| 00:02.33 | jt_dnb | ok |
| 00:08.05 | uE | jt_dnb: But if you want to provide your own compiler then use the ASSUME_PROVIDED variable. |
| 00:15.25 | uE | jt_dnb: Its use is described in the example local.conf. |
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| 08:44.10 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:44.15 | hrw|work | ~curse debian transitions |
| 08:44.17 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, debian transitions ! |
| 08:47.50 | hrw|work | gcc4, xorg, gcc4 again, freetype - soon 'unstable' will be so fscked that upgrading will need solid cherrypicking.. |
| 08:48.49 | hrw|work | 5 versions of KDE are available for debian - none installable |
| 08:52.24 | freethinker | hi hrw, you came so early today. |
| 08:54.18 | hrw|work | freethinker: deadline for website |
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| 09:07.30 | hrw|work | hi Lrg |
| 09:07.54 | lrg|home | hrw|work: morning |
| 09:08.14 | hrw|work | Liam is scottish name? |
| 09:08.33 | lrg|home | iirc it's Irish |
| 09:09.07 | hrw|work | ah good to know |
| 09:09.32 | lrg|home | It's short for William |
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| 09:11.52 | hrw|work | argh... I suspect that someone broke cifs/smbfs in 2.6.15-rc |
| 09:12.41 | hrw|work | no it was lack of coffee |
| 09:13.18 | v8jlene | hrw|work: That'll do it all right ;) |
| 09:15.30 | hrw|work | ~lart kwallet |
| 09:15.58 | hrw|work | fscking kwallet from time to time decide to forgot all passwords.. |
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| 09:17.04 | hrw|work | lovely situation.. I have a tool to remember passwords but that tool decides to forget them so I have to re-login... |
| 09:17.07 | hrw|work | argh.. |
| 09:17.26 | v8jlene | Well, makes your passwords secure from being stolen I guess. "The wallet subsytem provides a convenient and secure way to loose all your passwords"... |
| 09:19.09 | _law_ | hey hrw|work i have got a little problem with local.conf |
| 09:20.01 | _law_ | BBFILES = "${PKGDIR}/*/*.bb ${LAWPKGDIR}/*/*.bb" doesnt work :-( |
| 09:20.11 | hrw|work | and? |
| 09:21.04 | _law_ | PKGDIR = "/home/law/work/programming/zaurus/oe/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages"LAWPKGDIR = "/home/law/work/programming/zaurus/oe/oe/law-packages" |
| 09:21.40 | hrw|work | thats two separate lines? |
| 09:22.00 | _law_ | hrw|work, found the error thanks |
| 09:22.19 | hrw|work | and it was? |
| 09:23.36 | _law_ | i have copy and paste the 2 lines yesterday and put the 2 lines into one |
| 09:23.50 | _law_ | the terminal shows 2 lines |
| 09:24.03 | _law_ | because it was too small :-) |
| 09:25.09 | _law_ | now i can build my gnome-bluetooth .bb files :-) |
| 09:25.10 | hrw|work | thats where ":set number" in vi comes with help |
| 09:25.26 | _law_ | hrw|work, you are right |
| 09:25.36 | hrw|work | brb - have to relogin to get kwallet working again |
| 09:25.45 | hrw|work | ~die kde madafackers |
| 09:25.46 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head, murders kde madafackers then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
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| 09:26.48 | hrw|work | re |
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| 09:27.11 | _law_ | hrw|work, kde 3.5? |
| 09:27.24 | hrw|work | _law_: kde at all |
| 09:27.34 | RP | I have some bad news. We use twice as much power when suspended under 2.6 on the c7x0 than under 2.4 :-( |
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| 09:28.10 | kergoth | ack |
| 09:28.15 | hrw|work | RP: ;( |
| 09:28.33 | hrw|work | kergoth: how goes dns moving for openembedded.org? |
| 09:28.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 09:28.53 | kergoth | i did that last week. i'd think it would have propogated by now |
| 09:29.02 | RP | We also use loads more power when idle, when booting or when doing most other things. We've got some improving to do... |
| 09:29.04 | kergoth | works here |
| 09:29.16 | hrw|work | o.. works. sorry |
| 09:29.17 | v8jlene | RP: Using the same setting of HZ in both? |
| 09:29.43 | RP | v8jlene: Arm has never changed its HZ value that I know of... |
| 09:30.38 | v8jlene | RP: Ok. That's the only power related thing I remember people complaing about on lkml. (I don't use ARM myself). |
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| 11:11.59 | RP | koen: I know the feeling... |
| 11:12.29 | koen | luckily I only have to see it twice for my image run |
| 11:12.38 | koen | one for arm and one for armv5 |
| 11:13.17 | RP | I really need to sort out multi machine builds now I have a few devices... |
| 11:14.25 | koen | include multimachine.inc and have a script like this: http://pastebin.com/443381 |
| 11:15.47 | hrw|work | koen: so your build have mixed pacakges? one for arm4, other for arm5? or each one for arm4 and arm5? |
| 11:17.02 | koen | bitbake doesn't know that armv5 can run armv4, so all those packages are duplicated |
| 11:17.37 | hrw|work | ok |
| 11:18.32 | koen | so I end up with 2*needed packages instead of 7*needed packages |
| 11:18.53 | hrw|work | in angstrom (when finally it starts) how much sa11xx machines we will get? collie/h3600/maybesimpad only? |
| 11:19.16 | koen | that would be my guess |
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| 11:27.59 | NAiL | omg |
| 11:28.04 | NAiL | the nas200d costs a fortune |
| 11:28.51 | NAiL | hmm |
| 11:28.54 | NAiL | wrong channel :P |
| 11:34.38 | koen | NAiL: is that a ppc or armeb device? |
| 11:36.34 | koen | wtf? |
| 11:36.41 | koen | a p4 2ghz is a NAS?!?! |
| 11:37.18 | NAiL | heh |
| 11:37.19 | NAiL | yeah |
| 11:37.30 | NAiL | and it runs wintendo :P |
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| 11:38.49 | koen | my god |
| 11:38.57 | koen | who whould think of that? |
| 11:39.32 | NAiL | if it didn't cost a fortune, it'd be interesting. But it costs waaay too much. You can build a box for 1/3rd of the price and get a better nas |
| 11:40.58 | koen | http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews/images/scrnshots/iomega_nas200d/iomega_200d_128M_read.png is a pretty interesting graph |
| 11:42.14 | NAiL | ooh |
| 11:42.40 | koen | the terastation looks interesting |
| 11:43.33 | lrg|home | RP: I'm about to cc you on an alsa email. |
| 11:44.23 | NAiL | the terastation looks kinda like the Synology DS101g+ |
| 11:45.00 | NAiL | double ram, four P-ATA channels |
| 11:45.38 | NAiL | and doesn't appear to be sold in .no |
| 11:46.34 | RP | lrg|home: ok |
| 11:46.48 | koen | I'm looking for something to replace my 8x80GB raid 5 |
| 11:46.51 | RP | koen: Thanks for the updated script - I think I remember seeing one of your older ones :) |
| 11:47.03 | koen | after 2 years most fans are getting louder... |
| 11:47.09 | NAiL | koen: ah, in that case, the terastation looks nice |
| 11:47.23 | NAiL | I'm hoping to get my DS101 running soon |
| 11:48.00 | koen | RP: I'm thinking of expanding it for kernel 2.4/kernel 2.6 on multible machines |
| 11:48.13 | koen | but that will require some thought on how to handle that |
| 11:49.04 | RP | koen: yes. The different dependencies will make that tricky... |
| 11:49.56 | koen | I think you need an extra 'bitbake zaurus-updater (-c clean)' in that script |
| 11:50.36 | koen | where 'that' is the pastebin one |
| 11:52.55 | koen | LOL |
| 11:52.58 | koen | 'Please, backup your /home/root/.xinitrc before installing wmaker-pdaxrom.' |
| 11:53.21 | koen | there is a good reason why packages shouldn't touch $HOME |
| 11:53.32 | hrw|work | koen: user-friendliness roxx |
| 11:53.55 | RP | lrg|home: Has Giorgio had a change of heart about ASoC? |
| 11:54.16 | RP | lrg|home: I don't follow alsa-devel very closely :-/ |
| 11:56.28 | lrg|home | RP: looks like it. He's submitting code that is teid to pxa2xx and not really platform independent :( |
| 11:56.51 | do13 | Hi all |
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| 11:57.18 | lrg|home | RP: he has even re written Nico's pxa dma driver.. |
| 11:57.26 | hrw|work | hi Dirk |
| 11:58.02 | do13 | hi Marcin |
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| 12:09.47 | RP | hi dirk |
| 12:10.16 | RP | lrg|home: At least it doesn't look destined for mainline. I'd like to know why he didn't use Nico's DMA code... |
| 12:11.05 | lrg|home | RP: me too, although some one else did point that out to him on the list |
| 12:12.27 | do13 | hi Richard, Liam |
| 12:12.55 | lrg|home | hi Dirk |
| 12:13.18 | hrw|work | wow.. I looked at KAutoBuild - all ARM machines have the same status |
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| 12:18.11 | RP | hrw|work: -rc3 was a bit of a disaster for arm :) |
| 12:18.41 | RP | hrw|work: I'm hopeful the build after this will make the Zaurii look good though |
| 12:20.41 | hrw|work | I see |
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| 12:40.14 | ade|desk | does oz354 with 2.6 kernel still need the 2.95 toolchain ? |
| 12:42.47 | RP | ade|desk: no |
| 12:44.50 | ade|desk | RP: cheers |
| 12:58.26 | luke-jr_ | ade|desk: IIRC, nothing w/ 2.6 kernels have ever needed 2.95... |
| 12:58.48 | hrw|work | ~zauruskernels |
| 12:58.50 | ibot | somebody said zauruskernels was By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26 |
| 13:00.29 | luke-jr_ | hrw|work: ... |
| 13:12.49 | hrw|work | , |
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| 13:17.25 | ade|desk | omg, thought i'd try a build on an old system rather than my system and just leave it for a while, its taken 27mins just to parse 70% of the bbs |
| 13:18.03 | ade|desk | might get an image sometime late december |
| 13:19.17 | ade|desk | lol its a P2-400 |
| 13:19.36 | hrw|work | wow.. p2/400.. |
| 13:19.49 | hrw|work | friend builds familiar on such hardware... |
| 13:23.31 | koen | ade|desk: if you time it right you'll have a nice christmas present ;) |
| 13:24.06 | koen | fwiw, I use OE on a 266MHz armv5eb cpu |
| 13:24.12 | koen | that's slooooooow |
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| 13:32.13 | ade|desk | lol missing "/" in local.conf for DL_DIR , and reparsing again |
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| 13:40.16 | koen | for monotone-challenged people: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/org.openembedded.oz354fam083-20051130.tar.bz2 |
| 13:42.49 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rad0e8641... 10/: simpad.conf: apply 2.4/2.6 selector from .dev |
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| 13:48.54 | Cobelius | I currently try to write the metainfo for a hardware |
| 13:49.09 | Cobelius | ic have written the machine file and now writing the descripton for the kernel |
| 13:49.35 | Cobelius | when I try du make 'bitbake bootstrap-image' bitbake gives me the following output |
| 13:49.41 | Cobelius | http://pastebin.com/443484 |
| 13:50.02 | Cobelius | the machine configuration is called coolfox-II.conf |
| 13:50.27 | Cobelius | http://pastebin.com/443487 |
| 13:50.55 | Cobelius | an the kernel .bb file is called coolfox-II-kernel_2.4.27.bb |
| 13:56.52 | koen | Cobelius: you were missing and R : http://pastebin.com/443494 |
| 13:58.44 | zecke_ | hey |
| 13:59.13 | Cobelius | ahh i c |
| 13:59.14 | Cobelius | thank you |
| 14:03.45 | NAiL | I guess it's time I have a go at creating a machine as well |
| 14:04.26 | Crofton | machine.conf? |
| 14:06.57 | zecke_ | koen: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/tmp/pcourse.pdf ;) |
| 14:07.29 | koen | hey zecke |
| 14:09.51 | zecke | koen: translations, opie-lupdate and lrelease are Qt3 apps |
| 14:10.12 | koen | but qt3 is too slow!!! |
| 14:10.20 | koen | and gpl is about open source!!!! |
| 14:10.43 | zecke | koen: this is why we run it on your berfast desktop qtopia gadget |
| 14:10.51 | koen | </trolltech propaganda> |
| 14:11.23 | zecke | koen: luckily we don't need to talk about Miguel's, Ximian's and RedHat FUD's |
| 14:11.30 | koen | heh |
| 14:11.52 | hrw|work | zecke: nice pdf.. |
| 14:12.00 | zecke | I wonder if Miguel drops out of the GNOME Foundation Board... |
| 14:12.01 | koen | Ximian Mexico is pretty cool |
| 14:12.22 | zecke | koen: they have an office there? |
| 14:12.24 | koen | they gave me pizza :) |
| 14:12.34 | koen | zecke: yes |
| 14:13.25 | koen | the front: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/MexicoGulev2005/IMG_1785 and inside: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/MexicoGulev2005/IMG_1784 |
| 14:14.12 | zecke | koen: well they should have given you nachos |
| 14:14.36 | zecke | koen: hmm doesn't look too beautiful |
| 14:14.39 | TyggerBob | hey.. Koen has a Canon digital camera.. which model? |
| 14:14.42 | zecke | koen: but pizza sounds good ;) |
| 14:15.04 | koen | TyggerBob: those pictures were made with a ixus 400 |
| 14:15.23 | koen | TyggerBob: as the exif beneath the picture says ;) |
| 14:15.43 | zecke | koen: I do not think your QtE criticism is valid (most of the time) you should try it with Qtopia |
| 14:15.43 | TyggerBob | Ahh.. uses the same file format as the Canon |
| 14:15.59 | zecke | koen: there are so many contradictions you could attack |
| 14:16.45 | koen | I don't think a 400MHz vga machine with 4GB of diskspace is embedded |
| 14:17.01 | zecke | koen: maybe implanted in the future |
| 14:17.05 | koen | ergo qt is the right choice for that, not qt/e |
| 14:17.30 | TyggerBob | Doh, the ixus is a Canon.. |
| 14:17.32 | TyggerBob | :) |
| 14:17.44 | Crofton | hmmm, new version of monotone out |
| 14:19.11 | TyggerBob | nice shots, koen |
| 14:19.29 | hrw|work | speaking about qt/e... I still dont know does it have working font substitutions.. manual say that it has but all tests fails |
| 14:19.33 | hrw|work | my tests |
| 14:24.02 | zecke | hrw|work: hmm not something as powerful as fontconfig |
| 14:24.38 | hrw|work | zecke: all I want is 'give me first monospaced when I request monospaced' |
| 14:25.01 | hrw|work | zecke: without it we have fscked opie-console or have to supply 'fixed' font |
| 14:25.38 | zecke | hrw|work: definately it can not do that |
| 14:25.56 | zecke | well 'fix' it by calling monospaced fixed |
| 14:26.08 | koen | fonts are fluff |
| 14:26.18 | koen | lets remove them to get a lean and mean opie again |
| 14:28.09 | zecke | koen: Maemo is crap it can not run on my eight segment display |
| 14:28.19 | koen | :) |
| 14:28.46 | koen | 'some parts are more opensource than others' |
| 14:29.02 | zecke | hrw|work: qfontdatabase.cpp looks pretty dumb to me (without Xft) |
| 14:30.21 | koen|uni | ERROR: log data follows (/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/work/arm-linux/opie-aboutapplet-1.2.1-r1/temp/log.do_patchcmd.29485) |
| 14:30.25 | koen|uni | | Importing patch /home/koen/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/opie-aboutapplet/./add-hrw-to-authors.patch (stored as add-hrw-to-authors.patch) |
| 14:30.28 | koen|uni | | cp: cannot stat `/home/koen/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/opie-aboutapplet/./add-hrw-to-authors.patch': No such file or directory |
| 14:30.31 | koen|uni | | Failed to import patch add-hrw-to-authors.patch |
| 14:30.32 | koen|uni | hrw|work: could you add that patch? |
| 14:33.18 | hrw|work | forgot? argh... |
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| 14:35.15 | hrw|work | will add (have to pull branch first) |
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| 14:39.55 | chouimat | monotone is slow |
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| 14:44.24 | zecke | wb koen|uni |
| 14:44.45 | hrw|work | koen|uni: pushed to ewi |
| 14:44.51 | koen|uni | hrw|work: ok |
| 14:46.03 | koen|uni | starting the build again |
| 14:48.59 | koen|uni | crap, I forgot to bring a notebook |
| 14:49.15 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r8eb564cd... 10/: opie-aboutapplet: added forgotten patch |
| 14:50.30 | hrw|work | added opie-notes to branch |
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| 15:16.31 | obi | hi |
| 15:17.03 | obi | i have a patch which fixes a build failure for gcc-cross |
| 15:17.22 | obi | or - to be more accurate - an install failure |
| 15:17.22 | koen|uni | attach it to the bugtracker |
| 15:18.10 | zecke | obi: please use bugs.openembedded.org ;) |
| 15:18.28 | zecke | obi: will you be at the 22c3? |
| 15:19.09 | obi | maybe, i don't know yet |
| 15:21.07 | obi | wouldn't it be easier to send the patch to somebody who already has a bugtracker login? :) |
| 15:21.22 | obi | it's a one liner |
| 15:22.27 | obi | http://saftware.de/patches/gcc-package-cross.inc.diff |
| 15:22.54 | obi | libgcc_s.so.* is moved to ${D}${target_base_libdir} some lines above that |
| 15:23.37 | zecke | obi: well mail me ;) |
| 15:24.09 | zecke | obi: well I guess thank you ;) |
| 15:24.44 | obi | :-) |
| 15:26.39 | zecke | obi: I will need to get home before I can push this change |
| 15:27.09 | obi | no problem, i think the bug was there for years |
| 15:29.16 | Cobelius | Are students also pay the fee like a pupil? |
| 15:29.23 | Cobelius | Or do they have to pay the normal fee? |
| 15:29.26 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:30.00 | zecke | Cobelius: which fee? |
| 15:30.09 | zecke | Cobelius: I think we pay the normal fee at 22c3 |
| 15:30.24 | zecke | Cobelius: even disabled/handicapped get no discount |
| 15:30.38 | Cobelius | so the 75 euro |
| 15:35.47 | zecke | or you could join the club ;) |
| 15:37.14 | zecke | http://www.trolltech.com/company/careers/brisbane.html#position1 |
| 15:37.25 | zecke | Who wants to be the "International World LEader" |
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| 15:43.55 | chouimat | zecke: sound like a very demanding job ... |
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| 15:47.49 | CSMan | hello. i just got an OE.db snapshot (couldn't get monotone to work on my box). I'm trying to patch a package, besides bitbake , what else do i need, and how do i apply a patch ? |
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| 15:55.24 | koen|uni | NOTE: package opie-image-1.0-r19: task do_rootfs: started |
| 15:55.34 | koen|uni | it's working again for h3600 |
| 15:57.22 | zecke | koen|uni: http://www.trolltech.com/company/careers/brisbane.html#position1 |
| 15:57.38 | zecke | koen|uni: take that ;) |
| 15:57.55 | CSMan | are there any tar.gz snapshots of OE ? |
| 15:58.19 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: heh - you made it sound like a threat... :) |
| 15:58.44 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: use your imagination, koen as a world leader paid by Trolltech |
| 15:58.51 | zecke | ;) |
| 15:58.57 | koen|uni | muhahahahaha |
| 15:59.15 | zecke | CSMan: you want a tar.gz of the current checkout? |
| 15:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | And the KDE world shivers in fear |
| 16:00.06 | CSMan | zecke: i have a problem with the latest monotone (the one that connects) with freebsd 5.4 , so i can't install that version. |
| 16:00.14 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: Ximian/Novell should have bought Trolltech ;) |
| 16:00.22 | CSMan | I'm trying to install a ready package, and work with a downloaded .db snapshot |
| 16:00.29 | CSMan | i guess that'll be a workaround |
| 16:00.33 | zecke | CSMan: I can't follow you, sorry |
| 16:00.43 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: heh - that would have been scary. Remember the last time a company from Utah had that much power? |
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| 16:01.04 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 16:01.09 | zecke | I'm too young for that |
| 16:01.48 | CSMan | atm, i can only get monotone 0.16 |
| 16:02.05 | zecke | CSMan: My FreeBSD has monotone .23 from the ports |
| 16:02.16 | CSMan | zecke: 5.4 ? |
| 16:02.40 | zecke | CSMan: yes but 'current' ports |
| 16:02.46 | CSMan | ah |
| 16:02.55 | zecke | CSMan: and the static monotone 0.22 worked too |
| 16:03.02 | CSMan | i'm using RELEASE |
| 16:03.20 | CSMan | zecke: but again, from 'current' |
| 16:03.36 | zecke | CSMan: building using OE on FreeBSD is still troublesome though |
| 16:04.09 | CSMan | ok, i'll switch to native. hopefully there is some monotone ipkg |
| 16:04.27 | zecke | CSMan: http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.20-freebsd4.11-x86.bz2 |
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| 16:05.38 | CSMan | k, thanks |
| 16:08.04 | chouimat | RELEASE is 6.0 now ... 5.4 is legacy 4.11 is even more legacy current is 7.0 iirc |
| 16:08.39 | zecke | chouimat: right |
| 16:09.51 | chouimat | try to understand why his old p200mmx doesn want to get updated this morning ... it's just a test box and my second dns but I like when it works |
| 16:13.00 | lrg|home | RP: some good news. audio pm is now working. just cleaning up now. ac97 is also supported so tosa support should be trivial |
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| 16:15.24 | CSMan | chouimat: it's nice to work with legacy hardware =) |
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| 16:17.53 | CSMan | HAH! this old monotone doesn't have a checkout command =| |
| 16:18.11 | CSMan | nm |
| 16:19.11 | zecke | CSMan: I'm confident it does have one ;) |
| 16:19.49 | CSMan | yeah, i think i'm trying not in the right order (makes me remember trying to ls path/to/this -rtl in freebsd =P |
| 16:24.47 | CSMan | zecke: thanks for the link. monotone 0.16 is definitely OLD |
| 16:27.40 | zecke | right |
| 16:27.50 | zecke | cvsup ports-cvsupfile ;) |
| 16:31.07 | chouimat | CSMan: yup ... |
| 16:32.21 | CSMan | zecke: i tried that, i tried portupgrade, and i tried portmanager. The dependency icu fails to build. |
| 16:33.40 | CSMan | anyway, i checked out the snapshot, i can't find minimo in it =( |
| 16:34.01 | CSMan | found it =P |
| 16:34.30 | CSMan | but it's empty =| |
| 16:34.53 | CSMan | maybe it's here when i should checkout from mozilla.org, right ? |
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| 16:39.17 | CIA-8 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rc4da1177... 10/: |
| 16:39.19 | CIA-8 | boost-jam-native: release 3.1.11 |
| 16:39.21 | CIA-8 | boost: release 1.33.0 |
| 16:39.34 | CIA-8 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rebcf7913... 10/: monotone-5: release 0.24 |
| 16:45.51 | RP | lrg|home: I've never dared hope for pm sound support :) |
| 16:45.58 | RP | that is great news... |
| 16:47.16 | XorA|gone | ~hail lrg|home |
| 16:47.18 | ibot | ACTION bows down to lrg|home and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:47.25 | lrg|home | RP: i've only tested against ac97 as my i2c setup is a little flakey when the power is switched, but it should work with i2c codecs. |
| 16:47.39 | RP | lrg|home: We'll soon find out ;-) |
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| 16:57.58 | do13 | lrg|home: Where is the patch? :) |
| 16:58.34 | lrg|home | do13: I'm just cleaning up. Give me about 2 hrs (I've also got some support todo) |
| 16:58.56 | lrg|home | incinerator: going to xmas meal tomorrow ? |
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| 16:59.23 | incinerator | hi liam, yes I will |
| 16:59.36 | lrg|home | incinerator: see you there |
| 17:00.16 | lrg|home | incinerator: what pda do you have ? |
| 17:00.40 | incinerator | Zaurus SL-860, shepherd? boxer? |
| 17:01.05 | incinerator | and a Palm Tungsten T3, as well |
| 17:01.48 | lrg|home | incinerator: can you bring them tomorrow night. |
| 17:02.01 | incinerator | Sure, can do |
| 17:02.08 | lrg|home | cool |
| 17:02.22 | incinerator | However, I have cacko running on the zaurus atm |
| 17:02.40 | incinerator | and palm os on the T3, the Linux port hasn't progressed that far, yet... |
| 17:02.59 | incinerator | any extra gear I should bring along? wifi card etc.? |
| 17:03.40 | lrg|home | noclouds, I just want a look at the SL-860. thanks |
| 17:03.54 | lrg|home | oops wrong person |
| 17:04.31 | incinerator | ah ok |
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| 17:05.17 | do13 | lrg|home: Thats ok. I have to leave for 3 hrs. Thanks. |
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| 17:05.54 | lrg|home | do13: I'll do the touch pm tomorrow |
| 17:08.07 | do13 | lrg|home: ok |
| 17:16.18 | Tygger_Bob | anyone having problems building a gpe image from .dev? |
| 17:16.33 | Tygger_Bob | I keep getting problems with the orinoco-0.15 modules |
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| 17:21.11 | TyggerBob | rehi |
| 17:21.32 | _law_ | i have updated to .dev git3 kernel now i get this: mmc0: unrecognised SCR structure version |
| 17:21.35 | _law_ | any ideas |
| 17:21.46 | _law_ | sd doesnt work |
| 17:24.04 | RP | _law_: Did that card used to work? |
| 17:25.01 | _law_ | RP: with kernel 2.6.14-rc2 it worked |
| 17:25.45 | RP | _law_: I'd try the -rc2 kernel and see if that fixes it... |
| 17:26.18 | RP | _law_: sd works here (on -rc2) |
| 17:26.29 | _law_ | RP: i know :-( |
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| 17:44.55 | Cobelius | bye |
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| 18:16.09 | _law_ | sound also doesnt work :-( |
| 18:16.26 | _law_ | which soundmodule do i need for my sl-760c? |
| 18:16.46 | RP | _law_: The wm8731 one |
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| 18:19.25 | lrg|home | _law_: I'm starting to make sound module selection more automatic i.e. it depends on your selected machine |
| 18:20.12 | jt_dnb | what is the importance of the oe.db file? |
| 18:20.32 | _law_ | whats kernel-module-snd-soc-wm8731-2.6_2.6.14-git3-r6_c7x0.ipk ? |
| 18:20.35 | _law_ | soc? |
| 18:21.17 | lrg|home | _law_, SoC = System on Chip, it's the sound driver for the wm8731 codec |
| 18:21.20 | koen | SystemOnaChip |
| 18:21.38 | _law_ | so i need both? |
| 18:21.47 | lrg|home | yes, |
| 18:21.50 | _law_ | kernel-module-snd-soc-wm8731-2.6_2.6.14-git3-r6_c7x0.ipk kernel-module-wm8731-2.6_2.6.14-git3-r6_c7x0.ipk |
| 18:22.54 | lrg|home | _law_, you may want to wait until ASoC 0.8 is released later today. RP will the add it to the kernel. |
| 18:24.04 | RP | _law_: You'll need most of the snd modules the kernel builds |
| 18:24.37 | RP | _law_: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/inssound is a good hints file :) |
| 18:24.38 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r8b8aeff1... 10/: gpe-session-scripts 0.66: remove fontfix patches since we're going to use 100DPI in the release |
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| 18:29.33 | Mardy | hi |
| 18:29.34 | RP | lrg|home: I'm off out for a while - I'll put any patches on the server when I see them though |
| 18:29.43 | lrg|home | cheers |
| 18:32.52 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r51fcedab... 10/: |
| 18:32.54 | CIA-8 | xserver-common: set dpi to 100 for every device because most programs assume 96 dpi |
| 18:32.56 | CIA-8 | ~lart stupid assumptions |
| 18:33.24 | gints | koen: thks for archive :) |
| 18:33.38 | jt_dnb | how long does monotone --pull typically take? |
| 18:35.54 | koen | from scratch? |
| 18:38.06 | _law_ | will there be an sd support again? |
| 18:42.59 | jt_dnb | i downloaded the OE.db.bz2 file, checked out org.openembedded.dev |
| 18:44.22 | koen | in that case a few minutes |
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| 19:14.03 | _law_ | is there an mmc db anywhere on my Z? an other mmc works and on my collie both work fine? |
| 19:14.08 | _law_ | mmc0: unrecognised SCR structure version |
| 19:15.22 | mickeyl | good evening |
| 19:15.32 | _law_ | hi mickeyl |
| 19:16.10 | koen | hey mickeyl |
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| 19:25.16 | mickeyl | I'm a bit disappointed about the lack of dyntick impact. Perhaps we're still doing something wrong? |
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| 19:35.52 | pb_ | mickeyl: good evening |
| 19:36.04 | _law_ | is the sd card stuff direct in kernel or a module? |
| 19:36.43 | gremlin[it] | hi pb_ , mickeyl |
| 19:36.48 | mickeyl | _law_: which device/kernel ? |
| 19:36.50 | koen | _law_: kernel, you can have root on sd |
| 19:37.13 | pb_ | hi gremlin[it] |
| 19:37.20 | _law_ | mickeyl: husky/2.6.14 |
| 19:37.33 | _law_ | koen: no module ? |
| 19:38.11 | mickeyl | defconfig-c7x0:CONFIG_MMC=y |
| 19:38.28 | _law_ | mickeyl: thanks |
| 19:38.32 | mickeyl | np |
| 19:39.01 | mickeyl | koen is right, we may want to have root on sd and that needs an initrd or sd support built in the kernel |
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| 19:42.41 | _law_ | with 2.6.14-rc1 my sd?s (both) work wih 2.4.16-git3 only one works :-( |
| 19:44.18 | mickeyl | sounds like a timing issue. any information in dmesg? |
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| 19:50.27 | _law_ | mickeyl: mmc0: unrecognised SCR structure version |
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| 20:06.16 | jt_dnb | Im recieving an error when attempting bitbake. Can i safely ignore this? (conf/distro/familiar-0.8.3.conf:7: unparsed line: '"${@bb.fatal('This file is unmaintained in the org.oe.dev branch, use the org.openembedded.oz354fam083 branch instead |
| 20:07.52 | do13 | mickeyl: Download done. |
| 20:07.59 | mickeyl | do13: k |
| 20:08.41 | mickeyl | jt_dnb: this error message is pretty self explanatory, don't you think? |
| 20:10.24 | do13 | mickeyl: Funny japanese characters:) Btw Now I have an own expansion jacket. |
| 20:11.03 | mickeyl | do13: ah excellent! :) |
| 20:18.49 | _law_ | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506 |
| 20:20.41 | jt_dnb | How do I use the oz354fam083 branch? |
| 20:21.14 | jt_dnb | and will this work for hx4700's as well? |
| 20:24.18 | _law_ | jt_dnb: check it out and change your local.conf |
| 20:27.11 | abrewer | Howdy. Can I use OE to cross compile for a PPC device? |
| 20:27.38 | Crofton_|laptop | I think so |
| 20:28.26 | Crofton_|laptop | it should work for PPC, the question is, has anyone done it yet |
| 20:29.13 | abrewer | I see some PPC targets in distro/machine |
| 20:29.14 | Crofton_|laptop | abrewer, do you know what a lite5200 is? |
| 20:29.15 | koen|bar | greg72 did work for powerpc |
| 20:29.24 | koen|bar | and linksys routers are powerpc |
| 20:29.27 | Crofton_|laptop | There is a machine file for that |
| 20:29.55 | Crofton_|laptop | koen|bar, are you using a 770 in the bar? |
| 20:30.22 | koen|bar | Crofton_|laptop: no, my powerbook in the meetingroom above it |
| 20:30.30 | Crofton_|laptop | ah |
| 20:33.15 | abrewer | lite5200 looks interesting. like you said, has someone done the port??? |
| 20:33.50 | Crofton_|laptop | well, I would set up local.conf to build for that machine |
| 20:34.01 | Crofton_|laptop | and see what you get from bitbake bootstrap-image |
| 20:34.29 | Crofton_|laptop | no maintainer listed for the file |
| 20:34.41 | Crofton_|laptop | can you have MAINTAINER in machine files? |
| 20:34.55 | koen|bar | Crofton_|laptop: sure |
| 20:37.46 | abrewer | looks like I'll be giving this a go in few weeks. I see all the kernel support for my particular device is there... |
| 20:38.00 | Crofton_|laptop | that is a good start |
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| 20:38.34 | abrewer | i'm no kernel stud, so you can imagine how relieved i was! looks like freescale has quite a few people contributing. |
| 20:38.39 | Crofton_|laptop | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=Lite5200&parentCode=MPC5200&nodeId=0162468rH3bTdG0898# |
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| 20:39.03 | Crofton_|laptop | you can always copy from other files |
| 20:39.12 | abrewer | i already had that link open (-; |
| 20:39.13 | Crofton_|laptop | that is how I got the OSK kernel going |
| 20:39.16 | Crofton_|laptop | heh |
| 20:39.24 | abrewer | OSK? |
| 20:39.54 | Crofton_|laptop | OMAP starter kit |
| 20:40.37 | abrewer | that's a TI thing? |
| 20:40.42 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 20:40.48 | Crofton_|laptop | ARM + DSP |
| 20:41.22 | Crofton_|laptop | OE is a pain, until you start to get how it is working |
| 20:41.30 | Crofton_|laptop | the guys here are pretty hepful |
| 20:42.38 | abrewer | it is quite a hill to get the hang of it. |
| 20:42.59 | abrewer | are there any decent royalty-free alternatives? |
| 20:43.09 | Crofton_|laptop | dunno |
| 20:43.20 | Crofton_|laptop | I figured out oe :) |
| 20:43.50 | abrewer | (-; i like the gentoo portage system, but seems like embedded work still lags OE. |
| 20:43.53 | Crofton_|laptop | Geode's are better! |
| 20:43.58 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | Geodes are different - saying they're better then OMAP is a bit of a stretch |
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| 20:44.34 | Crofton_|laptop | I meant better than a PPC :) |
| 20:44.39 | abrewer | We like the MPC 82xx series. fast, gigE... we don't care about DSP though. |
| 20:44.40 | CosmicPenguin | well duh |
| 20:45.08 | Crofton_|laptop | we care about the low power stuff |
| 20:45.13 | abrewer | and low power. we looked at the geode. they came in second. |
| 20:45.23 | Crofton_|laptop | heh |
| 20:45.26 | CosmicPenguin | Good to know we were in the top three |
| 20:45.32 | CosmicPenguin | unless of course, you only evaluated two |
| 20:45.50 | Crofton_|laptop | CosmicPenguin is at amd.com :) |
| 20:46.27 | abrewer | we looked at five, as i recall: fsl, amd, intel, and two other i can't remember. SOC stuff. |
| 20:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | via? |
| 20:46.43 | abrewer | probably. |
| 20:46.46 | CosmicPenguin | sweet |
| 20:47.04 | _law_ | whats the difference between depends and rdepends? |
| 20:47.08 | abrewer | intel was last (-; |
| 20:47.10 | Crofton_|laptop | amd, always seconf to someone :) |
| 20:47.16 | Crofton_|laptop | er second |
| 20:47.23 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton_|laptop: so that means you're gonna send back your opteron box? |
| 20:47.25 | Crofton_|laptop | depends is for build time |
| 20:47.30 | Crofton_|laptop | athlon |
| 20:47.35 | Crofton_|laptop | we are cheap :( |
| 20:47.39 | CosmicPenguin | athlon64 though |
| 20:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | right? |
| 20:47.43 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 20:48.07 | Crofton_|laptop | I told the boss I needed to see if our stuff runs on a 64 bit machine |
| 20:48.09 | Crofton_|laptop | :) |
| 20:48.21 | abrewer | thanks guys, see ya around. |
| 20:48.27 | Crofton_|laptop | _law_, RDEPENDS is for runtime |
| 20:48.31 | koen|bar | _law_: build depends and Runtime depends |
| 20:48.43 | koen|bar | RDEPENDS is for anything shlibs code doesn't pick up |
| 20:48.53 | CosmicPenguin | wow, direct user support right from the bar |
| 20:48.57 | koen|bar | RDEPENDS should be a subset of depends |
| 20:49.08 | CosmicPenguin | Thats dedication |
| 20:49.19 | koen|bar | I should indeed move down to the actual bar instead of the office |
| 20:49.29 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 20:49.31 | Crofton_|laptop | grrr |
| 20:49.42 | Crofton_|laptop | I need to go work on "other peoples code" |
| 20:49.52 | CosmicPenguin | Other people suck |
| 20:55.37 | RP | mickeyl: hello. I think dyntick is only going to make a difference on the pxa27x devices |
| 20:59.09 | koen|bar | not on pxa255? |
| 21:00.32 | mickeyl | RP: i see |
| 21:01.19 | RP | koen|bar: I don't think the pxa255 has a useful idle mode? |
| 21:01.44 | RP | We'll soon find out on the pxa27x when I test it. The high suspend current worries me though |
| 21:02.01 | RP | I also think I know why Sharp limited the backlight values - power consumption |
| 21:02.44 | jt_dnb | How can I obtain a bleeding-edge gpe-image for the hx4700 with openembedded? |
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| 21:05.59 | pb_ | RP: what do you consider to be a "useful idle mode"? |
| 21:06.52 | RP | pb_: I suspect the fact you're asking the question means I'm confused :) |
| 21:08.01 | pb_ | heh. well, not necessarily, but the pxa255 certainly does have an idle mode and I can't immediately think of any reason why it'd be useless. |
| 21:08.55 | RP | I think the power consumption of the idle mode on the pxa270 is better than the pxa255 and hence dyntick might have more of an effect? |
| 21:10.23 | pb_ | That might be true, but even on the pxa255 idle mode is significantly better (by about a factor of four from what I remember) than active mode. |
| 21:10.52 | pb_ | So, I'd kind of expect that you would see at least some measurable difference on those devices. |
| 21:11.01 | jt_dnb | http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/index.psp is giving me an error message |
| 21:12.19 | CosmicPenguin | It is the season for giving, after all |
| 21:12.24 | RP | pb_: Thinking about it, I suspect cpufreq is going to be conflicting with dyntick nicely,,, |
| 21:13.39 | pb_ | ah, that sounds unfortunate. |
| 21:13.42 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: hah |
| 21:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | my only skill is pithy sarcastic comments |
| 21:14.39 | koen|bar | RP: because cpufreq(d) checks for load too often? |
| 21:14.57 | RP | pb_: I measured that we have twice the power consumption under 2.6 suspend than we have with 2.4 :-( |
| 21:15.12 | pb_ | RP: oh dear. |
| 21:15.39 | RP | koen|bar: something like that |
| 21:16.18 | koen|bar | a small patch to cpufreq should solve that, right? |
| 21:16.55 | RP | koen|bar: Not sure. I need to remember what cpufreq is doing... |
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| 21:22.54 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: if I have a pile of socket 754 Semprons, do you know of an easy way to tell which of them support the amd64 instruction set? |
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| 21:24.24 | gremlin[it] | mhh the release |
| 21:25.12 | gremlin[it] | maybe on amd.com u can find also some info about which release support 64bit |
| 21:25.17 | Tygger-Bob | heheheh |
| 21:25.24 | gremlin[it] | and how ic write on the chip |
| 21:25.27 | gremlin[it] | *is |
| 21:25.31 | Tygger-Bob | pb_ and his "ahh.. that's unfortunate.." |
| 21:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | pb_: thats a good question |
| 21:27.28 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_11599_11604,00.html |
| 21:30.09 | CosmicPenguin | AMD sure doesn't go out of their way to talk about it if they do |
| 21:32.46 | gremlin[it] | maybe can help : The last two letters of the marking, “BO”, indicate that this is a new core, from the same family as the just reviewed Venice. As you remember, the same processors based on the D core revision were marked with “BA” letters at the end. |
| 21:34.40 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: yeah, the whole sempron branding thing seems a bit odd. The stuff on amd.com makes it sound like the Socket A chips are just like the Socket 754 ones except a different shape. |
| 21:35.16 | CosmicPenguin | Thats possible |
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| 21:42.43 | gremlin[it] | pb_ : seem 64bit sempron code end with BX .. such as SDA3400AIO3BX ... for a 3400+ |
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| 21:48.23 | pb_ | ah, right, very good |
| 21:48.24 | pb_ | thanks |
| 21:49.21 | Tygger-Bob | lol |
| 21:49.31 | gremlin[it] | seem difficult to find ... core name is 'Palermo' but not all have x86-64 isructions ... |
| 21:49.55 | CosmicPenguin | I work here, and the website frustrates me on a constant basis |
| 21:49.59 | gremlin[it] | surellu the smaller is 3400+ ... and x86-64 cpu have also 256K of cache ... |
| 21:50.16 | gremlin[it] | CoreDump|home -- not amd.com ... but other sites ... :) |
| 21:51.37 | pb_ | gremlin[it]: at least one of my 2600+ machines (128k cache) can run x86-64, it seems. |
| 21:52.32 | gremlin[it] | pb_ rumors said some CPU can ... basically are athlon64 cutted ;) ... |
| 21:53.25 | gremlin[it] | CosmicPenguin what u do in AMD ? |
| 21:53.34 | gremlin[it] | if i can ask :) |
| 21:53.59 | Crofton_|laptop | he hangs irc and plugs amd :) |
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| 21:57.52 | CosmicPenguin | gremlin[it]: Geode and Alchemy Linux development |
| 21:59.46 | gremlin[it] | all time question : amd can offer job to foreign ??? :) |
| 22:01.20 | CosmicPenguin | Unfortunately you would have to move to the US |
| 22:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | And double unfortunately, you would have to move to Austin |
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| 22:02.09 | gremlin[it] | move isn't a problem ... is more a benefit for me :) ... |
| 22:06.04 | CosmicPenguin | I do wish we had a design center in Italy - I mean, Germany is fun and all.... |
| 22:06.32 | CosmicPenguin | but Italy would be nicer - plus I can actually understand what people are saying |
| 22:07.59 | Mardy | CosmicPenguin: you work at amd? |
| 22:08.41 | Mardy | I'm from Italy, we might have a shift ;-) |
| 22:09.01 | gremlin[it] | CosmicPenguin i would like too .. but should never be managed by italian guy :) ... |
| 22:09.23 | gremlin[it] | Mardy : i'm the first of the line ;) :) :) : ): ) |
| 22:09.49 | Mardy | gremlin[it]: pussa via ;-) |
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| 22:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | Mardy: indeed - I work at AMD |
| 22:12.05 | gremlin[it] | I go to sleep ... i'm tired ... but soon h3600 will have led and backlight working ;) |
| 22:12.22 | gremlin[it] | cu CosmicPenguin |
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| 22:13.53 | Mardy | ciao gremlin[it] |
| 22:14.03 | CosmicPenguin | night |
| 22:14.05 | gremlin[it] | ciao Mardy |
| 22:23.07 | Mardy | module-init-tools_3.2-pre9 no longer exists |
| 22:27.02 | Mardy | how fast are changes propagated in monotone? is it immediate? |
| 22:27.29 | Mardy | I'm asking, just to know whether module-init-tools has already been fixed |
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| 22:38.08 | v8jlene | Mardy: Yeah, there's a bug entry on module-init-tools already: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498 |
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| 22:42.37 | ade|desk | hi folks |
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| 22:43.49 | koen | hey ade|desk |
| 22:44.34 | ade|desk | RP: when did you move your patches into openzaurus/patches/archive/{all patches needed for branch oz354fam083} ? |
| 22:44.40 | ade|desk | hi koen |
| 22:46.42 | ade|desk | oz354fam083 needs module-init-tools-3.1.tar.gz from "old" directory now on kernel.org , will file bug report tomorrow, if someone doesn't beat me to it |
| 22:47.29 | koen | ade|desk: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498 |
| 22:49.09 | ade|desk | koen: i guess thats for the fam folk, oz is still on 3.1 |
| 22:49.59 | koen | ? |
| 22:52.50 | ade|desk | koen: we should strip the number of bbs in that branch, too many candidates for each package, after all its supposed to be the releasable fixed meta data. |
| 22:53.05 | ade|desk | no ? |
| 22:54.04 | koen | what if 3rd party people want to build against .bbs we deleted? |
| 22:55.32 | ade|desk | it wouldn't be against the 'released' version of oz/fam then |
| 22:56.14 | ade|desk | there is always the dev branch for non conforming fixed version fam/oz releases,yes? |
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