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| 00:39.35 | CIA-2 | 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rc32f13bd... 10/packages/linux/linux-netvista_2.4.27.bb: Update kernel bb a little bit. |
| 00:59.40 | CIA-2 | 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r669fa4df... 10/packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.79.bb: Add new release of gpe-login. |
| 00:59.48 | CIA-2 | 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0f025031... 10/packages/minilite/minilite_0.49.bb: Add new release of minilite supporting the Nokia 770. |
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| 02:06.38 | JustinP | mickeyl: would your new mount -obind scheme allow root to be umounted on shutdown/reboot? or at least allow it to be remounted ro? |
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| 08:56.46 | RP | morning all |
| 08:57.25 | rwhitby | g'day RP |
| 09:02.51 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:02.56 | RP | morning koen |
| 09:06.18 | koen | hey RP |
| 09:06.32 | rwhitby | g'day koen |
| 09:06.52 | rwhitby | koen: we've been hitting your tinderbox for the past 9 hours: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/cgi-bin//tinder.cgi?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuild&start-time=1122692411&display-hours=48 |
| 09:08.24 | koen | lots o' green |
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| 10:15.39 | Twiun | Good morning folks |
| 10:16.12 | koen | hey Twiun |
| 10:16.51 | RP | morning Twiun |
| 10:21.28 | JustinP | ugh....early morning...I haven't gone to bed yet |
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| 10:39.34 | florian | hi all |
| 10:41.08 | florian | hrw|gone: Is it possible that you forgot to check in ipkg.inc? |
| 10:44.12 | zecke | mithro: could you check if you've my USB wlan dongle? |
| 10:47.45 | zecke | mithro: nevermind... |
| 10:52.11 | CoreDump|home | moin |
| 10:55.29 | rwhitby | zecke: I want to replace www.oesources.org with sources.nslu2-linux.org (or at least put that one after oesources) in base.bbclass - is it possible to do that in the nslu2.conf file, and can you tell me the correct syntax ? |
| 10:56.55 | zecke | rwhitby: you can set CVS_TARBALL_STASH to sources.nslu2-linux.org |
| 10:57.04 | zecke | rwhitby: and I will look for the other mirrors as well |
| 10:57.07 | zecke | wait a second please |
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| 11:01.49 | zecke | man stupid GNOME... you can not log in twice with the same username |
| 11:01.58 | zecke | the second time you lack theming... |
| 11:02.15 | mithro | zecke: nope i don't :P |
| 11:03.14 | zecke | rwhitby: either copy the base.bbclass and change the last two lines |
| 11:03.28 | zecke | rwhitby: or try overriding MIRRORS() in your local.conf |
| 11:04.30 | zecke | rwhitby: MIRRORS_prepend could work |
| 11:04.37 | zecke | rwhitby: PREMIRRORS_prepend as well |
| 11:06.33 | zecke | mithro: I looked on my desk, went downstairs, came back and it was right next to my laptop |
| 11:06.58 | mithro | zecke: he he |
| 11:24.10 | rwhitby | zecke: thx, I will try MIRRORS_append (found it in nylon-mirrors.bbclass) |
| 11:28.10 | rwhitby | zecke: added the following to nslu2.conf: |
| 11:28.21 | rwhitby | CVS_TARBALL_STASH = "http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/" |
| 11:28.21 | rwhitby | MIRRORS_append () { |
| 11:28.21 | rwhitby | ftp://.*/.*/ http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/ |
| 11:28.21 | rwhitby | http://.*/.*/ http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/ |
| 11:28.21 | rwhitby | } |
| 11:36.51 | zecke | rwhitby: it will probably use oesources.org anyway |
| 11:37.19 | rwhitby | for most things, yes. but we sometimes have nslu2-linux specific files that you don't host cause you don't build them |
| 11:38.17 | CIA-2 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r2bd677fe... 10/conf/machine/nslu2.conf: Added sources.nslu2-linux.org to nslu2.conf for CVS_TARBALL_STASH and MIRRORS_append. |
| 11:50.56 | CIA-2 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r009ad2eb... 10/ (classes/nslu2-mirrors.bbclass conf/machine/nslu2.conf): Changed nslu2 mirrors to use INHERIT and a .bbclass file instead. |
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| 11:57.51 | zecke | rwhitby: that sounds better |
| 11:58.16 | rwhitby | works better too :-) |
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| 12:03.24 | florian | bbl |
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| 12:08.25 | rwhitby | zecke: we're looking at how to create a perl-modules.ipk which rdepends on all the 850 or so perl module ipks so that someone can install *all* of perl with two ipks. |
| 12:09.00 | zecke | rwhitby: I need the same from do_split_packages :} |
| 12:09.20 | zecke | rwhitby: you could do it now with some python magic, but better would be to extend do_split_packages |
| 12:10.36 | rwhitby | so we want do_split_packages to somehow do something with a list of all the split up packages which are emitted. |
| 12:11.59 | DaKa2 | one problem for doing that is perl.inc uses do_split_packages three times and creates some overlapping packages that never get created (because they are empty), so RDEPENDS = ${PACKAGES} gets the not created packages too... |
| 12:14.18 | rwhitby | so should do_split_packages determine which packages are going to be empty, and leave them out of the PACKAGES list that it creates? |
| 12:16.28 | rwhitby | DaKa2: would that solve the problem? |
| 12:16.34 | DaKa2 | in the perl case do_split_packages cannot know what packages will be empty, because that's found when things are actually copied to install/ later |
| 12:16.57 | rwhitby | ah, right. hmmm. |
| 12:17.19 | DaKa2 | but if you could get a list of the packages to be created before they are created... dunno how though.. |
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| 12:17.58 | rwhitby | DaKa2: I didn't understand your last statement |
| 12:18.59 | DaKa2 | well, if you can get a list of the packages with files in install/_package-name_ right before do_package actually packages the ipkgs |
| 12:19.44 | DaKa2 | then you could slip in a perl-modules package with the actually created packages there |
| 12:30.06 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: if populate_packages would create a list of packages it copied some files info... it would help if I knew python :) I cannot really say I understand 100% of package.bbclass and package_ipk.bbclass |
| 12:30.43 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: a meta package with the created modules hardcoded looks better and better |
| 12:33.32 | rwhitby | Don't want to do hardcoded. |
| 12:37.24 | DaKa2 | well, then someone have to figure out a way to do this :) Everything seems to end up in modifying some .bbclass, or writing lots of python |
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| 12:49.14 | CIA-2 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r3471c6c7... 10/packages/linux/ (nslu2-kernel_2.6.12.2.bb openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig): Added INPUT_EVDEV and USB_KBD modules to OpenSlug kernel |
| 12:54.14 | rwhitby | DaKa2: so package_ipk.bbclass adds do_package_ipk to the end of PACKAGEFUNCS. We need to insert a task just before that which adds a new perl-modules package to PACKAGES |
| 12:54.48 | rwhitby | let's see where we can do that ... |
| 12:55.25 | rwhitby | anywhere after populate_packages would be fine |
| 12:55.37 | zecke | rwhitby: do you call do_split_packages? |
| 12:55.42 | zecke | rwhitby: why not afterwards? |
| 12:56.20 | rwhitby | zecke: in the perl case do_split_packages cannot know what packages will be empty, because that's found when things are actually copied to install in populate_packages |
| 12:56.44 | rwhitby | (re DaKa2's reply earlier) |
| 12:57.12 | rwhitby | [21:41] DaKa2: one problem for doing that is perl.inc uses do_split_packages three times and creates some overlapping packages that never get created (because they are empty), so RDEPENDS = ${PACKAGES} gets the not created packages too... |
| 12:58.26 | rwhitby | we could perhaps just say ALLOW_EMPTY=1 in perl.inc, and have it create *all* packages (including maybe a hundred empty ones) and put them all as RDEPENDS for perl-modules |
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| 13:08.46 | rwhitby | DaKa2: is there a problem with the ALLOW_EMPTY approach ? |
| 13:09.08 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: no, not that I can see, 100 more packages is not that bad |
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| 13:13.05 | rwhitby | DaKa2: ok, we can do ALLOW_EMPTY_openslug = 1 and PACKAGES_append_openslug = "perl-modules" and then create the perl-modules package ? |
| 13:13.39 | rwhitby | i.e. just create the empty packages and perl-modules package for openslug and not any other OE distros ? |
| 13:13.58 | rwhitby | (assuming that other OE distros don't want 100 extra empty packages for perl) |
| 13:14.03 | DaKa2 | ah, good idea |
| 13:15.50 | DaKa2 | should I do that, test and upload? |
| 13:16.56 | zecke | hmm the quality of bug reports are decreasing |
| 13:18.06 | rwhitby | DaKa2: yeah |
| 13:19.15 | micropal | sorry for that zecke.. :P |
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| 13:24.00 | lamikr | Hi, has anybody else experienced gpe-login module related crashes recently? |
| 13:25.38 | lamikr | We have build the gpe-image for ipaq h6300 and are able to calibrate the toucschreen. (We have made own ts driver for h6300 that we have conf by setting some env variables in gpe-dm and by changing /etc/ts.conf) but after entering password and pressing ok in the gpe-login module the screen goes black for a while and after that the login-screen appears again. |
| 13:25.39 | lamikr | It seems that X is crashing somewhere.After login with ssh to dropbear, the dmesg displays some kind of "alignment trap" error in the gpe-login module.We have build gpe-image about one week ago by using cross-gcc coming with oe. (gcc 3.4.4 with TARGET_FPU="soft") |
| 14:17.58 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r5a8e09b9... 10/packages/at76c503a/ (at76c503a-modules/makefile.cc.patch at76c503a-modules_cvs.bb): Fix at76c503a crosscompile. Thanks to wrichter |
| 14:20.58 | CIA-2 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r09627713... 10/packages/ipkg/ (ipkg-native.inc ipkg.inc): added forgotten files to ipkg |
| 14:21.45 | rwhitby | zecke: koen: nslu2-linux tinderclient now runs from cron every 15 minutes and sends delta build information for OpenSlug and Unslung. |
| 14:22.19 | rwhitby | at some stage we will add in a build-from-scratch client too. |
| 14:22.39 | zecke | rwhitby: could I'm about to implement the timezone handling |
| 14:22.57 | rwhitby | Is there a way to stop the foo-image from building if nothing else has been built in that run ? |
| 14:26.35 | CIA-2 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r6c5534d0... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files): Upgrade to 2.6.13-rc3-mm3. Tweak some patches |
| 14:35.49 | koen | I saw a post on monotone-devel on how they are planning to speed things up a bit |
| 14:41.52 | rwhitby | Is it the [nostamp] stuff which makes images rebuild every time ? |
| 14:42.13 | koen | iirc, yes |
| 14:42.49 | rwhitby | is that behaviour easy to turn off? For the tinderbox delta builds, I'd like to only build the image if something which it depends on has changed. |
| 14:43.23 | koen | I think you can tune image.bbclass (if that exists) |
| 14:43.44 | rwhitby | yeah, I'm looking at rootfs_ipk.bbclass |
| 14:45.15 | rwhitby | Would a "do_rootfs[nostamp] = 0" and "do_build[nostamp] = 0" added to my openslug-image.bb make it act more like a normal package? |
| 14:45.41 | koen | I guess so |
| 14:46.17 | rwhitby | where is the [nostamp] stuff actually acted upon? |
| 14:47.06 | rwhitby | ah, I guess that's a core bitbake thing. |
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| 14:55.16 | zecke | rwhitby: right |
| 14:56.35 | koen | lamikr: try without the TARGET_FPU="soft" |
| 14:57.55 | koen | zecke: do you think you'll have the time to write a VC_monotone this month (august)? |
| 14:58.30 | zecke | yes |
| 14:58.45 | lamikr | koen: ok, I have tried to find out whether the arm925 has hardware floating point support or not. Some simple test apps have worked also with hardware fp, but as I have not found any good testsuite for confirming this, I have used soft-fp. But I will now try with hardware fp. |
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| 14:59.37 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.41 | zecke | pb_: hey |
| 14:59.48 | pb_ | zecke: hail |
| 14:59.57 | jbowler-away | packages/ipkg/ipkg.inc seems to have gone missing |
| 15:00.43 | DaKa2 | jbowler-away: "hrw org.oe.dev * r09627713... /packages/ipkg/ (ipkg-native.inc ipkg.inc): added forgotten files" ? |
| 15:01.13 | jbowler-away | Hum, maybe it hasn't been propagated to nslu2-linux |
| 15:04.00 | zecke | pb_: gcc-3.3.3 can not be compiled with gcc-4.0.1 :( |
| 15:04.46 | pb_ | zecke: yah, that sucks |
| 15:07.27 | zecke | pb_: why didn't you fix it yet ;) |
| 15:07.30 | zecke | just kiddin |
| 15:07.30 | zecke | g |
| 15:10.18 | koen | RP: does http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2005-July/030575.html give RMK more excuses to ignore you? ;) |
| 15:13.58 | koen | pb_: would this "two week merging spree" be benificial for upstreaming hh.org stuff? |
| 15:16.06 | pb_ | zecke: heh |
| 15:16.16 | pb_ | koen: dunno |
| 15:17.00 | zecke | couldn't these gcc folks test their compiler with gcc4 before releasing something?!... |
| 15:17.35 | zecke | Is anyone else seeing issues with libpng and versioned symbols? |
| 15:17.39 | rwhitby | koen: the way that I read http://lwn.net/Articles/144281/ is that you need to have your patches in subsystems well ahead of that, and the two weeks is for subsystem merges. |
| 15:18.24 | rwhitby | (first week for merging, then second week for bug fixes only) |
| 15:20.46 | koen | rwhitby: and now RMK is saying "I can't merge it soon", so I'm a bit confused |
| 15:21.09 | koen | but it could be RMK is referring to the future instead of the merging week |
| 15:21.52 | rwhitby | one would hope that RMK is referring to his ability to merge patches in his tree into Linus's tree. |
| 15:22.12 | rwhitby | (rather than his ability to accept patches at any time into his tree) |
| 15:22.31 | rwhitby | if not, then the new kernel development model will not succeed. |
| 15:26.53 | CIA-2 | 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r0ea2fa31... 10/packages/perl/perl_5.8.7.bb: On openslug create a package perl-modules depending on the 840+ other packages. |
| 15:28.12 | rwhitby | koen: we only put that perl change in for openslug, cause it creates many additional empty packages. we'll leave it up to you guys to decide for the other distros if the convenience of a single perl-modules.ipk outweighs the annoyance of many additional empty ipks. |
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| 15:31.15 | koen | rwhitby: I think we need to bribe someone to sort it into ~50 packages and put those in one meta-package |
| 15:31.29 | koen | rwhitby: so let's lock Larry Wall in a room with a copy of OE ;) |
| 15:31.46 | pb_ | rwhitby: why does it cause many empty packages? |
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| 15:32.54 | rwhitby | pb_: I'm not sure, but I think it's due to the do_split_packages in perl.inc creating overlapping packages that contain some of the same files (which can only end up in one package and not the other). |
| 15:33.57 | pb_ | rwhitby: that sounds a bit odd |
| 15:34.08 | pb_ | if do_split_packages is doing that, I imagine it would do it even without your change. |
| 15:34.22 | jbowler-away | zecke: libpng doesn't support versioned symbols... |
| 15:34.38 | zecke | jbowler-away: ? objdump says different here |
| 15:34.50 | zecke | jbowler-away: it is versioned with png12 at least on my ubuntu installation |
| 15:34.59 | rwhitby | pb_: yes, it was doing it well before our change. But our change was to ALLOW_EMPTY for OpenSlug only, so that we had a known set of RDEPENDS for the perl-modules ipk. |
| 15:35.12 | rwhitby | (so other distros don't see the empty packages) |
| 15:36.29 | jbowler-away | zecke: then I believe that is something ubuntu did - so far as I can remember no one ever got it to work in the official PNG code. |
| 15:37.26 | rwhitby | pb_: e.g. archlibdir, 'auto/(.*)/ (the first do_split_packages) and archlibdir, '(.*)\.(pm|pl)' (the third do_split_packages) are overlapping regexps, and there are files which will be matched by both. |
| 15:38.02 | jbowler-away | I guess it's possible just to add a global version to all the symbols in the DLL - but part of the problem is that the DLL exports symbols which are not in the interface (i.e. are internal). |
| 15:38.37 | pb_ | rwhitby: ah, right, I see. |
| 15:38.52 | pb_ | rwhitby: maybe you could use RRECOMMENDS, not RDEPENDS, and avoid the ALLOW_EMPTY thing. |
| 15:38.56 | rwhitby | hmm - actually scratch that - the auto dir should not have .pm or .pls in it. |
| 15:38.56 | zecke | jbowler-away: right for example using a linker script... |
| 15:39.27 | rwhitby | pb_: hmm - so recommends will install anything it can find, but ignore things it can't find? |
| 15:39.37 | pb_ | right |
| 15:39.46 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: its the second and third that overlaps, iirc |
| 15:39.55 | pb_ | also, recommends will allow the user to manually uninstall some of the recommended packages. |
| 15:40.37 | pb_ | obviously it'd be even better to eliminate the empty packages altogether, but if that's a lot of work I wouldn't bother. |
| 15:41.14 | jbowler-away | zecke: I started writing a linker script to cause the internal symbols to be dropped, but gave up - it seemed very specific to one operating system/compiler combination. (That's why I say the official code, 1.2.8, doesn't support versioning). |
| 15:41.40 | rwhitby | DaKa2: can we try rrecommends? |
| 15:41.45 | DaKa2 | pb_: RRECOMMENDS was considered, but that will cause 85 warnings of missing packages, dunno what is worse though.. 85 empty packages, or 85 warnings.. |
| 15:42.09 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: of couse, that was one of my first suggestions |
| 15:42.41 | rwhitby | DaKa2: sorry about that, it's late here :-) |
| 15:43.06 | DaKa2 | :) what do you think, 85 warnings or 85 empty packages? |
| 15:43.47 | rwhitby | I would go for the warnings, then there is an incentive for someone to fix it when they are reminded of it every time they install perl ... |
| 15:44.14 | rwhitby | and then we could remove the _openslug restriction and put it in for all distros |
| 15:44.38 | DaKa2 | yep.. |
| 15:45.04 | rwhitby | and have a much wider base of developers get annoyed enough to fix it :-) |
| 15:45.27 | DaKa2 | haha :) |
| 15:46.28 | rwhitby | isn't that what open source is all about? put something out which is useful, but just annoying enough so that others fix it for you .... |
| 15:47.59 | DaKa2 | yep :) usually works too, might just take a while |
| 15:49.00 | rwhitby | only took 8 months for the nslu2-linux community to solve the problem which I bought my slugs for ... |
| 15:51.56 | zecke | any python hacker around? |
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| 15:58.55 | zecke | rwhitby-asleep: ping? |
| 16:06.26 | RP | koen: This will be rmk's latest excuse, yes |
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| 16:06.57 | RP | He won't merge anything into his tree unless its in the two weeks now. In fact, if he closes the patch system outside of that, it wouldn't surprise me... |
| 16:07.52 | zecke | hehe |
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| 16:11.57 | mithro | well i'm off to Stockholm now |
| 16:12.40 | RP | mithro: Flying or train? |
| 16:12.44 | RP | or boat? |
| 16:13.29 | zecke | mithro: hey |
| 16:16.57 | zecke | rwhitby-asleep: ping |
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| 16:40.04 | chouimat | hi |
| 16:41.05 | koen | hey chouimat |
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| 16:56.53 | XorA | morning |
| 16:57.37 | koen | hey XorA |
| 16:59.15 | zecke | where did libipkg go? |
| 17:05.53 | pb_ | I stole it. |
| 17:06.37 | CoreDump|home | ~lart opie-qss |
| 17:09.18 | RP | hi XorA |
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| 17:15.06 | gerwinin | hey guys I got already pretty much reactions on the oe-meeting |
| 17:15.30 | gerwinin | Would you guys mind if there will be some companies as well ? |
| 17:15.38 | gerwinin | Which attend the meeting |
| 17:16.03 | pb_ | entire companies? it sounds like that might get a little crowded. |
| 17:16.58 | RP | oe-meeting? Have I missed something? |
| 17:17.17 | gerwinin | Yes I sent a mail to the mailinglist |
| 17:17.29 | gerwinin | RP the meeting will be in the netherlands |
| 17:18.09 | gerwinin | No I was thinking to invite some hardware manufacturers and ask them to donate hardware |
| 17:18.40 | RP | Ah, I missed that email with all the bugzilla stuff :) |
| 17:19.12 | gerwinin | RP are you close to the Netherlands ? |
| 17:19.33 | RP | gerwinin: Depends if you call North East UK close :) |
| 17:19.57 | gerwinin | It is in the south in Eindhoven |
| 17:20.19 | gerwinin | RP there is a ryanair from London to Eindhoven |
| 17:20.49 | RP | gerwinin: I'm not near London ;-) |
| 17:21.04 | gerwinin | :( |
| 17:21.26 | gerwinin | RP maybe I can arrange that we have a videoconference connection |
| 17:22.51 | RP | I'm just seeing how much it'd cost to get there... |
| 17:23.26 | gerwinin | Okay as it looks now it will be the 4th week of august |
| 17:23.47 | gerwinin | Do I need to arrange a place to sleep for you ? |
| 17:24.45 | epronk | anyone here works with openwrt build with oe? |
| 17:25.26 | gerwinin | RP my email is gerwinin@hotmail.com |
| 17:25.27 | RP | gerwinin: I doubt I'll be able to make is sadly. If I could have found a direct flight it might have been an option but I can't :-( |
| 17:25.48 | gerwinin | RP I will try to arrange a videoconference for you |
| 17:26.43 | zecke | re |
| 17:26.54 | gerwinin | hey zecje |
| 17:26.58 | gerwinin | Zecke |
| 17:27.19 | zecke | gerwinin: I think it is most important to get mickeyl, florian/nilsf and pb_ to join |
| 17:27.31 | gerwinin | Zecke: I will try to invite some boardvendors as well and ask if they donate boards |
| 17:27.32 | zecke | gerwinin: I think koen will easly drop by |
| 17:27.45 | gerwinin | Zecke: Where is MickeyL located ? |
| 17:28.03 | gerwinin | And Florian ? |
| 17:28.24 | zecke | gerwinin: Frankfurt (mickeyl) |
| 17:28.32 | zecke | gerwinin: Siegen (Florian/Nils) |
| 17:29.08 | koen | I'm planning to drop by |
| 17:29.12 | gerwinin | Zecke: That is in Germany that is not too far away |
| 17:29.22 | zecke | gerwinin: right |
| 17:29.47 | zecke | gerwinin: I've accomodation in Eindhoven for free, how would we arrange that for others? |
| 17:29.55 | gerwinin | Zecke: I will set up videoconference for people that are not able to come for various purposes |
| 17:30.16 | gerwinin | Zecke: I have a very small house but still 4-6 people can sleep there |
| 17:31.08 | gerwinin | Zecke: I will ask a bit arround with friends my friends Jeroen and Jean-Paul (which are using openembedded as well) to accomodate some people |
| 17:31.45 | gerwinin | Zecke: I think I can provide accomodation for about 15 people |
| 17:32.15 | zecke | wow |
| 17:32.28 | zecke | we should set up a small wiki page? |
| 17:32.37 | gerwinin | Zecke: That is okay |
| 17:32.43 | zecke | Location? How to come there? Where to stay? What topic we want to talk about? |
| 17:33.10 | gerwinin | Zecke: Good idea |
| 17:33.19 | XorA | gerwinin: Id love to come, but Im already going to DNScon in 2 weeks and cant afford to fly |
| 17:33.40 | gerwinin | Xora : You can join in with videoconference |
| 17:33.48 | XorA | gerwinin: that would be cool |
| 17:33.53 | XorA | anyway friends arrive |
| 17:34.51 | gerwinin | Zecke: Shall I make a wiki for manufacturers how to get their board supported ? |
| 17:35.37 | gerwinin | Zecke: I noticed that especially in asia a lot of manufacturers want to use oe but they don't know how to and who to contact |
| 17:35.40 | zecke | gerwinin: why not, oe.handhelds.org -> Wiki |
| 17:37.30 | zecke | gerwinin: right we need to define a lot of processes for OE |
| 17:37.38 | CIA-2 | 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r652a4835... 10/packages/perl/perl_5.8.7.bb: |
| 17:37.38 | CIA-2 | Remove previuos change and create package perl-modules that recommends all the |
| 17:37.38 | CIA-2 | other 859 packages. Unfourtanly also recommends 86 packages packages that |
| 17:37.38 | CIA-2 | doesn't get created, so some warning messages gets displayed on ipkg install. |
| 17:38.12 | gerwinin | Zecke: Yes , the more boards + processors we support the better and the bigger oe will get |
| 17:38.27 | zecke | quality musn't suffer though |
| 17:40.01 | gerwinin | Zecke: Yes agree |
| 17:41.14 | zecke | pb_: any news on CELF? |
| 17:44.43 | gerwinin | Zecke: should I send my page first to oe-staff for approval ? |
| 17:45.04 | zecke | no just create it, it is a wiki anyway |
| 17:49.59 | gerwinin | Zecke : Okay |
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| 17:54.49 | pb_ | zecke: no, just continued delinquency on my part |
| 17:59.15 | koen | is CELF the same as EABI? |
| 17:59.27 | pb_ | no |
| 17:59.35 | pb_ | EABI is an ABI. CELF is a group of people. |
| 17:59.45 | koen | ok |
| 18:00.09 | koen | do the celf people have something to do with ABIs? |
| 18:00.20 | pb_ | not really |
| 18:00.38 | zecke | koen: CELF has hardly to do with anything |
| 18:00.55 | zecke | koen: I think even TT is part of CELF nowadays *showder* |
| 18:01.16 | pb_ | yah, TI have been part of CELF for ages |
| 18:01.30 | zecke | pb_: TI != TT (hopefully) |
| 18:01.51 | pb_ | oh, whoops |
| 18:01.59 | zecke | why do TZ handling always sucks... |
| 18:02.32 | koen | ah, celf are the linux on a toaster guys |
| 18:04.10 | RP | What was the interest with CELF if you don't mind me asking? |
| 18:04.32 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.01 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.07 | koen | woohoo! |
| 18:05.27 | koen | zecke: will they supply is with free toasters? |
| 18:05.28 | zecke | koen: flashed GPE on your slice of bread? |
| 18:05.52 | koen | zecke: no, too much fluff |
| 18:06.00 | zecke | did I say too much? I do not know anything |
| 18:06.02 | RP | zecke: That would be interesting... |
| 18:06.26 | zecke | and CELF is pretty 'big'. You ask something today you will get it withing +- three years ;) |
| 18:06.35 | koen | gerwinin: you aren't working for Philips, by any chance? |
| 18:08.00 | zecke | pb_: do you think it is possible for you to come? |
| 18:09.41 | pb_ | zecke: anything is possible for me |
| 18:09.53 | pb_ | I have Super Cow Powers. |
| 18:10.20 | gerwinin | Koen: No I am not I am working currently for bulltech and for Star |
| 18:10.35 | gerwinin | Koen : Do you need something from philips ? |
| 18:10.55 | koen | gerwinin: no, just curious :) |
| 18:11.00 | gerwinin | Koen: They are my neighbours :) |
| 18:11.27 | gerwinin | Koen: Philips is using the montavista stuff |
| 18:12.59 | koen | philips' career day was pretty funny |
| 18:13.54 | gerwinin | Koen: What happened ? |
| 18:14.09 | koen | gerwinin: lots of stupid mistakes |
| 18:14.25 | koen | like wiring up the dvd recorder the wrong way |
| 18:14.57 | koen | a non working bluetooth demo, etc... |
| 18:15.05 | koen | the SACD demo was pretty cool |
| 18:15.35 | koen | and their IDE for ICs and software was amazing |
| 18:16.14 | gerwinin | Koen : the most stupid mistake they made lately was that they were rallying in favour of software patents and than they asked on tv to the ceo of philips how many software patents philips had and the answer was 0 :) |
| 18:17.31 | koen | heh |
| 18:17.50 | gerwinin | Koen: Some things they have are pretty cool I know about it, we developed on time a pbx together with them but the problem is that they didn't understand opensource yet |
| 18:18.11 | epronk | sw patents do not exist, so the only think he could say is 0 :-) |
| 18:18.45 | gerwinin | Epronk : hapilly not the law for that got voted out |
| 18:19.21 | epronk | Big companies like Philips like things to stay the way it is now |
| 18:19.36 | gerwinin | Epronk are you in holland as well ? |
| 18:19.41 | epronk | yes |
| 18:19.53 | gerwinin | We are organising an oe meeting in Eindhoven |
| 18:20.01 | epronk | cool |
| 18:20.08 | gerwinin | Would you like to come as well ? |
| 18:20.23 | epronk | sure |
| 18:20.33 | gerwinin | Where you located in Holland ? |
| 18:20.45 | epronk | Eindhoven |
| 18:20.50 | gerwinin | hehehehe me too |
| 18:21.08 | gerwinin | My house is at the montgomerylaan :) woensel |
| 18:21.23 | epronk | i also live in woensel :) |
| 18:21.42 | gerwinin | What are you working on now ? |
| 18:22.45 | gerwinin | That is fun :) it seems eindhoven has a high density of oe |
| 18:22.52 | zecke | gerwinin: do you got a map of Eindhoven? |
| 18:23.00 | epronk | I'm working for PTS Software and currently at Philips Research |
| 18:23.15 | epronk | i have a map |
| 18:24.04 | epronk | how many are from ehv then? |
| 18:24.04 | gerwinin | Zecke: Yes and epronk as well |
| 18:24.22 | gerwinin | Me, Epronk, Jean-Paul |
| 18:24.29 | gerwinin | That I already know from |
| 18:24.35 | gerwinin | The guys from enosig |
| 18:25.30 | gerwinin | So I think there are arround 10 people from Eindhoven |
| 18:25.36 | zecke | hehe |
| 18:25.42 | epronk | giel also |
| 18:26.26 | gerwinin | Cool shall we put Stratums Eind in the programm as well epronk ? |
| 18:26.42 | epronk | sure |
| 18:26.57 | epronk | already have a date in mind? |
| 18:27.14 | gerwinin | The fourth week of august seems to be the most approriate |
| 18:27.40 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rff41830a... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added nano |
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| 18:28.49 | epronk | just make a page on the oe wiki so people can put their name if they want to join |
| 18:29.03 | gerwinin | epronk cool |
| 18:29.52 | gerwinin | I am going to do that tonight |
| 18:30.31 | gerwinin | The lama's will be on soon |
| 18:30.40 | epronk | i'm currently trying to use oe for openwrt |
| 18:30.53 | epronk | can't find any info on the openwrt pages on oe |
| 18:31.22 | epronk | but, there is support for wrt in the oe tree |
| 18:32.04 | NAiL | epronk: have you asked the guys in #wrt54g? |
| 18:32.27 | epronk | not yet, will try there |
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| 18:34.35 | epronk | oops |
| 18:46.26 | zecke | yeah my crappy tz data should work now... |
| 18:48.40 | NAiL | zecke: hmm? tz stuff? |
| 18:48.55 | NAiL | got anything to do with that recent commit of mine? |
| 18:53.46 | zecke | NAiL: no, tinderclient.bbclass |
| 18:53.51 | NAiL | aha |
| 19:05.42 | emte | bye bye bbread |
| 19:06.29 | zecke | emte: welcome bitbake -e |
| 19:06.57 | emte | so someone finally fixed the python hyphen issue then? |
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| 19:08.13 | emte | you know zecke i cant help my self ... i read your name as folgers .... the cheap coffee brand :( |
| 19:08.41 | zecke | emte: what hyphen issue? |
| 19:08.43 | emte | just to let you know i am sorry about that |
| 19:08.54 | emte | oh python doesnt like hyphens |
| 19:08.59 | emte | chockes on em |
| 19:09.05 | emte | chokes* |
| 19:09.47 | emte | or was it hyphens ... pretty sure it was ... |
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| 19:17.13 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * ra06f8ca7... 10/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Set the feeds correctly again |
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| 19:19.50 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * rf0e0882a... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: disapproval of revision 5fbbe1c75e9bf5533a85c833ed875f3ceb27e7be |
| 19:20.12 | kergoth | epronk: the plan was to add all the packages for openwrt that werent yet in oe to oe, and the wrt kernel, then work with the openwrt folks on a possible migration from their buildroot to oe. but that never really happened.. i never got the kernel in and happy, and i dont know of anyone else who picked it up |
| 19:20.46 | NAiL | wasn't there complaints that building openwrt with oe would be "too big"? |
| 19:20.58 | NAiL | It was a long time, so I don't remember exactly ;-) |
| 19:21.18 | kergoth | i never heard any. i talked to the openwrt devs about it. they were willing to consider it for the same reasons i created oe. buildroot has too high a maintainance load, and doesnt scale well enough. |
| 19:21.37 | kergoth | that complaint has been heard before, but i dont think from that particular project |
| 19:22.47 | zecke | kergoth: hey |
| 19:28.18 | koen|tv | zecke: another successfull build in the tinderbox! |
| 19:28.26 | zecke | koen|tv: you need to update your local.conf again |
| 19:28.43 | koen|tv | what do I have to add? |
| 19:29.38 | zecke | who messed with my tinderclient :} |
| 19:31.46 | koen|tv | evil gnomes |
| 19:33.29 | koen|tv | zecke: do I have to add TINDER_TZ ? |
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| 19:35.41 | zecke | koen|tv: For now yes |
| 19:35.54 | zecke | koen|tv: either set it to Europe/Berlin or +0200 |
| 19:36.33 | koen|tv | TINDER_TV = "+0200" |
| 19:36.39 | koen|tv | aaargh |
| 19:36.53 | koen|tv | TINDER_TZ = "+0200" |
| 19:37.14 | koen|tv | that will show up in the next build |
| 19:37.23 | koen|tv | in ~4 hours |
| 19:37.42 | zecke | koen|tv: no problem. you need a new tinderclient.bbclass anyway ;) |
| 19:37.55 | koen|tv | it updates every hour |
| 19:37.56 | zecke | koen|tv: also either update bitbake soon, or set TINDER_START |
| 19:38.02 | koen|tv | and the tinderscripts rsyncs it over |
| 19:38.17 | koen|tv | bitbake is also updated every hour |
| 19:38.42 | koen|tv | zecke: does it make sense to have the client send the bitbake version and 'monotone head' ? |
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| 19:41.32 | koen|tv | zecke: hows the bugzilla integration working out? |
| 19:41.43 | koen|tv | I see that tinderbox-oe is the default QA now |
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| 19:52.28 | zecke | koen|tv: dunno. I think I need to register tb-2@gmx.net ;) |
| 19:52.46 | zecke | wow I can not mount any cd's... |
| 19:52.51 | zecke | udev did not create dc, hdd |
| 19:57.46 | zecke | koen|tv: if we feed bug reports to process_bugs it should magically work |
| 19:58.05 | zecke | koen|tv: either gmx is not sending mails or our procmailrc needs updating |
| 20:00.58 | koen|tv | From www-data@tinman.treke.net Sat Jul 30 00:42:52 2005 |
| 20:00.58 | koen|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.58 | koen|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.10 | zecke | koen|tv: updating of procmailrc is needed |
| 20:01.20 | zecke | koen|tv: throwout process_builds anyway |
| 20:01.32 | zecke | koen|tv: feed mails with [Bug in it to both bitbake and tinderbox |
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