| 00:00.32 | thejapa | anyone using gentoo here? |
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| 00:16.20 | JustinP | thejapa: yes |
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| 00:26.27 | thejapa | JustinP: nvm, thanks anyway ! |
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| 05:30.08 | cyrilRomain | 'morning |
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| 08:11.54 | XorA | moirning |
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| 08:38.01 | hrw | hi |
| 08:43.36 | zecke | hey |
| 08:45.11 | hrw | hmm.. trying to remaster DSL to get minimal initrd for rescue |
| 08:51.43 | XorA | hrw: that bad? |
| 08:52.10 | hrw | XorA: no - I use xfs on my normal system and it cannot be checked/repaired when booted from it |
| 08:52.17 | hrw | so I need another OS to boot. |
| 08:53.34 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 08:55.01 | zecke | master |
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| 08:56.27 | do13_ | morning all |
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| 08:57.00 | hrw | ~lart XOrg in Debian |
| 08:57.25 | hrw | I just love to lose keyboard in X session... |
| 08:58.10 | zecke | hehe |
| 08:58.17 | zecke | I love xkb |
| 08:58.22 | zecke | do13_: hey, how are you? |
| 08:58.27 | hrw | its good to have sysrq in kernel.. |
| 08:58.30 | RP | morning all |
| 08:58.36 | do13_ | hey RP |
| 08:58.36 | hrw | hi RP |
| 08:58.48 | do13_ | hey zecke, fine after 2 weeks vacation:) |
| 08:59.13 | zecke | do13_: yeah, that sounds good |
| 09:01.12 | do13_ | zecke: first day at work and I have the feeling 2 weeks are too short |
| 09:03.34 | zecke | fake a sickness |
| 09:03.51 | zecke | e.g. you can't type because you have "Tennisarm" |
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| 09:35.32 | lardman|work | morning all |
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| 10:21.50 | nemu | hi |
| 10:23.14 | nemu | does anybody know how to load module sharpzdc_cs ? |
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| 10:23.57 | nemu | i executed "insmod sharpzdc_cs". i got the following message. then, sharpzdc_cs module could not usable. |
| 10:24.27 | nemu | Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/pcmcia/sharpzdc_cs.o |
| 10:24.28 | nemu | Warning: loading sharpzdc_cs will taint the kernel: no license |
| 10:25.27 | nemu | why got i this message ? |
| 10:25.31 | nemu | i got |
| 10:25.57 | nemu | and how to solve the problem |
| 10:26.03 | magnet | it's not a real problem. |
| 10:26.10 | NAbyss | Because the module's not released under the GPL, I'm guessing |
| 10:26.33 | magnet | and this should not make the module un usable |
| 10:26.47 | nemu | i can load sharpzdc_cs.o. but i cannot found /dev/sharp_zdc file. |
| 10:26.59 | magnet | it's just some call missing in the module, to set the licence. |
| 10:27.07 | NAbyss | You probably have to mknod /dev/sharp_zdc |
| 10:27.13 | nemu | ah ... |
| 10:27.17 | nemu | mknod |
| 10:27.50 | nemu | but i don't know what major/minor. |
| 10:29.17 | magnet | umm yea, that's a problem. |
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| 10:31.56 | magnet | nemu: list of major / minors for devices are in the file : |
| 10:32.04 | magnet | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 10:32.36 | NAbyss | also, cat /proc/devices will give the list of majors |
| 10:32.52 | magnet | this works for CF too ? |
| 10:33.09 | nemu | CF Sharp-CAM |
| 10:34.46 | nemu | ok ... |
| 10:35.07 | nemu | when i reboot system, i got it. :) |
| 10:35.26 | magnet | great :) |
| 10:36.08 | nemu | sharp-cammera-support ..blahblah.ipk have to reboot. |
| 10:36.20 | nemu | after install it :) |
| 10:37.35 | nemu | huu... finished :) realtime cammera streaming program. |
| 10:38.42 | nemu | thx all :^) |
| 10:38.51 | magnet | np. |
| 10:38.57 | magnet | have fun ! |
| 10:39.06 | nemu | okie. :) |
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| 10:52.29 | RP | http://www.o-hand.com/~richard/qemu.html might be of interest to people. It includes a sample qemuarm image complete with a toolchain. |
| 10:53.37 | zecke | hey |
| 10:54.04 | lrg | hey zecke, RP |
| 10:54.40 | do13_ | hey Liam |
| 10:54.50 | lrg | hey Dirk. |
| 10:54.54 | magnet | is there someone there that do kernel developpment for the zaurus ? |
| 10:54.59 | RP | hi Liam |
| 10:55.13 | RP | magnet: yes |
| 10:55.16 | magnet | I'm looking for some information about which tools I could use. |
| 10:55.24 | magnet | actually developping for me is a pain. |
| 10:55.28 | magnet | oh great RP. |
| 10:55.35 | RP | magnet: OE? :) |
| 10:55.52 | magnet | RP: I'm wondering about it. |
| 10:55.54 | zecke | RP: should I stop the autobuild for poky? |
| 10:56.09 | RP | zecke: What's it failing on? |
| 10:56.35 | zecke | RP: detect-stylus (n770), and missing gconftool-2 on the host for web (qemuarm) |
| 10:56.55 | zecke | RP: I could install the later, but is that the 'proper' fix to install gconftool-2? |
| 10:57.09 | RP | zecke: I've asked Chris about it - no reply as yet |
| 10:57.24 | RP | zecke: I'll also add detect-stylus in the short term |
| 10:57.48 | magnet | damn I hate this zaurus. |
| 10:57.54 | zecke | if I wouldn't be soo busy, I would send patches :} |
| 10:57.58 | do13_ | lrg: sorry, I had no time to test your latest asoc release |
| 10:58.23 | RP | magnet: FWIW, I do all my development for it under OE |
| 10:58.40 | lrg | do13, np, I've got a bug fix coming out soon. best to wait |
| 10:59.16 | magnet | RP: I guess I'll do the same , ( using oe ), but it's not very good for me |
| 10:59.20 | magnet | I don't own another computer. |
| 10:59.35 | do13_ | lrg: My wife does not allow to use the laptop during vacation:) |
| 11:00.03 | zecke | hehe |
| 11:00.04 | lrg | do13: heh |
| 11:00.06 | do13_ | lrg: so I got your mail yesterday |
| 11:00.06 | zecke | good wife |
| 11:05.08 | RP | I could do with being banned from a computer for a while... |
| 11:09.14 | lrg | heh |
| 11:09.53 | lrg | looks like oesources is down :( |
| 11:10.03 | lrg | can anyone see it ? |
| 11:10.34 | pb__ | yah, treke.net seems to have dropped off the net |
| 11:11.00 | rwhitby | you might be able to find what you need at sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/<filename> |
| 11:11.02 | pb__ | though ggilbert and ggilbert_ are still here |
| 11:11.43 | do13_ | Hmm treke.net works here |
| 11:12.15 | magnet | here too. |
| 11:13.04 | pb__ | ah, maybe it's just firewalled from the uk |
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| 11:13.27 | pb__ | actually, now it works for me as well |
| 11:13.32 | pb__ | must just have been some transient outage |
| 11:23.46 | chouimat | morning |
| 11:25.10 | magnet | hi. |
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| 11:42.58 | magnet | RP: which device do you own ? |
| 11:45.08 | RP | magnet: My main devices are a c760 and a c3000 |
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| 11:47.57 | magnet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:03.04 | RP | zecke: latest web svn should fix your gconf problem |
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| 12:10.56 | RP | zecke: Is SRCDATE="now" supposed to work for svn? |
| 12:11.11 | zecke | yes :} |
| 12:14.49 | NAbyss | Hm, anyone able to give me a pointer to something on getting started with developing for OPIE using OE? Or is that more a #distro question? |
| 12:15.36 | RP | zecke: right, it does. The user on the otherhand, doesn't ;-) |
| 12:16.27 | zecke | ~users |
| 12:16.36 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 12:16.48 | zecke | NAbyss: we did Opie development using QVFb most of the time |
| 12:17.08 | Ifaistos | hello ! |
| 12:17.11 | zecke | NAbyss: in the Opie tree there is a documentation (by mickeyl) on how to use the Opie buildsystem to build using OE stuff |
| 12:17.27 | NAbyss | zecke: Is that opie dev, or opie app dev? |
| 12:17.35 | zecke | NAbyss: both |
| 12:17.56 | NAbyss | zecke: Ah, shall take a look then |
| 12:19.06 | zecke | going home now |
| 12:23.45 | Ifaistos | Any idea why hotplug won't create ttyUSBx when device is pluged ? |
| 12:25.36 | NAbyss | Ifaistos: Did you modprobe the serial chip's module, or just usbserial? |
| 12:26.57 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: I have added this to modprobe.d |
| 12:27.05 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: options usbserial vendor=0xaf0 product=0x6300 |
| 12:27.26 | NAbyss | Ifaistos: That just probes the generic usb serial class, not the module specific to the serial chip |
| 12:27.32 | NAbyss | for eg, I have to modprobe pl5101 |
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| 12:28.53 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: Its a 3g pcmcia card. inside it has a cardbus usb controler and attched to it 3 serial ports |
| 12:29.07 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: if i manually modprobe it works... |
| 12:29.29 | NAbyss | Ifaistos: Hmm, do a lsmod right after you modprobe, see if there's another module that depends on usbserial |
| 12:33.26 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: For some reason it complete ingnores the modprobe.d entry. i just rebooted and the usbserial is not loaded |
| 12:34.19 | NAbyss | Weird |
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| 12:35.43 | magnet | how do I add mirrors to local.conf ? the wiki page is missing. |
| 12:36.44 | NAbyss | export GNU_MIRROR = "http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/gnu" |
| 12:36.44 | NAbyss | export DEBIAN_MIRROR = "http://mirror.optusnet.com.au/debian/pool" |
| 12:36.44 | NAbyss | # export SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR = "http://optusnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge" |
| 12:36.50 | NAbyss | Minus the # |
| 12:37.04 | magnet | thanks. |
| 12:37.16 | magnet | it's for sources.redhat.com |
| 12:37.50 | NAbyss | No idea.. try REDHAT_MIRROR? |
| 12:38.03 | magnet | I'm trying to, but first I must locate it. |
| 12:39.08 | magnet | good. thanks for the help NAbyss . |
| 12:39.23 | NAbyss | np |
| 12:43.41 | Ifaistos | NAbyss: I checked the usbhotplug config files and the card is not mentioned there. any idea which file from the 3 availiable i should update ? |
| 12:43.55 | NAbyss | Ifaistos: Absolutely none.. haven't had reason to play with hotplug much |
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| 12:50.22 | RP | Ifaistos: Its probably not using hotplug but udev |
| 12:52.57 | mithro | hey RP |
| 12:52.59 | mithro | hows life? |
| 12:53.03 | Ifaistos | RP: Hi ! Shouldn't udev read the modpro.d and init the card ? |
| 12:56.30 | Ifaistos | seems others are having similar problems -> http://www.clasohm.com/blog/one-entry?entry_id=12177#comments |
| 12:56.41 | RP | mithro: Hi, still busy :) |
| 12:57.38 | RP | Ifaistos: You need to work out where OE is getting its module config from. I'm not 100% sure where it looks |
| 13:05.30 | NAbyss | RP: Is native a valid machine to use if wanting to build an app to test on the local machine, or is it just a pseudo-machine for cross-compilation? |
| 13:05.55 | lrg | could somebody please add gnutls-1.4.0.tar.bz2 to oesources.org (1.0.23 is the only version I can see) Thanks |
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| 13:06.39 | RP | NAbyss: Its a valid machine and in theory should work |
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| 13:06.55 | NAbyss | RP: Thanks, shall give it a go then |
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| 14:27.44 | mickey|zzZZzz | is it just our channel or is CIAbot IRC reporting broken eveywhere? |
| 14:27.49 | mickeyl | morning, btw. |
| 14:35.06 | pb__ | hi mickeyl |
| 14:35.19 | mickeyl | hey pb_ |
| 14:36.09 | RP | morning mickeyl |
| 14:37.33 | mickeyl | hi RP |
| 14:42.28 | mickeyl | btw. no go w/ i2c yet. i power on the camera but I don't get anything else except the exhausted retries error. to be honest, i don't understand what the 2.4 code does anyway. it seems it's registering an own adapter and not just a client driver |
| 14:43.05 | mickeyl | the mainstone 2.6.9 port doesn't bring me forward as well, because they seem to have add i2c-algo-pxa.c and i2c-adap-pxa, whereas mainline only contains one file |
| 14:43.14 | mickeyl | pretty confusing |
| 14:43.15 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:47.41 | RP | mickeyl: I think that all got merged into the one driver but I could be wrong |
| 14:48.46 | RP | mickeyl: Mainline already containts your adapter driver. You just need to add a suitable client |
| 14:48.56 | mickeyl | i see |
| 14:49.28 | mickeyl | then i just "need" to port http://vanille.de/temp/linux-2.4.20-mvl/drivers/i2c/e680_camera.c |
| 14:49.40 | mickeyl | (+ the v4l interface stuff, but that's another story) |
| 14:52.31 | RP | mickeyl: correct, you just need to port that code |
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| 15:50.34 | hrw | hi |
| 15:51.48 | pH5 | hi hrw |
| 15:52.34 | lrg | hey Marcin |
| 15:54.36 | RP | hi hrw |
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| 16:03.55 | hrw | something happened today? |
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| 16:04.17 | hrw | ~seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:04.27 | ibot | themastermind1 is currently on #oe (3d 37m 54s) #openzaurus (3d 37m 54s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3d 1m 59s, last said: '~change 52 eur to usd'. |
| 16:04.50 | hrw | ~seen reenoo |
| 16:04.55 | ibot | reenoo <n=r@sn50.informatik.uni-bremen.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 8d 44m 49s ago, saying: 'hey pb_ '. |
| 16:08.42 | magnet | RP: you're still around ? |
| 16:09.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hrw: hey |
| 16:09.34 | TheMasterMind1 | im headed to the post office in a few |
| 16:10.02 | hrw | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 16:10.07 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: ok |
| 16:13.04 | RP | magnet: yes |
| 16:13.36 | magnet | I'm working on some kernel module, is there any known docs for oe about this ? |
| 16:14.05 | RP | magnet: The best bet would be the orinoco or hostap .bb files |
| 16:14.54 | magnet | good, I'll make the new bb file. |
| 16:20.27 | hrw | someone used acer travelmate laptops? |
| 16:22.23 | raduga | hrw: a long, long time ago |
| 16:22.31 | raduga | none recently |
| 16:22.48 | raduga | although, i almost bought one (actually, four) recently |
| 16:24.21 | hrw | raduga: I'm searching for cheap laptop for Ania and acer travelmate 2423NWXCi looks interesting. celeron M with 1280x800 screen, dvdrw, wifi |
| 16:25.30 | hrw | ops.. 2423NWXMi rather (C has combo not dvdrw) |
| 16:25.37 | raduga | actually, that one looked good to me, too |
| 16:26.27 | raduga | hrw: ended up getting a better deal on an hp sempron64 machine, |
| 16:26.47 | raduga | but I didn't see anything obviously wrong with the 2423nw |
| 16:26.52 | hrw | or Acer Aspire 3623 NWXMI if she will prefer normal keyboard |
| 16:28.04 | raduga | how are the keyboards different? |
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| 16:28.23 | hrw | travelmate has 'curved/ergo' ones |
| 16:29.01 | raduga | I'm not finding any good pictures of them, just thumbnails |
| 16:29.04 | hrw | aspire has normal one |
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| 16:29.12 | raduga | (of the travelmate kb) |
| 16:29.28 | hrw | http://img.ktr.pl/n/nbactrav2423nwxci/db.jpg is small too.. |
| 16:29.51 | hrw | http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/3495.jpg |
| 16:29.59 | hrw | 1280x960 one |
| 16:30.13 | raduga | that looks... interesting. |
| 16:30.30 | raduga | i wonder if that gradual of a curve would be annoying |
| 16:30.54 | eFfeM | ~weather eheh |
| 16:31.05 | eFfeM | pfff |
| 16:31.14 | raduga | a flat ergo kb might actually not be too bad |
| 16:31.25 | raduga | thanks hrw |
| 16:31.29 | hrw | raduga: np |
| 16:31.33 | hrw | ~weather eppo |
| 16:31.38 | hrw | its too hot here |
| 16:31.48 | raduga | ~weather san |
| 16:31.55 | raduga | hrm |
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| 16:32.30 | ggilbert | pb_, yeah the site it's at tends to just disappear for a few minutes every now and then |
| 16:33.24 | raduga | ~weather ksan |
| 16:33.45 | eFfeM | hey, let's all head to san diego ... |
| 16:33.47 | lrg | ggilbert: it looks like gnu-tls-1.4.0.tar.bz2 is missing from oesources. |
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| 16:34.05 | raduga | effem: it is not too bad today. cloudy and overcast |
| 16:34.20 | raduga | its been about half-cloudy and half-sunny the last few weeks |
| 16:34.25 | raduga | sunny days it gets too warm |
| 16:34.30 | raduga | cloudy days it's ok |
| 16:34.49 | hrw | lrg: I'll add some gnutls mirrors |
| 16:35.06 | lrg | hrw: thanks |
| 16:35.27 | eFfeM | raduga, I know how san diego can be |
| 16:40.05 | pb__ | ggilbert: ah, heh |
| 16:40.26 | ggilbert | really annoying |
| 16:41.29 | ggilbert | I have a monitoring script on it to warn me when works network goes down, and half of the code in it is dedicated to making sure it dosn't page the fuck out of me when it disappears instead :p |
| 16:49.32 | raduga | effem: its strange... most people here consider "bright, sunny dry" weather to be... very good. |
| 16:49.47 | raduga | but I love SD the most when its cold, wet, rainy, or foggy, or cloudy, or gloomy |
| 16:50.52 | raduga | I have horrible sunburn from last week :/ even though I went outside (almost) completely covered up, from head to toe |
| 16:51.38 | eFfeM | this greatly depends on what the standard is. Here we went from the high 60s to almost 90 in only a few days |
| 16:51.46 | eFfeM | and this is not an airco country |
| 16:52.35 | raduga | airco? |
| 16:53.21 | hrw | air conditioner? |
| 16:53.36 | raduga | its been close to 30 degrees, a few times this past month |
| 16:54.03 | raduga | which is better than usual for june. we hit peak at about 33-34 for a month or two in the summer |
| 16:54.03 | eFfeM | raduga: is it so common in the us that you don't even know the word for it |
| 16:54.17 | raduga | effem: we don't usually call it "airco" |
| 16:54.35 | eFfeM | btw at the place my son used to work they had "adco" "all doors can open" |
| 16:54.39 | raduga | usually its "AC" or "Air conditioning" |
| 16:54.57 | eFfeM | I know, forgot about it |
| 16:54.58 | raduga | "Ay See" |
| 16:55.18 | raduga | AC is almost unknown in san diego |
| 16:55.29 | raduga | nobody here uses it; in other cities its more common |
| 16:55.48 | hrw | ~kill monotone |
| 16:55.52 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudoelectron gun at monotone |
| 16:55.52 | raduga | i.e. I have fans all over my house |
| 16:56.21 | eFfeM | is there anyone who can kick the nslu2-OpenSlug Linux on tinderbox ? |
| 16:56.38 | eFfeM | that is in a few minutes when my change passes by |
| 16:56.44 | raduga | effem: my favorite climate is between 10-25 degrees |
| 16:57.05 | raduga | if it stays near 22 most of the time, going down to maybe 12-13 in the winter, that would be nice |
| 16:57.11 | raduga | hrm |
| 16:57.13 | eFfeM | problem is that asterisk builds on my system but not on tinderbox due to different dependencies |
| 16:57.28 | eFfeM | raduga, understand that. I like the sfo weather |
| 16:59.21 | raduga | good to hear :) |
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| 17:01.11 | eFfeM | solely work, not even a decent computer store around to burn some money .... |
| 17:01.33 | eFfeM | (every time I visit the west coast I just have to go to fry's ...) |
| 17:05.17 | ggilbert | raduga: rainy, foggy, or gloomy is cool because it's different :p |
| 17:06.28 | raduga | effem: i would recommend frys other than San Diego - actually, any of the older (first generation) frys stores |
| 17:06.39 | raduga | the older ones are still themed, and they're kinda trippy inside |
| 17:06.47 | raduga | the newer ones are just big bug-ugly warehouses |
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| 17:11.46 | hrw | planet.linuxtogo.org is nice read.. |
| 17:11.49 | hrw | bbl |
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| 17:39.14 | eFfeM | raguda, was away for a while, the only two frys i visited is the one in redmond or milpitas and the one near seattle |
| 17:46.34 | eFfeM | trying to compile glibc 2.4 with gcc 4.1.1, I get compiler support for __thread is required |
| 17:46.52 | eFfeM | before I dig into this: is this a known issue/is there a known fix ? |
| 17:47.56 | woglinde | effem I never get glibc 2.4 compiled for simpad |
| 17:48.49 | eFfeM | I know there is a configure option --without-__thread |
| 17:49.18 | eFfeM | woglinde: as it is on R5, at least some people worked on it and should have gotten beyond configure |
| 17:49.25 | woglinde | but you will threads |
| 17:51.18 | eFfeM | woglinde: configure --help says: --without-__thread do not use TLS features even when supporting them |
| 17:51.34 | eFfeM | don't know what tls is, I would assume I do have threads. |
| 17:52.15 | eFfeM | maybe i need glibc-initial_2.4.bb and glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb first .... |
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| 17:54.09 | eFfeM | hmm google gives a lot of info |
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| 18:01.11 | hrw | re |
| 18:03.01 | RP | wb hrw |
| 18:03.07 | RP | I'd not seen the planet before :) |
| 18:04.07 | woglinde | hi rp |
| 18:04.10 | woglinde | re hrw |
| 18:04.16 | hrw | RP: ;) |
| 18:04.49 | hrw | woglinde: can you check price of 'Acer Travelmate 2423NWXMi' in berlin? |
| 18:05.41 | woglinde | hrw puh |
| 18:07.24 | hrw | ? |
| 18:07.41 | woglinde | dont know how to check |
| 18:07.52 | woglinde | would use www.geizhalz.at |
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| 18:08.09 | woglinde | I can look at my local mediamarkt |
| 18:08.59 | hrw | woglinde: ok - here I used few computer shops www pages to check it |
| 18:10.52 | woglinde | hrw I will look in the mediamarkt if is available |
| 18:11.01 | hrw | thx |
| 18:11.20 | woglinde | because I will buy a mmc card as present for my brother |
| 18:12.52 | RP | Is gnutls being nows a recent problem? |
| 18:13.08 | RP | nows? down... |
| 18:13.40 | hrw | RP: w8 a moment - I'll push something for it |
| 18:14.55 | hrw | ~change 650 eur to pln |
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| 18:23.20 | woglinde | hrw hm |
| 18:23.21 | woglinde | http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/acer_26/acer_travelmate/acer_travelmate_2423wxi |
| 18:24.04 | hrw | ~change 550 eur to pln |
| 18:24.06 | hrw | woglinde: thx |
| 18:24.25 | woglinde | buts wxi only not nwxi |
| 18:25.22 | hrw | ~lart acer for not normal names |
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| 18:25.42 | hrw | hi zecke |
| 18:26.02 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 18:26.25 | zecke | hey |
| 18:27.09 | woglinde | hrw |
| 18:27.11 | woglinde | http://www.mindfactory.de/cgi-bin/MindStore.storefront/DE/Product/0019997?pid=nbinfo |
| 18:27.31 | woglinde | in this online shop I bought serval things one printer and one desktop pc |
| 18:27.57 | RP | hi zecke |
| 18:28.19 | RP | zecke: I gave your tinderbox builds a few different error messages ;-) |
| 18:28.26 | zecke | good :) |
| 18:28.38 | zecke | RP: now you only need to inject code to make the website blink |
| 18:29.14 | zecke | wtf is puzzles? |
| 18:29.44 | RP | zecke: A nice collection of gtk based games. Very addictive. Try it on your desktop ;-) |
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| 18:31.10 | woglinde | hrw is this the notebook you want? |
| 18:35.20 | hrw | woglinde: moment |
| 18:35.47 | hrw | woglinde: yes |
| 18:35.48 | zecke | RP: no I'm supposed to study for my exam... :} |
| 18:36.34 | woglinde | hrw hm |
| 18:36.52 | woglinde | hrw maybee I can buy it for you |
| 18:37.01 | zecke | and keep it? |
| 18:37.06 | woglinde | no |
| 18:37.16 | woglinde | you own me a macpro |
| 18:37.18 | woglinde | zecke! |
| 18:37.25 | zecke | own me? |
| 18:37.27 | zecke | owe you? |
| 18:37.38 | woglinde | hms |
| 18:37.46 | zecke | owned |
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| 18:38.30 | cyrilRomain | 'evening all |
| 18:40.45 | hrw | woglinde: I will compare this price with local ones |
| 18:43.09 | hrw | woglinde: that shop sell it for less then acer.de want for it |
| 18:43.29 | woglinde | hrw hm dont forget the shipping pay |
| 18:44.10 | woglinde | 23,99 for 24h express |
| 18:44.38 | hrw | ok - will remember |
| 18:44.57 | woglinde | 6,90 normal |
| 18:45.04 | woglinde | but than last 4 weeks |
| 18:47.43 | RP | zecke: At least both builds fail on the same thing now :) |
| 18:49.38 | zecke | good |
| 18:51.42 | RP | zecke: We first need to convince them OE is good as they're not convinved yet... |
| 18:52.01 | RP | zecke: A response to that email from Tim Bird would be a good start |
| 18:52.11 | zecke | a new one? |
| 18:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | RP: they're convinced - they use OE in their new test lab |
| 18:53.30 | RP | CosmicPenguin: His email said "tried to use", didn't it? |
| 18:54.00 | CosmicPenguin | RP: the last I heard from Matthew Locke (the owner of the lab), they were up and running |
| 18:54.17 | RP | CosmicPenguin: ok, fair enough :) |
| 18:54.34 | RP | Improving tinderbox would be extremely useful... |
| 18:54.54 | CosmicPenguin | I went to his presentation at the CELF conference - surprised the heck out of me when they said they were using OE |
| 18:54.58 | RP | The only thing is we probably need to rewrite it a lot do deal with OE in an effective way... |
| 18:55.30 | zecke | not much |
| 18:55.41 | zecke | RP: there is not much to rewrite, just make it more configurable |
| 18:56.14 | RP | zecke: I'd like to see failures at the package level, not the target level |
| 18:56.59 | RP | zecke: So you could see package X was failing on machines A,B and C with DISTROs D and E |
| 18:57.13 | zecke | RP: well. I would start with 'bonsai' integration first |
| 18:57.21 | hrw | cu |
| 18:57.23 | zecke | RP: but then yes. The ultimate goal is a query tool like |
| 18:57.26 | hrw | woglinde: thx again |
| 18:57.37 | zecke | show me all configurations where FOO failed |
| 18:57.54 | RP | CosmicPenguin: It'd be nice to know more about these people using OE and how we could help them :) |
| 18:58.11 | zecke | RP: the lab is public |
| 18:58.26 | zecke | RP: did you see it yet? they do builds and then run the thing on a OMAP machine |
| 18:58.40 | RP | zecke: I haven't see it... |
| 18:59.27 | zecke | http://testlab.celinuxforum.org/ |
| 18:59.33 | woglinde | zecke I need you dvb-h device four the uni |
| 19:01.14 | zecke | woglinde: well ask BenQ. I think they sell them for 5 to 10k |
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| 19:10.46 | zecke | RP: oh both fail on gnutls? |
| 19:10.56 | zecke | RP: we should just add a mirror to base.bbclass |
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| 19:12.07 | sirfred | Hello. |
| 19:12.17 | woglinde | hi sirfred |
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| 19:17.57 | sirfred | mickeyl: What an strange thing. Compiling qte the same way that bitbake does gives me runtime errors (complains about missing symbols like __cxa_guard_acquire). I'm able to fix it just using arm-linux-g++ to link instead of arm-linux-gcc. But, why is it working from bitbake? |
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| 19:18.18 | zecke | RP: can qemu boot and provide a virtual display? |
| 19:18.23 | sirfred | mickeyl: Or in another words: Good evening. ;-) |
| 19:18.24 | zecke | RP: without a XServer running? |
| 19:18.46 | zecke | sirfred: specifying -lsupc++? |
| 19:19.13 | sirfred | zecke: instead of linking with arm-linux-g++ ? |
| 19:19.45 | zecke | yes |
| 19:19.53 | zecke | g++ links the fullblown stdc++ to it |
| 19:20.33 | nevarrie | q |
| 19:20.36 | sirfred | zecke: But as a dynamic lib, true? |
| 19:20.55 | sirfred | zecke: I don't see any trace of supc++ being used in the bitbake log. |
| 19:21.40 | zecke | sirfred: we do not use it for QtE |
| 19:21.46 | zecke | sirfred: but when we link applications |
| 19:22.08 | zecke | sirfred: yes, dynamically but most Opie/Qtopia apps do not use stl at all |
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| 19:24.01 | sirfred | zecke: Well, this is a dark and inhospitable world for me. |
| 19:24.26 | nevarrie | does the 2.6 kernel have anything like the MTDPARTS used with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:25.02 | sirfred | zecke: The thing is that the only piece I've changed is libqte. If the libsupc++ is linked in the binary, lets say qpe, I still don't understand. |
| 19:29.07 | RP | zecke: Adding mirrors would be good. I suspect OE has a similar problem so if we fix that, I'll mirror the fix |
| 19:29.53 | RP | zecke: I've not seen qemu use a null display so probably not out the box but it shouldn't be difficult to patch in - just make the SDL calls null... |
| 19:31.04 | zecke | RP: haha, this would require me finding time :) |
| 19:31.24 | zecke | RP: let us see if I get too annoyed with the red... |
| 19:31.36 | RP | zecke: You have this problem as well now? :) |
| 19:32.11 | zecke | RP: Next month I will go to vacation ;) |
| 19:32.19 | zecke | Who wants to host me for a week? ;) |
| 19:32.37 | RP | I go to GUADEC soon. I'm not sure what that counts as... |
| 19:33.17 | RP | zecke: I'd offer but there isn't enough space here for me, let alone anyone else :-( |
| 19:33.42 | zecke | mallum pays that bad? :} |
| 19:33.45 | zecke | poor guy |
| 19:33.46 | mithro | zecke: i could host you for a week if you came to Australia :) |
| 19:34.00 | zecke | mithro: A week would be not enough |
| 19:34.05 | zecke | but I will consider this offer |
| 19:34.31 | mithro | zecke: I've imposed myself on you enough, I think the least I could do is return the offer |
| 19:35.38 | zecke | RP: if you are as 'blowzy' as I am, things would change dramatically if you wash your dish(es) |
| 19:36.04 | RP | zecke: I'm at home with parents so not washing dishes is not an option ;-) |
| 19:36.55 | zecke | RP: you are at home as well? |
| 19:36.56 | zecke | wow |
| 19:37.43 | RP | Have you looked at the UK housing market recently? :-( |
| 19:38.05 | cyrilRomain | same here in France :-/ (with parents too) |
| 19:38.05 | zecke | no, not recently |
| 19:38.22 | sirfred | RP: I expect it not to be worse than here in Spain. |
| 19:38.40 | sirfred | But perhaps it is, because a lot of english are buying houses in my country. |
| 19:38.42 | zecke | Berlin has many cheap flats around |
| 19:38.43 | mithro | i'm at home with the parents too :) |
| 19:39.01 | zecke | and if you don't mind Nazis you can even move next to woglinde :} |
| 19:39.07 | zecke | (not that he is one) |
| 19:39.15 | mithro | mainly because I have no income |
| 19:39.17 | zecke | steorotypes :) |
| 19:39.24 | mithro | rather then the lack of housing |
| 19:39.24 | woglinde | mithro oh :( |
| 19:39.34 | mithro | woglinde: still a Uni student |
| 19:40.11 | RP | I could rent something but I'd much prefer to buy something so I need to wait until that's possible... |
| 19:40.20 | woglinde | damnit goal for italia |
| 19:40.36 | sirfred | RP: How much could a House "weight" in your country? |
| 19:41.07 | RP | sirfred: Around here you'd probably find nothing below 80,000GBP |
| 19:41.23 | sirfred | RP: Thats twice in euro, more or less? |
| 19:41.28 | sirfred | 160,000 € ? |
| 19:41.38 | RP | Near enough |
| 19:41.50 | sirfred | RP: Talking about a whole house or a flat? |
| 19:42.09 | RP | sirfred: probably a flat or a very small terrace for that |
| 19:42.19 | RP | sirfred: I have the added problem of my bike insurance requiring a garage and houses with garages cost a lot more say 120,000+ |
| 19:42.35 | sirfred | Expensive enough |
| 19:42.52 | RP | How does that compare to Spain? |
| 19:42.57 | woglinde | in the uk isnt so much space |
| 19:43.09 | woglinde | so prices are up |
| 19:43.26 | RP | I should also note that is a cheaper part of the UK in the grim north! |
| 19:43.40 | woglinde | rp uh hm |
| 19:43.50 | sirfred | RP: It's cheaper here, I'm in the northwest of Spain. |
| 19:43.50 | woglinde | but who wants to live their |
| 19:43.57 | zecke | woglinde: Al ;) |
| 19:44.24 | RP | woglinde: I like it here. The south is too busy and crowded. Just don't tell them about up here ;-) |
| 19:44.36 | zecke | woglinde: If I don't mess up too much things with Al, I will live in the UK soon(tm) :} |
| 19:44.50 | woglinde | zecke hm |
| 19:45.06 | zecke | soon a matter of years, in contrast to decades |
| 19:45.06 | RP | zecke: Which part of the UK are you aiming at? |
| 19:45.14 | sirfred | RP: I'm now looking for a house. A whole house, lets say 200 square meters of surface with a property of 2.000 square meters, about 200.000 - 300.000 euro. |
| 19:45.35 | zecke | RP: Not the south (south of you though) |
| 19:45.45 | zecke | RP: I think she would go for yorkshire |
| 19:45.49 | sirfred | RP: But the price changes a lot from place to place. |
| 19:46.10 | RP | sirfred: That sounds bigger than the places I'm thinking of :) |
| 19:46.25 | sirfred | RP: Anyway, prices are going up very fast, because of German and English. ;-) |
| 19:46.44 | sirfred | Now, with the cheap flights, a lot of them are considering buying houses for vacation here. |
| 19:46.51 | RP | zecke: Yorkshire is ok. Its still a long way North - I can be in Yorkshire in a few hours |
| 19:47.34 | RP | sirfred: I near enough know people with such houses :-/ |
| 19:48.03 | sirfred | RP: But, for example, in Madrid, where I used to live, prices are much higuer. For a 100 square meter flat you could pay 400.000 euro. |
| 19:48.36 | RP | sirfred: Lets not even think of what such a flat would cost in London! |
| 19:48.36 | sirfred | s/higuer/higher |
| 19:49.27 | sirfred | RP: I've heard that people is inheriting debts. |
| 19:50.10 | RP | Can you inherit debts? |
| 19:50.49 | sirfred | RP: Banks are giving mortgages to pay in 50 years. |
| 19:51.04 | sirfred | RP: So,... if you get one of those at 25 years old... well. |
| 19:51.17 | sirfred | RP: But I heard of that in London, perhaps it's not true. |
| 19:52.00 | sirfred | So , I suppose that you can inherite the flat, but also with the mortgage or something so. |
| 19:52.43 | RP | You definetly can't inherit debt. When you die, the estate would be sold and the bank pid back |
| 19:52.52 | RP | paid |
| 19:54.18 | sirfred | Perhaps fathers are selling the property to their childs. |
| 19:54.26 | sirfred | They can subrogate to the same mortgage, I suppose. |
| 19:55.34 | sirfred | At least here in Spain, the mortgate is associated with the property, not the individual. |
| 19:55.52 | CosmicPenguin | If you're lucky, then the price of the flat will go up enough to pay for the loan when you sell it |
| 19:55.52 | sirfred | You can transfer your mortgage to another person, if, for example, he buys your property. |
| 19:57.02 | sirfred | I have to leave now. |
| 19:57.04 | sirfred | See you. |
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| 20:24.55 | CosmicPenguin | Why is kernel.bbclass specificially building genksyms? |
| 20:27.49 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: for inter module deps? |
| 20:27.59 | zecke | (guess) |
| 20:28.25 | RP | I've no idea |
| 20:28.58 | RP | Well, I've lots of ideas but not useful ones :) |
| 20:29.57 | CosmicPenguin | it seems to get quite angry when you build a moduleless kernel |
| 20:30.50 | RP | CosmicPenguin: modprobe also got upset when you booted images like that. I fixed it but my fix should prehaps be installed by modutils instead... |
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| 20:52.40 | hrw | hi |
| 20:53.47 | RP | wb hrw |
| 20:55.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hrw: hey |
| 20:55.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i mailed the package this afternoon- got it insured for $500 |
| 20:58.45 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: good to know |
| 20:59.02 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: how much was postage costs? |
| 20:59.33 | hrw | RP: did my last changesets help with fetching gnutls? |
| 21:02.17 | TheMasterMind1 | hrw: don't worry bout it |
| 21:02.27 | RP | hrw: Ah, CIA is broken? :) |
| 21:02.33 | hrw | RP: looks like it |
| 21:02.55 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: I do not worry |
| 21:04.24 | zecke | hrw: oh thanks |
| 21:04.59 | hrw | zecke: thx for notice that I did it in not best way |
| 21:05.16 | hrw | zecke: .oz354x use oz 3.5.4 sources/ dir before oesources |
| 21:08.04 | RP | hrw: Thanks, it solves the problem and I'll check it into poky :) |
| 21:08.27 | hrw | I love php programmers which show SQL queries.. |
| 21:08.37 | hrw | http://www.tanio.net/TravelMate-2423NWXMi-PN-LXTB20C053/index.php?id=30893&mode=DodajOpinie |
| 21:09.42 | polyonymous_ | hrw, I love php programmers period ;-) |
| 21:09.44 | cyrilRomain | hrw: looks like a Matrix wallpapers, but in blue ;) |
| 21:10.06 | zecke | hrw: they obey GPL3? |
| 21:10.13 | zecke | showing the source code of the web app :} |
| 21:10.19 | hrw | ;)) |
| 21:10.38 | zecke | the database address + pw is inside the HTML? |
| 21:11.10 | polyonymous_ | zecke, force freedom upon users with an iron fist ;-) |
| 21:13.51 | hrw | RP: how do you feel - will Pavel finally start to cooperate with us or not? |
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| 21:20.24 | hrw | re |
| 21:36.30 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:36.31 | woglinde | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/22786.html |
| 21:37.14 | woglinde | oh hrw answer |
| 21:37.19 | woglinde | s |
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| 21:38.53 | hrw | ;) |
| 21:39.53 | hrw | ~change 2036 pln to eur |
| 21:42.12 | hrw | woglinde: local price for Acer TravelMate 2423NWXMi |
| 21:42.27 | RP | hrw: He'll continue as he is now. In his eyes he is cooperating :-/ |
| 21:42.34 | hrw | digged and found. |
| 21:42.44 | hrw | RP: nearly zautrix way |
| 21:42.48 | hrw | ~emulate zautrix |
| 21:42.49 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 21:43.05 | hrw | ~emulate hrw |
| 21:43.59 | woglinde | hrw hm |
| 21:44.10 | woglinde | hrw I should buy in poland |
| 21:44.46 | hrw | ;) |
| 21:45.19 | RP | hrw: I'll probably look at pulling his collie patches into OE at some point. I shouldn't have to but its the only way we'll get somewhere :-/ |
| 21:46.06 | RP | zecke: Tinderbox went green ;-) |
| 21:46.19 | hrw | RP: his tree was a bit mess last time I looked into.. but its probably because I did not understand git |
| 21:46.33 | RP | hrw: No, his tree is a mess :-( |
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| 21:47.02 | RP | hrw: His broken out patches are a mess. It'll need cleaning before we can use it |
| 21:48.14 | hrw | zautrix way... |
| 21:48.50 | hrw | get something which work and make it working only for author. Refuse any cooperation other then "sources available" |
| 21:50.19 | woglinde | nite |
| 21:50.47 | hrw | btw - http://planet.linuxtogo.org/ will get some more content from my blog - switched to FeedBurner so also my del.icio.us bookmarks will appear |
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| 21:58.36 | zecke | RP: wow, it went green |
| 21:58.40 | zecke | RP: cheater ;) |
| 21:59.20 | zecke | RP: what is the email address you use for the OE bug tracker? |
| 22:00.56 | zecke | RP: you can login into the tinderbox using your OE bug tracker account |
| 22:01.08 | zecke | RP: and you can manage poky stuff (remove machines, change defaults) |
| 22:02.30 | zecke | okay good nite |
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| 22:10.43 | hrw | RP: [ARM] 3547/1: PXA-OHCI: Allow platforms to specify a power budget |
| 22:10.53 | hrw | RP: can we add it into current 2.6.16? |
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| 22:38.56 | RP | hrw: We can. Its in my patches directory already, we just need to add it :) |
| 22:40.33 | hrw | RP: I think that its nice to get it - it should remove those 'my wlan stick is detected but not work' posts iirc? |
| 22:40.46 | RP | hrw: Yes, it should |
| 22:41.36 | RP | hrw: I'll probably do a big kernel update in the next few days |
| 22:41.42 | hrw | great |
| 22:42.08 | RP | I've got a rather time consuming job out the way (not work related) and have a certain bit of time back now :) |
| 22:44.21 | RP | 'night all |
| 22:44.28 | hrw | hmm.. nice things can be found.. |
| 22:44.30 | hrw | n8 rp |
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| 22:47.38 | hrw | cu |
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