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00:00.26cyrilRomainlikewise: ok, which date it correspond to ?
00:01.10likewisecyrilRomain: I do not know how I can see. I have written it down in my build.sh which starts the build.
00:01.20likewiseI think it is more than one week old.
00:01.31likewisecyrilRomain: about two weeks is my best gues
00:01.33likewise+s
00:02.33likewisecyrilRomain: it's from May 12th 2006
00:02.38cyrilRomainlikewise: well ok. time to pull to this revision and to diff
00:02.42likewisehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=953b27f3fde0c6c63190674f1232e712c0f58d35
00:02.52cyrilRomainlikewise: thanks
00:03.54likewisecyrilRomain: what machine,distro combo do you test?
00:04.05likewisecyrilRomain: angstrom-2006.9, ep93xx here
00:04.06cyrilRomainloop started between the 15th and the 19th
00:04.17cyrilRomainlikewise: angstrom-2006.9, tosa here
00:11.37cyrilRomainlikewise: no suspicious changes in angstrom-2006.9.conf
00:12.11likewisecyrilRomain: koen mentioned to me the last patch was the arm-longlong patch
00:12.59cyrilRomainlikewise: what is the arm-longlong patch ? when koen did applied it ?
00:13.37likewisecyrilRomain: it's in packages/glibc/glibc-2.4 somewhere.
00:13.53likewisecyrilRomain: I do not know when it was applied. I am looking.
00:14.12cyrilRomainlikewise: ok, I'm starting diff in glibc/glibc-2.4 now
00:16.39likewisecyrilRomain: curious what you find, I find nothing for glibc-2.4...
00:18.33zeckenite
00:18.42cyrilRomainnite zecke
00:18.57likewisenite
00:19.18cyrilRomainlikewise: well, no change in glibc-2.4
00:19.54likewisecyrilRomain: I found a change in gcc:
00:20.03likewiseSRC_URI_append_fail-fast = " file://zecke-no-host-includes.patch;patch=1 "
00:20.12likewisezecke: still here? :-)
00:20.30zeckeabout to move to bed
00:21.07likewisezecke: good. we are hunting down the glibc build loop, we try without your patch no-host-include patch. Maybe glibc was broken from the start.
00:21.14likewisezecke: Good nite! Sleep tight
00:21.35Ken|JLimezecke: nite
00:21.50zeckelikewise: I would be schocked if that patch would influence anything
00:22.45likewisezecke: ok
00:22.59likewisecyrilRomain: maybe we should do a binary search?
00:23.09likewisestart with 17-5-2006?
00:23.20likewiseand go back or forward from there
00:23.45cyrilRomainwell, we can stick with this version (12 march)
00:24.57cyrilRomainwe are both sure that no loop was here on 12th may
00:25.04cyrilRomains/march/may
00:26.44likewiseyes, but I would like to find the change that made it go bad
00:28.17likewisecyrilRomain: shouldn't you be in bed by now? :-)
00:28.48cyrilRomainlikewise: yes, but I don't work tomorow :)
00:29.23cyrilRomainlikewise: and this bug block me since too long
00:29.50likewisecyrilRomain: I am thinking of building a 17-5 snapshot tonight
00:30.17cyrilRomainto make diff on tmp/work/* files ?
00:31.15cyrilRomainwell, ok you're right, then I'll build a 16-5 or 18-5 snapshot tonight
00:31.18likewiseto see if it loops, if so, I go to 15-5
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00:42.53likewisecyrilRomain: ok, so 12-17
00:43.38cyrilRomainlikewise: hum... yes
00:44.06cyrilRomainI'm quite sure the problem started on 15-5 or 16-5, so 12-17 is ok
00:44.21cyrilRomainor even 12 - 18
00:45.20likewisecyrilRomain: seems http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/ crashed...
00:45.51cyrilRomainlikewise: Doh !
00:46.05cyrilRomainwell, this will be more difficult to test
00:46.24cyrilRomains/test/get the revision id
00:47.06likewiseyes I am now using the tarballs from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/
00:47.18cyrilRomainlikewise: oh wait, I reported some build on tinderbox last week
00:49.40cyrilRomainlikewise: ok, on 13-5, I could build a bootstap-image without problem
00:51.10likewisecyrilRomain: okido, I will let my build (17-5 snapshot) run and start from there tomorrow. cu tommorow?
00:51.50cyrilRomainlikewise: then on 15 ipkg-cl started to segfault
00:52.09cyrilRomainlikewise: and i is not many times later that the glibc loop came
00:52.34likewisecyrilRomain: ok, 15-18 then :-)
00:52.53likewisecyrilRomain: I am catching some sleep. Good nite.
00:52.58cyrilRomainso, do I build a 13-5 snapshot ?
00:53.15cyrilRomaingo for 14-5
00:53.21cyrilRomaingood night
00:53.25likewisecyrilRomain: Fair enough.
00:53.30cyrilRomainlikewise: yes, tomorrow I'll be there
00:53.38likewiseok, c u then
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01:08.50cyrilRomainnight all (3:00am here)
01:09.25paxlCan somone point me where to learn how to develop in Oz ? using OE an Bitbake
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05:36.42Frgmorning
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05:52.09Frgwhat to do so it wont download qemu cvs every day and build it again?
05:57.01jacquesyeah, me too
06:00.44jacquesI guess we could put a CVS_DATE for it
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06:20.01Frgi have enough of updating nodocs_cvs.patch every day the Makefile changes :)
06:20.10Frgadded CVSDATE
06:21.00Frgand SRCDATE = ${CVSDATE}    in qemu_cvs.bb
06:21.56jacquesFrg, lol I have same problem with nodocs patch - I just removed it
06:22.09Frghaha
06:22.12jacquesdunno what it does that's so important anyway
06:22.30Frgremoves the man pages ;)
06:22.47Frgcya later, afk
06:23.04jacqueslater :-)
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06:28.01emtethat is the incorrect way to do it
06:28.10emteyou define overrides in your local.conf
06:28.43emteyou shouldnt modify bb files to lock down a cvsdate
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06:30.47emteCVSDATE_handhelds-pxa-2.6 = "20051221"
06:30.53emteis an example
06:30.57emteof an override
06:41.50jacquesthanks emte, I had forgotten that
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06:42.38jacquesis there an easy override for gcc LANGUAGES ? so I can make it not build javac for example
06:43.56emte...
06:44.00emteare you using unstable?
06:44.30emtejavac wont build for any non-ia32/64 as far as i know
06:44.51emteand is disabled for most bb files
06:47.34hrwhi
06:47.51hrwjacques, Frg: when did nodocs.patch started to not apply?
06:49.35jacquesemte, I'm pretty sure it just built (accidentally on my part) for powerpc
06:50.03jacqueshrw, for me over a week ago I think
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06:50.34hrwyou use floating SRCDATE?
06:51.03cyrilRomainmorning all
06:51.07emteis qemu locked down in any distro?
06:51.45hrwemte: oz 3.5.4x has 0.7.1 only
06:52.52jacquesthis is for the qemuarm stuff
06:53.02jacquesapparently it is indeed floating
06:53.15jacques0.8.0+cvs or somesuch
06:54.47hrwhmm.. that patch has no sense to me
06:54.55jacquespowerpc-603e-linux-gnu-gcj - is that the java compiler ?
06:55.03hrwyes
06:55.03jacquesit took forever to build
06:55.25jacqueshrw, for me the nodocs patch is a lot more trouble than it's worth
06:55.38jacquesibot, seen RP
06:55.50ibotrp is currently on #gpe (3d 13h 39m 51s) #oe (3d 13h 39m 51s) #openzaurus (3d 13h 39m 51s) #handhelds.org (3d 13h 39m 51s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 1d 16h 19m 27s, last said: 'mickeyl: yay :)'.
06:56.04jacquesI keep meaning to ask RP about it
06:57.28hrwjacques: looks like it ned to be dropped
06:57.38jacquesI agree
06:58.54jacquesheh, building a familiar-unstable bootstrap-image for lite5200 almost worked :-)
06:59.16emtethat is suprising
06:59.45emteanyway, you not add a flag to override nodocs?
06:59.48jacquesit worked all the way til NOTE: package bootstrap-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs
07:00.26emteif you do it properly it will be transparent and unobtrusive
07:01.44emtei added the NONSYSV flag for a special case reason that normal users never see
07:01.56jacquesconsidering the last time (a couple months ago) I looked at powerpc support in oe I couldn't even get it to build a toolchain (probably my fault) I am rather happy
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07:03.04emtecurrently the only place that it modifies things is fakeroot
07:04.03emteas my system cannot use fakeroot built with sysv so it switches to building it with tcp
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07:57.11koengood morning all
07:57.25cyrilRomainhi koen
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08:05.28koenhey cyrilRomain
08:06.58ade|deskwill gcc4.1.0 uclibc svn works for c only c++ gets mangled by something in OE, works perfectly in buildroot
08:07.04ade|desks/will/well
08:07.07ade|deskmorning all
08:10.15jacqueshmm, I wouldn't say "perfectly"
08:10.38jacquesI had to enable locales to get it to build for powerpc
08:10.54jacqueswhich significantly increases the size
08:11.16jacques(of libstdc++ and libc)
08:11.38ade|deskyou can set the locales to only build a minimum locale set in extras/locale
08:12.06jacquesI'll have to check that out
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08:20.15hrw|workcan you guys test my latest push (pcre fix) on misc targets?
08:20.47hrw|workI got it built on arm-linux-glibc and mipsel-linux-uclibc but not tested on device
08:20.53CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3395fc22... 10/packages/pcre/pcre_4.4.bb:
08:20.53CIA-9pcre: stop libtool from trying to link with host libraries - fix from #33
08:20.54CIA-9- this resolve build problem on amd64 - #1015
08:21.08hrw|workthat one ;)
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08:35.03v8jlenehrw|work: Works for me on sh4, but it worked for me prior to your change. (x86_64 Fedora Core 4 host on an AMD X2).
08:35.51hrw|workok
08:37.22v8jleneWhy do I have to monotone merge when the new changes didn't effect anything I've touched? Am I going to have to do this every single time I pull some new changes?
08:41.22koenif you committed stuff, but haven't pushed yet, yes
08:44.48v8jlenekoen: Ok. That could be annoying. Guess it make sense from what I know of how mt works... I get "failed, disconnecting" errors when I tried to push at the moment though.
08:45.24koenare you pushing to ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl?
08:45.43swshi, im trying to use Xfbdev from kdrive on my poodle, but it doesnt recognize my touchscreen, how do I get that tslib calibration screen
08:46.04koensws: ts_calibrate or xtscal
08:46.35v8jlenekoen: I tried that earlier, and then changed the default over to monotone.vanille.de and tried again. Some result in both cases.
08:46.53swsafter ts_calibrate Xfbdev still says : selected device is not a touchscreen I understand
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08:48.58koenv8jlene: could you try pushing to ewi546 again?
08:49.06koenv8jlene: I'm now watching the server console
08:49.47v8jlenekoen: What will happen now that I have hrw's last commit and it's not yet on ewi? Does that just mean I'll also push his change and no problems will occur?
08:50.03koenthat doesn't really matter
08:50.15v8jlenekoen: Ok, will push now..
08:50.21koenpushing is one-directional
08:50.40koenah, hmm
08:50.44koenI think I know why it fails
08:51.27koenok, try now
08:51.44v8jleneOk, its going..
08:51.49koenmonotone: allowed 'lenehan@openembedded.org' write permission for 'org.openembedded.dev' excluding ''
08:51.57koenI forgot to add you to the ACL
08:52.25v8jleneThat'd do it allright.
08:52.30v8jleneHopefully this works ok....
08:53.40CoreDump|homemorning
08:53.49koenv8jlene: now do a 'monotone sync ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl org.openembedded.dev'
08:53.51koenhey CoreDump|home
08:56.10CIA-903lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r5784b72c... 10/packages/quagga/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
08:56.10CIA-9quagga: Add 0.99.4, fix bgp package name, some cleanups.
08:56.10CIA-9* Added version 0.99.4 which fixes a number of bugs in the previous
08:56.10CIA-9<PROTECTED>
08:56.10CIA-9* Fix the name of BGP package and init scripts - it should be bgpd
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08:56.43koenah right, I need to contact ifaistos about that
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08:57.47koenhey zecke
09:00.03ade|deskare --build= and --host= mainly the same thing ?
09:00.05v8jlenekoen: Done. Now what exactly does sync do? It's not mentioned on the MonotonePhraseBook page. Guess I better look at the monotone documentation again...
09:01.58zeckedamn, I have NFS errors again...
09:03.34koenv8jlene: sync = push + pull
09:03.51koenv8jlene: that makes sure org.oe.dev is the same on the server and your workstation
09:06.01v8jlenekoen: Ok, got it. It even seems to have worked without breaking anything. Thanks.
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09:07.14koenyou should also be able to push to monotone.vanille.de now
09:08.53hrw|workhttp://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/05/26/amd64-switch-to-it-or-not/
09:09.16hrw|workv8jlene: you are lenehan?
09:10.03CIA-903coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r910736b9... 10/packages/display-brightness/ (display-brightness.sh display-brightness_1.0.0.bb): display-brightness: Use head -n 1 not head -1 to determine driver, closing bug #1004. Also fixed a problem with poodles kernel 2.6 driver and added a small help text
09:10.07v8jlenehrw|work: Yep.
09:10.08CIA-903coredump 07org.oe.dev * rf58607b4... 10/packages/display-brightness/ (display-brightness.sh display-brightness_1.0.0.bb): display-brightness: Use head -n 1 not head -1 to determine driver, closing bug #1004. Also fixed a problem with poodles kernel 2.6 driver and added a small help text
09:11.09v8jlenehrw|work: I upgraded from a PIII-700 to an AMD X2 4400+... it's sooo much better it's not funny. I documented my mb here: http://www.melb.apana.org.au/wiki/GAK8NUltra9
09:11.56CoreDump|homehmm X2, yummie!
09:11.59v8jlenehrw|work: v8jlene is V8 + J (Jamie) + Lene (Lenehan). I use v8jlene in places where lenehan is taken.
09:13.00zeckeX2?
09:13.04zeckeThe X2 complot?
09:15.51pb__hail zecke
09:16.21CoreDump|home~lart keylaunch
09:19.09zeckepb__: do you remember the issues I had with NFS?
09:19.21zeckepb__: I have them again... do you remember a resolution?
09:20.23pb__zecke: sorry, I don't remember those issues
09:20.29pb__what was (is) happening?
09:21.52zeckeThe Shark sits at "Freeing Init Memory"
09:21.59zeckeafter having mounted NFS root
09:22.12koenzecke: wrong permission on the nfs server?
09:22.16koenhappended to me once
09:23.31zeckeno_root_squash :}
09:23.54zeckehmm it looks like the Shark is making up a bogus gateway
09:25.33pb__zecke: ah, that again
09:25.41pb__I think you resolved it last time by reducing the rsize
09:26.06zeckeit is still 1024 and smaller than the MTU
09:28.04CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * r8e490544... 10/conf/machine/h2200.conf: h2200.conf: tts/0 -> ttyS0, closes #1044
09:29.57pb__ah
09:29.59hrw|workzecke, koen: how goes plans to migrate to 0.26+ monotone?
09:30.23hrw|workmy home machine will soon finish pulling 516 revs (about 2h)
09:30.27koenyou'd have to ask zeke
09:31.33CIA-903coredump 07org.oe.oz354x * r79167c32... 10/packages/keylaunch/ (files/akita/keylaunchrc keylaunch_2.0.10.bb): keylaunch: Akita: Swap Calendar and Address key binding, closing bug #1026
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09:31.53zeckehrw|work: as soon as I have chatted called mickeyl (monday)
09:32.02hrw|workzecke: ok
09:34.02CoreDump|home_law_: ping
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09:37.59zeckerwhitby: hi
09:41.44lardman|workmorning
09:41.53hrw|workhi lardman
09:42.21v8jleneWhat should be done in situations like now where org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads? Was like this few a few hours this morning as well.
09:42.22hrw|workuf.. 1h50m for 516 revs
09:42.52hrw|workv8jlene: check heads and pester its creators to merge or merge by itself
09:43.01CoreDump|homev8jlene: mt merge --lca
09:43.52v8jleneCoreDump|home: I'm not sure I trust mt at this point enough to run commands I don't understand ;-)
09:43.55lardman|workwow, ~6k revisions between now and the bzip'd OE.db I downloaded a couple of days ago
09:44.04koentry a normal 'monotone merge' first
09:44.19lardman|workSilly, me, that must be the total
09:44.22lardman|workBack to sleep
09:44.52v8jlenekoen: So in theory I do an "mt merge", it'll merge and then I should push that merge back? Assuming no conflicts?
09:46.21koenyes
09:46.35koenif you have conflicts, try the --lca option
09:49.07v8jleneNo conflicts. How long does it take for things to propagate between ewi and vanille?
09:49.18koen15 minutes
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09:54.30v8jleneIs one of ewi or vanille preferred?
09:54.43koenwe most of the times push to vanille
09:55.04koenput that one gets wedged sometimes due to the high amount of connections
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09:56.27v8jlenekoen: Ok, I'll change my default over.
09:57.12hrw|workI first used vanille then switched to ewi (most of my OE work is on ewi) then back to vanille
09:58.56v8jleneIt looks to me like each of the multiple head issues in the past few hours has been caused be people pushing to the two different servers.
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09:59.35zeckedamn
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10:17.22Bernardogood morning
10:17.40hrw|workhi Bernardo
10:18.20koenhey Bernardo
10:18.40CIA-903lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rf838bfb7... 10/packages/arpwatch/arpwatch_2.1a13.bb: arpwatch 2.1a13: Add fakeroot-native to DEPENDS since it's required to build. Closes #946.
10:18.45CIA-903lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra28eb033... 10/site/ (sh4-linux sh4-linux-uclibc):
10:18.45CIA-9site/sh4: Update the sh4 site files. This contains all of the changes over
10:18.45CIA-9collected over the past 6 months for sh4 and gets a large amount of the non
10:18.45CIA-9UI related components building.
10:25.07zeckerwhitby: I have two 'issues' with NSLu2 :)
10:26.17zeckerwhitby: first could you add the patch from http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=773 and test it?
10:26.37zeckerwhitby: and the second machine/include/ixp4xx.conf resets OVERRIDES
10:26.41zeckerwhitby: removing fail-fast
10:37.04koenzecke: is the svg done yet?
10:37.41zeckekoen: I'm a moron ;)
10:38.08zeckekoen: I forgot to let it run in a screen...
10:38.52rwhitbyzecke: is that bitbake patch in svn?
10:39.15zeckerwhitby: it is a candidate for backport
10:39.20rwhitbyand for the second one, are you able to commit a fix?
10:39.25zeckerwhitby: it will be in svn in a day or two
10:40.00zeckerwhitby: no 'proper' one. You want to add ixp4xx in the middle. I will commit a fix though
10:40.28rwhitbythx - I expect you'd be far more successful with a fix than I would be.
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10:41.10zeckerwhitby: hehe, I will copy and paste the line from bitbake.conf again :}
10:42.10rwhitbyzecke: I won't have time in the next few days to test that bitbake patch unfortunately.  A busy weekend with no time for hacking.
10:43.28zeckerwhitby: that is fine
10:51.23koenlike|zzz: I sent a mail to the person who reported #90 asking for a solution
10:52.58cyrilRomainkoen: cool
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10:54.44cyrilRomainkoen: I tested different OE tarballs to determine when this bug arised
10:55.31cyrilRomainkoen: what is strange is that the glibc2.4 compiled without problem 1 week ago, and it was with the same glibc tarball ....
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10:58.23cyrilRomainkoen: but I don't find striking changes... PARALLEL_MAKE = "" was added to glibc_2.4.bb but removed on 20-5, so should not be that ....
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11:12.43koencyrilRomain|food: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE-20060518-20060519.diff.bz2
11:12.45koenthat's the diff
11:16.13RPmorning all
11:16.18koenhey RP
11:16.25RPjacques: Did you want me?
11:16.42koencyrilRomain|food: I suspect the -isystem change makes glibc loop
11:16.55hrw|workhi RP
11:17.16hrw|workRP: nodocs.patch in qemu-native is why jacques want you
11:17.50RPhrw|work: Did qemu add a way to disable the document generation?
11:18.25RPzecke: Do you know anything about the manifest code in oe/bitbake?
11:19.13zeckeRP: no
11:19.30zeckeRP: you emit the manifest task in base.bbclass?
11:19.57RPzecke: One of my packages has a manifest file in it which causes a few issues
11:20.03hrw|workRP: dont know - .oz354x has qemu 0.7.1
11:20.14RPzecke: It also highlights that the manifest code is suffering bitrot
11:20.37RPzecke: Since nobody is using it, why is it there? :)
11:20.40zeckeRP: it does, what is the MANIFEST used for (I only know it from python)
11:20.51zeckeRP: dunno, ask kergoth
11:21.47RPzecke: I suspect it can become its own class at the very least
11:22.09zeckeRP: this is almost for sure
11:22.15RPkergoth: ping :)
11:22.44woglindehi koen
11:22.49koenhey woglinde
11:22.58woglindemade bugreport for msp430
11:23.10woglinde1045
11:23.31RPhrw|work: I have some patches for qemu so I'll refresh that patch when I deal with that
11:24.03woglindehm new java update
11:26.30_guillermowoglinde: what java update?
11:26.41woglinde1.5.0_uodate7
11:26.43woglindeups padte7
11:27.01_guillermoamm, I though the update would be now it's open source
11:27.01woglindefrom sun
11:27.11woglindenot yet
11:27.23woglindehihi
11:27.25woglinde6367204 hotspot garbage_collector CMS: Poor garbage collection performance
11:28.34_guillermozecke: the pcmciautils problem is still on oz354x, should I report a bug or will it be merged with .dev?
11:29.00woglindeguillermo I would file a bug
11:29.09woglindewhich than should be closed
11:29.20hrw|work_guillermo: simple copy from .dev is enough?
11:29.24zecke_guillermo: reopen the bug :)
11:30.23_guillermohrw|work: I guess, it was just changing a line from "/usr/sbin/ln" to "ln" basically
11:30.37hrw|workok willpush
11:31.00zeckeRP: I think we can almost savely remove that
11:31.22RPzecke: From OE, bitbake or both? :)
11:32.05zeckeRP: OE at first
11:33.29mickeylthe manifest stuff was a cool idea
11:33.35pb__hail mickeyl
11:33.39woglindehi mickeyl
11:33.42mickeylthe idea was to automatically get the files that are necessary to make do_install
11:33.52mickeylgood morning pb, woglinde, et.al.
11:33.55koenhey mickeyl
11:33.59RPhi mickeyl
11:34.09mickeylalas, i don't think we need it atm., so feel free to externalize it
11:34.15mickeylhey RP
11:34.27mickeylRP: i pointed Harald to your kernel for implementation of
11:34.27hrw|workhi mickeyl
11:34.29mickeyla) backlight
11:34.34mickeylb) LED
11:34.39mickeylc) hinge sensor
11:34.49mickeylI hope he'll see the greatness of your code
11:34.52mickeyl*crossing fingers*
11:35.11RPmickeyl: Those are all nicely established in mainline now so lets hope so :)
11:35.14koenmickeyl: I had a neat idea for a video player: resize the window on hinge close
11:35.30mickeylkoen: heh, cool idea,
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11:35.57RPmickeyl: I did agree to having the keyboard switch definitions redefined but the good news is we stay backwards compatible this time
11:36.09mickeylRP: ah good.
11:36.19mickeylRP: http://www.vanille.de/temp/a780
11:36.33mickeylslowly, but progressing :)
11:36.42RPmickeyl: It also means opie can just listen for the signal under 2.6 and always use it to rotate the display etc.
11:37.24RPmickeyl: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/input_switch_rename-r0.patch
11:37.26zeckemickeyl: do you have your phone yet?
11:37.34mickeylzecke: yes! :D
11:37.41mickeylzecke: the photos are taken by me
11:38.03cyrilRomainkoen: well, I'll try with -isystem removed. Is it safe ?
11:38.06RPmickeyl: With this manifest code, I still don't understand what its meant to do. Was this something for precompiled binaries?
11:38.11mickeylRP: ah ok, that's ok
11:38.44hrw|work_guillermo: pushed
11:38.51koencyrilRomain: I'm building as we speak :)
11:38.54mickeylRP: iirc the idea was to have a manifest-generating mode in which we run do_install to generate manifest for a package and then on subsequent runs we use this manifest to decide what files to put where
11:38.56RPmickeyl: It should make 2.6 device abstraction a bit easier
11:39.05_guillermomickeyl: the pictures are promising, what are the biggest difficulties now with the a780?
11:39.09cyrilRomainkoen: ok :)
11:39.36mickeyl_guillermo: biggest difficulties are kernel wise atm. problems in early init code, AP/BP handshake, and of course... accessing the BP at all
11:39.55mickeyl(BP=Baseband Processor, the one that does all the phone stuff)
11:40.00mickeyl(AP=Application Processor)
11:40.01CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4e02b929... 10/packages/pcmciautils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pcmciautils: got fixes from .dev - should not segfault now
11:40.27_guillermomickeyl: how much code and info is motorola releasing?
11:40.28RPmickeyl: ok. I'll look at moving it into a manifest class. At least I have some idea what it was meant to do now, thanks :)
11:40.40mickeyl_guillermo: unbelievably much. we have nearly everything we asked for
11:40.47mickeylRP: :)
11:40.59koenand motorola is opensourcing stuff as well
11:41.18zeckekoen: hehe
11:41.34mickeylRP: i think the idea of a universal device daemon will be realized sooner or later
11:41.35mickeylRP: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347
11:41.37_guillermomickeyl: that's great, I don't know if it's just me but I feel a strong change in embedded industry about open source
11:41.48mickeylRP: I'm fed up of doing anything twice and more :)
11:42.20mickeyl_guillermo: It's not you. There is a change. It's slowly, but I think it's unstoppable
11:42.43ade|deskah can someone tell me about overrides, please
11:42.54cyrilRomainkoen: any answer from Boris Kolpackov ?
11:43.16koencyrilRomain: not yet
11:43.26likewisecyrilRomain: hi there
11:43.33koenhey likewise
11:43.35likewisekoen: hi
11:43.38cyrilRomainhey likewise
11:43.47_guillermoanyone remember what package was giving problems with akita and the touchpad in .dev? I want to do some testing
11:44.00likewisecyrilRomain: I see you found the right diff, right?
11:44.06ade|deskthere is an EXTRA_OECONF_uclibc = "someoption" but it seems to be overlooked ... is that the correct way to have overrides for uclibc builds?
11:44.13cyrilRomainlikewise: yep
11:44.20zeckekoen: wonderful :}
11:44.52likewisekoen: probably the -isystem affects glibc (which maybe is broken then). I will start a build without -isystem, but maybe with fail_fast enabled.
11:45.15cyrilRomainlikewise: but not the thing patch that makes the loop. Koen is trying without the -isystem line in bitbake.conf
11:45.48koenthe build can't fail now
11:46.00koenI'm wearing my o-hand shirt :)
11:46.03likewisecyrilRomain: OK, koen is already on it then. "the thing patch"??
11:46.07RPmickeyl: I can see a role for zaurusd renamed as devmand for this
11:46.10likewise:-)
11:46.36_guillermohow come I have my oz354x tree updated but I see only openzaurus rc2 and not rc4?
11:47.37mickeylRP: righto. I even see that I could write this daemon in C++ as no one will care unless it exports everything over a dbus interface :)
11:48.36cyrilRomainlikewise: yes the 'thing patch' or 'the modification that cause the loop'
11:48.37koenspeaking of shirts...
11:48.48mickeylmallum promised me a o-hand shrit
11:48.53mickeyli still don't have one :)
11:49.04mickeylkoen: yay! :)
11:49.09RPmickeyl: I was wondering about puting a lot of the device specific config into zaurusd. It could easily absorb things like the current ts-conf for example
11:49.42mickeylRP: exactly. a single point of device knowledge accesable from all GUI environments and also console stuff would be much appreciated
11:50.02mickeylRP: I really woudl like to remove most deviceisms from Opie and GPE and E
11:50.07RPmickeyl: Yes. I'm just unsure how that would do down with other OE devs
11:50.43RPmickeyl: I can see some people saying that they don't want to have to install devmand, One aim of devmand is that is will optimise itself to the smallest possible size though
11:51.30koenmickeyl: just to get a quote and hints on how to adjust the logo
11:51.47RPmickeyl: I will remind mallum ;-)
11:51.51mickeylRP: thanks :)
11:52.56mickeylRP: the major thing concerning me is latency. deviceisms in the core have the advantage of being fast. if it will take 5 seconds to sense a rotation from hardware to opie that would be unacceptable for me
11:53.30koenI think the best way is that someone add dbus support to zaurusd/devmand and people can discuss it from there
11:53.37koeninstead of getting stuck at the design
11:53.37mickeylrighto
11:53.55mickeylwell, a bit of design can't hurt :)
11:54.02RPAt present there is code for an switchevd in zaurusd. The idea was always to interface that to dbus
11:54.05mickeylat least for the object ree / path
11:54.12mickeylRP: excellent.
11:54.14RPThere should be little latency from  switchevd
11:54.38RPswitchevd is only built/installed for devices that say they need it
12:01.49Frgwhat is the prefered way to add some missing -llibrary to makefile's LIBS=...   withought changing package sources?
12:02.23mickeyldepends on the buildsystem
12:02.27mickeylin your case:
12:02.56mickeylEXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST += "LIBS+=-lopietooth2"
12:02.57mickeyli guess
12:03.14mickeylalthough i'm still questioning why that is necessary on your system and not on mine
12:03.30Frgim missing -lopiebluez in many packages
12:03.48mickeylI'd rather inquiry upstream than to fix that in OE
12:03.57mickeylplease write a mail to opie-devel@handhelds.org
12:03.57Frgelse it shows unreferenced symbols in libqpe
12:04.23hrw|workatleast opie upstream react fast
12:04.48Frgwhat should i put there
12:05.22mickeylfind out which packages need -lopiebluez and ask them if they forgot this dependency or if it's intentional
12:05.36mickeylmight also add that it doesn't occur on all systems...
12:05.52likewiseall: How can I enable the fail-fast feature (which is an override)? I have no clue where to make it condition on.
12:06.00Frgok.. its already 4th package
12:06.43cyrilRomainlikewise: SRC_URI_append_fail-fast = " file://zecke-no-host-includes.patch;patch=1 " ?
12:07.31likewisecyrilRomain: OK, yes, that seems quite logical :-)
12:07.51cyrilRomainand I think you need OVERRIDES = "local:${MACHINE}:${DISTRO}:${TARGET_OS}:${TARGET_ARCH}:build-${BUILD_OS}:fail-fast" in bitbake.conf
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12:12.27koenNOTE: package glibc-2.4: completed
12:12.35koenyup, the isystem break glibc 2.4
12:12.35cyrilRomainkoen: Woohoo !
12:13.06cyrilRomainkoen: well done koen :)
12:13.22koencyrilRomain: you tracked it down to a certain date
12:15.27zeckekoen: hmm
12:15.40koenyes, glibc is broken
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12:17.47RPhrw|work: PR went backwards to pcmciautils in the oz345x branch
12:19.26hrw|workups
12:20.11likewisecyrilRomain: But where is fail-fast being set then. I mean the SRC_URI_append_* is conditional on *.
12:20.50hrw|workwill push r4
12:20.57likewisekoen: can we further track this down using zecke's patch that detects host includes?
12:21.15koenlikewise: I have no idea
12:21.16zeckelikewise: OVERRIDES
12:21.33likewiseOVERRIDES = "fail-fast" ?
12:22.02zeckelikewise: doing that alone would be stupid, but we apply this patch conditionally
12:22.10zeckelikewise: conditionally to OVERRIDES (see bitbake.conf)
12:22.38likewisezecke: Yes, I am trying to understand the OVERRIDE system from bitbake - http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ch02.html#id2474646
12:23.09CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r3eb87dad... 10/packages/pcmciautils/pcmciautils_013.bb: pcmciautils: bump PR
12:23.19zeckelikewise: everything behind a '_' is considered a override
12:23.35zeckelikewise: if you put it in OVERRIDES and call update_data it will be 'expanded' correctly
12:23.44swsisnt oz354x supported on poodle? i build a gpe-image and it hangs while touch screen calibration
12:24.07koensws: #openzaurus ?
12:24.13likewisezecke: Yes, in OVERRIDES you specify the conditional properties, and after _ you specify the *value* of the property? as in MACHINE, arm.
12:24.55zeckelikewise: SRC_URI_openzaurus
12:25.04zeckelikewise: and you have ${DISTRO} in OVERRIDES
12:27.15Frgfigured out that those symbols are defined in more libs than only that one mentioned, namely:
12:27.18Frglibopiebluez2.so libopiemm2.so libopienet2.so libopiepim2.so libopietooth1.so libopieui2.so libqtaux2.so
12:27.38likewisezecke: clear, I was thinking too hard there.  :-)
12:27.40Frgso maybe linking against qtaux or opieui2 would be wiser
12:28.16zeckeFrg: compare the compile options from Qt2, libqpe, libopie
12:28.26zecke(e.g. -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti)
12:33.57likewiserm_work is broken in the sense that it sometimes stops the build, without nasty side effects other than that the dir is not completely rm-ed.
12:34.33CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r18e997ef... 10/packages/gcc/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
12:34.33CIA-9gcc: add 4.1.1 from .dev
12:34.33CIA-9* revision ed6d863c36fd1d9d7ab0dba3d700e0f1ccf122be
12:34.33CIA-9* revision dcfd1f3cb8ffcc49243af19ba6eaf85d4ef9c04a
12:34.33CIA-9* revision 48950da6e0a596e94a112da02ea2bd3f5d6c6782
12:34.37CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * ra52a49ac... 10/conf/distro/ (3 files): Add missing OZ bits
12:34.41CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rbead2b7c... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf:
12:34.41CIA-9angstrom 2006.9: use gcc4.
12:34.42CIA-9* revision 2d6d863c36fd1d9d7ab0dba3d700e0f1ccf122be
12:34.45CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r4e82ed47... 10/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: turn of -isystem till glibc gets fixed
12:37.03zeckekoen: why not set a different CFLAGS in glibc?
12:37.24koenzecke: this was easier
12:39.18koenI'm all set now, time to start a new .bbclass
12:39.52zeckekoen: wanna talk?
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12:57.16CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r29a1e616... 10/packages/ncurses/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Add ncurses
12:57.21CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rbab1aab2... 10/packages/nano/ (nano-1.3.9/glib.m4 nano_1.3.9.bb): Add nano
12:57.26CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb9e1ee8d... 10/packages/tslib/ (tslib/a780/tslib.sh tslib/e680/tslib.sh tslib_cvs.bb): tslib cvs: add support for the Motorola E680 and A780
12:57.30CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r10f03b89... 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: improve error message, check for cvs and svn
12:57.32hrw|workkoen: bitbake nano?
12:57.34CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r13b957f3... 10/packages/qte/ (7 files): qte: clean up, remove double entries, add flags for Motorola A780 and E680 GSM phones
12:57.40CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r54290256... 10/packages/libusb/ (libusb_0.1.8.bb libusb-native_0.1.12.bb libusb_0.1.12.bb): add libusb[-native] 0.1.12
12:57.41koenhrw|work: yes :)
12:57.42CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd0e9c0f4... 10/packages/base-files/ (3 files in 3 dirs): base-files: add tmpfs to stock fstab
12:57.47CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6c892a12... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-ezx: defconfig updates, add known good one as backup
12:58.10hrw|workkoen: nano is most known package in OE probably ;)
12:58.29koenyeah and it doesn't have too many deps
12:58.50hrw|workonly libc + ncurses iirc
12:58.53zeckekoen: ALT+ENTER
12:58.55koenindeed
12:59.03koenzecke: wrong window ;)
12:59.24likewiseI'm testing this fix for rm_work:
12:59.38likewise<PROTECTED>
12:59.40likewise<PROTECTED>
12:59.41likewise<PROTECTED>
13:00.02koen.[a-z]* ?
13:00.03hrw|worklikewise: any fixes welcome - I wrote it years ago and rarely used
13:00.24koenwouldn't .* match '..' ?
13:00.41likewisehrw|work: well, I still find it strange why rm_work stops the build sometimes, even with this.
13:01.11likewisekoen: then a recursive delete would have deleted my whole dis*&(*@&@)(#&#)(
13:01.25koenit happened to me once
13:01.45koen(while being root)
13:02.05cyrilRomainkoen: should angstrom people switch to the packaged-staging branch ?
13:02.23koencyrilRomain: no
13:02.23hrw|workcyrilRomain: noone should switch to it rather
13:03.20koenright
13:03.27koenunless you only need nano ;)
13:03.50cyrilRomainkoen: ok, just wondering if bitbake.conf changes are pushed into .dev too ?
13:04.21hrw|workcyrilRomain: packaged-staging branch is koen's SoC branch
13:04.31likewise[leon@dhcppc7 gdk-pixbuf]$ rm -rfv bla/.*
13:04.33likewiserm: cannot remove `.' or `..'
13:04.34likewiseBut you are right, probably safer to do .[a-z]*
13:05.00cyrilRomainhrw|work: thx for the info
13:05.03CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra16d1cde... 10/packages/xmame/ (4 files in 2 dirs): xmame: added xmame-tiny from .oz354fam083, added fix from #182 - now it works
13:05.59cyrilRomainlikewise: yes but if the file start with a number ? hm... maybe .[^.]* ?
13:06.48likewisecyrilRomain: much better indeed
13:07.18cyrilRomainlikewise: or even better .[^.]+ ?
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13:25.43cyrilRomainany kernel hacker around ? linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r33 does not build here. http://oe.pastebin.com/738208
13:26.27hrw|workhmm.. not tested this with eabi... with eabi it was built
13:26.29hrw|workhmm.. not tested this with eabi... with abi it was built
13:28.28cyrilRomaini'm building with eabi, note that with eabi the 2.6.16-r25 built correctly
13:29.04RPcyrilRomain: hrw added squashfs since then. It appears to expose a bug in the eabi toolchain looking at that log
13:29.28koenor in the kernel :)
13:29.43RPcyrilRomain: If you don't need squashfs, disable that in the defconfig as a workaround. It'd be nice to work out what causes the toolchain to break though
13:29.48cyrilRomainRP: ok. I looked into the inode.c file but no consistency (for my eyes)
13:30.14RPkoen: That error looks more like a compiler issue although I could be wrong
13:30.40koenI'm neither a toolchain export nor a kernel coder
13:30.45cyrilRomainRP: well I'd say that too, but I got it on two build host :-/
13:31.19RPcyrilRomain: The build host shouldn't change the generated code so thats not surprising
13:31.40cyrilRomainRP: right
13:39.26CIA-903koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rc47a5fb3... 10/classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: classes/packaged-staging.bbclass: add skeleton
13:40.32cyrilRomainRP: thanks for the defconfig workaround :) Should I file a bug for this build issue ?
13:46.20pb__cyrilRomain: that's a compiler bug.  you'd need to run it under the debugger to find out where the error is occurring.
13:49.09cyrilRomainpb__: well, gdb <the command that build the kernel> ?
13:49.23cyrilRomainpb__: i'm not a debugger expert bug will try
13:53.10likewisecyrilRomain: gdb --args <the command with args like you normally put on the command line>
13:53.46cyrilRomainlikewise: thanks
13:57.21cyrilRomainouch, dropbear issue now http://oe.pastebin.com/739259. well let's debug the kernel issue then
13:58.41zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=poky <- we now have a poky tree in the tinderbox
13:58.44zecke*hint*
14:05.24CosmicPenguinOLPC developer boards should be coming available soon - I know they are using a Fedora image, but it probably wouldn't hurt if OE shadowed them in some way
14:05.44CosmicPenguinI'll do my part and keep the kernel and other such things up to date
14:06.10zeckeCosmicPenguin: who can get OLPC boards?
14:06.22CosmicPenguinIts not really clear at this point
14:06.28hrw|workcyrilRomain: hmm. it does not have zlib in DEPENDS?
14:06.29CosmicPenguinhttp://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Notes_on_using_the_OLPC_developer_boards
14:06.54CosmicPenguinzecke: but I'm sure that somebody here has enough respect within hh.o to convince Jim Gettys to give them one
14:07.37cyrilRomainhrw|work: it has
14:08.02zeckeCosmicPenguin: I think pb_ is the best candidate
14:08.26cyrilRomainhrw|work: probably a missing include dir...
14:09.29CosmicPenguinzecke: I agree - he would be good
14:10.19CosmicPenguinFrom the website, it looks like Matthew Allum and Fabritio Sampsa are also mentioned in regards to the operating environment, so maybe o-handed can get one or two too
14:11.06zeckehmm why is my nfsroot not working
14:17.34RPCosmicPenguin: s/handed/hand/ ;-)
14:18.00zeckehehe
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14:18.40RPzecke: poky tinderbox support is an interesting idea...
14:19.04zeckeRP: I hope to get off my ass to write a OE Tinderclient tool... (today)
14:19.24zeckeRP: the qemu target is what interests me most (running tests)
14:19.45cyrilRomainI'm a bit confused about eabi, should I set TARGET_OS = "linux-eabi" (cf koen mail) or "linux-gnueabi" (cf linux-openzaurus.inc) ?
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14:21.20RPzecke: I'll try and release some qemu images as I think they might interest a few people
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14:22.27zeckemy tinderclient now has auto evict...
14:22.37cyrilRomainzecke: for testcase, did you know http://litmus.mozilla.org/ ?
14:23.32zeckecyrilRomain: no
14:23.39cyrilRomainit is more designed towards end-user tests
14:23.53NAbyssHmm, is there any page on the OE wiki with info on how to track down build problems?
14:24.14zeckeNAbyss: not yet, but as it is long lived it belongs into the manual
14:24.41zeckeNAbyss: 1. look at the log 2. ??? 3. attach patch to the bug tracker
14:25.16NAbysszecke: 2 is where I'm getting stuck.. know of any descriptions of how bitbake works out what to do, apart from RTFS?
14:25.42zeckeNAbyss: what did fail? which task?
14:26.16cyrilRomainNAbyss: you can try 'bitbake -i' for an interactive shell, 'bitbake -v -D -D' for more trace info
14:26.46NAbysszecke: Building gpsd, do_compile... I'm getting cross compile badness with the INCLUDE_PATH
14:26.51NAbysscyrilRomain: Ah, thanks
14:27.10zeckeNAbyss: hmm update bb  data?
14:27.22NAbysszecke: I did a pull this morning
14:27.23cyrilRomainNAbyss: more '-D' means more trace depth
14:27.40zeckeNAbyss: monotone update? as well? IIRC mickeyl fixed that
14:27.55NAbysszecke: Ah, I'll give it another go
14:28.52zeckeNAbyss: we have a special gcc patch now. if you have -I/usr/include when cross compiling it will complain :)
14:29.13NAbysszecke: Yeah, very wise :)
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14:31.41cyrilRomainTo enable eabi, should I set TARGET_OS = "linux-eabi" (cf koen mail) or "linux-gnueabi" (cf linux-openzaurus.inc) in my local.conf ?
14:34.02CosmicPenguinRP: heh - indeed
14:35.03CosmicPenguinhttp://www.pixelbeat.org/fslint/
14:35.09CosmicPenguinHmm... I should run that on my rootfs some time... :)
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14:41.11CIA-903freyther 07org.oe.dev * r7d2025aa... 10/conf/machine/include/ixp4xx.conf:
14:41.11CIA-9conf/machine/include/ixp4xx.conf: Enable fail-fast as well
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14:41.14CIA-903freyther 07org.oe.dev * r4df4d7b4... 10/classes/tinderclient.bbclass:
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14:44.55lardman|workbye chaps
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14:54.55CosmicPenguinwhat the diddly?
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14:55.02CosmicPenguinwhy does totem care about gnome-icon-theme?
14:55.11CosmicPenguinSometimes I think they do this just to piss people off
14:56.13Frgoops ...
14:56.15FrgKernel panic: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.
14:56.56FrgKernel command line: mtdparts=ipaq:0x00040000@0x00000000(bootldr)ro,0x00FC0000@0x00040000(root)  noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0
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14:57.34hrw|workFrg: hmm.. this is not a distro support channel...
14:58.39zeckekoen: wow the svg is done
14:59.43Frgso where shall i go?  i believe something went wrong with bitbaking opie-image
15:00.20Frgi'll switch to #opie if that is better
15:00.34zeckeFrg: Opie for kernel issues?
15:00.35zeckeno
15:00.37Frgor familiar
15:00.52zeckesadly not :(
15:01.01zeckedo you have a /linuxrc in your rootfs?
15:01.39Frgtell me how to mount the jffs2 image and i'll chack
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15:02.21zeckeFrg: 1st you have it already in tmp/rootfs
15:02.26zeckeFrg: 2nd search for mtdram
15:03.29Frghmm.. no linuxrc in the root
15:04.03Frghow to build it then?
15:05.05zeckeFrg: dunno what is wrong with using init?
15:05.14zeckeFrg: which distribution was that again?
15:05.32Frgfamiliar-unstable
15:05.54zeckeFrg: better ask the familiar people before I say something that is not true
15:06.24zeckeFrg: do you have a /boot/params as well?
15:06.46Frgyes
15:06.47koenzecke: an 18MB svg ?!?!?!
15:07.05zecke;)
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15:07.15Frgnice size ;)
15:07.32Frgparams >>> set linuxargs "root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc noinitrd console=none"
15:08.32zeckeFrg: I don't know this part of familiar but there is a mismatch ;)
15:08.33Frgso linuxrc is not needed? can remove the line?
15:08.33Ken|JLimehey
15:08.51zeckeFrg: well you can (if you have write permissions)
15:08.58zeckeFrg: but how to get on the device?
15:09.03zeckehow to get it onto the device
15:09.40Frgedit the file and build the image again i think
15:10.04zeckeFrg: well it will be erased if the image is generated
15:10.43koenzecke: could you make it an svgz?
15:11.00zeckeFrg: once again ask the familiar people, they know this part better than I do
15:11.04zeckekoen: no bz2?
15:11.22koenzecke: svgz is a standard format
15:11.25koen.svg.bz2 isn't
15:11.32Frgok.. maybe the bootloader can accept some params
15:11.44zeckeFrg: sure you can edit them
15:11.52zeckeFrg: boot, change the /boot/params
15:11.52koenbut wait till I've downloaded it :)
15:12.04zeckeFrg: but then ask yourself why is that present?
15:12.06zecketoo late
15:12.13zeckekoen: apache2 should have it mapped anyway
15:12.56odoIs there any known problem with the oz3.5.3 ROMs of the hentges-sites? Since yesterday I'm trying to install a 3.5.3 oz to check whether the problems which have arisen with 3.5.4 will fade then. Unfortunately it seems impossible to install the files for 3.5.3 oz with opie 1.2.0 for akita from http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.3/T3/akita/kernels/ and http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.3/T3/akita/oz-opie-akita_T3-DE.tar.gz.
15:13.09koenodo: #openzaurus ?
15:13.20odoyes
15:15.57koenhrm
15:16.11koenit seems inkscape crashed gnome and or X
15:16.45CosmicPenguinno way - gnome crashed?
15:16.47CosmicPenguincall the press!
15:16.49koenzecke: it's .svgz, not .svg.gz
15:17.00koenah, it OOMed
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15:17.28koenit unfroze
15:17.59NAbysszecke: Doesn't seem to be fixed.. ah well, will look at it when I'm more conscious in the morning
15:18.11odoThe installation works until the c1000 reboots, then it asks for the backups - i tried "ok" and "no2 didn't make a difference it asks for the preferences - I also tried "ok" or "no" without a difference, afterwards opie is started. Sometimes it sticks with thr calibration scrre, asking for a touch but never responds to it :-( sometimes it gets up with what looks like the launcher document tab bur only the lower third.
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15:18.29zeckeVFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem).
15:18.33koenodo: #openzaurus ?
15:18.34zeckeFreeing init memory: 104K
15:18.43zeckeNA|Zzz: there was a bug report, check that
15:18.50NA|Zzzzecke: Yeah, I filed it
15:19.00zeckeah okay
15:19.05koenheh, now svgview crashed osx
15:19.21zeckeNA|Zzz: this -I/usr/include should be pretty easy to fix
15:19.26zeckeNA|Zzz: search for it (grep)
15:19.45odoDo you think it's an oz-problem if  it stalls while opie starts?
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15:20.26_law_|iBookhi all
15:21.04CosmicPenguinpackage totem-gstreamer-1.5.1: completed
15:21.05CosmicPenguinyay?
15:21.06koenhey _law_|iBook
15:21.13koenCosmicPenguin: medium yay ;)
15:22.12Ken|JLimekoen: When trying to build opie-image it seems locked on using pcmcia-cs instead of pcmciautils, I've set pcmcia-manager in my distro file, but still.
15:27.38koenah, adding 1GB of swap helped
15:29.00ade|deskah ha , config mangling crap grrrrrrr
15:29.08ade|desksodding uclibc
15:30.07hrw|workkoen: so how much ram+swap?
15:30.19koen1GB + 1GB
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15:31.21hrw|workkill
15:31.44hrw|workwe have "fetch http://" but "Fetch cvs://"
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15:38.00Ken|JLimekoen: any idea about the opie-image issue? I want to disclude pcmcia-cs
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15:38.06koenKen|JLime: no idea
15:40.39hrw|workKen|JLime: check opie-pcmciaapplet
15:40.52hrw|workKen|JLime: current version does not work with pcmciautils
15:46.07zeckekoen: the svg looks crap right?
15:46.15zeckecrappy...
15:46.42Ken|JLimehrw|work: oki thx
15:49.19koenzecke: still rendering
15:49.23koenswap on slow disks
15:49.49hrw|workcu
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15:57.23zecke~lart NFS
16:07.08zeckeFrg: found an answer?
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16:10.24Frgwell... if someone could post a working linuxrc script for ipaq 3600... :)
16:10.54zeckeFrg: did you grep over the OE tree?
16:11.16Frgnot throughout
16:13.57pb__you don't need a linuxrc script with a modern rootfs.
16:14.12pb__("modern" meaning familiar 0.8 or later)
16:14.28zeckepb__: do you know which package generates /boot/params?
16:14.36Genesisbonne soiree
16:15.12pb__zecke: ipaq-boot-params?
16:15.13pb__just guessing
16:16.13Frgipaq-boot-params_1.0-r1_arm.ipk  yes
16:18.37Frgset linuxargs "root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc noinitrd console=none"  <-- does this look ok?  no console=ttySA0 ... ?
16:19.01pb__yeah
16:20.41zeckehmm... nfs... *pull* hairs
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16:25.12ade|deskNOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.0: completed
16:29.11Frgstrange that there is linuxrc in params but not in root
16:29.29Frgjust for the record:  http://oe.pastebin.com/739578
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16:31.27Frgwhen removed the init=... i dont see anything past the uncompressing linux....... line ;)
16:31.49pb__forget about linuxrc.  it sounds like you are missing /sbin/init or one of its libraries.
16:32.56woglindefrg yeah becaus of the console
16:35.56zeckekoen: were you able to open the graph?
16:38.13koenzecke: nope
16:38.22koenit need > 3GB of ram with inkscape
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16:38.29woglindekoen wuaha
16:38.36ade|deskouch
16:38.52koenwell, if you try to zoom in, that is
16:39.14zeckeI want NFS root, I want it now *cry*
16:42.32likewisezecke: me too! Where is the size of the ext2 bootstrap image for Angstrom defined?
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16:48.23zeckelikewise: conf/bitbake.conf? or in any of the files included from there
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17:00.56koengrrrr
17:01.01koenbusybox.net seems to be down
17:01.14zeckekoen: yes?
17:01.15zeckekoen: so your bbclass needs access to the parsing status?
17:01.18ade|deskkoen: yup
17:01.46likewisegcc 4.1.1 did not help bringing ep93xx eabi alive.
17:02.38ade|deskkoen: busybox/uclibc sites is having a change day .. should be up in a few hours
17:02.47koenade|desk: I see
17:03.16likewiseI doubt whether the EABI syscall interfacing between the kernel and glibc is up-to-date in OE:
17:03.17likewisehttp://sourceware.org/ml/libc-ports/2006-03/msg00029.html
17:03.58zeckepb__: damn, no NFS/network issue at all
17:04.03zeckethe wrong floating point emulation
17:04.11koenlikewise: /packages/glibc/glibc-2.4/fixup-aeabi-syscalls.patch
17:04.17woglindezecke ah
17:04.33woglindezecke damnit it's same on the dbox and I frogot
17:04.44koenlikewise: and linux-libc-headers is patches as well to remove those syscalls
17:04.50zeckewoglinde: bastard ;)
17:05.06zecke"You can't be that smart then" (you is me...)
17:05.17woglindeyeah wrong floatpoint and init dont start
17:05.18pb__zecke: doh
17:05.32pb__zecke: I hate it when that happens
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17:06.01danboidHi everybody!
17:06.11zeckewoglinde: the point is it should work...
17:06.13likewisekoen: ok. then something else is wrong. Continuing ploughing through everything.
17:06.22zeckewoglinde: and I wonder why init needs floating point staff at all
17:06.46danboidis RP here?
17:06.57woglindezecke it's not init directly ist libc
17:07.01RPdanboid: yes
17:07.07danboidHi RP!
17:07.35danboidAre we any closer to seeing pxa270 overlay in OE yet?
17:07.40danboid:)
17:08.10RPdanboid: I did try a patch but it has bugs and I never got around to debugging it
17:08.30RPdanboid: Time has been tricky to find recently. I'll get around to it sooner or later though
17:09.23pb__zecke: the csu bits contain some code to set up the fp environment.
17:09.41pb__init itself very likely isn't doing any fp at all
17:10.09danboidwhats this i've been reading about the overlay not be orientated correctly w/ the overlay patch + mplayer on pdaxrom- is this a hardware flaw of the Z?
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17:11.00koenlater all
17:11.03RPdanboid: The whole framebuffer is rotates on the Z
17:11.07danboidyou have to re-encode or get iwmmx to rotate your movies for you
17:11.23RPdanboid: I guess so :-/
17:11.29danboidRP- why did they do that?
17:11.47danboidsharp
17:11.54RPTheir LCD was 480x640, not 640x480
17:12.28RPThe c7x0 was like this as well, except the w100 can do rotation in hardware
17:13.20danboidare they cheaper like that? Is the w100 a better movie player than the cxxxx then?
17:14.44danboiddoes the w100 have mpeg1,2 or 4 hardware decoding too?
17:15.17RPdanboid: We have no docs on the w100 so can't take full advantage of it. I therefore can't answer that question :-(
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17:16.14danboidbut there is a w100 driver for mplayer isn't there? Does it just do hardware video resize and thats it?
17:16.32RPIt uses the overlay capability of the w100
17:16.54RPThere are other capabilities of the w100 we know about too like fills and blits
17:18.10danboidI'd never heard of overlays before I got my Z a few months ago. Do PC gfx cards offer a similiar feature (but much faster and bigger of course)
17:18.42RPYes, I'd expect so
17:18.55zeckedanboid: www.directfb.org ;)
17:19.12hrwhi
17:19.20danboidhi hrw!
17:19.32hrwI heard that w100 can do idct...
17:20.05danboidhrw: hows sashz doing ;)
17:20.41RPhrw: I've heard that too. Having looked into the drivers, I'm still not sure if its true or not
17:20.54zeckehrw: we should ask for X2 discounts, as I want one as well
17:21.21hrw~lart quilt
17:22.18hrwhow to reorder patch series with quilt in other way then 'quilt pop 99999', rm -r patches;quilt import.... ;quilt push 9999?
17:22.56RPhrw: quilt pop -a == quilt pop 99999
17:23.16RPhrw: quilt pop -a, edit series file, quilt push -a ?
17:23.27CosmicPenguinyeah - thats the best way to do it
17:23.29hrwRP: yes
17:23.36CosmicPenguinSome times I wish there was a way to move patches in quilt
17:23.49CosmicPenguinbut I really wish there was a way to move patches in stg, since it doesn't have a series file like quilt does
17:23.53hrwtime to learn how to rebuild external modules in debian with make-kpkg
17:24.31zeckehrw: isn't there a nice dialog based tool?
17:24.46hrwzecke: ?
17:25.00CosmicPenguindialog based quilt tool?
17:25.00zeckehrw: to compile external modules?
17:25.04ade|deskcrap, atexit() error with busybox and gcc4.1.0
17:25.16zeckehrw: dialog assistant or such
17:26.23hrwmodule-assistant - tool to make module package creation easier
17:26.38hrwthx xze
17:29.17danboidzecke: thanks for the link! I haven't checked out directfb in a long time and it has progressed massively since I last checked on it by the looks of things! Do many GTK apps support directfb? I want ROX under directfb!
17:29.43danboid(The ROX desktop)
17:30.12zeckedanboid: the next debian installer will use DirectFB
17:30.27zeckedanboid: but it is an example for the usage of hardware accelerated laeyers (overlays)
17:32.51danboidwow! Another great reason I can't wait for etch- not as excited about etch as etch+1. Any chance of us seeing the Zaurus fully supported on the ARM version of etch?
17:33.14danboidhrw: whats wrong with rox in yr opinion?
17:33.51hrwdanboid: AppDir idea
17:34.19danboidbye rp
17:34.31hrwdanboid: I maintained rox-filer for debian for over year (iirc) - had two versions.. vanilla and -hrw without appdir
17:35.08danboidhe! I didn't know that! You must like rox-filer a bit then?
17:35.36hrwno
17:35.48danboidwhats your favourite filer then?
17:35.52danboidgui
17:35.59hrwmc
17:36.00zeckedanboid: what is fully supported?
17:36.00zeckedanboid: if you are lucky you can fit dpkg in the flash of the Zaurus ;)
17:36.07hrwthen konqueror
17:36.17zeckemc!
17:36.32danboidi see oe loves mc
17:36.48danboidi'm a mac- m A c
17:36.54danboid..donald
17:37.15zeckedanboid: mc, then finder+spotlight
17:37.20danboideMM Aaa Ceee with a big D :D
17:37.41hrwzecke: you press mouse button on left or right side?
17:38.36zeckehrw: middle?
17:38.52danboidzecke: don't you think the new installer will work on a 64MB machine?
17:39.08ade|deskright home time .. uclibc may have to wait while i get my MSc stuff done for tuesday .. doh
17:39.16zeckedanboid: it is more the question of available flash
17:39.19danboid64MB RAM
17:39.21hrwdanboid: dont you think that Z with 23M rootfs has a bit too less space?
17:39.22ade|desknight all
17:39.27hrwcu ade
17:40.04danboidyes but couldn't it install just like oe does on the cxxxx
17:40.53danboidi'm only talking about seeing c3xxx support in debian
17:41.07hrwI do not have c3k
17:41.10hrwyet
17:41.16hrw;D
17:42.32kergothdebian is a beast.  hardly suitable as is for any embedded application
17:42.40kergothif that wasnt the case, oe might not exist in its current form
17:42.47hrwOT: what brand of DVDR media you suggest? tomorrow friend will borrow/lend me dvdrw so I will leave ~40GB of disk
17:42.49kergothheh
17:43.03hrwkergoth: CNAME wiki.openzaurus.org -> openzaurus.berlios.de
17:43.07kergothk
17:43.07danboidthats shyte- sharp should issue all the main oe devs with all the models
17:43.32goxboxlivezecke: I switched to branch oz354fam083 and now opie and gpe builds as they should. Why is that, why dis i have problem with opie-bluepin with the dev branch and not the fam branch?
17:44.01hrwgoxboxlive: oz354fam083 and oz354x branches was made to provide STABLE thing
17:44.08danboidkergoth: point taken
17:44.15hrwgoxboxlive: dev is DEVelopment
17:44.48hrwgoxboxlive: .dev = unstable == experiments == you have to know what you do
17:44.49danboid'debian is a beast' :p
17:44.56zeckegoxboxlive: fixed SRCDATE ;)
17:45.12zeckegoxboxlive: you might have even more fun with oz354x
17:45.27goxboxliveok
17:45.53kergothdanboid: you might find it amusing that in wookie's embedded debian presentation, he advises that anyone wanting something actually usable should go use scratchbox or oe.
17:46.02kergothhehe
17:46.20zeckekergoth: hey
17:46.29goxboxliveso maybe there wasent any problem with my setup. Was it opie-bluepin that where broken?
17:46.43kergothzecke: hey
17:49.31goxboxlivezecke: So there isent any problems to run the oz354x on the htc universal? I thougt that branch was made for the Zaurus.
17:49.34emtewhy? was there more this morn?
17:50.08hrwre..
17:50.50hrwfscking desktop hang
17:52.34hrwhang during patching kernel.. so remove, unpack another time ;(
17:56.51danboidgoxboxlive: linux kernel doesn't even support charging or suspend/resume on the uni last I heard
17:57.21hrwdanboid: so?
17:58.01goxboxlivedanboid: I know, it's charging, but there are fun to just play around with it.
17:58.06hrwdanboid: linux kernel does not even support charging on collie
17:58.35emtese things get developed by people who work on supporting the device
17:59.07goxboxlivedanboid: We have made an wiki at handhelds. Here you can see our progress: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal
18:03.06zeckekergoth: ho, not only you
18:03.56zeckegoxboxlive: you are free to leverage from the work of the OpenZaurus people (hrw!)
18:04.27hrw;)
18:05.22koenzecke: stop using 'leverage' as a verb
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18:06.32zeckekoen: well, I can use it as a verb (when making it transitive)
18:07.18goxboxlivewell as you allready have seen so is my english so bad that i even dident understood the meaning of it :-)
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18:21.13CosmicPenguinNOTE: package livecd-image-1.0: completed
18:21.14CosmicPenguinyay!
18:21.23koencool
18:21.51CosmicPenguinI still need to figure out a smart way to do initrds with OE
18:22.06zeckeCosmicPenguin: ask RP, he is doing that for qemuarm
18:22.15danboidwhats this, an oe live CD for x86?
18:22.23CosmicPenguinyeah - for Geode
18:22.32CosmicPenguinWell, actually its the infrastructure
18:22.45CosmicPenguinI'll leave the actual content to more customer oriented types
18:25.44hrw~lart linux kernel devs
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18:25.49hrwarch/i386/kernel/signal.c: In function ?do_signal?:
18:25.50hrwarch/i386/kernel/signal.c:587: error: label ?no_signal? used but not defined
18:25.59hrw2.6.17-rc5
18:29.00emte<PROTECTED>
18:29.00emte<PROTECTED>
18:29.53hrwdanboid: what is xmms?
18:30.33danboid?
18:30.46emtemy system started to misbehave ~ the same time hrw came back from his lockup
18:31.05emteyou passing bad juju around today hrw?
18:31.13danboidyour chance to slag off xmms- not interested?
18:31.30hrwemte: yes
18:31.50hrwemte: http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/05/26/amd64-switch-to-it-or-not/ is a reason probably
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18:34.41emtehrw, why not just cluster your other two until after the wedding?
18:34.59emtenot that two is really a cluster ...
18:35.05hrwemte: 1700+ is at work, 22+ is at home
18:35.25emteclustering does not require the machines in the same geographical area
18:35.43emtebut your work might not like it ...
18:35.48hrwhome machine is too unstable ;(
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18:40.17goxboxliveI need some help again: When i have edited the machine.conf file ( for my machine htcuniversal.conf ) how do i make sure taht the new bootstsrap-image has my changes in it. There isent enough with just bootstrap-image -cclean and the same for task-bootstrap. Should i delete some files in the work directory?
18:41.01woglindegoxbox if you really want sure delete the tmp-directory
18:42.26goxboxliveBut id i delete the tmp directory doesnt it have to build all again? Like glibc, QT, fakerrot etc? That takes so much time. Isent there another solution to it?
18:42.54hrwgoxboxlive: rebuild task-bootstrap
18:43.38goxboxlivehrw: I guess i have to rebuild the xanadux-un-2.6.bb file also then. THX
18:44.28hrwprobably not
18:44.53goxboxliveok
18:45.26goxboxlivehrw: Ok, i was to fast, i rebuilt it, but it's building so fast anyway.
18:48.56cbrakehow does one install gdb-cross on the host machine?  I've built it w/ bitbake, but can't find any evidence that it is installed anywhere.
18:49.48hrwcheck tmp/staging/
18:49.58koenor cross/ ?
18:52.21hrwit goes into /usr/local/$SDK_NAME
18:53.20cbrakenot in cross or staging ...
18:53.42hrwtmp/deploy/sdk/
18:53.56cbrakehrw: ahh
18:54.38cbrakehrw: nope, not in there either, do I need to install the ipkg or something ??
18:54.52cbrakehrw: or is there some option for sdk generation?
18:55.35hrwhmm.. have to check probably
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19:01.07koenzecke: could you make a correct patch for the glibc -isystem troubles?
19:01.46zecke'correct'?
19:01.56zeckekoen: workaround as in using -I for glibc
19:02.01koenyes
19:02.09zeckekoen: or correct as in switching glibc to schilling make?
19:02.21goxboxliveAnother problem: My bootstrap-image does only create 'ttyS0' I also need ttyS1 (bluetooth, bluez-utils is made) and ttyS2 (irda, irattach is made). What to do?
19:02.31koenzecke: if you want :)
19:03.36hrwgoxboxlive: 2.6 kernel? it should be done by udev
19:04.35zecke<PROTECTED>
19:05.02goxboxlivehrw: Yes, 2.6 kernel. Ok, i'll define udev. Thanks alot.
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19:10.43hrwcbrake: Packaged contents of gdb-cross into /home/hrw/devel/build/test/tmp/deploy/ipk/gdb-cross_6.3-r0_x86_64.ipk
19:14.41cbrakehrw: nod, looks about the same as the one I built.
19:15.18hrwcbrake: you build for mipsel? :)
19:17.36cbrakehrw: it seems that bitbaking gdb should also drop a copy in tmp/cross/bin for convenience.
19:17.50cbrakehrw: no, still building for ARM, but everything else looks the same :-)
19:18.13cbrakehrw: what type of device is the mips build for?
19:18.24hrwwrt54
19:19.26cbrakehrw: nice -- something else to try .... someday :-)
19:20.13hrwcbrake: OE does not build working distro for wrt54 but can build packages for openwrt ;)
19:20.57cbrakehrw: IC
19:21.18cbrakehrw: BTW, I got a patch failure when building cherokee 0.5.3 this morning is this something you would expect?
19:21.40hrwwill recheck
19:21.43kergothadding the wrt kernel was to be a pain in the ass. lots of references to code outside the kernel tree which were of questionable licensing..
19:22.14Crofton~lart bubious licensing
19:22.21cbrakehrw: http://pastebin.com/739902
19:22.51zeckeOne license to rule them all
19:23.07Croftonin the land of Redmond
19:25.06emtezecke, isnt that MS's definition of "it's" invention of Open Source?
19:26.05zeckeemte: well they have ~6 shared source licenses
19:27.05zeckeemte: I thought more of GPLv2 or BSD
19:27.51emtewell MS claims to have invented the idea/concept
19:27.58emtelike everything else
19:28.19emteand if they can trademark or patenet it they will
19:28.25emtepatent*
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19:30.35reenooevening
19:30.44zeckehey
19:32.14hrwcbrake: hmm.. I recheckout cherokee on dev. and it work
19:33.05Ken|JLimeI want to map sh3 against sh, when compiling pcmcia-cs. Any idea on how to do this?
19:33.26Ken|JLimein other words make it know that sh3 is an sh arch
19:33.30woglindehi renoo
19:33.47cbrakehrw: I'll check my build tree again ...
19:33.49hrwKen|JLime: TARGET_ARCH_sh3 = "sh"?
19:33.50reenoohey woglinde
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19:34.08Ken|JLimehrw: doh
19:37.16Ken|JLimehrw: creates another set of trouble, I'll just make a patch for the configure script
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19:55.26CosmicPenguinhttp://hg.fedoraproject.org/hg/olpc/tools/image--devel?f=66af776534b4;file=conf/packages-core.txt
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20:06.37CosmicPenguinwhat the heck is sugar anyway?
20:06.51zeckeCosmicPenguin: their gui
20:06.56zeckeCosmicPenguin: based on XUL runner
20:07.31CosmicPenguingoo
20:08.37zeckeCosmicPenguin: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=200
20:14.23zeckekoen: did you add monotone 0.26?
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20:17.16CoreDump|homeomg, there are still nice human beeing out there. My neighbour (who I don't know _at_ _all_) just handed my back my swiss army knife (~40?)I lost at my parking lot
20:17.49zeckeCoreDump|home: that can happen
20:18.26CoreDump|homehow high is the chance of that these days ;)
20:18.43mickeyllow
20:18.53CoreDump|home~lart WinXP samba handling
20:18.55woglindecorredump depends were you live
20:18.55zeckeat the parking lot?
20:18.58zeckehigh
20:19.06zeckeonly my cat could steal it from there...
20:19.14CoreDump|homezecke: =)
20:19.18woglindecoredump in other cities you where stabbed by your oen knife
20:19.30CoreDump|homewoglinde: lol, sad but true
20:19.38zeckewoglinde: or killed because you have a mp3 player
20:19.50zeckeSo get a ogg player!
20:19.51mickeyl:(
20:19.58zeckean ogg...
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20:25.47lkaineIs the SL-5500 supported much anymore?
20:25.53lkaineCollie that is
20:26.08hrwis
20:27.06CoreDump|homeheh sure is
20:27.49Zero_Chaoslkaine: yeah, it is a nice device
20:29.45cbrakehrw: cherokee working now.  I must have had some stale data in the cache due to a package in a separate bb collections tree I had deleted.
20:31.39hrwcbrake: bb collections.. have to try it one day
20:31.43hrwcollie suxx
20:32.04CosmicPenguinbbcollections are so nice
20:32.46hrwI usually use two entried in BBFILES
20:32.55lkainethe ipaq eh?
20:33.10hrwlkaine: yep
20:33.23lkainewhy so
20:33.58hrwlkaine: because collie is a crap device
20:34.21thejapamarcin: hi! but h2200 has no integrated network
20:34.34hrwthejapa: so do collie
20:34.46lkainehrw:  Well after coming back to OZ after a couple years absence and having it sit in a box doing nothing...I'm trying to put it to good use
20:35.02hrwthejapa: nice to see you Marcos here
20:35.26hrwlkaine: I use my collie to collect dust and testing oz before release
20:35.30thejapa:) i tried like hell to make a sandisk wifi work in my ipaq, only to plug it into a notebook and find it is broken
20:35.46thejapaif I could go for another ipaq, i'd try one with wifi :)
20:35.58thejapah2200 has bluetooth, better than nothing
20:36.00lkaineis the CL-3200 good?
20:36.18hrwlkaine: any cxx00 is nice
20:36.26ixothmy dream = SL-5600 + integrated BT + wifi
20:36.29hrwatleast I heard that from users
20:36.45hrwixoth: get sl-6000 and add bt
20:36.52thejapamarcin: i'm trying to find rpm for monotone 0.25 for fedora 5 right now
20:37.03lkainehrw: how much are cxx00?
20:37.06thejapai'll end up installing debian on my notebook
20:37.09ixothit's larger and has lower baterry life
20:37.30hrwlkaine: c1000 (no microdrive) is 300-350 eur
20:37.48hrwthejapa: rebuilt it from source
20:38.11lkainehrw: aren't the c series with built-in hd much better so that you don't have to worry about space problems?
20:38.25thejapaok
20:38.45hrwlkaine: I boot my c760 from 512M sd card
20:39.52lkainecan you run kde3.5 lite with openzaurus?  I was reading a thread about people that were successful using it with the cxx00 series on pdaXrom
20:39.56ixothoh my... built-in hd is for installing gentoo probably... the idea of HD in PDA is stupid, IMHO
20:40.10ixothoh my.... KDE on Zaurii...
20:40.57lkaineyeah that's what I read
20:41.00lkaineit looked really nice
20:41.12hrwkde on 64M device with only vga screen... its madness not usage
20:41.43hrwone day I was forced to use 800x600 monitor - after 0.5h with kde I switched to console
20:42.39JoeSchmofluxbox would be a nice addition to openzaurus, i've been usiing it for a while, it's prety nice
20:42.52lkaineI had a similar problem.  I got the supertux package working after ipkg screwed the links and packages so I had to iterate through every library making sure it was linked correctly and then I finally got it working without sound...and then the screen on my collie wasn't big enough to display it
20:43.19CoreDump|homelkaine: =)
20:43.21lkaineright now I have my collie running x11/matchbox
20:43.47ixothI hope I'll never have to move from Opie
20:44.04zeckehehe
20:44.18zeckeI hope to have Qtopia4 on my Things soon(tm)
20:44.33JoeSchmoI'd use opie if snes9x or zsnes worked through it
20:44.33lkaineI like GPE better
20:44.36hrwzecke: I'm waiting for opie/x11
20:44.45zeckehrw: make menuconfig ;)
20:44.58zeckehrw: matchbox got support for Ok/Cancel in the decoration
20:45.11hrwzecke: qt2/x11 is ugly...
20:45.23hrwzecke: when opie will get it back?
20:45.24lkainehrw: i agree
20:45.41zeckehrw: what back?
20:45.52hrwzecke: ok/cansel in decoration
20:47.22zeckehrw: sure, Opie hints to show Ok/Cancel
20:47.39lkainea couple years ago I helped develop OZ...but now everything is different :P
20:47.54zeckehrw: matchbox informs Opie ok or cancel were pressed
20:48.24ixothI've even wrote app for the first Z contest, hehe... now the old days are gone...
20:48.44hrwixoth: there are users of such old apps still
20:50.03lkaineI helped fix the kernel for a SD card io problem...and an issue with hot reboot
20:50.12lkainecan't remember exactly though which...been awhile
20:50.26ixothmy app is in OE, btw... shame for me i never managed to get it work good :)
20:50.34lpotter_ixoth: which app?
20:50.58ixothqlot
20:51.06ixothqplot, that's it
20:51.28CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbe0f8737... 10/conf/machine/include/motorola-ezx.conf: update
20:52.17hrwhmm.. when last time I build oz kernel on this machine....
20:53.40woglindehrw buy one
20:54.35lkaineI've got a 4 processor P4 Xeon machine with 2.5gb ECC w/2 20gb 15k SCSIs
20:54.55hrwwoglinde: sooner or later will do - first have to collect some cash to open own business, travel to few places, marry Ania and then amd64 maybe
20:54.59hrwzecke: and 4GB ram?
20:55.01lkainezecke: yeah it's nice...my roommate has one
20:55.25lkainewhat I want to see is a low voltage Duo-core processor on a PDA...
20:55.31hrwcvI like your amd64 too ;)
20:55.37emtealtho in reality ... if your going to buy a new board you may want to wait ~ 4-6mo
20:55.41hrwlkaine: get omap one ;)
20:55.41zeckehrw: 4?
20:55.41zeckehrw: 4GB as 1st level cache
20:56.05emtethe new 8Gb memory chipsets should be availible
20:56.06hrwzecke: then why amd64 x2? get 4xopt875
20:56.39CoreDump|homethe x2 is a tad little bit cheaper ;)
20:57.05lkaineright now i'm running a P-M 2.26ghz laptop w/2gb DDR2 100gb hd...Nvidia 7800 GTX video card 17" 1920x1200 native res trubrite UXGA :P
20:57.32emtesounds like a damn heavy backache
20:57.43lkainenot really...it's rather light for me  
20:57.46woglindelkain with 30 min for akkulifetime?
20:58.10hrwI use nearly 4 years old crt1 17" 1280x960
20:58.12ixothand I am running Sharp MM20 laptop 1Ghz 512RAM 20Gb - it's 950g
20:58.18lkaineI have 2 1/2 hours while playing a DVD... >3 hours when writing documents or doing anything else not using the video card
20:59.34woglindehrw I have a over 10 years old ibm 19"
20:59.42woglindewith 1024x1024
20:59.48emtethey made 19" 10 yrs ago?
20:59.54lkainewow
21:00.11woglindeibm 6091 19i
21:00.16zeckewoglinde: and I get a headache sitting in front of it
21:00.24emtemmm 96 ... yeah they started increasing monitor sizes around 94 ish ...
21:00.25woglindewhy?
21:00.26zeckewoglinde: and I swear this monitor eats little kitten
21:00.28woglinde75 hz
21:00.31likewiseSony Multiscan 400PS 19" and not going away before it breaks
21:00.43hrwwoglinde: I see flicker in 75Hz
21:00.47woglindeyes sony manufactred it for ibm
21:01.02emtehrw, you have flourecent lights in the room?
21:01.04lkainethat's amazing...
21:01.05woglindehrw get glasses
21:01.38hrwwoglinde I wear glasses for over 10 years
21:01.43hrwsorry for msg
21:01.44woglindehrw :)
21:01.47hrwircing remote
21:02.15emteflourecent lights flicker in the 70-80 Hz range and you notice it when your monitor is close to the same frequency
21:02.28lkainewhenever I run opie...it seems a lot slower than GPE counterpart.  I am running a 64mb memory with no storage on flash zImage configuration
21:02.31hrwfew years glasses (stronger and stronger) then contacts then glasses back
21:03.19zeckelkaine: all operations? or just start feels slower?
21:03.22emtei always have to change the monitors at school to 65Hz or 85Hz, i cant stand any range between em. too big a headache
21:03.47lkainezecke:  mostly all operations..and especially the package manager...it's REALLY slow
21:03.47woglindeemte yes there are many monitor's az 60 hz
21:03.59woglindeproblem windows default settings
21:04.09woglindeand the people dont know how to change it
21:04.11emteno all the systems are cloned
21:04.16woglindeor that it can be changed
21:04.16lkaineyeah..my lcd here runs @ 60hz
21:04.23woglindelkain bah
21:04.28lkaine?
21:04.29woglindelcd no prob
21:04.36woglindecrt with 60hz
21:04.38emteand whoever makes the initial image probably doesnt care
21:04.39lkaineah..yea
21:05.25woglindehave to change it at my mothers work
21:05.46lkainewhich distro has more packages vs. performance..opie or gpe?
21:05.55emteopie
21:06.10emtepackages made for it *
21:06.12zeckelkaine: well the package manager is bad to compare
21:06.39emtegpe has the benifits of being able to use most x11 apps
21:06.58ixothbut the overhead of X...
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21:07.19ixothand most X11 apps aren't suitable to use on 320x240
21:07.32ixothor even on 640x480
21:07.34emtemost are usuable with a few modifications
21:07.40TheCanixoth, well you have to be picky about this
21:07.40lkainei have a collie...so 320x240
21:08.01TheCan<- has a jornada, so 640x240
21:08.23emtebeing able to export your desktop as well has it's benifits
21:08.39hrw~fsck agere.com
21:08.40ibote2fsck /dev/agere.com : warning! filesystem contains helpdesk workers!
21:08.53lkaineI noticed a problem with gpe/x11 is that the fonts are much huger..I just want something I can use to possibly surf wifi/read pdf documents/etc.  Would opie be best for this?
21:09.19woglindeopie is okay for this
21:09.32woglindewith the new konq-emb
21:10.08emtekonq-emb builds for gpe as well does it not?
21:10.18woglindeemte yes
21:10.22woglindesorry
21:11.12lkaineis qpdf available for opie?  
21:11.59ixothand btw, what's the browser for new Qtopia? opera again?
21:12.26emteTHATS IT!! i have found programmers worse than MS
21:12.35emtethey are microchip!
21:13.06lkainemicrochip?
21:13.07emtethey all need to be sent back to school to learn how to manage code
21:13.46lkainedoes openzaurus use Ant/Maven or any type of continuous integration?
21:14.01emteif you want an example of the worst programming parcitces on earth, look at the Microchip enc28j60 tcpstack/webserver
21:14.18emtepractices*
21:14.56hrwemte: friend implemented vfat on pic18 with 1.5K ram
21:15.05lkaineI have to deal with bad programming practices every day...unfortunately I have to correct them.  At least I get paid for it.
21:15.17emtei hope the vfat code is cleaner than this
21:15.28hrwemte: had to be
21:15.57woglindehrw did he paided ms for patent?
21:16.55emtethis one has structures and unions strewen throught ~30 files there are full functions in headers and function declarations in c files, and everything inter-includes everything else because nothing is in the right place
21:18.14emtethere are function pointers to function pointers rhat point to functions bound with unions to data typecast returns
21:18.14lkaineemte: yuck
21:18.25lkaineI repeat previous statement
21:19.15thejapanewbie question -> what version of boost should be used with monotone? my fc5 has boost-devel.i386 1.33.1-5, but monotone 0.25 is complaining Error: Missing Dependency: libboost_regex.so.1 is needed by package monotone
21:19.15thejapaError: Missing Dependency: libboost_filesystem.so.1 is needed by package monotone
21:19.16thejapaError: Missing Dependency: libboost_date_time.so.1 is needed by package monotone
21:19.38thejapamarcin: the sourceforge is same version, guess i need an older one?
21:19.39hrwVersion: 0.25-0.1
21:19.39hrwDepends: libboost-date-time1.33.1, libboost-filesystem1.33.1, libboost-regex1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
21:19.52hrwthejapa: thats from my debian box
21:19.58emtethejapa, did you install the boost extensions or just the core library?
21:20.11zeckethejapa: try the static monotone binary
21:20.24thejapaboth, i guess. on fc5 it's boost.i386 and boost-devel.
21:20.32ixothmine;s[  ] dev-libs/boost-1.33.1 (1)
21:20.41emteyou need bost-filesystem boost-date  etc
21:20.52emtebost-filesystem*
21:20.58thejapaemte: thanks
21:20.59emtebah i still cant spell it
21:21.09thejapawas about to throw fedora out the windows
21:21.11thejapaoops
21:21.39lkaineis there an easy way to move your rootfs to an sd card?  I want the flexibility of not having to worry about "no space left on device"
21:21.52zeckelkaine: altboot from CoreDump|home
21:22.07CosmicPenguinThey have SD cards with infinite space now?  leet
21:22.24lkainehaha
21:22.31woglindecosmic 2 gig orr 4 gig shoud neer inifinite
21:22.38zeckeCosmicPenguin: using tape
21:22.38emteCosmicPenguin, if you never plan to read any data back, yeah :)
21:23.09lkaineCosmicPenguin: the problem I was having was that I would do a 64mb install...and then I would install a few packages and then my rootfs would get filled up with symbolic links or whatever and ipkg would...not obey the -d sd and put everything there
21:23.27zecke<PROTECTED>
21:23.33emtemy infinity drive is convieniently mapped to /dev/void
21:24.05lkaineand my drive that will eventually collapse space-time is also mapped to /dev/null
21:24.31emtehmm
21:24.52emtespeaking of that ... i wonder which stage the accelerator is at
21:25.51thejapacan u dd if=/dev/void of=/dev/null?
21:25.52thejapaduh
21:27.42hrwfsck.. hermes-II wifi cards are supported only under 2.4 ;(
21:29.07emtehmm cant find the page ...
21:29.19emteoh well the earth implodes next year anyway
21:29.24thejapa<PROTECTED>
21:29.25thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_date_time.so.1.33.1
21:29.25thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_date_time.so.2
21:29.25thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_filesystem.so.1.33.1
21:29.25thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_filesystem.so.2
21:29.25thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_regex.so.1.33.1
21:29.27thejapa/usr/lib/libboost_regex.so.2
21:29.36thejapacan I softlink them??
21:30.07woglindeemte no the meteroit should collapse yesterday into earth
21:31.21emtewoglinde, no, the final stage of the LHC CERN Accelerator goes active then, one of the thoeries is that earth will collapse
21:31.41emteofcourse they say that about every new accelerator
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21:45.00thejapaok
21:45.03thejapadidn't work
21:45.31thejapai'm gonna use debian
21:47.21zeckethejapa: using the static built?
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21:47.54zeckewb back master
21:48.20pb_good evening zecke
21:48.22hrw~curse agere
21:48.27ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, agere !
21:48.27hrwhi pb
21:48.38pb_hi hrw
21:48.48woglindehi pb
21:48.59woglindepb did the pub close?
21:49.07hrw802.11g cards which use Agere Hermes II chipset are supported only under 2.4 ;(
21:49.31woglindehrw no chance to port the driver?
21:49.41woglindeto the new wifi-architecture
21:49.48thejapazecke: no, standard rpm
21:50.02hrwwoglinde: source is available on GPL so someone can start it
21:50.06thejapaer... how do I get it static? sorry for the lame question
21:50.13pb_hi woglinde
21:50.16zeckethejapa: it is static
21:50.25zeckethejapa: put it in your home dir ;)
21:50.26pb_actually no, the pubs are still open
21:50.33woglindethejappa compile monotone your self
21:50.44woglindepb :)
21:50.48thejapayeah, master told me that already :)
21:51.05thejapai was giving it a last try...
21:51.06hrwthejapa: http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.25.2-linux-x86.bz2
21:51.09woglindethan go to work *yedimovement*
21:51.41zeckewoglinde: the young padawan...
21:51.51zeckewoglinde: get me some finish food *yedimovement*
21:51.57zeckewoglinde: and some nachos *yedimovement*
21:52.09pb_heh
21:52.18thejapa:D
21:52.32zeckehmm where is that finish coming from...
21:53.38pb_I'll be on vacation for a few days from tomorrow.  back on wednesday.
21:54.00hrwpb_: enjoy
21:54.07Ken|JLimeanyone built lzo successfully lately?
21:54.22hrwKen|JLime: I did - for arm on amd64 iirc
21:54.44thejapappl, thanks for the help, i must go to my operating systems class :0
21:55.08hrwthejapa: cu then
21:55.15thejapa:)
21:55.24thejapacu in pt-br is assho*e
21:55.28woglindepb scotland?
21:55.34thejapai mean, the "organ"
21:55.37thejapaor hole
21:55.37thejapa:)
21:55.41thejapabye
21:55.44hrwthejapa: good to know
21:55.49woglindebye hrw
21:55.51pb_woglinde: not quite that far north, but nearly
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21:55.56Ken|JLimehrw: oki, means I must bugtrack abit further then
21:55.58woglindeloch ness
21:56.01woglinde*g*
21:56.19pb_newcastle, northumberland, that kind of area
21:56.26hrwwoglinde: the question is... to see a monster or to be a monster... D:
21:57.09woglindeokay will go to sleep too
21:57.31pb_woglinde: night night
21:57.32hrwyep.. time to reboot, start few torrents and go sleep
21:58.02hrwbrb
22:02.23hrwre
22:06.10lkainedoes openzaurus use cvs or svn?
22:06.42hrwmonotone
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22:12.17mickeyllooks we're slowly getting somewhere...
22:12.18mickeylhttp://www.vanille.de/temp/a780/DSC02830.JPG
22:12.19mickeylg'night
22:12.52zeckemickey|zzZZzz: hmm we should consider buying a Qtopia phone license :}
22:13.02zeckebut nice!
22:14.58reenoomickey|zzZZzz: cute! congrats!
22:15.33hrwmickey|zzZZzz: nice progress!
22:16.32ixothwow, nice!
22:24.01Ken|JLimemickey|zzZZzz: gratz :D
22:24.13lkainewhat pda is that?
22:24.22Ken|JLime:-P
22:24.28hrwlkaine: its phone - motorola a780
22:24.38ixoththat's motorola ezx phone
22:25.38zeckekoen: the world graph is down to a 3.1mb png
22:26.01lkainei see thanks
22:29.26lkainedid he cross compile oz for the a780, or through the openezx project?
22:30.05zeckelkaine: neither
22:30.15lkainezecke: then what?
22:30.26zeckelkaine: He uses OpenEmbedded to create an image/distribution for the A780
22:30.35zeckeOZ!=OE
22:30.44lkaineok i see
22:31.02lkaineOE maintains specific kernel drives for different architectures or what?
22:31.04lkaine*drivers
22:31.23zeckelkaine: no, OE is that what Debian doesn't want to be
22:31.34zeckelkaine: we are a toolkit, specialised on Embedded and mobile linux
22:31.41zecketo cross compile and create distributions
22:31.57zeckeOpenZaurus is using OE to create their distribution
22:31.58lkaineah.  when you say what Debian doesn't want to be, what do you mean?
22:32.07lkaineah ok
22:32.20zeckelkaine: see the recent reports from the DebConf
22:32.34lkainea specific distribution aimed for the Zaurus (collie, c series, 5600 etc)?
22:32.35zeckelkaine: OpenEmbedded is just a toolkit to create stuff
22:33.39lkaineit maintains the libraries and such for creating stuff?  i'm sorry.  I'm trying to get into this and haven't been into it in awhile.
22:33.44ixothOpenEmbedded is like ports system in BSD
22:33.51ixothor portage in Gentoo
22:34.01lkaineI use Debian/FreeBSD..so I know
22:34.13zeckenot  like that
22:34.33ixothhmmm... similar... we have metadata and compile it
22:34.34zeckelkaine: OpenEmbedded is a set of metadata (recipes) to build and create stuff (e.g. flashable images, feeds)
22:34.40lkainebut what does OE actually in terms of creating images etc?
22:34.46lkaineok
22:35.04zeckelkaine: OpenEmbedded is so fleixble projects like OpenZaurus, Familiar or Angstrom
22:35.14zeckecan use it to create their distributions
22:35.20lkaineand OZ creates the kernel for the specific architecture (collie, 5600 etc) and then uses OE to create the zImage and initrd.bin?
22:35.27zeckelkaine: 'creates'
22:35.39lkainewell, maintains/extends
22:35.40zeckelkaine: RP and do13 write the kernels
22:36.05zeckelkaine: the border is 'thin' as most of the OZ devels (hrw!) are OE devels as well
22:36.13zeckeso we 'share' the recipes...
22:36.20ixothfor example, I use OE to make images for x86 and MIPS routers
22:36.41hrwand recent OZ fix for samba was made by people working on SH4 machines
22:36.45lkainedoes OpenWRT also use OE?
22:37.00zeckelkaine: not that I know
22:37.05hrwlkaine: no - but Oe can be used to build packages for openwrt
22:37.28hrwI use openwrt on my wrt54gs and sometimes I install OE built stuff there
22:37.44lkainehrw: I use openwrt as well on my wrt54g
22:38.09Ken|JLimeI use it on my jornada 680 :D (SuperH-3 Based)
22:38.16lkainezecke: when you say RP and do13 write the kernels, these are specific developers on the oz project?
22:38.49hrwlkaine: they are OE devels
22:38.53hrwrather then OZ devels
22:39.22hrwmost of devels working in OZ project work on OE
22:39.29lkaineso OZ maintains specific packages or kernel modules relevant to OZ specific stuff only?
22:39.45zeckelkaine: OZ selects specific versions of packages
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22:39.54zeckelkaine: to build their distribution
22:40.00zeckelkaine: e.g. a version of the gcc
22:40.04Ken|JLimelkaine: its like gentoo, it grabs the sources, patches it and builds it
22:40.25zeckebut is more flexible than like Gentoo, Ports, buildroot
22:40.29Ken|JLimeyeah
22:40.29hrwlkaine: OZ people make some packages changed to work them a bit different with OZ (like checkin kernel version on each boot)
22:41.22lkaineso what project actually handles the specific kernel writing that's specific to zaurus hardware only, such as the collie, 5600, cx00, etc?
22:41.39lkaineor is that OE still?
22:41.43hrwlkaine: OE with help of OZ devels
22:42.14hrwlkaine: Z running linux-openzaurus 2.6 from OE can boot openzaurus, familiar, angstrom, umbaumba distros
22:43.40lkainehrw: ok, I think I am understanding.  
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22:44.40hrwlkaine: OE contain metadata, OZ use metadata to build distro which can be run on any machine which is in OE and is arm
22:45.26lkainehrw: OE only supports StrongARM arch?
22:45.37lkainehrw: or xscale?
22:45.47ixothOE supports everything :)
22:45.59ixothdoesn't really care about arches
22:46.13lkainebut OZ only builds for arm/xscale or what?
22:46.23ixothyou can add description to generate packages for your own machine
22:46.34hrwoe support: x86 (few flavours), mipsel, powerpc, arm (xscale, strongarm, arm920, arm926)
22:46.51Ken|JLime*chuckle*
22:47.13hrwOZ is built for strongarm (feed) and xscale (most of machines)
22:47.19zeckelkaine: in contrast to other solutions OE can generate anything, any package format, any arch
22:47.36Ken|JLimehrw: dont forget the SuuuuuperH arch also :D
22:47.39hrwangstrom will be built for xscale, iwmmxt, crunch models of arm
22:47.44hrwKen|JLime: sorry..
22:47.48Ken|JLimehrw: :P
22:47.52lkaineand pdaxrom uses OE?
22:47.54hrwoe also support SuperH: 3 and 4
22:47.58hrwlkaine: no
22:48.01Ken|JLime:)
22:48.08lkainewhat about pocketdebian?
22:48.23Ken|JLimeembedded debian?
22:48.23zeckeno
22:48.24hrwwe also support sparcs
22:50.26lkaineso if I wanted to create/build/maintain a package in the feed...I would setup an OE build environment..and then setup OZ build environment etc?
22:50.52zeckelkaine: you would get OE
22:51.00zeckelkaine: configure it using the OpenZaurus settings
22:51.03zeckelkaine: write a bb file
22:51.08zeckelkaine: and build it
22:51.25zeckelkaine: http://oe.handhelds.org/screencasts/org.openembedded.htm
22:53.05lkaineokay, watching the video
22:55.31hrwKen|JLime: lzo built for arm
22:56.18Ken|JLimehrw: I fixed it by setting ac_cv_sizeof_char_p=....=4, but still have no idea why it built for arm and x86
22:57.29Ken|JLimeGot http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1050, if you want to do a quick look
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22:57.35lkainewhat I want to know is why isn't OE using Ant or Maven?
22:57.53zeckelkaine: ant? Java build tool?
22:57.54hrwant is that 'make for java'?
22:59.00hrwjava makes me sick
22:59.04lkaineAnt is a build management tool.  It's far superior than make and provides configuration through verbose metadata and build rules specified through XML.  Maven uses Ant to provide further functionality through plugins and allow building easier.
22:59.16hrw<PROTECTED>
22:59.28lkaineAnt/Maven are written in java, but are not solely for java projeccts.
22:59.41Ken|JLimeSounds like a good way to get new bugs
22:59.43zeckelkaine: well, can it do OVERRIDES easily?
22:59.50hrwanything which is java written has -999 points here
22:59.56koenzecke: yes I added monotone 0.26 to OE
22:59.57zeckee.g. without writing 1000 lines of XML to apply a patch
23:00.05koenor at least I had a working .bb in my tree
23:00.11zeckeonly for machine FOO and distri MOO?
23:00.17zeckekoen: okay, you miss a patch?!
23:00.26lkainezecke: it can handle OVERRIDES easily
23:00.30koenzecke: I did?
23:00.39zeckekoen: looks like, not buildable here
23:00.53zeckelkaine: can it do collections?
23:01.00hrwKen|JLime: Packaged contents of lzo into /home/hrw/devel/build/test/tmp/deploy/ipk/lzo_1.08-r14_mipsel.ipk
23:01.10lkainezecke: check it out if you want.  I'm sure it does.
23:01.22zeckelkaine: lol
23:01.38Ken|JLimehrw: :(
23:01.55Ken|JLimehrw: How can it build for all those without needing an ac_cv_sizeof_char_p??
23:02.23zeckelkaine: so you have not used ant to realize common OpenEmbedded use cases and wonder why it is not used?
23:02.24hrwlkaine: I think that we should switch to ptxdist - it even has 'make menuconfig' so you do not have write config file to start build
23:02.38hrwKen|JLime: dont ask me...
23:02.41zeckehrw: I always wanted to propose that
23:03.18hrwzecke: ptxdist or mae menuconfig?
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23:03.35zeckehrw: ptxdist
23:03.58lkainedoes everyone hate java here or what?  lol
23:04.06Ken|JLimeprobobly
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23:04.20hrwlkaine: I hate everything which take 0.5G ram for nothing
23:04.25zeckelkaine: no? just answer the questions
23:04.47zeckelkaine: so you have not realized the OE uses cases in ant, why do you think it is comparable to OE?
23:05.00koenaaaargh
23:05.01koenant
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23:05.30koenI still have a ant.bbclass under a very icky license on ewi
23:05.31zeckelkaine: OE are thousands of tasks (in our language BBfiles/recipes)
23:05.33hrwlet someone port EAutoBuild from AmigaOs... or EMake...
23:06.09zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/opie-build.png
23:06.20hrwI used EAutoBuild to generate copies for each user of my MultiView
23:06.21lkaineit was just a suggestion.  I asked earlier if OE/OZ had any type of continuous integration system in place.
23:06.40Ken|JLimezecke: haha
23:06.47zecke'continous' integration?
23:07.09hrwzecke: nice graph
23:07.09zeckelkaine: if you suggest FOO technology, you should know FOO really well and what it will replace ;)
23:07.11lkainezecke: you've never heard the term before?
23:07.27zeckelkaine: well my CS language is german
23:08.10lkainezecke: what?
23:08.10koenzecke: cute
23:08.23ggilbert_lkaine: His primary language is german.
23:08.41zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/gpe-build.png
23:08.54zeckeMy Computer Science terminology is german
23:09.08zeckelkaine: so if you get me a proper translation, I'm sure I know what you mean
23:09.20hrwContinuous Integration is a software development practice where members of a team integrate their work frequently, usually each person integrates at least daily - leading to multiple integrations per day. Each integration is verified by an automated build (including test) to detect integration errors as quickly as possible. Many teams find that this approach leads to significantly reduced integration problems and allows a team to develop cohesive software
23:09.27hrwhttp://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html
23:10.28ggilbert_what's the german word for spam? :p
23:10.28lkaineI was almost finished typing, but yeah...
23:10.28reenooggilbert_: spam
23:10.29koenzecke: I think we can flag pkgconfig-native as a bogus dep as well
23:10.29hrwggilbert_: Polish word is 'mielonka' (meat spam)
23:10.29ggilbert_hehe
23:10.31Ken|JLimeggilbert_: swedish word is 'spam'
23:10.41ggilbert_argh. It was a joke folks :p
23:10.53Ken|JLime:-P
23:10.56lkaineso I take it OE/OZ doesn't use cont. integration.  
23:11.05ggilbert_In hawaii they just call it delicious
23:11.15Ken|JLimeggilbert_: hehe
23:11.46zeckelkaine: we have a tinderbox, but it is not as easy as one expects
23:11.52hrwlkaine: if'Continuous Integration is a software development practice where members of a team integrate their work frequently' is your definition then we do it
23:12.15lkainehrw: no, that's not it
23:12.23hrwlkaine: but we do not have too much autobuilds
23:12.29zeckekoen: check the graph again
23:12.45lkainehrw: it's not so much as integrating work frequently, but building automatically 24/7 to provide the facility of providing less bugs and more communication between developers of a project
23:13.13zeckelkaine: tinderbox
23:13.24koenzecke: much better
23:13.33reenoocontinuous integration relies on automated tests. OE doesn't cover that type of thing for the most part
23:13.36zeckelkaine: but the issue is how to test ~10.000 interactive (GUI) and non-interative tools
23:14.07zeckelkaine: but I guess ant is magically solving this case
23:14.21lkaineI think this is a dead end...people here are too closed minded.
23:14.22zeckeso yeah pxdist and ant looks perfetcly right
23:14.36zeckelol
23:15.01ixothgood luck everyone...
23:15.08ixothtime for me to sleep
23:15.09zeckelkaine: I just think you have no domain knowledge
23:15.24hrwlkaine: basically OE could be automated to do tests - iirc nslu people do autobuilds for their targets
23:15.38reenooheh
23:15.48reenooautobuilds != strict unit tests
23:16.00lkaineyep
23:16.17hrwanyway  its 01:00 here so I rather have most of brain suspended sobetter will shut
23:16.40zeckekoen: now added gpe-calendar and datebook to the graph
23:17.04zeckewhy is gtk+ needing libgcrypt to build?
23:17.44koenzecke: display migration?
23:18.05zeckekoen: gtk+ doesn't link against display migration?!
23:18.13zeckekoen: and displaymigration is even secure?
23:18.37koenthe gcrypt dep has been under discussion a while ago
23:19.06zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/matchbox-build.png
23:19.33lkainezecke: and I do have domain knowledge...I was only curious as to what standards were in place...and continuous integration isn't specific domain knowledge..it's basic se knowledge.  unit and mock tests could provide a facility that could be useful.  and ant doesn't magically solve it, you have to do the work yourself
23:19.36zeckematchbox-panel depends on virtual/kernel?
23:20.03koenzecke: wireless tools plugins?
23:20.13koenanyway
23:20.16hrwkoen: they should use libiw rather?
23:20.19zeckelkaine: well, I doubt you have domain knowledge on toolchains, cross compiling, packaging
23:20.53zeckelkaine: and well, we start to get Continous building and static analysis in place (slowly)
23:20.56lkainezecke: not much, no.  I am trying to learn and was asking questions.  
23:21.10zeckelkaine: the next part will involve dynamic analysis (runtime testing)
23:21.24lkainewtf mate
23:21.39lkainezecke: what is your problem?
23:21.44zeckenone
23:21.54zeckeI'm telling you what is there, what is getting build
23:21.58Ken|JLimekoen: hell just frooze over, Cause I built opie-image for the first time :-D
23:22.21ggilbert_lkaine: I suspect your going to run into manpower problems with any testing beyond verifying that stuff builds.
23:22.48zeckeKen|JLime: wow, Opie conquers SuperH
23:23.59ggilbert_lkaine: Zecke runs a build daemon to make sure a few targets build
23:24.02hrwJornada ODevice?
23:24.21ggilbert_but in terms of complete testing, that just doesn't happen because of resource limiations.
23:24.23lkaineggilbert_: testing doesn't need involve actual testing.  through strict test-driven development, unit testing, etc...the tests would be automated and wouldn't need involving anyone except for writing tests.  
23:24.44zeckeBuilds, Source is available, patches apply and common errors
23:24.45Ken|JLimezecke: yeah :D
23:24.45lkaineand when I say testing.  I don't mean actual testing.  I mean unit tests or mock tests.
23:24.58ggilbert_lkaine: Well tests would need to be written for several thousand bb's would they not?
23:24.59hrwcu
23:25.20ggilbert_and as I said, a major roadblock would just be the ability to build everything fequently
23:25.31lkainethat's true
23:26.11ggilbert_I haven't built this stuff in a while, but a single target was around 6 hours or so
23:26.27zeckelkaine: http://liw.iki.fi/liw/talks/finnish-inquisition.pdf
23:26.51ggilbert_maybe more actually, kind of fuzzy
23:26.53zeckelkaine: What we can do today is: Compile regulary in many configurations for many targets
23:27.23ggilbert_zecke: how long does a full world build take these days?
23:27.38zeckecheck if source-code is available, check if patches are present and apply, check if the recipes match common quality criteria
23:27.54zeckewhen compiling packages we do basic quality checking already or soon will do
23:28.11zeckewhat we currently don't do: Testing the packages on the target automatically
23:28.35zeckelkaine: as this would mean having unit-tests for KDE, GNOME, Linux Kernel
23:28.38zecke...
23:28.53zeckeggilbert_: days probably
23:28.55zeckeggilbert_: weeks ;)
23:29.37ggilbert_well you don't need to test every package in depth
23:30.21zeckelkaine: we had bugs like that: zip was supposed to be compiled for arm
23:30.28lkaineand you don't need to build continuously on every package, only the central repository
23:30.53zeckelkaine: but was compiled using the host compiler, using 'file' on package building can uncover these issues
23:31.00zeckelkaine: well, in OE there is no center
23:31.13lkainemonotone is distributed right?
23:31.28lkaineor rather OE is distributed versioning via monotone
23:31.40zeckelkaine: in theory, yes
23:31.41ggilbert_lkaine: not sure what you're getting at
23:32.25ggilbert_Building the "blessed" tree? That's still an extremely large build with quite a few combinations
23:33.00zeckelkaine: monotone allows to attach the results of test cases to the recipes
23:33.29zeckelkaine: so in the future we will attach the results of automatic anaylsis automatically
23:34.54Ken|JLimezecke: just booted it up, works wonderfully :D (although in need of some adjusting for the j6xx)
23:34.59lkainezecke: for future reference I wasn't saying it should switch.  I was only asking and questioning.  
23:35.00zeckeKen|JLime: wow
23:35.08zeckelkaine: okay
23:35.19zeckelkaine: but as with everything where humans are involved
23:35.22ggilbert_lkaine: Not sure if we're disconnected somewhere, but I'm talking about a single  build of whatever you want to consider the official tree
23:35.26zeckeit is one thing what information you can get
23:35.31zeckeand what information will be used
23:35.44zeckelkaine: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuilds
23:37.42lkainezecke: this is the amount of time for building a specific tree/image?
23:38.13zeckelkaine: on a ~fast p4 a build of a GUI image (Opie or GPE) takes roughly four hours
23:38.29zeckelkaine: we can do clobbered builds (rebuilding the stuff that changed)
23:38.51zeckelkaine: and what I'm working on ATM is creating a Bonsai for Monotone and SVN
23:39.12zeckelkaine: you can leave comments on the build reports etc...
23:39.14ggilbert_jebus, what are the nslu2 guys building on?
23:39.38zeckeggilbert_: that is a BitBake bug :}
23:39.47zeckeggilbert_: it misses to inform the box it is done
23:39.55ggilbert_hehe
23:40.00lkaineI was about to say...20 days to do 1 build.
23:40.28ggilbert_I've always been under the opinion that a custom buildd might be handy for  oe
23:40.49ggilbert_tinderbox just doesn't seem to get to a very interesting level of granularity
23:41.06zeckeggilbert_: yet! ;)
23:41.10ggilbert_hehe
23:41.18zeckeas everything it depends on the available time
23:41.21ggilbert_yeah
23:41.30ggilbert_Which is why I never finished writing that buildd
23:41.48zeckeVision: It will provide a query page. You will be able to do queries like
23:42.04zeckeShow me all versions of FOO that got build on platforms xyz using gcc xyz
23:42.23zeckeand each build report will get a sane overview as well
23:42.34zeckehttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=29&logfile=20060526005538.log
23:42.37lkainezecke: what are you writing it in?  perl?
23:42.42ggilbert_I'd like to see  what packages didn't build :p
23:42.46zeckelkaine: sadly it is perl :(
23:43.03zeckeggilbert_: 'build' = were attempted to build
23:43.05lkainezecke: perl isn't too bad.  I know perl myself...but prefer php...and j2ee.
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23:45.56lkainezecke: iBATIS SQL maps maybe?
23:46.50lkainezecke:  oh...is it HiveMind?
23:46.51zeckelkaine: Struts+Tomcat+ http://db.apache.org/ojb/
23:47.01lkainezecke: Struts...yuck
23:47.02zeckemakes a perfect server application
23:47.09lkaineno it doesnt :P
23:47.25zeckeojb is wonderful though
23:47.28lkaineStruts is ugly.  even more metadata to deal with..and the implementation isn't as good.  Rumor is that Struts is going dead.
23:47.43zeckeI might be mistaken about struts then
23:47.51lkaineobj is nice..but I'd rather use hibernate
23:47.54zeckebut ojb was nice to use
23:48.08lkaineif you want to look into a better framework check out http://www.springframework.org/
23:48.18zeckebut yeah, the tinderbox is written and perl
23:48.30zeckeand it is too much to decide to do better in another language
23:48.39lkainetoo late you mean?
23:49.05zeckehehe, well in proper english :)
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23:49.37zecketoo much as in == Too much code to simply throw away and start something from scratch
23:49.45lkainezecke: well, your english is better than my german...I speak almost none :P lol
23:49.52lkainezecke: I understand
23:50.38zeckelkaine: the 'time' didn't weight too much. Using a badly written perl application allows us to use it 'now'
23:50.58zeckea proper Java Application which is well designed would take way longer
23:51.08lkainezecke: I understand.  PHP is the same way.
23:53.08zeckeobviously you are welcome to help on automatic testing and establishing a useful framework
23:56.48lkaineare you saying the perl app or what?
23:57.29zeckeanything
23:57.54reenoo'night all
23:58.24zeckelkaine: are you a student?
23:58.27lkainea lot of programmers in europe everyone is going to bed.. :P
23:58.27zeckereenoo: sleep well!
23:58.36lkainezecke: always
23:58.40zeckeI'm going to bed soon as well
23:58.51zeckelkaine: are you enrolled in a university?
23:59.22lkainezecke: yes.  going for my bachelors in computer science and mathematics
23:59.57lkainezecke: you?

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