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| 00:19.11 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i create a changeset in monotone ala bitkeeper |
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| 01:25.54 | njs | monotone 0.26pre3 just released, btw -- http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.26pre3.tar.gz |
| 01:31.29 | njs | (for testing, since all that's left for 0.26 now is basically more testing) |
| 01:31.29 | njs | (no cherrypick command yet, sorry, maybe that will sneak in before the release, maybe not) |
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| 02:46.18 | france | koen: When you quit familiar, your account was removed from the project. With the improvements to the admin system it now disables accounts that are not part of any project. It means the improvements to the admin systema are working. Not an evil plot to get you. Had you just sent an e-mail inquiring about your account, it could have been easily corrected. |
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| 03:13.22 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i sent my monotone changeset in? |
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| 03:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm the interactive bitbake shell doesn't have a command to show depend trees |
| 03:29.45 | TheMasterMind1 | or dry runs |
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| 03:35.37 | TheMasterMind1 | why does python require tcl tk |
| 03:45.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to stop working on this stuff when everyone's asleep |
| 03:45.42 | johnX | I know what you mean |
| 03:53.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate how i can't ls -lrt to list most recently edited files |
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| 04:38.09 | johnX | is sourceforge cvs down again? |
| 04:39.35 | TheMasterMind1 | probably |
| 04:39.52 | johnX | wonderful |
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| 06:11.53 | TheMasterMind1 | so anyone played with modular xorg? |
| 06:18.05 | johnX | it builds by default from .dev now right? |
| 06:20.33 | JustinP | I believe so |
| 06:20.37 | JustinP | seems to work |
| 06:21.25 | johnX | it's on my Akita then I guess, but there was some issues that I think are unrelated to the xserver |
| 06:21.54 | johnX | I *was* building a new gpe-image but sf.net's cvs server is being a PITA so that's on hold for a bit |
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| 06:34.11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 06:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | its strangely setup, would be nice to get directories like x11-proto, x11-util x11-app etc so it corresponds more clearly to the new modular structure |
| 06:34.59 | TheMasterMind1 | and leave the old 6.x stuff in current xlibs xproto dir |
| 06:35.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know who to ask about that though, maintainer isn't set in any of the proto files |
| 06:36.11 | hrw | hi |
| 06:36.22 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: Ph5 is xorg hacker |
| 06:36.33 | TheMasterMind1 | is he usually in here? |
| 06:36.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen ph5 |
| 06:36.42 | ibot | ph5 <n=ph5@e178224012.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 6d 7h 58m 51s ago, saying: 'RP: At the same time as := expands (during parsing)'. |
| 06:37.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i'll try to track him down then |
| 06:37.30 | CIA-4 | 03lamikr 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r3c093c7b... 10/packages/gomunicator/gomunicator_cvs.bb: gomunicator: add gomunicator from dev to 083. |
| 06:37.34 | CIA-4 | 03lamikr 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re083a635... 10/conf/machine/h6300.conf: iPAQ h6300 conf: Fix the h6300 configuration. |
| 06:37.59 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: speaking about changesets->patches.. you can do 'monotone diff dir dir dir' or 'monotone log -rREVSION --diffs' |
| 06:39.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ok. so how do i find out what revision was once i commited |
| 06:39.36 | TheMasterMind1 | monotone status? |
| 06:41.29 | hrw | "mt log --last 1 --diffs" then if you commied |
| 06:42.03 | hrw | hmm. looks like OZ/OE team will get poodle from users soon.. but - who will work on it? |
| 06:43.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hrw: http://www.themastermind1.net/oe-03-30-2006-ipkg+qemu+vmware+grub.changeset |
| 06:47.27 | hrw | its for .dev - right? |
| 06:47.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 06:51.14 | hrw | I would split it into few parts: 1. vwmave machine support 2. grub 3. qemu* 4. ipkg |
| 06:52.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, makes sense. |
| 06:52.22 | TheMasterMind1 | so i want to un-commit on my end and then commit in parts? |
| 06:52.22 | hrw | 1,2 can get into OE as they are, 3 probably too - but 4th need explanations why it is needed |
| 06:53.02 | hrw | or save diff, split it into parts and then submit into OE bugzilla as separate wishlist/enhancment bugs |
| 06:53.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 06:55.56 | TheMasterMind1 | the ipkg patch prevents it from creating /usr/lib/ipkg on your harddrive and restricts it to the offline root directory specified with -o. 99.159 has the bug fixed but the patch introduced another bug which makes it unusable for creating a rootfs - i submitted that issue as a bugreport for ipkg |
| 06:57.51 | hrw | ah - then add info about it when will report patch |
| 07:02.20 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: http://pastebin.com/630346 - do you have any suggestions? |
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| 07:04.10 | Genesis | plop |
| 07:05.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm, nope. who made the original request for the hardware? |
| 07:06.00 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: users |
| 07:06.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, so no devs. maybe put it in the topic here / #oz and see if someone's interested? |
| 07:07.20 | TheMasterMind1 | the 5600 is pretty old, i thought we had good support for it already |
| 07:07.31 | hrw | that can be doen too but I want to post that pastebin for oz-devel and oe ML |
| 07:07.39 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: noone in OZ team have such machine |
| 07:07.53 | hrw | TheMasterMind1: we build it because we can |
| 07:08.13 | hrw | but now I have to go to work - cu in 30 minutes |
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| 07:38.49 | hrw|work | like I said - 30 minutes ;) |
| 07:39.03 | johnX | nah, my time stamps say 31 :P |
| 07:39.26 | hrw|work | 30 09:08 < hrw> but now I have to go to work - cu in 30 minutes |
| 07:39.26 | hrw|work | 30 09:38 < hrw|work> like I said - 30 minutes ;) |
| 07:39.29 | hrw|work | mine say 30 |
| 07:40.49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:41.31 | johnX | maybe my clock is just faster |
| 07:42.06 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 07:42.08 | pb_ | zecke: good morning |
| 07:44.49 | zecke | hey |
| 07:45.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the world awakens |
| 07:48.53 | zecke | TheMasterMind1: the world is at work |
| 07:50.37 | zecke | hmm I need to go home again, I forgot the tool to reset the device :} |
| 07:50.58 | pb_ | doh |
| 07:51.39 | zecke | pb_: well, and somehow fuel injection in my car is misbehaving... |
| 07:52.44 | pb_ | that is unfortunate |
| 07:52.58 | zecke | pb_: it decides to inject fuel at random... |
| 07:53.14 | pb_ | heh |
| 07:53.20 | zecke | quite funny if you drive 50 km/h and then the car starts shaking... |
| 07:54.08 | pb_ | yeah, that is no good |
| 07:54.18 | pb_ | I guess you will have to reverse engineer the software in the injector system |
| 07:54.31 | zecke | pb_: no kidding :) |
| 07:54.34 | johnX | maybe you need to flash a new image to the ECU? |
| 07:54.39 | pb_ | or just replace it with Opie-Injector |
| 07:54.43 | zecke | pb_: I have thought of upgrading the firmware :} |
| 07:55.49 | pb_ | zecke: does your car have a jtag port? |
| 07:55.55 | pb_ | it would be unfortunate to make it into a brick |
| 07:56.12 | zecke | pb_: well, I could buy a horse or two |
| 07:56.19 | zecke | pb_: and put it in front of that brick |
| 07:56.21 | pb_ | good thinking |
| 07:56.43 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 07:57.18 | zecke | hmm... I have such a good parking position I don't want to lose it |
| 07:57.27 | zecke | I might wait for the battery to... |
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| 07:57.54 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 07:58.04 | pb_ | heh |
| 07:58.22 | pb_ | hm, nearly 9am, I should go to work |
| 07:58.27 | pb_ | bbl |
| 07:58.35 | zecke | cya |
| 08:01.42 | njs` | FWIW, there's also now a linux x86 mtn 0.26pre3 binary posted... http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/mtn-0.26pre3-linux-x86.bz2 |
| 08:01.52 | njs` | (requires libstdc++6 be around) |
| 08:02.17 | zecke|stupid | njs`: hey, do you plan to release a changelog for pre2 as well? :) |
| 08:02.34 | njs` | zecke|stupid: hmm? |
| 08:02.41 | njs` | zecke|stupid: not sure what you mean :-) |
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| 08:03.19 | zecke|stupid | njs`: ignore me, I'm stupid :) |
| 08:03.19 | XorA | morning |
| 08:03.33 | zecke|stupid | njs`: I could have sworn NEWS.pre did not carry notes for pre2 :} |
| 08:03.40 | njs` | ah :-) scroll down! :-) |
| 08:03.54 | TheMasterMind1 | xorg is a pain, i have to add a bazillion bb files |
| 08:05.45 | zecke|stupid | njs`: I will give it a try :) (pre3) |
| 08:05.54 | njs` | cool, thanks! |
| 08:13.45 | zecke|stupid | *damn* |
| 08:14.08 | zecke|stupid | ~monday |
| 08:14.09 | ibot | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
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| 08:19.32 | zecke|stupid | now the car is not even starting anymore |
| 08:20.16 | johnX | that's less than optimal |
| 08:20.54 | zecke|stupid | johnX: I can't reset the phone because I need to get home, I can't get home because my car is broken |
| 08:20.58 | zecke|stupid | what a 'first' workday |
| 08:21.15 | hrw|work | zecke|stupid: first? |
| 08:21.25 | zecke|stupid | hrw|work: after a short break |
| 08:21.41 | zecke|stupid | hrw|work: all for my 'research' on DVB-H :} |
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| 08:23.47 | johnX | and sf's cvs server continues to be stupid while the current image from .dev flashed on my akita acts less than stable |
| 08:23.51 | johnX | it's a great day for everyone |
| 08:27.02 | johnX | bah...I give up. I might as well sleep. Maybe SF's cvs will be less stupid when I wake up |
| 08:27.11 | johnX | 'night all |
| 08:27.15 | zecke|stupid | johnX: cya |
| 08:27.36 | johnX | zecke|stupid: good luck with your car |
| 08:27.51 | zecke|stupid | njs`: mt-stdint.h why not mnt-stdint.h? |
| 08:28.43 | njs` | zecke|stupid: dunno, maybe someone will get annoyed enough to change it. that file's been around for yonks, and I was focusing on renaming the things that mattered :-) |
| 08:32.12 | koen | TheMasterMind1: isn't xorg7 in OE already? |
| 08:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | koen: xserver-kdrive is, xserver-xorg is not |
| 08:32.54 | TheMasterMind1 | xserver-xorg has additional dependencies beyond the ones added for kdrive |
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| 08:33.32 | koen | TheMasterMind1: beyond the bazillion ones in packages/xlibs? |
| 08:33.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yep, hard to believe eh |
| 08:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | most of the libs and protos are there, fonts data and apps are missing |
| 08:40.08 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the way to deal with source code dependencies? |
| 08:40.33 | TheMasterMind1 | xorg depends on mesa, but also needs the path to the mesa source directory passed as a ./configure argument |
| 08:41.05 | mndctrl | after updating my db and brach, bitbake myapp fails with ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output. I've also changed DISTRO from familiar, to familiar-unstable... |
| 08:41.09 | mndctrl | any ideas? |
| 08:41.15 | koen | TheMasterMind1: interesting question |
| 08:42.16 | XorA | ~lart my build machine for being missing |
| 08:44.04 | TheMasterMind1 | mndctrl: strange i compiled qemu just fine |
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| 08:45.40 | mndctrl | hmmm... |
| 08:45.52 | mndctrl | strange indeed... still failing :/ |
| 08:45.59 | hrw|work | if you have gcc4 as host then it will fail |
| 08:46.09 | hrw|work | if you do not have libsdl-dev on host it will fail |
| 08:46.31 | TheMasterMind1 | mndctrl: add EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-sdl" to your qemu.bb file |
| 08:49.25 | mndctrl | ok, I'll give it a try, tnx guys ;) |
| 08:57.21 | koen | http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2006/03/msg00058.html |
| 09:01.55 | zecke | njs`: I'm rosterifying OE.db now |
| 09:02.16 | njs` | zecke: cool |
| 09:02.51 | koen | psst, OE.mtn |
| 09:03.02 | njs` | oh, right |
| 09:03.07 | njs` | you mean, OE.mtn! |
| 09:03.14 | zecke | mtn --db OE.db db rosterify |
| 09:03.18 | zecke | works here :) |
| 09:03.41 | zecke | gosh svk is not even able to get the full log of the KDE svn repository |
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| 09:37.34 | NAiL | ooh |
| 09:37.36 | NAiL | fast bitbake |
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| 09:38.47 | zecke | NAiL: but broken :) |
| 09:40.13 | NAiL | 'tis? |
| 09:40.19 | NAiL | Haven't gotten to that part yet |
| 09:41.38 | zecke | NAiL: caching is broken |
| 09:42.38 | NAiL | but a one-shot build should be ok then? :) |
| 09:42.43 | zecke | yes |
| 09:44.12 | zecke | intel assembly is ugly |
| 09:45.13 | mithro | zecke: you mean x86? |
| 09:45.31 | zecke | mithro: *right* |
| 09:45.36 | zecke | mithro: even in AT&T style |
| 09:56.20 | hrw|work | x86.. AX, BX, CX, DX instead of normal r0-rX (or d0-dX + a0-aX).. |
| 09:59.59 | zecke | hrw|work: + stack pointer madness+ |
| 10:00.45 | hrw|work | zecke: and that need for remembering which register is for what... |
| 10:01.24 | hrw|work | but I never programmed x86 - semester of z80 asm was enough for me to not want to go into x86 asm.. |
| 10:01.40 | hrw|work | especially after m68k or pic16 asm |
| 10:04.02 | zecke | hrw|work: I had one term were I wrote lousy x86 assembly routines |
| 10:04.40 | hrw|work | monotone does notlike my home machine ;( |
| 10:04.46 | hrw|work | monotone: 996,4 k | 168,1 k | 842 | 198 | 39 |
| 10:04.49 | hrw|work | stuck |
| 10:04.57 | zecke | oh :( |
| 10:05.17 | hrw|work | yesterday it was stuck at 35 |
| 10:05.39 | hrw|work | I give 1h for it and then will fetch snapshot |
| 10:05.55 | koen | zecke: what do you think of waiting for monotone 0.27 before doing work on SCM migrating (be it to git,hg or monotone)? |
| 10:06.29 | mithro | pic16 ASM isn't to bad neither if m68k |
| 10:07.03 | hrw|work | mithro: exactly - z80|x86 are nightmare after them |
| 10:07.09 | hrw|work | I also liked 6502 asm |
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| 10:08.56 | mithro | arm isn't to bad |
| 10:09.35 | XorA | in fact my nick should give away my z80 roots :-) |
| 10:10.24 | zecke | RISC is generally nice |
| 10:10.41 | koen | XorA: did you hook up your Harry Potter set to a mindstorms unit already? |
| 10:10.58 | XorA | koen: I dont own a mindstorms :-( |
| 10:11.26 | koen | I'm trying to decide buy a second hand mindstorm and reflash it of wait for the nxt |
| 10:11.39 | XorA | koen: all my lego is still in boxes after moving, I just havent had time to rebuild it all |
| 10:11.53 | koen | mine is still at my parents |
| 10:12.08 | XorA | Ive got 3 generations of railway to build |
| 10:12.17 | koen | I still need to get rid of arcane computer junk to make room |
| 10:12.46 | koen | the uni bought >250 mindstorm units..... |
| 10:13.21 | XorA | koen: I only got my spectrums left after I got fedup of lugging the BBC Master, Electrons, amiga and other junk around |
| 10:14.15 | CIA-4 | 03nail 07org.oe.dev * r7bb71499... 10/packages/zd1211/ (14 files in 4 dirs): zd1211: Update to -r67, remove old cruft |
| 10:15.33 | TheMasterMind1 | silly question, what exactly is RDEPEND |
| 10:15.42 | koen | Runtime DEPENDS |
| 10:15.52 | hrw|work | TheMasterMind1: dependencies to get package running on target |
| 10:15.55 | koen | something the sharedlib magic doesn't pick up |
| 10:16.38 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 10:18.40 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.45 | hrw|work | small hostap change ;P |
| 10:22.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a package listed as a DEPEND, it should compile before the package which defines it as a DEPEND correct? |
| 10:23.34 | koen | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 10:23.54 | TheMasterMind1 | very strange |
| 10:24.17 | TheMasterMind1 | s there a way to get a dependency tree other than with -n |
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| 10:32.55 | do13 | Hi all |
| 10:33.02 | koen | hey Dirk |
| 10:33.13 | do13 | Hey koen |
| 10:34.41 | hrw|work | hi dirk |
| 10:35.02 | koen | man |
| 10:35.15 | do13 | hey Marcin |
| 10:35.18 | hrw|work | do13: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18471 should interest you |
| 10:35.25 | koen | it seems that anywhere you can post a comment on the oz website people will post comments |
| 10:36.01 | do13 | hrw|work: thx. I got emails from Radiance |
| 10:36.35 | zecke | koen: GPE 1.) is a known bug |
| 10:36.49 | zecke | koen: GPE 3.) well can't this be configured? |
| 10:37.18 | koen | zecke: 3) matchbox bug <- mallums problem |
| 10:37.35 | zecke | koen: what is XSETTINGS good for, if you can't change the selection color :} |
| 10:37.43 | do13 | hrw|work: A lot of work for only 4 weeks :) |
| 10:38.13 | do13 | hrw|work: I never tried a gpe image on tosa 2.6 |
| 10:38.41 | zecke | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 |
| 10:38.54 | zecke | ah, 0xffff is Qt::KeyUnknown |
| 10:41.26 | hrw|work | zecke: and? |
| 10:41.36 | zecke | hrw|work: well broken keymap :) |
| 10:41.49 | zecke | hrw|work: you ask the keyboard driver to change into a undefined row |
| 10:42.19 | zecke | hrw|work: and on release the modifier is a UnknownKey (it doesn't know the key was a modifier) |
| 10:42.33 | zecke | hrw|work: I'm waiting for a okay from ROAD to release a patch :} |
| 10:42.43 | zecke | hrw|work: I might take the three minutes to redo it though |
| 10:43.02 | hrw|work | zecke: so you have a fix for it already? |
| 10:44.13 | zecke | hrw|work: well, they keymap is broken :) |
| 10:46.11 | hrw|work | zecke: can you look at zaurus keymaps and provide patch for one of 2.4 ones (tosa preferred) and one of 2.6? |
| 10:46.21 | hrw|work | zecke: then I could look at fixing others |
| 10:47.08 | hrw|work | ~ewi |
| 10:47.10 | ibot | i guess ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
| 10:47.33 | TheMasterMind1 | meh. what step puts files into the staging area? |
| 10:47.42 | koen | TheMasterMind1: do_stage() |
| 10:48.29 | zecke | hrw|work: I prefer to provide a patch soon(tm) |
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| 10:48.42 | TheMasterMind1 | and when its not explicitly defined it doeswhat |
| 10:49.14 | hrw|work | zecke: ok |
| 10:49.40 | zecke | hrw|work: I remember to have fixed two issues |
| 10:49.47 | zecke | hrw|work: I will just refix them :} |
| 10:51.22 | hrw|work | I will have to decide how to release it.. 3.5.4.1 = 2.6.15+/clamshells - so 3.5.4.1 also as update for rest (hostap 0.4.7, fixed keymap problem in qt/e) or 3.5.4.2 for this or just upgrades |
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| 10:51.50 | do13 | hrw|work: I've never seen problems with the keymap under 2.6 |
| 10:52.51 | hrw|work | do13: but tosa/2.6 is future |
| 10:52.53 | zecke | do13: well, you might have not pressed too much modifiers :) |
| 10:53.37 | do13 | hrw|work: agreed |
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| 10:54.14 | do13 | Hi Liam |
| 10:54.16 | hrw|work | hi Liam |
| 10:54.29 | XorA | hey lrg |
| 10:54.31 | zecke | lrg: hey liam |
| 10:54.51 | koen | hey lrg |
| 10:55.20 | zecke | lrg: do you happen to know where the OSS ioctls are implemented in ALSA (oss emulation) |
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| 10:57.04 | zecke | wow http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html |
| 10:57.10 | zecke | that looks better than the TuxPhone |
| 10:58.36 | koen | indeed |
| 10:59.40 | do13 | koen: publish the link |
| 10:59.50 | zecke | "Please Note: The E3 is designed for installation in the UK ONLY. It will not operate on overseas telephone exhanges." |
| 11:00.40 | do13 | Grrr |
| 11:00.53 | koen | zecke: I suspect you need to swap two wires |
| 11:00.59 | zecke | ~lart UK for not obeying German Telephony standards |
| 11:01.06 | zecke | koen: yes I think it will be fairly easy |
| 11:01.11 | koen | zecke: which you have to do anyway for using stuff from .nl in .de |
| 11:01.59 | zecke | koen: luckily my vla never needed wires... |
| 11:03.04 | lrg | hey all |
| 11:03.09 | zecke | gosh I hate icq... |
| 11:03.23 | lrg | zecke, iirc in alsa lib |
| 11:03.41 | zecke | lrg: you don't happen to be familiar with that code? |
| 11:03.55 | do13 | lrg: Do you used the mask pin in another project? |
| 11:04.26 | lrg | zecke, the oss stuff, sorry no :( |
| 11:04.45 | lrg | do13, not yet, as the mainstone was not very noisy |
| 11:04.52 | zecke | koen: well g++ ABI changes because it was broken and now is broken in another way |
| 11:04.59 | zecke | koen: until some day it is right :) |
| 11:06.35 | do13 | lrg: Hmm I set mask, cleared Bit 4 in AC97_MISC_AFE and set Bit4 in AC97_GPIO_CFG but got alwyas timeouts :( |
| 11:07.17 | lrg | zecke, btw there is oss emu code in linux/sound/core/oss. |
| 11:07.49 | hrw|work | RDEPENDS_hostap-modules-cs = "hostap-modules (${PV}) hostap-conf" |
| 11:07.56 | hrw|work | it should be ok for ipkg? |
| 11:07.58 | lrg | do13, This looks like the pin is not signalling the codec. I wonder if it needs to be enabled anywhere ? |
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| 11:09.05 | koen | hrw|work: (>= ${PV}) iirc |
| 11:09.27 | do13 | zecke: pcm_oss.c? |
| 11:09.47 | lrg | do13, I'm checking datasheet.... |
| 11:10.22 | hrw|work | koen: no |
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| 11:10.32 | do13 | lrg: thx. I'll try to read the GPIO status |
| 11:10.35 | hrw|work | koen: hostap-modules-cs 0.4.7 need hostap-modules 0.4.7 |
| 11:10.47 | hrw|work | koen: I want to force same ver |
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| 11:18.13 | lrg | do13, I'm being called away now. I think your idea is correct to check the level of the pin. If the pins is signalling then it's a bug with the driver. be back in 1 hour. |
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| 11:18.50 | do13 | lrg: ok |
| 11:23.26 | TheMasterMind1 | man x is huge. i wish i could just use kdrive |
| 11:24.18 | zecke | TheMasterMind1: "x".islower() -> True |
| 11:24.39 | zecke | it might be huge, but it is not capital |
| 11:24.58 | koen | TheMasterMind1: you of course can use Xfbdev :) |
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| 11:25.55 | HuntrCkr | how can one check who is responsible for a certain package, lets say for instance opie-bluetoothmanager |
| 11:26.24 | koen | zecke: we could organize something to get E3s to interested people |
| 11:26.39 | hrw|work | HuntrCkr: MAINTAINER field |
| 11:26.46 | koen | HuntrCkr: grep MAINTAINER opie-bluetoothmanager*.bb |
| 11:27.15 | zecke | bitbake -i ... parse peek opie-bluetoothmanager MAINTAINER |
| 11:27.36 | XorA | koen: dont start me on new toys :-) |
| 11:27.40 | koen | zecke: that might be poluted by distros |
| 11:27.40 | ade|desk | koen: my local argos sells them for 30 quid |
| 11:27.48 | zecke | mithro: are you familiar with pickle and unpickle? |
| 11:27.55 | koen | ade|desk: you can only get them in the UK |
| 11:28.06 | zecke | ade|desk: how much euro are 30 quid? |
| 11:28.16 | hrw|work | ~change 30 gbp to eur |
| 11:28.25 | ade|desk | lol |
| 11:28.38 | koen | http://wiki.earth.li/E3_Buying_one |
| 11:29.03 | mithro | zecke: yes |
| 11:29.29 | ade|desk | me too |
| 11:29.33 | mithro | what do you want to know? |
| 11:29.48 | zecke | mithro: can I dump more than one object? |
| 11:29.56 | zecke | mithro: and in which order can I load them? |
| 11:30.23 | mithro | zecke: just put them in a list and dump the list |
| 11:30.35 | mithro | note you can't pickle a few things |
| 11:31.00 | zecke | mithro: the documentation is not saying that :} |
| 11:31.08 | zecke | mithro: I will put them in a tuple... |
| 11:31.19 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r9487dee9... 10/packages/hostap/ (hostap-utils_0.4.0.bb hostap-utils.inc hostap-utils_0.4.7.bb): added hostap-utils 0.4.7 |
| 11:31.24 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r24db71a5... 10/packages/hostap/ (8 files in 3 dirs): hostap-daemon: added 0.4.8 and unified patches for 0.4.4/0.4.8 |
| 11:31.26 | mithro | tuple, list little difference :P |
| 11:31.27 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rea6e3bbd... 10/packages/hostap/ (42 files in 9 dirs): |
| 11:31.28 | CIA-4 | hostap-modules: added 0.4.7 as default |
| 11:31.28 | CIA-4 | - hostap-modules-cs now RDEPEND on hostap-conf |
| 11:31.28 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.43 | zecke | mithro: right |
| 11:32.09 | mithro | zecke: what are you pickleing out of intrest? |
| 11:32.37 | zecke | mithro: bitbake is pickling |
| 11:32.53 | zecke | mithro: I pickle two more structures |
| 11:33.14 | zecke | mithro: and mickeyl showed my assumption didn't hold true (the assumption I could pickle any amount of data) |
| 11:33.25 | zecke | any amount of objects... |
| 11:33.32 | zecke | any amount of top level objects |
| 11:33.50 | zecke | any amount of not related top level objects... whatever *grin* |
| 11:33.59 | mithro | ? |
| 11:34.04 | mndctrl | crap, I've broken oe :/ |
| 11:34.59 | zecke | mndctrl: fix it :) |
| 11:35.52 | mndctrl | I'm trying ;) going with the 'monotone update -rjan2006prebreakage'... |
| 11:35.58 | mndctrl | lets see if it makes a difference ;) |
| 11:36.10 | zecke | mndctrl: ah you have broken your version of OE? |
| 11:36.24 | zecke | mndctrl: using BitBake trunk by chanche and cache is not working for you? |
| 11:36.56 | zecke | mithro: OT: Did you ever mix PyGame and WxWidgets? |
| 11:36.58 | mndctrl | I guess... bitbake whatever fails dramatically... |
| 11:37.02 | mndctrl | ;) |
| 11:37.15 | zecke | mndctrl: use pastebin to post your error |
| 11:37.33 | mndctrl | I will if the -rjan2006pre thing doesent help ;) |
| 11:37.42 | zecke | lol |
| 11:38.18 | mndctrl | While waiting for it I feel no guilt over surfing the web and dreaming the day away ;) |
| 11:38.32 | mndctrl | crap it finished :/ hehe... |
| 11:39.18 | mndctrl | hmmm, now I get: ERROR while parsing /path/to/every/.bbfie ? |
| 11:39.24 | mndctrl | clean cache? |
| 11:39.37 | hrw|work | mndctrl: too old OE + too new bitbake |
| 11:39.52 | zecke | mndctrl: take the offer, or don't take it.. |
| 11:40.00 | hrw|work | mndctrl: -rjan2006pre OE need old bitbake (r329 for example) |
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| 11:40.08 | mithro | zecke: btw why dont you put a version in the cache file? |
| 11:40.09 | zecke | mndctrl: use pastebin instead of wrongly summarising errors |
| 11:40.38 | zecke | mithro: the cache is broken regardles of the version :) |
| 11:40.40 | mndctrl | zecke: hehe ;) okok... I'm sorry... but cleaning cache helps for now.. I'll use pastebin next time... |
| 11:41.03 | zecke | mndctrl: reading short anouncements on bitbake-dev and oe mailinglist helps as well |
| 11:41.23 | zecke | mithro: the only proper solution would be to go through the legals departments |
| 11:41.35 | mndctrl | zecke: sounds like me getting confused ;) |
| 11:41.49 | zecke | mithro: bitbake should have a way to spread news, let the people print that, hand it over to the legal department |
| 11:41.56 | zecke | mithro: and they will read it to you :) |
| 11:43.05 | zecke | mndctrl: do you use BitBake trunk? |
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| 11:45.00 | zecke | yeah finally this battery is running flat |
| 11:45.27 | mithro | zecke: ?? |
| 11:45.35 | zecke | mithro: ah you missed that |
| 11:45.53 | zecke | mithro: I was at my grand parents until yesterday. Now I want to get some work done for a deadline tomorrow |
| 11:46.27 | zecke | mithro: I drive to the 'office', just to crash one device, while the tool to reset it is at home, I go back to my car, the car isn't starting anymore |
| 11:46.41 | zecke | mithro: now I'm waiting for the unit to turn off, so I can restart it |
| 11:47.11 | mithro | - legal deparments? |
| 11:47.20 | zecke | mithro: ah okay |
| 11:47.38 | zecke | mithro: well, I wonder how to distribute 'NEWS' |
| 11:48.03 | zecke | mithro: mailing to mailing lists is not enough, I do not expect any user to say thank you, or to recognize bitbake being ueberfast |
| 11:48.24 | zecke | mithro: but I expect them to get some basic informations, I thought mailinglists could be enough - they aren't |
| 11:49.00 | zecke | mithro: I'm considering writing an anouncement framework... |
| 11:49.16 | zecke | mithro: bitbake would get news, and use OSD, printers, blinken lights etc |
| 11:49.28 | zecke | mithro: to signalise that some information must be read... |
| 11:49.46 | zecke | mithro: and then a little game is played to 'test' if the information has been read... |
| 11:49.51 | zecke | *frustrated* |
| 11:51.20 | zecke | mithro: well and I think the Legal Department is the only institution that is actually reading |
| 11:52.36 | mndctrl | zecke: since I don't know what bitbake trunk is, I guess not... |
| 11:52.46 | zecke | mndctrl: which version of bitbake do you use? |
| 11:53.49 | mndctrl | zecke: 1.3.3 ? |
| 11:54.22 | zecke | mndctrl: okay *nevermind* |
| 11:54.22 | mndctrl | revision 422 or something... I just did a svn today... |
| 11:54.29 | mndctrl | zecke: ok, hehe ;) |
| 11:54.33 | zecke | mndctrl: well, not nevermind |
| 11:54.41 | zecke | mndctrl: svn info | grep -i trunk |
| 11:55.06 | mndctrl | URL: svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/trunk/bitbake |
| 11:55.28 | mndctrl | thats the only output... |
| 11:55.53 | zecke | mndctrl: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bitbake-dev/2006-March/000212.html |
| 11:55.59 | zecke | mndctrl: or how to waste my time :} |
| 11:57.23 | mndctrl | aha, are there a way do downgrade my bitbake then? |
| 11:58.20 | do13 | mndctrl: svn up -r418 |
| 11:58.41 | mndctrl | do13: tnx ;) |
| 12:05.32 | TheMasterMind1 | is there dry run functionality (-n) in the interactive shell (-i) |
| 12:06.23 | hrw|work | no |
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| 12:20.38 | mndctrl | hehe, this whole day went while struggeling with getting oe and bitbake working properly together... :/ But I learned a bit more about the workings of the two ;) |
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| 12:30.15 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:31.21 | mndctrl | chouimat: morning ;) |
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| 12:43.45 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 12:44.27 | RP | morning all |
| 12:44.50 | lrg | hey Richard |
| 12:44.50 | ade|desk | morning |
| 12:45.17 | koen | hey Pigi |
| 12:45.35 | Pigi | hey koen. How things are going ? |
| 12:45.53 | koen | Pigi: pretty good. How's life in italy? |
| 12:46.49 | Pigi | Fine thanks. I'm having a really hard period at work, and that is good, and bad. But a part for not having more spare time, everyhing it's OK.... |
| 12:47.09 | ade|desk | when stuff is put into staging and get gets stuffed in to staging/bin is it supposed to go into staging/foo_arch-linux/bin or can it just be left as is ? |
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| 12:48.09 | RP | ade|desk: Its supposed to get into foo_arch-linux |
| 12:49.16 | ade|desk | ah ok, for an autotooled native package whats the best way to push it into foo_arch-linux ? |
| 12:51.05 | ade|desk | its only binaries wtf |
| 12:51.10 | ade|desk | btw even |
| 12:51.50 | RP | ade|desk: Here, the binaries make it into i686-linux so it appears to work in at least some cases... |
| 12:52.53 | ade|desk | RP: it has worked for most packages alas not for this one :( |
| 12:54.09 | RP | ade|desk: Sounds like its autotooling isn't quite right :-/ |
| 12:54.21 | ade|desk | looks like bash, dbus-1 fail a little and put stuff in staging/etc , perl5 puts things in random places too |
| 12:54.32 | ade|desk | RP: indeed |
| 12:55.00 | RP | We do need to try and track down the offenders and fix the packages... |
| 12:55.06 | ade|desk | quilt is another |
| 12:55.29 | XorA | RP: some sort of LD_PRELOAD sandbox before do_install() |
| 12:56.42 | RP | ade|desk: The main problem looks like /etc |
| 12:56.59 | Pigi | ~seen pb_? |
| 12:57.03 | ibot | pb_ is currently on #gpe (1d 21h 20m 45s) #oe (1d 21h 20m 45s). Has said a total of 61 messages. Is idling for 4h 58m 36s, last said: 'bbl'. |
| 12:57.30 | ade|desk | local, share are perl problems |
| 12:57.34 | ade|desk | var is dbus |
| 12:58.02 | ade|desk | cd .. |
| 12:58.05 | ade|desk | lol |
| 12:58.34 | RP | ade|desk: Placing etc, var, info and man there is by design looking at native.bbclass |
| 12:58.52 | RP | "Architecture independent paths" |
| 12:59.31 | ade|desk | does native.bbclass need to learn about a tidy staging ? |
| 13:01.13 | koen | OE has to learn about a tidy staging :) |
| 13:04.03 | RP | ade|desk: It could be argued the current behaviour is correct. I don't like it though... |
| 13:04.26 | ade|desk | RP: yeah its correct, yet wrong ;) |
| 13:11.18 | pb__ | hi pigi |
| 13:12.27 | mithro | can somebody give me a fast internet |
| 13:12.40 | mndctrl | mithro: here you go.. |
| 13:13.27 | XorA | mithro: go to a shop and buy the internet, its so much easier :-) |
| 13:15.17 | mndctrl | I guess you would need a storage-facility also... |
| 13:16.21 | TheMasterMind1 | XorA: i'll sell you the complete internet dvd set |
| 13:17.04 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: wicked, can I have the pr0n edition? |
| 13:17.21 | TheMasterMind1 | sure |
| 13:17.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i have a bridge i want to sell you too |
| 13:17.45 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: nah, we sold ours to the yanks |
| 13:18.17 | TheMasterMind1 | | fc-case.c:(.text+0x1e5): undefined reference to `__ctype_b' |
| 13:18.22 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea what would cause that? |
| 13:18.56 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: hacking with glibc internals Redhat stylee? |
| 13:19.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm running gentoo.. its occuring on the fontconfig-native compile |
| 13:19.43 | Pigi | hi pb__ ! |
| 13:20.15 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: I run on gentoo and havent seen that one, but I cannot currently check as my house is in powercut |
| 13:20.25 | TheMasterMind1 | Pigi: hey, thanks for getting that bug taken care of |
| 13:20.37 | Pigi | TheMasterMind1, np. |
| 13:20.50 | TheMasterMind1 | well i haven't updated glibc in a while (cuz its takes forever to compile) so maybe'll ill emerge and try again |
| 13:21.05 | Genesis | RP, http://dev.aimao.org/poky/ |
| 13:21.13 | Pigi | TheMasterMind1, fwiw I've released 0.99.160 ( not too much fixes tough ) |
| 13:21.48 | Pigi | pb__ do you remember when we discussed about the removal of a package before upgrading ? ( a.k.a. the infamous bug ? ) |
| 13:22.12 | TheMasterMind1 | Pigi: yea i saw CIA report it earlier tonight. going to add .160 to OE because both .154 and .159 were having offline root issues |
| 13:23.57 | RP | Genesis: Neat :) |
| 13:24.31 | Pigi | you suggested me to use the "remove_data_files_and_list" function which is good, but do you think it could be usefull to remove also "maintainer_scripts_except_postrm" and "postrm" just to be sure that every single file of previous package has been removed ? |
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| 13:24.52 | Pigi | TheMasterMind1, ok. I think I will add a couple more of fixes in few time. |
| 13:27.43 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: Im on 2006.0 |
| 13:27.55 | XorA | TheMasterMind1: on an X86_64 |
| 13:28.56 | RP | Genesis: Could you also dump your shell environment to a file please? |
| 13:29.43 | Genesis | yeap |
| 13:30.28 | TheMasterMind1 | XorA: i'm on 2004.something or other |
| 13:31.06 | Genesis | http://dev.aimao.org/poky/shellenv.txt |
| 13:33.51 | RP | Genesis: I think the problem is coming from libXsettings |
| 13:34.30 | Genesis | i think too |
| 13:35.06 | Genesis | same error on my home and work machines |
| 13:36.36 | RP | Genesis: There is a reference to /usr/X11R6/lib in build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libXsettings-client.la which is where I suspec the problem comes from |
| 13:38.10 | RP | Genesis: As a test, try removing that reference from that file and contiuing the build |
| 13:38.24 | Genesis | ok |
| 13:38.38 | RP | If that works, we can at least blame a particular package :) |
| 13:40.17 | Genesis | that seems to work :O |
| 13:40.36 | Genesis | arf i should really learn more about find/grep |
| 13:40.45 | Genesis | my syntax was wrong |
| 13:41.09 | Genesis | i also try to configure beagle for the multifile searsh |
| 13:41.31 | RP | Genesis: The real question now is why did it put that there in the first place... |
| 13:41.56 | Genesis | yeap |
| 13:42.58 | Genesis | i should see on the old version first |
| 13:44.29 | RP | Genesis: Looking at tmp/work/libxsettings-client/Makefile, it has references to /usr/X11R6 in X_LIBS and C_LIBX |
| 13:44.42 | RP | X_CFLAGS even |
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| 13:58.39 | RP | Genesis: I think this will fix it properly: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/libxsettings_fix-r0.patch |
| 14:02.44 | Genesis | noticed , ive a look after that after |
| 14:10.16 | Genesis | i'll have more time for OE if i succeed to port it for my board :) |
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| 14:16.50 | pb__ | zecke: is your car working again now? |
| 14:16.57 | pb__ | Pigi: yeah, I remember that |
| 14:17.13 | Pigi | pb_ you suggested me to use the "remove_data_files_and_list" function which is good, but do you think it could be usefull to remove also "maintainer_scripts_except_postrm" and "postrm" just to be sure that every single file of previous package has been removed ? |
| 14:17.24 | zecke | pb__: I guess not. It is not using Windows Mobile for Cars yet |
| 14:17.31 | zecke | pb__: so it lacks the autorepair functionality |
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| 14:22.55 | HuntrCkr | grrrr :( |
| 14:24.00 | HuntrCkr | the maintainer for most of the opie packages is the opie mailing list (opie@handhelds.org)... if i try and send an email to that address, it comes back with (you are not allowed to post to this mailing list), so how exactly do you contact them? |
| 14:24.27 | zecke | HuntrCkr: subscribe to opie-devel :) |
| 14:24.40 | zecke | HuntrCkr: alternatively if you want to file a bug use opie-bugs.oszine.de |
| 14:24.58 | zecke | HuntrCkr: or just ask your question here, or in #opie |
| 14:25.05 | HuntrCkr | thanks zecke... finally, a useful answer :) |
| 14:25.34 | zecke | HuntrCkr: don't be too shy :) |
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| 14:38.05 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: bastard :) |
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| 14:50.55 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 14:51.04 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
| 14:54.53 | CIA-4 | 03ade 07org.oe.dev * rfb0a7d68... 10/packages/qemu/qemu-qop-nogfx-native_svn.bb: qemu: add a differing native qemu that works with gcc4, arm support only atm |
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| 15:09.47 | Genesis_ | RP, : is there a trick to pass the crosshairs calibration screen in qemu ? |
| 15:10.03 | Genesis_ | my initrd seems to fork fine :) |
| 15:14.34 | RP | Genesis_: The trick is to disable it |
| 15:14.50 | RP | Genesis_: We need to find a nice way to do this :-/ |
| 15:15.09 | Genesis_ | yeap |
| 15:15.20 | Genesis_ | add pointeur emulation in qemu ? |
| 15:15.50 | Genesis_ | stilet |
| 15:15.56 | RP | Genesis_: The board we're meulating doesn't have a touchscreen so this is tricky. Mouse emulation is already there |
| 15:16.06 | Genesis_ | yeap |
| 15:16.12 | Genesis_ | with good eyes |
| 15:16.21 | Genesis_ | we can see a little pixel :p |
| 15:17.16 | Genesis_ | but more than mouse emulation , stylet emulation will see the cross only when we 'll click on the right button for example |
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| 15:21.47 | Genesis | sorry |
| 15:48.23 | mickeyl | hi guys |
| 15:48.29 | koen | ey mickeyl |
| 15:48.46 | NAiL | hi mickeyl |
| 15:48.52 | Genesis | yo mickeyl |
| 15:49.26 | NAiL | I've looked at the configure sources, but I can't figure out what's wrong. Looks like a normal case-statement to me. |
| 15:50.23 | koen | NAiL: I had the same problem |
| 15:50.39 | koen | NAiL: I assumed the EABI stuff broke it |
| 15:50.49 | koen | apparently it's a general problem |
| 15:51.28 | NAiL | hmm |
| 15:52.07 | mickeyl | works for me |
| 15:52.18 | NAiL | koen: What distro are you running? |
| 15:52.27 | koen | debian on the host |
| 15:52.33 | koen | angstrom-2006.9 in OE |
| 15:52.44 | koen | debian testing iirc |
| 15:52.58 | NAiL | I'm running ubuntu dapper |
| 15:53.00 | NAiL | ie, testing |
| 15:53.10 | NAiL | And I think it suddenly broke a while back |
| 15:54.13 | koen | iirc mickeyl uses mandriva |
| 15:54.29 | mickeyl | righto |
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| 15:58.18 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ra2b816a5... 10/packages/qt/ (11 files in 4 dirs): qt-x11-free: upgrade to 3.3.6 and 4.1.1 respectively |
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| 16:18.07 | Pigi | later all |
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| 16:26.00 | Genesis | bonne soiree |
| 16:30.19 | CoreDump|home | hmm now what was the command to revert a revision |
| 16:30.31 | CosmicPenguin | rm -rf |
| 16:30.41 | koen | monotone disapprove <rev> |
| 16:31.02 | koen | which in this case will create an extra head which you need to merge |
| 16:31.17 | koen | I usually get lazy and just fix it by hand and commit |
| 16:31.24 | CoreDump|home | koen: thanks |
| 16:31.30 | NAiL | revert as in undo the changes locally, or a commit? |
| 16:31.40 | koen | NAiL: a commit |
| 16:31.45 | NAiL | ah |
| 16:32.20 | NAiL | ~lart tcl for whatever makes it fail to build |
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| 17:59.59 | koen | oooooh |
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| 18:00.01 | koen | http://xaos.tenmei-pl.org/oz/bootsplash-landscape.png |
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| 18:01.01 | CosmicPenguin | purty |
| 18:01.23 | zecke | hehe |
| 18:01.35 | zecke | nice |
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| 18:09.38 | zecke | RP: have you finally implemented parallel builds? |
| 18:09.46 | zecke | RP: It can't be too hard |
| 18:12.40 | CoreDump|home | koen: sweet! |
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| 18:16.15 | zecke | koen: I think you know it already, caching if bitbake is fixed again |
| 18:16.23 | koen | zecke: cool! |
| 18:16.28 | zecke | koen: it would be nice if you could confirm that building glibc is way faster |
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| 18:17.57 | cedric_ | RP: hi |
| 18:17.57 | cedric_ | hi all... |
| 18:18.06 | koen | hey cedric_ |
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| 18:19.52 | zecke | wow debian will break evolution for everyone :) |
| 18:21.02 | koen | indeed |
| 18:21.07 | koen | thanks to glice |
| 18:21.22 | zecke | ? |
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| 18:22.56 | hrw | re |
| 18:23.09 | zecke | wb |
| 18:23.21 | hrw | network outage at work |
| 18:23.36 | zecke | hrw: no Audi for you :) |
| 18:24.42 | pb_ | zecke: you make it sound like evolution wasn't broken to start with |
| 18:24.58 | koen | zecke: debian breaks due to the new glice allocator in glib |
| 18:25.10 | zecke | koen: right :) |
| 18:25.35 | zecke | well not even the evil KDE think tank could have plotted that better |
| 18:25.48 | koen | :) |
| 18:25.52 | zecke | one should put a SUGGESTS Kontact into the evolution package |
| 18:25.57 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
| 18:26.41 | zecke | koen: glice is not enabled on Ubuntu? |
| 18:27.14 | koen | zecke: I suspect the ubuntu people just use a matching evo build |
| 18:27.16 | RP | hi cedric_ |
| 18:31.23 | RP | zecke: It will happen the moment I get enough free time :) |
| 18:31.44 | koen | zecke: bitbake is also slow again |
| 18:32.07 | koen | 4m45.909s/1m2.738s |
| 18:32.16 | koen | uncached/cached |
| 18:32.32 | zecke | koen: ewi is busy |
| 18:33.02 | zecke | RP: hehe take a day off :) |
| 18:33.09 | RP | Its just started running quite fast for me. I think I have disk IO problems on my server :-/ |
| 18:33.37 | zecke | RP: as Schilling would say, try to use a supported OS |
| 18:33.43 | zecke | RP: like solaris 2.x |
| 18:34.27 | hrw | cu |
| 18:34.35 | mickeyl | cu marcin |
| 18:34.54 | RP | zecke: in a minute you'll tell me Macs rule as well ;-) |
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| 18:35.20 | zecke | RP: Darwin/OSX have awesome tools |
| 18:35.26 | RP | hi cedric_ |
| 18:35.29 | zecke | RP: but disk io seems poor like on any laptop |
| 18:35.45 | koen | threading sucks on osx |
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| 18:35.51 | koen | as will all microkernels |
| 18:36.01 | RP | zecke: use lots of memory as a disk cache |
| 18:36.10 | koen | s/will/with |
| 18:36.22 | RP | my laptop flies with the old bitbake - haven't tried the new version on it :) |
| 18:36.26 | zecke | I have tried running dope in qemu |
| 18:36.59 | mickeyl | oh apropos qemu |
| 18:37.12 | mickeyl | RP, could you give me some hints how to go on after having build an image for qemuarm? |
| 18:37.20 | mickeyl | i.e. how to start that beast? |
| 18:37.34 | RP | mickeyl: Its actually on the OE wiki :) |
| 18:37.37 | mickeyl | oops |
| 18:37.45 | zecke | vim src/kernel/qgfxraster...cp |
| 18:37.46 | koen | mickeyl: MACHINE=qemu-arm :) |
| 18:37.51 | zecke | vim src/kernel/qcolor.h |
| 18:37.54 | TheMasterMind1 | when compiling fontconfig-native OE is passing the font config directory in my cross staging area as a include argument to gcc, causing the compile to fail later on at linking |
| 18:38.56 | RP | mickeyl: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/UsefulConfigurations which links to a webpage of mine |
| 18:39.07 | mickeyl | aaah, right. thanks |
| 18:40.02 | TheMasterMind1 | how does autotools know where to look for include dirs and where not to |
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| 18:40.38 | zecke | RP: " qemu are know" is a 'n' missing there? |
| 18:41.36 | RP | zecke: thanks, fixed :) |
| 18:42.01 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: sorry, i have no idea. i don't even remember who our autofoo wizard was |
| 18:42.05 | mickeyl | was that kergoth by chance? |
| 18:42.28 | RP | mickeyl: We really need to have some patches for that machine to disable the touchscreen and enable the mouse for both opie and gpe |
| 18:42.57 | zecke | mickeyl: yes kergoth and pb_ are GNU utils experts |
| 18:43.01 | mickeyl | RP: right. |
| 18:43.09 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 18:43.19 | Crofton | any autoconf gurus handy? |
| 18:43.22 | polyonymous | TheMasterMind1, I think it's something in auto* switches. |
| 18:43.24 | zecke | RP: can qemu do PS2 mouse input? |
| 18:43.38 | neuromancer | hi |
| 18:43.42 | RP | zecke: It already does, and it works under kdrive nuder gpe |
| 18:43.51 | RP | zecke: but we hide the cursor :) |
| 18:43.52 | polyonymous | TheMasterMind1, And yes, aclocal *IS* auto* :) |
| 18:44.02 | koen | hrm |
| 18:44.04 | koen | that's a bug |
| 18:44.09 | zecke | RP: ah we need to set QWS_MOUSEROTO and compile the cursor into QtE |
| 18:44.16 | koen | gpe should only disable the cursus when it finds a touchscreen |
| 18:44.34 | neuromancer | anyone her, who could help with some pkg-config/bitbake oddities? |
| 18:44.40 | RP | koen: Its a bug then. It should also only run xtscal if it finds a touchscreen really... |
| 18:44.45 | TheMasterMind1 | but i have no switches.. i'm just calling autotools_do_install |
| 18:44.49 | Ken|JLime | whats the command again to update the package list? |
| 18:44.59 | koen | RP: heh, indeed |
| 18:45.07 | koen | Ken|JLime: bitbake package-index |
| 18:45.09 | RP | mickeyl, zecke: We also have a problem with colours under opie. The framebuffer is BGR instead of RGB |
| 18:45.11 | Ken|JLime | ah, thx man |
| 18:45.11 | zecke | RP: Opie shows a Calibration when a QCalibratedMouseHandler is used |
| 18:45.12 | polyonymous | TheMasterMind1, Well, I was talking about autotools, not how they're used in OE tree... |
| 18:45.57 | neuromancer | liek why "pkg-config --variable=foodir package" prepends the staging dir? |
| 18:46.03 | zecke | RP: that sounds challenging enough |
| 18:46.06 | polyonymous | TheMasterMind1, I believe if OE has its own auto* then it should look in their install directories by default. |
| 18:46.19 | zecke | RP: do you plan to implement the PXA270 fb for qemu? |
| 18:46.29 | zecke | RP: I want to toy with overlays :) |
| 18:46.37 | lamikr | wow, the locale glibc stuff was marvelous, the time of first boot dropped from 25 min well under 5 in fam083 & h6300. |
| 18:46.47 | RP | zecke: I'd like to. See my time problem again :} |
| 18:47.19 | RP | zecke: Will QWS_MOUSEROTO mean the call to QCalibratedMouseHandler isn't used? |
| 18:47.23 | zecke | RP: time, time, time... |
| 18:47.29 | pb_ | lamikr: excellent |
| 18:47.42 | zecke | RP: It smells like TPanel is set as mouse proto |
| 18:48.07 | zecke | RP: which will select a QCalibratedMouseHandler :) |
| 18:48.34 | zecke | RP: hmm I need to get my paper into a 'releasable' state until tomorrow |
| 18:48.36 | RP | zecke: I don't know what I'm doing with qte ;-) |
| 18:49.19 | zecke | RP: wait until I have time :} |
| 18:49.33 | gremlin[it] | zecke i had same problem on a ep93xx arch ... :( |
| 18:49.43 | zecke | gremlin[it]: what problem? |
| 18:49.56 | gremlin[it] | no calibration is performed ;( |
| 18:50.02 | zecke | gremlin[it]: check TT's QWS documentation |
| 18:50.13 | zecke | gremlin[it]: well, we have a different issue with qemu |
| 18:50.35 | gremlin[it] | ops ok sorry |
| 18:50.53 | zecke | gremlin[it]: export QWS_MOUSE, QWS_MOUSE_PROTO or QWS_MOUSEPROTO to TPanel |
| 18:50.57 | zecke | gremlin[it]: and tslib will be used |
| 18:51.19 | zecke | cya later :) |
| 18:51.28 | zecke | koen: bitbake -b foo -cclean |
| 18:51.37 | zecke | koen: cleans all dependencies? |
| 18:51.46 | koen | zecke: what the hell is git doing? |
| 18:52.07 | koen | (except for using 100% cpu and loads of IO) |
| 18:52.15 | zecke | koen: tailor |
| 18:52.44 | zecke | screen 21611.pts-1.bitbake |
| 18:52.52 | zecke | you can CTRL+C it if you want to |
| 18:53.16 | koen | naa, I'm just waiting for some idle time to do another bitbake test |
| 18:53.19 | gremlin[it] | zecke nope, no tslib support for rustom ts interface :) |
| 18:55.15 | mickeyl | zecke: will you come to LinuxTag this year? |
| 18:55.34 | zecke | mickeyl: I asked yesterday if we should try to get a OE workshop done |
| 18:55.50 | zecke | mickeyl: but I think I could get there for a couple of days |
| 18:56.33 | mickeyl | it's in Wiesbaden this year |
| 18:59.25 | zecke | right :) |
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| 19:06.19 | zecke | need to write some more |
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| 19:10.05 | mickeyl | sounds familiar to me |
| 19:10.08 | mickeyl | *cough* |
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| 19:25.34 | Crofton | write more what? |
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| 19:40.59 | likewise | all: What is a simple OE conf I can start with and that works? I have tried numerous so far, they all fail in some spot. |
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| 19:44.22 | likewise | all: Can someone explain me this error: /home/leon/sandbox/openembedded/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/armeb-linux/4.0.2/../../../../armeb-linux/bin/ld: unrecognised emulation mode: armelf_linux |
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| 19:49.42 | neuromancer | anyone here using 2.6.16 on a PXA270? |
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| 19:52.24 | koen | neuromancer: pH5 and RP might |
| 19:52.32 | neuromancer | koen, thanks |
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| 19:53.22 | neuromancer | koen, well thing is i was wondering if someone is using the EABI, and which CFLAGS to use (failed trying a coupleof different ones ... :( |
| 19:53.40 | koen | neuromancer: DISTRO=angstrom-2006.9 |
| 19:53.50 | koen | that will set up an EABI toolchain |
| 19:53.56 | neuromancer | hmm |
| 19:54.10 | greentux | ~ibot |
| 19:54.11 | ibot | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:54.14 | neuromancer | yeah, that was what i was reading from the conf files |
| 19:54.40 | koen | sine you need glibc and gcc for EABI it isn't a matter of cflags |
| 19:54.44 | neuromancer | but stupid as i am i wanted to give gcc 4.0.2 or 4.1 a try |
| 19:54.45 | koen | s/sine/since/ |
| 19:54.55 | koen | EABI only works with 4.1 |
| 19:55.03 | neuromancer | and which flags? |
| 19:55.16 | koen | (not quite true, since it doesn't have thumb interwork enabled) |
| 19:55.32 | koen | neuromancer: no cflags, it does eabi by default |
| 19:55.46 | neuromancer | it does? |
| 19:55.54 | koen | yes |
| 19:56.10 | neuromancer | even if i don't define -mabi=aapcs or iwmmxt |
| 19:56.12 | neuromancer | hmm |
| 19:56.13 | koen | run the arm<foo>-objumb -x on it |
| 19:56.31 | neuromancer | neat |
| 19:56.42 | neuromancer | so everything i ought to do is use 4.1? |
| 19:56.55 | koen | just use that angstrom distro |
| 19:57.05 | koen | it's quite complicated |
| 19:57.12 | neuromancer | well .. |
| 19:57.27 | neuromancer | the angstromdistro isn'tusing the standardgcc |
| 19:57.46 | koen | 'standard'? |
| 19:58.06 | koen | it's using the only gcc in OE that has eabi support |
| 19:58.14 | neuromancer | hmm |
| 19:58.15 | koen | can't get more standard that that |
| 19:58.38 | neuromancer | well i thought i readsomewhere that they were using somekind of patched gcc ... |
| 19:58.49 | koen | no we aren't |
| 19:58.50 | neuromancer | i'll give it a try then ... |
| 19:59.19 | neuromancer | :) |
| 19:59.19 | neuromancer | good |
| 19:59.20 | koen | (yes it's patched, but not patch hell like the csl one) |
| 19:59.22 | koen | same goes for the glibc |
| 19:59.27 | neuromancer | sure |
| 19:59.28 | likewise | koen: what would hold me from trying 4.1 for say an IXP4xx platform? |
| 19:59.47 | neuromancer | koen, any downsides so far? |
| 19:59.48 | koen | likewise: nothing |
| 19:59.48 | likewise | (except for my newbie-ness in OE) :-/ |
| 20:00.03 | koen | neuromancer: problems with pthread and lack of testing |
| 20:00.34 | neuromancer | well testing could be something i could waste my time on ... |
| 20:00.40 | koen | neuromancer: the company doing the EABI stuff make money supporting their own toolchain, so they don't care much about 'upstream' |
| 20:00.45 | neuromancer | but define problems with pthread ... |
| 20:00.49 | koen | s/make/makes/ |
| 20:01.03 | koen | neuromancer: mickeyl|bbl mentions something with pthread |
| 20:01.31 | koen | pH5 got it booted into X on his ipaq |
| 20:01.53 | neuromancer | hmm |
| 20:02.13 | neuromancer | so you suggest i should get started with angstrom.conf ? |
| 20:02.24 | neuromancer | or the 2006-9.conf ? |
| 20:03.44 | koen | neuromancer: ? |
| 20:04.13 | koen | 21:53 < koen> neuromancer: DISTRO=angstrom-2006.9 |
| 20:04.29 | koen | set that, set your MACHINE and do 'bitbake <something' |
| 20:04.35 | koen | <something> |
| 20:05.40 | neuromancer | ok |
| 20:06.31 | neuromancer | so essentially these 2angstrom files (angstrom.conf and angstrom-2006.9.conf) hold what i needto make my own distro ready for EABI :) |
| 20:06.44 | koen | yes |
| 20:07.01 | likewise | koen: spawning a build also, MACHINE=ixp4xx, DISTRO=angstrom-2006.9 |
| 20:07.40 | koen | likewise: cross your fingers and toes, since I suspect armeb wasn't high on CSL's priority list |
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| 20:09.07 | likewise | koen: ah yes. well all the others builds I tried failed for me as well :-/ |
| 20:09.14 | neuromancer | koen, thanks@ |
| 20:09.36 | koen | likewise: I haven't built for ixp4xx for a while |
| 20:09.49 | likewise | koen: I have been busy filling the bug databases :-) |
| 20:09.53 | koen | :) |
| 20:10.29 | likewise | koen: Don't you guys have bug-squash days on IRC? |
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| 20:10.36 | koen | we have |
| 20:10.44 | koen | but not recently |
| 20:10.46 | likewise | The threshold for fixing bugs via the bug database is a bit high. |
| 20:11.07 | Ken|JLim1 | Where can i find a usefull setup for running multiple targets (HP jornada 6xx/7xx) for my distro? |
| 20:11.33 | koen | Ken|JLim1: see angstrom.conf how to include multimachine |
| 20:11.39 | Ken|JLim1 | oki, thx |
| 20:11.42 | likewise | koen: On the wiki there is a page about a .nl meeting in Eindhoven. Do you know anything about this? |
| 20:12.38 | koen | likewise: that was a while ago (I got sick right before) |
| 20:12.51 | koen | likewise: it would be a nice idea to organize a new one |
| 20:12.55 | koen | ~seen gerwinin |
| 20:12.58 | ibot | gerwinin <n=gerwinin@ip5457b30e.direct-adsl.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 6d 22h 1m 51s ago, saying: 'My boss bought eight licenses and 1 of them I send back to micro$oft '. |
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| 20:14.24 | Ken|JLim1 | If i decide to put a copy of my repository (org.openembedded.dev / build ..) in a different dir, do i need to change anything to my OE.db? |
| 20:14.45 | koen | Ken|JLim1: no |
| 20:14.54 | koen | Ken|JLim1: and you can use a buildscript like this: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/file.psp?id=ea6e3bbdf7bb7190ff6a5c4b061fc6abb83a6907&path=contrib/buildscripts/openzaurus/build-oz.sh |
| 20:33.17 | likewise | koen: indeed: GCC 4.1.x for ARM fails for BE: /home/leon/sandbox/openembedded/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/armeb-linux/4.1.0/../../../../armeb-linux/bin/ld: unrecognised emulation mode: armelf_linux |
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| 20:33.40 | likewise | koen: I think I had the same fault with 4.0.2 earlier. |
| 20:33.45 | koen | hrm |
| 20:36.18 | likewise | koen: and right under: Supported emulations: armelfb_linux armelfb |
| 20:36.38 | likewise | (which is more promising I guess) |
| 20:36.45 | koen | I guess |
| 20:36.57 | koen | I don't even know what that error means |
| 20:38.22 | likewise | koen: lennert to the rescue: http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.42/patches/gcc-3.4.2/gcc-3.4.0-arm-bigendian.patch |
| 20:38.59 | kergoth | that patch was in oe, i take it nobody looked at which of the 3.4.x patches, if any, were still needed in 4.x |
| 20:39.11 | koen | hey kergoth |
| 20:39.14 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:39.40 | woglinde | hey kergoth |
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| 20:41.25 | pb_ | hi kergoth, woglinde |
| 20:41.37 | woglinde | hi pb |
| 20:41.39 | Stephmw | hey pb_, kergoth |
| 20:41.47 | pb_ | yo stephmw |
| 20:42.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:42.44 | Stephmw | all I can say is that encrypted rom images stink... |
| 20:42.46 | Stephmw | bleh. |
| 20:43.05 | pb_ | suck |
| 20:43.31 | Stephmw | my dreams of flashing a consumer device with the kit at work... *sigh* |
| 20:43.57 | Stephmw | different certificates for r&d and release... hw based too :( |
| 20:53.33 | likewise | Stephmw: What hardware are you looking at? |
| 20:54.03 | Ken|JLim1 | I copied my current 6xx folders and created new 7xx (changed local.conf) but it looks like it is draging some files from the old 6xx folders.? |
| 20:54.10 | likewise | kergoth: I am now testing the patch... it needs a bit more fuzz than default, so I had to manually do it... |
| 20:54.14 | Stephmw | likewise, no specific model :) |
| 20:54.20 | Stephmw | likewise, and def not linux based |
| 20:54.25 | koen | Ken|JLim1: BBPATH and BBFILES? |
| 20:54.46 | likewise | Stephmw: is that bad? I like QNX as well :-) |
| 20:55.07 | Stephmw | likewise, naw, it's just not an open source platform (and no, not windows either) |
| 20:55.17 | Ken|JLim1 | I've changed the BBPATH, not BBFILES though. How should i do that? |
| 20:55.17 | Stephmw | likewise, but I can't be too specific |
| 20:56.29 | Ken|JLim1 | Ah doh |
| 20:56.39 | Ken|JLim1 | your are right Koen, i hadnt changed BBFILES |
| 20:56.40 | Ken|JLim1 | thx |
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| 21:04.13 | koen | Ken|JLim1: I've walked into that soooo many times... |
| 21:25.28 | TheMasterMind1 | is there a way to escape a # |
| 21:27.54 | pb_ | in what context? |
| 21:28.26 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 21:29.00 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 21:29.32 | CosmicPenguin | You cannot escape the # |
| 21:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | it will hunt you down and kill you |
| 21:32.54 | TheMasterMind1 | darn |
| 21:32.55 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 21:33.29 | CosmicPenguin | I was just kidding |
| 21:33.33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure you can escape the # |
| 21:33.35 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:34.10 | pb_ | heh |
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| 21:36.22 | pb_ | tmm1: what are you actually trying to accomplish? |
| 21:36.39 | pb_ | in terms of the bitbake parser, I don't think you can escape a #, but I can't immediately think of any reason you'd want to |
| 22:15.13 | reenoo | france_: so I have heard yeah. I love his work on behavior based robotics. ("Planning is just a way of avoiding figuring out what to do next.") |
| 22:15.31 | reenoo | err wrong channel |
| 22:15.47 | france_ | reenoo: exactly.. it is ok, I am flexible... |
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