| 00:06.33 | *** join/#oe dkey (i=nobody@193.170.48.236) |
| 00:20.11 | *** join/#oe cvs___ (n=cvs@h194100.upc-h.chello.nl) |
| 00:42.25 | *** join/#oe Geo_KM (n=keith@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com) |
| 00:43.12 | mreimer | what's the fix for "No package 'randrproto' found" when building xserver-kdrive cvs? |
| 01:03.34 | *** join/#oe Timelord (n=TL@66.84.189.72) |
| 01:08.09 | *** part/#oe mreimer (n=mreimer@bilbo.vpop.net) |
| 01:09.35 | *** join/#oe noclouds (n=mhfan@60.166.38.214) |
| 01:19.02 | *** join/#oe gints (n=gints@195.244.141.102) |
| 02:00.27 | *** join/#oe hufnus (n=slonsiki@72.250.17.246) |
| 02:19.52 | *** join/#oe noclouds (n=mhfan@60.166.61.169) |
| 02:19.58 | *** join/#oe Timelord0 (n=TL@66.84.189.72) |
| 02:20.01 | *** join/#oe raster (n=raster@vagw.valinux.co.jp) |
| 02:24.23 | *** join/#oe zecke_ (i=fakeuser@p54BD00CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:27.58 | *** join/#oe aquadran_ (i=pablo@scummvm/undead/aquadran) |
| 02:37.42 | *** join/#oe z-akita (n=willgan@218.111.104.58) |
| 03:16.22 | *** join/#oe Delta__ (n=delta@p50830882.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:25.10 | AvengerMoJo | hum |
| 03:38.20 | *** join/#oe raster_ (n=raster@vagw.valinux.co.jp) |
| 04:18.48 | *** join/#oe joshua_ (i=joshua@c-24-34-92-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:19.32 | *** join/#oe _Bala_ (n=Ryan@142-165-143-128.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 04:34.35 | *** join/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.226) |
| 04:35.10 | *** part/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.226) |
| 04:51.34 | *** join/#oe memeruiz (n=memeruiz@201.194.192.98) |
| 05:04.03 | *** join/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.226) |
| 05:04.18 | *** part/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.226) |
| 05:05.17 | AvengerMoJo | my 2.4 root image still get some problem |
| 05:05.32 | AvengerMoJo | it won't use the 2.4 module but 2.6's |
| 05:13.15 | *** join/#oe zaurus-a (n=willgan@218.111.104.58) |
| 05:31.12 | AvengerMoJo | will bootsplash put into kernel? |
| 05:32.51 | *** join/#oe obi (n=obi@tg3.saftware.de) |
| 05:41.14 | *** join/#oe z-akita (n=willgan@218.111.104.58) |
| 05:43.06 | *** join/#oe greyL (n=greyL@dialport110.west.eskimo.net) |
| 05:43.15 | greyL | hello, can I run a USB wifi adapter on a sl-5500 or does that require host mode usb? |
| 05:45.11 | joshua_ | that requires host mode USB |
| 05:46.01 | greyL | bummer...I thought I saw some wifi/USB drivers... |
| 05:48.10 | greyL | arent there some gpio pins that are free in the zaurus? |
| 05:48.39 | joshua_ | I'm sure there are, but don't expect them to be routed anywhere :) |
| 05:49.54 | AvengerMoJo | joshua_: but doesn't C3000 get host usb? |
| 05:50.00 | greyL | there's got to be a way outa this... |
| 05:50.07 | greyL | I know the SL-6000 has host |
| 05:50.47 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: I'm not sure .. |
| 05:50.51 | *** join/#oe Timelord (n=TL@66.84.189.72) |
| 05:51.52 | greyL | I thought I just read it on the net...I'm looking to get usb/wifi on my 5500... |
| 05:52.02 | greyL | handhelds.org has atmel-usb modules for kernel 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37atmel wlan drivers |
| 05:52.13 | greyL | I guess that must be for the luck host/usb people |
| 05:53.28 | AvengerMoJo | hehe |
| 05:54.02 | AvengerMoJo | I see someone get the C-GUY SDIO Wireless also ... don't know that's actually working |
| 05:54.08 | AvengerMoJo | but I don't think driver is opensource |
| 05:55.34 | greyL | well my prob is I got the RTM-8000 gprs modem on CF, 1gig flash root on SD, that only leaves the USB... |
| 05:55.37 | greyL | for wifi |
| 05:56.03 | greyL | $132 for USB1.1 Host CompactFlash CF adapter...ouch |
| 05:56.10 | AvengerMoJo | man |
| 05:56.21 | AvengerMoJo | gprs modem ... |
| 05:56.29 | AvengerMoJo | can you swap that |
| 05:56.39 | AvengerMoJo | you don't need to use both at the same time ... do you? |
| 05:57.32 | greyL | no you're right...(sarcasm)...there's no reason to be talking on the phone while surfing the net... |
| 05:57.34 | greyL | :) |
| 05:58.16 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: :) |
| 05:58.34 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: what do you use for phone app? |
| 05:58.52 | greyL | I hacked something together in tcl/tk...it's a hack though... |
| 05:59.01 | greyL | before that I was using...guess... |
| 05:59.10 | greyL | ./term /dev/ttyS3 |
| 05:59.20 | greyL | ha ha ha atdt<phonenum>; |
| 05:59.26 | greyL | of if I was lucky |
| 05:59.38 | greyL | ata to answer incoming calls when I saw the ring... |
| 05:59.46 | AvengerMoJo | oh |
| 05:59.48 | AvengerMoJo | man ... |
| 06:00.00 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: but how much is your card? |
| 06:00.14 | greyL | the biggest problem is that when I suspend my Z...the CF gets powered down...ie no incoming calls |
| 06:00.17 | AvengerMoJo | gprs... I'm thinking using a phone directly as my modem |
| 06:00.27 | greyL | I cant really remember i think it was $250 |
| 06:00.33 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: right also ... the calling time is bad |
| 06:00.43 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: how long is your battery going to last? |
| 06:00.49 | greyL | look up audiovox rtm-8000 |
| 06:01.13 | greyL | battery... well there's that russian guy that sells the 8billion mah batteries... |
| 06:01.24 | greyL | (see openzaurus forums) |
| 06:01.38 | *** join/#oe raster (n=raster@vagw.valinux.co.jp) |
| 06:02.16 | greyL | the other reason I need the USB wifi is that I'm setting up a peer to peer neighborhood network and need a portable signal strength meter |
| 06:02.40 | greyL | anyone know anything about usb2go? |
| 06:04.18 | greyL | ok my solution for host usb on a sl-5500...Compact Flash to PCMCIA Adapter Converter $19.95 + NEC USB 2.0 2-Port PCMCIA PC Card CardBus $7.95 |
| 06:04.23 | greyL | anyone know if it'll work? |
| 06:04.45 | anomaly_ | if it's a 32bit card, then no |
| 06:04.51 | anomaly_ | compact flash is only 16 bit |
| 06:05.10 | anomaly_ | if it's a 16bit card then chances are good |
| 06:06.34 | AvengerMoJo | hum .. |
| 06:06.43 | greyL | hmm hadnt thought of that...thanks... |
| 06:07.34 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: how long does it last for you right now? |
| 06:07.40 | AvengerMoJo | greyL: I mean the battery |
| 06:08.30 | greyL | sorry I don't have the answer...I don't use it enough to tell you...I got a Treo to satiate my internet addiction... |
| 06:08.56 | greyL | let me tell you how lame a treo is! Palm OS does not multitask!!!! or at least the apps dont |
| 06:09.29 | greyL | I wanted VNC on my Z...ran gpe...downloaded tightvnc to my Z... ./configure; make ; make install |
| 06:09.33 | greyL | works! |
| 06:09.35 | anomaly_ | heh palm users can't multitask, it's why they buy palm ;) |
| 06:09.41 | anomaly_ | jk |
| 06:09.54 | AvengerMoJo | ..... |
| 06:10.03 | greyL | palm OS? no stinking way...pay someone for it...and it's not vnc...so there's no linux clients |
| 06:10.32 | greyL | but when I suspend my treo, it still rings when someone calls... Palm succeeds because of polish |
| 06:11.16 | *** join/#oe obi (n=obi@tg3.saftware.de) |
| 06:12.15 | *** join/#oe Timelord (n=TL@66.84.189.72) |
| 06:16.12 | greyL | anomaly_ - is 32bit = cardbus or can 16bit also = cardbus? |
| 06:16.35 | anomaly_ | pretty sure cardbus = 32bit, but you know what some manufacturers are like with buzzwords... |
| 06:16.39 | anomaly_ | best to find out directly |
| 06:21.58 | *** join/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@221.122.51.131) |
| 06:22.16 | *** part/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@221.122.51.131) |
| 06:25.02 | greyL | are you sure the CF is only 16bits? |
| 06:32.07 | anomaly_ | to the best of my knowledge, yes |
| 06:32.44 | *** join/#oe Geo_KM (n=keith@ppp58-120.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net) |
| 06:39.20 | *** join/#oe raster_ (n=raster@vagw.valinux.co.jp) |
| 07:14.18 | *** part/#oe greyL (n=greyL@dialport110.west.eskimo.net) |
| 07:24.00 | *** join/#oe carter__ (n=carter@p5089F6CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:27.08 | *** join/#oe CP|Laptop (n=nobody@aus-ext-proxy01.amd.com) |
| 07:59.34 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:00.18 | AvengerMoJo | hi hrw|work |
| 08:02.59 | *** join/#oe ade|desk (n=adavey@194.200.143.249) |
| 08:03.11 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 08:06.26 | *** join/#oe marcan (n=marcanso@160.10.7.144) |
| 08:06.31 | *** join/#oe hue (n=hue@218.20.51.108) |
| 08:10.24 | RP | morning all |
| 08:13.43 | *** join/#oe raster (n=raster@vagw.valinux.co.jp) |
| 08:14.06 | ade|desk | morning RP |
| 08:16.01 | AvengerMoJo | hi RP |
| 08:23.44 | XorA | morning |
| 08:24.44 | AvengerMoJo | hi XorA |
| 08:25.08 | AvengerMoJo | start check battery ! <---- what does it mean ... |
| 08:25.20 | AvengerMoJo | I just see that in my dmesg |
| 08:26.07 | *** join/#oe ade|des1 (n=adavey@194.200.143.249) |
| 08:29.08 | AvengerMoJo | hum .. I can't do mount bind in Sharp .. so I can only use soft link right? |
| 08:30.01 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: you can - you just lack mount command with bind support |
| 08:30.31 | XorA | some sharp roms allow bind |
| 08:30.58 | AvengerMoJo | oh ... right |
| 08:31.18 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: meaning replacing the busybox mount with a standard mount |
| 08:32.16 | hrw|work | yes |
| 08:33.28 | CP|Laptop | Since when does busybox not support bind mount? |
| 08:33.52 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:34.38 | AvengerMoJo | CP|Laptop: does it? |
| 08:34.50 | CP|Laptop | Last time I checked |
| 08:34.56 | AvengerMoJo | CP|Laptop: I don't know what's why I ask |
| 08:34.57 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 08:35.11 | XorA | best method to chack is mount -o bind /blah /bleh and see if it works |
| 08:35.13 | AvengerMoJo | what will be the flag? I'm sure it is not --bind |
| 08:35.18 | CP|Laptop | No, you said you couldn't bind mount |
| 08:35.22 | AvengerMoJo | oh |
| 08:35.27 | CP|Laptop | thats different then asking if you can bind mount |
| 08:35.32 | XorA | -t bind sorry |
| 08:36.57 | *** join/#oe alan|home (n=alan@ARouen-152-1-69-36.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:37.09 | CP|Laptop | XorA: no, its -o bind |
| 08:40.52 | AvengerMoJo | CP|Laptop: thanks alot |
| 08:42.49 | AvengerMoJo | CP|Laptop: -o bind work with busy box |
| 08:43.07 | AvengerMoJo | so I can put that into fstab also then |
| 08:49.14 | AvengerMoJo | RP: how big is your C3000 first partition? |
| 08:49.50 | RP | AvengerMoJo: Its as standard, whatever that is |
| 08:50.23 | AvengerMoJo | hum 100M |
| 08:50.30 | AvengerMoJo | thanks |
| 08:51.01 | AvengerMoJo | RP: do you use other way to put more application? |
| 08:58.27 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: ipkg -d destination install package |
| 09:02.14 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks ... so I need to update my ld library path by hand do I? |
| 09:03.38 | hrw|work | use "ipkg-link mount destination" command to create symlinks |
| 09:03.49 | hrw|work | or resize partitions on microdrive |
| 09:04.00 | hrw|work | or boot from other partition then hda1 |
| 09:04.15 | hrw|work | at work I have / on /dev/hda5 |
| 09:05.34 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks ...I'm just worry if I resize the hda1 may affect my image update in the future |
| 09:05.40 | AvengerMoJo | that's why |
| 09:05.55 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: iirc image is unpacked from tarball? |
| 09:06.42 | hrw|work | anyway I would like to have that problem ;) now my / on zaurus have ~60M total and only half ot it occupied |
| 09:07.10 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 09:07.34 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ref08017d... 10/packages/wlan-ng/ (4 files in 2 dirs): wlan-ng: move two patches that are used by more than one .bb to the files directory |
| 09:08.16 | hrw|work | mickeyl waked |
| 09:12.05 | AvengerMoJo | RP: last time you too me about a new meta .... opie-meta-all .. something like that .. can I use that? |
| 09:12.22 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: it was me and it is not in repo |
| 09:12.27 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: build meta-opie |
| 09:12.43 | AvengerMoJo | 2.6 kernel running the branchmark a lot faster then 2.4 about 30% |
| 09:12.49 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: oh :) hehe ok |
| 09:13.02 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: now its meta-opie, soon it will be meta-opie + meta-opie-all (I split 1 into 2) |
| 09:13.21 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: how to make a new meta any link for the doc |
| 09:13.45 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: look into any existing and edit a copy |
| 09:13.49 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: I will try that .... what's the different |
| 09:14.14 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: I mean the meta-opie and -all |
| 09:15.24 | hrw|work | meta-opie have all opie stuff and is needed for new opie-image |
| 09:15.33 | hrw|work | meta-opie-all have rest of qpe stuff |
| 09:15.42 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: look into bugtracker for more info |
| 09:16.08 | AvengerMoJo | ok |
| 09:16.20 | AvengerMoJo | where is the meta file locate? |
| 09:16.38 | hrw|work | ? |
| 09:16.42 | AvengerMoJo | get it |
| 09:16.44 | AvengerMoJo | :O) |
| 09:16.56 | AvengerMoJo | it is packages/meta/ .... |
| 09:17.02 | AvengerMoJo | I never touch that before |
| 09:17.03 | AvengerMoJo | hehe |
| 09:17.54 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: also ... I still find something wired.. after I build 2.6 then back to 2.4 ... |
| 09:18.11 | AvengerMoJo | some package still using 2.6 version .. include kernel-module :) |
| 09:18.32 | AvengerMoJo | what do you think may cause this problem |
| 09:19.05 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: thats simple - machine conf want kernel-module-sco which is provided by kernel-module-sco_2.6 and kernel-module-sco_2.4 - 2.6 is newer |
| 09:19.53 | AvengerMoJo | ....I see |
| 09:20.29 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: so I need to some how make two seperate build for 2.4. and 2.6 if I want to test both kernel from time to time |
| 09:20.54 | AvengerMoJo | my laptop is not going to make it :) |
| 09:21.41 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: or build 2.6 and copy/move all modules outside of ipk/ |
| 09:21.46 | hrw|work | or other way |
| 09:22.27 | AvengerMoJo | I see .. moving it out of ipk will do that trick? |
| 09:22.31 | AvengerMoJo | hum .. that's cool |
| 09:22.41 | AvengerMoJo | hehe thanks |
| 09:22.55 | AvengerMoJo | not I know what pcmica and all other stuff are mess up |
| 09:23.49 | hrw|work | anyway there are more things which are kernel related |
| 09:24.03 | AvengerMoJo | e.g.? |
| 09:24.23 | AvengerMoJo | my typo is horrible .... |
| 09:24.47 | AvengerMoJo | now I know why pcmcia and other stuff are mess up |
| 09:25.39 | alan|home | AvengerMoJo: maybe this iis a silly question, but why do you want to use a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 09:26.19 | AvengerMoJo | well 2.6 didn't get sound |
| 09:26.47 | AvengerMoJo | 2.6 keymap need to fix and fuctionkey is not there yet |
| 09:27.07 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: so fix it |
| 09:27.14 | AvengerMoJo | and 2.6 pcmcia didn't get a driver for my wireless card |
| 09:27.19 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: yes I'm going to :) |
| 09:27.24 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: don't worry |
| 09:27.32 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: under 2.4 which driver it use? |
| 09:27.37 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: but I like to feel what is there under 2.4 |
| 09:27.47 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: this is what I'm trying to find out |
| 09:27.53 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: it is still myth to me |
| 09:28.11 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: boot 2.4, insert card, do 'lsmod' |
| 09:28.12 | AvengerMoJo | this guy /tmp/wl_lkm_722_abg.tar.gz |
| 09:28.24 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: what card is it? |
| 09:28.29 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: I need to compile it myself ... it is not in there |
| 09:28.46 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: eagletec CWB1000 |
| 09:28.55 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: cf? usb? |
| 09:28.55 | CP|Laptop | heh - http://www.sourcemage.org/ |
| 09:29.02 | AvengerMoJo | CF |
| 09:29.03 | CP|Laptop | That sumbitch uses a bash based buildsystem |
| 09:29.10 | zecke_ | re |
| 09:29.15 | CP|Laptop | And you thought python was a pita.. :) |
| 09:29.27 | AvengerMoJo | lol |
| 09:29.58 | koen | CP|Laptop: iirc bernardo is one of the devs for sourcemage |
| 09:30.09 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: what i"m doing is patching the 2.4 pcmcia with this guy ... and the I try it on my 2.4 |
| 09:30.19 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: if that work then I can port the driver to 2.6 |
| 09:30.34 | AvengerMoJo | then I can start working .. or else it is a pain without wireless |
| 09:30.37 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: it has own driver? nice challenge it can be |
| 09:30.39 | AvengerMoJo | I mean network |
| 09:30.59 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: well.. it should be hermes |
| 09:31.07 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: wavelan2 |
| 09:31.32 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: but some variation and the latest hostap driver get something ... not correct though |
| 09:31.46 | AvengerMoJo | so I'm try to dig into the 2.4 and see the myth of this driver really work |
| 09:32.16 | AvengerMoJo | the sol reason I'm trying 2.4 actually |
| 09:32.41 | AvengerMoJo | or else Iwill be have with out the sound and start fixing the keymap stuff already hehe |
| 09:32.54 | AvengerMoJo | but I get priority hehe :P |
| 09:33.43 | AvengerMoJo | also ... this eagle card exist a lot more in China / HongKong .... if I can actually port this card .. may help alot of people |
| 09:33.54 | AvengerMoJo | so .... |
| 09:34.28 | hrw|work | koen: what do you think about meta-sdl.bb which will have all sdl based apps/games? |
| 09:34.35 | AvengerMoJo | the card itself is cheap ... but I don't really want to just get a working card and be done with it |
| 09:34.35 | koen | doesn't 2.6 have wvlan_cs? |
| 09:34.43 | koen | hrw|work: sounds good |
| 09:34.51 | AvengerMoJo | koen that card didn't work :( I don't know why |
| 09:34.54 | hrw|work | koen: it will make meta-opie-all smaller ;) |
| 09:35.09 | koen | hrw|work: but someone still needs to remove all the pointless opie stuff from sdl games |
| 09:35.14 | AvengerMoJo | koen that's why I think this driver claim to be working is a myth |
| 09:35.16 | hrw|work | koen: but first I have to build meta-opie-all to get full list of it |
| 09:35.19 | koen | SECTION = opie/games |
| 09:35.24 | koen | and more of that nonsense |
| 09:35.27 | hrw|work | koen: yep |
| 09:39.01 | *** join/#oe pb_ (n=pb@2002:5246:d929:1:20a:5eff:fe00:391e) |
| 09:39.44 | AvengerMoJo | if I want to extract a tar.bz as a package patch ...where should I put it in? file://<tarball.patch> or do_configuer? |
| 09:40.46 | hrw|work | patches in tarball? |
| 09:40.49 | pb_ | You probably want to put it in SRC_URI, and provide some kind of do_munge() method to shuffle files in the working directory. |
| 09:42.12 | zecke_ | koen: pointless? if they install a .desktop in /opt/Qtopia... they're basicly a Qtopia/Opie app ;) |
| 09:42.22 | koen | heh |
| 09:42.28 | zecke_ | koen: I did not know matchbox could read these files |
| 09:42.45 | koen | matchbox can read .desktop files just file |
| 09:42.51 | koen | fine* |
| 09:43.02 | zecke_ | koen: hehe but broken QPE files as well? |
| 09:43.14 | koen | no, it follows the fdo spec |
| 09:43.15 | zecke_ | broken as in broken by design |
| 09:43.32 | koen | yeah |
| 09:43.45 | koen | qtopia itself is broken by design |
| 09:44.01 | koen | if someone told me microsoft designed it, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 09:44.08 | zecke_ | koen: if they would be freepda.o or freesmartphone.o... but freedesktop.org sounds wrong for a mobile computer |
| 09:44.12 | koen | incompatible junk |
| 09:44.24 | zecke_ | koen: Microsoft does not design, they buy |
| 09:45.21 | zecke_ | koen: I need to start a Bitch Qtopia blog and hope TT listens... |
| 09:45.52 | koen | "we don't need standards because we are doing embedded work" |
| 09:45.53 | hrw|work | zecke_: add yourself to Qt Blog? |
| 09:46.22 | zecke_ | koen: no we don't need standards because we have a momentum on embedded linux |
| 09:46.32 | zecke_ | koen: Montavista and Lineo acknowledge that ;) |
| 09:49.02 | zecke_ | koen: http://www.linux.org/news/2005/09/14/0003.html |
| 09:50.30 | pb_ | zecke_: good morning |
| 09:50.46 | koen | zecke_: that doesn't mention 'filthy rich' |
| 09:50.54 | hrw|work | zecke_: MimeType::appsFolderName() return /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/ dir? |
| 09:51.54 | zecke_ | hrw|work: yes (I wonder if they're translated) |
| 09:52.26 | hrw|work | zecke_: thx |
| 09:52.41 | zecke_ | not translated |
| 09:52.50 | zecke_ | it simply returns the path |
| 10:02.29 | *** join/#oe zinga (n=arnaudb@186.80-203-227.nextgentel.com) |
| 10:05.39 | *** join/#oe CP|Laptop (n=nobody@aus-ext-proxy01.amd.com) |
| 10:11.21 | *** join/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.253) |
| 10:11.56 | *** part/#oe Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.253) |
| 10:27.40 | RP | AvengerMoJo: The 2.6 keymap for the cxx00 works and always has done. There was some init issues which meant it didn;t load but that is all fixed |
| 10:32.34 | AvengerMoJo | RP: really :) that's cool :P |
| 10:34.12 | AvengerMoJo | pb_: SRC_URI, and provide some kind of do_munge() <--- this will run before configure right |
| 10:35.06 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: add "addtask do_munge() after do_patch()" into recipe |
| 10:35.18 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks |
| 10:35.24 | hrw|work | exact syntax in many examples |
| 10:35.30 | AvengerMoJo | ok :) |
| 10:35.36 | hrw|work | kdepimpi/kdepimpi-base.inc is one of them |
| 10:35.46 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks alot |
| 10:36.18 | hrw|work | np |
| 10:38.21 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: where should i put the patch.tarball? |
| 10:38.32 | hrw|work | its your patches? |
| 10:38.34 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: should that be src/ |
| 10:38.39 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: not really |
| 10:38.58 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: the driver add on to the pcmcia package |
| 10:39.06 | AvengerMoJo | could be from the web |
| 10:39.09 | hrw|work | AvengerMoJo: when you add it into SRC_URI then it will be fetched and unpacked into ${WORKDIR} |
| 10:40.00 | AvengerMoJo | ... hrw|work what if I want to unpack it inside the {WORKDIR}/pcmcia-cs/ |
| 10:40.40 | hrw|work | change archive |
| 10:41.05 | AvengerMoJo | oh |
| 10:41.27 | AvengerMoJo | so I should forget the patch but rebuild the source package you mean |
| 10:41.52 | hrw|work | keep in mind that your do_munge() task can do anything.. it can cd ${WORKDIR}/pcmcia-cs/ and run patch from it etc |
| 10:42.28 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: ah ... so I just don't get the patch tarball in file and extra it from src directly |
| 10:42.32 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks |
| 10:44.06 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: is there any label for src ? like {SOURCEDIR} |
| 10:44.38 | hrw|work | WORKDIR is a place where your source is unpacked |
| 10:49.13 | AvengerMoJo | hrw|work: thanks |
| 11:11.32 | do13 | hi |
| 11:13.19 | hrw|work | hi dirk |
| 11:15.23 | zecke_ | do13: hi |
| 11:15.41 | zecke_ | do13: how can I help? (tosa kernel development) |
| 11:16.46 | do13 | hi hrw|work, zecke_ |
| 11:17.04 | RP | hi dirk |
| 11:18.36 | do13 | zecke_: most of the open points (charging) needs a new WM9712 driver |
| 11:18.45 | do13 | hi RP |
| 11:21.22 | zecke_ | oh man bitbakes debugging capabilities suck... |
| 11:22.06 | do13 | zecke_: and USB host (internal wifi) is also unsupported :-) |
| 11:24.06 | do13 | zecke_: what do you like to do? |
| 11:24.48 | zecke_ | do13: everything sounds like fun. I guess I will tackle charging |
| 11:25.01 | zecke_ | do13: is that the same chip as the c7xx has? |
| 11:25.59 | do13 | zecke_: it's another chip |
| 11:26.35 | do13 | zecke_: The tosa uses the AC97 audio codec for reading the battery status |
| 11:26.59 | *** join/#oe stevenh (n=lews@65.167.23.2) |
| 11:28.12 | do13 | zecke_: This is a multifunctional device: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/touchscreen/adcs/WM9712/ |
| 11:29.22 | zecke_ | do13: headphone detection is done by that chip as well? |
| 11:30.16 | do13 | zecke_: yep |
| 11:32.15 | zecke_ | well, then I will tackle that |
| 11:32.24 | zecke_ | do13: do you live in berlin/germany? |
| 11:34.18 | do13 | zecke_: nope. I'am from hessen (between kassel and fulda) |
| 11:34.49 | zecke_ | I'm sorry ;) |
| 11:37.11 | do13 | Doesn't matter. Berlin is only 400Km away:) |
| 11:37.35 | koen | is fulda on the border? |
| 11:38.14 | do13 | koen: no. It's central in germany. |
| 11:39.34 | do13 | koen: In the past it was near the border (DDR). |
| 11:40.11 | koen | aha |
| 11:41.59 | zecke_ | damn I looked at the Lineo Sourcecode... I feel raped |
| 11:42.32 | *** join/#oe Timelord (n=TL@216.137.177.98) |
| 11:44.38 | do13 | zecke_: which file? |
| 11:44.51 | zecke_ | do13: tosa*.c |
| 11:45.45 | pb_ | zecke_: clearly you are not a man to learn from the mistakes of others |
| 11:46.42 | zecke_ | pb_: others are on crack anyway |
| 11:48.10 | CP|Laptop | Why do you think they started doing crack? |
| 11:48.23 | CP|Laptop | They saw the Lineo code |
| 11:48.24 | *** join/#oe Timelord0 (n=TL@216.137.177.98) |
| 11:52.05 | zecke_ | I wand dtrace badly |
| 11:55.33 | zecke_ | pb_: specially I seldomly learn from my own mistakes :} |
| 11:56.27 | koen | zecke_: I can annoy less people now |
| 11:56.40 | koen | zecke_: my nano arrived :) |
| 11:57.32 | zecke_ | hehe does it run linux yet |
| 11:58.28 | koen | heh |
| 11:58.40 | koen | no, and I haven't added support for it to OE neither |
| 12:00.49 | CP|Laptop | slacker |
| 12:06.53 | hrw|work | koen: can you build billiardz with libsdl-x11? |
| 12:08.09 | *** join/#oe stevenh (n=lews@65.167.23.2) |
| 12:08.34 | koen | hrw|work: I suspect billiardz is a real qte app |
| 12:09.40 | hrw|work | koen: currently I have "aliens billiardz freedroid gemdropx powermanga prboom rott scummvm vectoroids xmame" linked with libsdl-qpe - need to test which one are pure sdl ones |
| 12:10.06 | koen | prboom rott scummvm are pure sdl apps |
| 12:11.02 | zecke_ | koen: when I asked Al to run Linux on her iPOD... |
| 12:11.21 | koen | she gave you a very funny look? |
| 12:14.04 | zecke_ | koen: she could not get, why one would destroy perfectly working systems... |
| 12:14.21 | zecke_ | koen: I tried her talking into dual booting |
| 12:14.50 | koen | 32mb ram and a 75MHz chip |
| 12:15.00 | koen | did you mention it can play videos with linux? |
| 12:15.45 | hrw|work | koen: freedroid is pure too |
| 12:15.58 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.22 | zecke_ | koen: but recording audio, and play more games |
| 12:16.31 | koen | zecke_: the ipods even have a *dual* arm7tdmi |
| 12:16.34 | zecke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.47 | zecke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.50 | zecke_ | *yum* |
| 12:17.08 | koen | nice |
| 12:17.24 | koen | almost like my powerbook |
| 12:17.46 | zecke_ | koen: if the 12" powerbook would have a superdrive... |
| 12:17.56 | koen | mine has |
| 12:18.04 | zecke_ | koen: you can write dvd? |
| 12:18.08 | koen | yes |
| 12:18.21 | zecke_ | wtf, why does the website claims it is not possible... |
| 12:18.25 | koen | dvd-r and dvd-rw |
| 12:18.49 | koen | and my powerbook is over a year old now |
| 12:18.50 | zecke_ | anyway I actually have only written two DVDs in my entire life... |
| 12:20.06 | koen | I still plan to backup my divx collection to data-dvd |
| 12:21.02 | koen | zecke_: http://www.portalplayer.com/products/documents/5022_Brief_Mar05.pdf |
| 12:22.10 | zecke_ | nice |
| 12:22.24 | zecke_ | even SDIO |
| 12:23.02 | koen | wifiPOD :) |
| 12:23.49 | *** join/#oe chouimat|Zzzz (n=dieu@r2351064.cidc.net) |
| 12:25.07 | *** join/#oe gints (n=gints@195.244.141.102) |
| 12:25.22 | CP|Laptop | wow |
| 12:25.27 | CP|Laptop | thats a meaty little processor |
| 12:26.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:26.40 | koen | hey chouimat |
| 12:26.52 | do13 | koen: funny chip, but a small BGA package |
| 12:27.51 | hrw|work | can someone try to build scummvm with libsdl-x11? |
| 12:28.01 | koen | yeah |
| 12:28.14 | koen | ~lart scummvm people and their buildsystem |
| 12:28.44 | hrw|work | ~lart php for lack of multibyte support |
| 12:30.56 | koen | hrw|work: scummvm works with sdl-x11, but doesn't build for some reason |
| 12:31.01 | koen | I still need to look into that |
| 12:31.01 | hrw|work | ok |
| 12:31.12 | hrw|work | koen: can you rebuild xmame with sdl-x11? |
| 12:31.14 | chouimat | lol http://www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html |
| 12:35.06 | hrw|work | chouimat: quite funny |
| 12:36.21 | zecke_ | pb_: Am I wrong or can one only have two items in a BBCOLLECTION? |
| 12:38.58 | pb_ | zecke_: you are wrong |
| 12:39.18 | zecke_ | pb_: *puh* I love to be wrong |
| 12:41.08 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:42.55 | zecke_ | pb_: the debugging capabilities of bitbake really suck |
| 12:44.54 | hrw|work | lunch time - then meta-sdl commit, then opie-image/meta-opie* |
| 12:44.59 | *** join/#oe randomxs (n=bitchx@cpe-24-242-7-113.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 12:45.38 | *** part/#oe randomxs (n=bitchx@cpe-24-242-7-113.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 12:45.57 | chouimat | LOL "The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change . -- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers" |
| 12:46.02 | pb_ | zecke_: sure do |
| 12:50.30 | *** join/#oe malfi (n=malte@dsl-082-082-201-034.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:02.50 | LoDown | chouimat, lol |
| 13:04.18 | CP|Laptop | shame on you all for not fixing RJDay's bugs as he reports them! |
| 13:04.31 | koen | 'bugs' |
| 13:05.21 | CP|Laptop | bugs, dilusions, whatever... :) |
| 13:06.17 | pb_ | dilution? that sounds hard to fix. |
| 13:09.26 | koen | 'help, stress, multiple heads in monotone' |
| 13:11.17 | *** join/#oe mallum (n=mallum@66.237.207.13.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 13:13.51 | CP|Laptop | pb_: heh |
| 13:14.10 | CP|Laptop | pb_: I blame the german beer for my general lack of mental capacities today |
| 13:16.07 | zecke_ | hehe |
| 13:16.13 | zecke_ | CP|Laptop: what brand? |
| 13:22.33 | CP|Laptop | A local brewery - Waldschlosschen, I think |
| 13:23.32 | hrw|work | heh.. libsdl-native does not build ;( |
| 13:23.52 | hrw|work | | SDL_cpuinfo.c:107: error: PIC register '%ebx' clobbered in 'asm' |
| 13:24.23 | koen | CP|Laptop: you're in germany? |
| 13:27.26 | CP|Laptop | koen: yep |
| 13:28.14 | koen | cool |
| 13:28.28 | koen | I bet in dresden at fab13 |
| 13:28.28 | CP|Laptop | Dresden |
| 13:28.29 | zecke_ | CP|Laptop: staying here for longer? |
| 13:28.36 | CP|Laptop | Till Sunday |
| 13:28.48 | CP|Laptop | koen: heh - its fab30 and fab36.. :) |
| 13:29.05 | CP|Laptop | koen: the fabs are named by the year of the company they were built |
| 13:29.07 | koen | at least I had the '3' right :) |
| 13:37.20 | hrw|work | how much modules does our perl build generate? |
| 13:38.18 | koen | 700 or 800 |
| 13:38.38 | hrw|work | so I have to wait some time.. |
| 13:38.43 | koen | did the dependency script get pushed? |
| 13:38.56 | hrw|work | dont remember |
| 13:41.19 | hrw|work | 855 packages with modules |
| 13:43.29 | hrw|work | frozen-bubble is BROKEN anyway |
| 13:43.47 | koen | for every configuration? |
| 13:43.54 | koen | is so -> move to non-working/ |
| 13:44.39 | hrw|work | its marked as it - I dont have machine with enviroment where I can test it |
| 13:47.10 | hrw|work | I'm adding sdl stuff into meta-sdl |
| 13:47.32 | hrw|work | task-sdl-games, task-sdl-libs, task-sdl-emulators |
| 13:48.40 | hrw|work | and it will contain only stuff which does not need libsdl-qpe |
| 13:50.55 | pb_ | presumably that's a pretty short list |
| 13:51.09 | hrw|work | task-sdl-games = "freedroid lbreakout2 openttd prboom quake1 rott supertux uqm xmame" |
| 13:51.12 | hrw|work | task-sdl-emulators = "dgen-sdl e-uae frodo snes9x" |
| 13:53.00 | hrw|work | thats all now |
| 13:53.44 | hrw|work | ops. forgot about abuse |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r940210b3... 10/packages/meta/meta-sdl.bb: |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-4 | meta-sdl: added more stuff which use SDL and not SDL/QPE |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-4 | - task-sdl-games contain all SDL games |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-4 | - task-sdl-emulators with all SDL emulators |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-4 | - task-sdl-libs contain libs without base libsdl (all libs depend on it already) |
| 14:15.19 | hrw|work | beware - opie-image/meta-opie comes.. |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3986317b... 10/packages/meta/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | meta-opie & opie-image restructure (bug#307) |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | - new metapackage: meta-opie-all which contain non-OPIE stuff for QPE enviroment |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | - meta-opie contain only OPIE stuff (plus konqueror-embedded and qpdf2 for bigflash devices) |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | - moved opie-collections.inc functionality into meta-opie |
| 14:16.55 | CIA-4 | - created many task-packages for all opie packages |
| 14:16.55 | zecke_ | how do we handle installation of .desktop files? |
| 14:16.57 | CIA-4 | - building opie-image from defined tasks |
| 14:17.35 | hrw|work | zecke_: opie.bbclass or manual (if using palmtop.bbclass) |
| 14:17.50 | pb_ | no special mechanism, as far as I know; just "cp opie.desktop ${datadir}/applications" |
| 14:17.59 | koen | zecke_: install -m 644 foo.desktop ${D}${datadir}/applications |
| 14:18.02 | zecke_ | hrw|work: with regard to the SDL games? |
| 14:18.22 | zecke_ | hrw|work: some used to install QPE/Qtopia/Opie .desktop files |
| 14:18.25 | hrw|work | zecke_: there manual (if at all) |
| 14:18.34 | zecke_ | fd.o has no patent on the name .desktop ;) |
| 14:19.36 | zecke_ | hrw|work: I can imagine X guys do not want /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Games/foogame.desktop in their package |
| 14:20.13 | hrw|work | zecke_: and vice-versa... opie users may dont want /usr/share/applications/games/foogame.desktop |
| 14:20.20 | zecke_ | right |
| 14:20.30 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.33 | koen | ehm |
| 14:20.41 | koen | /usr/share/applications/foogame.desktop |
| 14:20.45 | zecke_ | okay back to the question |
| 14:20.45 | hrw|work | koen: I dont remember exact place |
| 14:20.48 | zecke_ | how do we handle that? |
| 14:21.02 | koen | .desktops go in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 14:21.20 | koen | I'm fairly sure that's what the standard says |
| 14:21.45 | zecke_ | koen: doc.tt.com says otherwise |
| 14:21.53 | hrw|work | zecke_: until we dont have libsdl-qpe working with libsdl-x11 I dont know does it would be good to have both places in package |
| 14:21.56 | koen | and since .desktop files have a 'Section' field, there isn't any need for subdirs |
| 14:21.57 | zecke_ | koen: and that is the Mobile Platform with Momemtum ;) |
| 14:22.01 | koen | heh |
| 14:22.50 | koen | zecke_: tt should either use .palmtop files or adhere to the standard |
| 14:22.52 | zecke_ | What I do not want to see. Break Opie SDL games (it is broken if the user has no icon to start it) |
| 14:23.00 | zecke_ | in favor of a semi working X11 integration |
| 14:23.21 | zecke_ | koen: sorry, AFAIK KDE invented .desktop and QPE used a KDE2 version of these files |
| 14:23.42 | koen | how hard would it be to teach opie to scan /usr/share/applications? |
| 14:24.11 | zecke_ | koen: hey man that would be incompatible ;) |
| 14:24.17 | koen | heh |
| 14:25.56 | zecke_ | koen: seriously I know people using OE to build Qtopia based ROMs |
| 14:25.57 | koen | and? |
| 14:25.57 | zecke_ | you would break perfectly working bbfiles |
| 14:25.57 | koen | 'perfectly' isn't right |
| 14:25.57 | zecke_ | perfectly from Opie/Qtopia POV |
| 14:25.57 | koen | yeah |
| 14:26.10 | koen | and I know people how build X based images |
| 14:26.32 | zecke_ | these SDL apps were not meant to be used by X people ;) |
| 14:26.33 | koen | images are better, since they are writeable, so I win :P |
| 14:26.44 | koen | zecke_: scummvm, rott? |
| 14:26.52 | zecke_ | koen: yeah ;) |
| 14:27.13 | hrw|work | scummvm does not build already with sdl/x11 ;) |
| 14:27.35 | koen | hrw|work: I just convinced it to build |
| 14:27.42 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:28.54 | koen | zecke_: from a neutral POV we should have .bbs that use virtual/libsdl and install .desktops in a neutral place |
| 14:29.09 | koen | change the first neutral into OE |
| 14:30.55 | koen | zecke_: a quick fix would be to install it in /usr/share/applications and let the postinst check if /opt/qtopia exists and copy it there |
| 14:31.50 | zecke_ | koen: /usr/share/applications it not neutral ;) |
| 14:32.31 | hrw|work | install then into /umba/umba/cyk/ |
| 14:33.26 | zecke_ | please do not get me wrong, I'm all for virtual/libsdl but we should not break stuff for Opie users |
| 14:33.49 | koen | teach opie to read /usr/share/applications |
| 14:34.03 | koen | or implement said postinst |
| 14:34.20 | hrw|work | thats need hacking opie launcher... auc... |
| 14:35.36 | zecke_ | koen: the 'Opie' .desktop files present do not have a "Section" key |
| 14:35.50 | zecke_ | koen: so they're not even suited for fd.o compilant launchers/menus |
| 14:36.15 | koen | then the postinst method seems to be the winner |
| 14:36.34 | koen | as long as opie doesn't crash on .desktop files that do contain 'Section' |
| 14:36.59 | koen | TT is arrogant enough to do something like that IMO |
| 14:37.02 | zecke_ | koen: the question is what happens if Opie gets installed after SDL games are already installed |
| 14:37.17 | zecke_ | koen: sorry but at this point fd.o did not even exist |
| 14:37.31 | zecke_ | koen: and they do no Desktop Stuff, they have KDE for that |
| 14:37.50 | koen | so they should use .palmtop files :P |
| 14:38.03 | koen | .desktop files are so bloated |
| 14:38.23 | koen | desktop icons are fluff anyway |
| 14:38.34 | hrw|work | where PREFERRED_PROVIDER_libgpewidget and PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gnome-vfs should be defined? in distro conf or in preffered-gpe-versions? |
| 14:38.50 | koen | neither |
| 14:39.03 | hrw|work | local.conf only? |
| 14:39.16 | koen | the libgpewidget one, yes |
| 14:40.00 | hrw|work | koen: so any distro can result in mix of gpe and hildon libs? |
| 14:40.11 | koen | yes |
| 14:40.22 | hrw|work | suxx |
| 14:40.24 | koen | if that distro wants to ship a gpe image and a hildon-image |
| 14:40.40 | *** join/#oe tomimo (n=kurre@a84-230-100-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 14:40.45 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:41.35 | koen | still no news from CELF |
| 14:41.38 | koen | *sigh* |
| 14:42.03 | zecke_ | koen: we still have the bug with virtual/libsdl and the dependencies ending up in libsdl-qpe or -x11? |
| 14:43.07 | koen | I think so |
| 14:43.17 | koen | I can even make it depend on both |
| 14:43.49 | koen | see http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115 |
| 14:44.47 | koen | I think we can't avoid special-casing sdl in OE |
| 14:45.06 | zecke_ | koen: we can |
| 14:47.36 | mithro | yay! the miniconf is on! |
| 14:48.58 | zecke_ | koen: wouldn't it work if the packages depend on libsdl? (or virtual/libsdl) |
| 14:49.02 | mithro | so now i have to figure out how to get you all here :P |
| 14:49.11 | zecke_ | koen: and both X11 and QPE provide these? |
| 14:49.28 | mithro | why do we need to special case SDL? |
| 14:49.41 | mithro | SDL_main should DIE! |
| 14:49.52 | koen | zecke_: they already do, but shlibs sees the qpe and x11 libs |
| 14:49.54 | XorA | mithro: stamp on it, kill it |
| 14:50.40 | zecke_ | mithro: SDL_main is an empty stub anyway |
| 14:51.04 | zecke_ | mithro: and apps use sdl-config for their flags, and there -Dmain=sdl_main should not turn up |
| 14:51.26 | mithro | zecke_: SDL_main is the only thing stopping binary compatibility between the to libSDL |
| 14:51.54 | mithro | i think they should however install themselves as libsdl-qt.so and do a "update-alternative" for libsdl.so |
| 14:51.56 | zecke_ | mithro: I doubt that ;) |
| 14:52.06 | zecke_ | (the SDL_main thing) |
| 14:52.34 | zecke_ | at least there is technically no reason to depend on SDL_main |
| 14:52.39 | XorA | zecke_: -Dmain=sdl_main still exists in libsdl-qpe :-( |
| 14:52.40 | pb_ | zecke_: didn't you fix the sdl_main thing months ago? |
| 14:52.57 | zecke_ | XorA: be more precise? |
| 14:53.06 | zecke_ | pb_: yeah I'm using constructors and destructors |
| 14:53.09 | koen | ink we can't avoid special-casing sdl in OE |
| 14:53.12 | pb_ | right |
| 14:53.21 | XorA | zecke_: the sdl-config generated by libsdl-qpe still outputs -Dmain=SDL_Main |
| 14:53.25 | mithro | koen: why? |
| 14:53.26 | koen | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115 |
| 14:53.45 | koen | mithro: I pressed copy after the line scrolled up |
| 14:53.58 | mithro | koen: libsdl-qte and libsdl-x11 SHOULD be binary compatible |
| 14:54.04 | mithro | if they arn't then thats the problem |
| 14:54.21 | koen | even if they are, shlibs gets in the way |
| 14:54.44 | koen | since sdl is linked to either x11 or qte |
| 14:54.49 | mithro | koen: hrm? |
| 14:54.56 | pb_ | shlibs shouldn't care about that. |
| 14:55.06 | pb_ | if it does, it's a bug. file a report in bugzilla and I will look at it. |
| 14:55.06 | mithro | don't they link against libsdl.so.0? |
| 14:55.26 | koen | pb_: isn't that what #115 is about? |
| 14:55.52 | XorA | pb_: when 2 packages provide the same library shlibs depends on the first one it finds, -qpe being alphabetically higher I think it gets picked |
| 14:56.53 | pb_ | koen: hm, bugs.openembedded.org won't resolve for me for some reason. What does #115 say? |
| 14:57.19 | zecke_ | pb_: we still do -Dmain=SDL_main |
| 14:57.26 | pb_ | zecke_: ah, then we suck |
| 14:57.34 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
| 14:57.37 | zecke_ | pb_: specially I do ;) |
| 14:57.40 | mithro | pb_: yes we do |
| 14:57.43 | koen | pb_: http://pastebin.ca/22906 |
| 14:57.50 | zecke_ | pb_: but fixing sdl-config should be minor... |
| 14:57.55 | AvengerMoJo | anyone use arm-linux-g++ 3.3.2 for building qte and opie before? |
| 14:58.00 | pb_ | koen: heh, pastebin.ca is even worse. that site _never_ works for me. |
| 14:58.15 | pb_ | ah, here we go, now bugs.openembedded.org is working |
| 14:58.17 | zecke_ | pb_: but statically linking an almost empty SDL_main should not harm |
| 14:58.18 | koen | yeah, pastebin.ca pretends to do ipv6 I think |
| 14:58.33 | pb_ | ah, right |
| 14:58.41 | pb_ | I wondered what was wrong with it. |
| 14:58.44 | koen | pb_: http://pastebin.com/363577 |
| 14:58.52 | pb_ | thanks |
| 15:00.06 | pb_ | it sounds like that's just related to the -Dmain thing, nothing to do with shlibs. |
| 15:00.57 | pb_ | so, assuming that Ãœberhacker Zecke can fix the thing with sdl-config, it should be in good shape. |
| 15:01.23 | *** join/#oe sirfred (n=mteira@134.Red-81-38-20.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:01.26 | sirfred | Good evening |
| 15:02.10 | zecke_ | pb_: but even linking SDL_main should not harm? |
| 15:02.17 | zecke_ | pb_: as it probably only calls main() |
| 15:02.46 | zecke_ | bitbaking prboom now |
| 15:05.20 | XorA | c |
| 15:15.25 | zecke_ | well... |
| 15:19.21 | hrw|work | works? |
| 15:20.19 | zecke_ | hrw|work: 1.) -Dmain... is reported |
| 15:20.31 | zecke_ | hrw|work: 2.) -lSDLmain gets added as well |
| 15:20.37 | zecke_ | hrw|work: 3.) I do not have a SDLmain |
| 15:21.35 | hrw|work | 'aha' |
| 15:23.43 | zecke_ | I don't want to know how it even works.. |
| 15:24.56 | hrw|work | kopete lack one important option... 'ignore messages from people not in contactlist' |
| 15:41.34 | koen | good morning kergoth |
| 15:42.30 | *** join/#oe [g2] (n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2) |
| 15:44.43 | pb_ | zecke_: mm, yes, true |
| 15:45.00 | pb_ | since SDL_main is part of libSDL.a, it doesn't impact the binary interface to libSDL.so |
| 15:45.12 | pb_ | so, I don't know what the dude in that bug was concerned about |
| 15:46.18 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 15:49.14 | zecke_ | pb_: anyway it is more nice, to patch sdl-config as well |
| 15:49.20 | pb_ | yeah |
| 16:00.43 | *** join/#oe ideal (n=idealm_@222.67.235.68) |
| 16:07.37 | *** join/#oe pH5 (n=ph5@e178208231.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:28.19 | RP | strace echo "2" > /sys/class/backlight/corgi_bl/brightness is interesting |
| 16:28.32 | RP | It sends the 2 happily and then loops sending the "\n" |
| 16:32.09 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:34.21 | *** join/#oe ar_ (n=ar@port-ip-213-211-231-74.reverse.mdcc-fun.de) |
| 16:37.24 | *** join/#oe hufnus (n=slonsiki@72.250.53.227) |
| 16:41.20 | emte | on a normal system anyone have an opinion on what tmpfs should be set to for shm? |
| 16:41.35 | emte | 1gb seems rather excessive |
| 16:42.19 | Noodles | Is it a 2GB machine? |
| 16:42.24 | emte | yup |
| 16:42.31 | Noodles | I think it defaults to half of main mem. |
| 16:42.37 | emte | seems default is 1/2 your ram |
| 16:42.56 | emte | was thinking about cutting it back to 256 |
| 16:43.05 | Noodles | Is it an issue? |
| 16:43.27 | emte | would rather use the ram for other things ... |
| 16:43.40 | emte | as far as i can figure out its only X thats using it |
| 16:43.51 | emte | and rarely |
| 16:44.22 | RP | emte: It only takes as much space as it needs. The 1GB is the maximum it can grow to |
| 16:44.39 | emte | hmm |
| 16:44.55 | *** join/#oe ar_ (n=ar@port-ip-213-211-231-74.reverse.mdcc-fun.de) |
| 16:44.56 | emte | maybe there is a bug in my driver then |
| 16:45.07 | emte | its allocated the full gb and isnt sharing |
| 16:45.23 | emte | er doesnt change size |
| 16:45.53 | emte | i just never see amything more than a few MB using it |
| 16:46.30 | RP | It will list 1GB as available - it won't use it though |
| 16:46.48 | emte | yeah that seems to be my problem because it has |
| 16:47.06 | emte | tmpfs 1015M 16K 1015M 1% /dev/shm |
| 16:47.16 | emte | mtab entry |
| 16:48.22 | CP|Laptop | Time to roll back to the hotel |
| 16:49.34 | emte | i wish somewhere it would list a reasonable value for shm ... |
| 16:51.27 | RP | emte: It won't have allocated that amount in memory |
| 16:55.32 | emte | Mem: 2076812k total, 1672108k used, |
| 16:55.37 | emte | it has |
| 16:56.09 | emte | unless my system has decided to use 1.6gb ram idling |
| 17:05.09 | *** join/#oe zecke (n=ich@83-169-171-130-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:07.40 | emte | seems a lot of issues with shm and tmpfs ... |
| 17:07.50 | emte | lot of forum arguments about it |
| 17:09.01 | emte | i guess all i can do is lock it down to 256 and see if POSIX IPC complains |
| 17:14.18 | *** join/#oe [cc]smart (n=smart@gw.ptr-62-65-149-158.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 17:31.41 | *** join/#oe ar_ (n=ar@port-ip-213-211-231-74.reverse.mdcc-fun.de) |
| 17:41.41 | *** join/#oe _alwin_ (n=ral@cable-84-44-250-19.netcologne.de) |
| 17:50.49 | *** join/#oe _chronic (n=adamb@213.210.24.6) |
| 17:50.49 | *** join/#oe Lo-Down (n=LoDown@dsl093-230-135.lou1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:55.10 | *** join/#oe abm_y4k (n=abm_y4k@host-65-61-193-21.in2net.com) |
| 18:30.44 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 18:30.57 | koen | mickeyl: did you get contacted by any of the CELF people? |
| 18:32.23 | emte | hmm .. |
| 18:32.30 | emte | my ipaq locked up :( |
| 18:36.21 | *** join/#oe tbrown (n=tbrown@beaver.nrri.umn.edu) |
| 18:37.20 | tbrown | hi all, is there a channel better suited to support questions? |
| 18:40.22 | mickeyl | good evening |
| 18:40.27 | mickeyl | koen: no, i haven't been contacted yet |
| 18:44.42 | koen | mickeyl: how did you test the tslib patch on a simpad? |
| 18:45.46 | mickeyl | koen: by handing a copy of the binary over to my friend Christian |
| 18:46.00 | *** part/#oe tbrown (n=tbrown@beaver.nrri.umn.edu) |
| 18:46.07 | mickeyl | (who is mainly using his SIMpad as a IR transmitter) |
| 18:46.25 | mickeyl | it doesn't look like raster is too interested though :/ |
| 18:46.28 | mickeyl | not a single reply |
| 18:47.19 | koen | the people on the familiar list are raving about the eem demo |
| 18:47.34 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:47.35 | koen | lemmings, cliff |
| 18:47.39 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 18:47.46 | mickeyl | there is virtually _no_ code behind that |
| 18:47.54 | mickeyl | all raster was doing was show off an edje |
| 18:48.29 | koen | it's quite cool he's able to do that with virtually no code |
| 18:49.34 | mickeyl | that's true. edje is a pretty interesting approach to interfaces |
| 18:49.48 | mickeyl | s/no code/no code outside the edje definition/ |
| 18:50.47 | koen | also note http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3625053852.html and the connection to CELF |
| 18:52.25 | koen | bleh |
| 18:52.53 | koen | I just realize I'll have to update all maemo stuff in ~16 days from now |
| 18:53.45 | koen | heh |
| 18:53.59 | koen | mickeyl: it seems you share my dislike for dots in overrides :) |
| 18:54.37 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 18:55.03 | mickeyl | are they supposed to send us the codes anytime soon? |
| 18:55.13 | koen | yes |
| 18:55.16 | emte | mickeyl, raster is no longer awnswering emails |
| 18:55.28 | emte | he is trying to get the textblock2 stuff done |
| 18:55.59 | emte | as for eem, that demo os almost 2yrs old |
| 18:56.02 | emte | is* |
| 18:56.12 | emte | it doent even work correctly anymore |
| 18:57.10 | mickeyl | yeah. it doesn't matter, ecore-fb will have to be rewritten anyway. it's much too ipaq-h3600 centric |
| 18:57.52 | emte | didnt know justinp even had an ipaq |
| 18:58.04 | mickeyl | ? |
| 18:58.14 | pH5 | mickeyl: is there anyone who knows how to fix the udev init scripts the right way? |
| 18:58.14 | emte | his files |
| 18:58.32 | mickeyl | pH5: that would be you ;) |
| 18:58.38 | mickeyl | <--- to busy atm. |
| 18:58.47 | mickeyl | could you do that? |
| 18:59.18 | pH5 | okokok. I just don't really know how it's supposed to work. |
| 18:59.28 | pH5 | start udevd directly from the init script? |
| 18:59.49 | mickeyl | pH5: not much to know besides a) udevd should be started by the script (either directly or via udevsend) and b) echo "" >/proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 19:00.19 | mickeyl | and then we need to see which hotplug rules we have left to convert |
| 19:00.24 | pH5 | great. that sounds easier than I thought. |
| 19:00.44 | mickeyl | i think there is a simple init script in the latest udev distribution |
| 19:00.49 | mickeyl | just don't use the lsb one, it's outdated |
| 19:01.47 | koen | mickeyl: what's your opinion on teaching opie to read /usr/share/applications for .desktop files |
| 19:01.58 | koen | ? |
| 19:02.58 | koen | zecke and I had a discussion about that since pure sdl apps put it in /opt/qtopia, which is unacceptable for non-qt environments |
| 19:05.10 | mickeyl | I'm a bit reluctant to do _any_ changes to Opie from now on. I think it may be better to add a symlink during postinstall if an Opie installation is detected |
| 19:05.42 | koen | that's sort of with what I came up with |
| 19:06.31 | mickeyl | I consider Opie really really frozen now, unless for critical bugfixes |
| 19:07.04 | koen | it's not urgent |
| 19:07.10 | koen | just something to keep in mind |
| 19:11.15 | mickeyl | righto |
| 19:13.35 | koen | another thought: bump the opie PV to 2.1.1 |
| 19:13.43 | koen | I bet that would confuse a lot of people |
| 19:20.33 | *** join/#oe nofpu (n=matthew@82-35-109-191.cable.ubr06.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:27.07 | mickeyl | ah well, i have that odd sense of version numbers reflecting the state of programs ... |
| 19:27.16 | mickeyl | ... and i can't really justify 2.x.x for Opie :D |
| 19:30.31 | *** join/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@219.236.21.70) |
| 19:30.53 | *** part/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@219.236.21.70) |
| 19:31.54 | *** join/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@219.236.21.70) |
| 19:32.18 | *** part/#oe minipanda (n=zhanght@219.236.21.70) |
| 19:34.47 | *** join/#oe hufnus (n=slonsiki@72.250.53.227) |
| 19:35.37 | *** join/#oe netnix (n=alex@81.25.38.41) |
| 19:36.15 | *** join/#oe andersee (n=andersee@codepoet.org) |
| 19:36.24 | koen | mickeyl: any ideas on how to name the branch? |
| 19:39.10 | mickeyl | org.openembedded.oz354fam083 |
| 19:39.21 | mickeyl | or vice versa |
| 19:40.23 | koen | sounds ok |
| 19:40.45 | koen | I'm feeling lazy, so shall we branch in the weekend? |
| 19:42.07 | mickeyl | *nod* that'll be sufficient |
| 19:47.36 | *** join/#oe realloc (n=realloc@ip65.126.adsl.wplus.ru) |
| 19:49.53 | realloc | ping :-/ |
| 20:03.22 | *** join/#oe chris144 (n=kvirc@195.234.128.72) |
| 20:05.51 | RP | For reference, the sysfs/backlight bug we saw is fixed in 2.6.13-mm3. 2.6.14-rc1+git(today) also works with some patches :) |
| 20:06.09 | RP | I'll upgrade to 2.6.13-mm3 tomorrow |
| 20:12.34 | koen | cool |
| 20:13.52 | mickeyl | excellent |
| 20:15.11 | mickeyl | hmm i have a calibration problem. let's say i calibrate @ rot270. i guess i need to rotate the screen points back to 0 in order to work with the values got by ts_read_raw, right? |
| 20:34.55 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4b441ac3... 10/packages/libgpevtype/libgpevtype_cvs.bb: packages/libgpevtype/libgpevtype_cvs.bb: add (disabled) floating cvs version of libgpevtype |
| 20:43.14 | chris144 | Folks, 1st build after quite some time glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 fails with undefined reference to `_errno... (see http://pastebin.ca/22933). Did you see that in your builds? |
| 21:13.16 | RP | mickeyl: correct :-/ |
| 21:21.06 | *** join/#oe netnix (n=alex@81.25.37.101) |
| 21:32.44 | *** part/#oe pH5 (n=ph5@e178208231.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:39.38 | mickeyl | mmh, k |
| 21:40.08 | mickeyl | linear, even |
| 21:44.13 | koen | mickeyl: forgetten the basic stuff that fast? |
| 21:45.07 | *** join/#oe ggilbert (n=ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 21:45.13 | ggilbert | ljp: Congrats on the new baby |
| 21:49.18 | mickeyl | *strike* |
| 21:49.30 | mickeyl | *phew* that took longer than it should've taken :/ |
| 21:49.35 | mickeyl | guess my math is getting rusty |
| 21:50.15 | Delta__ | don't you have a scientific calculator? |
| 21:50.40 | mickeyl | hmmm, on collie i don't even need to take a median of a couple of samples. jitter is low enough. guess i need to check on other models |
| 21:51.49 | Delta__ | I just put new batteries into my ti92+.. can't live without it anymore.. |
| 21:51.57 | koen | heh |
| 21:52.01 | koen | calculator weenies |
| 21:52.28 | mickeyl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9517.png |
| 21:52.38 | mickeyl | is that ugly or what? :))) |
| 21:52.59 | Delta__ | it is :) |
| 21:53.15 | mickeyl | thanks for confirming. my graphical talent converges to 0 |
| 21:54.08 | ggilbert | your graphical talent can be expressed as f(x) = 0 :p |
| 21:54.29 | mickeyl | hah |
| 21:54.37 | mickeyl | for what values of x ? |
| 21:54.47 | Delta__ | lim x-->0 |
| 21:54.53 | RP | mickeyl: Its a lovely feeling when you do that on a device or piece of software for the first time :) |
| 21:54.53 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 21:55.21 | mickeyl | RP: indeed it is :) |
| 21:56.18 | mickeyl | now that we have touchscreen, i can start adding sanity in the ecore_fb keyboard driver |
| 21:56.29 | mickeyl | surprise surprise... it contains a hacked map for h3600 :) |
| 21:56.43 | koen | Delta__: when I started uni calculators were forbidden at all math exams |
| 21:57.19 | mickeyl | guess I'll make it use the input system from the start |
| 21:58.00 | RP | mickeyl: an excellent start. That will enable most 2.6 devices to use it... |
| 21:58.29 | Delta__ | koen, same here, but we needed to use them on the other subjects, it's handy to see a curve of the fourier transformation you calculate.. |
| 21:58.45 | ggilbert | mickeyl: all values of x :p |
| 21:58.58 | koen | I could draw that faster as the calculater 2 years ago :) |
| 21:59.27 | mickeyl | hmm now let's see if efl features changing rotation on-the-fily |
| 21:59.34 | mickeyl | fly, even |
| 21:59.42 | ggilbert | alright. gotta run. |
| 21:59.49 | mickeyl | cu treke |
| 21:59.53 | ggilbert | one of these days I'll remember to put #oe back on autojoin :p |
| 22:00.31 | Delta__ | hey, my calculator has a 68000 on 16 mhz :) |
| 22:00.37 | RP | We were allowed calculators at uni but only simple ones... |
| 22:01.01 | koen | RP: I have to add graphing calculators were *mandatory* at highschool |
| 22:01.14 | koen | luckily my ti83 broke down |
| 22:01.57 | Delta__ | nowadays people all have laptops here, using matlab.. |
| 22:03.15 | RP | koen: They weren't mandatory for me but strongly advised as otherwise, everyone else had an advantaged. They are banned at A-Level now as well |
| 22:03.59 | RP | Delta__: I still don't own a laptop. I bought husky instead ;-) |
| 22:04.46 | sirfred | cu |
| 22:06.16 | Delta__ | does husky have a keyboard? I tried irssi on ssh on my palm from the couch, typing with the pen on the display , hitting the letters is so hard :) |
| 22:06.40 | RP | Delta__: It has - its a clamshell |
| 23:06.26 | mickeyl | is there a way to force tslib to reinitialize without ts_close and ts_open again? i.e. after calibration |
| 23:06.55 | mithro | hey people |
| 23:07.08 | mithro | mickeyl: how much would it cost you to get the LCA2006? |
| 23:07.38 | mickeyl | mithro: what's the nearest airport? |
| 23:08.32 | mickeyl | BNE, MEL, or SYD? |
| 23:09.22 | mithro | it's in New Zealand! |
| 23:09.29 | RP | :) |
| 23:09.55 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:10.56 | mithro | linux.conf.au is Australia's national Linux conference. linux.conf.au 2006 will be held in Dunedin, New Zealand from the 23rd - 28th January 2006 at the University of Otago. |
| 23:11.17 | mithro | mickeyl: yes an "Australian" conference is been held in New Zealand |
| 23:11.23 | mithro | don't try to understand it |
| 23:11.49 | RP | I dread to think how many changes I'd need to get to New Zealand... |
| 23:11.58 | mithro | btw anyone here going to the Linux Kongress? |
| 23:12.02 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:12.03 | mickeyl | wow |
| 23:12.09 | mickeyl | EXPENSIVE |
| 23:12.17 | mickeyl | around 2000 EUR |
| 23:12.44 | mickeyl | uhm no, it's even worse |
| 23:14.56 | Lo-Down | mickeyl, 2000 EUR to just get in, or what? |
| 23:15.22 | mickeyl | looks like the cheapest two way is ~3000EUR |
| 23:15.53 | Lo-Down | oh...plane ticket |
| 23:15.54 | Lo-Down | haha |
| 23:16.09 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:16.15 | mickeyl | absolutely unbelievable |
| 23:16.20 | Lo-Down | i was seriously confused... |
| 23:16.26 | Lo-Down | ya...thats incredibly stepp |
| 23:16.29 | Lo-Down | *steep |
| 23:16.40 | mithro | wtf 3000EUR? |
| 23:16.53 | mithro | how much does it cost to get to Sydney? |
| 23:17.03 | Lo-Down | where are you flying from? |
| 23:17.30 | Lo-Down | oh hell ya...I am king... |
| 23:17.44 | Lo-Down | i'm working on adding WPA support to the at76c503a driver.. |
| 23:18.00 | Lo-Down | and I finally got it to spit out the wpa_ie...which is the first of many steps... |
| 23:18.10 | Lo-Down | but as this is my first major programming challenge ever... |
| 23:18.17 | Lo-Down | this first step is damn good |
| 23:19.58 | RP | mickeyl: For me it'd be £5,518 :) |
| 23:21.14 | mithro | RP: what about just to Sydney? |
| 23:21.14 | RP | That's about 8,200EUR! |
| 23:22.44 | RP | mithro: £1,400 which makes me wonder about this website's sanity... |
| 23:24.12 | RP | the trip is about 36 hours :-/ |
| 23:25.46 | mithro | well i can get you from sydney to Dunedin for like $400 AUS |
| 23:26.14 | RP | mithro: I guess its trying to get all the flights to connect though |
| 23:27.07 | mithro | how much is 1,400 in EURO? |
| 23:27.36 | RP | 2000EUR ish |
| 23:28.54 | mithro | okay |
| 23:29.13 | mithro | i'm guess it's going to be about 2000EUR for anyone around europe |
| 23:30.18 | RP | I'm a bit off the major air routes - would have to fly to London before going anywhere so yes, as long as they're near a major international airport, that'd be about right |
| 23:30.54 | *** join/#oe bipolar (n=bipolar@66.216.151.39.dynamic.dejazzd.com) |
| 23:41.28 | RP | mithro: I'd guess so. Its also where I'm heading ;-). 'night |
| 23:43.40 | mithro | have a good night |
| 23:45.32 | mithro | so mickeyl, any chance you'll pop-up to the Linux Kongress? |
