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| 00:15.58 | CIA-4 | openslug-init: make /etc/fstab a 'preserve' file |
| 00:15.58 | CIA-4 | This is so that a reflash does not update the file - if it is necessary |
| 00:15.58 | CIA-4 | to patch the file in the future then it will be necessary to write a |
| 00:15.58 | CIA-4 | post-install script for whatever package requires the patch. |
| 00:17.45 | CIA-4 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r642f125f... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): nslu2-kernel_2.6.14-rc2: remove nslu2-part.c from the kernel |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-4 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r7f6b7120... 10/conf/distro/ (openslug-packages.conf ucslugc-packages.conf): |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-4 | openslug,ucslugc: python now requires tcl and tk |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-4 | Added packages to the .conf file |
| 00:36.29 | CIA-4 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r607764b0... 10/conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf: openslug-packages.conf: add x11, required by tk |
| 00:37.30 | NAiL | huh? x11? |
| 00:37.43 | NAiL | jbowler-away: ping |
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| 00:39.20 | jbowler-away | NAiL: pong |
| 00:39.53 | jbowler-away | tk is a graphics toolkit, it depends on x11 |
| 00:40.32 | NAiL | yeah |
| 00:40.43 | NAiL | isn't it possible to avoid building the tk bindings? |
| 00:41.07 | NAiL | I feel building x11 just for tk support is a tad overkill ;) |
| 00:41.24 | jbowler-away | Zap mickeyl's DEPENDS addition in python.bb so that on nslu2 it doesn't include either tcl or tk |
| 00:42.05 | jbowler-away | Blargh... it's still broken - now I'm getting PREFERRED_PROVIDER errors. This is dump, I'm going to kill the change on nslu2 |
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| 04:29.12 | uv1 | MOrning |
| 04:34.58 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
| 04:45.29 | uv1 | AvengerMoJo: Hi, can you help me regarding gcc-4.0.0 for x86 ? |
| 04:48.15 | uv1 | AvengerMoJo: Sorry no more time ... Have to go to work now ;-(, Bye |
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| 08:00.54 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:10.04 | hrw|gone | morning |
| 08:11.10 | RP | morning all |
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| 08:22.05 | ade|desk | morning folks |
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| 09:22.24 | XorA | RP: morning, how was the trip? |
| 09:28.59 | RP | XorA: ok, thanks. Ice on the outside of the tent one morning :) |
| 09:30.00 | XorA | RP: wow, hasnt been that cold in this part of Scotland yet |
| 09:30.18 | ade|desk | we had frost saturday night |
| 09:30.34 | ade|desk | (cambridgeshire) |
| 09:31.04 | RP | This was Friday night/Saturday morning... |
| 09:31.30 | XorA | come to Edinburgh, the tropical city :-D |
| 09:33.04 | RP | Also came across a bike accident and had two of our group collide (at slow speed) :-/ |
| 09:37.48 | XorA | RP: pedal or motor? |
| 09:37.58 | RP | XorA: Motor |
| 09:38.01 | XorA | RP: eeek |
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| 09:38.07 | Bilbolodz | hi all, |
| 09:39.59 | hrw|work | hi Bilbolodz |
| 09:41.36 | Bilbolodz | I have a problem with bootloader: Scanning all of flash for your JFFS2 convenience and offset looping...... Any idea how to deal with this? |
| 09:49.23 | hrw|work | ask bootloader people |
| 09:55.54 | Bilbolodz | How is "bootloader people" and where I can find it? |
| 09:56.46 | hrw|work | simpad use hh.org bootloader? |
| 10:04.53 | koen | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/monotone-devel/2005-09/msg00297.html |
| 10:06.55 | hrw|work | nice |
| 10:07.07 | hrw|work | I hope that gtkmm does not need gnome |
| 10:08.38 | koen | hello |
| 10:08.41 | koen | it's called gtkmm |
| 10:08.49 | koen | not gnomemm |
| 10:10.00 | hrw|work | I noticed that |
| 10:10.19 | Bilbolodz | hrw: yes hh.org bootloader |
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| 10:10.55 | hrw|work | Bilbolodz: so maybe ask on #handhelds.org or look in hh.org wiki? |
| 10:19.30 | koen | djeez |
| 10:19.41 | koen | how freaking hard is it to get OE isn't a distro |
| 10:20.27 | koen | does it show I read the oesf forums again? |
| 10:20.56 | koen | and remind me why we were OK with ZUG using our name? |
| 10:22.56 | hrw|work | koen: I dont remember does anyone asked us when creating oesf |
| 10:23.12 | koen | me neither |
| 10:23.45 | koen | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15143&view=findpost&p=97018 |
| 10:23.51 | koen | that is what pissed me off |
| 10:24.47 | hrw|work | argh.. |
| 10:28.47 | hrw|work | that thread http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15167 looks interesting to me - some strange soft (x11) replacements for stuff from sharprom |
| 10:29.11 | koen | yeah |
| 10:29.32 | koen | but they haven't done any real searching |
| 10:29.52 | koen | they haven't found the patched balsa or our patched sylpheed |
| 10:32.35 | hrw|work | its sharprom users... |
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| 10:42.47 | hrw|work | sudo apt-get remove --purge opera |
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| 10:56.50 | lardman | Here's the output of gcc when compiled with TARGET_FPU= "": http://pastebin.ca/23942 |
| 10:57.44 | lardman | It looks like it is probably still using softfpa :( - any other suggestions? (I think I need to re-read the soft-float patch to see how to enable softvfp) |
| 10:59.09 | koen | does that mean that gcc default to softfpa when nothing is specified, or it will use softfpa when you pass -msoftfloat |
| 10:59.12 | koen | ? |
| 11:17.23 | lardman | koen: not sure, |
| 11:22.10 | lardman | What does the following do?: %{msoft-float:-mfpu=softfpa} %{!msoft-float:-mfpu=softvfp} |
| 11:23.02 | lardman | I thought it meant that if msoft-float were specified then -mfpu=softfpa would be used and if there's no mention of msoft-float then -mfpu=softvfp will be used? |
| 11:25.27 | Bilbolodz | hrw: there is a dead silence on #handheld.org |
| 11:26.36 | hrw|work | Bilbolodz: happens |
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| 11:47.54 | reenoo_ | morning |
| 11:47.56 | zecke | hey |
| 11:48.39 | koen | hey reenoo_ & zecke |
| 11:48.59 | reenoo_ | hi zecke |
| 11:49.01 | reenoo_ | yo koen |
| 11:49.30 | lardman | Actually I may have been wrong about my new toolchain: %{msoft-float:-mfpu=softfpa} - it might work if I don;t specify -msoft-float... |
| 11:50.07 | lardman | Anyone know how I can tell if a binary has been compiled with soft-float? |
| 11:50.12 | hrw|work | hi zecke, reenoo |
| 11:50.37 | zecke | man KARO is expensive... |
| 11:50.57 | zecke | lardman: not offhand, objdump is a good candidate |
| 11:51.20 | reenoo_ | hey hrw|work |
| 11:51.47 | lardman | zecke: Thanks, I'll try that |
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| 11:53.05 | zecke | lardman: I have no clue, but I would look at the div symbol |
| 11:53.43 | hrw|work | someone tested libxine 1.1.0 |
| 11:53.44 | hrw|work | ? |
| 11:54.18 | zecke | not yet (OE on OS X is not yet working) |
| 11:57.47 | lardman | Hmm, objdump gives the following: private flags = 2: [APCS-32] [FPA float format] [has entry point], not what I wanted to see |
| 11:59.26 | lardman | and a grep shows no signs of it having been compiled with -soft-float which would be the convenient explanation |
| 12:03.31 | lardman | Oh, I wonder if the objdump line above actually means I've compiled for hard-float... |
| 12:04.41 | lardman | yeah it does, drat |
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| 12:17.53 | hrw|work | hi offroadgeek |
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| 12:30.12 | mithro | so you all coming then? |
| 12:30.26 | hrw|work | where? |
| 12:32.16 | koen | LCA or Kongress? |
| 12:33.04 | zecke_ | sure |
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| 12:38.36 | mithro | both |
| 12:47.29 | mithro | Kongress would be cool, LCA would be cooler |
| 12:50.59 | do13 | Hi |
| 12:51.07 | zecke_ | do13: hey |
| 12:51.28 | zecke_ | do13: any idea why the last 6 lines of the tosa-base-machine patch are not getting applied? |
| 12:51.36 | do13 | hi zecke_ |
| 12:52.27 | do13 | zecke_: tosa-machine-base-r9.patch is old. which kernel did you try to compile? |
| 12:53.41 | zecke_ | do13: stock linux-openzaurus from OE |
| 12:53.50 | do13 | zecke_: Try linux-openzaurus-2.6.14-rc1 |
| 12:54.03 | zecke_ | do13: I did |
| 12:54.16 | zecke_ | do13: it tried to applied version r7 of the patch (and succeeded) |
| 12:54.26 | zecke_ | do13: but the last four lines of tosa.c were missing |
| 12:59.24 | do13 | zecke_: Just a moment: I will try a newer one. |
| 13:01.09 | zecke_ | do13: and the missing lines were in the patch, but they did not get applied |
| 13:01.16 | zecke_ | I have never seen such thing before |
| 13:09.06 | do13 | zecke_: I put my working version online. please download |
| 13:14.17 | zecke_ | do13: I will do it tonight (once I'm home) |
| 13:16.50 | do13 | zecke_: To build an opie-image you need this patch http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/defconfig-tosa.patch |
| 13:22.42 | zecke_ | do13: I'm going to push that tonight as well |
| 13:24.44 | zecke_ | OT: wow I can do up to four OE builds in parallel |
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| 13:32.34 | koen | zecke_: on osx? |
| 13:32.49 | zecke_ | koen: on my P4 here at ROAD ;) |
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| 13:48.28 | zecke_ | koen: I will sanitize Disconnects MacOS X patch |
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| 13:52.56 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:53.05 | MP0 | morning |
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| 13:59.12 | Bernardo | hi guys |
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| 14:23.50 | RP | zecke_, do13: That kind of patch error occurs when the number of lines listed as being in a patch is incorrect |
| 14:26.52 | hrw|work | ~users |
| 14:26.53 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 14:27.03 | koen | vanille.de is up again |
| 14:27.42 | koen | still no word from CELF |
| 14:28.18 | CIA-13 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8456894b... 10/packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: recommend some pixbuf loaders |
| 14:28.33 | hrw|work | libxine do_configure() part takes time... |
| 14:30.43 | hrw|work | I do taxes once per year |
| 14:33.13 | koen | me too, but healthcare and rentsupport are getting reformed |
| 14:36.46 | hrw|work | we choose(d) new parlament yesterday - who knows what will change... |
| 14:36.57 | hrw|work | healthcare for sure - it always change |
| 14:38.07 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I saw the right wing won? |
| 14:38.13 | hrw|work | yep |
| 14:38.20 | Bernardo | you'll probably lose healthcare |
| 14:38.29 | Bernardo | here they trashed it when they were in power |
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| 14:38.46 | hrw|work | Bernardo: here they cannot - too much pressure from people |
| 14:39.05 | hrw|work | but public healthcare is ;( |
| 14:39.27 | Bernardo | well, here they "outsourced" hospital management |
| 14:40.05 | Bernardo | reduced sick leave (50% salary for short periods, going to a max 70 for 1 year or more), etc. |
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| 14:49.43 | CIA-13 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf081336d... 10/packages/resistorui/resistorui_0.9.bb: resistorui: fix DESCRIPTION and drop MAINTAINERship |
| 14:51.00 | hrw|work | mickey|bbl: ping |
| 14:51.13 | mickeyl | pöng |
| 14:51.44 | hrw|work | mickeyl: tried libxine 1.1.0? |
| 14:52.02 | mickeyl | hrw: i'm building it atm, |
| 14:52.18 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:52.24 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 14:52.27 | mickeyl | hi koen |
| 14:52.28 | mickeyl | hi all |
| 14:52.50 | koen | 'online taxes' |
| 14:53.01 | koen | they actually mean 'download windows 9x binary' |
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| 14:58.58 | Bernardo | mickeyl: didn't have the time to "fix" pcre |
| 15:02.49 | hrw|work | mickeyl: if you build libxine 1.0 before then you need to remove shlibs file - libxine contra libxine1 names |
| 15:08.51 | reenoo_ | koen: what kind of response from CELF are you waiting for? |
| 15:09.27 | zecke_ | "Lovely, koen here is the money to make you flithy rich" |
| 15:09.42 | koen | 'We are going to hire someone to implement feature XYZ from your list" |
| 15:09.49 | koen | zecke_: that would be ok too :) |
| 15:10.04 | mickeyl | hrw|work: oops. right. |
| 15:10.04 | CosmicPenguin | I told you when the message first came out, don't hold your breath |
| 15:10.33 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: well, we don't hold it |
| 15:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart berlios |
| 15:12.17 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: if I post a patch against bitbake 1.3.2, is that new enough for your to apply to the trunk? |
| 15:12.34 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: likely |
| 15:13.14 | CosmicPenguin | I can't get svn to work right now |
| 15:13.20 | CosmicPenguin | that goes along with everything else |
| 15:13.28 | CosmicPenguin | what a crappy day already |
| 15:13.47 | hrw|work | hmm.. mplayer-atty -vo w100 looks like broken |
| 15:15.25 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: what did you patch? |
| 15:15.42 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: if I don't apply it within days, just beat me to |
| 15:17.21 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: I figured out my SVN |
| 15:17.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to post it anway, because it breaks core functionality |
| 15:17.47 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: whell why do you do it, if it breaks things? |
| 15:17.55 | zecke_ | well even... |
| 15:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | break is a strong word |
| 15:18.31 | CosmicPenguin | it adds http proxy support for CVS, and adds a perforce fetcher |
| 15:18.43 | CosmicPenguin | so it doesn't break anything, but its a major change to a sensitive area... :) |
| 15:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | and my python is only slightly better then my german |
| 15:22.08 | mickeyl | Viel Erfolg |
| 15:22.40 | RP | zecke_: Any news on getting bitbake to export the dependency information? |
| 15:23.12 | zecke_ | one more unfinished thing... |
| 15:23.18 | zecke_ | I have not hacked on it the last week |
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| 15:32.53 | lardman|work | I'm fast coming to the conclusion that I don;'t know how to enable vfp |
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| 15:37.40 | mickeyl | ~seen justinp |
| 15:37.47 | ibot | justinp is currently on #openzaurus (21h 8m 43s) #oe (21h 8m 43s) |
| 15:39.02 | alan|xchat | i see there is a e-image meta file. Does it mean i could have an openzaurus running enlightenment just by running "bitbake e-image" ?? |
| 15:40.26 | lardman|work | yes, I think so, but it's rather large - so best bake e-image-core iirc |
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| 15:46.15 | Twiun | Anyone know what the state of open source clash is? is there an open source player? |
| 15:46.18 | Twiun | err |
| 15:46.20 | Twiun | Flash* |
| 15:46.56 | hrw|work | mickeyl: we still lack poodle developer? |
| 15:47.13 | mickeyl | hrw|work: yes |
| 15:47.57 | alan|xchat | lardman|work: mmm... i guess that means the answer is the same for xfce-image... i wonder what it will look like... let's try that ! (^_^) |
| 15:48.00 | hrw|work | I could dig for right-arrow fix for poodle (someone wrote it) but it wont be tested |
| 15:48.10 | mickeyl | the xfce-image needs a lot of love |
| 15:48.20 | alan|xchat | love ? |
| 15:48.20 | mickeyl | as do the xfce* packages |
| 15:48.23 | mickeyl | care |
| 15:48.23 | mickeyl | tender |
| 15:48.25 | mickeyl | work |
| 15:48.35 | alan|xchat | hehe |
| 15:49.03 | alan|xchat | what about the e one ? |
| 15:49.13 | mickeyl | that's ready for consumption |
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| 15:49.20 | alan|xchat | anyone ever tested it here ? |
| 15:49.47 | mickeyl | yea |
| 15:49.54 | lardman|work | oh dear, I forgot to re-enable TARGET_FPU, that could be why it doesn't work - damn! |
| 15:50.11 | mickeyl | lardman|work: heh |
| 15:50.52 | hrw|work | mickeyl: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=894 is a patch |
| 15:50.57 | alan|xchat | the more i try to understand how bitbake works, the more i discover how powerfull this tool is... and sometimes it's scarry. ^^" |
| 15:50.57 | hrw|work | brb |
| 15:51.05 | lardman|work | mickeyl: I've got my fingers crossed that it will work, but looking here (where the softfloat patch came from): http://www.andric.com/cross/patches/, there are lots of vfp specific ones, so it might be more complex I fear |
| 15:51.34 | mickeyl | hrw|work: looks ok so far |
| 15:52.29 | mickeyl | lardman|work: yeah, it's a bit unfortunate that our toolchain experts are on hiatus :D |
| 15:53.07 | lardman|work | mickeyl: Who are they? |
| 15:53.31 | mickeyl | gb2, kergoth, pb_ |
| 15:53.38 | lardman|work | ok, cool |
| 15:53.59 | mickeyl | jbowler looks like he's an expert as well, we may pester him about these things when we have a chance |
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| 16:00.46 | lardman|work | mickeyl: I don't suppose you know where/whether gcc-3.4.0-arm-softfloat.patch is even applied? I just grep'ed in packages/gcc and it doesn't appear (so my changes aren't going to do much!) |
| 16:01.34 | mickeyl | doesn't look like it gets applied |
| 16:01.35 | hrw|work | looks like nowhere |
| 16:01.46 | mickeyl | at least not to 3.4.x |
| 16:01.55 | lardman|work | odd, I wonder how we get any softfloat in that case |
| 16:01.55 | mickeyl | the only occurences are 3.3.3 and 3.3.4 |
| 16:02.06 | mickeyl | perhaps it hit mainline? |
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| 16:02.47 | hrw|work | NOTE: package openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r43: task do_patch: completed |
| 16:02.49 | hrw|work | uf. |
| 16:02.56 | mickeyl | nice |
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| 16:04.27 | hrw|work | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005092116285.jpg |
| 16:05.41 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:06.01 | hrw|work | looking at sharp kernel compile log message is.... |
| 16:06.37 | hrw|work | ../usbd-arch.h:198: warning: #warning SETTING DEFAULTS FOR PXA |
| 16:06.38 | hrw|work | ../usbd-arch.h:387: warning: #warning CONFIGURING FOR POODLE |
| 16:06.49 | hrw|work | or my favorite: /home/hrw/devel/build/0915/tmp/work/poodle-linux/openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r43/linux/include/asm/proc/cache.h:118: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 16:06.54 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 16:07.06 | hrw|work | anyway it builds |
| 16:07.14 | hrw|work | NOTE: package openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r43: task do_build: completed |
| 16:07.21 | hrw|work | tomorrow I'll push it as r44 |
| 16:07.22 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:07.28 | hrw|gone | time to go home |
| 16:07.36 | mickeyl | cu |
| 16:07.54 | lardman|work | bye |
| 16:08.01 | Bernardo | mickeyl: is the cx000 kernel still built with 2.95.3, or can it be built with a later toolchain (3.x for example)? |
| 16:08.05 | Bernardo | bye hrw|gone |
| 16:09.19 | mickeyl | 2.4.20-crapix |
| 16:09.20 | mickeyl | ups |
| 16:09.28 | mickeyl | 2.4.20-embedix can't be built with 3.x |
| 16:09.29 | CosmicPenguin | heheh |
| 16:09.48 | lardman|work | looking at gcc-3.4.4 before it's patched, it appears that softfpa is the default, and that patch hasn't been applied directly |
| 16:12.21 | Bernardo | any idea what toolchain tetsu uses, as he enables the wmmx (or whatever the name is) extensions? |
| 16:13.23 | mickeyl | no idea. but 2.4.20-dontworkix is history soon anyway thanks to Richard... |
| 16:13.43 | lardman|work | random patch which looks like it enables vfp for 3.4.4: http://gentoo.kems.net/gentoo-portage/sys-devel/gcc/files/3.4.4/gcc-3.4.4-softfloat.patch |
| 16:14.04 | mickeyl | lardman|work: might be worth a try for us |
| 16:14.15 | Bernardo | mickeyl: I do hope so... |
| 16:19.00 | lardman|work | mickeyl: just added it to the .bb, fingers crossed, etc. |
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| 16:23.49 | oho | mickeyl: Hello, I am having trouble to get pygtk working, could you please give me a hint which .bb to bake ? pygtk2_2.4.1.bb, pygtk-0.6.12.bb, pygtk_2.2.0.bb, pygtk2_2.6.2.bb ? getting qt to work is a lot smoother ;-) cheers |
| 16:26.54 | mickeyl | i'd try the latest and greatest |
| 16:27.03 | mickeyl | 2.6.2 |
| 16:27.09 | mickeyl | _if_ you want to use gtk2 |
| 16:27.12 | mickeyl | otherwiese 0.6.12 |
| 16:28.20 | lardman|work | I'm off, c u all tomorrow |
| 16:28.26 | oho | mickeyl: thank you, the pygtk ipk which is on you server seems to be broken |
| 16:30.17 | mickeyl | in how far...? |
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| 16:31.26 | oho | mickeyl: when I try to install it I get the error: ' ipkg: invalid magic ' |
| 16:31.34 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:31.56 | mickeyl | which file is this exactly? |
| 16:32.18 | oho | mickeyl: http://www.vanille.de/projects/packageinfo.spy/python-pygtk_2.2.0-r3_arm.ipk |
| 16:32.29 | mickeyl | uhm |
| 16:32.36 | mickeyl | this is not a link to an ipk |
| 16:32.43 | mickeyl | this is a link to an information page |
| 16:32.59 | mickeyl | http://vanille.de/feed/python/modern/python-pygtk2_2.6.2-r2_arm.ipk |
| 16:33.02 | mickeyl | would be a valid link |
| 16:33.52 | oho | hoops --- shame on me, I just saw the ending ipk and thought it would be a valid ipackage |
| 16:33.58 | mickeyl | heh, nm |
| 16:34.40 | oho | but I just tried to bake python-pygtk2_2.6.2.bb and I fails with the ERROR: function do_configure failed |
| 16:34.56 | oho | I will update my sources from the server and try again |
| 16:35.01 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 16:35.12 | mickeyl | if it doesn't build, add an entry to the bt |
| 16:35.31 | oho | will do - thanks for your help |
| 16:39.27 | mickeyl | np |
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| 16:48.46 | JustinP | mickeyl: did you need me? |
| 16:48.54 | JustinP | mickeyl: been very busy lately... |
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| 16:50.43 | mickeyl | JustinP: hi. no hurry, just wanted to check if you have any plans to upgrade the E stuff yet. |
| 16:53.20 | CIA-13 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r85d9528f... 10/packages/gpe-today/gpe-today_cvs.bb: packages/gpe-today/gpe-today_cvs.bb: fix PV |
| 16:58.01 | CIA-13 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0a9631b6... 10/packages/gpe-today/gpe-today_0.10.bb: packages/gpe-today: add 0.10 |
| 16:58.05 | CIA-13 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r58382d22... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: prefer gpe-today 0.10 |
| 16:59.57 | JustinP | mickeyl: upgrade to? |
| 17:00.11 | JustinP | mickeyl: e doesn't work for me right now |
| 17:00.20 | JustinP | mickeyl: and updatign everything to CVS caused other problems |
| 17:02.36 | JustinP | mickeyl: I see that there may be some new "releases" of things...I'll try those... |
| 17:03.05 | mickeyl | yeah, these "releases" are what I meant |
| 17:03.10 | mickeyl | i added a bug entry to remind you |
| 17:03.14 | mickeyl | (or us) |
| 17:03.45 | mickeyl | i'll test a build of E asap |
| 17:04.46 | koen | mickeyl: did you manage to get the spinning crosshairs working? |
| 17:05.16 | mickeyl | yes, but they didn't look good, then i trashed them |
| 17:05.50 | koen | I see |
| 17:06.07 | JustinP | mickeyl: thanks, I'd appreciate it. I have had to switch back to GPE....I decided to switch to an e-image, which had worked fine previously just fine but which decided to break when I tried it... |
| 17:06.48 | mickeyl | koen: calibration is done. next thing to do is to make it look for all possible boot devices and then hand control back over to a part of altboot. |
| 17:09.11 | mickeyl | oh yeah, and gui wise i need to implement a nice selection widget |
| 17:09.23 | mickeyl | i want something more fancy than a listbox :) |
| 17:09.47 | mickeyl | ok, i'm gone for a beer |
| 17:09.48 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 17:09.49 | koen | mickeyl: how big would a statically linked bootmanager be? |
| 17:10.02 | mickeyl | you mean against _all_ libs? |
| 17:10.25 | koen | only E at the start |
| 17:10.32 | koen | maybe uclibc(++) in the end |
| 17:10.49 | koen | to make it more robust |
| 17:11.19 | mickeyl | all runtime dependencies of angstrom-bootmanager are atm. less than 3MB. that includes everything EFL-fb, freetype, libpng, libjpeg |
| 17:11.21 | CIA-13 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r05dd4ce9... 10/packages/tcltk/tk_8.4.11.bb: tk: DEPEND on libx11, not x11 |
| 17:11.36 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 17:38.55 | uv1 | Good evening! |
| 17:39.14 | uv1 | Is anyone here for toolchain problems ? |
| 17:39.17 | kergoth | are people unhappy with berlios? is the svn server down too much? |
| 17:39.39 | koen | it is |
| 17:39.54 | koen | being down often isn't the real problem |
| 17:39.59 | kergoth | whats the issue then? |
| 17:40.15 | koen | being down for prolonged periods of time (a week) is the problem |
| 17:40.20 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 17:40.38 | JustinP | uv1: just ask |
| 17:40.54 | kergoth | well i just set up a project on http://opensvn.csie.org/, which seems like a nice, simple svn service provider only. no SF-like crap, just svn. andt hey provide 'trac' for the projects |
| 17:41.08 | kergoth | so i'm gonna commit the bitbake repo history there and see how it behaves |
| 17:41.21 | zecke | kergoth: if you can not resist ;) |
| 17:41.33 | uv1 | Have problems to build x86 gcc-4.0.0. Package build gives up due to unmatched gmp fortran depends. |
| 17:41.47 | koen | trac is pretty sweet |
| 17:42.14 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:42.14 | zecke | uv1: well it is not smart to use gcc4.0.0 anyway |
| 17:42.22 | reenoo_ | uv1: fwiw, gcc-4.0.0 is broken anyway |
| 17:42.30 | uv1 | Also I get a gcc-cross, when BUILD_ARCH != TARGET_ARCH (e.g. 586 != 686). Is that normal ? |
| 17:42.51 | uv1 | So which gcc is recommended ? |
| 17:43.37 | uv1 | zecke: Why not use ? Problems with code ? |
| 17:44.13 | zecke | uv1 is broken |
| 17:44.25 | zecke | uv1: gcc4.0.0 is broken |
| 17:44.50 | uv1 | zecke: You mean the bb recipe or gcc itself ? |
| 17:44.57 | zecke | gcc itself |
| 17:45.03 | koen | it's being said that 4.02 is pretty sweet |
| 17:45.19 | JustinP | uv1: use 3.4.4 unless you want to fix both gcc and all the other source code which will need to be fixed |
| 17:45.34 | uv1 | JustinP: ;-) |
| 17:45.51 | uv1 | Thanks for info. Will go on with gcc-3.4.4 |
| 17:46.23 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
| 17:47.45 | AvengerMoJo | how to start the tell the standalone application ( not with opie ) to start as landscape or portrait |
| 17:47.55 | AvengerMoJo | how to start the standalone application ( not with opie ) to start as landscape or portrait |
| 17:48.23 | zecke | AvengerMoJo: look into the Qt documentation |
| 17:48.38 | AvengerMoJo | zecke thanks |
| 17:48.39 | zecke | AvengerMoJo: QWS_DISPLAY=Transformed:RotXXX |
| 17:48.52 | zecke | AvengerMoJo: Rot0, Rot90, Rot180, Rot270 |
| 17:49.11 | AvengerMoJo | oh thanks |
| 17:53.43 | AvengerMoJo | .... |
| 17:54.09 | AvengerMoJo | zecke not working :) ... I'm starting my application like this ... application -qws -display :3 |
| 17:54.55 | reenoo_ | AvengerMoJo, zecke: FYI, this is neither #opie nor #qpe or whatever |
| 17:55.09 | AvengerMoJo | reenoo_: thanks |
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| 17:56.57 | zecke | reenoo_: relax |
| 17:56.59 | zecke | pb_: hey |
| 17:57.09 | zecke | pb_: karo wants 1600 Euro for a starter kit... |
| 17:57.20 | zecke | pb_: is that a usual price? |
| 17:58.28 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 17:58.42 | pb_ | that probably is about normal for a starter kit, yeah |
| 17:58.47 | pb_ | those things tend to be expensive |
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| 17:59.28 | _alwin_ | hi |
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| 18:00.36 | zecke | pb_: where could I else put a SODIMM module in? |
| 18:01.02 | pb_ | zecke: I guess you could construct your own baseboard with a DIMM socket |
| 18:01.33 | mithro | starter kit? |
| 18:01.53 | zecke | mithro: I want some current ARM board where I can attach some sort of disk to (CF, IDE) |
| 18:02.24 | koen | zecke: http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hardware.html ? |
| 18:02.37 | koen | (that's armeb) |
| 18:03.18 | zecke | koen: price? |
| 18:03.31 | koen | $239 ish |
| 18:03.36 | koen | ask [g2] :) |
| 18:04.26 | mithro | zecke: ahh |
| 18:06.14 | [g2] | koen currently $249 with board, ps and case |
| 18:06.38 | [g2] | however, I'm thinking about going 533Mhz which would be a $20-$25 bump |
| 18:07.01 | [g2] | the protos running @ 533 just seem so much zippier |
| 18:07.39 | [g2] | zecke I've booted to the unofficial armbe debian port on the board with the 2.4 kernel |
| 18:07.52 | [g2] | straight to the microdrive and CF |
| 18:08.30 | koen | 128MB would be another $30? |
| 18:08.44 | [g2] | XorrA|gone it's got 2 ethers, USB 2.0 and POE lots more |
| 18:09.05 | [g2] | koen I'm checking the pricing on that too |
| 18:09.15 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: yes, I looked, thats a sweet bit of kit, would be nice toy to play with |
| 18:09.32 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: maybe even replace one of my PC's with |
| 18:09.32 | [g2] | it's OH some much fun to play with |
| 18:10.16 | [g2] | it's such a sane environment, serial, bootloader with network support, JTAG there if you need it |
| 18:10.33 | [g2] | I've just about got all the patches for 2.6.11.12 ready to push upstream |
| 18:11.24 | [g2] | the two big item are the CF/IDE driver in 2.6 which is installed by being debugged right now (literally) |
| 18:11.45 | [g2] | and the USB 2.0 chips gets interrupts by is not fully happy yet |
| 18:11.52 | [g2] | s/by/but/ |
| 18:12.21 | [g2] | The POE is quite fun |
| 18:12.34 | XorrA|gone | whats a miniPCI? |
| 18:13.29 | [g2] | it's a small form factor PCI connector |
| 18:13.29 | koen | mainly used in laptops |
| 18:13.29 | [g2] | and embedded |
| 18:13.29 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: ah, so cant use normal pci cards |
| 18:13.32 | [g2] | XorrA|gone, the box is only 6.3x4.2x1.5 inches |
| 18:13.44 | [g2] | the board is just 4x6 |
| 18:14.06 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 18:14.14 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: had visions of strapping a Matrox g450 on top and having a small tv streamer |
| 18:14.14 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: there is no need to use os.environ |
| 18:14.20 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: use bb.data.getVar |
| 18:14.25 | [g2] | I would have liked to have a PCI edge connector on the end like the soekris, but it wasn't in the cards |
| 18:14.45 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: also + with string operations is slow |
| 18:14.59 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: use" %s %s" % (px0, px1) |
| 18:15.56 | [g2] | XorrA|gone, did you see http://www.yuan.com.tw/en/products/vdo_mpc622.html in the links section ? |
| 18:16.16 | [g2] | XorrA|gone, what's wrong with an external USB 2.0 driver ? |
| 18:16.29 | [g2] | drive |
| 18:17.53 | mithro | [g2]: got one which does DvB? |
| 18:18.17 | zecke | mithro: DVB and USB2? |
| 18:18.30 | mithro | no MiniPCI |
| 18:18.30 | [g2] | the real benefits to this box is 1) non-x86, 2) low-power ~3-4W typical, 3) fully open |
| 18:18.59 | zecke | [g2]: got an url again, and order form? |
| 18:19.04 | mithro | any moving parts? |
| 18:19.52 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: that card is tv-in only, I wanted ok quality tv-out, hence the G450 |
| 18:19.54 | [g2] | zecke I'm getting ready for the first production build after verifying the USB 2.0 |
| 18:20.09 | XorrA|gone | [g2]: But Im dreaming as the Mrs never allow expendeture :-) |
| 18:20.13 | zecke | [g2]: ah, you are building them? |
| 18:20.36 | [g2] | I've contracted an OEM that builds boards like this |
| 18:21.00 | zecke | pb_: thanks for the fast answer |
| 18:21.15 | zecke | pb_: I had assumed it would resolve all SO_NEEDED (on OS X) |
| 18:21.36 | zecke | pb_: but it does not, or our Opie build system is broken (but that was done by kergoth) |
| 18:22.17 | pb_ | ah, that is unfortunate |
| 18:22.28 | kergoth | what was the question? |
| 18:23.49 | pb_ | whether OS X handles DT_NEEDED at link time in the same way that ELF systems do |
| 18:24.25 | pb_ | though, thinking about it some more, I don't think it really matters in this context. |
| 18:24.37 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:24.57 | pb_ | if the Opie Games are making direct calls into the opie libraries, they should be linking with -lopie-opie themselves, not relying on SDL to pull it in (either directly or via sdl-config) |
| 18:27.22 | zecke | pb_: it is more a metter of /opt/Qtopia/apps/Games/foogame.desktop |
| 18:27.43 | pb_ | zecke: I don't understand |
| 18:27.58 | pb_ | can you explain the problem in small words, as if speaking to someone very stupid? |
| 18:28.10 | kergoth | heh, hey [g2] |
| 18:28.18 | [g2] | hey hey kergoth ! |
| 18:28.23 | kergoth | how ya been? |
| 18:28.30 | [g2] | awesome thx |
| 18:28.51 | [g2] | I've got proto boards and I'm just about to turn on the production build |
| 18:28.58 | [g2] | 200 units |
| 18:29.17 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:29.34 | [g2] | then I'll see whether this boat float or sinks |
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| 18:29.51 | zecke | hehe |
| 18:30.00 | [g2] | if it sinks there will be a fire sale in about 6-9 months :) |
| 18:30.24 | zecke | pb_: well, currently most of the SDL games, install resources useful to Opie |
| 18:30.35 | [g2] | nod |
| 18:30.37 | zecke | pb_: including an icon for our launcher |
| 18:30.42 | pb_ | right |
| 18:30.53 | zecke | pb_: what I do not want to see is somebody going over the games and simply remove these resources |
| 18:31.01 | pb_ | oh, right, I see |
| 18:31.03 | pb_ | yes, I agree with that. |
| 18:31.43 | pb_ | there's no reason to remove them, anyway. contrary to popular belief, GPE does not actually explode if it detects files in /opt/QtPalmtop: it will just quietly ignore them and hope that they go away on their own. |
| 18:31.59 | zecke | wow GPE is wonderful |
| 18:32.02 | reenoo_ | hehe |
| 18:32.08 | pb_ | yeah, it is a paragon of tolerance |
| 18:32.16 | mithro | zecke: he he |
| 18:32.56 | zecke | koen: did you look at the Qtopia start script? |
| 18:33.10 | zecke | koen: they do rm -rf /etc/rc*.d/S*X* on start up |
| 18:33.28 | zecke | cya later |
| 18:33.37 | [g2] | bye |
| 18:33.46 | koen | zecke: I see |
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| 18:57.10 | pb_ | so, does anybody understand how smb browsing is meant to work? |
| 18:57.29 | mithro | pb_: badly |
| 18:57.52 | koen | samba won |
| 18:58.49 | zecke | hehe samba can not be as evil as BSD sed (which just beat me) |
| 18:59.32 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:59.34 | pb_ | probably not |
| 19:00.45 | zecke | pb_: hehe, fink was faster |
| 19:04.12 | kergoth | man, i like these bluetooth headphones |
| 19:04.28 | kergoth | the cell phone being able to ring through the mp3s i'm listening to with my iriver is just sweet |
| 19:04.41 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what dongle did you get? |
| 19:04.53 | CosmicPenguin | I got a V3 over the weekend, so I'm in the market |
| 19:05.15 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: got my two comments? |
| 19:05.31 | AvengerMoJo | hi do we get bootsplash for 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:05.37 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: V3? |
| 19:05.45 | koen | moto razr? |
| 19:05.49 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: thanks |
| 19:06.01 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: I thought we used bb.data.getVar pretty much everywhere - where did I miss? |
| 19:06.17 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i picked up http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=114076 for listening to mp3s and the cell interrupting. dont have a seperate bt headset deal for just using the phone yet |
| 19:06.21 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: os.environ for HTTP_PROXY |
| 19:06.29 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh.... |
| 19:06.34 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 19:06.42 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: but bitbake copies all environment variables into its scope anyway |
| 19:07.01 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: this would even allow you to use seperate proxies for seperate files |
| 19:09.35 | pb_ | ah, now samba works |
| 19:09.43 | pb_ | seems that nmbd just needed to chill out for a while |
| 19:09.58 | AvengerMoJo | can I patch the 2.6 kernel with the normal bootsplash or I need to use something else? |
| 19:16.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: wow, those are abit spensive |
| 19:17.12 | koen | CosmicPenguin: do you like the v3? |
| 19:17.23 | CosmicPenguin | koen: yeah, so far |
| 19:17.38 | CosmicPenguin | I don't like that I'm going to need to use Windoze to load mp3s and stuff, but.... |
| 19:17.53 | koen | i was thinking about a v3, v3x or nokia n90 |
| 19:18.03 | CosmicPenguin | I need to learn more about how the whole bluetooth/usb/phone thing works |
| 19:18.08 | koen | (after winning a huge amount of money offcourse) |
| 19:18.10 | CosmicPenguin | I've pretty much put my head in the ground so far |
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| 19:22.04 | kergoth | koen: heh, n90 is that -really- expensive one, isnt it? |
| 19:22.09 | kergoth | with lots of camera features |
| 19:22.50 | AvengerMoJo | what about the song walkman phone |
| 19:23.21 | kergoth | sony? i dont like sony. they engage in way too much proprietary bs. |
| 19:23.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:23.34 | koen | kergoth: 600 euros when I last checked it |
| 19:23.39 | kergoth | heh, ouch |
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| 19:23.44 | koen | which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive |
| 19:23.45 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 19:24.02 | koen | even if I had the money I wouldn't buy a E600 phone |
| 19:24.26 | kergoth | i want to try some symbian apps, see if i can use it for pda functionality effectively |
| 19:24.32 | AvengerMoJo | I just get a Motorola A780 |
| 19:25.24 | koen | as long as it can a) make calls and b) do EDGE over bt I'm happy |
| 19:25.51 | koen | somehow b) is the rare part |
| 19:26.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:26.05 | AvengerMoJo | :P |
| 19:26.28 | AvengerMoJo | koen: the sony walkman phone itune on it |
| 19:26.32 | kergoth | all i wanted was: flip phone, standard OS (i.e. not the motorola proprietary crap), bluetooth, mmc/rsmmc, GSM, unlocked |
| 19:26.42 | kergoth | finding a phone that met those requirements was a pain |
| 19:26.49 | AvengerMoJo | kergoth: my motorola is actually linux |
| 19:26.53 | koen | AvengerMoJo: I have an ipod for that :) |
| 19:26.58 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:27.12 | kergoth | AvengerMoJo: any idea what processor is in that? |
| 19:27.18 | AvengerMoJo | xscale |
| 19:27.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:27.29 | AvengerMoJo | hum :) |
| 19:27.37 | koen | they have a hacked opie port |
| 19:27.43 | AvengerMoJo | but I just get it ... didn't get a time to hack it yet |
| 19:27.55 | koen | but that was made using some 'discovered' header files |
| 19:28.10 | kergoth | god why am i so tired |
| 19:28.14 | kergoth | caffeine isnt working |
| 19:28.18 | kergoth | grr |
| 19:28.24 | koen | dehydrated? |
| 19:28.33 | kergoth | hmm, could be |
| 19:29.26 | pb_ | AvengerMoJo: you aren't making a whole lot of sense there. |
| 19:29.45 | AvengerMoJo | pb_: well there is bootsplash bb in the database |
| 19:30.26 | AvengerMoJo | pb_: but I don't know what they do ... one is bootsplash-native .. and the bootsplash didn't build ... I won't I can patch that and does it work with 2.6 kernel |
| 19:31.45 | AvengerMoJo | also ... I think it required freetype .. I don't know I need to build a native freetype for it or not |
| 19:32.11 | AvengerMoJo | when I build bootsplash it didn't seem to build freetype automagically |
| 19:33.05 | CosmicPenguin | It looks like it does to me |
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| 19:33.30 | AvengerMoJo | .... |
| 19:35.09 | AvengerMoJo | oh... may be because I already get freetype build .... |
| 19:35.47 | AvengerMoJo | so the bootsplash package suppose to work with 2.6? |
| 19:39.10 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 19:40.14 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: but I think my ... get some problem compiling |
| 19:40.39 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: the make file missing including the -I*/include/freetype2 |
| 19:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, well there may be some problem building the bootsplash code, but that has nothing to with kernel 2.6 |
| 19:41.47 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: ok :) how can I add -I in the oerunmake ? |
| 19:41.58 | AvengerMoJo | just add it add the end? |
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| 19:44.38 | CosmicPenguin | Are you saying that the CFLAGS arn't being passed in? |
| 19:45.43 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: missing the -I*/include/freetype |
| 19:45.45 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: missing the -I*/include/freetype2 |
| 19:45.50 | AvengerMoJo | I mean |
| 19:48.38 | CosmicPenguin | Well, then you'll need to add that to the CFLAGs |
| 19:49.15 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: I can just put that in the bb file right |
| 19:49.20 | AvengerMoJo | in the do_compile |
| 19:50.03 | CosmicPenguin | no - you don't want to override the cflags |
| 19:50.06 | CosmicPenguin | you want to add to the cflags |
| 19:50.36 | CosmicPenguin | recall at this point that the CFLAGS variable is just that - a variable |
| 19:53.15 | AvengerMoJo | ok |
| 19:53.40 | AvengerMoJo | also fbmngplay.h:17:20: libmng.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.57 | AvengerMoJo | ... wonder my database get problem or just the package not being updated? |
| 19:54.32 | CosmicPenguin | No - bootsplash is definately broken in that regard |
| 19:54.39 | CosmicPenguin | it should be marked BROKEN="1" |
| 19:55.08 | AvengerMoJo | .... ok ... so ... even I get it build I should not able to get it working ? |
| 19:55.27 | koen | CosmicPenguin: mv bootsplash/ non-working/bootsplash/ |
| 19:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | that too |
| 19:55.59 | CosmicPenguin | AvengerMoJo: you'll need to add libmng to the DEPENDS and hope for the best |
| 19:56.04 | AvengerMoJo | koen: the bootsplash package just the utility right? |
| 19:56.20 | AvengerMoJo | koen: I still need the kernel patch after that? |
| 19:56.28 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: will do |
| 19:56.37 | CosmicPenguin | When I did bootsplash, I only used the -native, I didn't care about any of the userland animnations and bs like that |
| 19:57.23 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: what does the -native do? |
| 19:59.01 | koen | AvengerMoJo: no idea |
| 19:59.50 | AvengerMoJo | koen: hehe :) I build libmng .. but it didn't put the header and the library in the staging ... |
| 20:06.52 | AvengerMoJo | koen: do you want me to write a patch for the package? |
| 20:07.17 | AvengerMoJo | koen: I finish the build but I'm not sure it is working in the system yet |
| 20:08.58 | koen | AvengerMoJo: sure, go ahead, you can attach the result to bugzilla |
| 20:09.31 | AvengerMoJo | koen: on |
| 20:09.33 | AvengerMoJo | ok |
| 20:10.52 | CIA-13 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3aa50a83... 10/conf/machine/ (h3600.conf h3900.conf ipaq-pxa270.conf): conf/machine/: add ROOT_FLASH_SIZE for h3600 (16), h3900 (32) and ipaq-pxa270 (80) |
| 20:11.38 | AvengerMoJo | sorry .... where is the bugzilla hostname |
| 20:11.51 | AvengerMoJo | url I mean |
| 20:11.52 | koen | AvengerMoJo: see topic :) |
| 20:11.58 | AvengerMoJo | ops |
| 20:11.59 | AvengerMoJo | thanks |
| 20:15.34 | kergoth | koen: try svn co http://opensvn.csie.org/bitbake/trunk/bitbake |
| 20:16.39 | koen | kergoth: seems to be working |
| 20:16.53 | kergoth | cool. did an svnadmin dump, then load, so all the history is over there |
| 20:17.00 | koen | Checked out revision 313. |
| 20:17.00 | koen | powerbook-wlan:~/Projects/OpenEmbedded koen$ |
| 20:17.07 | koen | even on OSX :) |
| 20:17.10 | kergoth | so if we want to ditch berlios, we can |
| 20:17.34 | koen | can we use svk between berlios and csie? |
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| 20:20.20 | kergoth | koen: to keep them in sync? probably, havent tried |
| 20:21.55 | CosmicPenguin | AvengerMoJo: -native just builds the bootsplash utilities needed to create the initrd |
| 20:23.50 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 20:23.59 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: so I need to rebuild the initrd? |
| 20:24.09 | AvengerMoJo | meaning the pivitboot image? |
| 20:24.36 | AvengerMoJo | I think the utility I built work |
| 20:24.53 | AvengerMoJo | but I think I will missing the kernel patch hehe :P |
| 20:26.24 | CosmicPenguin | Yes, you do need the kernel patch, but thats none of bootsplash's business |
| 20:26.37 | AvengerMoJo | hehe :) |
| 20:26.53 | kergoth | koen: okay, yeah, looks like i can |
| 20:27.15 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: wonder the offical patch work for spirtz? |
| 20:27.31 | AvengerMoJo | what framebuffer does spirtz |
| 20:27.31 | CosmicPenguin | don't know, don't care - I don't have any of those devices |
| 20:27.46 | AvengerMoJo | CosmicPenguin: I see :) thanks anyway |
| 20:28.43 | koen | kergoth: nice |
| 20:29.06 | kergoth | i could set up a cron job to maintain one of them as a backup to the other, if we want |
| 20:29.12 | kergoth | or just say screw it and abandon berlios |
| 20:29.43 | koen | judging from the past we'll do teh former and a bit later the latter |
| 20:29.46 | koen | the* |
| 20:35.48 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-09-26&res=h |
| 20:38.18 | koen | skymall? |
| 20:39.00 | kergoth | odd little catalog on some airplanes that sells things from tons of other companies. didnt think about it, but maybe us only |
| 20:39.07 | koen | yeah |
| 20:39.18 | koen | I had some fun browsing through it |
| 20:39.27 | kergoth | i love http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-07-29&res=l |
| 20:39.51 | koen | I had some real fun in the real life sharper image stores |
| 20:39.58 | koen | the amount of useless gizmos is amazing |
| 20:40.03 | kergoth | hehe. their stuff is so overpriced |
| 20:40.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:40.31 | koen | 'air purifier' 'ionizing air purifier' 'ionizing air purifier with hummer h2 look' |
| 20:40.37 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:40.51 | kergoth | some people have just too much money |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | since someone must be buying that crap or they wouldnt still be in business |
| 20:41.12 | koen | indeed |
| 20:41.32 | koen | the discovery channel stores was much better :) |
| 20:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but the stuff in the discovery channel stores are of poorer quality |
| 20:42.39 | koen | the amount of hummer shaped gadgets is stunning |
| 20:43.18 | koen | as is the use of cast-iron in said gadgets |
| 20:43.57 | koen | a large hunk of metal + batteries inside a suitcase |
| 20:44.25 | AvengerMoJo | RP: are you here? |
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| 20:47.04 | gb2 | anyone knnow a good place to get custom wired db9 cables? |
| 20:47.29 | koen | for quantities <5: my desk ;) |
| 20:48.02 | gb2 | heh, this is for q > 25 |
| 20:48.17 | gb2 | need a db9 3 pin serial cable (no control lines) |
| 20:48.32 | gb2 | can't find anyone who sells stuff other than full up 9pin straight through |
| 20:48.40 | gb2 | or full custom |
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| 20:57.58 | koen | WTH? |
| 20:58.02 | koen | no nethack in OE? |
| 20:58.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:58.35 | kergoth | andersee complains about that once in a while |
| 20:59.24 | koen | heh |
| 20:59.30 | koen | you scared him away |
| 21:00.01 | gb2 | heh |
| 21:00.38 | koen | gb2: can we talk you into adding gcc 4.02 when it's released? |
| 21:00.43 | pb_ | heh, not even opie-nethack? |
| 21:00.58 | koen | koen@dominion:/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages$ ls | grep hack |
| 21:00.58 | koen | matchbox-panel-hacks/ |
| 21:01.01 | koen | that's all |
| 21:01.37 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 21:01.58 | lazy_marmot | Hi everyone, I'm building epia machine with uclibc based distro. It tries to build gcc 4 and fails, but I actually need gcc 3.x - how to tell bitbake to build cross 3.x ? |
| 21:02.16 | koen | lazy_marmot: check conf/distro/familiar-0.8.3.conf |
| 21:02.32 | lazy_marmot | Thanks! |
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| 21:49.48 | lardman | I thought that gcc 3.4.4 was the default set for DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4"; has this changed, or is my build just going mad (trying and failing to build gcc 4.0.0)? |
| 21:51.22 | koen | going mad would be my bet |
| 21:51.34 | lardman | yeah, much like me I reckon ;) |
| 21:52.36 | lardman | The other odd thing it did was to build gcc-cross-initial 3.x.x which wasn't the preferred 3.4.4, complaining that it wasn't there (but it was) |
| 21:54.37 | lardman | As a matter of interest, is the gcc-cross-initial there for bootstrapping? It builds libc and the binutils? Is libc then rebuilt using the actual gcc-cross? |
| 21:57.34 | mickeyl | lardman: yes |
| 21:57.55 | lardman | mickeyl: so initial can be a different version, & differently patched....? |
| 21:58.19 | mickeyl | can be, yes |
| 21:58.21 | kergoth | binutils is built with the native toolchain, not the cross-initial version. cross-initial is used to get enough of a toolchain to get the c library built, since that's needed for the next pass of gcc |
| 21:58.34 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 21:59.22 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 21:59.36 | mickeyl | evening pb_ |
| 21:59.43 | lardman | wow, lots of toolchain gurus all at once! ;) |
| 21:59.56 | mickeyl | lardman: pester them while they're here |
| 21:59.57 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:00.49 | lardman | toolchain gurus: I'd like to get the cross toolchain built using softvfp rather than softfpa for the soft-float implementation; any bright ideas....? |
| 22:01.07 | kergoth | heh, not offhand. i dont think our soft float patch makes that easy |
| 22:01.27 | lardman | I'm not sure gcc is even patched with that anymore... not in 3.4.4 |
| 22:02.55 | mickeyl | what's necessary to make the eabi thing happen? vfp is the default there iirc |
| 22:03.19 | koen | mickeyl: patches to glibc |
| 22:03.36 | mickeyl | any ETA ? |
| 22:03.43 | mickeyl | or is it just about applying them in OE? |
| 22:03.44 | lardman | and to gcc too I'd imagine as that's still softfpa |
| 22:04.20 | lardman | (I've found a patch for gcc 3.4.4 for softvfp, but I do wonder about what else I'd need to patch, etc...) |
| 22:04.23 | koen | mickeyl: you'd have to ask pb_ or any other arm expert |
| 22:09.39 | pb_ | I don't know exactly what the status is. That'd be a question for drow. |
| 22:10.01 | chouimat | koen: interesting |
| 22:10.04 | pb_ | I haven't been paying too much attention to the EABI since I stopped working at Nexus. |
| 22:12.25 | mithro | vfp vs fpa? |
| 22:13.36 | lardman | shall I...? |
| 22:13.36 | koen | pb_: vfp is *the* thing to use nowadays? |
| 22:13.39 | koen | and fpa a relic of the past? |
| 22:13.39 | pb_ | indeed |
| 22:13.39 | lardman | both instruction sets (I think) which relate to actual hardware, but which we emulate with our particular soft-float implementation |
| 22:13.55 | lardman | vfp is the thing to go for, and its data has the same endianness as the processor while fpa is always bigendian |
| 22:14.20 | lardman | which is why I noticed it as I was trying to sort out a warning which Octave was throwing up |
| 22:15.27 | lardman | hope that makes some sense and is along the right lines... |
| 22:16.19 | AvengerMoJo | koen: if I add a new package .... what can I do |
| 22:22.21 | lardman | I've just rm -rf'd my org.openembedded.dev dir, but will try to build one of the earlier version of gcc (to which the softfloat patch is actually applied); am I right in thinking that it will give me softvfp by default and softfpa if I specify -soft-float? |
| 22:23.03 | pb_ | You'd probably be better off using gcc 4.0, which has the soft-float bits incorporated already. |
| 22:23.28 | lardman | 3.4.4 has them too, but only seems to build softfpa |
| 22:23.29 | pb_ | I don't know what the situation is with vfp using the softfloat patch that's in OE. |
| 22:23.43 | lardman | from the patch: %{!mhard-float: %{msoft-float:-mfpu=softfpa} %{!msoft-float:-mfpu=softvfp}} |
| 22:24.11 | lardman | I read that as: no -hard-float & no -soft-float = softvfp? |
| 22:25.31 | pb_ | that's correct, but those options don't actually affect the generated code |
| 22:26.22 | lardman | but if I set TARGET_FPU="", won't I get softvfp? |
| 22:26.57 | pb_ | dunno. you certainly can't infer that from the bit of specs you pasted. |
| 22:27.09 | lardman | oh |
| 22:28.13 | pb_ | worth a try, though |
| 22:28.48 | lardman | I'll have a look at that, but there's a later patch (http://www.andric.com/cross/patches/) which seems to be vfp specific |
| 22:29.00 | lardman | http://www.andric.com/cross/patches/gcc-3.4.3-arm-softvfp.patch.bz2 to be exact |
| 22:29.52 | pb_ | it seems a bit unlikely that the default for arm-linux would be softvfp in either 3.4.4 or 4.0, since that would break Familiar, Debian and any other system that expected hard fpa. |
| 22:29.58 | df001 | I take it kernel 2.6 doesn't work for poodle properly yet? |
| 22:30.20 | df001 | Does anything need to be done specifically for it? Hrm |
| 22:30.54 | mickeyl | df001: correct. see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lenz/zaurus/ for what things you could do |
| 22:30.55 | lardman | pb_: in 3.4.4 the default is fpa (not soft) as I tried that |
| 22:31.18 | mickeyl | df001: a couple of these things may already be done as it seems |
| 22:31.33 | mickeyl | df001: I suggest building a recent kernel and just having a look at what goes and what not |
| 22:31.47 | lardman | pb_: but 3.4.3 still uses the softfloat patch iirc, so this might (he hopes) be a drop in replacement |
| 22:32.32 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 22:32.35 | pb_ | yeah, that might work |
| 22:33.21 | lardman | I'll have a look at it tomorrow - I'm just going to rebuild the toolchain now to make sure I get the correct version selected (as it'd gone mad earlier this afternoon) |
| 22:33.35 | lardman | anyway night all, time for bed me thinks |
| 22:33.41 | mickeyl | g'night lardman |
| 22:34.06 | df001 | Maybe I'll give it a try as soon as OE is set up entirly again. It's probably just a matter of porting over the 2.4.x drivers, isn't it? |
| 22:34.28 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:34.33 | mickeyl | n8 koen |
| 22:34.35 | mickeyl | "just", yes. |
| 22:34.42 | mreimer | night koen |
| 22:34.56 | mickeyl | "just" being rewriting a whole lot of stupidity |
| 22:35.25 | mickeyl | because our goal is not to get something working, but to make it right and submittable to mainline |
| 22:35.35 | mickeyl | s/not/not just/ |
| 22:36.31 | df001 | Right |
| 22:38.28 | df001 | Wait, stupidity? |
| 22:38.52 | kergoth | to call it stupidity would be an understatement |
| 22:39.06 | mickeyl | 2.4.20-holyshitix |
| 22:39.24 | AvengerMoJo | what will the image directory name called? |
| 22:39.31 | mickeyl | tmp/deploy/images |
| 22:46.34 | df001 | Does the kernel still need gcc 2.95 to compile? haha |
| 22:47.42 | mickeyl | 2.4.{18|20}-ancientix, yes |
| 22:51.23 | mreimer | xserver-kdrive_cvs is failing because randrproto.pc is missing. what's the fix? |
| 22:51.52 | mickeyl | sounds like adding DEPENDS=xrandr or so |
| 22:52.11 | mreimer | ah, I'll try that. thanks mickeyl |
| 22:54.28 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:54.33 | mreimer | night mickeyl |
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| 23:36.32 | JustinP | grrrr |
| 23:36.49 | JustinP | mickey|zzZZzz: newest version of evas doesn't link correctly with freetype....argh! |
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| 23:48.20 | CosmicPenguin | sweet - xml parsing is a breeze with python |
| 23:57.03 | JustinP | mickey|zzZZzz: ok, I "fixed" it for evas-x11...-fb and -native will probably still fail... |
