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| 01:16.08 | hardwire | I should probably figure out how oe works.. huh.. |
| 01:16.10 | hardwire | vs debian :) |
| 01:16.42 | kergoth | yes. |
| 01:16.56 | kergoth | fixed up oe's iptables packaging and build today |
| 01:16.57 | kergoth | ;) |
| 01:17.00 | hardwire | how about you come work for me.. and just do it |
| 01:18.06 | chouimat | hey kergoth hardwire |
| 01:18.12 | chouimat | kergoth: email addy |
| 01:18.22 | kergoth | ~kergoth |
| 01:18.24 | ibot | methinks kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy currently at Astrocom Corporation (http://www.astrocorp.com/). Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@astrocorp.com. Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects. Maintainer of the tslib project. |
| 01:18.25 | hardwire | stat |
| 01:18.28 | chouimat | I have something funny ... same for you hardwire |
| 01:18.33 | hardwire | ~hardwire |
| 01:18.35 | ibot | from memory, hardwire is the delicate genius holding together the fabric of the universe. |
| 01:18.40 | hardwire | :) |
| 01:18.41 | chouimat | heheh |
| 01:18.48 | hardwire | hardwire@bogomip.com |
| 01:18.50 | chouimat | kergoth: which workd |
| 01:18.53 | kergoth | hh |
| 01:19.01 | kergoth | erm |
| 01:19.05 | kergoth | hh is my personal addy,k use that |
| 01:19.14 | kergoth | ~emulate kergoth |
| 01:19.16 | ibot | ACTION wields a mean polished, spiked cluebat |
| 01:19.30 | chouimat | sent |
| 01:19.47 | chouimat | ok it'sd 1.9mb so still in progress |
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| 01:20.50 | hardwire | anybody got some peter gabriel? |
| 01:21.14 | kergoth | hardwire: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=538 |
| 01:21.23 | kergoth | REMINDER: BUY MORE BEER |
| 01:21.23 | kergoth | (MIRROR WRITING) |
| 01:21.23 | kergoth | After a night of hard partying, go to the mirror and you'll know what to do. |
| 01:21.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:22.06 | chouimat | kergoth: I just got a nice London Porter ... the after taste is like those chocolate coated coffee beans ... taste great |
| 01:22.12 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:22.18 | chouimat | kergoth: it was nice |
| 01:22.20 | hardwire | kergoth: yeh |
| 01:22.24 | hardwire | thats going on my x-mas list now |
| 01:22.37 | chouimat | kergoth: nice dark black beer |
| 01:22.48 | hardwire | ah |
| 01:22.53 | hardwire | I fogot you were so damn foreign |
| 01:24.36 | chouimat | hardwire: infected mushroom is ok but I prefer Ozric Tentacles |
| 01:24.36 | hardwire | haha |
| 01:24.38 | hardwire | refreshing better cars |
| 01:24.44 | chouimat | hardwire: :) |
| 01:24.58 | hardwire | chouimat: yeh |
| 01:25.15 | hardwire | chouimat: some people like ozric much more. |
| 01:25.27 | hardwire | I am more a mellow listener so infected mushroom is nice |
| 01:25.34 | hardwire | I have some nice stuff I should give you |
| 01:26.35 | chouimat | hardwire: I'm currently listening to extreme Metal and Progressive metal ... aggressive stuf |
| 01:26.37 | chouimat | f |
| 01:27.37 | hardwire | accept.. its totally not on these machines :( |
| 01:27.38 | hardwire | poo |
| 01:28.22 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=528 |
| 01:28.26 | hardwire | thats just the worst |
| 01:28.58 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:29.04 | kergoth | i want http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=445 |
| 01:29.11 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=355 |
| 01:29.20 | hardwire | hah |
| 01:29.29 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=102 |
| 01:29.30 | hardwire | :( |
| 01:30.57 | chouimat | hardwire: my cat is sleeping on the top of the speaker ... |
| 01:31.10 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=491 |
| 01:31.12 | hardwire | POOR! |
| 01:31.41 | chouimat | hardwire: he like heavy stuff ... with a lot of bass |
| 01:32.14 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/whores_winner.htm |
| 01:32.52 | hardwire | http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a42_007.jpg |
| 01:32.55 | hardwire | thats just way to much boob |
| 01:33.16 | kergoth | no such thing |
| 01:33.46 | hardwire | my g/f has an A cup |
| 01:33.50 | hardwire | I am getting used to it |
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| 01:33.58 | hardwire | she is a pretty tiny person all aroudn |
| 01:34.15 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 01:34.16 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a147_002.jpg |
| 01:34.23 | hardwire | but when I see something a wee bit larger than oh.. a C |
| 01:34.25 | hardwire | its jsut amazing |
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| 01:34.46 | hardwire | I have no idea how they can hold themselves upright. |
| 01:35.04 | kergoth | my gf is a big girl, so at least its in proportion you know |
| 01:35.09 | chouimat | a42_007 isnice |
| 01:35.11 | kergoth | not gonna have long term back problems or anything |
| 01:35.26 | hardwire | some people are out of proportion thats for sure |
| 01:36.26 | chouimat | shit that whore of the month I know her .... |
| 01:36.29 | hardwire | some boobs are just amazing when they are large.. |
| 01:36.31 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a42_003.jpg .. haha |
| 01:36.37 | kergoth | its a 5500 or 5000d! |
| 01:36.41 | hardwire | but a good amount of them are not |
| 01:37.02 | chouimat | kergoth: 5000d |
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| 01:45.51 | hardwire | heh |
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| 02:14.52 | hardwire | -j 8 does odd things |
| 02:18.54 | wpiku | hardwire, it's supposed to ;) |
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| 04:07.28 | dunky | morning all |
| 04:19.55 | benlau | good morning |
| 04:25.49 | dunky | could the oe build arch-x86 |
| 04:26.36 | kergoth | lots of people target x86 with oe |
| 04:26.50 | kergoth | for x86 boards and devices, as well as for use with uml and the like |
| 04:27.45 | dunky | TARGET_ARCH = "x86"? |
| 04:28.52 | kergoth | there are a number of machines that use x86 that you could base yours on, thats what i'd recommend |
| 04:29.01 | kergoth | take a look at x86.conf in openembedded/conf/machine/ |
| 04:29.04 | kergoth | or uml, or.. :) |
| 04:29.51 | dunky | kergoth:thank so... :) |
| 04:30.08 | kergoth | np |
| 04:30.55 | benlau | Do anybody know how can I assign the gcc(e,g gcc-3.4,gcc-4.0) being used for specific package only? |
| 04:31.30 | kergoth | you cant, at least not easily. |
| 04:31.42 | kergoth | it /is/ done though in a couple cases |
| 04:31.46 | kergoth | just no generic mechanism for it |
| 04:31.47 | benlau | Some body reported that gdb-6.3 could not be compiled by gcc-4.0 . |
| 04:31.50 | kergoth | take a look at kernel.bbclass |
| 04:32.01 | kergoth | some kernels require old gccs |
| 04:32.05 | kergoth | so thats a similar situation. |
| 04:33.51 | benlau | kergoth: it is too bad... I changed the conf/local.conf and override 'CC' in order to compile gdb-cross-6.3. |
| 04:35.31 | benlau | That mean I must modify the bb file? OK , at least that is better than my current solution. |
| 04:35.55 | benlau | Thanks. :) |
| 04:36.25 | kergoth | np |
| 04:50.51 | dunky | kergoth:should put all of the x86.conf content into local.conf? |
| 04:52.08 | kergoth | or just set MACHINE=x86 |
| 04:52.14 | kergoth | which will pull in machine/x86.conf |
| 04:54.59 | dunky | kergoth:thanks again :) |
| 04:57.47 | ggilbert | evening kergoth |
| 05:04.13 | kergoth | hey |
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| 06:40.48 | dunky | what shall i do so that get depending of some packages |
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| 07:49.38 | XorA | morning |
| 07:52.13 | RP | morning all |
| 07:53.23 | XorA | morning RP |
| 07:54.18 | RP | I have a big sound update from Liam which should fix a lot of the issues hrw was seeing... |
| 07:56.01 | XorA | RP: wicked |
| 07:58.33 | RP | I just need to make it apply :) |
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| 07:59.03 | hrw|gone | hi |
| 07:59.08 | XorA | RP: ah, always the issue :-) |
| 07:59.16 | zecke | ji |
| 07:59.22 | RP | hi hrw|work |
| 07:59.35 | hrw|work | http://www.flickr.com/photos/46477416@N00/55094520/in/photostream/ |
| 08:00.05 | XorA | hrw|work: seen that one before, but very funny |
| 08:01.01 | zecke | hrw|work: "Puss in boots!" lol |
| 08:01.55 | XorA | there used to be a tale that goes with that picture, seems it has been lost in time |
| 08:02.31 | hrw|work | XorA: as usual |
| 08:19.07 | hrw|work | guys: I was thinking about creating "CF card info database" which will hold 'pccardctl info' data with kernel driver info |
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| 08:26.56 | XorA | hrw|work: you mean on webpage? |
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| 08:30.17 | dunky | hi,mans..Is there nice way to get depending of some packages |
| 08:31.08 | hrw|work | XorA: yes |
| 08:31.24 | hrw|work | XorA: with form for submitting |
| 08:33.09 | XorA | hrw|work: sounds good |
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| 08:35.32 | koen | hrw|work: my patch for removing 'ROM' from the OZ usb comment got accepted :) |
| 08:35.43 | hrw|work | koen: good |
| 08:36.32 | XorA | koen: did you read the open office benchmarks published, looks like it would be better to run excel on wine on qemu than openoffice on pdaXrom :-) |
| 08:36.58 | koen | XorA: yes :) |
| 08:37.05 | koen | that's why I use excell on osx |
| 08:37.16 | koen | hates* |
| 08:38.27 | koen | I use abiword on osx too :) |
| 08:39.54 | hrw|work | I use OOo |
| 08:40.21 | koen | OOo is like the old bitbake |
| 08:40.28 | hrw|work | KOffice is .... and I dont like gtk (especially their so called 'file'requesters) |
| 08:40.29 | koen | unusable without insane amount of ram/swap |
| 08:43.03 | hrw|work | here firefox took more ram then OOo |
| 08:43.09 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.09 | hrw|work | 21120 hrw 16 0 249m 100m 49m S 0.0 13.3 4:03.87 soffice.bin |
| 08:43.09 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.50 | XorA | irda fails on 2.6.14-rc4 :-( |
| 08:45.15 | RP | XorA: You have the modules installed/loaded? |
| 08:45.16 | hrw|work | XorA: wfm |
| 08:45.45 | hrw|work | anyway opie died after beam |
| 08:46.00 | XorA | pxaficp_ir ircomm_tty ircomm irda |
| 08:52.21 | XorA | works after reboot |
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| 08:53.41 | Bernardo | good morning |
| 08:54.08 | koen | hey Bernardo |
| 08:54.29 | Bernardo | koen: last night I re-downloaded the snapshot and it worked the second time |
| 08:55.06 | koen | there's an md5sum in the same directory |
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| 09:42.04 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rcc773f16... 10/: gpe-image: remove gpe-fm and gpe-nmf from bigflash depends to make it fit in 24MB devices |
| 09:42.08 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5345176f... 10/: preferred-gpe-versions-2.7: prefer newer libgpewidget |
| 09:42.12 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r740eec15... 10/: gpe-su: add 0.19 from .dev |
| 09:42.16 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r33b4edbe... 10/: pcmcia-cs 3.2.8: add cleanup patch from .dev (r26a4c0ccd084e42c4805a444a505643bc6473be8) |
| 09:42.20 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rd56b8ce6... 10/: preferred-gpe-versions: prefer xextensions 1.0.1 and xserver-kdrive 20050207 |
| 09:42.20 | koen | ah, mickeyl fixed cia |
| 09:42.24 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r99d54dcf... 10/: |
| 09:42.24 | CIA-7 | opie-notes: upgraded to 0.4 |
| 09:42.24 | CIA-7 | - this version check does Documents/text/plain exist and create it if not |
| 09:42.28 | CIA-7 | 03ccsmart 07org.oe.dev * r64c32008... 10/: bogofilter: add write acces for group filter to /var/spool/filter |
| 09:42.32 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r9434b671... 10/: |
| 09:42.33 | CIA-7 | slugos, openslug, ucslugc: move to new slugos base distro in openslug 3.0, ucslugc 3 |
| 09:42.33 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.33 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.36 | CIA-7 | 03noodles 07org.oe.dev * r42b1c101... 10/: ppp-2.4.3: Build pppoatm plugin as package ppp-oa. |
| 09:42.41 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * ra179fb1d... 10/: |
| 09:42.41 | CIA-7 | nslu2-kernel: split nslu2 patches in 2.6.14-rc5 |
| 09:42.41 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.42 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.44 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.46 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r5b3b75d6... 10/: nslu2-kernel: bump PR, add back patches erroneously removed for testing in 2.6.14-rc5 |
| 09:42.50 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r6cd6b3c1... 10/: nslu2-kernel: add MM kernel to verify patches in 2.6.14-rc5-mm1 |
| 09:42.54 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r23edc089... 10/: gpe-su: add 0.19 |
| 09:42.58 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re71cbbac... 10/: /preferred-gpe-versions-2.7: sync with oz354fam083 |
| 09:43.02 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf2e0bbc6... 10/: preferred-gpe-versions-2.7: prefer gpe-su 0.19 |
| 09:43.07 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdaa6105e... 10/: matchbox-keyboard: fix up .bb a bit and use --disable-cairo per mallums suggestion |
| 09:43.11 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r749a74b8... 10/: nslu2-kernel: release 2.6.14 |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd5f672b2... 10/: |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | linux-oz-2.6: Akita updates to dev branch. Renable akita in defconfig and build |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | in I2C, I2C-PXA and MAX7310 drivers. Add max7310 i2c driver. Add proper Akita |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | IO-Expander driver. Add patch to fix Akita mtd issues (also fixes Borzoi). |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | Enable spitz_cf patch to apply to akita. Update sound codec patch - no user |
| 09:43.15 | CIA-7 | visible changes (yet). |
| 09:44.39 | Twiun | hey |
| 09:45.21 | koen | hey Twiun |
| 09:50.44 | hrw|work | RP: alsa fixes will be in next dev update? |
| 10:09.06 | hrw|work | ~curse monotone log |
| 10:09.07 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, monotone log ! |
| 10:09.14 | hrw|work | Options specific to 'monotone log': |
| 10:09.15 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.29 | hrw|work | "mt log --revision d5f672b215553b0622c8ee9a8ee627e900ab92e4" gives everything anyway |
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| 10:18.47 | RP | hrw|work: yes |
| 10:19.21 | RP | Just sent a mail to LKML about the akita code. Merging in Liam's new code is next |
| 10:26.51 | hrw|work | koen: any news about gnumeric & OpenDocument? |
| 10:27.06 | koen | not that I know off |
| 10:27.18 | koen | I only get .xls files over here |
| 10:27.25 | koen | or .csv |
| 10:32.57 | oho | Hello, I am trying to compile my own kernel for a h2200, but I am having a few questions. Should I use oe or a normal toolchain to compile the kernel ? |
| 10:33.16 | hrw|work | OE |
| 10:33.36 | hrw|work | oho: only zaurus 2.4 kernels need toolchain from outside of OE |
| 10:35.25 | oho | hrw|work: thank you. I will try it with setting S = in the bb file to my kernel |
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| 10:41.21 | hrw|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15760 |
| 10:52.05 | koen | hrw|work: cool |
| 10:52.14 | koen | hrw|work: and make OE query that db on build :) |
| 10:52.45 | hrw|work | now I have to project database for it |
| 10:53.01 | hrw|work | and searching for a tool to do it (other then sheet of paper) |
| 10:53.40 | hrw|work | suggestions? |
| 10:53.59 | koen | LAMP? |
| 10:54.30 | hrw|work | famp rather |
| 10:55.12 | hrw|work | and by tool I meant 'tool which I can use to project database' |
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| 10:57.40 | hrw|work | hi alan |
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| 11:30.21 | Cobelius | Hi I'm trying to write a better manual about OpenEmbedded and BitBake and have some questions about the tools the system is needing |
| 11:30.36 | Cobelius | Can somebody answere some questions? |
| 11:31.24 | koen | sure |
| 11:31.27 | koen | just ask |
| 11:32.28 | Cobelius | Okay for what the system is using GNU path and why does it need at least version 2.3.0 ? |
| 11:32.46 | koen | patch? |
| 11:33.26 | Cobelius | Yes Patch |
| 11:33.27 | Cobelius | sorry |
| 11:34.10 | koen | OE uses that to apply patches, and I guess quilt and patcher use some fancy features only found in newer features |
| 11:35.04 | alan|home | morning |
| 11:37.10 | koen | hey alan|home |
| 11:37.35 | Cobelius | hi alan|home |
| 11:38.12 | Cobelius | Is Pyhton just be used to run bitbake or also for some other things? |
| 11:39.11 | koen | .bb files can contain python to do stuff |
| 11:39.39 | koen | but I don't know if python get's called directly or via bitbake |
| 11:41.01 | Cobelius | For what GNU m4 is need? |
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| 11:42.42 | koen | Cobelius: for autoconf and friends |
| 11:45.15 | Cobelius | Which is the minimal Version? |
| 11:48.46 | koen | no idea |
| 11:51.09 | danil|away | could somebody remind me how to get a fresh OE feed? openembedded.org seems to be down and I only can remember how to update a feed ;(. Basicaly, what command shell I issue after monotone --db=$FEED.db pull monotone.vanille.de $FEED ? to get a fresh $FEED? |
| 11:51.53 | koen | feed? |
| 11:52.12 | koen | see http://venge.net/monotone/monotone.html |
| 11:52.19 | danil|away | koen, maybe a call it wrong.. |
| 11:52.42 | koen | or open http://monotone.vanille.de/ in a browser |
| 11:54.32 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.49 | danil|away | koen, thanks! That was the command I needed: monotone --db=org.openembedded.oz354fam083.db co --branch=org.openembedded.oz354fam083 |
| 11:55.15 | koen | you can have multiple branches in one .db |
| 11:56.10 | danil|away | koen, about the terminology: org.openembedded.oz354fam083.db - is database and org.openembedded.oz354fam083 is a branch (not feed) right? |
| 11:56.46 | koen | a .db is a database and org.openembedded.* are branches |
| 11:58.48 | Cobelius | Which is the minimal Version of CVS which I have to use? |
| 11:59.32 | koen | The one from debian stable should be fine |
| 12:00.00 | danil|away | koen, I did not know I can have several branches in one db - this is convenient... |
| 12:02.03 | Cobelius | Is monotone only be used to download and upadte my OpenEmbedded stuff or is it also be used do download sourcecode for the build process? |
| 12:04.13 | koen | only for OE |
| 12:08.44 | Cobelius | And 0.20 is the minimal version, isn't it? |
| 12:08.57 | koen | yes |
| 12:09.29 | Cobelius | Is subversion only be used for the BitBake download or also for Source codes? |
| 12:10.47 | koen | it's also used for some sources |
| 12:12.30 | Cobelius | Do you know which Version I minimal need? |
| 12:16.00 | koen | the one from debian stable should do |
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| 12:18.48 | zecke | hey |
| 12:19.12 | koen|770 | hey zecke |
| 12:19.23 | Cobelius | hi zecke |
| 12:21.11 | Cobelius | Is Psyco only be used the ehance the speed of bitbake? |
| 12:22.35 | koen|770 | yes |
| 12:26.10 | Cobelius | For what Perl is need? |
| 12:27.06 | zecke | Cobelius: what perl-native? |
| 12:27.13 | zecke | Cobelius: for packages depending on perl-native |
| 12:28.27 | Cobelius | So it just for dependencies during de build process or ist bitbake using it itself to execute code? |
| 12:30.25 | zecke | Cobelius: luckily it is not using perl |
| 12:30.50 | Cobelius | So only for dependencies? |
| 12:30.55 | zecke | yes |
| 12:31.13 | zecke | bitbake is written in python, no need to use perl |
| 12:32.00 | Cobelius | Okay |
| 12:32.16 | Cobelius | Is something known about an exact Version Number of Perl? |
| 12:32.31 | Cobelius | Or does it depends on the Source Codes i wanna compile? |
| 12:33.04 | koen | it will build it's own perl |
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| 12:37.56 | Cobelius | Is it better to use Jade or OpenJade? |
| 12:38.09 | Cobelius | should I install both? |
| 12:46.38 | zecke | Cobelius: for generating the bitbake docu? |
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| 12:48.09 | Cobelius | I dont' know does when is Jade or OpenJade need. During the build process or also elsewhere? |
| 12:51.08 | Cobelius | Ohh sorry again: |
| 12:51.40 | Cobelius | When does BitBake need Jade or OpenJade? During the build process or does it need it somewhere else? |
| 12:52.51 | zecke | Cobelius: dunno, for what should it need OpenJade? |
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| 12:54.29 | Cobelius | Can I ask you the question in German? |
| 12:54.55 | zecke | Cobelius: why? |
| 12:55.20 | zecke | Cobelius: if you can not resist do so |
| 12:57.40 | Cobelius | Meine Frage war eigentlich nur, für was braucht BitBake Jade oder OpenJade und welches von beiden braucht es. |
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| 13:01.50 | oho | could some one please tell me what to put into a .bb file inorder to make custom build kernels. I read the wiki and changed "S =" to the location where the kernel source is, but it still doesn't work. When I do a make it compiles fine, just not with bitbake |
| 13:03.00 | hrw|work | re |
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| 13:07.58 | Cobelius | For what GNU sed is used? |
| 13:08.09 | Cobelius | Is it only used during the build process? |
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| 13:11.48 | hrw|work | Cobelius: depends - some recipes need it |
| 13:12.27 | Cobelius | What are recipies? |
| 13:12.36 | Cobelius | are these the .bb files? |
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| 13:28.51 | RP | Hmm. New alsa SoC code is some steps forward and some back :-/ |
| 13:29.37 | XorA | RP: sounds like some good old country dancing |
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| 13:32.46 | RP | I've applied it to the dev branch |
| 13:33.42 | RP | Some applications set the sample rate, then change it. The driver will continue to use the first sample rate. You can change this with devmem2 0x40400060 w 0xsomenumber... |
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| 13:34.08 | RP | Or you can enjoy whale music instead :) |
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| 13:34.53 | RP | Its quite theraputic :) |
| 13:35.08 | koen|770 | you speak whale too? |
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| 13:45.14 | Cobelius | Is there a good history page about the OpenEmbedded Project in the web? |
| 13:45.57 | koen|770 | maybe mickeyl's newsletters on ooenzaurus.org |
| 13:47.33 | Cobelius | okay |
| 13:47.34 | Cobelius | thank you |
| 13:48.23 | koen|770 | openzaurus.org, that is |
| 13:50.17 | RP | koen|770: What are you using for input on the 770 out of interest? on screen keyboard or a BT one? |
| 13:50.40 | koen|770 | osk |
| 13:50.52 | RP | koen|770: ok, just curious :) |
| 13:52.04 | koen|770 | when i have some extra money i'll buy a bt kb :) |
| 13:52.31 | oho | when building my own kernel with OE, how do I tell it to use my kernel config file ? |
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| 13:56.08 | dwildes | oho - after configuring the kernel, copy your .config as the 'defconfig' file within the kernel package directory |
| 13:57.48 | oho | dwildes: by defconfig, do you mean ipaqpxa_defconfig ? |
| 13:58.03 | Cobelius | Was OpenZaurus integrated into OpenEmbedded or was OpenEmbedded developed for OpenZaurus? |
| 13:58.40 | hrw|work | Cobelius: OE was developed as replacement for OZ buildroot |
| 13:58.52 | Cobelius | hrw thank you |
| 13:59.24 | dwildes | oho - I was talking about the /org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/---your kernel--/defconfig |
| 13:59.32 | dwildes | for me with X86 - it's: |
| 13:59.33 | dwildes | org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-x86-2.6.11.6 |
| 13:59.40 | hrw|work | Cobelius: during OE development several targets was added before first OZ based on OE was released |
| 14:00.20 | oho | dwildes: ah ok - thank you. I will have a look at it |
| 14:00.44 | dwildes | oho - but check your kernel .bb file - it should have an option in the 'do_configure_prepend' where it shows it copy the 'defconfig' to the .config for the kernel compile |
| 14:00.49 | dwildes | you're welcome |
| 14:01.26 | hrw|work | Cobelius: where you will publish results? |
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| 14:04.35 | Cobelius | I'll hope I'll can do this on the openembedded homepage |
| 14:04.42 | Cobelius | when it will be finished |
| 14:06.47 | Cobelius | But it's currently written in German. My English is not so good to write the whole stuff in English |
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| 14:09.32 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:11.14 | Cobelius | I hope I'll find somebody who will translate it |
| 14:15.00 | oho | dwildes: I have copied my config manually to .config --- in that case would you say that http://pastebin.ca/26921 is correct ? I don't fully understand what ipaqpxa_defconfig is. Is that the config which has the settings for the handhelds ? If I have custom kernel config do I not need ipaqpxa_defconfig ? |
| 14:19.12 | dwildes | Not sure about ipaqxa stuff, I only deal with X86 |
| 14:19.39 | oho | ah ok - thank you. |
| 14:19.50 | dwildes | but the .bb synatax for the x86 kernel for putting your own .config is done by replacing the 'defconfig' as shown in the .bb |
| 14:19.52 | dwildes | do_configure_prepend() { |
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| 14:19.52 | dwildes | } |
| 14:20.17 | koen|770 | hey mickeyl |
| 14:20.23 | dwildes | I don't 'think' yours will work because you are doing it during configure - and not before |
| 14:21.10 | oho | dwildes: I will try it just with .config, as this is the one I copied manually |
| 14:21.43 | hrw|work | currect version od cf database has 43 pcmcia drivers.. |
| 14:22.28 | koen|770 | could you post the.url somwhere? |
| 14:22.49 | hrw|work | koen|770: currently it is only sql database |
| 14:23.15 | mickeyl | hi |
| 14:23.18 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 14:23.39 | hrw|work | mickeyl: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15760 |
| 14:24.04 | mickeyl | good idea |
| 14:33.36 | RP | hi mickeyl |
| 14:34.17 | _law_ | hey |
| 14:34.37 | _law_ | is it possible to start bitbake from compile stage to end? |
| 14:34.56 | RP | _law_: -c compile -f |
| 14:35.06 | _law_ | RP: thanks |
| 14:35.07 | RP | _law_: then run again to run to the end from compile |
| 14:35.56 | RP | (the above will just force a recompile but bitbake will realise it needs to run the other tasks again on a subsequent run without options) |
| 14:36.06 | RP | mickeyl: Did you see the good news re: akita? |
| 14:39.32 | mickeyl | RP: yeah. congrats! How did you make it? |
| 14:40.06 | RP | mickeyl: Someone sent me an akita on loan to sort it out :) |
| 14:40.18 | RP | I've sent it back now as its all done |
| 14:40.34 | RP | The good news is that the changes should also work for borzoi which is also large page flash |
| 14:40.55 | mickeyl | excellent! |
| 14:41.23 | mickeyl | that's the last showstopper for 2.6 on the CXK or is it? |
| 14:41.29 | RP | and the wm8750 driver is coming along. Nearly compiles... :) |
| 14:41.47 | RP | CXK just miss use client and sound |
| 14:41.53 | RP | miss usb-client and sound |
| 14:42.23 | RP | sound will be sorted soon enough (I know I keep saying that but it will) |
| 14:42.54 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:43.47 | hrw|work | currently I have 516 cards in database |
| 14:44.46 | RP | I'm really pleased with to have played with an akita - I'm happy its in the same position as spitz now. I've also asked on LKML about the drivers and if they're going to accept them |
| 14:45.39 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:45.55 | zecke | mickeyl: hi |
| 14:45.57 | mickeyl | you know there's one poor machine that's a bit behind... ;) |
| 14:46.01 | mickeyl | hi zecke |
| 14:46.13 | zecke | mickeyl: where can I send it to :} |
| 14:46.37 | RP | mickeyl: Even if we hack some its support, It'd be nice to make it work under 2.6 nicely... |
| 14:46.52 | RP | Perhaps my akita code will give Dirk some ideas... |
| 14:47.04 | RP | ~seen do13 |
| 14:47.12 | ibot | do13 <n=nnnnnnnn@do13.in-dsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 32d 1h 30m 22s ago, saying: 'zecke_: To build an opie-image you need this patch http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/defconfig-tosa.patch'. |
| 14:47.42 | RP | :-/ |
| 14:49.58 | mickeyl | OT: do the pxa2xx have enough infrastructure to implement something like dynticks here as well? I'd love to get rid of apm... |
| 14:51.10 | RP | mickeyl: Not sure. I like the pxa's suspend/resume feature. I hate apm though |
| 14:51.38 | zecke | ~lart TT |
| 14:52.04 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:52.22 | hrw|work | 707 cards in database |
| 14:53.28 | RP | mickeyl: With the new alsa code we're going to need a userspace daemon to look after it. I'm tempted to compine this with something handling power management and hinge handling amongst other things, kind of like an embedded mini hal |
| 14:55.50 | mickeyl | RP: Sounds good to me. I've always thought something like ODevice should really be implement more lower level and GUI/language indedependant |
| 14:56.01 | mickeyl | independent, even |
| 14:56.25 | RP | Odevice would be the rough basis for it but obviously standalone |
| 14:56.57 | mickeyl | *nod* with UNIX socket communication facilities and acting as a multiplexer for all the lower level stuff |
| 14:57.16 | mickeyl | just needs a good API |
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| 14:57.24 | mickeyl | simple, extensible, clear |
| 14:57.56 | zecke | mickeyl: is that middleware? |
| 14:58.17 | mickeyl | ouch. that hurts ;) |
| 14:58.50 | mickeyl | the weekend already donated to middleware. i need a small break |
| 14:59.18 | zecke | mickeyl: wtf is middleware, you still owe me an explanation, probably I won't get it today :} |
| 14:59.26 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 14:59.29 | mickeyl | let me quote that sun engineer |
| 14:59.42 | hrw|work | basically I found 675 cards in our pcmcia configs |
| 14:59.53 | mickeyl | "middleware is the code that neither the application developers nor the networking guys want to touch" |
| 15:00.22 | Twiun | hahaha |
| 15:01.04 | RP | mickeyl: Exporting an API is the tricky part for me. I can write the interfacing bit easily enough... |
| 15:03.13 | zecke | mickeyl: bäh ;) |
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| 15:11.29 | mickeyl | hrw|work: i wonder how many variants are really produced |
| 15:11.40 | mickeyl | i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of entries were bogus |
| 15:11.45 | mickeyl | or duplicated |
| 15:13.44 | hrw|work | who knows.. |
| 15:14.05 | RP | It would be interesting to compare this with what's currently in the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:23.30 | Bernardo | good afternoon |
| 15:23.54 | mickeyl | hi Bernardo |
| 15:27.19 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl |
| 15:28.05 | hrw|work | http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/show.php - database dump |
| 15:28.21 | Bernardo | mickeyl: anyone can edit the prerequisites wiki page? For mandriva you need the glibc-static-devel rpm if you're building a 2.6 kernel, should be mentioned there |
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| 15:30.15 | user_ | Bernardo, yeah go ahead |
| 15:31.46 | Bernardo | I only noticed that when I went to check if I had already a akita image with RP's latest kernel |
| 15:32.05 | mickey770 | Yep |
| 15:39.12 | Bernardo | mickey770: the front page at oe.handhelds.org still has some refs to openembedded.org, namely the "getting started" link |
| 15:39.31 | mickeyl | it's been expected that oe.org comes back |
| 15:39.38 | kergoth | ah right, i still need to update the dns, dont i |
| 15:39.42 | mickeyl | ya |
| 15:40.41 | Cobelius | Does somebody know for what BitBake is using Bison? |
| 15:40.59 | Cobelius | and wich version is the minimal version i need? |
| 15:41.02 | kergoth | bitbake doesnt use bison. perhaps you're thinking of oe. |
| 15:41.45 | hrw|work | Cobelius: bison.. bbclass or recipe need it |
| 15:41.53 | hrw|work | Cobelius: bc is needed for zaurus kernels |
| 15:42.07 | Cobelius | what is bc doing? |
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| 15:42.14 | zecke | Cobelius: bitbake only needs python... |
| 15:42.16 | hrw|work | Cobelius: mem/disk split |
| 15:42.22 | zecke | Cobelius: what is your documentation targeting at? |
| 15:42.25 | hrw|work | mickeyl: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/show.php - could you look? |
| 15:42.56 | mickeyl | ya |
| 15:43.04 | lardman | hrw|work: nice |
| 15:43.11 | Cobelius | zecke: Installation, how does bitbake work, structure of OE, how make new packages, machine destriptions etc. |
| 15:43.20 | hrw|work | mickeyl: each header sort |
| 15:43.20 | lardman | hrw|work: could you add a field for physical dimensions...? |
| 15:43.42 | zecke | Cobelius: which people do you target? |
| 15:43.45 | hrw|work | lardman: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15760 |
| 15:44.06 | Cobelius | well people like who have to make a solution with OpenEmbedded |
| 15:44.07 | lardman | hrw|work: yep, I voted too ;) |
| 15:44.38 | hrw|work | lardman: add suggestions there |
| 15:44.53 | mickeyl | hrw|work: LA4111 Spectrum 24 has three entries |
| 15:44.58 | Bernardo | hrw|work: nice |
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| 15:45.47 | hrw|work | mickeyl: had |
| 15:46.02 | zecke | Cobelius: did you look at current documentation? |
| 15:46.32 | Bernardo | hrw|work: the sandisk connect isn't there, only the plus? |
| 15:46.32 | zecke | Cobelius: from where do you pull 'jade', openjade, bison, müsli and why do you think bitbake needs them? |
| 15:46.49 | hrw|work | Bernardo: adding into database is not yet implemented |
| 15:46.50 | Cobelius | I looked at the getting started page and at documentation in the wiki |
| 15:46.56 | Cobelius | and at the required software page |
| 15:47.02 | zecke | Cobelius: the risk for you -as the writer of the Documentation- is, if you confuse BitBake and OpenEmbedded |
| 15:47.08 | mickeyl | hrw|work: i'll match my other cards (lots of lucent cards, netgear, sandisk) later |
| 15:47.09 | zecke | Cobelius: your readers will confuse it too |
| 15:47.10 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 15:47.17 | Cobelius | ahhh okay |
| 15:47.19 | Cobelius | i c |
| 15:47.34 | Cobelius | so I should more defferintiate between BitBake and OpenEmbedded |
| 15:48.31 | zecke | Cobelius: well your documentation should be technically accurate and correct |
| 15:51.02 | Cobelius | Okay I'll keep it in mind a will rewrite the part about the software |
| 15:53.42 | oho | could some one please help me to figure out what the problem with this error is: pastebin.ca/26927 I get it when I try to bake my own kernel with the following .bb file: pastebin.ca/26928 --- thank you |
| 15:57.05 | hrw|work | ok. cleaned a bit more |
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| 16:02.16 | Cobelius | Thank you for your help and bye |
| 16:03.43 | oho | or could some one please give me the .bb file they are using to create custome kernels |
| 16:04.25 | hrw|work | oho: linux-epia? |
| 16:05.55 | oho | hrw: sorry I don't know what linux-epia is --- is that part of the output ? |
| 16:06.35 | oho | I am just googeling for it |
| 16:07.02 | lardman | hrw|work | RP: is cpufreq in the dev kernel for c7x0 not (rc4) ? |
| 16:07.09 | lardman | s/not/now |
| 16:07.35 | oho | hrw: the kernel I try to compile is for a hp 2200 ipaq |
| 16:07.35 | RP | lardman: Its in the dev kernel which is the rc4 one |
| 16:08.03 | lardman | RP: cool, I was just looking at the defconfig and saw the entries in there already, I'll remove my patch addition to the .bb |
| 16:08.45 | RP | Yes, I added it to the defconfig |
| 16:09.11 | lardman | RP: and the patch is either in mainline or included in another of your patches? |
| 16:09.43 | lardman | RP: ignore me, I see it in there |
| 16:09.57 | RP | lardman: I added the patch to my archive of them so I can track revisions |
| 16:10.08 | hrw|work | oho: does not h2200 included already? |
| 16:10.39 | lardman | RP: that's fine, I'm happy it's in the build, saves me having to fiddle with the files everytime I update ;) |
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| 16:11.12 | oho | hrw: h2200 is included in the oe environment |
| 16:12.08 | oho | hrw: the thing I don't understand it that when I build the kernel manually using a toolchain it compiles, but under oe I get all these errors |
| 16:13.21 | hrw|work | bad luck |
| 16:14.01 | oho | fair enough, but these errors must have a cause or not ? |
| 16:16.14 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:17.04 | LoDown | oho, what errors are you getting under oe? |
| 16:17.55 | oho | LoDown: http://pastebin.ca/26927 |
| 16:22.16 | oho | one of the errors is that arm-linux-depmod: command not found , but I thought oe is providing all the tools it needs !? |
| 16:22.44 | lardman | If I want to submit a bug about a patch, should I add a patch for a patch to the bugtracker, or just a fixed patch? |
| 16:23.57 | lardman | bug 422 this is - the patch itself is very short, but I have a patch for the patch is needs be |
| 16:24.15 | koen | sweet |
| 16:24.21 | koen | my bugzilla plugin works |
| 16:27.16 | koen | lardman: doesn't that break 2.4? |
| 16:30.48 | koen | oho: stop using your own packages |
| 16:30.54 | koen | oho: the h2200 build works out of the box |
| 16:31.32 | koen | oho: don't say 'the kernel' when you mean 'something I hacked up' |
| 16:34.16 | oho | koen: all I have done is a few changes to the kernel config file, as there are a few problems with my wifi card and I tried to take all the other network adapters out in order to see if I can get it to work --- therefore I would argue it is not really a hack |
| 16:34.43 | koen | wifi modules are built outside the kernel |
| 16:35.06 | lardman | koen: hmm, might do, however last time I looked at least one of the 2.4 kernel modules had a different name anyway (sl811_cs.o not hc_sl811_cs.o afaicr) |
| 16:35.07 | oho | koen: but I thought I can compile them into the kernel or not ? |
| 16:35.29 | RP | 2.6.14 is out. Two weeks or merging start now :-/ |
| 16:35.32 | koen | lardman: yes, and that patch changes the names :) |
| 16:36.09 | lardman | koen: Yes, it does change the names, but 2.4 would have been broken anyway - I'll have to patch cfu1 to rename the modules to the same as 2.6 uses |
| 16:37.49 | koen | lardman: why would 2.4 be broken? |
| 16:37.49 | koen | bluelightning and I fixed that a few months ago |
| 16:41.01 | lardman | koen: No idea, but it appears that 2.4 should produce two modules - sl811_cs.o and hc_sl811.o, this is not what the patch tells the pcmcia subsystem to load even before my patch |
| 16:41.13 | mreimer | oho: cpufreq on h2200 will work properly as long as you don't load any of the drivers that use its HAMCOP ASIC. More work needs to be done to get those to adjust their clocks when cpufreq changes the PXA's clock |
| 16:42.33 | lardman | koen: I may be mistaken though, I've not run 2.4 for a long while now, and someone else may have altered cfu1.bb |
| 16:42.51 | koen | it's builtin in 2.4 for familiar |
| 16:43.03 | koen | ehm |
| 16:43.10 | koen | the kernel generates the modules |
| 16:45.31 | oho | mreimer: I try to use the hostap_cs module, I am not sure if this is one of the ones you mean |
| 16:45.59 | lardman | koen: For the Zaurus it's not built in, and is provided by packages/cfu1, therefore whichever way we look at it, there's an incompatibility# |
| 16:46.42 | mreimer | oho: oops, l think I misread. sorry for being irrelevant |
| 16:47.45 | lardman | koen: I've no idea how to handle conditional patching, anyone? I would however be tempted to adopt the naming scheme used by the 2.6. kernels as that's the way things will go for everyone eventually |
| 16:49.01 | koen | 'eventually' |
| 16:49.19 | lardman | well it's broken for me at the moment whichever kernel version I run |
| 16:49.39 | koen | it works for all ipaqs supported by familiar :) |
| 16:50.36 | lardman | Even those running the 2.6 kernels...? |
| 16:50.49 | koen | you could do SRC_URI_append_openzaurus=" <patch>" |
| 16:51.05 | koen | there aren't any 2.6 ipaq supported by familiar yet |
| 16:53.44 | mreimer | though h2200 is this close: >< |
| 16:53.53 | lardman | When was the patch added to pcmcia-cs, it worked fine when I last ran OZ with a 2.4 kernel using a separate /etc/pcmcia/cfu1.conf file), therefore cfu1 was broken by the change unless the separate conf takes precedence? ;) |
| 16:55.46 | lardman | Does the SRC_URI_openzaurus thing work with a version number too? |
| 16:56.07 | koen | not that I know off |
| 16:56.16 | koen | only DISTRO is in overriders |
| 16:56.40 | lardman | Not to worry, there aren't many people with a ratoc card, I'm sure they'll survive |
| 17:05.14 | kergoth | ~ewi |
| 17:05.17 | ibot | hmm... ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
| 17:17.06 | lardman | have a nice weekend everyone, bye |
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| 17:40.06 | oho | using a standard kernel bb file from oe and not a "hacked" version I get sh: line 1: arm-linux-depmod: command not found and sh: line 1: ipkg-build: command not found - do I have to install the manually ? |
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| 17:44.12 | hrw | hi |
| 17:44.19 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/cf_database/test.php - searching added |
| 17:45.19 | koen | wow |
| 17:45.25 | koen | that looks messed up in safari |
| 17:45.33 | hrw | shot? |
| 17:51.56 | hrw | ok. searching funcionality works. |
| 17:53.01 | hrw | now reimplement sorting |
| 18:06.59 | hrw | hi chouimat |
| 18:07.32 | chouimat | hi hrw ... I like being my own boss ... I can start late if I want ... |
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| 18:08.37 | hrw | I need better hosting.. |
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| 21:44.55 | Bernardo | RP: booting into kernel 2.6 now... |
| 21:45.42 | Bernardo | udev complained of a pre 2.6.12 kernel... maybe the flash didn't go well |
| 21:46.09 | Bernardo | yep, looks like it didn't flash the correct zImage... :( |
| 21:50.13 | Bernardo | RP: now I flashed the right one, and it booted with the screen sideways |
| 21:50.36 | Bernardo | RP: and tons of jfffs2 errors |
| 21:51.18 | Bernardo | RP: followed by a "kernel panic - not syncing: No init found." |
| 21:52.31 | Bernardo | RP: any ideas on what next? |
| 21:53.11 | Bernardo | I'm trying a reflash, but with little hope... |
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| 21:56.36 | Bernardo | RP: no luck. the screen boots in portrait mode instead of landscape, and I get the same kernel panic. I'll try tomorrow again, and do whatever you suggest... |
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