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| 00:07.08 | sgm | Time to go to sleep! |
| 00:07.55 | sgm | good night all! |
| 00:09.37 | JustinP | night |
| 00:20.49 | dan2003 | is it possible to get any debug info out of qpe without recompiling with the debug option set? |
| 00:35.45 | JustinP | probably not |
| 00:36.03 | JustinP | you might be able to get a coredump of some kind.... |
| 00:36.06 | JustinP | why, what's wrong? |
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| 00:45.55 | JustinP | wow...this is really a pitiful diff.... |
| 00:45.55 | JustinP | but it works, so.... |
| 00:50.16 | JustinP | now....where do I post bitbake patches.... |
| 00:53.19 | dan2003 | JustinP, it justs seems to die with no explanation as to why |
| 00:53.59 | dan2003 | if i do qpe after its says going into deaomn mode, nothing happens, ps -A reveals its not running |
| 00:56.55 | JustinP | what if you start it not in daemon mode? |
| 00:57.07 | dan2003 | how do i do that? |
| 00:58.09 | JustinP | qpe --help |
| 00:58.14 | dan2003 | woops, i didi a passwd and it wont except my passwd for login now! think i should have shut it down cleanly! |
| 00:58.40 | dan2003 | sure i tried that and it just tried to start as usual, will try it on the other one |
| 00:58.53 | JustinP | probably --nodaemon |
| 00:59.22 | dan2003 | --help has no effect |
| 01:00.24 | dan2003 | maybe alin in the config file would do it, |
| 01:01.34 | dan2003 | oh well, ill carry on in the morning, need some sleep , cya |
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| 08:01.03 | RP | morning all |
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| 10:33.46 | CIA-10 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8296491e... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh40.bb: handhelds-pxa 2.4.19-hh40: lower default preference |
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| 11:11.59 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 11:12.34 | eJumbo | hi all |
| 11:13.13 | eJumbo | (OffTopic) - i am trying to map a device memory into my process data space - has anyone done that before ? |
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| 11:48.33 | lardman | RP: ping |
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| 11:50.44 | ZonE-HaKin9 | \adfk |
| 11:51.46 | lardman | mickeyl: ping |
| 11:56.30 | RP | lardman: pong |
| 11:57.17 | lardman | RP: I am seeing charging/power issues |
| 11:57.34 | lardman | RP: With your kernel, not my cpufreq patched one that is |
| 11:57.51 | lardman | RP: I was just wondering whether they had all been fixed, etc. |
| 11:59.23 | RP | What kind of issues? |
| 12:01.15 | lardman | not very methodical, but this is what I saw: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/cpufreq/power_issues.txt |
| 12:01.28 | lardman | I just noted it down on a bit of paper I had handy |
| 12:02.53 | lardman | The crux of it is that the LED has to be on for it to be charging (no matter what sys info reckons it's doing), and it looks like it underestimates the amount it has charged; perhaps... |
| 12:04.21 | RP | Yes, the LED needs to be on for it to be charging |
| 12:04.35 | RP | The sysfs file should reflect that. If it doesn't, its a bug |
| 12:04.46 | RP | Don't confuse AC in with charging though |
| 12:04.56 | RP | ACIN != charging |
| 12:04.58 | lardman | Yes, I'm not sure how GPE decides to tell the sys info applet, etc. that it is charging |
| 12:05.26 | lardman | Yes, I understand that, though in that case, perhaps it's the logic which decides when to start charging (i.e. what battery level) |
| 12:05.31 | RP | I suspect GPE associates ACIN with Charging which is wrong |
| 12:05.39 | lardman | I'll look into that |
| 12:06.09 | lardman | I suppose another possibility is that my battery is knackered, but I can't see why it would be as it has been working fine |
| 12:06.47 | RP | lardman: The Charge_Full interrupt the devices use is a bit strange and I'm not convinced it works right either |
| 12:07.02 | RP | How recent is your kernel? |
| 12:07.27 | lardman | I built it straight after you added the fix to the machine recognition the other day |
| 12:07.40 | RP | Not much has changed since then... |
| 12:07.43 | lardman | so R19 iirc |
| 12:09.08 | RP | I suspect our battery voltage reading and percentage reporting is just badly wrong |
| 12:09.31 | RP | You battery will be fully charged. The test would be to see how long it lasts, ignoring the strange percentages |
| 12:10.06 | lardman | Ah, okay, do you have a battery percentage recording script somewhere, so I can grab the percentages too (for interest's sake)? |
| 12:10.29 | RP | hrw had one... |
| 12:10.47 | lardman | I was writing one to run in octave so I could make the cpu do something to test cpufreq |
| 12:11.22 | RP | lardman: if you turn on the msglevel parameter in /sys/devices/xxx/corgi-pm you will get a log to syslog |
| 12:11.29 | RP | echo 2 to it |
| 12:11.45 | lardman | cool |
| 12:12.51 | lardman | Now to see how/whether GPE performs any power management, and if so, how to switch it off |
| 12:15.34 | RP | Someone really needs to spend time figuring out how to reliably read the battery voltage and how to convert it into an accurate percentage. |
| 12:15.42 | RP | The problem is its a time sink |
| 12:16.20 | lardman | I'd be interested to look into it, but will be busy until thre end of the year finishing up my PhD. I'll try to take a look though (as a break ;) ) |
| 12:17.29 | lardman | My Z reckons it has 8% battery now; and wifi is up and running, I'll see how long it lasts |
| 12:18.56 | lardman | the msglevel thing only writes when the level changes? Or every x minutes? |
| 12:20.06 | lardman | Damn power management, it's turning the backlight off because it thinks it has low power, I'll have to try to ssh in so I can see if it's still alive |
| 12:25.21 | RP | lardman: I'd love to know why the battery readings are so wrong... |
| 12:26.48 | lardman | RP: me too :) |
| 12:27.15 | lardman | Is there any trick to getting usb network connection working with this kernel? |
| 12:27.31 | RP | modprobing the right modules I think |
| 12:27.37 | lardman | Ah, yes |
| 12:30.51 | lardman | Okay, I admit defeat, I can't find the module, any clues? |
| 12:32.01 | CIA-10 | 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r9fd3eb06... 10/packages/dbus/dbus-0.34/dbus-1.init: |
| 12:32.02 | CIA-10 | dbus-0.34: adapt init script to daemon name |
| 12:32.02 | CIA-10 | - /usr/bin/dbus-daemon-1 was changed to /usr/bin/dbus-daemon |
| 12:32.06 | CIA-10 | 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * ra41eb54a... 10/packages/avahi/avahi_0.2.bb: avahi-0.2: start avahi-daemon after dbus-daemon |
| 12:33.01 | RP | lardman: g_ether ? |
| 12:34.15 | lardman | RP: Hmm, I don't have one of those |
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| 12:37.05 | lardman | Which is not good as that means it wasn't included in gpe-image |
| 12:37.11 | RP | lardman: Looks like it doesn't make it into the images :-( |
| 12:37.20 | RP | It is called g_ether |
| 12:37.34 | RP | but isn't on my device either |
| 12:37.36 | lardman | yep, I'm just trying to wget it from my feed |
| 12:38.39 | lardman | one more random thing I'm having happen - my Z just locks up, the whole thing, including including the hw power key, then it will wake up after 30 sec or so (and immediately suspend if I'd pressed the hw on/off key) |
| 12:39.23 | RP | When does it just lock up? Under which circumstances? |
| 12:40.19 | RP | The fact it suspends suggests interrupts are getting processed but the scheduler is locked |
| 12:40.20 | lardman | none in particular - I was using vi last night and it just locked up, then today it's done it twice since I've been talking to you - while I tas typing 'ifconfig usb0' and typing 'wget ...' |
| 12:40.44 | RP | I don't see it here... |
| 12:40.57 | lardman | wouldn't the interrupt cause it to suspend straight away though? not wait until it becomes functional again? |
| 12:41.12 | RP | No. It gets fed through the input system |
| 12:41.22 | RP | and userspace thinking about it |
| 12:41.35 | lardman | right |
| 12:42.07 | RP | Which wifi card? |
| 12:42.13 | RP | and does it happen without wifi? |
| 12:42.27 | CIA-10 | 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r06168994... 10/packages/avahi/avahi_0.2.bb: avahi-0.2: avahi system user creation fix |
| 12:42.53 | lardman | wcf12, and it may just be with the card, I'll take it out in a minute and see if it happens again |
| 12:43.27 | lardman | In fact it also happens without the card as I was using vi on a file on /media/cf last night when it happened |
| 12:44.18 | RP | No idea then I'm afraid |
| 12:44.40 | lardman | that's fair enough |
| 12:44.59 | lardman | Looks like it's suspended - not sure if that was a pm or a battery dead thing, but I can't get it to come back on |
| 12:45.07 | RP | I feel like I'm slowly totally destroying the 2.6 kernel :-/ |
| 12:45.16 | lardman | :D |
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| 13:07.22 | snickl | Hi there |
| 13:08.09 | snickl | I'm playing with oe for the first time, trying to build a rootfs for a geodegx |
| 13:08.29 | lardman | what's that? |
| 13:08.59 | lardman | RP: where are the power related files? In arch/arm/mach-pxa? |
| 13:09.19 | snickl | "bitbake nano" dies on compiling glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0, function `pthread_initialize', undefined reference to `_res' plus some errno stuff... |
| 13:10.15 | lardman | snickl: No idea I'm afraid, you'll have to see if any of the old hands know anything |
| 13:10.19 | snickl | geodegx is a plain old half-i486/half-i586 PC |
| 13:10.53 | koen|train | with lots of integrated stuff |
| 13:11.20 | RP | lardman: yes, sharpsl_pm is the core, corgi_pm is the corgi specifics |
| 13:11.21 | lardman | koen|train: train? you have wifi trains over there>? |
| 13:11.29 | koen|train | no gprs |
| 13:11.49 | lardman | RP: cool. Is thare anyway of looking at the diffs, or has the move to monotone removed the history? |
| 13:12.19 | RP | lardman: They won't tell you anything. All the history is in my patch archive though |
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| 13:12.33 | RP | http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/ |
| 13:12.47 | koen|train | lardman: fwiw openembedded.bkbits.net is still up |
| 13:12.49 | lardman | RP: You based the numbers etc. on the original stuff from the 2.4.18 Sharp kernel? |
| 13:13.04 | RP | Before it became sharpsl_pm.patch it was known as corgi_power |
| 13:13.20 | RP | lardman: correct, although I have changed a lot of things now... |
| 13:13.34 | RP | including the power translation table which was a recent change |
| 13:13.42 | lardman | RP: :) that's why I was after the diffs, so I could understand more quickly |
| 13:14.09 | RP | lardman: They just say patch -rx replaced with patch -ry |
| 13:14.22 | lardman | RP: Okay |
| 13:19.10 | lardman | when running make menuconfig, what do I have to pass in addition of tell it the arch? -arch=pxa ? |
| 13:19.47 | RP | export ARCH=arm before running it |
| 13:19.53 | lardman | Thanks |
| 13:20.14 | RP | There are probably better ways to do it but I know that works... |
| 13:20.25 | snickl | google found my probem, but no solution unfortunately...: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/24/2490.html |
| 13:22.21 | lardman | http://sourceware.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2005-04/msg00096.html |
| 13:23.04 | lardman | A fair few hits searching for something like "undefined reference to `_h_errno' "; not sure if any of it will help mind you... |
| 13:27.41 | CIA-10 | 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * rec654721... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:27.41 | CIA-10 | ipaq-pxa270: updates to machine configuration and kernel defconfig |
| 13:27.41 | CIA-10 | - This closes bug #235. |
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| 13:40.09 | lardman | Does anyone here use Linux on a laptop? If so, do you use userspace cpufreq control, and if so, which of cpuspeed, cpufreqd or powernowd is recommended? |
| 13:40.11 | snickl | lardman: You hit bull's eye with that url! The redhat bugzilla has a lot to say on that issue, but it seems even glibc specialists bailed out on that :( The easy solution seems to be to disable TLS for non-NPTL build for machines < i686... |
| 13:40.36 | lardman | snickl: just luck, glad to have helped a bit |
| 13:40.45 | snickl | :) |
| 13:41.10 | lardman | please do add a bug to the bugtracker though, with a link to the url etc., just in case someone else comes across it |
| 13:41.28 | snickl | ack |
| 13:41.41 | lardman | actually, I don't know where bugs for your device would go, but it would be good to make a note somewhere anyway |
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| 13:42.16 | koen|train | geodegx is a AMD thing, right? |
| 13:46.59 | CIA-10 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r796b9972... 10/packages/qt/ (3 files): qt/x11: add qt-x11-free-4.0.1 and make it work |
| 13:47.56 | snickl | koen|train: I remember "national (semi) geode", but it's possible that AMD bought it since then. |
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| 14:30.58 | CIA-10 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rcbbc5114... 10/packages/sqlite/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added sqlite 3.2.5 |
| 14:36.25 | lardman | Time for a WinXP reboot, bbiam |
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| 15:10.55 | CIA-10 | 03ph5 07org.oe.dev * r0e8a4fab... 10/packages/x11/ (files/errordb-keysymdb-path-fix.patch x11_cvs.bb): |
| 15:10.55 | CIA-10 | x11-cvs: make libx11 look for XErrorDB and XKeysymDB in the right place |
| 15:10.55 | CIA-10 | - This closes bug #292. |
| 15:19.18 | lardman | Can anyone see anything in particular which is wrong with this patch? (all but the new file get rejected for some reason): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/cpufreq/cpufreq.patch |
| 15:20.09 | lardman | I think it must be something to do with the format of the single file multi-patch, or something like that - I copied the individual patches which I created into the one file based on another one I found which worked |
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| 15:41.56 | hrw | hi |
| 15:42.13 | hrw | ~seen hrw|gone |
| 15:42.18 | ibot | hrw|gone <n=hrw@host-ip170-158.crowley.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 7h 43m 15s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 15:42.55 | hrw | ~thx |
| 15:42.56 | ibot | np |
| 15:43.01 | hrw | ~np |
| 15:43.02 | ibot | [np] \"no problem\", or \"null pointer\", or \"no pants\", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or \"Now Playing\", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 15:46.43 | lardman | hrw: do you have a battery power tracking script handy? |
| 15:48.01 | hrw | lardman: what script? |
| 15:48.20 | hrw | lardman: I used "logread -f>/media/cf/battery.log" |
| 15:49.57 | lardman | hrw: oh, I thought you had whipped up a special one |
| 15:50.11 | hrw | no |
| 15:50.30 | hrw | RP made all work with kernel output parsing |
| 15:50.49 | lardman | okay |
| 15:51.56 | hrw | this was with kernel which gave all battery infos in dmesg |
| 15:52.13 | hrw | now I would rather log changes in /sys/*/batter_percentage |
| 15:53.11 | lardman | Onto a different topic... Is it possible to make patch more verbose so I can see why my patch is failing? |
| 15:53.26 | lardman | that is the patch running inside of bitbake |
| 15:55.21 | hrw | you use patcher or quilt? |
| 15:55.29 | hrw | quilt say where does patch fail |
| 15:56.17 | hrw | patcher does not |
| 15:56.29 | lardman | probably patcher then, it just says that hunks have failed and which file |
| 15:57.09 | hrw | so its quilt |
| 15:57.21 | lardman | oh right |
| 15:57.30 | hrw | it cant tell more as it use patch which give exactly that info |
| 15:57.49 | lardman | I'm an idiot |
| 15:58.13 | lardman | it was bloody notepad adding LF and I forgot to run dos2unix |
| 15:58.27 | lardman | (serves me right for trying to use Windows I suppose) |
| 15:58.31 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:58.41 | lardman | Odd though, the error message gave no hint that that was the problem |
| 15:58.42 | hrw | use normal editor under windows then |
| 15:58.59 | lardman | even Wordpad tends to add them as they're the default |
| 15:59.00 | hrw | ConText, Crimson Editor, GVim |
| 15:59.24 | lardman | I may go back to using vi via ssh... ;) |
| 15:59.37 | hrw | use gvim under windows :) |
| 16:00.15 | lardman | RP: you still about? |
| 16:00.35 | lardman | hrw: have you seen any more power/charging issues with your c860? |
| 16:01.35 | hrw | not currently - but didnt tested 2.6.13-mm1-r1 yet |
| 16:01.43 | lardman | RP: I wanted to ask about whether altering the CPU speed will break things - like the LCD, CF, etc. |
| 16:01.53 | hrw | currently I have 2.6.13-rc6-mm2-r20 on my husky |
| 16:01.55 | lardman | hrw: I'm still on 2.6.12-rc5-mm1 |
| 16:02.11 | lardman | same here, but I've got all sorts of problems with the battery charging |
| 16:03.07 | lardman | hrw: If you're not seeing any issues, I may have to check and see whether my battery has died all of a sudden - any ideas which contact is which on it? |
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| 16:04.46 | hrw | its: +,test,- but I forgot from which side (reverse then in nokia phones) |
| 16:05.13 | lardman | that's okay, as long as it's the outer two my voltmeter won't care |
| 16:05.30 | hrw | check oesf anyway |
| 16:05.32 | lardman | Actually, it probably says it on the battery doesn't it now that I come to think about it |
| 16:10.32 | hrw | cu |
| 16:37.29 | RP | lardman: I would expect to see issues with CF, LCD |
| 16:37.52 | RP | Well, CF. THe LCD should be ok as I think the w100 clock is independent |
| 16:44.10 | lardman | Yeah, I just saw the comment at the top of the patch I applied (which applied and had built successfully I hasten to add) |
| 16:44.53 | lardman | How much work would it be to sort the CF (and SD if needs be) timing out? |
| 16:48.33 | RP | Someone had started to add cpufreq hooks to the code if I remember rightly |
| 16:48.55 | RP | Have you tried the cpufreq patch? |
| 16:49.13 | lardman | I've not tested the kernel yet |
| 17:03.25 | lardman | time to go shopping, bye all |
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| 17:28.10 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:28.21 | mickeyl | ok, i think i've got the hinge problem |
| 17:28.32 | mickeyl | ~lart QPEApplication hiding qDebug |
| 17:36.14 | Disconnect | btw.. corsair.. the makefile is so bad its amusing. one of the 40-odd main.o dependencies lines: "main.o: /opt/Qtopia/include/qcursor.h /opt/Qtopia/include/qfont.h" .. mixed in with a bunch of host-system headers.. sigh. |
| 17:36.33 | kergoth | egad |
| 17:36.44 | Disconnect | (and yes, if I get it working I'll be submitting the .bb to you and a new makefile to the author) |
| 17:36.59 | Disconnect | does that for every .o he builds. |
| 17:37.29 | kergoth | is that generated from a qmake/tmake .pro or something? |
| 17:37.37 | Disconnect | 300-line makefile, of which 270 lines or so are devoted to being brain damaged. |
| 17:38.02 | Disconnect | dunno where he genned it, but its right out of sf cvs.. |
| 17:38.27 | kergoth | i mean, is there a .pro in the tree next to the makefile? :P |
| 17:38.48 | Disconnect | and the install forces you to put the sdk in /opt/Qtopia etc.. |
| 17:38.49 | Disconnect | nope |
| 17:39.57 | Disconnect | is there a trick to building qt2 apps in OE btw? can't seem to get it finding arm-linux/qt2/include :( |
| 17:40.15 | kergoth | theres probably a .bbclass you should inherit |
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| 17:47.20 | mickeyl | inherit qmake |
| 17:48.28 | RP | mickeyl: I noticed the hinge code didn't seem to be working. Since I fixed the touchscreen, I can rotate but not automatically |
| 17:48.43 | RP | I gave up trying to get qDebug to work :-( |
| 17:49.04 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:49.12 | mickeyl | it's simple |
| 17:49.26 | mickeyl | just submit QT_DEBUG or remove three lines in QPEApplication |
| 17:50.40 | RP | I tried that and it still didn't seem to do anything. I probably miscompiled or something... |
| 17:50.47 | mickeyl | anyway, I'm fixing the hinge issue as we speak... |
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| 17:52.32 | RP | mickeyl: excellent :) |
| 17:53.39 | Disconnect | mickeyl: thanks. |
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| 17:57.26 | mickeyl | RP: fix commited in opie HEAD. only thing to rebuild is libopiecore2 |
| 18:06.28 | RP | mickey|shower: Ok, thanks :) |
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| 18:48.52 | Loial | waves |
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| 22:37.30 | emte | anyone know of gps and/or altimeter hw that works with any OE setup? |
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