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| 00:13.36 | bioeng | Hi everyone |
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| 00:19.53 | kergoth | jacques: hey |
| 00:20.07 | jacques | howdy kergoth |
| 00:20.23 | kergoth | how ya been? |
| 00:22.11 | bioeng | Hi kergoth |
| 00:22.18 | jacques | pretty good. have a job I really like. living near old friends. |
| 00:22.30 | jacques | how about you? didn't you just move in march? |
| 00:22.43 | bioeng | What is your job, jacques? |
| 00:22.45 | kergoth | nice |
| 00:22.49 | kergoth | i move quite a bit |
| 00:22.56 | kergoth | went from texas back to mn, then from mn to phoenix |
| 00:22.59 | kergoth | tis hot |
| 00:23.30 | jacques | heh, but at least it's a dry heat (unlike here) |
| 00:23.41 | kergoth | yea, just feel like you're slowing baking |
| 00:23.44 | kergoth | rather than having to swim to the car |
| 00:23.47 | jacques | bioeng, I'm doing embedded linux now |
| 00:23.59 | bioeng | You're working for a company? |
| 00:24.15 | bioeng | Getting paid? |
| 00:24.22 | bioeng | Or is it volunteer? |
| 00:25.36 | jacques | I'm actually working for a real company, getting paid :-) |
| 00:25.58 | kergoth | and you actually like it, hold on to that ;) |
| 00:27.13 | jacques | yeah, I like what I'm doing, people I'm working with, etc. |
| 00:27.18 | jacques | it's nice |
| 00:27.29 | bioeng | You're a software engineer? |
| 00:27.47 | jacques | bioeng, yes, that's my position title :-) |
| 00:27.55 | bioeng | Wow! |
| 00:28.05 | bioeng | My friend is an embedded software engineer at Boeing |
| 00:28.11 | bioeng | I really look up to her |
| 00:28.19 | bioeng | because she is so successful |
| 00:28.29 | kergoth | i like my coworkers here, but i cant say i'm happy with the work environment |
| 00:28.47 | kergoth | jacques: i'm working with russ from #elinux nowadays |
| 00:29.12 | jacques | kergoth, ah cool - I should visit #elinux more |
| 00:29.25 | jacques | I'm working with a really good friend of 20 years |
| 00:31.09 | bioeng | Well, I'm working to graduate with my EE degree |
| 00:31.15 | kergoth | jacques: ah nice |
| 00:31.20 | CosmicPenguin | today has sucked |
| 00:31.24 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:31.25 | CosmicPenguin | everything just stopped working |
| 00:31.28 | kergoth | :( |
| 00:31.30 | jacques | ouch |
| 00:31.40 | CosmicPenguin | it was so good this morning too ... :) |
| 00:31.43 | jacques | I am familiar with that phenomenon. |
| 00:31.43 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.infradead.org/~jcrouse/olpc-screenshot.jpg |
| 00:31.45 | bioeng | Since I admire my friend so much because everyone has treated her so nicely in school (better than me), I'm working towards getting into embedded |
| 00:31.57 | kergoth | i should leave early, stuck here for another 1.5 hours |
| 00:32.08 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: nice! |
| 00:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: notice the banner? :) |
| 00:32.31 | kergoth | hehe, yep |
| 00:32.47 | bioeng | Is an EE degree good for embedded, guys? |
| 00:32.58 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't hurg |
| 00:33.01 | CosmicPenguin | s/hurg/hurt/ |
| 00:33.05 | kergoth | hehe, source: not found. typical shell script under busybox error |
| 00:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - thats my bad |
| 00:33.33 | kergoth | EE would help on the writing drivers side of things. i've often wished i knew hardware better |
| 00:33.35 | CosmicPenguin | at least I killed the script that was trying to rm -rf /tmp |
| 00:33.36 | bioeng | Is Boeing a good place to work? |
| 00:36.21 | bioeng | Would Boeing be a good place to work? |
| 00:36.38 | jacques | bioeng, like all huge companies there are probably great divisions to work for and not so great |
| 00:37.16 | jacques | other than that I have no first hand knowledge |
| 00:37.20 | bioeng | I need to do embedded so people will treat me as wonderful as they did my friend |
| 00:37.32 | bioeng | They treated her like royalty |
| 00:37.38 | jacques | heh |
| 00:37.46 | bioeng | The administration made sure she got a scholarship and job from them |
| 00:37.56 | bioeng | The engineering college administration that is |
| 00:37.59 | jacques | well at my company we get free donuts on fridays |
| 00:37.59 | CosmicPenguin | thats scary embedded |
| 00:38.05 | kergoth | embedded folks are in demand, i'll say that much. i've never had trouble finding a job, though it often involves moving |
| 00:38.08 | CosmicPenguin | like, you screw up, people die type of embedded |
| 00:38.13 | kergoth | heh, scary indeed |
| 00:38.29 | CosmicPenguin | I screw up, a MP3 skipps |
| 00:38.31 | bioeng | My friend majored in computer engineering in college |
| 00:38.35 | jacques | if I screw up, oil might cost more |
| 00:39.18 | bioeng | I'm struggling because my dad does not approve of me being an EE |
| 00:39.30 | bioeng | He makes me work as a construction laborer all the time |
| 00:39.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:39.46 | jacques | you gotta do what makes you happy |
| 00:39.54 | kergoth | my dad would be dancing for joy if i was an EE |
| 00:39.57 | jacques | once you are an adult, you are responsible for yourself |
| 00:40.05 | bioeng | What makes me happy is to emulate my friend |
| 00:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | in 1992, my parents questioned my choice to be a CS major, in 1998, they took all the credit |
| 00:40.33 | kergoth | hahah |
| 00:40.34 | bioeng | I don't mean to sound weird or anything |
| 00:40.34 | jacques | lol |
| 00:40.55 | bioeng | It's just that people at school did not treat me very well |
| 00:40.58 | jacques | I started as EE but switched to CS after two years |
| 00:41.02 | bioeng | And this is a college |
| 00:41.09 | bioeng | They all acted like kids |
| 00:41.38 | bioeng | They started by telling the engineering administration untrue things about me |
| 00:41.54 | bioeng | That got them wanting to kick me out according to some |
| 00:42.09 | bioeng | Then I got invited to the engineering honor society Tau Beta Pi |
| 00:42.33 | bioeng | No one gave me a chance, they wouldn't meet me or talk to me, and they rejected me because "we don't know you" |
| 00:42.39 | bioeng | School has been hard |
| 00:43.33 | bioeng | But I'm working to put my life back together |
| 00:44.02 | bioeng | And I have to hand it to the IRC community: you guys have treated me much better than the people at school |
| 00:44.19 | bioeng | So what do you think, guys? |
| 00:44.24 | bioeng | I hope I didn't offend anyone |
| 00:45.34 | bioeng | I'm sorry |
| 00:45.35 | kergoth | personally, i think you should be more realistic. once you're out of college, what are you go into isn't going to suddenly get you treated better. embedded development isnt some magic bullet to a better life, its just a career. |
| 00:46.37 | bioeng | Well |
| 00:46.57 | bioeng | It's looking more like I'll be an entrepreneur after graduation |
| 00:47.07 | bioeng | with my civil and electrical engineering degrees in a year and a half |
| 00:48.40 | bioeng | The same guy who got my friend her job at Boeing told me I need to be an entrepreneur |
| 00:50.03 | bioeng | I'm looking into doing something with embedded in my entreprenurial career |
| 00:50.33 | bioeng | possibly in a business in structural system monitoring using electronics |
| 00:51.01 | bioeng | I'm also looking into going to UIUC for a master's |
| 00:52.16 | bioeng | Did I offend anyone? |
| 00:52.19 | bioeng | I'm sorry if I did |
| 00:53.37 | bioeng | Can someone respond please? |
| 00:53.41 | bioeng | I'm very sorry |
| 00:53.46 | bioeng | I didn't mean to offend anyone |
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| 00:54.46 | jacques | not offended, just dunno what to say |
| 00:54.55 | bioeng | OK |
| 00:55.01 | bioeng | Hmmmm |
| 00:55.25 | bioeng | What kinds of things is embedded systems used in? |
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| 00:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | I can't cause any more damage around this popsicle stand |
| 00:57.43 | bioeng | jacques, what kinds of products are you working on? |
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| 01:00.30 | jacques | seismic acquisition systems |
| 01:01.17 | bioeng | That kind of relates to civil engineering |
| 01:01.29 | bioeng | I'm a civil engineering major as well |
| 01:01.48 | bioeng | Of course, I'd like to use embedded systems in civil engineering monitoring systems |
| 01:02.06 | jacques | yes I can see the similarities |
| 01:02.11 | bioeng | But I do want to take advantage of every entrepreneurial opportunity I can with both engineering degrees |
| 01:02.30 | bioeng | Would you know anything about structural monitoring systems? |
| 01:04.10 | jacques | no, sorry. I don't really know much abou seismic other than what I've picked up in the last few months |
| 01:09.33 | bioeng | You had to pick it up in order to program the algorithims that drive the equipment? |
| 01:10.34 | jacques | well we have a whole dept of scientists and mathematicians to design the algos |
| 01:10.59 | bioeng | Oh |
| 01:11.28 | bioeng | They communicate the requirements to you and you program the algos? |
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| 01:13.22 | jacques | yep |
| 01:14.21 | bioeng | What programming language do you use? |
| 01:15.12 | bioeng | For programming that stuff |
| 01:15.46 | jacques | C |
| 01:16.08 | jacques | some assembler |
| 01:16.40 | bioeng | What architechture? |
| 01:16.59 | bioeng | And is the company you work for a large company? |
| 01:17.59 | jacques | medium sized, powerpc (at the moment) |
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| 01:50.51 | emte | ... |
| 01:51.57 | emte | bioeng is getting a degree in elec eng and is asking what sort of devices are embedded? |
| 01:52.14 | emte | must be a high quality degree |
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| 06:47.01 | hvontres | :ibot seen RP |
| 06:48.03 | hvontres | ibot: RP? |
| 06:48.39 | eFfeM-away | hvontres: ~seen RP |
| 06:48.50 | eFfeM-away | ~seen RP |
| 06:49.02 | ibot | rp is currently on #gpe (2d 20h 7m 31s) #oe (2d 20h 7m 31s) #openzaurus (2d 20h 7m 31s) #handhelds.org (2d 20h 7m 31s). Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 18h 5m 18s, last said: 'slaine_: Yes, it will try and cross compile'. |
| 06:49.02 | hvontres | thanks |
| 06:49.02 | hvontres | ~seen RP |
| 06:49.04 | ibot | rp is currently on #gpe (2d 20h 7m 33s) #oe (2d 20h 7m 33s) #openzaurus (2d 20h 7m 33s) #handhelds.org (2d 20h 7m 33s). Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 18h 5m 20s, last said: 'slaine_: Yes, it will try and cross compile'. |
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| 08:11.34 | cyrilRomain | morning |
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| 09:50.07 | mr_nice | hi all |
| 09:57.02 | mr_nice | After fixing my monotone problems I was able to test the MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION variable as I promised. Here is my local.conf (http://pastebin.com/714536) and here is the resulting error (http://pastebin.com/714534). Monotone database version b1413be68019496f10dcfa8c854fd6644adecd93. |
| 09:58.21 | mr_nice | ibot:botmail read |
| 09:59.03 | mr_nice | sorry I will never learn to use ibot I thik *g. How to get the ibot manpage? |
| 10:02.03 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: you should use bitbake command from the build/ directory, not from build/conf/ |
| 10:03.16 | cyrilRomain | did you correctly set the BBPATH and added bitbake to the PATH ? (see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted in case) |
| 10:04.11 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain:mom |
| 10:05.14 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: here are my Variables (http://pastebin.com/714558) |
| 10:06.08 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: they shuld fit and due to the variables the path where I set up the bitbake command shuld be unimportant. |
| 10:07.27 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: hum... strange then .. |
| 10:07.31 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: I think it is just because the changes arn't prooven. |
| 10:08.02 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: they have changed them 2 days ago and I shuld test them - I only want to report the result. |
| 10:08.43 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: what changes ? (sorry I was not on OE for 3 days) |
| 10:09.44 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: they changed the ZKERNEL variable which was only for zaurus to MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION, which shuld do for other devices, too. |
| 10:10.21 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: and the simpad.conf file. |
| 10:10.34 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: ok thx |
| 10:11.12 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain:do you know how to get the ibot manpage? I have forgoten how to get it |
| 10:12.16 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: no sorry, maybe ibot: help ? |
| 10:13.31 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: do you have the conf/include/simpad-2.6.conf file ? |
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| 10:13.55 | zecke | hey |
| 10:14.11 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: hum ... it should be in conf/machine/include/simpad-2.6.conf i guess, not in conf/include/simpad-2.6.conf |
| 10:14.14 | cyrilRomain | hey zecke |
| 10:14.24 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain:there is no simpad-2.6.conf file and tere shuldn't be one |
| 10:14.49 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: ther is only one simpad.conf file for both kernels |
| 10:14.56 | zecke | first day since weeks a feel a bit relaxed |
| 10:15.06 | mr_nice | zecke:hi |
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| 10:17.07 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: It is just due to unprooven changes |
| 10:17.30 | cyrilRomain | mr_nice: ok, no clue then |
| 10:18.10 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain: no mater as I told you I just wanted to report that I have tested it and there are thoose errors |
| 10:18.45 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain:meenwhile I use my own simpad.conf and local.con files |
| 10:18.56 | mr_nice | cyrilRomain:but manx thx |
| 10:24.46 | mr_nice | which version controll system could I use for homeuse? I want to have my own local org.openembedded.dev and i don't want to mess my monotone twice *g |
| 10:26.10 | zecke | mr_nice: monotone and keep a local branch |
| 10:26.26 | zecke | or even just a local db :) |
| 10:29.39 | mr_nice | zecke: I will try. BTW: I have forgotten how to get the ibot help page - cloud you say me please how to get it? |
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| 10:32.07 | zecke | ~help |
| 10:32.13 | zecke | mr_nice: /msg ibot help |
| 10:32.36 | zecke | mr_nice: or just write ~help and ibot will talk to you |
| 10:32.59 | mr_nice | zecke:thx :) |
| 10:33.48 | mr_nice | ~help |
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| 11:06.38 | zecke | rwhitby: eFfeM-away : where is the nslu2 development mailing list? |
| 11:07.52 | mr_nice | I don't know if it is usefull but I have created slackware packages for monotone and qemu. I've tried to lend on the linuxpackages.org name conversation. But I dont added the bgu as a replacement of the 1 cause I don't like it - but you can just rename it. The description shows my name this is a convention that the users don't bag slackware for crapy packages ;). here is the link (http://test.opensimpad.org/slackware/). If you think the .SlackBuild |
| 11:08.54 | zecke | using Slackware is still on my todolist :} |
| 11:09.08 | zecke | mr_nice: you can place a link in the wiki and mail oeAThandhelds.org if you want to |
| 11:11.35 | eFfeM-away | zecke: nslu2-developers@yahoogroups.com |
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| 11:13.46 | mr_nice | zecke:how to get a user account? |
| 11:14.12 | zecke | mr_nice: good question! you can add new sites and edit existing ones without an account |
| 11:14.28 | zecke | mr_nice: I'm a noob on drupal so can't answer on how to get an account :} |
| 11:15.06 | zecke | eFfeM-away: thanks, I should have looked at the bottom of this yahoo site :} |
| 11:15.28 | eFfeM-away | np |
| 11:15.45 | eFfeM-away | gone again in a few minutes |
| 11:16.05 | zecke | njs: ping |
| 11:18.51 | mr_nice | zecke: ok wiki is changed |
| 11:20.13 | mr_nice | zecke:set the task first on your todo list *g |
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| 11:25.43 | zecke | Cwiiis: I have not seen abauer yet |
| 11:28.24 | mr_nice | what ist the bitbake name for a building system in qemuarm so I could use qemuarm to "native" build arm packages like familiar do? I have changed the local.conf file allready. |
| 11:29.47 | njs | zecke: pong |
| 11:29.53 | njs | (here briefly) |
| 11:29.53 | zecke | mr_nice: building name == package name |
| 11:30.10 | zecke | njs: can mtn 0.26 extract the keys from a monotone 0.24 database? |
| 11:30.13 | zecke | e.g. db migrate? |
| 11:30.31 | zecke | njs: I'm sending out the announcement of the 0.25->0.26 monotone conversation |
| 11:30.33 | njs | key packets are compatible |
| 11:31.13 | zecke | njs: I want to avoid the situation where people throw aways their private key :) |
| 11:31.22 | njs | so if you want to get the keys from an 0.24 db, you can use 0.24 to get the packet and then read it into an 0.26 db, or else you can use 0.26 to do "db migrate", umm, I think you might then have to do "db rosterify" before it will do anything else, and then you could pull the keys out and throw the db away. |
| 11:31.28 | njs | private key is in ~/.monotone/keys! |
| 11:31.38 | njs | err... I think it is anyway. Maybe in 0.24 it isn't. |
| 11:31.41 | zecke | njs: since monotone 0.25 |
| 11:31.54 | zecke | okay :) |
| 11:32.09 | zecke | njs: we will be rosterified by the 21st of next month :} |
| 11:32.36 | njs | cool :-) |
| 11:32.46 | mr_nice | zecke: I hoped there is just something like bitbake bootstrap-image |
| 11:33.00 | zecke | mr_nice: I didn't get the question |
| 11:33.26 | njs | zecke: actually, yeah, if what you want are private keys, just doing 'db migrate' with 0.26 will extract them to ~/.monotone/keys |
| 11:33.30 | njs | zecke: no rosterify needed |
| 11:34.02 | zecke | awesome :) |
| 11:34.41 | mr_nice | zecke: I want to build such a building image which is used in familiar to build packages inside of qemuarm. |
| 11:36.29 | zecke | mr_nice: since when is familiar doing this? |
| 11:36.38 | zecke | mr_nice: and if they do probably ask them on how they do it |
| 11:36.56 | Cwiiis | zecke: okidokes, thanks for keeping me updated :) |
| 11:37.05 | zecke | :} |
| 11:38.23 | mr_nice | zecke: I don't know. It could be, that I missunderstood the local.conf file. |
| 11:38.45 | zecke | mr_nice: we use qemuarm for binary locale generation |
| 11:38.57 | zecke | mr_nice: this is used e.g. by familiar and angstrom |
| 11:40.40 | mr_nice | zecke: What meens binary locale generation? Building binary inside of qemu than using a crosscompiler? |
| 11:41.21 | zecke | mr_nice: glibc, locales e.g. EN_GB.UTF-8 |
| 11:41.41 | zecke | mr_nice: these are binary files, generated by a tool from glibc |
| 11:41.58 | zecke | mr_nice: sadly this can require more than 128MB of RAM |
| 11:42.12 | zecke | mr_nice: this is why familiar is using qemuarm to run the script in advance.. |
| 11:43.45 | jacques | why all 5345352098 of them actually need to be built is totally beyond me |
| 11:43.47 | mr_nice | zecke:ah ok. so there is no compilation inside of qemuarm. only a script runs inside it which creates thoose locales. |
| 11:46.50 | zecke | mr_nice: atm yes |
| 11:47.08 | zecke | jacques: that is a distribution decision |
| 11:47.13 | mr_nice | zecke:thx |
| 11:47.31 | jacques | zecke, oh? you mean there is a config for it? |
| 11:47.32 | zecke | jacques: and as a distribution I would not play the "big fat white-men" card |
| 11:47.53 | zecke | jacques: currently either on or off, and a patch is circulating to limit the locale generation to a subset |
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| 11:48.25 | jacques | where can I find that patch? |
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| 11:49.48 | zecke | jacques: dunno, I think RP authored it |
| 11:50.02 | zecke | and yes this should be in OE, but recently most of us are busy with work and real life |
| 11:50.03 | jacques | don't make me start comparing compute time spent building the locales vs. people actually using the bottom 95% of them. |
| 11:51.19 | zecke | jacques: I could play the white european. "We only need germany" and I could play the Opie guy. We don't need any locales... |
| 11:52.09 | jacques | zecke, none of that will change the fact that the locale set should have been configurable in glibc for a decade |
| 11:53.22 | lrg | anyone built an image from scratch recently (i.e. rm -fr tmp then bitbake image) ? |
| 11:53.39 | jacques | saying anyone who doesn't want to build all the locales is some sort of bigot ? |
| 11:54.05 | zecke | jacques: people should use uclibc anyway |
| 11:54.25 | jacques | this is for my own use, and I don't speak 99.99% of the languages in the world. |
| 11:54.26 | zecke | jacques: but again, there are patches, you can test the patches, patches will be in SCM then |
| 11:54.37 | zecke | jacques: you have the 'source', you can 'change' it |
| 11:54.45 | zecke | jacques: and policy to the distribution, not in OE |
| 11:54.59 | jacques | zecke, I am blaming glibc |
| 11:55.02 | jacques | not oe |
| 11:55.18 | zecke | jacques: oh well, Ulrich is making it more and more obvious |
| 11:55.23 | lrg | I've ran into an issue whereby the host tools (e.g. FC5 quilt) are being used instead of OE built tools. It's not even attempting to built quilt.... |
| 11:55.27 | zecke | jacques: "glibc is not for small systems, piss off!" |
| 11:55.35 | zecke | lrg: :} |
| 11:55.36 | jacques | and I would love to use uclibc, but it doesn't have NPTL |
| 11:55.46 | lrg | hey zecke |
| 11:55.59 | zecke | jacques: and I think a distribution should carry all locales |
| 11:56.38 | jacques | uh, ok let's include 16MB of binary locales in every disy |
| 11:56.40 | jacques | dist |
| 11:56.42 | zecke | jacques: and yes, looking at a poky build, most time is spent on glibc locale generation |
| 11:56.57 | zecke | jacques: yes 16mb of packages is fair |
| 11:57.14 | zecke | (if you use glibc) |
| 11:57.29 | zecke | but this is a distribution that is multi national, global... |
| 11:57.35 | zecke | anyway... |
| 11:57.53 | zecke | need to work now |
| 11:58.06 | zecke | lrg: not building quilt is strange |
| 11:58.14 | lrg | lrg, I know |
| 11:58.18 | lrg | doh |
| 11:59.15 | lrg | zecke, It starts of by building gnu-config first and then fails with the wrong version of quilt |
| 11:59.28 | lrg | fails at do_patch |
| 11:59.48 | jacques | I had quilt stop building for me about a year ago on one machine only |
| 11:59.49 | zecke | lrg: bitbake -vvv and mail it to me please |
| 12:00.04 | lrg | zecke, will do |
| 12:00.10 | jacques | I had to burn that hard drive - never figured it out after spending several days on it |
| 12:00.49 | lrg | zecke: Nothing to do. |
| 12:01.07 | lrg | I'm using bitbake 536 |
| 12:01.51 | zecke | lrg: bitbake -vvv STUFF :) |
| 12:02.03 | zecke | lrg: but I don't know what you tried to build |
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| 12:02.19 | lrg | zecke: ah - not having a good day so far ;) |
| 12:03.10 | zecke | got a hung over? |
| 12:04.27 | lrg | zecke: no, just have too much todo :( |
| 12:05.26 | zecke | oh that is pretty common these days, I need to go offline as well to get stuff done |
| 12:05.35 | zecke | and probably move into the cold cellar to really focus |
| 12:07.28 | lrg | zecke: I'm pretty much the same. Multitasking isnt easy :-/ |
| 12:09.34 | zecke | yupp, I wish I would be female :) |
| 12:09.46 | lrg | heh |
| 12:12.10 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 12:14.12 | tmbinc_ | hm, while letting bitbake 1.4.2 parsing the metadata, i'm getting lots of "bb.build.FuncFailed:("can't read from file '%s' (%s)", ('.../build/tmp/staging/mipsel-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion', <exceptions.IOError instance at 0x582dc74c>)) while evaluating: ${SHLIBS} kernel (${KERNEL_VERSION})". Because of a monotone bug, i need to use outdated metadata (~beginning of april), is that related to this? Is there an easy way to backport the required chan |
| 12:14.47 | zecke | tmbinc_: short or long explanation? |
| 12:14.49 | tmbinc_ | on the other hand, i can just ignore these errors for now, as they seem relate to arm-only packages (and i'm on mipsel) |
| 12:15.09 | zecke | tmbinc_: bitbake 1.4.2 evaluates RDEPENDS when parsing |
| 12:15.10 | tmbinc_ | zecke: start with the short one ;) |
| 12:15.31 | zecke | tmbinc_: and some kernel RDEPENDS use bb.read_file... |
| 12:15.46 | zecke | tmbinc_: which throws an exception, easy fix is to update parts of base.bbclass |
| 12:15.58 | zecke | or just ignore them |
| 12:16.13 | tmbinc_ | but it should re-evaluate them on the right moment again, shouldn't it? |
| 12:16.43 | tmbinc_ | would this be fixed with recent metadata? |
| 12:16.54 | zecke | yes, yes |
| 12:17.42 | zecke | tmbinc_: with 'recent' meta data (.dev) we evaluate RDEPENDS, this makes the *-image.bb classes more easy to write and maintain |
| 12:19.06 | tmbinc_ | hm ok. did anyone else had problems with propagating recently? there is one changeset (a larger merge) until everything works. when i try to merge that one in, monotone crashes. as monotone 0.26 is supposed to fix that, i don't think that they will ever fix 0.25. |
| 12:20.20 | zecke | :( |
| 12:20.46 | zecke | tmbinc_: I have send the announcement of the monotone migration today |
| 12:21.00 | tmbinc_ | oh |
| 12:21.01 | zecke | tmbinc_: this means by next month we will be on monotone 0.26 |
| 12:21.05 | tmbinc_ | ok |
| 12:21.19 | tmbinc_ | i'll keep the april metadata then until we have migrated |
| 12:21.26 | tmbinc_ | i can migrate my local changes too, right? |
| 12:21.28 | zecke | tmbinc_: most time is spend on announcing (3 weeks) |
| 12:21.35 | zecke | tmbinc_: yes |
| 12:27.08 | lrg | zecke: email on it's way... |
| 12:29.55 | zecke | okay, cya later :) |
| 12:30.49 | lrg | zecke, cu |
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| 12:36.23 | zecke | lrg: wtf :) |
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| 12:39.09 | zecke | lrg: looks totally... well, I think I have time on monday to look into it :} |
| 12:39.15 | zecke | or even tomorrow |
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| 13:31.53 | cyrilRomain|bbl | anyone already used bittest ? I'd like to know if we can check for SRC_URI without fetching files |
| 13:34.49 | myopiate | ls |
| 13:35.58 | `pwgen` | hello |
| 13:36.23 | `pwgen` | anyone interested in running u-boot wit oe ? |
| 13:36.48 | woglinde | üwgen? |
| 13:36.57 | woglinde | pwgen you know what oe is? |
| 13:37.07 | `pwgen` | i have a nice configuration for oe .. |
| 13:37.40 | `pwgen` | u-boot with rescue and 12394 blocks for root |
| 13:37.43 | woglinde | use the bugtracker and submit pachtes there |
| 13:38.19 | woglinde | and oe is only a building system no distribution |
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| 13:39.10 | `pwgen` | i think oe is the distribution/buildsystem for building software running on embedded device like zaurus or ipaq or sometinge else |
| 13:39.44 | woglinde | buildingsystem |
| 13:40.03 | woglinde | distributions are openzaurus,opensimpad,angstroem |
| 13:40.18 | woglinde | and serval others |
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| 13:41.02 | `pwgen` | ok i had to build patches and submit via bugtracker ... |
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| 14:50.19 | hrw | morning |
| 14:50.23 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 14:50.27 | NAbyss | ello |
| 14:51.35 | Necronom | Yay! Monotone 0.26 migration. |
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| 14:54.56 | zecke | if monotone 0.27 would be released, it would rock even more |
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| 15:02.04 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:02.16 | chouimat | zecke: a month for the migration? |
| 15:02.53 | zecke | chouimat: three weeks announcements |
| 15:03.17 | chouimat | zecke: ok |
| 15:03.38 | zecke | chouimat: We want people to push their changes |
| 15:03.47 | zecke | chouimat: or to minimize the amount of local changes |
| 15:04.18 | chouimat | zecke: i see ...ok now time to make some coffee |
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| 15:13.22 | hrw | ~seen koen |
| 15:13.28 | ibot | koen <n=koen@ip5451781a.direct-adsl.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 10d 19h 59m 14s ago, saying: 'no idea'. |
| 15:17.14 | zecke | hrw: I think he will be away 10 more days |
| 15:17.28 | hrw | ok |
| 15:18.04 | hrw | zecke: do you plan something on ewi in near time? |
| 15:18.20 | hrw | zecke: I want to rebuild whole feed for OZ 3.5.4.1 (with rm_work) |
| 15:20.00 | zecke | hrw: no, feel free to tilt it |
| 15:23.11 | hrw | ok |
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| 15:35.42 | CSMan | guys, did anybody create a 2.6.x image for the H55xx? |
| 15:36.00 | CSMan | i'm still awaiting for my SD card to come back to life =( |
| 15:36.06 | CSMan | *waitin |
| 15:42.24 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: thanks for your comments re. my site. picture is now linked to / and i have a blog link for the complete one :) |
| 15:43.28 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: use rewrite to get http://www.vanille-media.de/site/blog/ urls |
| 15:43.45 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: I would even make http://www.vanille-media.de/ + http://www.vanille-media.de/blog/ |
| 15:44.16 | mickey|fifa2006 | *nod* some more construction things to do |
| 15:44.20 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: and s/Complete Blog/Blog/ on lefr menu |
| 15:44.32 | hrw | or 'My Blog' |
| 15:44.37 | mickey|fifa2006 | My Blog sounds good. |
| 15:45.23 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: are there any _must have_ plugins for wordpress? |
| 15:45.39 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: akismet or "spam karma 2" for spam |
| 15:46.20 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: I would even move 'Blog' column under 'Contents' to have 2 columns |
| 15:46.37 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: i would as well, but that involves css magic |
| 15:46.41 | mickey|fifa2006 | i have never done any css :D |
| 15:47.48 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: "OpenID for Wordpress", "Spam Karma 2", "Google Sitemaps", "Ultimate Tag Warrior", WP-Googlestats", "WP-ContactForm", "WP-ShortStat", "Admin Drop Down Menu", "Click Counter" are part of my pluginsset |
| 15:47.59 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: thanks. /me notes |
| 15:48.09 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: thats not css even - move parts of template |
| 15:48.11 | CSMan | mickey|fifa2006 sounds british |
| 15:48.55 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: move "col2" content inside "col1" for example |
| 15:49.19 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: get theme with 'sidebar widgets' support - its much easier to manage sidebar then |
| 15:49.38 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: i have searched months to find that theme :) |
| 15:49.51 | mickey|fifa2006 | perhaps it already supports widgets... |
| 15:50.13 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: months?? themes.wordpress.org does not work? :D |
| 15:50.22 | mickey|fifa2006 | it does |
| 15:50.25 | mickey|fifa2006 | but i couldn't decide |
| 15:50.29 | mickey|fifa2006 | heh |
| 15:50.41 | mickey|fifa2006 | browsed through hundreds |
| 15:50.46 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:53.53 | mickey|fifa2006 | It’s a simple, light, and customizable theme for WordPress 2.0+. Features include: Widgets friendly, ready to use |
| 15:53.57 | mickey|fifa2006 | what can i do with widgets? |
| 15:54.30 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: easily move parts of sidebar (drag and drop) |
| 15:54.38 | hrw | there are many sidebar widgets plugins |
| 15:55.02 | mickey|fifa2006 | hmm cool |
| 15:55.08 | mickey|fifa2006 | although i don't want to overcrowd the site |
| 15:55.15 | mickey|fifa2006 | needs a professional touch to remain :D |
| 15:55.51 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/06/17/oz-3541-status-update/ |
| 15:56.23 | mickey|fifa2006 | excellent! |
| 15:56.33 | mickey|fifa2006 | i guess you will need a rest after that release, right? :) |
| 15:58.04 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: 3.5.4.2 for 2.4 powered will be |
| 15:58.46 | mickey|fifa2006 | anyone know how's poodle doing? |
| 15:58.49 | mickey|fifa2006 | kernel, that is |
| 15:59.12 | CoreDump|home | mickey|fifa2006: mostly usable |
| 15:59.16 | hrw | 2.6? on hold |
| 15:59.22 | mickey|fifa2006 | CoreDump|home: what's missing? |
| 15:59.24 | CoreDump|home | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/ |
| 16:00.05 | mickey|fifa2006 | looks perfect except mmc and sound |
| 16:00.36 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: blogger! |
| 16:00.37 | CoreDump|home | sound for starters ;) And the kbd driver needs some TLC (no numlock) |
| 16:00.49 | CSMan | uhmm... how can i transfer files to my ipaq using the serial connection ? |
| 16:00.54 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: I'm since long. finally with a stock blog though :) |
| 16:01.06 | CSMan | do i have to run pppd ? |
| 16:01.45 | hrw | CSMan: lszrz |
| 16:01.48 | CoreDump|home | lol 0:1 ghana |
| 16:01.55 | mickey|fifa2006 | yeeeeeeeeeees |
| 16:01.56 | mickey|fifa2006 | GHANA |
| 16:02.02 | CSMan | =D |
| 16:02.07 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 16:02.13 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: any ideas for building whole feeds other then 'bitbake -k world'? |
| 16:02.44 | CSMan | hrw: i have lsz |
| 16:03.04 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: http://www.vanille.de/lehre/ |
| 16:03.11 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: you got a spelling error: it is leere |
| 16:03.13 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: i'd do some of the meta packages first to have a bit more control over the order of stuff landing in staging |
| 16:03.32 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: heh. that's Sabine's area |
| 16:03.35 | CSMan | hrw: i guess i need lszrz in the ipaq to receive, right ? |
| 16:03.45 | hrw | CSMan: iirc yes |
| 16:04.10 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: interesting, I have not seen this site yet |
| 16:04.25 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: that's the site for her "Lehrauftrag an der FH Darmstadt" |
| 16:04.42 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: I didn't know that she had such a thing already |
| 16:05.17 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: she had. three times now. but still looking for a Prof. position. |
| 16:05.35 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: her script is a good read btw. http://www.vanille.de/lehre/skript.pdf |
| 16:05.40 | mickey|fifa2006 | some funny examples |
| 16:06.28 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: sdl.bbclass from .dev need some sdl games to be changed? |
| 16:07.02 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: i'm afraid so, yes. |
| 16:07.25 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: those changes are in .dev already? |
| 16:07.59 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: yes. i fixed sdl games when building. it's probably missing some still |
| 16:09.00 | woglinde | mickeyl not bad the script |
| 16:09.15 | mickey|fifa2006 | woglinde: thanks. i'll tell her |
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| 16:10.39 | woglinde | mickeyl oh there is some mistake |
| 16:10.47 | mr_nice | hi all |
| 16:10.56 | woglinde | the appendix is know as Literarturevrzeichnis |
| 16:11.08 | woglinde | page 80 and 81 |
| 16:11.31 | mickey|fifa2006 | woglinde: yeah right. i need to clean some things when she's updating it. i'm the LyX expert in the house, not she :) |
| 16:11.40 | woglinde | mickeyl and page 79 ist blank for whatever |
| 16:11.47 | woglinde | is |
| 16:12.14 | woglinde | hehe better learn latex directly |
| 16:14.16 | mickey|fifa2006 | no way. i have learned enough latex to be able to get all type setting done with LyX |
| 16:14.29 | mickey|fifa2006 | after all, we're using high level languages now, aren't we? |
| 16:14.40 | mickey|fifa2006 | l8er |
| 16:17.05 | zecke | hehe |
| 16:17.15 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: and lyx is that high level language? |
| 16:17.46 | mr_nice | Any of you guys have a Iyonix RiscPC? I think about buying one. |
| 16:18.49 | mr_nice | But I just want to have some user response first. they arn't realy cheap. |
| 16:19.37 | zecke | I don't have one |
| 16:19.45 | zecke | I think they are not worth their money |
| 16:19.59 | emte | are they free? |
| 16:20.28 | hrw | I think that for desktop only x86-64 now are worth cash (cheap and powerful enough) |
| 16:21.07 | mr_nice | well just for building arm things it could be cool to have one. |
| 16:21.10 | emte | nah 64 arnt useful for the most part |
| 16:21.37 | zecke | mr_nice: consider getting a NSlu2 then |
| 16:21.48 | zecke | mr_nice: can run in Big Endian and Little Endian mode |
| 16:21.59 | zecke | mr_nice: you can attach storage to it (e.g. swap) |
| 16:22.10 | emte | which reminds me, it sounds like MS axed openGL support in vista |
| 16:22.11 | zecke | mr_nice: and with ~50-100Euro it is not expensive |
| 16:22.27 | zecke | emte: lol, Direct3d is the only supported system? |
| 16:22.40 | emte | yeah, with an emu for opengl 1.4 |
| 16:22.43 | mr_nice | I have to google |
| 16:22.45 | kergoth | * MASTER-Tim has quit ("Wer weis evtl is das leben ja ein integer wenn man negativ genug denkt wirds irgendwann positiv.") |
| 16:23.23 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 16:24.26 | zecke | kergoth: lol, you understand this sentence? |
| 16:24.59 | kergoth | naw, someone translated it for me :) |
| 16:25.04 | kergoth | i was amused though, so thought i'd share it |
| 16:25.28 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r76d9df50... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.modalias hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: add another prism2 card modalias |
| 16:25.31 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r72c9f3a7... 10/packages/openttd/openttd_0.4.0.bb: openttd: update to 0.4.0.1 from .dev |
| 16:25.35 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r28040521... 10/classes/sdl.bbclass: sdl.bbclass: version from .dev make generic + opie packages |
| 16:25.39 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rd6abb5a7... 10/packages/rott/ (files/gcc4.patch files/rott.jpg rott_1.0.bb): rott: de-opie-ify |
| 16:25.44 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r74067a04... 10/packages/gemdropx/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gemdropx: de-opie-ify |
| 16:25.48 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r82a73ab8... 10/packages/freedroid/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freedroid: de-opie-ify |
| 16:25.52 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r52fabac0... 10/packages/vectoroids/vectoroids_1.1.0.bb: vectoroids: de-opie-ify |
| 16:25.56 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf02cb66f... 10/packages/abuse/abuse_0.7.0.bb: abuse: de-opie-ify |
| 16:26.00 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rc69321fa... 10/packages/aliens/aliens_1.0.0.bb: aliens: de-opie-ify |
| 16:26.04 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc67fcdd8... 10/packages/openttd/openttd_0.4.0.1.bb: openttd: added some bugfixes from .oz354x - #904 |
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| 16:26.06 | emte | hrw has commited off the deep end again :) |
| 16:26.13 | magnet | hi. |
| 16:26.21 | emte | with all those aliens and abuse |
| 16:27.26 | hrw | ;D |
| 16:27.40 | chouimat | zecke: I don't understand it ... |
| 16:31.40 | zecke | ooops |
| 16:32.02 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: hrw : I wanted to put this story into the moderation queue |
| 16:32.22 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: hrw : now it is posted, but it would be nice if you could proof read it :} |
| 16:32.32 | zecke | and correct my fscking errors |
| 16:33.34 | hrw | zecke: oe.org? |
| 16:33.53 | zecke | yes |
| 16:34.10 | hrw | ugly as hell |
| 16:34.25 | zecke | yeah, sorry |
| 16:34.41 | zecke | looks good on my braille display though |
| 16:34.55 | hrw | ;D |
| 16:35.27 | hrw | zecke: ok - I will take it to queue and edit |
| 16:35.29 | zecke | unpublished it |
| 16:36.00 | zecke | I should train Al to write technical documentation :} |
| 16:36.20 | hrw | would be nice to move from 'written by nick' to 'written by name "nick" surname' |
| 16:36.57 | zecke | later pals |
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| 17:07.54 | hrw | ibot: botmail to zecke: I rewritten whole story so it is more readable. Please check it and publish. |
| 17:27.58 | mr_nice | ibot: botmail to mickey|fifa2006: I just recognized that you can't have read my message of this mornig *g. So here it is - After fixing my monotone I have tested your work on MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION as promised. This is my configuration (http://pastebin.com/714536) and this is the resulting error (http://pastebin.com/714534). The monotone branch I have used (b1413be68019496f10dcfa8c854fd6644adecd93) |
| 17:28.26 | mr_nice | thx to hrw showing me how that botmailthing is working ;) |
| 17:30.22 | hrw | mr_nice: s/monotone branch/monotone revision |
| 17:30.41 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/06/17/openzaurus-3541-status/ |
| 17:32.59 | mr_nice | hrw:? I did a cat revision in org.openembedded.dev/MT |
| 17:33.24 | hrw | mr_nice: use 'monotone head' next time - its simpler |
| 17:33.34 | hrw | mr_nice: branch is .dev |
| 17:35.49 | mr_nice | hrw: what monotone head is donig? - I shuld lern not to type commands I don't know what they are doing *lol - now it is to late |
| 17:36.35 | hrw | mr_nice: it show you head of working copy |
| 17:36.54 | hrw | mr_nice: in most situations its same as MT/revision but not always |
| 17:37.39 | mr_nice | hrw: well than I will do that cat thing in future the monotone head is doing a long term job |
| 17:39.09 | mr_nice | hrw: a now it is complete : b1413be68019496f10dcfa8c854fd6644adecd93 cbrake@openembedded.org 2006-06-16T18:04:26 |
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| 17:45.02 | csmanx | guys, where did the usbvnetr module go ? |
| 17:46.19 | hrw | cu |
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| 17:51.59 | mickey|fifa2006 | GHANAAAAA |
| 17:52.06 | mickey|fifa2006 | mr_nice: read it and commited a fix. please try again |
| 17:52.09 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: which story? |
| 17:52.45 | mr_nice | mickey|fifa2006: ok |
| 17:53.25 | zecke | hrw|gone: where do I find it? |
| 17:55.34 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: mtn 0.26 conversation |
| 17:55.50 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: ah. didn't get anything |
| 17:57.15 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: http://www.openembedded.org/announcement-of-scm-conversion-to-monotone-0.26 |
| 17:57.36 | mickey|fifa2006 | *nod* |
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| 17:57.48 | zecke | I miss a 'diff' button on this wiki... |
| 17:59.27 | goxboxlive | I cant fin any alsa packages in the dev branch, isent there any packeages for it ( no zecke i havnet deleted the :-) ) |
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| 18:18.06 | hrw | re |
| 18:18.15 | woglinde | re hrw |
| 18:18.25 | hrw | zecke: I miss it too |
| 18:19.02 | hrw | goxboxlive: alsa-lib, alsa-utils are available |
| 18:30.02 | hrw | ~seen pigi |
| 18:30.19 | ibot | pigi <n=pigi@pdpc/supporter/active/Pigi> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 18d 3h 54m 46s ago, saying: 'is there anyone that has successfully got asterisk working with eicon diva pci cards (passive cards ) ?'. |
| 18:32.55 | mickey|fifa2006 | JustinP: ping |
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| 18:35.41 | mickey|fifa2006 | is there a common prefix in the X API?` |
| 18:36.20 | hrw | zecke: do you like my version? |
| 18:36.22 | zecke | X? |
| 18:36.39 | mickey|fifa2006 | that's all? Xfoo ? |
| 18:36.55 | zecke | hrw: lack of diff makes it harder to see what I did wrong... |
| 18:37.02 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: XOpenDisplay, XCloseDisplay |
| 18:37.13 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: XFlush() |
| 18:37.15 | mickey|fifa2006 | thanks. |
| 18:37.29 | mickey|fifa2006 | perhaps i should grep for #include X11/ |
| 18:37.47 | hrw | zecke: save both and give to kdiff3 |
| 18:38.10 | zecke | yes, or abuse pastebin.com |
| 18:38.32 | zecke | it is published again |
| 18:38.38 | cbrake | is there an rss feed for the drupal wiki changes? |
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| 18:42.29 | zecke | hrw: this kdepimpi stuff is strange |
| 18:42.42 | zecke | hrw: this *resource*.h includes qmutex.h always! |
| 18:43.16 | hrw | #ifdef QT_THREAD_SUPPORT |
| 18:44.33 | mickey|fifa2006 | sounds like zautrix used thread support to decide whether he's building against qt2 or qt3 |
| 18:44.36 | mickey|fifa2006 | ~shoot zautrix |
| 18:44.37 | ibot | ACTION shoots zautrix in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 18:45.03 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: no - qte2 does not have thread enabled before |
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| 18:53.21 | Laibsch | I just got pobox (Japanese input) by AlexTe working! YEAH! GREAT! |
| 18:53.45 | mickey|fifa2006 | cool |
| 18:54.02 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: indeed. |
| 18:54.06 | hrw | mickey|fifa2006: what do you think about adding /home/root/ to populate-volatiles? or other place - this will close #759 (no /home/root/ in OZ images) |
| 18:54.33 | Laibsch | We need some more unicode and/or Japanese fonts. Any kind of magic in creating them or is it just about creating the bb file and not making any changes to the font itself (so as to make it smaller for example)? |
| 18:54.39 | mr_nice | mickey|fifa2006: it seems to work - I will send you a ibot mail after the compiling is complete |
| 18:54.48 | mickey|fifa2006 | hrw: sounds ok to me |
| 18:55.22 | hrw | Laibsch: use ttf font |
| 18:55.32 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: We have two input methods now. nunome (HRW) and pobox (keyboard). So we are basically all set. But there are more input methods in the pipeline I believe. |
| 18:55.42 | Laibsch | hrw: OK. No changes necessary? |
| 18:55.53 | hrw | Laibsch: no changes |
| 18:55.56 | Laibsch | Might not even be necessary to package them at first, then. |
| 18:56.03 | Laibsch | hrw: Cool! |
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| 18:56.24 | hrw | Laibsch: need to run update-qttfontdir |
| 18:56.28 | Laibsch | I wonder if the Z can handle the 8MB msgothic.ttf |
| 18:56.33 | mickey|fifa2006 | so someone needs to correct and push the stuff from http://vbone.net/oz/bb/ into OE |
| 18:56.38 | Laibsch | hrw: OK, thank you. |
| 18:56.54 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: AlexTe said he was going to do it soon. |
| 18:57.06 | Laibsch | I sent him a couple of bugs over IRC today. |
| 18:57.06 | mickey|fifa2006 | good |
| 18:57.46 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: you also talked about correcting stuff. What were you referring to? |
| 18:57.58 | hrw | nunome has wrong HOMEPAGE set |
| 18:58.08 | Laibsch | OK |
| 18:58.16 | mickey|fifa2006 | Laibsch: misc things. PR shouldn't be first line |
| 18:59.07 | Laibsch | I'll open a bug to track this stuff even before it is being pushed so as to make noone's input if forgotten. |
| 18:59.52 | hrw | Laibsch: metabug 'CJKV for OPIE/GPE' + all related bugs as blockers of it |
| 19:00.11 | mickey|fifa2006 | Laibsch: nunome looks like it's hardcoded for single thread qte |
| 19:00.14 | mickey|fifa2006 | need to import palmtop |
| 19:00.17 | mickey|fifa2006 | and remove -DQWS |
| 19:00.20 | mickey|fifa2006 | as palmtop is doing that |
| 19:01.26 | Laibsch | hrw: OK |
| 19:02.08 | Laibsch | hrw: what is wrong about the HOMEPAGE? The auth stuff? It is the official homepage of upstream. |
| 19:04.38 | Laibsch | bug 1094 it is for the metabug |
| 19:05.48 | hrw | auth stuff |
| 19:09.23 | hrw | Laibsch: add 842 and 843 as blockers for 1094 then |
| 19:13.38 | Laibsch | hrw: Good idea. done |
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| 19:19.01 | hrw | bbl |
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| 19:25.11 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: what do you mean PR should not be on the first line? AFAICT, that is not the case in AlexTe's bb files such as http://vbone.net/oz/bb/qpobox/qpobox_0.5.4.bb |
| 19:25.35 | mickey|fifa2006 | eb_4.2.2.bb |
| 19:25.47 | mickey|fifa2006 | kakasi |
| 19:25.51 | Laibsch | OK, that is different stuff, not input method. |
| 19:25.55 | Zero_Chaos | what is a Zaurus SL-C3200 called? |
| 19:26.00 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: now that TT doesn't even have the resources to say "Community piss off" |
| 19:26.05 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: what should we do? |
| 19:26.16 | Laibsch | And maybe it should wait for inclusion. |
| 19:26.21 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: burn all API documents and forget what you ever knew about Qt/E |
| 19:26.25 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: And maybe it should wait for inclusion. |
| 19:26.42 | mickey|fifa2006 | Laibsch: aren't these dependencies for the inputmethods? |
| 19:28.33 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: that is so sad... |
| 19:29.08 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: They are completely different |
| 19:29.32 | Laibsch | mickey|fifa2006: They are studyaids, dictionary lookup tools, etc. |
| 19:29.41 | Laibsch | Nice stuff, but unrelated. |
| 19:30.13 | Laibsch | nunome for example has no deps (other than maybe a Japanese font). pobox just needs qpobox and poboxserver. |
| 19:30.15 | Laibsch | That is all. |
| 19:31.45 | mickey|fifa2006 | zecke: yes, it is. an early Qtopia4 GPL release could've revived Qt/Embedded and Qtopia 3rd party powers. Delaying it for so long effectively will kill it :( |
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| 19:33.06 | zecke | mickey|fifa2006: now TT is going public, we could try to buy it |
| 19:33.16 | zecke | woglinde: do you want to run a buy TT campaign with me? |
| 19:33.33 | zecke | woglinde: now that you lost SUSE to Novell, we can try it with TT? |
| 19:33.41 | woglinde | zecke hehe |
| 19:34.11 | woglinde | zecke hm we have to convice the deutsche bank or so |
| 19:36.08 | zecke | woglinde: http://www.physik.tu-cottbus.de/users/heinold/suse/ <- I love your page |
| 19:36.43 | zecke | woglinde: and no an e.V. may not buy any shares (no speculative operations are allowed) |
| 19:36.55 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:37.49 | Laibsch | But a "Genossenschaft" kann do that, sort of the same as an e.V. otherwise. |
| 19:37.58 | Laibsch | Who/what is TT? |
| 19:38.03 | woglinde | laibsch right |
| 19:38.06 | woglinde | trolltech |
| 19:38.07 | woglinde | hehe |
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| 19:43.46 | hvontres | So does this mean Opie is doomed as well? |
| 19:44.34 | zecke | hvontres: doomed? |
| 19:45.18 | zecke | hvontres: Opie is meant to be Qtopia compatible |
| 19:45.18 | zecke | hvontres: no available Qtopia, no future Opie |
| 19:45.24 | hvontres | sorry, I came in late and only caught the last part of the QT/E discussion :( |
| 19:45.36 | lpotter | yes. its doomed. please repent now |
| 19:45.51 | zecke | lpotter: hey :) |
| 19:46.01 | lpotter | hi |
| 19:46.10 | woglinde | hi lpooter |
| 19:46.13 | woglinde | ups lpotter |
| 19:46.27 | zecke | lpotter: did you find time to cook up a response? |
| 19:46.40 | zecke | lpotter: and have you flashed the latest beta onto the n770? |
| 19:46.46 | mr_nice | how much do you think would TT cost? |
| 19:46.54 | woglinde | mr_nice enough |
| 19:46.56 | zecke | mr_nice: too much |
| 19:47.08 | lpotter | yes, i have flashed the new 770 image |
| 19:47.20 | zecke | mr_nice: and I have not enough crappy old sandwhiches to exchange them with the stocks |
| 19:47.23 | Zero_Chaos | zecke: what is Zaurus SL-C3200 called? |
| 19:47.23 | zecke | (pun on futurama) |
| 19:47.30 | hvontres | mr_nice: we only nee 51% :) |
| 19:47.34 | zecke | Zero_Chaos: how should I know? |
| 19:47.36 | zecke | ~C3200 |
| 19:48.00 | Zero_Chaos | zecke: sorry, I know you are knowledgeable, thought you might know |
| 19:48.07 | lpotter | 3200 is called mongrel :) |
| 19:48.09 | CoreDump|home | Zero_Chaos: terrier |
| 19:48.11 | lpotter | or mut |
| 19:48.16 | zecke | ~terrier |
| 19:48.18 | ibot | terrier is probably Sharp Zaurus SL-C3200, or a dog |
| 19:48.22 | Zero_Chaos | CoreDump|home: thanks |
| 19:48.23 | Zero_Chaos | zecke: thanks |
| 19:48.25 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 19:48.34 | hvontres | ~poodle |
| 19:48.35 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 19:48.43 | lpotter | rabid greyhound |
| 19:49.07 | lpotter | ~rabid greyhound |
| 19:49.21 | Zero_Chaos | ~spitz |
| 19:49.22 | ibot | rumour has it, spitz is the Sharp SL-C3000, or a dog |
| 19:49.44 | Zero_Chaos | spitz is C3000 or C1000, right? |
| 19:49.51 | hvontres | ~akita |
| 19:49.52 | ibot | from memory, akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog |
| 19:49.57 | Zero_Chaos | right |
| 19:51.01 | hvontres | ~lpotter |
| 19:51.03 | ibot | lpotter is that Qtopia Community Liaison guy that works for Trolltech. |
| 19:51.49 | lpotter | should that say ", or a dog" as well?? |
| 19:52.18 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:52.26 | hvontres | ROTFL |
| 19:52.44 | ggilbert | ibot: lpotter is also a dog |
| 19:52.45 | ibot | ggilbert: okay |
| 19:52.58 | lpotter | ~lpotter |
| 19:52.59 | ibot | lpotter is that Qtopia Community Liaison guy that works for Trolltech. a dog |
| 19:53.07 | hvontres | ~CoreDump |
| 19:53.08 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, coredump is the guy who maintains the hentges distribution @ http://www.hentges.net |
| 19:53.26 | hvontres | ibot: CoreDump is not a dog |
| 19:53.28 | ibot | ...but coredump is already something else... |
| 19:53.33 | zecke | ~forget zecke |
| 19:53.34 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 19:53.55 | hvontres | zecke: Awwww, no fun :) |
| 19:56.00 | zecke | ~nickometer dog |
| 19:56.02 | zecke | ~nickometer zecke |
| 19:56.09 | ggilbert | so wrong |
| 19:56.26 | zecke | ~nickometer treke |
| 19:56.32 | zecke | ~nickometer whatever |
| 19:56.41 | hvontres | ~nickometer hvontres |
| 19:56.51 | Zero_Chaos | ~nickometer Zero_Chaos |
| 19:57.00 | Zero_Chaos | odd, I should be lamer than that |
| 19:57.11 | hvontres | Must be Busted |
| 19:58.07 | zecke | lpotter: so what about the community for Qtopia? Is it of no use? why can't you say that? |
| 19:58.38 | lpotter | because if i did, it would be a ie, and i speak truths |
| 19:58.50 | lpotter | be a lie, that is |
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| 20:03.24 | hvontres | grrrrr....trying to get OE setup on my Fedora 4 box and gcc-cross-initial-3.2.2-r3 failed with a seg fault |
| 20:03.27 | hvontres | insn-extract.c:2859: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 20:04.11 | woglinde | gcc-3.2? |
| 20:04.18 | woglinde | this is quite old |
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| 20:05.11 | hvontres | [henry@Gonzo dev.build]$ gcc --version |
| 20:05.11 | hvontres | gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20051125 (Red Hat 4.0.2-8) |
| 20:05.48 | hvontres | oopps, I meand gcc-cross-initial-3.4.4-r3, from the org.openembedded.oz354x branch |
| 20:06.30 | JustinP | mickey|fifa2006: pong |
| 20:07.28 | hvontres | ~hvontres |
| 20:08.11 | hvontres | any ideas what I would need to fix to get OE happy again? |
| 20:10.07 | mr_nice | hvontres: I don't know if it help, but you could run a memory check. |
| 20:18.28 | zecke | lpotter: hmm, Qtopia is good enough to be sold, but not good enough for the community? |
| 20:19.29 | zecke | lpotter: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.1/images/phonepda.png <- this is how Qtopia4 looks? ;) |
| 20:19.42 | lpotter | well, configured with -edition pda doesnt exactly compile or run well right now |
| 20:20.41 | zecke | don't you have automatic builds that should have showed this error more early |
| 20:21.46 | Laibsch | How can I repackage a font with OE? I guess I do not need to compile anything. I'd know how to create an ipk out of http://downloads.sourceforge.jp/zaurus-ja/778/unismall_1.0.0_arm.ipk but how do I create a bb file for it? |
| 20:22.21 | Laibsch | unismall is IMHO much better than the current unifont we have. Not least because it is actually readable. |
| 20:22.27 | zecke | do_install and FILES |
| 20:22.42 | Laibsch | OK, I'll have a look. |
| 20:22.49 | zecke | do_install() to install the file, FILES for saying what goes into the package |
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| 20:46.31 | woglinde | he koem |
| 20:46.33 | woglinde | koen |
| 20:46.36 | woglinde | jet lag |
| 20:47.20 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 20:47.31 | koen | woglinde: wifi on the balcony at the hotel |
| 20:47.59 | woglinde | koen hehe okay |
| 20:48.08 | eFfeM | hey koen |
| 20:48.14 | woglinde | koen how is it ar barbados? |
| 20:48.15 | eFfeM | had a good holiday ? |
| 20:48.21 | eFfeM | hav |
| 20:48.45 | koen | yep |
| 20:48.52 | koen | nice weather, good food, etc |
| 20:49.00 | eFfeM | good |
| 20:49.43 | woglinde | zecke owe me nachos |
| 20:49.49 | zecke | why? |
| 20:50.03 | woglinde | zecke yesterday |
| 20:50.53 | woglinde | so the question should be when not why |
| 20:50.58 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:51.03 | zecke | woglinde: "Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me." |
| 20:51.04 | woglinde | out |
| 20:51.21 | zecke | woglinde: If that makes any sense to you, I owe you Nachos |
| 20:51.41 | zecke | I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? |
| 20:52.07 | zecke | , I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! |
| 20:52.20 | zecke | it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. |
| 20:52.25 | zecke | nothing more to say |
| 20:52.36 | Laibsch | OK, here it is for all you screenshot lovers and fans of the Japanese language: http://leipzig.leggewie.org/?cat=1 |
| 20:53.01 | Laibsch | Japanese on OZ! |
| 20:53.16 | gremlin[it] | me me me !!!! |
| 20:53.26 | zecke | awesome :) |
| 20:53.42 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 20:53.59 | zecke | not any clue about that language though |
| 20:54.34 | zecke | woglinde: want a new laptop? http://leipzig.leggewie.org/?cat=3 |
| 20:54.45 | woglinde | zecke yeah saw the item |
| 20:54.48 | woglinde | gift |
| 20:55.13 | gremlin[it] | if i'm correct first 3 kanji mean to 'japanere language' |
| 20:55.33 | gremlin[it] | of the summary field :) |
| 20:56.20 | Laibsch | yes gremlin[it], well done. |
| 20:56.37 | Laibsch | I made a note that I should study Japanese (harder) |
| 20:57.19 | gremlin[it] | Laibsch me too ... i should do !!! |
| 21:08.10 | Laibsch | gremlin[it]: You are not a dev at http://gakusei.sf.net yet, are you? Do you want to contribute? |
| 21:08.46 | gremlin[it] | in which way ? traslation ? |
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| 21:10.28 | Laibsch | Any way you feel like. |
| 21:10.30 | gremlin[it] | Laibsch interesting !!! i'll take a look :) |
| 21:11.23 | Laibsch | gremlin[it]: Could be dev type work, could be evangelizing, could be testing, could be conceptual work. |
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| 22:36.17 | zecke | nite |
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| 22:57.46 | magnet | I compiled some kernel module, but I can t insmod it, it tell me invalide module format, looking to dmesg, I see this line |
| 22:57.50 | magnet | version magic '2.6.16 preempt ARMv5 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.16 preempt ARMv5 gcc-3.4 |
| 22:58.14 | magnet | so I tried to recompile virtual/kernel and to re install it, but it didn t worked, any ideas ? |
| 22:58.37 | woglinde | you used the warong compiler for the kernel modules |
| 22:58.58 | magnet | sound like. |
| 22:59.07 | magnet | that why I re compiled virtual/kernel |
| 22:59.18 | woglinde | you used gcc-4.0 for the modules but the kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4 |
| 22:59.32 | woglinde | so it were easier to compile the modules with gcc-3.4 |
| 22:59.58 | woglinde | instead of compiling the whole kernel with gcc-4.0 which in your case failed |
| 23:00.31 | magnet | I'm not very good with oe yet, I didn t found how to change compiler. |
| 23:00.42 | magnet | my oe's one is 4.0 . |
| 23:00.53 | woglinde | yeah for all but kernel |
| 23:01.28 | woglinde | for some architecure gcc-4 dont compile the kernel |
| 23:01.34 | magnet | sound like I read something about this. but it's not only for 2.4 kernel ? |
| 23:01.43 | woglinde | hm |
| 23:01.55 | woglinde | than you have to fix your local.conf |
| 23:02.15 | magnet | what changes should I do ? |
| 23:04.52 | woglinde | hm can you provide your local.conf? |
| 23:04.57 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 23:05.10 | ibot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 23:05.42 | magnet | sure |
| 23:07.47 | magnet | http://pastebin.com/715616 |
| 23:08.45 | woglinde | hm okay you are on the oz branch |
| 23:08.58 | magnet | yep. |
| 23:09.08 | woglinde | sorry dont have that here |
| 23:09.38 | magnet | oh. thanks for the try at least. |
| 23:10.03 | woglinde | but do as I told rebuilt the kernel with gcc-3.4 again and the modules too |
| 23:10.18 | woglinde | maybee hrw must fix something |
| 23:10.18 | magnet | I don't thing I have it installed. |
| 23:10.26 | magnet | ^thing^think |
| 23:10.46 | magnet | the ony gcc I found in my oe is a 4.0 one. |
| 23:11.25 | woglinde | no there must be some other for the kernel |
| 23:11.33 | woglinde | or you forget to clean something |
| 23:11.54 | magnet | I'm checking again |
| 23:12.01 | woglinde | or tell me whats the problem ist that gcc-4.0 cant compile the kernel |
| 23:12.45 | magnet | oh sound like you are right. |
| 23:13.13 | magnet | hardcore stuff # tmp/cross/libexec/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/cc1 --version |
| 23:13.13 | magnet | GNU C version 3.4.4 (arm-linux) |
| 23:13.50 | magnet | ok now I need to tell #oe, to use the same gcc for my bb file. |
| 23:14.05 | woglinde | yes |
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| 23:23.21 | magnet | do you know how I can do this ? sound like it's in local.conf. |
| 23:23.38 | woglinde | hm |
| 23:23.45 | woglinde | sorry |
| 23:24.00 | magnet | np. |
| 23:24.06 | woglinde | maybee look in an other .bb which compiles kernel-modules |
| 23:24.15 | woglinde | like orinoco |
| 23:24.21 | magnet | that what I did, but there is nothing about gcc into. |
| 23:24.30 | magnet | I checked orinoco-module and hostap-module |
| 23:24.55 | woglinde | hm than I have no clue |
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| 23:32.54 | woglinde | nite |
| 23:34.12 | magnet | nite wog. |
| 23:34.16 | magnet | err too late |
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