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| 07:01.52 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:02.40 | Necronom | 'tis |
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| 07:04.00 | Necronom | I should also submit a patch for monotone-0.26 metadata. |
| 07:04.18 | Necronom | On that note, I'm going to bed. :) |
| 07:06.00 | mithro | hey people? |
| 07:06.02 | mithro | sup? |
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| 07:10.36 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1f12dbd1... 10/packages/strace/ (strace-4.5.14/sh-arch-update.patch strace_4.5.14.bb): Strace: add patch from #978, closes #978 |
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| 07:12.40 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 07:13.12 | hobbs | thanks |
| 07:16.22 | hobbs | working on something. I might or might not have an actual question in the near future ;) |
| 07:17.08 | hobbs | trying to see if I can manage to bring the "sound-2.4.18r2.patch" for collie back into working condition |
| 07:17.43 | hobbs | but I'm a couple notches short of kernel hacker, and even further from mindreader, so I was wondering if anyone was familiar with it |
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| 07:19.15 | hobbs | but I just spun another build, and it might miraculously work, and in that case I suppose I don't need help ;) |
| 07:22.48 | koen | zecke: moin |
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| 07:24.04 | hobbs | okay, no love there :) |
| 07:24.23 | hobbs | any volunteers to explain the mysteries of the TC35143 and its many drivers? |
| 07:24.57 | zecke | explain tc to me :) |
| 07:25.00 | zecke | koen: hi |
| 07:25.54 | mithro | zecke: linux tc as in /sbin/tc? |
| 07:26.34 | zecke | mithro: /sbin/tc35143? |
| 07:26.42 | mithro | nope |
| 07:27.03 | mithro | man tc; tc - show / manipulate traffic control settings |
| 07:42.33 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:43.26 | koen | Dzień dobry. |
| 07:43.45 | koen | ~stab irssi |
| 07:43.47 | ibot | ACTION runs at irssi with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 07:44.31 | hrw|work | dzieñ dobry koen |
| 07:44.46 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1ad17d00... 10/packages/glibc/ (glibc-2.4/arm-longlong.patch glibc_2.4.bb): glibc 2.4: adjust arm-long-long.patch, fix by 'likewise' on #oe |
| 07:44.57 | hrw|work | looking into backlog... |
| 07:52.14 | hrw|work | done |
| 07:52.51 | zecke | time to patch cpp |
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| 08:01.21 | zecke | lol sf.net improves their cvs service :} |
| 08:05.56 | hrw|work | yes - finally |
| 08:06.10 | hobbs | and adds svn -- also finally |
| 08:06.20 | hrw|work | svn was added in December iirc |
| 08:06.35 | hobbs | okay, haven't been keeping up ;) |
| 08:06.46 | zecke | koen: I'm switching to darwinports now |
| 08:07.01 | koen | do the zaurus portrait models have a way of telling wether the keyboard is closed or not? |
| 08:07.07 | koen | zecke: ah, never got those to work |
| 08:07.33 | zecke | koen: I have messed up my fink :} |
| 08:08.14 | koen | zecke: it's not hard to do that |
| 08:08.34 | zecke | koen: I thought uopgrading to 10.4 was smart :} |
| 08:08.37 | koen | zecke: why not use OE ;) |
| 08:08.45 | zecke | koen: my flex comes from OE |
| 08:09.14 | hrw|work | 2.6.17-rc4 released |
| 08:09.28 | hrw|work | koen: iirc not |
| 08:10.19 | hrw|work | hmm.. rc4 contain MMC patches from my tests ;) |
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| 08:24.06 | XorA | morning |
| 08:24.19 | koen | hey XorA |
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| 08:32.24 | XorA | ~lart people who are too lazy to support our student coder |
| 08:34.00 | zecke | students suck anyway ;) |
| 08:34.04 | koen | yeah |
| 08:34.08 | koen | lazy bastards |
| 08:34.27 | zecke | waste their time with out stuff, unfocused, disorganized... |
| 08:34.46 | koen | drinking beer all day |
| 08:34.47 | zecke | and always screaming, give me an iMac as desktop, iMac |
| 08:36.54 | koen | zecke: I'm curious how those new 13" ibooks will look |
| 08:38.25 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: still no answer on qtopia-interest |
| 08:38.42 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: I'm considering blogging in a openletter |
| 08:38.49 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: or mailing Mr. No(o)rd |
| 08:39.37 | zecke | koen: I think I will get me a ipod nano |
| 08:39.40 | XorA | zecke: this guy has really impressed me with his skills and work ethic, I just with the software engineering dept would actually support the poor guy, rather than just telling him to put stuff in VSS actually explain about SCM, the chances are he has never used one before ever |
| 08:40.08 | XorA | now they moan he put too much in the SCM, and expect me to fix it magically |
| 08:40.38 | zecke | XorA: well, koen and me are students as well |
| 08:40.47 | zecke | XorA: VSS = Visual Source Safe? |
| 08:40.54 | XorA | zecke: yeah :-( |
| 08:41.20 | XorA | zecke: the java coders here are now loving SVN, the embedded coders are lazy bastards and stick weith VSS |
| 08:42.42 | koen | ah, the joys of vss |
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| 08:43.09 | XorA | luckilly I have support in removing VSS completely as they want CC4/5 for here |
| 08:43.10 | koen | My final assignment for my minor revolved around a vss 'feature' |
| 08:44.14 | XorA | koen: which "feature"? |
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| 08:47.41 | koen | XorA: that they couldn't checkout a certain rev to test a bugfix |
| 08:49.03 | hrw|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19301&st=80&p=126697&#entry126697 |
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| 09:01.57 | Terminar | hi |
| 09:02.20 | koen | hey Terminar |
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| 09:02.46 | Ifaistos | greetings ! |
| 09:03.00 | hrw|work | hi Terminar Ifaistos |
| 09:03.23 | Terminar | i am interested in the oe x86 compile... i did everything mentioned in GettingStarted, followed the instructions of MinimalX86 but it seems that the task-bootstrap will fail on glibc |
| 09:04.09 | Terminar | several times... first time on glibc-intitial which i "fixed" with a munge where bits/ is removed, but then later on glibc-intermediate it will fail applying patches |
| 09:04.14 | koen | hey Ifaistos |
| 09:05.47 | zecke | need to go to the office |
| 09:05.48 | zecke | cya |
| 09:09.11 | Terminar | anybody an idea? |
| 09:09.14 | Ifaistos | hrw|work koen hi ! |
| 09:09.37 | Ifaistos | Terminar : What is your local.conf file ? |
| 09:09.53 | Terminar | Ifaistos: as mentioned in MinimalX86 |
| 09:10.03 | Terminar | but not with MACHINE="epia" but MACHINE="x86" |
| 09:10.13 | Ifaistos | Terminar : It should work then. I have wrote that :) |
| 09:10.22 | Terminar | and without the mask in BBMASK |
| 09:11.37 | Ifaistos | Terminar : post the errors. maybe i can figure out why |
| 09:12.35 | Terminar | Ifaistos: ok, thanks... i'll start a clean build from scratch, wasn't much done yet |
| 09:18.26 | Ifaistos | hrw|work : Manage to get anything done on the ppc board ? |
| 09:19.09 | hrw|work | Ifaistos: I do not have ppc board |
| 09:19.37 | hrw|work | Ifaistos: last ppc machine which I used was Pegasos1 at friend house |
| 09:36.14 | RP | morning all |
| 09:36.19 | hrw|work | hi RP |
| 09:36.39 | hrw|work | RP: c3x00 use green led as nand flash led? |
| 09:36.54 | RP | hrw|work: yes |
| 09:38.09 | hrw|work | RP: it is enabled at kernel level? if yes then can it be changed in other way then 'echo in initscript'? kind of is_machine_spitz()? |
| 09:38.43 | RP | hrw|work: You'd just change the default trigger in the spitz led driver... |
| 09:39.12 | hrw|work | RP: can you do it? 3x00 use uDrive more then flash... |
| 09:39.54 | RP | hrw|work: Surely we want the udrive connected to that LED? |
| 09:40.36 | hrw|work | RP: looking at pdaX/2.6 posts it is something which users will request sooner or later |
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| 09:45.07 | hrw|work | https://www2.t2-project.org/about/t2 - someone heard about them? |
| 09:46.06 | RP | hrw|work: Since the green LED is marked as HDD on c3x00, I'm happy the current default is correct. Its especially valid as we use the microdrive as the rootfs. |
| 09:46.41 | RP | hrw|work: Since you can easily change it with a single cat command, I honestly don't see why the kernel would need to change... |
| 09:47.29 | koen | hrw|work: yes |
| 09:47.42 | koen | hrw|work: a while ago they had a booth next to the gpe people |
| 09:48.01 | hrw|work | koen: in next saturday one of their devels will talk about it in my city - I want to check what to ask |
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| 10:08.12 | Terminar | Ifaistos: http://terminar.pastebin.com/713258 |
| 10:09.39 | Terminar | Ifaistos: local.conf: http://terminar.pastebin.com/713261 |
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| 10:20.52 | hrw|work | someone tried pxa27x cpufreq? |
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| 11:18.50 | KenJlime | morning |
| 11:19.01 | hrw|work | hi ken |
| 11:21.09 | hrw|work | XorA: is there a way to check FPS in mplayer? |
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| 11:23.45 | XorA | hrw|work: cant remember |
| 11:24.10 | XorA | hrw|work: but if its not dropping frames its running at the movies FPS |
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| 11:57.18 | Cockroach- | good day |
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| 11:59.44 | zecke | hi |
| 12:00.49 | hrw|work | wb zecke |
| 12:00.51 | hrw|work | hi Cockroach- |
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| 12:13.40 | do13_ | Hi all |
| 12:13.44 | hrw|work | hi dirk |
| 12:13.53 | do13_ | hey marcin |
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| 12:37.00 | hrw|work | koen: your 'ipaq-pxa270' is hx4700 with 2.6.16-hh? |
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| 12:56.05 | koen | hrw|work: yes |
| 12:56.35 | hrw|work | thx |
| 12:56.49 | koen | hrw|work: or hx2xxx is you set linux-oz as kernel |
| 12:56.50 | hrw|work | koen: did you had a chance of testing my changeset? |
| 12:56.57 | koen | not yet |
| 12:57.06 | koen | I'm at my parents now for the weekend |
| 12:57.52 | hrw|work | no problem |
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| 13:07.47 | hrw|work | koen: card is 'asus wl-110' - right? |
| 13:08.08 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 13:08.12 | hrw|work | hi woglinde |
| 13:08.31 | woglinde | hm what to do to enable glibc 2.4? |
| 13:08.57 | woglinde | PREFFERED_VERSION_glinc = "2.4" didnt work |
| 13:09.43 | hrw|work | glinc? |
| 13:09.47 | woglinde | glibc |
| 13:09.50 | woglinde | typo |
| 13:09.52 | woglinde | her eon irc |
| 13:11.58 | woglinde | hm next try with the entry from angstroem conf |
| 13:12.06 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 13:12.07 | woglinde | jo mickeyl |
| 13:12.13 | lardman|work | hey mickeyl |
| 13:12.18 | hrw|work | mickeyl: which prism2 cards you have? |
| 13:12.24 | lardman|work | mickeyl: do you still have a binary sdk for opie somewhere? |
| 13:12.44 | mickeyl | hi guys |
| 13:13.07 | mickeyl | hrw|work: SanDisk 0MB OEM, SanDisk 128MB ConnectPlus |
| 13:13.34 | mickeyl | lardman|work: you mean something like what I did for 3.5.3? A copy of a staging area? |
| 13:14.15 | lardman|work | mickeyl: Yes, that kind of thing. I think it would be worthwhile to get more people using opie/gpe without needing to learn about oe |
| 13:14.31 | lardman|work | mickeyl: people keep asking for toolchains |
| 13:14.48 | woglinde | hrms |
| 13:14.49 | woglinde | NOTE: preferred version 2.4 of glibc not available |
| 13:16.28 | mickeyl | lardman|work: *nod* i can imagine. for opie it's tough to do anything else than the staging are bundle, because all our -dev packages suck |
| 13:16.55 | lardman|work | mickeyl: so hrw told me |
| 13:17.32 | mickeyl | lardman|work: i no longer have anything 3.5.4 here, but hrw could easily tar up his staging area. hrw? |
| 13:18.05 | woglinde | mickeyl whats the diffrent btw. glibc and glibc-intermediate |
| 13:18.21 | hrw|work | I can |
| 13:18.23 | mickeyl | woglinde: glibc is the real thing, glibc-intermediate is necessary for toolchain generation |
| 13:18.26 | hrw|work | but after 3.5.4.1 |
| 13:18.29 | mickeyl | hrw|work: cool. thanks. of course |
| 13:18.36 | mickeyl | hrw|work: ETA for .1? |
| 13:18.40 | lardman|work | hrw|work: No rush, just something that would be useful |
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| 13:19.50 | KenJlime | hey all |
| 13:19.58 | hrw|work | mickeyl: if find time during weekend then next week |
| 13:20.24 | mickeyl | k. is there something you want me to test ? |
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| 13:22.32 | hrw|work | mickeyl: 3.5.4.1-rc2 |
| 13:22.53 | mickeyl | which model in particular? |
| 13:23.13 | mickeyl | (i can offer c7x0,tosa,spitz,collie) |
| 13:23.17 | hrw|work | cxx00 preferred |
| 13:23.21 | hrw|work | mickeyl: so spitz |
| 13:23.25 | mickeyl | k |
| 13:25.34 | webmind | can anyone tell me if OE works for x86 targets? like a normal pc ? |
| 13:26.02 | mickeyl | webmind: in theory yes. MACHINE = epia is an example. in practice, it's not actively maintained atm. |
| 13:26.20 | webmind | hmm |
| 13:27.04 | mickeyl | sounds like you're our man ! :D |
| 13:27.10 | Genesis | where can i post bug for matchbox ? |
| 13:27.17 | Genesis | is there a forum somewhere ? a list ? |
| 13:27.25 | webmind | mickeyl, what's the maintanance work for it ? |
| 13:27.52 | mickeyl | webmind: no idea, to be honest. checking if stuff like opie-image or gpe-image still compiles for a start |
| 13:28.10 | webmind | k |
| 13:28.17 | webmind | might look into that then |
| 13:28.37 | Ifaistos | it compiles but it does not run :/ |
| 13:28.49 | webmind | ow :( |
| 13:28.51 | Ifaistos | the x86-kernel is in need of...repairs |
| 13:29.02 | webmind | only the kernel ? |
| 13:29.07 | woglinde | hi ifaistos |
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| 13:30.06 | webmind | OE seems like a good alternative for low performance setups |
| 13:30.23 | Ifaistos | basicaly the kernel but also other stuff need fixing. Udev was not working for example |
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| 13:30.39 | Ifaistos | woglinde : Hi ! |
| 13:30.41 | webmind | hmk |
| 13:30.53 | Ifaistos | webmind : It is :) |
| 13:31.40 | katossi | I'm trying to compile angstrom but osb-jscore can't be downloaded because "/home/juarez/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory" |
| 13:31.45 | katossi | any tip? |
| 13:32.41 | woglinde | hm try touch $HOME/juarez/.cvspass |
| 13:34.10 | KenJlime | mickeyl: you did the libqpe-opie.bb file right? |
| 13:35.48 | KenJlime | Anyone with commit rights that can do a quick fix? |
| 13:36.06 | hrw|work | katossi: touch it |
| 13:36.39 | mickeyl | KenJlime: yes, libqpe-opie is mine |
| 13:36.47 | KenJlime | mickeyl: it lacks depend for qte |
| 13:37.11 | KenJlime | see #982 |
| 13:37.22 | mickeyl | libqpe-opie.inc:DEPENDS = "uicmoc-native virtual/libqte2" |
| 13:37.25 | mickeyl | looks ok to me |
| 13:37.40 | KenJlime | It doesnt work for me, check the buildlog |
| 13:37.52 | KenJlime | when installing qte before libqpe it works |
| 13:39.16 | mickeyl | sounds like you need to set |
| 13:39.34 | mickeyl | QTE_VERSION |
| 13:39.45 | mickeyl | PALMTOP_USE_MULTITHREADED_QT |
| 13:39.54 | mickeyl | the former being a version, the latter being yes or no |
| 13:40.00 | mickeyl | then rebuild from scratch |
| 13:40.13 | KenJlime | Using familiar_unstable as distro setting currently |
| 13:40.26 | mickeyl | familiar-unstable looks unmaintained in .dev |
| 13:40.58 | KenJlime | oki, but its a distro bug, not a package bug? |
| 13:41.04 | katossi | hrw|work: I have no such .cvspass |
| 13:41.20 | hrw|work | katossi: touch will create it |
| 13:41.30 | woglinde | katossi hm I was wrong |
| 13:41.33 | KenJlime | mickeyl: that case ill just drop the bug |
| 13:41.40 | woglinde | try touch $HOME/.cvspass |
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| 13:42.18 | mickeyl | KenJlime: yeah. actually it should have a reasonable without these settings, but it seems it doesn't. |
| 13:42.31 | mickeyl | i can check what happens when i remove the settings from my distro |
| 13:43.16 | KenJlime | mickeyl: oki,thx |
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| 13:45.54 | mickeyl | KenJlime: can you check whether you have libqte-mt in STAGING as well? |
| 13:46.28 | mickeyl | STAGING_DIR/sh3-linux/qt2/lib |
| 13:46.30 | mickeyl | iirc |
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| 13:47.59 | KenJlime | got 4 libqte files, but no libqte-mt file |
| 13:48.13 | KenJlime | libqte.so, libqte.so.2, libqte.so.2.3, libqte.so.2.3.10 |
| 13:48.26 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:48.41 | mickeyl | let me checkin something and then you could do a |
| 13:48.46 | mickeyl | bitbake -nv libqpe-opie |
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| 13:48.52 | mickeyl | and pastebin the log please |
| 13:48.59 | KenJlime | yeah |
| 13:50.08 | katossi | hrw, woglinde it worked, thx |
| 13:50.29 | woglinde | katossi no prob |
| 13:50.31 | hrw|work | np |
| 13:51.04 | KenJlime | mickeyl: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=739 |
| 13:51.49 | Gerrath | I keep getting the following Linux Kernel error right after the kernel uncompresses: Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x000003e5). |
| 13:51.57 | mickeyl | KenJlime: wait wait... it's not comitted yet :) |
| 13:52.16 | mickeyl | ok, it's up |
| 13:52.22 | KenJlime | ah lol |
| 13:52.23 | Gerrath | I have the correct machine set in the kernel config file and I verified it is in the arch/arm/tools/mach-types |
| 13:52.23 | Gerrath | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.48 | Gerrath | I'm not sure why it sees 3e5 as the machine since that is not even a valid machine. |
| 13:54.03 | KenJlime | mickeyl: want me to post diff against the "old" nv i did, or just complete? |
| 13:54.07 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb9292e45... 10/conf/distro/preferred-opie-versions.inc: preferred-opie-versions.inc: set overridable defaults for QTE_VERSION, OPIE_VERSION and PALMTOP_USE_MULTITHREADED_QT |
| 13:54.12 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbb64a8d0... 10/conf/distro/familiar-unstable.conf: familiar-unstable.conf: unbreak a bit |
| 13:55.35 | mickeyl | KenJlime: complete is better for me to read :) |
| 13:55.42 | zecke | KenJlime: which version of qte was built? |
| 13:56.22 | KenJlime | mickeyl: oki, uploading shortly |
| 13:56.50 | KenJlime | zecke: the problem was that no qte was built for me, and thus libqpe couldnt link against it |
| 13:57.22 | Gerrath | uhm, there is another message that lists valid machines and the only one in the list is the one I set in the config file. So does this mean that the error I see is because the kernel gets the actual machine from the bootloader? How does that work? |
| 13:57.54 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 13:57.55 | mickeyl | Gerrath: i guess you need to read the section about booting in linux/doc |
| 13:58.12 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:58.13 | mickeyl | Gerrath: it's a bit longish to explain here and my fingers are already aching |
| 13:58.17 | mickeyl | hi zecke |
| 13:58.35 | Gerrath | mickeyl, no problem I would rather read it anyway. This is a doc in the kernel source? |
| 13:58.42 | mickeyl | Gerrath: yea |
| 13:58.50 | KenJlime | damn, i need a faster machine |
| 13:58.56 | mickeyl | especially the arm document is a pretty good read |
| 14:00.17 | KenJlime | mickeyl: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=740 |
| 14:00.22 | Gerrath | mickeyl, Doc: /documentation/arm/Booting, thanks. |
| 14:01.37 | KenJlime | mickeyl: I could clean out libqpe and qte and see if it grabs qte now when building libqpe |
| 14:02.38 | zecke | woglinde: hey |
| 14:02.41 | zecke | woglinde: *toothache* |
| 14:02.55 | woglinde | zecke will it ever stop? |
| 14:02.56 | KenJlime | mickeyl: Just did and it grabbed qte |
| 14:03.03 | mickeyl | KenJlime: ok, good |
| 14:03.25 | zecke | woglinde: sure |
| 14:03.34 | KenJlime | mickeyl: thx, yet another bug squashed. I got 2 dead packages from the goal of having complete opie |
| 14:04.10 | woglinde | zecke I try to build a image with eabi and glib2.4 for the simpad |
| 14:05.32 | zecke | woglinde: harald is a idiot, putting the muxer into the kernel... |
| 14:05.42 | woglinde | an |
| 14:05.45 | woglinde | by the way |
| 14:05.47 | zecke | right ;) |
| 14:05.53 | woglinde | hm which muxer |
| 14:06.00 | woglinde | I rad the blog |
| 14:06.02 | woglinde | read |
| 14:06.13 | zecke | woglinde: GSM/ETSI |
| 14:07.20 | mickeyl | KenJlime: cool. progressing nicely |
| 14:07.24 | woglinde | hm oh i missed some entries |
| 14:07.31 | mickeyl | zecke: which harald? |
| 14:07.35 | woglinde | welte |
| 14:08.26 | mickeyl | ah. then i had the right one in mind |
| 14:08.42 | mickeyl | he seems to be a pretty competent guy in general... but slightly arrogant as well :) |
| 14:08.52 | mickeyl | unfortunately this is a usual combination |
| 14:09.07 | mickeyl | s/usual/not a rare/ |
| 14:09.08 | KenJlime | RMS |
| 14:09.10 | KenJlime | :D |
| 14:09.22 | mickeyl | sounds like a kernel hacker disease |
| 14:09.25 | mickeyl | RP being one notable exception |
| 14:09.27 | mickeyl | ~praise RP |
| 14:09.29 | ibot | All hail RP! |
| 14:09.32 | woglinde | hihi |
| 14:09.36 | KenJlime | lol |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r953b27f3... 10/conf/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-9 | add distro configuration for EZX phone distribution |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-9 | eventually this will be merged with Angstrom |
| 14:11.35 | woglinde | hms |
| 14:11.39 | woglinde | damnit glibc-build |
| 14:11.41 | KenJlime | mickeyl: I added .bb file for blackbox, its not pretty but compiles. Should be good for a fixme start |
| 14:11.53 | woglinde | bits/fenv.h not found |
| 14:13.26 | hrw|work | harald is the one behind openezx? |
| 14:13.32 | woglinde | hrw yes |
| 14:14.51 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 14:16.09 | koen | hrw|work: yes, wl-110 |
| 14:16.24 | hrw|work | koen: ok thx |
| 14:16.29 | mickeyl | KenJlime: good to hear |
| 14:16.30 | KenJlime | koen: morning |
| 14:16.49 | mickeyl | hi koen |
| 14:16.53 | KenJlime | mickeyl: its up on the buglist, you can implement it when you got time |
| 14:16.58 | hrw|work | koen: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-netdev&m=114744109711281&w=2 |
| 14:17.00 | mickeyl | KenJlime: will do, thanks |
| 14:17.08 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 14:17.15 | hrw|work | cu mickeyl |
| 14:18.10 | koen | hey KenJlime |
| 14:18.28 | zecke | mickeyl: well, I started to wonder about the competence :} |
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| 14:22.49 | KenJlime | Anyone else having build segfaults with opie-rotateapplet? |
| 14:23.06 | zecke | mickeyl: *hop* *hop* *hop* ;) |
| 14:23.11 | zecke | KenJlime: gcc segfaults? |
| 14:23.53 | KenJlime | bug #973 |
| 14:24.15 | hrw|work | zecke: will it work if I will add extra field into SRC_URI line? "file://04-netgear-ma701.patch;patch=1;comment=sent-to-netdev" |
| 14:25.16 | zecke | KenJlime: Why do you use 1.5.0? ;) |
| 14:25.29 | zecke | hrw|work: it should, just avoid spaces |
| 14:25.37 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:26.02 | KenJlime | zecke: I like bleeding edge :D Its worked well. |
| 14:26.16 | zecke | KenJlime: and it might stop working any time |
| 14:26.33 | zecke | KenJlime: okay, gcc.gnu.org and see what you need to submit gcc errors |
| 14:26.41 | zecke | KenJlime: e.g. get the parse treee etc.. |
| 14:26.50 | KenJlime | zecke: roger, thx |
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| 14:27.43 | hrw|work | ~fsck sync on sd card |
| 14:27.44 | ibot | e2fsck /dev/sync on sd card : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 14:28.47 | KenJlime | haha |
| 14:33.20 | CosmicPenguin | best infobit ever |
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| 14:41.21 | KenJlime | where is DN_NOTIFY,... and such defined? |
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| 14:56.14 | zecke | woglinde: ping |
| 15:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... we should set up vim-tiny to replace bb vi if it exists |
| 15:04.04 | hrw|work | how small is vim-tiny? |
| 15:05.25 | hrw|work | debian vim-tiny/arm = 906K |
| 15:05.34 | hrw|work | whole busybox is <600K iirc |
| 15:05.52 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, yeah - I know |
| 15:06.06 | CosmicPenguin | but I've been getting death threats lately over the busybox vim |
| 15:06.29 | koen | heh |
| 15:06.40 | koen | busybox vi is a bit ..... |
| 15:06.41 | koen | @^%$&@^$&*@^$&# |
| 15:06.53 | Necronom | I couldn't have said it better.. |
| 15:07.13 | hrw|work | I like this vi |
| 15:07.27 | CosmicPenguin | our OE stuff is mature enough that its starting to roll out to the less - Linux friendly among us |
| 15:08.12 | XorA | one great fix for busybox vi is to remove the hardcoded TERM=vt100 |
| 15:09.36 | CosmicPenguin | valuable tip |
| 15:10.01 | XorA | CosmicPenguin: look in /etc/profile |
| 15:10.39 | XorA | CosmicPenguin: that upgrades it from totally unusable to vaguely usable |
| 15:10.58 | CosmicPenguin | wow - thats way better |
| 15:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | good to know |
| 15:11.43 | KenJlime | Does any of you actually use emacs? |
| 15:11.57 | koen | no |
| 15:12.08 | koen | I used to use emacs to flush my buffers |
| 15:12.15 | pb__ | gnu emacs? hell no |
| 15:12.20 | koen | start emacs, quit emacs -> 32MB freed |
| 15:12.39 | KenJlime | The times ive used it I always get lost in the ctrl-alt-p-q-t-f-w-r = take the dog out for a walk syntaxes |
| 15:13.40 | hrw|work | XorA: I used vim on amiga |
| 15:13.52 | hrw|work | XorA: sometimes - mostly golded or cygnused |
| 15:14.05 | XorA | hrw|work: I dont think anyone had ported wim back in the 80's |
| 15:14.35 | XorA | hrw|work: though I didnt have an internet connection to get it anyway :-) |
| 15:14.43 | CosmicPenguin | but I use VI for most everything else |
| 15:14.44 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 15:16.24 | hrw|work | XorA: vim was created on Amiga |
| 15:16.33 | hrw|work | XorA: then ported to other OS |
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| 15:16.51 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 15:16.58 | hrw|work | hi Pigi |
| 15:17.19 | Pigi | hi hrw|work |
| 15:17.40 | hrw|work | XorA: 1991 Nov 2 Vim 1.14 First release (on Fred Fish disk #591). |
| 15:18.37 | XorA | hrw|work: cool |
| 15:18.38 | hrw|work | XorA: 1988 1.0 Based on Stevie for the Amiga, named Vi IMitation, never publicly released |
| 15:18.48 | hrw|work | XorA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_(text_editor) |
| 15:20.04 | XorA | hrw|work: my dissertation was done in Vim on Amiga in 97 |
| 15:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | so, has anyone ever thought about messing with GCC spec files in order to be able to buld uclibc and glibc in the same environment and switch between them? |
| 15:21.08 | CosmicPenguin | or is that just a horrible, scary evil idea? |
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| 15:21.44 | koen | CosmicPenguin: it's a nice idea |
| 15:21.45 | hrw|work | Pigi: does ipkg .162 worth upgrading from .159? |
| 15:21.55 | koen | CosmicPenguin: good thing you volunteered |
| 15:22.14 | Pigi | hrw|work, there are a lot of interesting bugfix ..... |
| 15:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | koen: I'm thinking about it - we're starting to build initrds, and these things pop into my mind... :) |
| 15:22.40 | pb__ | CosmicPenguin: not sure about horrible, scary or evil, but it may be a futile idea. I'm not sure that all the differences between those two environments are encapsulated in the specs file. |
| 15:22.53 | CosmicPenguin | sad |
| 15:22.54 | pb__ | you're probably better off just parallel-installing two versions of gcc, one for each |
| 15:23.03 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - that might not be that bad too |
| 15:23.11 | koen | Pigi: did you see http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857 ? |
| 15:23.29 | CosmicPenguin | My more pressing concern is getting a simple version of ipkg that doesn't write all the control data into the intrd |
| 15:23.43 | Pigi | koen, lemme see |
| 15:23.44 | CosmicPenguin | stupid x86 - always a pain in the hey-hey! |
| 15:23.46 | pb__ | can you not just post-process the initrd to delete all that data? |
| 15:24.04 | CosmicPenguin | pb_: you sound like my boss, what with the smart ideas and everything... :) |
| 15:24.11 | CosmicPenguin | Let me have my dreams! |
| 15:24.30 | pb__ | heh |
| 15:25.16 | Pigi | koen, I thinks some ( if not all ) of this patches are in .162 |
| 15:25.33 | koen | CosmicPenguin: try teaching bb to make libbb shared, so ipkg doesn't have to include its own copy |
| 15:26.25 | hrw|work | Pigi: http://oe.pastebin.com/713618 - 1.5m to get info that package does not exist ;( |
| 15:27.21 | Pigi | I think I can't speedup things if package file is big. |
| 15:27.39 | hrw|work | Pigi: ~6k packages |
| 15:27.41 | Pigi | In this case, I do need to read trough it to see if the package is there. |
| 15:28.26 | Pigi | hrw|work, 192k packakges |
| 15:28.36 | Pigi | 6k lines |
| 15:28.56 | hrw|work | Pigi: no - 6k lines of "Package: name" so 6k of packages |
| 15:29.03 | hrw|work | 192k chars |
| 15:29.04 | Pigi | yes, I've seen |
| 15:29.24 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:29.36 | Pigi | btw 6k packages isn't a little amount of data for it. How big is the file ? |
| 15:30.46 | hrw|work | Pigi: 2.389.170 bytes in total (few feeds summarized) |
| 15:32.16 | Pigi | I don't really know how to speed up things. How much does it takes to grep this file ? |
| 15:33.03 | hrw|work | 6s |
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| 15:34.24 | Pigi | hrw|work, as you probably knows, whenever a packages file get read, lots of time is spent in creating the needed ( nested ) structure to support the install |
| 15:34.40 | hrw|work | Pigi: I know |
| 15:35.40 | hrw|work | Pigi: no ideas for fixing |
| 15:35.48 | hrw|work | cu all |
| 15:35.56 | Pigi | thus, when reading trough 6k Packages, it must allocate a very hyuge amount of memory |
| 15:36.03 | Pigi | ciao hrw|gone |
| 15:37.28 | koen | Pigi: ever considered storing the lists in a sqlite db? |
| 15:39.36 | Pigi | koen, I'm not sure it will change something. The problem is not only in reading through the file, but in allocating memory for the variuos struct. |
| 15:40.51 | pb__ | Pigi: have you considered using a more efficient allocator for that? say, GSlice or some such |
| 15:41.28 | Pigi | pb__, honestly not. But I could try to read about this. |
| 15:42.03 | pb__ | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-Memory-Slices.html |
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| 15:47.04 | Genesis | a+ |
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| 15:54.14 | woglinde | re zecke |
| 15:56.16 | zecke | spaciva |
| 15:56.22 | zecke | woglinde: genosse |
| 15:56.56 | zecke | hmm what can we do (without using launchpad) to make bug reports go to the right place (mmagically) |
| 15:58.29 | Pigi | bbl |
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| 16:05.18 | XorA__ | Well lost my primary connection, but his is me off for 2 weeks |
| 16:05.22 | XorA__ | see you dudes later! |
| 16:05.52 | zecke | cya! |
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| 16:13.39 | YoG | is there a problem with the forums? |
| 16:13.47 | zecke | which one? |
| 16:13.57 | YoG | oesf |
| 16:14.00 | woglinde | *g* |
| 16:14.01 | YoG | the whole site |
| 16:14.58 | zecke | YoG: dunno |
| 16:15.37 | YoG | well... its working really slow now (for me at least) |
| 16:17.18 | zecke | pb_: master of gnu? |
| 16:18.11 | pb__ | zecke: hail zecke |
| 16:18.41 | zecke | pb__: could you do me a favor and open gcc/c-incpath.c |
| 16:19.23 | pb__ | sure |
| 16:19.27 | pb__ | which version of gcc? |
| 16:19.32 | zecke | pb__: any |
| 16:19.46 | pb__ | okay, got it |
| 16:19.54 | zecke | pb__: I could add a hack to add_path to check if the string starts with "/usr/" |
| 16:19.56 | zecke | right? |
| 16:20.03 | KenJlime | Could we drop java support in the gcc packets (intended for target arch). They are giving me a world of trouble |
| 16:20.10 | zecke | does this sound like a good idea? |
| 16:20.16 | pb__ | zecke: yes, sounds like a good plan |
| 16:20.23 | zecke | KenJlime: you can drop it for sh |
| 16:20.28 | pb__ | KenJlime: you can turn them off for superh if you want |
| 16:20.42 | zecke | KenJlime: gcc*3*.inc |
| 16:20.44 | pb__ | any attempt to turn them off for other architectures would be met with fierce resistance |
| 16:21.34 | KenJlime | how can I do that? |
| 16:23.39 | zecke | KenJlime: gcc3-build.inc |
| 16:23.44 | zecke | ~line 14 |
| 16:24.07 | zecke | and for gcc4 as well |
| 16:24.09 | zecke | food |
| 16:24.14 | zecke | will hack gcc later |
| 16:24.15 | KenJlime | oki, thx |
| 16:24.27 | zecke | and I need to hurry otherwise Al will get mad |
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| 16:51.38 | KenJlime | pb_ it compiles nicely, was due to nasty shit libgcj... just left that out as for most archs |
| 16:52.04 | KenJlime | I've sent a patch if anyone care to commit it (Bug #977) |
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| 17:07.50 | hrw | hi |
| 17:08.27 | hrw | I have to decide one thing about wifi cards in 2.6... follow mainline or be against it. |
| 17:08.46 | raduga | how is the mainline different from what you want? |
| 17:08.48 | woglinde | what you mean with mainline? |
| 17:08.59 | hrw | woglinde: 2.6 |
| 17:09.21 | hrw | raduga: prism2 cards can be used with hostap or orinoco |
| 17:09.48 | woglinde | hrw hm thats the problem waiting until all drivers are ported or made some other |
| 17:09.50 | raduga | mainline supports just one or the other? or mainline supports both, and you want to specify one or the other? |
| 17:09.59 | hrw | raduga: some are handled by both - with pcmciautils we have them both loaded and some cards goes to orinoco instead of hostap - so no WPA |
| 17:10.13 | hrw | anyway I got one nice suggestion - blacklisting |
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| 17:14.02 | koen | how does that blacklisting work? |
| 17:14.27 | koen | the whole 'can only change stuff in kernel' approach seems a bit odd |
| 17:14.39 | woglinde | koen hm eabi cannt be build for arm4v right? |
| 17:14.56 | koen | woglinde: in OE it can, the thumb bits aren't turned on |
| 17:15.13 | koen | woglinde: see http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort for details |
| 17:15.33 | woglinde | koen but glibc says it cant use the compiler |
| 17:15.42 | koen | weird |
| 17:16.01 | koen | it works for my armv4t board ;) |
| 17:16.10 | woglinde | hm |
| 17:16.15 | woglinde | with angstroem? |
| 17:16.25 | koen | yes |
| 17:16.49 | hrw | koen: hmm. just checked and it looks like blacklisting in hotplug is not that nice |
| 17:17.01 | hrw | its rather 'do not use this driver at all' |
| 17:17.08 | woglinde | koen can you provide me the local.conf? |
| 17:17.09 | koen | hrw: that's what I thought |
| 17:17.31 | koen | woglinde: DISTRO="angstrom-2006.9" MACHINE="yourmachine" |
| 17:17.35 | koen | nothing more should be needed |
| 17:18.04 | woglinde | koen trying I am trying for simpad |
| 17:18.20 | koen | ah |
| 17:18.28 | koen | the 2.6 kernel for simpad doesn't build |
| 17:18.34 | koen | so you're out of luck anyway |
| 17:18.47 | woglinde | koen the kernel builds |
| 17:18.56 | woglinde | but it only works for zecke |
| 17:19.12 | woglinde | because of the fb driver |
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| 17:21.49 | raduga | i have a question, regarding an annoyance in wifi; |
| 17:21.59 | raduga | not sure to whom to address, or how to address |
| 17:21.59 | likewise | koen: I "fixed" the glibc-intermediate problem I stumbled on earlier for my case. |
| 17:22.11 | katossi | http://www.oesources.org/source/current/libXcomposite-X11R7.0-X11R7.0-0.2.2.2.tar.bz2 can't be downloaded, can anyone try if it's just me? |
| 17:22.17 | raduga | i'd like to blacklist some "bad" access points, and some bad networks |
| 17:22.40 | raduga | my card keeps randonly switching APs, and some of the ones it locks onto, are useless, and won't serve me at all |
| 17:23.03 | raduga | and there are a few, specific ones that I'd like to use, but generally, any other than the "bad" APs are fine |
| 17:23.21 | raduga | i can't seem to find any way in drivers/software to enforce that kind of policy |
| 17:23.47 | woglinde | raduga I think you are right |
| 17:23.47 | raduga | katossi: it is a noted bug. |
| 17:23.56 | katossi | ok |
| 17:24.16 | raduga | katossi: fixed, in .dev |
| 17:24.35 | raduga | katossi: you can either, pull newer .dev from monotone, |
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| 17:24.36 | katossi | I'm using .dev |
| 17:24.42 | woglinde | hi florian |
| 17:24.43 | raduga | or patch your .bb manually |
| 17:24.46 | katossi | I will pull now |
| 17:24.47 | raduga | whichever you prefer |
| 17:24.51 | raduga | :) |
| 17:25.59 | raduga | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=965 |
| 17:27.24 | florian | re |
| 17:30.08 | woglinde | koen ah now I understand the kernel needs eabi too |
| 17:36.58 | koen | like|food4me: iirc I patched the patch: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=1ad17d00731f7914d50ac92436fc537276cf1f9c |
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| 17:48.24 | koen | NOTE: package quilt-native-0.45-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 17:49.09 | hrw | koen: gracias |
| 17:50.00 | koen | gah |
| 17:50.06 | koen | ERROR: log data follows (/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv5te-linux-gnueabi/bzip2-1.0.2-r1/temp/log.do_patchcmd.27982) |
| 17:50.09 | koen | | getopt: invalid option -- n |
| 17:50.11 | koen | | Usage: quilt import [-p num] [-P patch] [-f] [-d {o|a|n}] patchfile ... |
| 17:50.32 | hrw | hm.. |
| 17:54.01 | koen | comment added to #929 |
| 17:56.14 | JustinP | koen: so I guess it wasn't a problem me pushing to oz354x? |
| 17:58.01 | koen | JustinP: don't ask me :) |
| 17:58.46 | JustinP | koen: heh, ok |
| 18:02.17 | raduga | btw, I built a gpe-image-akita yesterday, with src a couple days old, |
| 18:02.50 | raduga | and the kernel had *major* problems in dealing with the jffs2 at mount time. Panicked, and everything. |
| 18:03.20 | hrw | interesting |
| 18:03.24 | raduga | not reporting it to the bugtracker, as I'm not positive it was a kernel problem (yet), or some sort of pilot error. |
| 18:03.31 | hrw | monotone: 1,8 M | 232,2 k | 1684 | 407 | 24 |
| 18:03.33 | hrw | ;( |
| 18:03.44 | raduga | hrw: it was just after trying sashz' beta4, so I am a little skeptical |
| 18:04.06 | hrw | raduga: u-boot on device or reflashed whole nand? |
| 18:04.17 | raduga | hrw: beta4+uboot -> nand flash with Sharp rom -> oz .dev |
| 18:04.25 | raduga | hrw: the latter |
| 18:04.27 | hrw | ok |
| 18:04.51 | raduga | hrw: there's also a possibility of bad CF card. too many variables |
| 18:05.08 | JustinP | sashz' beta4? what's this? |
| 18:05.08 | raduga | i am buying a brand-new CF, and building a brand-new gpe, |
| 18:05.30 | raduga | so we can eliminate some of the variables. i'll send report to bugs list, if it persists :) |
| 18:05.46 | hrw | JustinP: pdaXrom beta4 |
| 18:05.53 | raduga | justinp: with u-boot. |
| 18:06.58 | koen | it seems I'll have some time on sunday to play with qemu |
| 18:10.15 | hrw | KenJlime: #984 will stay for long time in bugtracker probably |
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| 18:16.40 | KenJlime | hrw: howso? |
| 18:18.13 | hrw | KenJlime: until next bugparty when someone will take it as 'simple bug which would be nice to resolve and I have time to check which ver is current' |
| 18:18.50 | hrw | KenJlime: in other words - if package is unmaintained and not popular it can stay for long time (if there is no patch to fix bug attached) |
| 18:22.06 | hrw | KenJlime: btw - what do you think about having r/w access? |
| 18:22.15 | KenJlime | hrw: oki, which basicly means that I will look into then :D |
| 18:23.22 | KenJlime | koen: if/when you got time got #977 and #980 ready for commiting |
| 18:23.43 | likewise | koen: thanks for the arm-longlong patch fix. pulling. |
| 18:25.34 | KenJlime | mickey|bbiab: having same issues with xmms-embedded as I had with libqpe-opie (lacking -lqte) could you do your quick magic fingers on that one also? |
| 18:27.00 | hrw | KenJlime: vi xmms-embedded*.bb and remove 'CONFIG-=thread" from EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST and do rebuild |
| 18:27.12 | hrw | KenJlime: tell does it helps |
| 18:28.49 | KenJlime | hrw: didnt make any difference |
| 18:29.02 | KenJlime | check log to see what mickey did for libqpe-opie |
| 18:29.05 | KenJlime | had exact same issues |
| 18:29.17 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r05815600... 10/packages/totem/totem_1.0.4.bb: totem: disable lirc - we have it only on collie |
| 18:31.12 | KenJlime | going to install qte and then xmms-embedded, fixed it with libqpe-opie although mickey will need to fix the xmms-embedded..bb file later |
| 18:47.14 | JustinP | raduga: and u-boot is.....? |
| 18:50.04 | hrw | JustinP: bootloader |
| 18:54.50 | Ifaistos | Need your ideas.... Once the images for my distro are build i end up with 2 (actually more) files one for the kernel and one for fs. In order to create a binary image a user can dd to a CF or a disk, i need to create 2 partitions in a CF, format them,run grup, install the kernel in the first partition, install the fs in the second and them run dd to create a binary file with an image of the compact flash. |
| 18:55.09 | Ifaistos | is there a way to automate the procedure from OE ? |
| 18:55.25 | JustinP | probably |
| 18:55.28 | Ifaistos | oe do i need to extend the makefile i have |
| 18:55.57 | Ifaistos | oe=or |
| 18:55.59 | hrw | Ifaistos: you want to create disk image with two partitions |
| 18:56.16 | Ifaistos | hrw: yes |
| 18:56.17 | hrw | iirc we had something for this added some time ago |
| 18:57.17 | Ifaistos | hrw : in which module/package ? |
| 18:58.23 | hrw | do not remember now ;( |
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| 19:00.45 | Ifaistos | hrw : let me know if something comes up.... |
| 19:00.53 | Ifaistos | On another matter.... |
| 19:01.19 | Ifaistos | I am building the same distro for several different machines and architectures... |
| 19:01.32 | Ifaistos | each time i have to go through building the tool-chain |
| 19:02.05 | Ifaistos | is there a way to have a common tool-chain for all and generate different packages etc |
| 19:02.39 | hrw | multimachine.inc |
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| 19:04.02 | Ifaistos | hrw : maybe multimachine.conf ? |
| 19:04.24 | hrw | perhaps - I have it inside of local.conf |
| 19:06.17 | Ifaistos | hrw : Can you post it please ? |
| 19:10.00 | hrw | http://oe.pastebin.com/714032 |
| 19:11.24 | Ifaistos | hrw : Thanks :) |
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| 19:25.06 | likewise | all: Anyone compiling (Angstrom) from a x86_64 host? |
| 19:25.46 | hrw | I would like ;D |
| 19:26.25 | likewise | hrw: I could let you login :-) |
| 19:27.13 | hrw | what problem you got? |
| 19:27.22 | likewise | building gm-native gives me: configure: error: some sort of compiler problem, mp_limb_t doesn't seem to work |
| 19:27.49 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.55 | hrw | KILL kde |
| 19:27.57 | likewise | hrw: which is preceded by: checking for mp_limb_t... yes | checking size of mp_limb_t... 0 |
| 19:28.24 | likewise | so obviously the size 0 for a limb is not good. |
| 19:28.37 | hrw | then check mp_limb_t and set proper var in site/ file? |
| 19:30.47 | likewise | hrw: thanks for the suggestion - my build skills are limited |
| 19:30.59 | hrw | happens |
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| 19:35.48 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r42b8c792... 10/ (64 files in 7 dirs): efl, e17: update to newest versions |
| 19:36.06 | JustinP | ^_^ |
| 19:37.07 | katossi | http://www.oesources.org/source/current/JavaScriptCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz can't be downloaded |
| 19:37.32 | JustinP | katossi: the stuff from oesources is just a bonus |
| 19:37.46 | JustinP | katossi: bb/oe will also check out from CVS... |
| 19:37.53 | JustinP | (assuming sf.net fixed their servers) |
| 19:39.08 | katossi | but it's not a bug |
| 19:40.15 | JustinP | did it download from CVS ok? |
| 19:41.33 | katossi | no |
| 19:41.56 | katossi | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 19:41.56 | JustinP | well.... |
| 19:42.04 | JustinP | wonderful sf.net CVS |
| 19:42.52 | hrw | cvs.sf.net is changing slowly |
| 19:43.05 | JustinP | wt.....ERROR: Nothing provides dependency libx11 |
| 19:43.22 | hrw | JustinP: x11<>libx11 diff .dev<>.oz354x |
| 19:43.31 | JustinP | ah |
| 19:43.35 | JustinP | ok, then |
| 19:43.54 | hrw | katossi: OZ 3.5.4 has source archive, familiar 0.8.x too |
| 19:43.56 | JustinP | I also think this should be virtual/x11 as (AFAIK) it's impossible to build non-diet x11 without using -b |
| 19:46.52 | hrw | bbl - have to reboot... |
| 19:47.33 | likewise | all: how can I tell oe / bitbake to compile gmp-native 4.2.1 for me instead of the angstrom default 4.1.2? |
| 19:48.02 | likewise | all: i.e. where can I find the version number being built? |
| 19:48.10 | JustinP | PREFERRED_VERSION_gmp-native = "4.2.1" in local.conf I think |
| 19:49.39 | likewise | JustinP: thanks. But where is the default version taken from? (I am quite newbie here) |
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| 19:54.29 | magnet_ | hi |
| 19:54.34 | magnet_ | hrw|gone: you're around ? |
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| 20:00.18 | Terminar | hi again |
| 20:10.43 | nchip | is it possible to run something like "bitbake gpe-image --download-all-sources" to just grab all sources? |
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| 20:14.49 | mickey|bbiab | sure |
| 20:14.57 | mickey|bbiab | bitbake -c fetch or so |
| 20:15.02 | mickey|bbiab | take a look at bitbake -h |
| 20:29.01 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb4da6e3e... 10/packages/ltrace/ltrace_0.3.36.bb: ltrace: remove do_install |
| 20:29.06 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8c29439f... 10/conf/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tweak ezx configs. bootstrap-image now builds, further tweaks not until I got my A780 :) |
| 20:29.48 | koen | mickey|tv: somehow I doon't believe the 'no further updates' part |
| 20:29.57 | mickey|tv | hehe |
| 20:29.58 | koen | mickey|tv: and where did you buy the a780? |
| 20:30.06 | koen | I can't find a retailer in .nl |
| 20:30.22 | mickey|tv | ordered @ hitseller.de |
| 20:30.52 | mickey|tv | http://www.hitseller.de/shop.php?mode=show_detail&group=9D2DB2ADE4D3187C95E963B1D109AC7E&last_group=C616BB7E97877F068557B6D8393ADC7A&sid=4e41ef739766cc309e66ccc0aef4256f&s=&id=1D2EC2B723A0A84287191B8E7269D203 |
| 20:31.08 | mickey|tv | they say it's in stock |
| 20:31.09 | koen | eeks! |
| 20:31.17 | mickey|tv | ordered it on wednesday |
| 20:31.21 | mickey|tv | can't wait to have it here |
| 20:31.24 | koen | that's like a week worth of pay |
| 20:31.36 | mickey|tv | yay, pretty expensive :/ |
| 20:31.47 | mickey|tv | need that to improve my mood ;) |
| 20:31.49 | koen | the blueangel is E650 |
| 20:34.08 | mickey|tv | harald welte making good progress w/ ezx |
| 20:34.17 | mickey|tv | kernel 2.6 already boots and runs a bootstrap from transflash |
| 20:34.40 | mickey|tv | without touching your installed system |
| 20:34.53 | mickey|tv | we also have the modified blob for the a780 |
| 20:35.58 | mickey|tv | KenJlime: yeah, xmms-embedded needs more qte-mt fixing. as do a lot of non-opie programs which i didn't fix yet. i'll take care about that |
| 20:39.53 | koen | mickey|tv: it'd be interesting to experiment with vnc/xcb/freenx over gprs :) |
| 20:39.54 | KenJlime | mickey|tv: thx, but I saw that you added the blackbox.bb but havent seen it when i updated. |
| 20:40.42 | KenJlime | Oh and if you got a sec later got #977 and #980 ready for commiting |
| 20:40.44 | mickey|tv | koen: yeah. i wish it had wlan as well |
| 20:41.36 | cbrake_away | mickey|tv: is it ok to upgrade python-pysqlite2 to 2.2.2? |
| 20:41.49 | mickey|tv | cbrake: sure. please go ahead |
| 20:43.20 | cbrake | mickey|tv: nice work w/ all the python stuff in OE -- really slick :-) |
| 20:43.50 | mickey|tv | cbrake: thanks :) put much blood sweat and tears into it. |
| 20:45.29 | koen | mickey|tv: maybe we should organize a OE-dev phone-doom challenge |
| 20:45.40 | koen | mickey|tv: after we all get sponsored phones ;) |
| 20:45.45 | mickey|tv | koen: heh. good thinking! |
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| 20:46.10 | koen | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:47.31 | TheMasterMind1 | afternoon |
| 20:48.22 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc3fb2b0c... 10/packages/gcc/gcc3-build.inc: gcc3-build.inc: disable JAVA for sh3. fixes #977 |
| 20:48.28 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc3c78fb6... 10/site/sh3-linux: sh3-linux: add entry for libxfce4util. fixes #980 |
| 20:48.34 | cbrake | mickey|tv: what does "ml" in PR="ml0" mean? |
| 20:48.43 | koen | mickey lauer |
| 20:48.52 | mickey|tv | cbrake: that's the revision for packages which I really really care about |
| 20:48.57 | mickey|tv | Michael Lauer is my full name |
| 20:49.05 | koen | ah, close enough |
| 20:49.11 | mickey|tv | right :) |
| 20:49.18 | cbrake | mickey|tv: ahh, ok. |
| 20:49.26 | JustinP | likewise: conf/distro probably |
| 20:50.18 | mickey|tv | JustinP: good work w/ E! any improvements visible? |
| 20:50.51 | JustinP | mickey|tv: ummm....not that I've seen so far....but I haven't checked the changelogs |
| 20:51.05 | JustinP | mickey|tv: also, the default image in .dev will hang X on xtscal |
| 20:51.14 | JustinP | mickey|tv: trying to build a new oz354x image right now |
| 20:51.19 | likewise | JustinP: tnx |
| 20:51.27 | JustinP | hmmmm..where did login-manager go? |
| 20:51.29 | koen | xtscal is broken in .dev due to voodoo toolchain issues |
| 20:51.36 | mickey|tv | there's a guy @ openezx who is trying to push EFL for a new phone GUI |
| 20:51.41 | KenJlime | Is there any reason why there isnt a glibc-2.3.6 package around? |
| 20:51.43 | koen | JustinP: it was reverted by 'some people' |
| 20:51.54 | mickey|tv | dunno whether we really want X on a phone, but we need to check that |
| 20:52.01 | koen | mickey|tv: raster already made a phone gui, but for a company |
| 20:52.06 | mickey|tv | now GET MY PHONE DELIVERED |
| 20:52.10 | mickey|tv | :D |
| 20:52.22 | mickey|tv | koen: yes, but that was fb, not x. |
| 20:52.28 | koen | mickey|tv: http://www.fluffyspider.com/products/fp/fp.html |
| 20:52.51 | mickey|tv | heh that's nice |
| 20:52.53 | likewise | has anyone got a OE port to this yet? http://www.hitseller.de/shop.php?mode=show_detail&lang=de&group=65A75A5CDC19ACC0D130B25AFDED63C2&id=B95C87C68478A8BF307C062E5CCE6C66&last_group=0&sid=4e41ef739766cc309e66ccc0aef4256f |
| 20:53.08 | mickey|tv | hehehe |
| 20:53.14 | koen | likewise: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=953b27f3fde0c6c63190674f1232e712c0f58d35 |
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| 20:53.38 | mickey|tv | koen: his link points to a beer machine |
| 20:53.49 | koen | D'oh |
| 20:53.56 | JustinP | koen: I don't see any commit e-mail about it...:-| |
| 20:54.09 | koen | JustinP: happened a few months ago |
| 20:54.11 | mickey|tv | likewise: when it comes with Leffe Bruin, then I'll add OE support |
| 20:54.13 | likewise | sorry, it has no display. never mind |
| 20:54.15 | florian | bbl |
| 20:54.40 | JustinP | perhaps I still have an ipk kicking around |
| 20:54.54 | likewise | mickey|tv: does that offer hold for other platforms as well? We are looking for a build engineer :-) |
| 20:55.03 | JustinP | hmmm.... |
| 20:55.04 | JustinP | nope |
| 20:55.12 | JustinP | ah, I think I re-compiled.... |
| 20:55.17 | JustinP | grrr |
| 20:55.24 | JustinP | so e wouldn't build for anyone anyway |
| 20:55.38 | mickey|tv | likewise: hehe. actually I'm planning to do freelance work as OE specialist once I submitted my Ph.D thesis |
| 20:55.59 | AlexTe | Is there a tool similar to xev for opie so that I can get key names ? |
| 20:56.26 | mickey|tv | AlexTe: i think so |
| 20:56.29 | mickey|tv | keyview or so |
| 20:56.33 | mickey|tv | dunno whether it's in OE yet |
| 20:56.38 | mickey|tv | because it's a devel tool |
| 20:56.44 | mickey|tv | i can check tomorrow |
| 20:56.47 | likewise | seriously, once OE is a bit established (and this goes for other build stuff as well) this is very interesting for embedded companies. |
| 20:56.55 | hobbs | whee. It almost works |
| 20:57.14 | koen | JustinP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=2e402ac20b6f22afb065088192f491e1bd1b0c09 |
| 20:57.16 | mickey|tv | likewise: absolutely, that's what I was thinking as well. |
| 20:57.26 | mickey|tv | k, wifey calls |
| 20:57.29 | mickey|tv | cu tomorrow |
| 20:57.34 | likewise | CU |
| 20:57.48 | koen | mickey|tv: cu |
| 20:57.55 | cbrake | likewise: agreed -- OE is very interesting for embedded. |
| 20:57.57 | likewise | (what must his wife have been calling?) |
| 20:58.02 | likewise | :-) |
| 20:58.06 | CosmicPenguin | I would hope so - since its designed for embedded images |
| 20:58.15 | CosmicPenguin | sure as hell not interesting for a server farm |
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| 20:58.27 | likewise | CosmicPenguin: Hmm, but you would need one :-) |
| 20:58.39 | AlexTe | mickey|tv does not seem to be in oe tree |
| 20:58.42 | likewise | OE is too bleeding edge to sell to my dev. team |
| 20:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | we've been using it for well over a year now |
| 20:59.24 | likewise | CosmicPenguin: for production software? 24/7 |
| 20:59.32 | cbrake | likewise: what type of products do you work on? |
| 20:59.43 | likewise | video broadcast equipment |
| 20:59.50 | koen | likewise: now we've got experience with branches, a stable branch is getting more real every day |
| 21:00.06 | koen | likewise: did you ever do a presentation at fosdem? |
| 21:00.27 | CosmicPenguin | as far as I am concerned, the bitbake engine and OE core is stable as can be |
| 21:00.38 | likewise | koen: it's a bit like with the Linux kernel: new features, new bugs. You need a stable-branch manager. |
| 21:00.47 | CosmicPenguin | and if you're doing production images and you're pulling blindly from somebody else's meta data - then you're probably not going to be very successful |
| 21:00.56 | likewise | koen: no, not yet |
| 21:01.08 | cbrake | likewise: I just started a project for a customer using OE -- small device server type system. |
| 21:01.18 | koen | likewise: ok, I remember someone doing a presentation about video stuff in fosdem 2005 |
| 21:01.59 | likewise | CosmicPenguin: I know. We are seriously looking for someone to maintain our own tree for future development. |
| 21:02.24 | cbrake | likewise: nice to finally have a customer who is interested in using a real build system. |
| 21:02.59 | likewise | cbrake: nice. Well, I am not that familiar with OE yet. I am trying a handful of environments to come up with one in the end. |
| 21:04.00 | cbrake | likewise: nod, I was referring to the project I mentioned previously. |
| 21:04.07 | cbrake | likewise: good luck with your search. |
| 21:04.16 | likewise | cbrake: tnx |
| 21:04.23 | koen | likewise, cbrake: http://survey.openembedded.org/index/php?sid=6 |
| 21:04.24 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf74d80c1... 10/packages/xmms-embedded/xmms-embedded_20040327.bb: xmms-embedded: fix SRC_URI per recent sourceforge cvs restructuration, catch up with qte/qte-mt situation |
| 21:04.51 | JustinP | koen: I was meaning in oz354x....but I guess it was never there |
| 21:05.08 | JustinP | koen: which is baffling me because my previous push should have had login-manager and it seemed to build and run fine for me.... |
| 21:05.54 | cbrake | koen: yeah, I already filled it out. Great idea, be interesting to see the results. |
| 21:06.02 | JustinP | mickey|tv: BTW, I now have 2 scripts to automate e updates for me |
| 21:06.15 | JustinP | mickey|tv: one checks the website and spits out mtn rename commands for new versions |
| 21:06.42 | JustinP | mickey|tv: another helps me move changes to branches (oz354x) ^_^ |
| 21:06.53 | likewise | koen: OK, I'll fill in that form. That aside, what I see currently lacking is documentation on the way you guys handle working with the OE tree. I.e. if something is broken, I am searching through a haystack to see how everything fits together. |
| 21:06.59 | koen | cbrake: by the looks of it we don't need bigshot statistics apps to parse the results |
| 21:07.15 | koen | cbrake: but we'll let everybody know in a few weeks :) |
| 21:07.55 | JustinP | ~praise OE |
| 21:07.57 | ibot | All hail OE! |
| 21:08.10 | koen | do we have an OE song yet? |
| 21:10.00 | cbrake | koen: heh, its taking awhile, but OE will catch on. |
| 21:10.33 | cbrake | koen: just in the past couple months, I've talked with at least 3 embedded teams seriously considering using OE. |
| 21:16.01 | cbrake | likewise: I think an example step by step debugging procedure would be helpful. |
| 21:16.15 | likewise | cbrake: yes, exactly. |
| 21:16.30 | likewise | cbrake: *just* wrote that in similar words in the survey. |
| 21:16.55 | likewise | You guys seem to be very handy in OE and bitbake already, to me its not that transparent yet. |
| 21:17.04 | cbrake | likewise: OK, I'll try to put something on the wiki in the next few days. |
| 21:17.09 | likewise | s/its/it's |
| 21:17.41 | cbrake | likewise: I can handle OE/bitbake -- its still autotools that drive me crazy :-\ |
| 21:18.21 | likewise | cbrake: yes, same here. I am still at the 'make' level of build stuff, there is lots for me ahead yet. And OE builds on all that :-) |
| 21:19.02 | likewise | cbrake: My biggest problem with the traditional way of cross compiling come along when pkg-config and libtool did no longer work for cross-stuff. |
| 21:19.08 | likewise | s/come/came |
| 21:19.29 | likewise | (autoconf and sed :-) syntax) |
| 21:20.12 | cbrake | likewise: nod |
| 21:21.13 | likewise | from the surbey: biggest problem with OE? => running out of disk space too quicky ;-) |
| 21:21.45 | hobbs | haha |
| 21:22.28 | cbrake | likewise: heh, reply: disk space is cheap :-) |
| 21:23.12 | likewise | cbrake: I know, but disk space is never enough :-) |
| 21:24.32 | koen | cbrake: a FAQ (or several FAQs) would be nice |
| 21:25.25 | koen | cbrake: and more stuff like http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/12 |
| 21:26.30 | cbrake | koen: looks good. |
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| 21:39.44 | likewise | On the subject of disk space, there is no real harm cleaning up build/tmp/work/ behind bitbake, during the build, right? |
| 21:40.31 | JustinP | likewise: shouldn't be, anything needed by builds *should* be in the staging dir |
| 21:40.38 | likewise | I mean, the work/* directories are never ever referenced anymore after the package was installed in the staging dir. |
| 21:40.39 | JustinP | (IIRC) |
| 21:41.03 | JustinP | there may be some that still reference work, though, but they should eb fixed |
| 21:41.41 | likewise | JustinP: ok, I was not sure I might assume that. |
| 21:42.27 | likewise | Can I override something so that that bitbake does a rm -rf of each working dir after a package was installed to staging? |
| 21:42.49 | RP | likewise: There's a class that does that if I remember rightly |
| 21:42.59 | koen | likewise: we have some problems with libtool pointing to the workdir |
| 21:43.03 | koen | rm_work iirc |
| 21:43.16 | koen | rm_work.bbclass to be exact |
| 21:43.29 | likewise | koen: ok, packages using libtool *might* refer to the work dir still? |
| 21:43.31 | koen | s/have/had/ |
| 21:43.49 | likewise | s/refer/refered/ :-) |
| 21:43.51 | koen | likewise: yes, but we should have fixed those issues last month with some sed magic |
| 21:44.22 | likewise | So using the rm_work class would actually test those fixes. |
| 21:44.32 | koen | yes |
| 21:45.01 | likewise | looking into that... |
| 21:45.08 | koen | with the 'putting staging under package management' project those problems should be gone |
| 21:45.41 | likewise | and thanks all for explaining this, another part of voodoo unravelled |
| 21:45.43 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.04 | likewise | koen: doe eens vertellen :-) |
| 21:46.11 | koen | hmmm, I need to go to sleep |
| 21:46.20 | koen | too much dutchisms |
| 21:46.27 | likewise | s/i/is |
| 21:46.30 | ggilbert__ | koen: what is your SoC project? |
| 21:46.40 | koen | ggilbert__: 'putting staging under package management' |
| 21:46.49 | ggilbert__ | oh |
| 21:46.51 | ggilbert__ | sweet |
| 21:47.15 | ggilbert__ | That's something we've wanted forever :p |
| 21:47.40 | ggilbert__ | koen: Not sure if you've considered this, but you might want something like dpkg-divert |
| 21:48.09 | ggilbert__ | or maybe not |
| 21:48.31 | ggilbert__ | munging wasn't happening on installed files, just during the installation process |
| 21:48.39 | koen | ggilbert__: I'll first make it work with ipkg, then make it general |
| 21:49.07 | ggilbert__ | My mind is just thinking of the stuff like pkgconfig scripts that we munge |
| 21:49.22 | ggilbert__ | but that would be covered already |
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| 21:50.16 | likewise | ggilbert__: what have you been munging during install? |
| 21:50.32 | ggilbert__ | likewise: There are paths that needed changing |
| 21:51.17 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.33 | koen | that's what base.bbclass does to the .la files |
| 21:52.24 | ggilbert__ | My mind was going off in two different directions :p |
| 21:53.20 | ggilbert__ | I was thinking there was a staging target that went and modified all of the instances in staging, which would suck come uninstall time |
| 21:53.25 | ggilbert__ | but that's not the case |
| 21:53.29 | likewise | koen: eek |
| 21:54.36 | ggilbert__ | likewise: sometimes you have to go to a bit of trouble to keep things in the host install from leaking into staging |
| 21:55.48 | JustinP | hrw|gone: are we going to get the boot logo with the new RC? |
| 21:55.59 | JustinP | I like that new design |
| 21:56.59 | koen | JustinP: awaiting reply from the author, hrw is |
| 21:57.51 | JustinP | awaiting the "ok" to use his work for free? |
| 21:58.57 | JustinP | I really ought to qemu this thing |
| 21:59.32 | koen | qemu runs about the same speed as a real device according to RP |
| 21:59.52 | koen | so it might not be a big win speedwise, but a nice polishy touch |
| 22:02.07 | koen | JustinP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/add-new-splash.diff |
| 22:02.50 | JustinP | koen: cool. I was thinking more about the kernel splash, though ;-) |
| 22:03.00 | JustinP | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/logo.jpg |
| 22:04.23 | JustinP | probably run slower on my machine, actually....but would still be much better than forcing all of the users to run it on first boot....it takes 10 minutes or so |
| 22:04.26 | JustinP | on my spitz |
| 22:04.56 | JustinP | ~cheer for non-crashing xtscal |
| 22:04.58 | ibot | ACTION cheers for non-crashing xtscal on |
| 22:22.48 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * r1ed43f7b... 10/ (62 files in 6 dirs): efl, e17: sync with .dev (also adds a patch which was previously missing) |
| 22:29.58 | JustinP | zaurusd isn't shutting down my spitz.... |
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| 22:38.46 | JustinP | hrw|gone: changes pushed. I'd appreciate e images for RC3. :-) |
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| 22:39.34 | KenJlime | mickey|tv: could you commit the blackbox package? |
| 22:45.14 | KenJlime | How come installing the icewm package doesnt include downloading the xfbdev package? |
| 22:45.43 | JustinP | RP: why is suspend-on-hinge-close turned off for zaurusd in .oz354x? |
| 22:46.06 | JustinP | RP: I foudn the commented lines and uncommented them, works just like it seems it should... |
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| 23:02.04 | likewise | g'nite all |
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| 23:13.30 | KenJlime | I want my own personal commit-authorized-oe-hacker , that way I can just push a button and watch him go and commit stuff. |
| 23:24.59 | KenJlime | And I would call him Timmy |
| 23:25.05 | KenJlime | ~lart Timmy |
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| 23:47.35 | KenJlime | ~lart timmy |
| 23:48.33 | JustinP | KenJlime: you can be an OE pusher, just put enought patches in the bugtracker and ask for commit access |
| 23:59.53 | KenJlime | JustinP: Yeah, will bother koen/mickey about it once they wake up.My patches are all mostly superh relative, so shouldnt risk breaking that much. |
