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| 09:54.50 | RP | morning all |
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| 09:57.21 | gsuveg | re |
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| 10:23.59 | RP | morning koen |
| 10:27.05 | koen | hey RP |
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| 10:39.53 | pb_ | hi zecke |
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| 10:59.41 | chris144|home | hi folks |
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| 11:24.24 | reenoo_ | morning |
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| 11:42.18 | immolo | Hello, I'm having trouble with bluez-utils-dbus and I was wondering if someone could help me |
| 11:42.21 | immolo | http://pastebin.com/380403 |
| 11:42.31 | immolo | is the output I'm getting |
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| 11:58.02 | koen | immolo: looks like you're missing kernel headers |
| 11:59.00 | immolo | ah, but shouldn't that be a dep somewhere along the lines? |
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| 12:01.34 | koen | no idea |
| 12:01.51 | koen | I don't know how your machine.conf is set up |
| 12:02.27 | immolo | its just the h3900 changed to load some different modules and a 2.6 kernel |
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| 12:19.33 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3f2c299a... 10/: packages/gomunicator/: add gomunicator, a GPE frontend for GSM cards and pdaphones |
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| 13:45.43 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1d068ad7... 10/: lots of files: update Phil Blundell's email address |
| 13:50.00 | chouimat | m orning |
| 13:50.10 | chris144|home | koen: remeber my strange package file being automatically renamed if it contians lib files from yesterday nigh? |
| 13:50.21 | koen | ah yes |
| 13:50.22 | chris144|home | koen: here is the solution: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/UsersManual_2fKeyWords?action=highlight&value=preferred#head-77455698152a5db2014e6602b5e3c4d26cb4cc4a |
| 13:50.24 | koen | that initended |
| 13:50.43 | koen | we follow debian package naming |
| 13:51.00 | chris144|home | koen: it has to do with AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS. |
| 13:51.49 | chris144|home | :-) |
| 13:51.58 | koen | cheers :) |
| 13:52.05 | chris144|home | thanks |
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| 14:27.32 | zecke | hey |
| 14:30.12 | koen | hey zecke |
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| 14:58.47 | Bernardo | anyone using oe on a amd64 system besides me? |
| 14:59.06 | benoit | Bernardo: i just got an account on an x86-64 machine :-) |
| 14:59.22 | benoit | Bernardo: hello btw :) |
| 14:59.29 | Bernardo | hi benoit |
| 14:59.40 | koen | Bernardo: yes, but I'm using a 32bit kernel and userspace |
| 14:59.47 | Bernardo | I hope we'll be able to track down this libtool problem by then |
| 15:00.02 | gs_ | hi koen |
| 15:00.13 | koen | hey gs_ |
| 15:00.22 | gs_ | what's new ? |
| 15:00.40 | gs_ | long time no see |
| 15:00.54 | Bernardo | benoit: maybe then you won't see this problem... I'm on pure 64 bits |
| 15:01.17 | Bernardo | it does fly, though - gets to the bugs really fast |
| 15:02.33 | benoit | Bernardo: i'm on pure 64 bits too :-) |
| 15:02.40 | benoit | Bernardo: but i'm not using this machine for OE yet |
| 15:03.09 | gs_ | benoit AMD64 ? |
| 15:03.46 | benoit | gs_: yep. but i just have an ssh account (it's a friend box) |
| 15:03.53 | koen | gs_: do you have irssi+screen on your loft already? |
| 15:04.11 | Bernardo | benoit: all you'll need is a native 2.95.3 toolchain, which is really fast to build, and then hope you don't get the same libtool bug that is hurting me |
| 15:04.23 | gs_ | koen via debian yes |
| 15:04.40 | gs_ | I've just played a little with the OE build |
| 15:04.47 | koen | how big is a minimal debian install nowadays? |
| 15:05.13 | koen | A few years ago I could trick debian into only using 30MB |
| 15:05.17 | gs_ | I've actually run into an issue with unfreeze on that latest OE that is doesn't for Openslug on my gentoo box |
| 15:05.37 | gs_ | koen I think it starts out around 140MB |
| 15:05.49 | benoit | Bernardo: currently. i'm setting up my whole ipv6 network :-) |
| 15:06.12 | gs_ | it hasn't been tuned at all |
| 15:06.18 | Bernardo | benoit: haven't even started looking at ipv6 yet |
| 15:06.35 | benoit | Bernardo: i got two connections already ... however, my network is quite complex. |
| 15:06.38 | Bernardo | right now all I want is to start building openzaurus with oe again |
| 15:07.02 | Bernardo | well, mine has a dmz, a wifi area, and a internal lan... |
| 15:07.10 | gs_ | I really think there are at least two main markets... Debian (easy, big and older), OE (harder, smaller, in-flux) |
| 15:07.16 | benoit | Bernardo: i got a lot more :-) |
| 15:07.40 | benoit | Bernardo: and ipv6 should be the answer to accces all my machine anywhere in the world :-) |
| 15:07.46 | NAiLzZz | gs_ :) |
| 15:09.37 | gs_ | hey NAiL ! |
| 15:10.49 | gs_ | koen btw the Sandisk ultras are ~50-60 for 512MB and they run at 10MBs, I haven't played with the Extereme's that run at 20MBs |
| 15:11.54 | gs_ | it's also only ~100 for a 2G microdrive |
| 15:12.35 | gs_ | they are way slower though.... |
| 15:13.22 | gs_ | e3 card ? |
| 15:13.28 | koen | extreme 3 |
| 15:13.31 | gs_ | AH... |
| 15:13.43 | gs_ | yeah I got that after hit return :) |
| 15:13.58 | gs_ | have you run that on the slug at all ? |
| 15:14.49 | gs_ | when I switch usb2 adapters I could drive media rates from my P4 to the devices |
| 15:15.08 | gs_ | 3.4MB for the microdrive and ~10 for the Ultra |
| 15:15.55 | gs_ | koen is the e3 for a camera or computer app ? |
| 15:16.05 | koen | camera |
| 15:16.55 | gs_ | it's a great time to be a geek :) |
| 15:21.41 | koen | how does it perform in the cf slot? |
| 15:28.11 | mickeyl | hi folks |
| 15:28.13 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 15:28.25 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl |
| 15:29.56 | reenoo_ | hey mickeyl |
| 15:29.59 | reenoo_ | morning kergoth |
| 15:30.05 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:30.08 | koen | hey kergoth |
| 15:30.33 | Bernardo | hi kergoth |
| 15:31.32 | mickeyl | yo kergie |
| 15:40.50 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 15:40.58 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 15:43.56 | lardman | mickeyl: As a BT guru, did you see my BT class 'bug' - am I going mad, or does that make sense? |
| 15:44.05 | mickeyl | class bug? |
| 15:44.13 | mickeyl | can you point me to a bug number? |
| 15:44.31 | lardman | Bug 363 |
| 15:44.33 | koen | 363 |
| 15:45.50 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 15:46.25 | koen | https://www.bluetooth.org/foundry/assignnumb/document/baseband |
| 15:46.45 | mickeyl | nono |
| 15:46.47 | lardman | What I said is not strictly true - the two LSbits can be non-zero, but that means a different format number, and there's only one in use atm |
| 15:46.51 | mickeyl | books rule, |
| 15:46.54 | mickeyl | web sucksz |
| 15:48.05 | mickeyl | *sigh* ~lart books |
| 15:48.09 | koen | hehe |
| 15:48.21 | mickeyl | full text search is lacking ;) |
| 15:49.17 | lardman | index? ;) |
| 15:50.51 | koen | lets change the 2 to a 0 |
| 15:50.56 | zecke | mickeyl: wait for OLED based ebooks |
| 15:51.18 | koen | and convince someone to write a shellscript with machines + classes |
| 15:52.58 | mickeyl | essentially this is a device specific |
| 15:53.22 | mickeyl | as such it should either be a statically defined (which is bad) or dynamically (which is good) |
| 15:53.31 | mickeyl | static would mean machine.conf |
| 15:53.36 | lardman | It can be static for a given device though for the most part |
| 15:53.54 | mickeyl | the problem with static is that we would need different packages then |
| 15:54.00 | mickeyl | which is kind of backwards |
| 15:54.15 | mickeyl | better use - like koen said - a script to set it dynamically and build all knowledge into the script |
| 15:54.15 | lardman | can it not be 'patched' at build time? |
| 15:54.34 | mickeyl | sure it can, but then you end up with different packackes just because the machine class |
| 15:54.45 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 15:55.21 | lardman | so have the script run as postinst or similar and decide what the class should be |
| 15:55.26 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 15:55.58 | mickeyl | i think this is better than creating 10 bluez-utils-hcidconf packages |
| 15:56.02 | mickeyl | imo |
| 15:56.23 | lardman | yes - I only tend to build for one machine so I'd forgotten about that |
| 15:58.09 | koen | koen@dominion:/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine$ ls | grep -v commont | grep -v tune | grep -v zaurus |wc -l |
| 15:58.12 | koen | 55 |
| 15:58.40 | koen | only 52 when I spell common correct |
| 15:58.40 | mickeyl | i still think we should move some of the .conf files which are not directly machine configurations into an include directory |
| 15:58.54 | mickeyl | and name them foo.inc |
| 15:59.00 | koen | and not litter it with zaurus includes ;) |
| 15:59.27 | mickeyl | I'll tackle that when I revamp handheld-common stuff by adding tasks |
| 15:59.40 | mickeyl | like reenoo proposed |
| 16:00.01 | mickeyl | ~lart reenoo for having always a different opinion than mine |
| 16:00.03 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:02.57 | koen | I found a link which hrw might find interesting: http://handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/Pictures/ |
| 16:03.15 | koen | it shows ipaqs using TWM 5 years ago |
| 16:03.28 | koen | the same TWM as pdaX uses :) |
| 16:03.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:04.41 | pb_ | mickeyl: heh, have you guys still not finished electing a government? |
| 16:04.42 | koen | I thought those could only have changed if that last region spd would get a 100% |
| 16:08.20 | zecke | pb_: well until the results are not quite right, we will continue ;) |
| 16:09.45 | zecke | pb_: one of the direct candidates in dresden died |
| 16:09.55 | zecke | pb_: so these guys could not cast their vote |
| 16:10.13 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 16:13.08 | mickeyl | hmm no results until 21:00 MET |
| 16:13.19 | mickeyl | not that it would matter anyway... |
| 16:13.25 | zecke | wow M$ is innovative, Office "12" can create PDFs... |
| 16:14.24 | koen | what was it, 30k searches a month on msn search about pdfs and office |
| 16:14.39 | bam_ | lol |
| 16:14.57 | bam_ | hey , copywrite violation |
| 16:15.14 | bam_ | like to see someone tell ballmer that |
| 16:15.28 | bam_ | watch him pop an artery |
| 16:15.39 | bam_ | or his head explodes |
| 16:15.41 | bam_ | :) |
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| 17:59.08 | spinpress | Can I talk about pivot_root and /linurc giving me trouble in this channel?? |
| 17:59.30 | spinpress | even better, and I ask for assistance in here for that? Or is it off topic? |
| 18:00.49 | JustinP | #openzaurus is the right place to ask for help with your Z |
| 18:00.59 | JustinP | $familiar I assume for ipaqs.... |
| 18:01.56 | spinpress | k |
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| 18:05.35 | lardman | night all |
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| 19:10.04 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r4775c80a... 10/: |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-7 | freeze, unfreeze: look for auto.conf as well as local.conf |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-7 | This matches new more recent nslu2 'master makefile' which, by default, |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-7 | does not create local.conf, so freeze/unfreeze fail to find it and put |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-7 | the frozen files in the first directory on the BBPATH (which happens now |
| 19:10.05 | CIA-7 | to be the package directory and therefore does nothing.) |
| 19:40.48 | emte | ah koen|away went away :( |
| 19:41.02 | emte | was wondering if anyone played with zgcc yet? |
| 19:41.28 | emte | if it works it would be nice to use |
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| 20:32.01 | emte | zecke, you layed with ZGCC ? |
| 20:32.04 | emte | played* |
| 20:32.42 | emte | curious about it's distcc support |
| 20:33.37 | emte | and an 8Mb c/c++ compiler isnt too shaby either |
| 20:34.31 | zecke | emte: no |
| 20:34.40 | emte | :( |
| 20:34.45 | emte | you know if anyone has? |
| 20:36.21 | emte | uses the old 2.95.2 gcc tho as a base |
| 20:36.41 | emte | to be expected tho since is for the zaurus |
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| 20:40.36 | schluppi | hello all |
| 20:44.06 | emte | hey |
| 20:46.22 | schluppi | I ve got a problem compiling an image with openembedded ... when i do a bitbake "opie-image" i get " cannot open CVS/Entries.og: Permission denied" from CVS checkout of handhelds-sa-2.6-2.6.12-hh0+cvs20051002 ... when i checkout by hand it works without problems ... has anybody an idea |
| 20:46.47 | emte | cvs is inherently flakey |
| 20:47.49 | emte | how many times did you try? |
| 20:47.59 | emte | it may have simply been a connection timeout |
| 20:48.08 | schluppi | sorry ... i am new to openembedded ... and to irc ... when i m doing something wrong please warn me |
| 20:48.39 | schluppi | I think i tried it 10 times or more |
| 20:48.47 | emte | hmm |
| 20:49.24 | schluppi | the stupid thing is ... i can get all files without problem by using native cvs |
| 20:49.39 | emte | yeah thats not uncommon |
| 20:50.04 | emte | usually its the sf cvs that gives the most problems |
| 20:50.44 | schluppi | no this is the cvs at handhelds.org |
| 20:50.52 | emte | bth why are you using today's cvs? |
| 20:50.57 | emte | btw* |
| 20:51.35 | emte | in general cvs for core elements is discouraged |
| 20:52.38 | emte | sa kernel ... hmm you are aware i hope that not everything works for that kernel |
| 20:53.09 | emte | its only fairly recently that it even became bootable |
| 20:53.33 | schluppi | ok ... thats new for me ... |
| 20:54.07 | schluppi | i simply want an image for simpads |
| 20:54.07 | emte | especially for sa, there are not a lot of people who want to write drivers for a depreciated device |
| 20:54.42 | emte | simpads use sa? |
| 20:55.15 | emte | btw i only know about the issues for ipaq |
| 20:55.29 | emte | i (unfort) cant afford a simpad |
| 20:56.11 | emte | http://opensimpad.org/wiki/ |
| 20:56.15 | schluppi | sorry as i said ... im new to opensimpad ... perhaps this kernel was included when i set my machine type and opensimpad-0.9.0 as distro |
| 20:56.15 | emte | have you been to that link? |
| 20:56.28 | emte | yeah it may have been |
| 20:56.41 | emte | or it will cqall that one if no kernel is set |
| 20:56.44 | emte | call* |
| 20:57.12 | emte | by default BB will build the latest package version |
| 20:57.23 | emte | which may or may not work |
| 20:58.02 | schluppi | is there a version known to work? |
| 20:58.27 | schluppi | or is it perhaps better to start with building an ipaq image ... |
| 20:58.49 | schluppi | then I'll try the simpad later |
| 20:58.52 | emte | http://opensimpad.org/wiki/index.php/Docs/BuildingCustomImages |
| 20:58.59 | emte | just reqading for taht myself |
| 20:59.12 | emte | i dont think mickeyl is arround right now |
| 21:00.06 | reenoo_ | heh |
| 21:00.24 | reenoo_ | emte: that page is referring to *buildroot* |
| 21:00.25 | schluppi | but this method doesnt use openembedded? does it? |
| 21:00.35 | reenoo_ | no, it doesn't |
| 21:01.03 | emte | http://opensimpad.org/wiki/index.php/Docs/HomePage |
| 21:01.09 | emte | no? |
| 21:01.45 | emte | well that shows how much i know about it :) |
| 21:01.54 | reenoo_ | right |
| 21:02.08 | emte | reenoo_, you know which simpad images might currently work? |
| 21:02.25 | reenoo_ | no |
| 21:03.01 | koen | there's a whole slew of bugs about opensimpad in bugzilla |
| 21:03.09 | emte | schluppi, you might be best off to wait until one of the simpad devels are awake then |
| 21:03.19 | emte | or ask koen |
| 21:03.36 | emte | i would but i am pretty sure i am still on his ignore list |
| 21:03.42 | emte | koen, i love you |
| 21:04.02 | emte | lol |
| 21:04.03 | reenoo_ | and killfiles |
| 21:04.11 | reenoo_ | ~praise killfiles |
| 21:04.12 | ibot | All hail killfiles! |
| 21:04.20 | schluppi | for me as beginner it seems to be better starting with somthing known to work ... |
| 21:04.23 | koen | killfiles are ignore lists for emails? |
| 21:04.27 | reenoo_ | ~botsnack |
| 21:04.27 | ibot | reenoo_: aw, gee |
| 21:04.33 | reenoo_ | koen: correct |
| 21:05.51 | emte | anyone tried the arm-gnu compiler? |
| 21:05.53 | schluppi | so far thanks for your help ... I think ill try to build an ipaq image first |
| 21:16.30 | kakos | Anyone know what the standard partition split on a C860 is? |
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| 21:30.35 | schluppi | goodnight |
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| 21:42.10 | emte | mm what fun ... |
| 21:44.04 | emte | lets update and then i'll mangle |
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| 21:51.48 | zecke | damn if I just could use quilt to make it run on OS X |
| 21:53.20 | emte | ? |
| 21:53.51 | zecke | emte: there are applications that are not POSIX.3 compatible |
| 21:53.56 | emte | playing with the gnu-csl tools myself :) |
| 21:54.01 | zecke | one of them is quilt |
| 21:54.02 | emte | ah |
| 21:54.31 | emte | yeah i am curious how much of OE will build threaded |
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| 21:56.56 | emte | or if it will even help performance |
| 22:38.23 | jnc | where to find how to set up an bitbake.conf for building a gpe image on Sharp Zaurus "spitz" c3000 hardware? |
| 22:40.41 | zecke | jnc: the OE wiki? (GettingStarted) |
| 22:41.55 | jnc | zecke: i'm there, i keep missing it |
| 22:41.57 | jnc | hm |
| 22:43.54 | jnc | oh, here's some stuff i missed |
| 22:45.58 | jnc | zecke: nope, i don't see a mention of bitbake.conf |
| 22:47.22 | chouimat | zecke: hi |
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| 22:56.25 | reenoo_ | jnc: most likely because you shouldn't mess with bitbake.conf |
| 22:56.37 | jnc | ohhh |
| 22:56.43 | jnc | then i did miss something |
| 22:57.46 | kergoth | what makes you think you need to? GettingStarted doesnt mention it for a reason |
| 22:58.30 | jnc | i think when i missed a step, there was a message complaining about bitbake.conf not being there, even though it is there. |
| 22:58.38 | jnc | so... i will try this process again |
| 22:59.05 | zecke | jnc: well do you have a BBPATH set? |
| 23:01.06 | jnc | i do now :0 |
| 23:01.20 | jnc | there is another message about psyco missing |
| 23:01.24 | jnc | i'm going to build that package now |
| 23:02.25 | kergoth | psyco is optional |
| 23:05.44 | jnc | hmm. maybe i'm missing python or something. i will continue to build psyco and all its deps will also install |
| 23:05.49 | jnc | then i will try again |
| 23:09.41 | LoDown | psyco was segfaulting on me...coulda just been my computer though... |
| 23:09.49 | LoDown | just a word of warning, thats all |
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| 23:16.30 | jnc | c/codegen.h:19:3: error: #error "sorry -- I guess it won't work like that on 64-bits machines" |
| 23:16.45 | jnc | thanks psyco |
| 23:17.26 | LoDown | jnc, ya, psyco is kinda a pain in my experience... |
| 23:32.16 | LoDown | hey, when bitbake is parsing the bb files, it gives me this error: |
| 23:32.17 | LoDown | ERROR: while parsing /oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/cvs/cvs_1.12.8.bb |
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| 23:32.26 | LoDown | is anyone else getting that? |
| 23:34.48 | zecke | LoDown: what version of bitbake? |
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| 23:46.38 | jnc | ERROR: no files to build. |
| 23:46.41 | jnc | what did i miss? |
| 23:46.51 | jnc | i wanted to do 'bitbake gpe-image' |
| 23:47.10 | jnc | ignoring the complaint about Psyco JIT Compiler not being there, i am missing something else |
| 23:48.03 | LoDown | 1.3.2.1 |
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