| 00:01.07 | kergoth | i need to find /something/ that can manage to keep me motivated and interested. if its boring, i cant concentrate on it, cant get shit for code out |
| 00:01.33 | ggilbert | stupid freenode |
| 00:01.37 | ggilbert | wont let me send you a message |
| 00:01.44 | JustinP | kergoth: I'm the same way |
| 00:11.42 | kergoth | JustinP: i'm torn. i'd really like to get a job that doesnt involve computers, something that doesnt require too much thought, grunt work, so it doesnt ruin my hobbies. but .. i like making lots of money :P |
| 00:11.55 | JustinP | yeah |
| 00:16.33 | JustinP | I just wish I really cared about my job |
| 00:17.46 | treke | mine has had too much politics lately |
| 00:17.51 | treke | really drives me nuts |
| 00:18.06 | kergoth | nod, thatd be nice. i can barely manage to make myself care about losing the job, much less doing well in it |
| 00:18.09 | kergoth | treke: doh :( |
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| 00:22.45 | JustinP | kergoth: exactly |
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| 00:42.13 | treke | How's bugzilla working? |
| 00:42.20 | treke | I haven't gotten any emails lately complaining :p |
| 00:42.45 | treke | then again I did killfile openembedded.org :p |
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| 01:19.18 | mjc | 433MB of updates to FC4 |
| 01:19.20 | mjc | woo. |
| 01:21.34 | Geo_KM | Anyone tried building opie-image or opie-kdepim-image lately for oz 3.5.4? |
| 01:30.43 | Geo_KM | I put a bug report in (#390) for some problems, only building these 2. bootstrap-image and gpe-image work fine. |
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| 02:37.44 | mjc | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook defaced |
| 02:40.21 | mjc | reversed |
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| 04:37.37 | CIA-7 | php: Add version 5.0.5 and 2 patches for it |
| 04:37.37 | CIA-7 | - the current libxml2 build will not allow PHP5 to compile. --without-schemas has to be removes |
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| 05:30.19 | CIA-7 | appweb: Add version 2.0.4 and patches |
| 05:30.19 | CIA-7 | - The init script currently does not work (I assume it's using RedHat semantics) |
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| 06:36.48 | koobla | hi all! |
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| 06:58.51 | alan|laptop | morning. |
| 06:59.08 | Bilbolodz | morning |
| 07:02.46 | acevin | hi.Bilbolodz |
| 07:03.24 | Bilbolodz | h |
| 07:03.29 | Bilbolodz | hi, |
| 07:04.35 | acevin | opie-bluetoothapplet have sorme errors,did you know some patch for it |
| 07:05.16 | AvengerMoJo | hi guys |
| 07:05.26 | AvengerMoJo | can I change the tmpfs mount size? |
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| 08:36.30 | koen | hrw|gone_: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/pdaXrom-builder-01.14_11.10.05.tar.bz2 |
| 08:40.46 | XorA | morning |
| 08:41.02 | XorA | koen: woo woo, brand spanky new gnumeric |
| 08:41.14 | koen | yup |
| 08:41.28 | koen | the bastards released 1.6.0 an hour after I added 1.5.90 |
| 08:44.22 | XorA | koen: we so far outfeature pdaXrom its unreal :-) |
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| 08:45.13 | koen | XorA: I think we can add a lot of patches from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/pdaXrom-builder/patches-local/ to OE |
| 08:52.40 | RP | morning all |
| 08:53.40 | XorA | ~lart blackberry |
| 08:55.00 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
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| 08:55.30 | AvengerMoJo | when mounting var on tmpfs ... can I assign size? |
| 08:59.31 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r190f2a68... 10/: |
| 08:59.31 | CIA-7 | libopieobex0: added missing DEPENDS on openobex-apps |
| 08:59.31 | CIA-7 | - this will close bug #392 |
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| 09:21.02 | guillermo | I found a bug related with dbh library |
| 09:21.15 | guillermo | but I don't know how to create a patch |
| 09:21.26 | guillermo | any help? |
| 09:21.43 | koen | file a bug and someone will look at it |
| 09:21.48 | guillermo | ok |
| 09:21.49 | guillermo | thx |
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| 09:40.43 | Pigi | Ciao all |
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| 09:47.13 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r45048189... 10/: preferred-gpe-versions-2.7: prefer gpe-login 0.83 |
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| 09:47.25 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r70ee1b52... 10/: openzaurus-pxa,sa 2.4.18: fix openswan SRC_URI |
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| 09:47.54 | AvengerMoJo | when mounting var on tmpfs ... can I assign size? |
| 09:52.50 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf452e7f7... 10/: blueprobe: support h6300, closes #373 |
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| 10:21.11 | CIA-7 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r665676b7... 10/: |
| 10:21.11 | CIA-7 | libopieobex: DEPEND on openobex-apps, not just RDEPEND on it |
| 10:21.11 | CIA-7 | (to make it available @ image construction time) |
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| 10:21.15 | CIA-7 | add machine configuration and linux kernel for the HTC Blueangel |
| 10:21.15 | CIA-7 | patch courtesy Ian Jordan <immolo@lycos.co.uk> |
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| 12:12.07 | dwildes | Hey guys, Good Morning. I'm getting 'connection refused' on monotone |
| 12:14.55 | koen | use one of the backup servers |
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| 12:21.01 | koen | hey kergoth |
| 13:04.56 | mithro | hey from linuxconf |
| 13:09.11 | koen|uni | hey mithro |
| 13:09.44 | koen|uni | mithro: conf or Kongress? |
| 13:11.53 | mithro | bah |
| 13:11.56 | mithro | Kongress |
| 13:12.01 | mithro | doing to many things at once |
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| 13:45.50 | alan|laptop | hi ! |
| 13:51.51 | fdv | hi. the latest oe presentation on the web site (written by mickeyl, if I'm not mistaken) states two of the goals of the oe project as 'being linux distribution and architecture agnostic' and 'support multiple build and target operating systems'. can anybody help me out with the distinction between linux distribution agnostic and support for multiple OSs? |
| 13:52.44 | MP0 | I interpret that to mean support all linux distros and some OSes |
| 13:53.05 | fdv | I would think so |
| 13:53.27 | fdv | but does that cover both build and target platforms? |
| 13:54.19 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 13:54.51 | fdv | ok, thanks |
| 13:57.12 | fdv | in addition to familiar, intimate and openzaurus, are there any other linux distributions for PDAs around? |
| 14:04.21 | koen|uni | maybe emdebian |
| 14:04.24 | koen|uni | and maemo |
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| 14:07.39 | df00z | mickyl: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349 what did you want me to do here |
| 14:10.18 | fdv | koen|uni: thanks |
| 14:21.05 | fdv | sorry to hassle about this, but are any other OSs than linux currently supported by oe? |
| 14:27.20 | fdv | thought I saw something about Mac OS X |
| 14:27.23 | koen|uni | as host or as target? |
| 14:27.36 | koen|uni | zecke is trying to get OE to work on fbsd and osx |
| 14:27.43 | fdv | as build? |
| 14:28.07 | koen|uni | as host for building images for the target |
| 14:28.17 | fdv | ok |
| 14:28.27 | fdv | what about targets? |
| 14:29.22 | koen|uni | only linux afaik |
| 14:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | nothing currently supported - but there's no reason why a GNU tool based OS wouldn't be |
| 14:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | I'll bet ya it wouldn't be much at all to spit out, say VxWorks |
| 14:30.41 | fdv | aren't they moving on to linux? |
| 14:34.32 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:35.03 | koen|uni | hey chouimat |
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| 15:20.34 | gb2 | morning kergoth |
| 15:20.40 | kergoth | hey |
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| 15:56.29 | mjc | heh |
| 15:59.45 | Pigi | later all |
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| 16:22.43 | hrw | hi |
| 16:23.08 | MP0 | hi |
| 16:23.30 | hrw | mickeyl: you dont have a |something? |
| 16:30.21 | mjc | hey hrw |
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| 17:06.59 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r07cf7b32... 10/: octave: add 2.1.71 |
| 17:07.38 | katossi | RP: after flashing qpe-image and a 2.6 kernel I get and "init not found" error |
| 17:07.41 | katossi | what does it mean |
| 17:07.58 | katossi | is it a flashing error or a kernel errot? |
| 17:12.11 | JustinP | katossi: sounds like your image didn't flash |
| 17:12.23 | RP | katossi: Which device? |
| 17:12.29 | katossi | but the image had the right name |
| 17:12.31 | katossi | akita |
| 17:12.51 | RP | which images did you flash? |
| 17:12.59 | katossi | gpe-image |
| 17:13.14 | katossi | I tried the oz 3.5.3 and everything was right |
| 17:13.20 | RP | You flashed an initrd.bin and a zimage.bin? |
| 17:13.24 | katossi | but I compiled my own and I got that |
| 17:13.27 | katossi | yes |
| 17:14.13 | RP | check if /sbin/init exists in your tmp/rootfs/ directory |
| 17:14.25 | katossi | ok |
| 17:14.27 | RP | That will tell us if its the image you created or not |
| 17:14.55 | katossi | I have to wait because I'm compiling a new one |
| 17:15.00 | katossi | but thx a lot |
| 17:15.12 | katossi | btw |
| 17:15.33 | katossi | how can I contribute to the akita or 2.6 development |
| 17:15.39 | katossi | is reporting bugs enough? |
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| 17:15.56 | katossi | I could do some testing, but I don't now what to test |
| 17:16.01 | hrw | cu |
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| 17:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | mickeyl: I get the same "I can't develop in OE" complaints from my engineers here |
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| 17:37.54 | CosmicPenguin | Personally, I think they're a bunch of whiners, but I need to figure out a solution, or they won't use OE |
| 17:38.04 | koen | heh |
| 17:38.28 | MP0 | CosmicPenguin: The wiki tells a lot about getting started, but its not really clear how to develop stuff within the context of OE |
| 17:38.46 | MP0 | CosmicPenguin: I found out about devshell through here... |
| 17:38.57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats because you're not supposed to develop within OE |
| 17:39.48 | MP0 | ok, then I have conflicting information: according to one OE developer, OE is for developers of OE and not for people who just want to use it. |
| 17:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like complaining that the instructions for your iron aren't clear on how to make a cheese sandwich |
| 17:40.19 | MP0 | I disagree, configuration management is a part of development. |
| 17:41.07 | kergoth | OE is about building the whole, not so good at buliding indivudual pieces in a way that doesnt interfere with development |
| 17:41.57 | Crofton|laptop | what you need is an easy way to use the OE toolchain/environment to build the code you are developing |
| 17:42.06 | Crofton|laptop | without mucking about with bitbake |
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| 17:42.25 | Crofton|laptop | maybe a configure macro to find OE toolchain |
| 17:42.42 | kergoth | nod. though bitbake's knowledge is useful for packaging, most of the time you dont need to package what you're building, you just use it right there, or copy it to a target manually |
| 17:43.14 | Crofton|laptop | you can force bb to only tun a particualr bb file, which is almost good enough |
| 17:43.56 | MP0 | Speaking of which, I've noticed there are quite a few packages that don't seem to PROVIDE stuff... I assume that's part of the "building a whole" philosophy. |
| 17:44.15 | Crofton|laptop | although I kind of like ./configure --with-oe-toolchain /home/tmp/staging/arm |
| 17:44.41 | kergoth | MP0: what do you mean? |
| 17:46.04 | MP0 | well, for example: |
| 17:46.05 | MP0 | grep -r "PROVIDE" /opt/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/cairo/ |
| 17:46.11 | MP0 | <no results> |
| 17:46.18 | koen | so? |
| 17:46.29 | koen | a package always provides itself |
| 17:46.30 | MP0 | that didn't cause a problem for me, because luckily pango provides pango and cairo is a dependency |
| 17:46.34 | kergoth | read bitbake.conf |
| 17:46.35 | MP0 | really? |
| 17:46.41 | kergoth | you're clearly not understanding how oe works |
| 17:46.50 | MP0 | according to the wiki, it may, but it doesn't have to |
| 17:46.58 | kergoth | theres .conf, which is global, affects everything, and theres bbclasses that defines more stuff |
| 17:47.01 | MP0 | yeah, lemme read bitbake.conf |
| 17:47.11 | kergoth | you only see a _fraction_ of what is by looking at hte .bb |
| 17:47.14 | kergoth | and thats by design. |
| 17:47.36 | kergoth | theres a showdata task to dump all the data in a .bb, including what came from classes and configuration data |
| 17:47.44 | kergoth | you'll see the PROVIDES for it there. |
| 17:48.27 | MP0 | PROVIDES = "" |
| 17:48.31 | MP0 | (bitbake.conf) |
| 17:49.55 | kergoth | eh? |
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| 17:49.59 | kergoth | you're looking at the wrong one. |
| 17:50.05 | kergoth | look at _oe_'s bitbake.conf |
| 17:50.13 | kergoth | bitbake obeys BBPATH to find its files |
| 17:50.26 | MP0 | k |
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| 17:52.53 | _chronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.02 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:53.35 | _chronic | oops! soz ... |
| 17:53.47 | MP0 | out of curiousity, has the 2.6.14 kernel changed how usbdfu works? I don't see it anymore in the kernel tree, so I assume there's a replacement |
| 17:53.51 | JustinP | always do that on your command terminal... |
| 17:54.21 | MP0 | (usbdfu = usb driver firmware uploader) |
| 17:54.50 | _chronic | JustinP: indeed :-/ |
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| 18:06.11 | MP0 | nevermind my question about usbdfu... bad readme needs updating with new name of the driver |
| 18:06.15 | zecke | cya later |
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| 18:15.22 | sirfred | Good evening. |
| 18:22.26 | MP0 | evening |
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| 18:54.19 | dwildes | Does anyone have trouble pulling updates from monotone? |
| 18:54.42 | dwildes | I'm trying to do a 'monotone pull' & 'monotone update' to get the latest php5 stuff, but they aren't downloading |
| 18:55.32 | dwildes | This morning whenever I done an update, I got a few 'certs in' & 'revs in' info - but nothing different in my packages/php directory |
| 18:58.13 | dwildes | can anyone else run an update (via anonymous) and see if they repo is updated? |
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| 19:03.03 | pb_ | hi all |
| 19:03.13 | dwildes | hey pb |
| 19:03.30 | dwildes | hey pb - will you do favor for me if you can? |
| 19:03.32 | mreimer | hi pb_ |
| 19:03.44 | dwildes | can you do a monotone update & see if you have the latest php .bb files? |
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| 19:05.03 | pb_ | dwildes: sorry, I don't have a monotone tree here |
| 19:05.22 | dwildes | pb_: doh! thanks anyway |
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| 19:52.16 | mickeyl | heya |
| 20:00.21 | pb_ | hail mickeyl |
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| 20:13.30 | JustinP | dwildes: when you do a monotone update does it work? |
| 20:13.58 | dwildes | it acts like it does, goes through the motions - but I don't see any files changed |
| 20:14.09 | dwildes | then if I do another update - it says I'm up to date |
| 20:14.14 | CIA-7 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb20f7b24... 10/: jlime.conf: rename to jlime-shrek, add preferred versions to make an opie-image buildable |
| 20:14.17 | CIA-7 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2f764149... 10/: jlime-shrek.conf: set TARGET_OS = linux |
| 20:16.09 | dwildes | I just finished downloading the oe.db again from www.openembedded.org |
| 20:16.20 | dwildes | was going to do a fresh checkout to see that helps |
| 20:16.43 | dwildes | now I issued: monotone --db=/stuff/oe.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev |
| 20:16.59 | dwildes | <removed 'stuff' with my directory> |
| 20:17.09 | dwildes | and lo-and-behold, all the packages are there |
| 20:17.22 | MP0 | That was fast. |
| 20:17.34 | dwildes | :-) at least I can get back and work |
| 20:17.49 | dwildes | I just don't know why my old repo wouldn't update/sync with the fresh one? |
| 20:18.29 | dwildes | MP0 - yeah, took me about 20min to download oe.db, and about 30sec to checkout the branch |
| 20:18.51 | MP0 | ah, no update |
| 20:19.01 | MP0 | that does speed things up considerably |
| 20:19.20 | dwildes | my update wouldn't work |
| 20:19.40 | dwildes | that's why I was whining in here a bit ago *hahah* |
| 20:19.44 | MP0 | yeah :-/ Now I know why Linus Torvald was so pissed off at Tridgell |
| 20:20.39 | ade|desk | MP0: ? |
| 20:21.35 | MP0 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/14/torvalds_attacks_tridgell/ |
| 20:21.40 | JustinP | dwildes: perhaps you weren't pulling on the DB that you were updating from? Or perhaps your update was happening on a different checkout? |
| 20:21.52 | JustinP | dwildes: you always could have tried a new checkout from your DB to see if that helped |
| 20:21.53 | dwildes | no - same oe.db (I only had one) |
| 20:22.15 | JustinP | well, flad it's "fixed" now :-| |
| 20:22.17 | dwildes | now I have two, because I just downloaded the latest oe.db |
| 20:22.18 | JustinP | flad? |
| 20:22.19 | JustinP | glad |
| 20:22.41 | dwildes | yeah - just be warned if anyone else mentions something like that - just recommend a fresh checkout I guess |
| 20:22.58 | dwildes | I just have to reconfig my OE environment |
| 20:23.06 | dwildes | and I'll be on my way :-) |
| 20:24.20 | JustinP | hopefully you didn't delete your tmpdir? |
| 20:24.24 | JustinP | or you have a fast machine... |
| 20:24.41 | JustinP | or...heh, this is x86 so I guess the toolchain is "provided" ;-) |
| 20:24.59 | dwildes | a full rebuild of my image takes about 1.5 hrs, so it's not that bad of a wait |
| 20:25.03 | MP0 | Well, I'm impressed. Took a .bb from the libsdl package, changed it to use fbcon instead of x11, and it compiled perfectly. |
| 20:25.10 | MP0 | I just hope it works |
| 20:25.17 | dwildes | at this point - I had rather just go from scratch ;) |
| 20:25.21 | JustinP | MP0: it's often like that. My first bbs were simple and easy ^_^ |
| 20:25.39 | MP0 | I'm not sure why they don't provide an fbcon bb |
| 20:25.53 | MP0 | or enable fbcon on the x11 or qpe builds |
| 20:25.55 | JustinP | dwildes: I hope it all works for you. I know that appweb needs some init.d love, but the app itself should work if you know how to invoke it...I hope |
| 20:26.03 | MP0 | heh |
| 20:26.18 | dwildes | hehe - yeah, I can get it running if it compiles nicely |
| 20:26.36 | dwildes | I'll even fix the init script if I get in there |
| 20:26.38 | JustinP | :-) |
| 20:26.46 | JustinP | well they both compiled and installed on my Z |
| 20:27.04 | MP0 | JustinP, I'm not fully conversant in how OE works (as people on this chat room love to remind me)... could you clarify a small question: when bitbake compiles something that depends on a,b, and c, how does it get the header files for them? |
| 20:27.05 | dwildes | nice - I'll know my situation in ~2 hrs |
| 20:29.05 | JustinP | MP0: the headers are put into tmp/staging by the install step |
| 20:29.17 | JustinP | (or maybe it's the staging step...) |
| 20:29.27 | MP0 | so essentially you use the -I option to include the staging directory? |
| 20:30.37 | JustinP | MP0: yes |
| 20:30.57 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 20:31.17 | JustinP | pb_: libxml...why --without-schemas? |
| 20:31.32 | kergoth | hey |
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| 22:12.05 | katossi | anyone using xfce? |
| 22:14.50 | katossi | there are dependencies on packages that doesn't exist |
| 22:15.17 | katossi | xfwm4-mcs-plugins for example |
| 22:17.22 | JustinP | katossi: submit a bug. But make sure to search first. |
| 22:18.04 | katossi | I did |
| 22:18.07 | katossi | I'm pretty sure |
| 22:18.14 | katossi | but it's weird |
| 22:18.25 | katossi | there are 4 non existant packages |
| 22:18.41 | katossi | btw, I found a bug about dbh library and I report it |
| 22:19.07 | katossi | I have just created a patch, but it's the first time I do it and I don't know if it's 100% right |
| 22:19.17 | katossi | should I post it to the bugzila anyway? |
| 22:24.45 | pb_ | yeah, go ahead |
| 22:25.02 | pb_ | if it's not quite right, someone will tell you. |
| 22:26.33 | katossi | ok |
| 22:26.35 | katossi | thx |
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| 22:32.30 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r47f2334c... 10/: file: autotools_stage_all in 4.13 |
| 22:32.34 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r65cb03de... 10/: libeina: add 0.96.5 |
| 22:37.17 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:39.30 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9576976c... 10/: libeina: update to 0.96.7 |
| 22:39.51 | RP | sleep commits :) |
| 22:40.55 | mreimer | yeah, imagine how much more productive OE would be if we all did that |
| 23:07.01 | katossi | if I modify a bb file, and I want to restore it to the "official" version, is it enough doing "monotone {pull,update}" ? |
| 23:07.54 | mreimer | monotone revert file |
| 23:08.24 | katossi | thx |
| 23:08.40 | katossi | that way I learned not to mess with the tree |
| 23:08.41 | katossi | :) |
| 23:08.44 | katossi | good night |