52.42 | Laibsch | mithro: No, I meant this: "(17:42:25) mithro: some how i started typing japanese in gnome-terminal, was pretty cool looking but not that useful" |
| 15:52.51 | CoreDump|wm06 | =D |
| 15:53.13 | mithro | Laibsch: i have no idea how I did it, it just happened |
| 15:53.28 | mithro | but Japanese/Asian languages are pretty well supported under gnome these days |
| 15:53.42 | Laibsch | Oh, you are talking about your desktop, right? |
| 15:53.56 | Laibsch | Maybe you hit left-shift and space? |
| 15:54.07 | Laibsch | That can be defined as a trigger. |
| 15:54.23 | Laibsch | But there are others, too. |
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| 15:56.29 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:57.19 | mithro | Laibsch: yeah, i meant on my desktop |
| 15:57.33 | mithro | Laibsch: why not work on getting Japanese support into GPE? |
| 15:58.02 | Laibsch | mithro: That is what I am doing, ain't I? ;-) |
| 15:58.14 | mithro | i thought that was opie? |
| 15:58.41 | Laibsch | You need to compile the input methods. I guess they work both on Opie and GPE. |
| 15:59.03 | Laibsch | They are generally not specific to a Windowing system |
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| 16:18.21 | hvontres | it looks like the ewi server is down right now..:( |
| 16:18.35 | hvontres | anybody have a clue when it will be back? |
| 16:19.22 | zecke | hvontres: when the reset monkey, pushed the button |
| 16:19.27 | zecke | hvontres: what do you need from ewi? |
| 16:19.30 | hvontres | never mind, it is just VERY slow today |
| 16:19.48 | zecke | hvontres: -j XX to compile oz3541 |
| 16:20.00 | hvontres | I wanted to check on some packages |
| 16:20.17 | zecke | hvontres: using what kind of service? |
| 16:21.18 | hvontres | I was trying to run "ipkg update" on my Z and wget was timing out. Also, I am trying to look at it with my browser from my pc and it is very slow as well. |
| 16:21.28 | zecke | ah okay |
| 16:21.40 | zecke | yeah ewi is currently down, waiting for the reset monkey to push a button |
| 16:22.02 | hvontres | thanks, will check back later. |
| 16:25.32 | Gerrath | I want to build an external kernel module and see there is already, would the best method of buiding the module (many times during development) be to use the existing module class? |
| 16:26.17 | Laibsch | Where can I read more about the meaning of numbers generally attached to qpf font file names? For example, where is the difference between unismall_100_50.qpf and unismall_100_50_t10.qpf? What do the 100 and 50 stand for in both files? |
| 16:28.57 | Laibsch | I think I might have found something: http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/DejaVu_for_Opie/Qtopia |
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| 16:37.05 | Gerrath | sorry, I just read my own posting and realized I miss typed half of it :) Simple question: What is the best way to build a kernel module in OE if you will be building it frequently (during module development)? |
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| 16:40.34 | lardman|work | Gerrath: bitbake -b /path/to/module.bb ?? |
| 16:41.39 | Gerrath | lardman|work, so make a meta file and use the module.bbclass functions. |
| 16:42.52 | lardman|work | Gerrath: Create a file which builds the module, such spca5xx.bb (though I'm trying to work out why this one doesn't actual produce anything) |
| 16:43.49 | lardman|work | Gerrath: Use inherit module, and copy the do_compile and do_install from that file (for example) |
| 16:44.51 | tmbinc | my automake based library results in a libname.so, libname.a and libname.la in the resulting (non -dev) package. I can see that this is wrong, but what's the correct way to fix that? (how do i produce a .so.1 and symlink?) |
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| 16:53.43 | Gerrath | lardman|work, thanks. |
| 16:54.20 | lardman|work | Gerrath: You may get away without having the do_compile section |
| 16:54.42 | lardman|work | The ratoc driver used to compile okay without needing it |
| 16:54.49 | lardman|work | s/driver/module |
| 16:59.33 | koen | has anyone tried busybox 1.1.3 yet? |
| 17:00.48 | Laibsch | Is there a EASY way to create a symbolic link for all files $NAME-10.qpf and name those link $NAME-16.pqf? |
| 17:02.33 | pH5 | Laibsch: for *-10.qpf; do ln -s $f $(basename $f -10.qpf)-16.pqf; done |
| 17:03.05 | Laibsch | Wow, that seems like magic. I'll try to understand what it does. |
| 17:03.07 | pH5 | there's a "f in" missing after for |
| 17:03.16 | Laibsch | Thanks pH5 |
| 17:03.18 | pH5 | for f in *-10.qpf; do ln -s $f $(basename $f -10.qpf)-16.pqf; done |
| 17:04.39 | pH5 | koen: not yet. does it have the eabi problems fixed? |
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| 17:07.28 | koen | pH5: no idea |
| 17:08.06 | koen | pH5: it does have eabi support |
| 17:08.35 | koen | combined with the recent gcc 4.1.1 patches... |
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| 17:14.13 | Laibsch | pH5: Unfortunately, that does not fully solve the problem. And I can't find the answer in "info coreutils". The filenames might be $NAME-10.qpf, but also $NAME-10-t50.qpf. I would need links to $NAME-16.qpf and $NAME-16-t50.qpf |
| 17:18.39 | lardman|work | night all |
| 17:18.43 | pH5 | Laibsch: how about ln -s $f $(echo $f | sed 's/-10/-16/') |
| 17:18.56 | pH5 | night lardman|gone |
| 17:19.16 | Laibsch | pH5: elegant. Looks like it will do the job. |
| 17:19.25 | Laibsch | I'll give it a shot. |
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| 17:24.07 | Gerrath | if I just want to compile a module to copy over to a running system, I would just use do_compile in my .bb correct? There would be no reason to use do_install() as well? |
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| 17:30.57 | hrw | hi |
| 17:31.15 | woglinde | hi hrw |
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| 17:47.00 | Laibsch | Just got this while compiling, maybe you want to fix this, compilation seems to be possible: ERROR: opie-launcher-settings.inc:15: unparsed line: 'do_inl() {' while parsing /mnt/pfaffe/src/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/opie-launcher-settings/opie-launcher-settings_cvs.bb |
| 17:49.31 | hvontres | zecke: How's that reset monkey donig? |
| 17:50.17 | hrw | hvontres: I think that tomorrow we will get ewi back |
| 17:50.17 | hvontres | Hi CoreDump |
| 17:50.30 | CoreDump|home | hi there |
| 17:50.48 | hvontres | Have you had a chance to play with RP's latest patches on poodle? |
| 17:52.26 | CoreDump|home | which latest patches? I know he merged some but nothing new AFAIK |
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| 17:56.23 | hrw | what do you think about oz-devel-qemu/vmware image? |
| 17:57.26 | bioeng | Hey guys |
| 17:57.26 | bioeng | Do you recommend working on OpenEmbedded if you are an EE student wanting to do power systems and embedded systems? |
| 17:57.37 | CoreDump|home | hrw: wouldn't a LiveCD type thingy better? |
| 17:58.05 | hrw | CoreDump|home: maybe - but I never used them |
| 17:58.11 | ggilbert | Benefit to vmware is not needing to reboot |
| 17:58.16 | CoreDump|home | neither did I =) |
| 17:58.32 | CoreDump|home | ggilbert: drawback is its "speed" compared to the real host OS |
| 17:58.40 | ggilbert | Downside is x86 only |
| 17:59.25 | mickeyl | Laibsch: you know what. that japanese stuff is really great. it may opens a door into the japanese developer world which has unfortunately been more or less close until now |
| 17:59.37 | mickeyl | with all the jap. zaurus folks doing their own thing |
| 17:59.37 | ggilbert | I can't speak for qemu, but vmware at least doesn't have nearly as big a performance hit as you'd think :p |
| 18:00.30 | Laibsch | mickeyl: I am sure it will. |
| 18:00.42 | Laibsch | Did you read my message re tota from openzaurus-ja |
| 18:01.01 | Laibsch | I think they have a bunch of stuff, but they only publish the ipk. |
| 18:01.11 | Laibsch | I hope we get lots of contribs from them. |
| 18:01.13 | bioeng | I'm really wanting to know if I should bother with OpenEmbedded |
| 18:01.13 | bioeng | I'm just trying to break out of being a construction laborer |
| 18:01.58 | mickeyl | Laibsch: excellent |
| 18:02.23 | Laibsch | mickeyl: I hope that maybe I can bridge the two communities a bit. This is certainly also a language issue. PLus, one about culture. Japanese are hesitant afraid of situations and people they do not know. |
| 18:02.41 | Laibsch | hesitant and afraid |
| 18:03.52 | Laibsch | mickeyl: Thanks for the thumbs up. I am glad I can give back (while really doing it for purely selfish reasons only ;-)) |
| 18:03.59 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:04.29 | hvontres | anybody know of any how-to's on setting up kexec to switch between 2.6 and 2.4? |
| 18:04.53 | hrw | hvontres: boot 2.6 then "kexec -l kernel;sync;kexec -e" |
| 18:04.57 | Laibsch | bioeng: What exactly is your question? If you have one of the supported devices, I think OE is certainly a good choice. |
| 18:05.16 | bioeng | I don't have any embedded devices |
| 18:05.36 | Laibsch | bioeng: Where does your interest in openembedded come from, then? |
| 18:05.44 | bioeng | but I'd like to get into embedded as an EE specialization |
| 18:05.47 | hvontres | hrw: where do you get the 2.4 kernel from? |
| 18:06.04 | hrw | hvontres: from OZ? |
| 18:06.57 | hvontres | hrw: Sorry, I meant where do I install the 2.4 kernel to? |
| 18:07.15 | hrw | hvontres: anywhere in filesystem |
| 18:07.28 | hrw | hvontres: it can even be famous /stuff/ |
| 18:07.43 | hvontres | Do I just copy over the zimage.bin file then? |
| 18:07.54 | hrw | yes |
| 18:08.07 | CoreDump|home | hvontres: copy it anywhere, really. It doesn't matter |
| 18:08.38 | hvontres | ok. And can I use Altboot to keep my 2.4 setup on SD? |
| 18:09.01 | CoreDump|home | that should work yes |
| 18:09.10 | hvontres | Cool...:) |
| 18:09.45 | hvontres | Probably should do a NAND Backup to be sure tho...:) |
| 18:11.21 | kergoth | bioeng: OE is just a tool. it's a useful tool for building and maintaining the linux distribution that you'll use on the target device. that's all. it isn't a very suitable development tool. when you've got a device you want to run linux on, and have a kernel that boots on it, then grab OE and use that to produce a cohesive linux distro for it. |
| 18:11.36 | kergoth | bioeng: until then, it isnt going to help you |
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| 18:15.13 | achim71000 | hi |
| 18:16.08 | achim71000 | i have a problem with getting oe with monotone |
| 18:16.53 | achim71000 | if i try to checkout the development branch i get a note that my db is not up to date and i should try migration |
| 18:17.20 | achim71000 | did that but now it claims missing catalog |
| 18:17.33 | woglinde | what version of monotone do you use? |
| 18:17.38 | achim71000 | stuck here, can someone help me fix this |
| 18:17.38 | woglinde | which |
| 18:17.41 | achim71000 | 0.27 |
| 18:17.45 | woglinde | boing |
| 18:17.49 | achim71000 | tried 0.26 before |
| 18:17.52 | woglinde | use 0.25 and you are fine |
| 18:18.02 | achim71000 | k i'll try than |
| 18:18.03 | woglinde | no migration to the newer until now |
| 18:19.32 | achim71000 | aha i guess i did not read the note on the news carefully enought |
| 18:19.38 | achim71000 | thank you |
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| 18:46.45 | hvontres | ~seen RP |
| 18:46.57 | ibot | rp is currently on #gpe (6d 8h 5m 26s) #oe (6d 8h 5m 26s) #openzaurus (6d 8h 5m 26s) #handhelds.org (6d 8h 5m 26s). Has said a total of 277 messages. Is idling for 6h 54m 3s, last said: 'The charge light is a better indicator'. |
| 18:52.56 | Gerrath | When I build a module with the module.bbclass does the module source have to be in the kernel source tree or can it be external? |
| 18:53.41 | hrw | can be external |
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| 18:57.52 | Gerrath | hrw, if I'm just compiling the module "hello.ko" I should just the the do_compile() and not do_install() correct? again I just want to compile it and manually copy it to the active system. |
| 18:59.16 | hrw | Gerrath: iirc do_compile() should be enough |
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| 19:08.07 | hrw | tried vmware-player and decided to go back to qemu (with kqemu accelator) |
| 19:11.36 | Gerrath | I'm trying to put together a very simple kernel module example: the typical "hello world", which I will post on the wiki when I'm done :) Here is my Makefile: http://pastebin.com/721601 and .bb file: http://pastebin.com/721600 When I run "bitbake -b hello.bb -ccompile" it seems to work but there is no output file. hello.ko or hello.o |
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| 19:20.47 | hrw | fsck.. |
| 19:20.59 | hrw | even qemu fails with sigsegv |
| 19:22.23 | hrw | ~curse my home desktop machine |
| 19:22.25 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, my home desktop machine ! |
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| 19:23.55 | RP | hrw: It would be nice to know why qemu segfaults... |
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| 19:24.13 | hrw | RP: with or qithout kqemu? |
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| 19:24.42 | hrw | last try and I will give up |
| 19:24.55 | hrw | btw - 2.6.17-ck1 stinks like 2.6.17-rc5 |
| 19:25.15 | hrw | or my desktop is toooo unstable |
| 19:26.32 | hrw | I also suspect that qemu has problems with my 8 years old dvd drive as 'cdrom' |
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| 19:26.42 | RP | 2.6.17 seems fine on the Zaurus... :) |
| 19:27.19 | RP | It sounds like your qemu issues aren't the ones I was thinking off (the ones FC users keep running into) |
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| 19:31.59 | hrw | FSCK! |
| 19:32.32 | hrw | die qemu! die! |
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| 19:34.50 | woglinde | jo koen |
| 19:36.06 | raduga | ~lart qemu |
| 19:36.32 | hrw | I used 40x25 terminal few years ago |
| 19:38.32 | hrw | over 2400 nullmodem link without even xon/xoff |
| 19:39.57 | raduga | hrw: trs80 coco / 32x16 at 300 bps |
| 19:40.09 | raduga | hrw: though, it was "quite a few" years ago |
| 19:40.40 | hrw | raduga: I did that 5 years ago. c128d connected via nullmodem to my amiga |
| 19:40.54 | raduga | and, hm. 40x25 on an HP48 |
| 19:41.22 | raduga | (which I thought was the most amazing handheld in the world, at the time ;) |
| 19:41.23 | hrw | raduga: we used 2400 because we lacked terminal for c128 and had only c64 terms. first thing which we transfered was terminal for c128 so we got 80x25 and 9600 |
| 19:42.51 | raduga | hrw: *nod* |
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| 19:55.42 | hrw | raduga: not to mention fact that my first 2 years of internet was HP2623A terminal connected to sunos machine over 9600 |
| 19:59.52 | Crofton | Go England! |
| 20:00.14 | woglinde | crofton hehe |
| 20:00.38 | Crofton | I actually know little about football |
| 20:02.36 | Gerrath | ah, figured out my module issue :-) the variable for the kernel source was pointing to the staging area and not the work area. You need the work area since the raw source for the kernel is there :-) |
| 20:03.47 | hvontres | ~curse Bill Gates |
| 20:03.48 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Bill Gates ! |
| 20:06.06 | hrw | Gerrath: no - you cannot rely on tmp/work |
| 20:06.51 | Gerrath | hrw, I wonder why the tmp/staging does not compile the module? |
| 20:08.59 | Gerrath | hrw, so then KERNELDIR=${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR} should be correct? |
| 20:09.19 | koen | Gerrath: yes |
| 20:10.33 | hrw | re after 2 reboots |
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| 20:15.56 | Gerrath | koen, when I set it to STAGING_KERNEL_DIR bitbake gives no errors during the compile but there are no files generated, if I point KERNELDIR to the tmp/work directory for the kernel then everything builds. |
| 20:16.23 | Gerrath | koen, everything being hello.ko and hello.o |
| 20:17.43 | hrw | koen: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit |
| 20:18.17 | Crofton | boo |
| 20:19.21 | goxboxlive | is there a repo that have konquereror-embedded wich doesnt depends on libqte2? |
| 20:20.40 | hrw | no |
| 20:22.07 | goxboxlive | hrw: Ok, so you have to build opie without QT-mt otherwhise konquereror-embedded will not work? right? |
| 20:22.43 | hrw | dont know - no .de build here |
| 20:22.55 | goxboxlive | no thats right. |
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| 20:47.11 | Crofton | yay! |
| 20:47.33 | zecke | Crofton: finally connected? |
| 20:47.41 | Crofton | heh |
| 20:47.49 | Crofton | no watching England on google |
| 20:47.52 | Crofton | :) |
| 20:48.16 | Crofton | I have to write a report |
| 20:48.47 | zecke | about that game? |
| 20:48.58 | Crofton | no about some stuff I am working on |
| 20:49.04 | hrw | someone know webapp (php preferred) which support read/write of ICal calendars? |
| 20:49.07 | Crofton | no fun |
| 20:49.28 | woglinde | php? |
| 20:49.31 | hrw | I want to get rid 'calendar on imap via kmail' stuff |
| 20:49.51 | hrw | ~lart kdepim for lack of kdepimd |
| 20:50.33 | zecke | hrw: hula? |
| 20:50.45 | zecke | hrw: I think only services for the mac support CalDav to store ical |
| 20:50.50 | hrw | I had to remove kopete from session because it need kaddressbook access which need kmail running to get access to my 'contacts on imap via kmail' which means that I get kontact + kmail each time |
| 20:51.05 | hrw | which suxx |
| 20:51.24 | zecke | yupp |
| 20:51.39 | zecke | hrw: I thought this kmail needs to be open thing was fixed |
| 20:51.49 | zecke | hrw: but probably this was fixed by introducing kontact |
| 20:51.54 | hrw | zecke: maybe in kde 5.0.3 but not in 3.5.3 |
| 20:52.15 | hrw | zecke: kopete start before kontact and launch kmail automatically |
| 20:52.24 | ggilbert_ | hrw: yeah that was really really annoying |
| 20:52.32 | ggilbert_ | konversation used to do the same thing |
| 20:52.55 | hrw | every desktop-enviroment suxx but kde suxx less |
| 20:52.59 | hrw | but still suxx |
| 20:53.14 | ggilbert_ | Wasn't this something that was going to be looked at as part of kdepim4? |
| 20:53.34 | zecke | ggilbert_: Anakondi, a PIM daemon |
| 20:53.40 | hrw | running LDAP somewhere would be an option probably but I cannot run it |
| 20:53.40 | ggilbert_ | I could have sworn they were talking about pulling that sort of thing out of kmail and into a seperate daemon |
| 20:53.43 | ggilbert_ | yeah that thing |
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| 20:53.54 | zecke | hrw: guess what: Anakondi uses a IMAP like protocol |
| 20:54.13 | hrw | zecke: imap like or imap? |
| 20:54.13 | ggilbert_ | hrw: In the end, I found the pim over imap thing just didn't work very well |
| 20:54.20 | zecke | hrw: imap like |
| 20:54.39 | zecke | well, I liked and liked the design of evolution |
| 20:54.54 | zecke | the wombat, later e-d-s worked and were designed! |
| 20:55.05 | hrw | ggilbert_: I do not have laptop to get my PIM data with me anywhere (PDA does not count) so I want to keep all PIM data in one place. currently imap-over-kmail is the only option |
| 20:55.35 | ggilbert_ | hrw: I just found that I'd remove something and it would magically reappear later on. |
| 20:55.55 | hrw | ggilbert_: yep - that suxx too |
| 20:56.23 | ggilbert_ | My hope is for something like opengroupware that just doesnt suck |
| 20:57.40 | ggilbert_ | that and good syncing |
| 20:59.05 | hrw | looks like I will be able to buy nice laptop rather then 'good syncing' will arrive |
| 20:59.29 | ggilbert_ | hehe |
| 21:01.35 | CIA-13 | 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * rd43467c2... 10/packages/python/ (python-pexpect_0.99.bb python-pexpect_2.1.bb): python-pexpect 2.1: update to latest version 0.99 -> 2.1 |
| 21:04.44 | zecke | hrw: get a n770, and demand syncing from o-hand.com :} |
| 21:05.04 | ggilbert_ | I'm tempted to pick up an n770 |
| 21:05.14 | ggilbert_ | but I dont know if it would be useful |
| 21:05.32 | ggilbert_ | What I'd really like is a linux smartphone |
| 21:05.46 | hrw | zecke: for 150% of n770 price I can get new lowend laptop - what will I choose? |
| 21:06.04 | hrw | n770 is ~1600 pln brand new in Poland |
| 21:06.07 | zecke | hrw: save the money |
| 21:06.13 | ggilbert_ | but not one of those motorola qpe things |
| 21:06.24 | zecke | hrw: and buy something nice for ania (mis-spelled once again?) |
| 21:06.45 | hrw | Ania |
| 21:07.08 | incinerator | hi, is ewi546.ewi..... down atm? |
| 21:07.34 | zecke | incinerator: dunno, it might still live |
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| 21:07.52 | zecke | guys, good nite |
| 21:08.07 | hrw | n8 zecke |
| 21:08.09 | ggilbert_ | hmmm, what was that ipaq france was working on? |
| 21:08.13 | incinerator | well, ping doesn't come back... |
| 21:08.36 | zecke | ggilbert_: good question, one with a phone inside |
| 21:08.49 | zecke | if we talk about the same thing |
| 21:09.02 | kergoth | nokia 770 looks like a cool toy |
| 21:09.07 | kergoth | but i dunno if itd actually be useful beyond that |
| 21:09.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09.14 | zecke | hehe |
| 21:09.17 | zecke | cya |
| 21:09.22 | kergoth | not unlike the zaurus in that respect, actually :P |
| 21:09.23 | RP | CoreDump|home: Is there anything in altboot that would mess around with the rtc? |
| 21:09.46 | hrw | kergoth: when did you last time used your Z? |
| 21:09.56 | CoreDump|home | Hmm, I don't remember messing with RTC |
| 21:10.16 | kergoth | they're in my closet in minnesota. i probably havent touched them since i was in texas.. and no much then |
| 21:10.29 | kergoth | its been around, what, nearly a year since i was in texas |
| 21:10.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:11.05 | hrw | ;D |
| 21:11.28 | RP | CoreDump|home: Ok, I'm just trying to rule out things. If altboot doesn't touch it, I'm beginning to wonder what does,,, :) |
| 21:11.49 | hrw | RP: boot with "init=/bin/sh sh"? |
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| 21:12.38 | hrw | ~seen thejapa |
| 21:12.52 | ibot | thejapa <n=thejapa@200-232-210-201.dsl.telesp.net.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8d 20h 46m 25s ago, saying: 'JustinP: nvm, thanks anyway !'. |
| 21:14.19 | _law_|iBook | :q |
| 21:14.21 | hrw | ~seen ue |
| 21:14.23 | ibot | ue <n=uE@d13.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 137d 20h 38m 7s ago, saying: ''night all'. |
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| 21:26.03 | hrw | re after another fscking reboot |
| 21:26.32 | hrw | ~lart xfs for fsck.xfs == /bin/true |
| 21:27.23 | hrw | ~lart this machine |
| 21:27.55 | hrw | tomorrow I will leave it with memtest86 for few hours - and it will pass.. cpu is not overheating but machine is failing |
| 21:28.15 | hvontres | hrw: But Tell us, how do you realy feel about your machine :) |
| 21:28.20 | woglinde | hrw hm harddisk check? |
| 21:28.34 | woglinde | hrw memtest86 not always find errors |
| 21:29.06 | hrw | woglinde: S.M.A.R.T tests passed |
| 21:32.57 | hrw | hvontres: I dont like it but have to live with it |
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| 21:33.03 | bioengine | OK I'm back |
| 21:33.22 | bioengine | Hey, would OpenEmbedded be a good project for someone interested in embedded systems as an EE specialization |
| 21:33.33 | hrw | hvontres: no spare cash to replace it |
| 21:33.34 | Crofton | probably |
| 21:34.12 | Crofton | bioengine, it is a good way to produce sw for such systems |
| 21:34.25 | hrw | bioengine: like you was told already: OE is buildsystem to generate linux based distributions. it does not cover hardware parts |
| 21:34.37 | kergoth | nor does it cover porting the linux kernel to the device |
| 21:34.58 | Crofton | bioengine, it is a good way to keep track of what work you have done |
| 21:35.02 | hrw | porting linux to embedded device is #elinux iirc |
| 21:35.34 | hvontres | Know the Feeling (dual PII :) ) |
| 21:35.47 | bioengine | Oh |
| 21:35.50 | Crofton | oe doesn't make embedded system easier |
| 21:35.58 | Crofton | it just makes them repeatable |
| 21:36.26 | hrw | hvontres: its quite fast machine (athlonxp 1.8GHz, 1G ram, 120G hdd) but unstable too much |
| 21:36.37 | bioengine | I guess OE isn't on my skill level |
| 21:36.45 | bioengine | It requires compiler theory and such |
| 21:37.08 | hrw | bioengine: I'm core devel and know nearly nothing about toolchains internals |
| 21:38.02 | bioengine | I'm trying to find a good software project for me to participate on as an electrical engineer |
| 21:38.25 | bioengine | I was wanting to do embedded since that was closest to EE |
| 21:38.34 | hrw | bioengine: PCB designer tools? Schematic designer tools? |
| 21:38.51 | bioengine | I don't know very much about embedded, and am trying to learn |
| 21:39.12 | bioengine | I was not allowed to go somewhere where EE jobs were |
| 21:39.25 | bioengine | so I'm trying to look at open source |
| 21:40.54 | bioengine | Oh |
| 21:41.03 | bioengine | I guess OE wasn't what I thought it was |
| 21:41.06 | bioengine | Sigh |
| 21:41.17 | bioengine | I just want to tell people at school that I have work experience |
| 21:41.28 | bioengine | because they hammer that heavily |
| 21:41.46 | bioengine | and I have to stay home to take care of my family |
| 21:41.57 | bioengine | I can't go off hundreds of miles for a job |
| 21:45.53 | hvontres | hrw: good luck getting your machine fixed :) Now get some sleep ;D |
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| 21:47.11 | bioengine | OK |
| 21:47.17 | bioengine | Any comments before I leave? |
| 21:47.30 | bioengine | I'd just like to find a project to work on to get me EE experience |
| 21:47.31 | hrw | hvontres: to get it fixed I would have to get idea what need fixing first. |
| 21:47.58 | hrw | EE sounds like hardware work for me. OE is software |
| 21:48.03 | hrw | and I need sleep - cu |
| 21:49.44 | bioengine | I need to get software experience |
| 21:49.55 | bioengine | because so much of the EE program is software |
| 21:59.04 | koen | EE rules |
| 21:59.36 | bioengine | I agree koen |
| 21:59.42 | bioengine | Are you an electrical engineer? |
| 22:00.21 | koen | I did opt for "getting paid" instead of "getting credits" for my uni OE work |
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| 22:01.20 | bioengine | Are you an EE, koen? |
| 22:01.30 | koen | not yet |
| 22:02.34 | koen | time for food |
| 22:02.34 | koen | later all |
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| 22:40.32 | CIA-13 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2ba8efd3... 10/packages/zroadmap/ (zroadmap_1.0.8.bb zroadmap_1.0.12.bb files/qt2-fixes.patch): zroadmap: upgrade 1.0.8 -> 1.0.12, take optional qte multithreading into account |
| 22:40.46 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: You're still working? |
| 22:41.07 | mickey|fifa2006 | just upgrading one package and then bed calls |
| 22:41.13 | mickey|fifa2006 | g'night :) |
| 22:41.21 | Laibsch | Tosa's stuff can be gotten from http://openzaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/index.php?tota |
| 22:41.30 | Laibsch | I entered a few in the BTS. |
| 22:41.33 | mickey|fifa2006 | cool. i'll have a look at that. thanks |
| 22:41.45 | Laibsch | MAybe you wanna take a look tomorrow. |
| 22:41.47 | Laibsch | G'nite |
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