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| 07:01.38 | koen | ~mornings |
| 07:01.40 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 07:01.46 | koen | ~mondays |
| 07:01.47 | ibot | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 07:15.09 | emte | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942 |
| 07:15.15 | emte | koen, is that even valid? |
| 07:16.04 | emte | or any awake oz person |
| 07:18.29 | emte | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=933 a game is a blocking bug for oz 3.5.4.x ... |
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| 07:21.09 | Genesis | bonjour |
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| 07:29.00 | sws | morning |
| 07:30.50 | hrw|work | hi |
| 07:31.18 | hrw|work | ~monday |
| 07:31.20 | ibot | monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 07:32.58 | koen | "The internet was only designed for transmission of '0's and '1's, but HD video uses a lot of '2's." |
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| 07:33.48 | johnX | wow, just wow |
| 07:34.16 | Ifaistos | morning ! It looks everyone is so happy on Monday mornings.... |
| 07:38.00 | sws | i cant mount my mtdblock3 home partition not on my poodle nor on my tosa, may i reformat it? |
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| 07:39.07 | do13_ | morning all |
| 07:40.40 | koen | hey dirk |
| 07:40.52 | do13_ | hi koen |
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| 07:42.33 | zecke | *cry* |
| 07:42.59 | koen | hey blogmeister zecke |
| 07:43.25 | zecke | ;) |
| 07:43.32 | do13_ | hey zecke |
| 07:43.40 | zecke | my disk died :( |
| 07:44.06 | johnX | lame |
| 07:44.06 | zecke | koen: and the screencast is lost :( |
| 07:44.16 | koen | ouch |
| 07:44.23 | johnX | is it really dead? or just kinda dead? |
| 07:45.02 | zecke | johnX: by the sound it made yesterday |
| 07:45.12 | zecke | johnX: and the errors in smartctl yesterday... |
| 07:45.34 | zecke | I had hoped to finish recording of the screencast |
| 07:45.41 | johnX | ouch |
| 07:45.42 | zecke | but now the things hangs... |
| 07:48.08 | zecke | hmm, 'm going to the office now :} |
| 07:51.54 | zecke | hmm... |
| 07:52.01 | zecke | it is alive (the system) |
| 07:52.51 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 07:57.43 | hrw|work | ~lart njs for monotone 0.26 in debian |
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| 08:05.37 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: oz 3.5.4.1 will be with pcmcia-cs |
| 08:06.10 | CoreDump|home | yeah, I noticed -cs showing up in my images. why is that? |
| 08:06.33 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: dont want to fight with kernel guys again and again |
| 08:07.00 | CoreDump|home | huh? I though -cs was deprecated and support for it will be eventually removed |
| 08:07.01 | hrw|work | and there is no way to tell kernel "for card UMBA use hostap not orinoco" when both support this card |
| 08:07.30 | hrw|work | removing UMBA from orinoco is NoFsckingWayMan |
| 08:07.44 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 08:07.55 | CoreDump|home | sooner or later we'll have to find a way |
| 08:08.11 | hrw|work | maybe to that day solution will exist |
| 08:08.53 | hrw|work | now it is 'blacklist module' which is wrong for distro as it need user with KNOWLEDGE (which is not often in OZ userbase) |
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| 08:09.07 | hrw|work | hi TMM1 |
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| 08:30.37 | sws | do13_: what may a kernel 2.6 bootstrap-image have done to my tosa? |
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| 08:31.45 | do13_ | sws: what's your problem? |
| 08:33.12 | sws | the home partition at mtdblock3 cant be mounted |
| 08:33.31 | do13_ | sws: with 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:33.47 | sws | do13_:yes |
| 08:34.19 | sws | do13_: and i did forget to do a nand backup |
| 08:35.58 | do13_ | sws: 2.6 jffs2 isn't compatible with 2.4. So after a write cycle 2.4 kernel can't mount the partition. |
| 08:36.14 | CoreDump|home | which kinda sucks |
| 08:36.35 | do13_ | sws: I guess the 2.4 syslog shows an oops |
| 08:37.16 | koen | 2.6 jffs2 *is* compatible with 2.4 jffs2, just not with lineo jffs2.... |
| 08:37.43 | hrw|work | koen: jffs2 is compatible - nand driver is not |
| 08:37.43 | sws | do13_: so its a filesystem issue, just a wild guess: cant i reformat or should i first learn more about what jffs2 is :) ? |
| 08:38.21 | koen | you should be able to reformat |
| 08:38.33 | do13_ | sws: or nand restore: http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/ |
| 08:38.52 | do13_ | sws: another option: use 2.6 |
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| 08:42.30 | sws | do13_: i'd like to use 2.6 but i need full usb support and maybe Xserver |
| 08:42.34 | CoreDump|home | grrr |
| 08:42.38 | CoreDump|home | ~lart opie |
| 08:43.20 | do13_ | sws: Xserver is no problem. usb host? |
| 08:43.44 | sws | do13_:thanks for the link, now i have a nand backup, hopefully i will get my home partition back soon |
| 08:44.11 | sws | do13_: yes, have to connect usb dongle to the tosa |
| 08:44.50 | do13_ | sws: modprobe ohci-hcd and usb should work. |
| 08:45.46 | do13_ | sws: But you need to remove the module on suspend, this needs a apm script |
| 08:47.23 | sws | do13_: i will try, i gave up on 2.6 a while ago, so i need to bitbake bootstrap-image, this will take an hour or two |
| 08:48.38 | do13_ | sws: this is faster: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/image/ |
| 08:49.07 | sws | will a nand backup someone did on a poodle with whatever os bring me my home partition back on my poodle? ( there i have same prob ) |
| 08:50.01 | hrw|work | sws: should iirc |
| 08:50.55 | sws | do13_: thanks, but i need to build some stuff on my own to see if usb dongle works, some kernel drivers .. |
| 08:51.51 | do13_ | sws: ok, which usb dongle? |
| 08:52.29 | sws | do13_: its a can connector |
| 08:52.44 | do13_ | sws: cool |
| 08:53.58 | sws | koen: if reformating is possible, how may i access the mtdblock? |
| 08:54.02 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r66b2c04d... 10/conf/licenses.conf: licenses.conf: added xrdb |
| 08:54.06 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * reb33030d... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: zaurus-clamshell: ship modules for USB mouse support |
| 08:54.10 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5d8394d6... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-openzaurus: drop all WiFi cards IDs patches |
| 08:54.14 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r58906c88... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-openzaurus: add fix for OOPS on SD/MMC card eject (patch by RMK) |
| 08:57.33 | CoreDump|home | god damn opies retarded key handling. Why can't QTE just use the fricking kernel keymap like any other GUI |
| 08:58.11 | sws | do13_: should i use .oz354x or .dev with kernel 2.6? |
| 08:58.53 | do13_ | sws: .oz354x is better |
| 08:59.21 | do13_ | sws: it generates working images:) |
| 08:59.33 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: it use it with qt/e r33 iirc |
| 09:00.11 | CoreDump|home | I've enabled the kernel-keymap patch for Poodle. And while normal keys work fine, the modifiers are all FUBAR |
| 09:00.24 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: contact zecke then |
| 09:00.29 | CoreDump|home | I did heh |
| 09:00.42 | CoreDump|home | he told me to enable that patch in the first place =) |
| 09:00.44 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: QWS_KEYBOARD=USB could also be checked |
| 09:01.11 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rdc72cd84... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell.conf: |
| 09:01.11 | CIA-9 | zaurus-clamshell: revert to pcmcia-cs instead of pcmciautils |
| 09:01.11 | CIA-9 | - I do not have a time to fight with adding card IDs to proper drivers. |
| 09:01.11 | CIA-9 | - There is no way to select preferred driver when more then one driver |
| 09:01.11 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.12 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.16 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.14 | koen | hrw|work: LOL at the pdaX 'brightness applet doesn't work' thread :) |
| 09:03.31 | hrw|work | 15 10:45 < hrw|work> sash: how goes pdax betatesting? |
| 09:03.32 | hrw|work | 15 10:56 < sashz_horror> fine - need rewrite some settings utils |
| 09:03.52 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfce9e6b5... 10/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: |
| 09:03.52 | CIA-9 | meta-opie: ship pcmcia applet, do not ship VT and logout applets |
| 09:03.53 | CIA-9 | - OZ 3.5.4.1 will use pcmcia-cs so pcmcia applet will work again |
| 09:03.53 | CIA-9 | - many users shoot in foot with VT and Logout applets so I removed them |
| 09:03.53 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.45 | hrw|work | ~users |
| 09:04.51 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 09:07.56 | sws | if i build a bootstrap-image it fails with unsatisfied dependencies for hostap-conf, where should i select the preferred provider? |
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| 09:12.09 | zecke | re |
| 09:12.21 | zecke | koen: disk is broken and wink is a memory hog :} |
| 09:12.31 | zecke | but I have a workaround... |
| 09:13.43 | koen | cool |
| 09:18.00 | _law_ | is anybody at the linuxtage in graz? http://linuxwochen.at/2006/Graz |
| 09:19.07 | koen | sadly not |
| 09:19.50 | do13_ | sws: Hmm. try bitbake hostap-conf |
| 09:20.36 | CoreDump|home | sws: bitbake -b packages/hostap/hostap-conf |
| 09:20.38 | sws | i already do, that fixes the dependencies, i just would like to overcome this step |
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| 09:23.08 | Terminar | hi |
| 09:23.11 | zecke | I don't get him, he would have been able to mentor... |
| 09:23.40 | koen | he's looking for an excuse to blame OZ I guess |
| 09:24.00 | zecke | Google introduced a 'Summary' to see who gave how many points |
| 09:24.12 | Terminar | Ifaistos: any news about the oe on x86 (glibc problem)? |
| 09:24.25 | zecke | all proposals have some kind of +2 +1 +4 -1 thing from ~4 people |
| 09:24.29 | hrw|work | zecke: and this is good thing |
| 09:24.34 | zecke | sash proposal has alone + |
| 09:24.36 | hrw|work | zecke: and 16 from sash or -8 |
| 09:24.38 | zecke | +16 from sash :} |
| 09:24.47 | zecke | +16 and -8 on another... |
| 09:25.23 | zecke | hrw|work: and the latest +8 are just like "Beavis and Butt-head" |
| 09:25.36 | zecke | "Hrhr +4 good, bienno, hrhr" |
| 09:25.52 | zecke | anyway back to work |
| 09:35.57 | sws | finally i found a nand backup for my poodle, located at oesf.org/howto/downloads. does the nand backup depend on the used processor? may a nand for a pxa250 brick my pxa255 poodle? |
| 09:55.12 | pb__ | hail zecke |
| 09:55.20 | zecke | pb__: ho |
| 09:55.25 | zecke | pb__: every played with -isystem |
| 09:55.39 | pb__ | don't think so |
| 10:03.56 | zecke | pb__: do know of possible issues with -isystem? |
| 10:04.03 | zecke | OT: was ipkg 0.99.159 broken? |
| 10:04.59 | koen | zecke: virtually every ipkg after .154 had a serious bug |
| 10:05.17 | koen | .162 should have those fixed, but afaik nobody tried it yet |
| 10:05.20 | zecke | mine doesn't install packages |
| 10:05.33 | zecke | hrw|meeting: which ipkg is sued for OZ354x? |
| 10:05.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 10:08.31 | pb__ | zecke: I don't know of any issues. Might be worth trying it out. |
| 10:09.22 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r844655bd... 10/packages/lyx/ (lyx_1.4.0.bb lyx_1.4.1.bb): lyx: remove 1.4.0, fix SRC_URI for 1.4.1 due to upstream moves in the repository |
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| 10:24.21 | hrw|meeting | zecke: .159 |
| 10:24.47 | koen | zecke: see the patches in the bugtracker for ipkg |
| 10:28.43 | zecke | hrw|work: oh, it is working? |
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| 10:29.02 | hrw|work | zecke: slow but yes |
| 10:29.52 | hrw|work | hmm.. how to make "if(bb.__version < "1.4.3") bb.fatal()" in .conf file? |
| 10:30.08 | zecke | oops |
| 10:30.20 | zecke | sanity.bbclass |
| 10:30.24 | hrw|work | tx |
| 10:32.51 | pb__ | zecke: I think we use ipkg 0.99.159 in familiar 0.8.4 as well. It seems to be basically okay. |
| 10:33.23 | zecke | pb__: yeah, my arch.conf was... well |
| 10:33.36 | hrw|work | ~lart me for lack of any python/OE conf skills |
| 10:33.54 | pb__ | zecke: ah, that old problem |
| 10:34.30 | zecke | pb__: -isystem is really interesting... |
| 10:34.40 | zecke | pb__: and gcc feels 30 years old |
| 10:37.47 | pb__ | zecke: mm, being 30 years old sounds like no fun |
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| 10:43.24 | _law_ | any ideas why i dont have colors with mc over ssh? local it works |
| 10:43.32 | hrw|work | _law_: wrong TERM |
| 10:43.54 | hrw|work | _law_: TERM=vt100 == b/w mc (force color by mc -c) |
| 10:44.11 | _law_ | hrw|work, set my TERM to xterm |
| 10:44.31 | _law_ | hrw|work, mc -c works |
| 10:46.33 | _law_ | settings alias (int /etc/profile) should also to the job |
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| 10:54.14 | zecke | pb__: remember the gcc issue from ph5? I think I'm bitten by it on gcc3.4.4 |
| 10:54.41 | do13_ | hey Liam |
| 10:55.41 | lrg | Hey Dirk |
| 10:56.04 | Terminar | does anybody know why the current oe.dev doesn't work with MACHINE=x86 and DISTRI=familiar-unstable? glibc-immediate hungs with errors in bits/*, sais unknown byte order or something like that... |
| 10:57.07 | do13_ | lrg: did you received my mail? |
| 10:57.38 | lrg | do13, yes - I'll reply tonight from home. |
| 10:59.25 | hrw|work | hi Liam |
| 10:59.34 | lrg | hey Marcin |
| 10:59.36 | hrw|work | Terminar: I would use DISTRO=generic |
| 10:59.57 | pb__ | zecke: the alignment thing? |
| 11:00.18 | pb__ | Terminar: sounds like your glibc sources are defective |
| 11:00.20 | Terminar | hrw|work: tested this, also doesn't work :( but i can try again now |
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| 11:01.01 | do13_ | Terminar: which glibc version? |
| 11:01.16 | Terminar | it seems that it will build 2.3.2 |
| 11:01.50 | lrg | hrw|work: I'll only be in Poland for about 3 days (2 in Warsaw) - I'm in a tour so I can't really deviate from it and visit Poznan :( |
| 11:02.00 | Terminar | glibc-initial-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r17 |
| 11:02.21 | zecke | pb__: yes |
| 11:02.35 | Terminar | i took the local.conf mentioned in the wiki, MinimalX86 |
| 11:04.13 | pb__ | zecke: sounds bad. can you send me the .i and .s files? |
| 11:04.53 | do13_ | lrg: did you read hrw's mail? april 2007 is a better date :) |
| 11:04.57 | zecke | pb__: I will reflash the device first |
| 11:05.22 | pb__ | righto |
| 11:05.50 | lrg | do13, yes, I'm thinking that. :) |
| 11:06.50 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 11:08.12 | do13_ | lrg: are you visiting germany too? |
| 11:09.01 | lrg | do13: no, the tour is from Warsaw to Vienna and lasts 10 days. |
| 11:09.30 | lrg | do13: I should manage next year :) |
| 11:10.14 | do13_ | hrw|work: Do you live in Posen? |
| 11:10.32 | hrw|work | do13_: yes |
| 11:12.14 | hrw|work | do13_: http://42.pl/u/imx |
| 11:13.38 | do13_ | hrw|work: thx |
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| 11:16.48 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rdaf910b6... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/zaurus-updater.bb: zaurus-updater: deploy to same dir as images |
| 11:16.52 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r472caf8b... 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: sanity.bbclass: taken from .dev, used by OZ 3.5.4.1 config to limit bitbake to 1.4.2+ |
| 11:16.56 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6db371ba... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf: |
| 11:16.56 | CIA-9 | openzaurus 3.5.4.1: bumped to rc4 |
| 11:16.56 | CIA-9 | - use sanity class to specify BitBake 1.4.2 as minimal version |
| 11:16.56 | CIA-9 | - added 3.5.4x source archive into CVS_TARBALL_STASH (oesources is second) |
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| 11:38.07 | _guillermo | how can I subscribe to the oe mailing list? |
| 11:39.04 | pb__ | follow the directions at http://oe.handhelds.org/contact.php |
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| 11:42.29 | hrw|work | ~lart those who add depends/recommends not on top of recipe |
| 11:42.37 | ade|desk | ~lart thumb patch crap |
| 11:45.13 | koen | ade|desk: :) |
| 11:47.30 | ade|desk | uclibc svn is really contaminated with thumb cruft trying to patch stuff in that only arm cares about and doesn't even apply. grr grr and thrice grr |
| 11:53.07 | _guillermo | how difficult is running oe distros inside qemu? is there any docor howto besides the official documentation? |
| 11:53.31 | koen | _guillermo: http://rpsys.net/openzaurus/qemu/ |
| 11:54.17 | koen | ade|desk: did you notice that arm renamed jazelle to thumb2EE? |
| 11:55.49 | ade|desk | koen: nope, but then i'm not doing arm stuff atm so really dont care too much ;) |
| 11:59.35 | koen | Crofton: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/images/maemo-mapper-works.png |
| 12:02.24 | Crofton | thanks |
| 12:03.05 | Crofton | We are going to Italy in July, I'll need to get a bluetootk gps and start preparing map sets :) |
| 12:05.11 | _guillermo | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/src/lib/libXscrnSaver-X11R7.0-1.0.1.tar.bz2 can't be downloaded, nor from oesources |
| 12:05.49 | _guillermo | I feel closer to my first angstrom image but all this fetching errors are making me crazy |
| 12:08.34 | zecke | _guillermo: it is fine that it can't be downloaded from oesources |
| 12:08.42 | zecke | _guillermo: oesources.org is just a service |
| 12:08.46 | zecke | _guillermo: not a mirror |
| 12:08.57 | hrw|work | _guillermo: fix src_uri, send patch |
| 12:09.07 | zecke | hrw|work: no the src_uri is right (for Xorg) |
| 12:09.12 | hrw|work | aha |
| 12:09.35 | zecke | _guillermo: and for the last couple of hours I'm fetching all sourcecode of OE |
| 12:09.50 | zecke | _guillermo: we will have a list of missing sources SOON(TM) |
| 12:11.00 | hrw|work | libXscrnSaver is not in X11R7.0/src/everything even.. |
| 12:11.24 | zecke | ee? |
| 12:12.31 | zecke | anyway |
| 12:12.39 | zecke | I'm wating for bittest to finsih |
| 12:21.37 | _guillermo | zecke: that sounds just great |
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| 12:42.59 | _guillermo | hrw|work: any idea where to get libXscrnSaver ? isn't it weird that it's not in xorg? |
| 12:44.28 | hrw|work | _guillermo: no idea |
| 12:44.43 | hrw|work | RP: mmc_oops_fix-r0 is wrong: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=032ebf2620ef99a4fedaa0f77dc2272095ac5863;hp=18552b8f227bddf569dade5c69798a37839ea913 |
| 12:48.15 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r7dfdfd7f... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.6.10.bb: gtk2: really RRECOMMENDS gdk-pixbux loaders - close #990 |
| 12:48.25 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r034bc4e4... 10/packages/pango/pango_1.8.1.bb: pango: RRECOMMEND pango modules - close #989 |
| 12:49.37 | koen | hrw|work: could you push those into .dev as well? |
| 12:51.09 | hrw|work | koen: can but dont know what pb will tell about them (he is maintainer of it) |
| 12:52.29 | hrw|work | koen: hmm.. .dev has pango 1.8.2 also - do you know which one is used at all? |
| 12:53.11 | koen | angstrom uses the newest |
| 12:54.18 | hrw|work | then add it: +RRECOMMENDS_${PN} = "pango-module-basic-x pango-module-basic-fc" into them |
| 12:56.29 | hrw|work | NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r27: task do_patch: completed |
| 12:57.37 | hrw|work | koen: same with gtk+ - I do not know which ver is used in .dev |
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| 13:08.06 | koen | tnb: guido just got mplayer working on the hx :) |
| 13:08.22 | tnb | hi koen, cool! |
| 13:08.44 | koen | the rfid thing still doesn't work, but at least it can play movies now |
| 13:08.59 | hrw|work | someone know good UML editor for X11? |
| 13:09.41 | zecke | umbrello :} |
| 13:09.54 | koen | 12:48 < pvanhoof> but it's the best of {argouml, gaphor, umbrello, dia, topcased} |
| 13:10.03 | koen | (talking about umbrello) |
| 13:10.13 | hrw|work | k |
| 13:10.19 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r83195d46... 10/packages/pango/ (pango_1.8.2.bb pango_1.9.1.bb): pango: recommend modules needed for basic operation for 1.8.2 and 1.9.1 |
| 13:10.25 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra3de2e31... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.8.9.bb: gtk2 2.8.9: really RRECOMMENDS gdk-pixbux loaders - close #990 |
| 13:10.41 | hrw|work | I have new project to design and have to create new database layout |
| 13:13.43 | zecke | sounds fun :) |
| 13:16.18 | hrw|work | and want to do this not on sheet of paper |
| 13:16.38 | njs | paper is awesome |
| 13:17.36 | zecke | e-paper |
| 13:17.48 | zecke | hrw|work: paper is still the best |
| 13:17.52 | njs | e-paper is not as awesome. |
| 13:17.59 | hrw|work | zecke: yep |
| 13:18.06 | koen | hey njs |
| 13:18.10 | njs | koen: heya |
| 13:18.31 | njs | hrw|work: I'm not sure what exactly you'd like me to do about debian :-) |
| 13:19.20 | njs | hrw|work: you can always just drop http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.25.2-linux-x86.bz2 in your path somewhere... (if you're on x86) |
| 13:19.32 | hrw|work | njs: ignore that lart - I put 0.25x on hold |
| 13:20.03 | njs | ah, works too. |
| 13:20.36 | njs | 0.27 is way late, but I am way busy with school :-( |
| 13:20.49 | zecke | njs: when is it due? |
| 13:21.38 | njs | zecke: 0.26 release date + 1 month |
| 13:21.45 | njs | i.e. a week ago :-) |
| 13:34.17 | tnb | koen: we should be able to help guido with a brooks rfid driver; he says he has a card coming |
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| 13:41.44 | theturtle | is there a kind of "bitbake search" and "bitbake --pretend" please ? i haven't seen any of them in the manual |
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| 13:44.59 | koen | tnb: yeah, he's waiting for it to arrive |
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| 13:49.37 | hrw|work | theturtle: which it has to do? |
| 13:51.57 | zecke | theturtle: what is pretend? |
| 13:52.08 | zecke | theturtle: pretend should be described in the manual |
| 13:52.20 | zecke | theturtle: search is like listing all providers and then using | grep |
| 13:52.39 | njs | $ bitbake --pretend |
| 13:52.39 | njs | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 13:52.54 | mithro | hey zecke |
| 13:55.14 | zecke | --dry-run |
| 13:55.14 | _guillermo | theturtle: coming from gentoo I guess :) |
| 13:56.16 | theturtle | _guillermo : sure ;) |
| 13:56.42 | theturtle | ok thanks guys |
| 13:57.19 | theturtle | i wanted an option such as bitbake --thisoption shows me the dependance tree of things to merge |
| 13:58.09 | zecke | 'merge', no we don't have that |
| 13:58.21 | zecke | the closest is bitbake -vvv -n foo |
| 13:58.51 | theturtle | thanks zecke |
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| 14:01.21 | _guillermo | I find bitbake options a little bit cryptic. It's not a critic but it's deninitely not as intuitive as equery in gentoo |
| 14:01.57 | zecke | _guillermo: what is cryptic? |
| 14:02.11 | zecke | --dry-run -> "don't execute, just go through the motions" |
| 14:02.41 | zecke | I'm all for improving things, but for the options I wouldn't know where to start |
| 14:03.38 | theturtle | i think that taking inspiration from gentoo's emerge and equery should be a good start |
| 14:03.56 | theturtle | it's really intuitive and does (almost) exactly the same as bitbake |
| 14:04.30 | zecke | theturtle: bugs.openembedded.org and file a issue describing which options are not obvious or where the help is misleading |
| 14:04.41 | theturtle | ok :) |
| 14:05.02 | zecke | theturtle: "It is bad, look there it is better" is not helping to improve anything |
| 14:05.05 | hrw|work | theturtle: not everyone here use gentoo so you need to give more details ;) |
| 14:05.17 | zecke | theturtle: "What is bad" is the question that needs to be answered |
| 14:06.30 | theturtle | i'll try to make a sort of "what it should be" if you find it's helpful |
| 14:06.55 | zecke | on a option per option basis... |
| 14:07.07 | zecke | and explain why an explanation of bitbake --help is misleading |
| 14:07.17 | theturtle | it is good work, but like everything it could be better, it's not a critic about your work :) |
| 14:08.02 | zecke | theturtle: I'm an engineer, to change something one needs to have an understanding on what is wrong |
| 14:08.12 | zecke | I don't have it ATM, so input is welcome |
| 14:08.15 | raduga | theturtle: by that token, even theturtle could be better. theturtle could use some improvement. |
| 14:08.48 | theturtle | raduga : it's trivial |
| 14:08.59 | raduga | theturtle is trivial? |
| 14:09.03 | theturtle | zecke : ok, i'll try to make something helpful for you |
| 14:09.18 | theturtle | your sentence is trivial |
| 14:10.17 | Terminar | ./bits/endian.h:13:2: #error Machine byte order unknown. |
| 14:10.28 | Terminar | glibc-initial-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r17 |
| 14:10.53 | Terminar | doesn't work with MACHINE=x86 and DISTRO=generic or DISTRO=familiar-unstable... :( |
| 14:11.11 | pb__ | didn't we talk about that this morning? |
| 14:11.29 | pb__ | your glibc sources are, apparently, still broken |
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| 14:13.18 | theturtle | i don't understand what PREFERRED_PROVIDERS refers to, could someone explain me a bit on which base i have to make a choice ? |
| 14:14.15 | theturtle | (in local.conf) |
| 14:14.26 | hrw|work | theturtle: you want kernel "linux-umbaumba" so you set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-umbaumba" and all stuff which depend on virtual/kernel will depend on linux-umbaumba |
| 14:15.10 | theturtle | ok, thanks |
| 14:15.13 | _guillermo | http://pastebin.com/718721 for people curious about equery |
| 14:15.44 | Terminar | pb__: yes we talked about, you just said i should compile with DISTRO=generic, or did i missed something? |
| 14:15.52 | theturtle | so, PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/libsdl:libsdl-qpe" is wrong if i plan to build for an X11 install ? |
| 14:15.57 | zecke | theturtle: is the manual not obvious? |
| 14:16.08 | Terminar | pb__: how can i fix my glibc-sources? they are just fetched from oe? |
| 14:16.28 | zecke | cya later |
| 14:16.48 | hrw|work | theturtle: yep - set it to libsdl-x11 |
| 14:18.57 | theturtle | ok, thanks hrw|work :) |
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| 14:38.05 | pb__ | hail mickeyl |
| 14:38.19 | pb__ | Terminar: you probably need to find a tarball with an intact checkout, or adjust the CVSDATE to a newer one |
| 14:38.42 | mickeyl | hey pb_ |
| 14:39.35 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 14:40.34 | Terminar | pb__: is this maybe done in some local.conf lying aroung the wiki? i am new to the oe+bitbake stuff |
| 14:41.30 | pb__ | no; I think you'll probably have to edit the .bb file. |
| 14:41.51 | pb__ | or, if you can find a tarball, just drop it into your DL_DIR and touch the .md5 file. |
| 14:46.06 | Terminar | isn't there just a glibc version in the tree which seems to work? can i select some? there are others, not only the 2.3.2 |
| 14:49.01 | pb__ | there are plenty of other glibc versions that work, but maybe not any glibc-intermediates. |
| 14:52.58 | Terminar | ah, means that the glibc-intermiate-2.3.2+cvs just uses cvs every time, the latest cvs version? which is maybe broken? |
| 14:54.37 | pb__ | no, it uses an old (fixed) date for the checkout. unfortunately, because the glibc cvs repository was rearranged a few months ago, checkouts from dates before that point are broken. |
| 14:55.21 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9a869de7... 10/packages/libsdl/ (libsdl-qpe_1.2.7.bb libsdl-x11_1.2.7.bb): libsdl-qpe|x11 1.2.7 fix make it build (also) against qte-mt |
| 14:55.26 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r701e498c... 10/packages/pipepanic/pipepanic_0.1.1.bb: add pipepanic, a neat SDL pipe game |
| 14:55.30 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ra2b205e7... 10/packages/meta/task-qpe.bb: task-qpe: add pipepanic to qpe-games |
| 14:56.38 | hrw|work | thx mickeyl - will add it to .oz354x |
| 14:56.44 | mickeyl | hrw|work: cool :) |
| 14:57.26 | Terminar | pb__: hm, k |
| 15:00.24 | koen | mickeyl: how about adding a recipe for libsdl-qpe 1.2.9? |
| 15:00.42 | koen | mickeyl: uqm 0.5.0 requires >=12. |
| 15:00.53 | koen | 1.2.8, but I can't add it without breaking shlibs for the qpe one... |
| 15:01.21 | hrw|work | mickeyl: NOTE: package pipepanic-0.1.1-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 15:01.24 | mickeyl | koen: no way. |
| 15:01.49 | mickeyl | koen: it took me a whole week to catch up with libsdl 1.2.7. i have no time to redo all the complicated patches again :/ |
| 15:02.00 | koen | that's what I thought |
| 15:03.06 | hrw|work | guys: did you tried libxine 1.1 at all? |
| 15:04.12 | mickeyl | koen: we can add 129 but it will be x11 only |
| 15:04.19 | mickeyl | koen: i don't see any sense to do that much of work for qte |
| 15:07.32 | hrw|work | gcc34.patch does not apply to 1.2.9 |
| 15:08.01 | hrw|work | Patch kill-stdc++.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 15:08.04 | mickeyl | perhaps it's not necessary anymore? |
| 15:08.14 | hrw|work | ipaq one |
| 15:08.25 | hrw|work | but ipaq one only on Makefile.am |
| 15:08.39 | hrw|work | akita one does not |
| 15:08.54 | hrw|work | and fixlibs one |
| 15:09.03 | hrw|work | 17:08 hrw@work:SDL-1.2.9$ quilt applied |
| 15:09.03 | hrw|work | agawa-piro-mickey.patch |
| 15:09.03 | hrw|work | pygame.patch |
| 15:09.03 | hrw|work | mouse.patch |
| 15:09.14 | mickeyl | hmm, not bad |
| 15:09.24 | hrw|work | most important ones apply |
| 15:09.55 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 15:09.58 | mickeyl | http://www.inf.ufsc.br/~alebm/ezx/ |
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| 15:10.06 | mickeyl | ~lart people not caring about upstream or even us |
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| 15:10.36 | CosmicPenguin | kamehameha? |
| 15:10.57 | Zero_Chaos | CosmicPenguin: dragon ball Z reference |
| 15:11.05 | CosmicPenguin | I see |
| 15:11.09 | CosmicPenguin | I assume thats bad, then? |
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| 15:16.22 | hrw|work | CosmicPenguin: Kamehameha, also known as Kamehameha I and Kamehameha the Great (circa 1758 ? 1819), unified the Hawaiian Islands in battle and formally established the Kingdom of Hawai?i in 1810. |
| 15:16.26 | hrw|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I |
| 15:17.16 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8c325329... 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-x11_1.2.9.bb: (log message trimmed) |
| 15:17.16 | CIA-9 | libsdl-x11: add 1.2.9 |
| 15:17.16 | CIA-9 | 17:00 < koen> mickeyl: how about adding a recipe for libsdl-qpe 1.2.9? |
| 15:17.17 | CIA-9 | 17:00 < koen> mickeyl: uqm 0.5.0 requires >= 1.2.8, but I can't add it without breaking shlibs for the qpe one... |
| 15:17.17 | CIA-9 | 17:01 < mickeyl> koen: no way. |
| 15:17.17 | CIA-9 | 17:01 < mickeyl> koen: it took me a whole week to catch up with libsdl 1.2.7. i have no time to |
| 15:17.21 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.24 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r599c09d6... 10/packages/uqm/uqm_0.5.0.bb: uqm: update to 0.5.0 |
| 15:17.49 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:17.52 | mickeyl | cu hrw |
| 15:18.48 | koen | mickeyl: did yo get your phone yet? |
| 15:19.00 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5362008c... 10/packages/pipepanic/pipepanic_0.1.1.bb: pipepanic: added 0.1.1 |
| 15:19.07 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8419d0bd... 10/packages/gxine/gxine_0.4.1enhanced.bb: gxine: disable lirc |
| 15:19.11 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r9083ffaa... 10/packages/zkbdd/zkbdd_0.2.bb: zkbdd: added 0.2 |
| 15:23.33 | mickeyl | my replacement TOMTOM is underway |
| 15:23.47 | mickeyl | as well |
| 15:23.50 | koen | mickeyl: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/images/maemo-mapper-works.png |
| 15:24.39 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:24.41 | mickeyl | that looks cool |
| 15:24.58 | mickeyl | if only maemo would be a bit more resizable... |
| 15:25.49 | mickeyl | btw., what was the reason to put the OE documentation into a dedicated branch? |
| 15:26.01 | zecke | mickeyl: it is long-living |
| 15:26.06 | koen | access control? |
| 15:26.10 | zecke | mickeyl: longer than .dev or .oz354 |
| 15:26.28 | mickeyl | i se |
| 15:26.29 | mickeyl | e |
| 15:26.50 | zecke | that was my reasoning |
| 15:27.46 | Genesis | i've build libmatchbox & matchbox for gentoo , and i would lauch it on x86 / xorg , how to do ? |
| 15:28.16 | koen | mickeyl: you can put your book in that branch as well :) |
| 15:28.39 | Genesis | any matchboxers around ? |
| 15:29.09 | koen | maybe #matchbox? |
| 15:29.51 | mickeyl | koen: we'll see ;) |
| 15:29.55 | mickeyl | i have to clear that with the publisher |
| 15:31.00 | zecke | mickeyl: you have talked to a publisher already? |
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| 15:31.19 | zecke | mickeyl: I think you have to join the KDAB mafia |
| 15:31.45 | mickeyl | zecke: no. as you can probably imagine i have other tasks to do before I have a clear mind to actually think about the OE book :) |
| 15:32.18 | mickeyl | zecke: heh. why that? :) |
| 15:32.22 | mickeyl | (kdab) |
| 15:32.42 | zecke | mickeyl: I think you can now do Linux stuff without clearance from KDAB :} |
| 15:35.42 | mickeyl | excellent |
| 15:35.49 | mickeyl | i didn't plan to consult them |
| 15:39.01 | zecke | now/not... |
| 15:39.09 | zecke | isn't he working on a embedded linux book? |
| 15:41.06 | Genesis | koen, : there is no support for matchbox :/ |
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| 15:41.19 | mickeyl | zecke: zautrix? |
| 15:41.25 | Genesis | perharps on GPE :) |
| 15:43.26 | zecke | mickeyl: his boss |
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| 15:47.01 | mickeyl | zecke: hmm... i think the market is big enough for two embedded linux books. especially, when one is concentrating on build systems and GUI environments. |
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| 16:10.18 | Genesis | a+ |
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| 16:22.54 | KenJlime | hey |
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| 16:41.46 | KenJlime | err, forgot the bitbake syntax for world (where it continues even if a packet fails) |
| 16:41.49 | KenJlime | bitbake -r world? |
| 16:42.15 | mickeyl | how about bitbake -h? |
| 16:42.17 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:42.45 | KenJlime | :P |
| 16:42.48 | mickeyl | since we all are KDE fans, it's -k for -KONTINUE |
| 16:42.49 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:42.53 | KenJlime | haha |
| 16:43.03 | KenJlime | thx man |
| 16:43.06 | mickeyl | p |
| 16:43.06 | KenJlime | feeling abit slow today |
| 16:43.06 | mickeyl | np |
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| 17:00.57 | zecke | re |
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| 17:02.05 | koen | zecke: wb |
| 17:04.01 | zecke | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/missing_sources.20060515 |
| 17:04.13 | zecke | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/missing_sources.20060515 <- might find someone to fix the matchbox bits |
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| 17:06.57 | koen | zecke: could you filter out the ones that passed the test? |
| 17:09.43 | zecke | I search for False |
| 17:09.52 | zecke | there is plenty to change in bittest |
| 17:09.58 | koen | like http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/missed |
| 17:11.07 | zecke | koen: can't you sort it by URL ;) |
| 17:11.10 | koen | heh |
| 17:11.11 | koen | Test Comment:MD5 Error ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qt/source/qt-embedded-2.3.10 |
| 17:11.22 | koen | did the nasty trolls mess with the source? |
| 17:11.32 | zecke | koen: no |
| 17:11.37 | zecke | koen: I messed with it :} |
| 17:12.14 | koen | zecke: it looks like your sf mirror is broken |
| 17:13.13 | koen | zecke: 252 lines are about belnet |
| 17:13.17 | zecke | yes |
| 17:13.25 | zecke | koen: what is the best one for ewi? |
| 17:13.32 | zecke | and GIT_DIR is missing as well |
| 17:13.36 | koen | heanet is pretty fast |
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| 17:29.27 | zecke | RP: could we make the git parser more sexy? |
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| 18:15.33 | reenoo | evening |
| 18:16.52 | zecke | reenoo: |
| 18:17.53 | reenoo | hey zecke |
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| 18:21.05 | zecke | anyone played with Xephyr? |
| 18:21.13 | zecke | how can I make it have a different keymap? |
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| 18:36.05 | cbrake | I am working on a project using OE where I will want to push only selected changes into the main OE repo. |
| 18:36.20 | cbrake | is patch file the best way to do this, or is there some monotone way? |
| 18:38.02 | cbrake | seems propagate will push everything. This is mainly an academic excercise, but I'm just curious how others are doing this? |
| 18:39.00 | zecke | cbrake: patches :( |
| 18:39.30 | cbrake | zecke: ok, that works |
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| 18:40.24 | sws | hi, i would appreciate your help very much, i need a nand backup image for my pxa255 driven poodle, please could someone be so kind to do a nand backup and send it pm or upload somewhere? |
| 18:41.10 | zecke | sws: do you get me a poodle ;) |
| 18:41.17 | woglinde | nand image of what? |
| 18:41.32 | cbrake | zecke: I was thinking of setting up a second database, but you probably can't/shouldn't commit a changeset to a database you did not checkout/update from. |
| 18:41.46 | woglinde | angstroem, microsuse, lfs? |
| 18:42.14 | zecke | cbrake: you can, if your run netsync on one of the databases |
| 18:42.22 | zecke | cbrake: but the epochs should match :} |
| 18:42.27 | sws | zecke: :) |
| 18:42.30 | zecke | woglinde: SuSE can't evens etup mailmain |
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| 18:43.12 | woglinde | hi andersee |
| 18:46.14 | zecke | cbrake: BTW do you know BB Collections |
| 18:48.16 | cbrake | zecke: ?? |
| 18:49.02 | zecke | cbrake: what worked good for me is a directory layout like this |
| 18:49.12 | zecke | cbrake: openembedded, openembedded.modified and isv |
| 18:49.36 | zecke | cbrake: in isv you will place all packages that are only for you |
| 18:49.52 | zecke | cbrake: and everytime you need to 'fork' an OpenEmbedded thing copy it to openembedded.modified |
| 18:50.03 | zecke | cbrake: using BB Collections you can continue to issue bitbake foo |
| 18:50.09 | zecke | cbrake: and the right file will be used |
| 18:51.34 | zecke | woglinde: one good thing about looking that ugly (me), one can easily get a X or gcc hacker |
| 18:52.12 | zecke | woglinde: I think I have a topic for my Diploma Thesis |
| 18:52.20 | woglinde | zecke hm so what is better gcc-hacker or Xorg hacker |
| 18:52.39 | zecke | woglinde: adding profile based functional static analysis to gcc |
| 18:52.50 | zecke | woglinde: writing static analysis profiles in prolog or haskell :} |
| 18:52.57 | cbrake | zecke: ahh, very nice. So this would allow you to easily keep isv and openembedded.modified in a separate SCM |
| 18:53.02 | woglinde | zecke I thought you will do some technical stuff |
| 18:53.11 | woglinde | not software engeenirng |
| 18:53.27 | zecke | woglinde: not as thesis, I have promised Dr. Prechelt to visit him |
| 18:53.44 | likewise | cbrake: good point, take crossed my mind as well following this. So the BB path would have openembedded.modified / isv first? |
| 18:54.03 | zecke | cbrake: yes, and one can more easily upgrade :} |
| 18:54.11 | zecke | likewise: you can define priorities |
| 18:54.35 | zecke | http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ch04s02.html#id2522780 |
| 18:55.37 | cbrake | zecke: very good -- thx for the ideas. |
| 18:56.04 | cbrake | ~hail bb |
| 18:56.06 | ibot | ACTION bows down to bb and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 18:57.08 | zecke | france: hey :) |
| 18:57.17 | zecke | france: wb, I don't want to pester you but... |
| 18:57.29 | france | zecke: hi |
| 18:57.36 | france | zecke: pester away. :-D |
| 18:57.41 | raduga | france: hi! |
| 18:57.51 | zecke | france: I hope you survived Los Angeles |
| 18:58.10 | zecke | france: could you consider adding koen to proj_oe please |
| 18:58.23 | zecke | france: and proj_linux as note all websites are in the wiki (AFAIK) |
| 18:58.39 | france | zecke: I did! I am getting too old for 18 to 20 hour days.... |
| 18:59.03 | reenoo | hey france |
| 18:59.08 | france | reenoo: hello! |
| 18:59.38 | zecke | france: and reactivate his account |
| 19:04.20 | zecke | pb_: ping |
| 19:04.43 | pb___ | I'm Phil respect my authority |
| 19:04.51 | pb_____ | identity crisis |
| 19:04.52 | france | lol |
| 19:04.54 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:05.00 | pb___ | I fully agree with what zecke said... |
| 19:05.04 | pb_____ | me too |
| 19:05.07 | zecke | I knew it |
| 19:09.15 | zecke | mickeyl: my cousin started programming with sockets in python |
| 19:09.36 | france | zecke: sent e-mail to get verification on adding him to the project. |
| 19:10.10 | mickeyl | anyone know the -march + -mtune settings for arm922 offhand? |
| 19:10.35 | zecke | mickeyl: for which gcc version? |
| 19:11.36 | mickeyl | 3 and 4 |
| 19:11.51 | zecke | minor numbers? |
| 19:11.55 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:11.58 | mickeyl | what we have in OE ) |
| 19:11.59 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:12.02 | mickeyl | 4.0.2 |
| 19:12.04 | mickeyl | 3.4.4 |
| 19:12.11 | zecke | mickeyl: I don't know it off hand, but it changed between minor numbers |
| 19:12.15 | mickeyl | oh |
| 19:12.16 | mickeyl | k |
| 19:19.26 | zecke | wtf |
| 19:22.27 | koen | mickeyl: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/ARM-Options.html and http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.2/gcc/ARM-Options.html |
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| 19:23.09 | mickeyl | ah cool |
| 19:23.11 | mickeyl | thanks koen |
| 19:23.23 | mickeyl | ibot: gcc-arm-options is http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/ARM-Options.html and http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.2/gcc/ARM-Options.html |
| 19:23.24 | ibot | okay, mickeyl |
| 19:25.18 | koen | mickeyl: as you might see, 3.4.4 doesn't know about arm922t |
| 19:25.44 | mickeyl | yeah. bummer |
| 19:25.45 | mickeyl | no optimization |
| 19:26.03 | koen | I suspect you can use arm920t |
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| 19:26.08 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:26.12 | mickeyl | i will try with that first |
| 19:26.25 | koen | for which machine is that? |
| 19:26.31 | koen | I thought the moto was pxa270 |
| 19:26.33 | mickeyl | KS8695P |
| 19:26.44 | mickeyl | my supplier called today |
| 19:26.54 | tnb | koen: do you have an ipk for the mplayer for the 4700? |
| 19:26.57 | mickeyl | they have problems |
| 19:27.06 | mickeyl | MOTO no longer produces that |
| 19:27.14 | mickeyl | so they try to get it from another supplier |
| 19:27.15 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 19:27.37 | koen | tnb: not at the moment, but it should be in the familiar feeds |
| 19:27.37 | woglinde | mickeyl uh |
| 19:27.57 | mickeyl | the thing i'm playing with is my old PePLink MANGA Triple Plus board (Micrel KS8695 based) |
| 19:28.19 | tnb | koen: ok, thought maybe <i forget who> had to do something special to get it working |
| 19:28.24 | tnb | on the 4700 |
| 19:28.44 | woglinde | tnb is there no xine package? |
| 19:29.07 | koen | tnb: I sent guido a custom mplayer.conf |
| 19:29.30 | koen | tnb: with ac=mad fs=true framedrop=true |
| 19:29.41 | tnb | koen: ah, cool, thanks |
| 19:29.48 | koen | which seems to be fast enough for his purposes |
| 19:30.40 | zecke | ~lart Xephyr |
| 19:31.12 | koen | heh |
| 19:31.13 | koen | "The ARM922T is identical to the ARM920T but has 8K/8K caches while the ARM920T has 16K/16K caches." |
| 19:32.12 | mickeyl | koen: ah cool. thanks |
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| 19:33.25 | koen | with that amount of cache thumb starts to make sense |
| 19:33.25 | koen | and -Os |
| 19:38.44 | mickeyl | ya |
| 19:48.27 | koen | mickeyl: https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/home |
| 19:48.55 | mickeyl | ah. finally that site is up |
| 19:50.08 | Crofton | Who is Martin Guy? |
| 19:51.01 | koen | Crofton: the guy who is paid to make eabi work for debian |
| 19:51.15 | Crofton | ah |
| 19:51.36 | zecke | koen: What is the name of the eabi port? |
| 19:51.45 | koen | zecke: armel iirc |
| 19:52.04 | zecke | and armeb is for big endian? |
| 19:52.31 | zecke | pb_: my cpp hack is working :) |
| 19:52.40 | koen | zecke: for bigendian, old abi |
| 19:52.56 | zecke | koen: that makes sense, i like it |
| 19:53.00 | pb_ | zecke: rock |
| 19:53.00 | koen | :) |
| 19:53.15 | zecke | pb_: I'm scared to enable it by default |
| 19:53.48 | pb_ | zecke: it sounds safe enough to me. I guess you should go for it. |
| 19:54.19 | zecke | pb_: I'm currently using abort() when I see /usr/inc /sw/include or /opt/inc |
| 19:54.31 | zecke | pb_: I'm scared I will break gpe and x ;) |
| 19:54.47 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:55.00 | pb_ | mail me your patch and I'll have a go at building gpe with it |
| 19:55.17 | zecke | pb_: which gcc version are you using? |
| 19:55.26 | pb_ | 3.4.4 I think |
| 19:55.26 | zecke | pb_: I have applied the patch to gcc-3.4.4 and gcc4.x.x |
| 19:55.29 | zecke | ah good |
| 19:57.40 | zecke | hh.org/~zecke/zecke-no-host-includes.patch |
| 19:57.43 | zecke | and it is a hack :} |
| 19:59.06 | pb_ | cool |
| 19:59.14 | pb_ | I'll give it a spin shortly |
| 19:59.27 | zecke | -isystem looks to work as well |
| 19:59.34 | zecke | now I would like to have a -lsystem |
| 20:06.07 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 20:06.21 | mickeyl | nah |
| 20:06.25 | mickeyl | power drain |
| 20:06.28 | mickeyl | not standby time |
| 20:08.16 | mickeyl | 4.3W for the dvd recorder sounds too much :/ |
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| 20:10.44 | KenJlime | hey |
| 20:11.15 | KenJlime | Finally done with the bitbake -k world, :) alot of broken things though, got around of 390MB packages that compiled nicely |
| 20:14.22 | zecke | 390mb? |
| 20:15.08 | KenJlime | yeah |
| 20:15.22 | zecke | that is not much :≠ |
| 20:15.40 | KenJlime | I know, im guessing that are some depends in there that blocks the "upper" packages |
| 20:15.52 | KenJlime | Going to make a big list now on what compiles and what doesnt |
| 20:15.56 | KenJlime | And start from there |
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| 20:19.26 | KenJlime | zecke: whats the best way to see what doesnt compile? do another bitbake -k world and log it into a file, clean out the working "work" folders,..... any suggestions? |
| 20:20.32 | zecke | KenJlime: do you want to learn some more about OE? |
| 20:20.48 | KenJlime | zecke: always |
| 20:21.01 | zecke | KenJlime: you could write a bbclass that install an event handler |
| 20:21.13 | zecke | you then could 'capture' TaskFailed/PkgFailed events |
| 20:21.20 | zecke | and log that to a file |
| 20:21.30 | KenJlime | kewl |
| 20:21.31 | zecke | and automatically copy the 'log' to another place |
| 20:21.45 | zecke | KenJlime: but more easy is letting it run again :) |
| 20:22.41 | KenJlime | yeah, but I really like the idea. It would be easy to compair different archs against each other, number of successfull builds, diffs on what builds and so on |
| 20:23.09 | zecke | can you hack perl? ;) |
| 20:24.00 | KenJlime | im currently truly worthless at perl, but Im always willing to learn |
| 20:24.20 | zecke | same applies here |
| 20:24.30 | zecke | I need to put the tinderbox on steroids |
| 20:24.37 | KenJlime | Gonna look around for some info about this |
| 20:27.06 | zecke | KenJlime: look ad base.bbclass, sanity.bbclass and tinderclient.bbclass |
| 20:27.14 | zecke | they all use add handler to register the handler |
| 20:27.48 | KenJlime | aha oki, thx will do |
| 20:28.41 | andersee | woglinde: howdy (much delayed) |
| 20:34.26 | zecke | gosh wink will go out of memory... again |
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| 21:06.38 | KenJlime | zecke: when doing a bbclass and trying it out, do I need to include inherit <mybbclassfile> to every file? |
| 21:06.46 | KenJlime | or can I make it tag along on some other bbclass? |
| 21:06.47 | zecke | INHERIT += "" |
| 21:06.49 | zecke | in local.conf |
| 21:06.57 | zecke | this will be inherited by all .bb files |
| 21:06.59 | KenJlime | ah thx |
| 21:18.06 | zecke | I hate wink :} |
| 21:20.38 | zecke | pb_: tried the patch? |
| 21:21.26 | pb_ | zecke: trying it now |
| 21:21.32 | pb_ | so far so good |
| 21:23.02 | zecke | hmm |
| 21:23.10 | zecke | should I push the reset button :} |
| 21:26.18 | JustinP | zecke: why's that? |
| 21:27.02 | zecke | JustinP: reiserfs? |
| 21:27.13 | zecke | JustinP: just the regular bashing, I like Hans Reiser though |
| 21:27.38 | zecke | Any S.M.A.R.T guy around? |
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| 21:33.28 | JustinP | +u |
| 21:34.50 | zecke | JustinP: I find it an interesting filesystem |
| 21:35.10 | JoeSchmo | jfs is actualy really fast |
| 21:35.56 | JustinP | reiser has been good to me thus far |
| 21:36.06 | JustinP | never tried XFS or JFS |
| 21:36.19 | JustinP | and I only use ext3 on my Z |
| 21:36.21 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 21:36.35 | JoeSchmo | i use jfs on my sparc, and xfs on my alpha, both treat me well |
| 21:37.28 | woglinde | the boomer is, when you have to repair a reiserfs |
| 21:37.35 | woglinde | or it oopses the kernel |
| 21:37.47 | JustinP | never had an oops |
| 21:37.55 | JustinP | then again, I've never moved on to the newer versions |
| 21:38.05 | JustinP | stuck with the stable one |
| 21:38.13 | reenoo | hehe... reiserfsck is equivalent to "rm -rf" in my experience |
| 21:38.17 | woglinde | yeah *g* i copied the reiserfs partion to ext3 |
| 21:38.26 | JoeSchmo | reiser3 seems fairly stable |
| 21:38.55 | JoeSchmo | i;ve never used it but i know a few people that do, and they never seem to complain |
| 21:38.58 | JustinP | yeah, I've been using reiser3 for some time |
| 21:39.16 | JustinP | and it has always come back up and not needed an fsck after power outages and such |
| 21:40.07 | JoeSchmo | well, if you don't want any problems with power-outages on ext3, don't mount it async |
| 21:40.26 | reenoo | JustinP: yah, the problematic case is when the underlying block device has issues. reiserfs doesn't handle that well or rather tries to work around it and messes up |
| 21:40.33 | JoeSchmo | but then your system slows down quite a bit because a lot of processor time is allocated to writing the disk instead of using idle time |
| 21:41.35 | reenoo | JustinP: in the same case XFS just reports errors, shuts itself down instead of corrupting more data, and provides excellent tools for recovery |
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| 21:44.03 | zecke | JustinP: packages/e17/e-modules_20060128.bb failed fetching, can this be? |
| 21:44.14 | zecke | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.0/src/lib/libXscrnSaver-X11R7.0-1.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 21:44.48 | JustinP | zecke: libXscrnSaver? that doesn't sound like e-modules to me... |
| 21:44.58 | zecke | JustinP: two different errors |
| 21:45.16 | JustinP | I don't think e-utils and e-modules have been compiling lately BTW....haven't tried them in a while |
| 21:46.03 | zecke | koen: XScrnSaver -> XscrnSaver |
| 21:46.11 | zecke | other way around :} |
| 21:46.16 | zecke | f^-1() |
| 21:46.59 | zecke | JustinP: http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/files/etox-0.9.0.004.tar.gz is missing as well |
| 21:50.33 | likewise | any norwegians here? |
| 21:51.07 | zecke | likewise: goxboxlive has .no in his url |
| 21:51.18 | zecke | likewise: and ljp works for a Norwegian company |
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| 21:51.43 | goxboxlive | likewise: I'm norwegian |
| 21:51.58 | zecke | goxboxlive: if you want to, you can feed htc to me |
| 21:52.02 | zecke | goxboxlive: or into the bug tracker |
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| 21:53.23 | goxboxlive | zecke: Yes it's allmost ready, but we have to fix some bugs. The images i make with OE are realy slow compare to the BA one, dont know why, but have to figure it out first . |
| 21:54.03 | likewise | zecke: I am a S.M.A.R.T. guy (smartmontools maintainer) |
| 21:54.29 | woglinde | likewise thats good to know |
| 21:54.38 | zecke | goxboxlive: BA? |
| 21:54.39 | likewise | why? |
| 21:54.59 | zecke | likewise: http://oe.pastebin.com/719553 <- did you ever see such errors? |
| 21:57.01 | goxboxlive | Zecke: Blueangel |
| 21:57.29 | zecke | pb_: still compiling? |
| 21:57.48 | likewise | zecke: good chance you are building bad sectors. run a long self test (takes 70 minutes or so, will not damage any data) smartmontools -t long |
| 21:58.52 | zecke | 72 |
| 21:59.24 | pb_ | zecke: yeah, probably won't have any results until tomorrow |
| 21:59.42 | likewise | zecke: make sure you write down the two LBA numbers! |
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| 22:00.20 | KenJlime | likewise: Im swedish, close enough :) ? |
| 22:00.37 | likewise | too late :-) |
| 22:00.48 | zecke | likewise: for a bad block scan? |
| 22:00.58 | zecke | likewise: I will make sure windows xp gets these blocks :} |
| 22:01.48 | likewise | zecke: before a badblocks scan, I always go see first if the LBA is covered by a file (you need your filesystem tools for this, some fs have better tools than others) |
| 22:03.27 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:04.38 | KenJlime | hey |
| 22:05.17 | johnX | I'm trying to setup OE to build from oz354x and I'm getting a ton of "EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1)" while bitbake is parsing .bb's |
| 22:05.30 | johnX | did I miss something obvious and I should RTFM again? |
| 22:05.53 | CoreDump|home | hmm it might be that your bitbake is too new, better check on #oe |
| 22:05.56 | CoreDump|home | nm |
| 22:05.58 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 22:07.57 | JustinP | johnX: latest 1.4 SVN works fine for me |
| 22:08.02 | johnX | ok |
| 22:08.16 | johnX | I'm using the most up to date since I was working with .dev before |
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| 22:09.07 | zecke | johnX: wrong DISTRO entry? |
| 22:09.10 | reenoo | johnX: is your copy of oz354x up to date? |
| 22:10.20 | reenoo | johnX: you need that base.bbclass hack to work around issues introduced by the RDEPENDS handling in more recent versions of bitbake |
| 22:12.11 | johnX | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4.1" and monotone claims I'm up to date |
| 22:12.33 | johnX | reenoo: Is there some info about that hack somewhere I could read? |
| 22:13.29 | zecke | johnX: weird, I have just downloaded bitbake+OE |
| 22:13.37 | zecke | johnX: and I have not seen these errors |
| 22:13.46 | johnX | maybe I have some issues with my local config |
| 22:14.18 | reenoo | johnX: hmm, ok. must be something else then |
| 22:15.40 | CoreDump|home | FWIW I was seeing the same thing when I tried bb svn w/ .oz354x the last time |
| 22:16.24 | CoreDump|home | (so I downgraded BB to a known-good revision) |
| 22:18.28 | zecke | CoreDump|home: and then OZ was updated ;) |
| 22:18.55 | CoreDump|home | possibly =) I'm still running the ancient version hehe |
| 22:19.58 | CoreDump|home | hmm what was the trick to run gpe in non-deamon mode again? |
| 22:20.03 | CoreDump|home | --no-deamon? |
| 22:20.39 | JustinP | johnX: stable branch, not trunk? |
| 22:20.54 | CoreDump|home | s/gpe/qpe |
| 22:20.56 | zecke | gpe? |
| 22:21.00 | zecke | -no-daemon |
| 22:21.07 | johnX | JustinP: this is what I ran "svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.4 bitbake" |
| 22:21.09 | CoreDump|home | thanks! |
| 22:21.27 | johnX | I also tried 1.4.2 from the bitbake project page |
| 22:21.49 | zecke | johnX: no issue with BitBake, check your config |
| 22:21.53 | johnX | ok |
| 22:21.58 | zecke | johnX: or update your working copy :) |
| 22:22.02 | zecke | it worked here(tm) |
| 22:22.17 | johnX | heh |
| 22:23.19 | zecke | ~lart wink |
| 22:23.20 | CoreDump|home | the damn thing keeps starting in daemon-mode |
| 22:23.21 | zecke | anyway noite |
| 22:23.27 | zecke | -nodaemon |
| 22:23.57 | CoreDump|home | thats it |
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| 22:31.04 | TMM1 | quick off subject regex question - how would one match *.php except test.php |
| 22:35.06 | johnX | hmm...it's only complaing about packages that have have ${CVSDATE} in them |
| 22:36.22 | JustinP | TheMasterMind1: I don't know. But why not just put 1 more clause in your if? |
| 22:36.55 | JustinP | johnX: CVSDATE is no longer supposed to be used...it's supposed to be SRCDATE |
| 22:37.02 | CoreDump|home | that would indeed the easiest way |
| 22:37.15 | JustinP | johnX: you sure you're pulling oz354x? |
| 22:37.26 | johnX | I thought I was |
| 22:37.31 | reenoo | JustinP: that's not true. the branches still use CVSDATE |
| 22:38.19 | JustinP | reenoo: oh....I thought it had been changed |
| 22:38.21 | JustinP | johnX: nm, then |
| 22:39.59 | johnX | I exported CVSDATE in bash before calling bitbake and all the errors disappeared. Should I just set it someplace, or is this indicicative of a config problem on my side? |
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| 22:41.06 | florian | hi all |
| 22:42.28 | JustinP | johnX: are you setting CVSDATE in your local.conf? |
| 22:42.45 | johnX | I'm not setting it in local.conf |
| 22:42.50 | johnX | I didn't know I was supposed to |
| 22:43.08 | CoreDump|home | johnX: it is normally set in DISTRO.conf |
| 22:43.11 | florian | Is there any document describing the variables OE sets for build? e.g. host and target compiler |
| 22:43.41 | CoreDump|home | florian: check work/${PN}/tmp/run.do_compile |
| 22:44.23 | CoreDump|home | johnX: OIAW: check that your DISTRO setting is indeed correct ;) |
| 22:45.08 | johnX | CoreDump|home: ok, that makes sense. It's set in openzaurus-3.5.4.conf but not openzaurus-3.5.4.1 |
| 22:45.12 | JustinP | johnX: you're not necessarily supposed to... |
| 22:45.18 | florian | CoreDump|home: hmm... good idea, thanks |
| 22:45.33 | CoreDump|home | johnX: IIRC 3.5.4 is sourced by 3.5.4.1 |
| 22:45.41 | johnX | hmm |
| 22:47.37 | CoreDump|home | include conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf |
| 22:47.40 | CoreDump|home | yep, it is |
| 22:48.19 | CoreDump|home | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4.1" works fine here |
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| 22:50.17 | JustinP | johnX: what is your DISTRO set to? |
| 22:51.02 | CoreDump|home | maybe your shell env points to another "conf" dir? |
| 22:52.08 | CoreDump|home | zecke: yay! sticky keys work |
| 22:52.51 | johnX | CoreDump|home: you win. :D |
| 22:52.59 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 22:53.09 | johnX | I had a script that I sourced before building and it set BBPATH |
| 22:53.27 | KenJlime | Any python guru in here? |
| 22:53.34 | CoreDump|home | johnX: =) |
| 22:53.58 | johnX | thanks...and now I'll leave it to build some things while I get to class |
| 22:54.17 | johnX | thank you all again for the help. :) |
| 22:55.37 | Crofton | zecke, your sources report choked on omniorb/events |
| 22:55.53 | Crofton | but I am wondering if it isn't a sf mirror issue? |
| 23:01.11 | JustinP | bit off |
| 23:01.13 | JustinP | odd |
| 23:01.14 | JustinP | | install -m 755 -s qemu-img "/home/papercrane/oe/oz354.build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin" |
| 23:01.17 | JustinP | | install: cannot run strip: Permission denied |
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| 23:54.14 | likewise | goodnite all, europe is going to sleep (well, I am...) |
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