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| 07:03.20 | koen | good morning all |
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| 07:43.48 | Luke-Jr | koen: morning |
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| 07:44.48 | koen | hey Luke-Jr |
| 07:44.50 | koen | moin zecke |
| 07:45.52 | hrw|work | hi |
| 07:45.58 | koen | hey hrw|work |
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| 07:52.24 | zecke | morsche |
| 07:52.54 | koen | porsche! |
| 07:54.10 | zecke | koen: now if you would work at Ximian you would have a Porsche by now |
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| 07:54.17 | Securez | Hello |
| 07:54.20 | koen | aaargh |
| 07:54.23 | koen | hey Securez |
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| 07:54.49 | Securez | anybody had used osloader.exe to boot linux from winCE or know any place where i can download it? |
| 07:54.55 | koen | zecke: but I would be required to say 'mono' every 5 sentences |
| 07:55.16 | zecke | koen: and "anyway" |
| 07:55.30 | koen | anyway, mono rocks |
| 07:55.54 | koen | </miguel mode> |
| 07:56.01 | hrw|work | Securez: hh.org? |
| 07:56.17 | zecke | Securez: not haret? |
| 07:56.42 | Securez | yes i read in hh.org that is posible with osloader |
| 07:56.53 | Securez | but i can't find how i can download it |
| 07:58.10 | RP | morning all |
| 07:58.27 | koen | hey RP |
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| 07:59.46 | XorA | morning |
| 08:05.20 | Securez | now i'm read haret docs, can i boot linux from wince |
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| 08:08.23 | Securez | ?? |
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| 08:09.04 | koen | Securez: yes you can |
| 08:18.18 | zecke | anyway maemo must feature Mono |
| 08:18.30 | zecke | Nokia should by the Novell Mono Desktop license... |
| 08:19.17 | zecke | ARM Ltd should license the Mono core technology from Novell to build accelerated and secure Mono executors... |
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| 08:21.22 | hrw|work | hmm.. I have to decide which DE I will use tomorrow.. opie or gpe.. |
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| 08:21.54 | zecke | hrw|work: maemo |
| 08:22.09 | hrw|work | ;))) |
| 08:22.34 | hrw|work | will it sucks less? |
| 08:22.55 | hrw|work | ~dict spealer |
| 08:23.02 | zecke | hrw|work: does that imply something currently sucks? |
| 08:23.04 | hrw|work | ~spell spealer |
| 08:23.25 | hrw|work | zecke: each DE sucks - some sucks more, some less |
| 08:24.04 | zecke | hrw|work: what particular? |
| 08:24.05 | hrw|work | its like email clients.. 'all email clients suxx, mutt just suxx less. mutt suxx less, but still suxx' (mutt-ng homepage) |
| 08:25.30 | hrw|work | zecke: in gpe most of apps is QVGA sized, some things are not changeable without tweaking in files (font in applauncher) - but I like how fast it rotate... but why after rotate taskbar is not on bottom? |
| 08:26.46 | XorA | hrw|work: there an option to pass to matchbox-panel to change that |
| 08:26.59 | XorA | hrw|work: it can do opie style rotate as well |
| 08:26.59 | hrw|work | opie have more apps now, windows can be clsoed using Cancel button but datebook does not give infos in month view |
| 08:27.21 | hrw|work | XorA: I just does not find it yet then |
| 08:27.46 | XorA | hrw|work: I played with that on pdaXrom |
| 08:28.14 | hrw|work | eh.. look&feel still does not like me ;( |
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| 08:29.52 | XorA | hrw|work: matchbox-panel --no-flip (If I remeber right) |
| 08:30.34 | hrw|work | XorA: currently I'm trying to use gpe like user |
| 08:30.36 | zecke | XorA: why are etsi standards written in such a crappy manner? |
| 08:31.29 | XorA | zecke: because no-one is brave enough to change them, and people like nokia block vote sensible changes out as it would mean updating their products/tests |
| 08:31.46 | zecke | n |
| 08:32.12 | XorA | oh and fun for security people, nokia are no longer bounds checking their products, have fun with those overflows :-) |
| 08:32.50 | zecke | XorA: we all know that not security in [ 'nokia', 'symbian'] |
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| 08:33.37 | XorA | zecke: they went as far as demanding that ETSI remove all extreme ranges from official ETSI test specs though :-D |
| 08:33.38 | zecke | sadly and ironically Windows Mobile 5 will be/is the most secure mainstream Operating System |
| 08:33.53 | zecke | XorA: lol |
| 08:34.12 | zecke | XorA: I've struggled yesterday implementing the Sim App Toolkit (GSM 11.10) |
| 08:35.04 | XorA | zecke: 11.blah I may know about, I wrote large chuncks of the Sim side of toolkit apps, and the 03.19 Java implementation |
| 08:35.32 | XorA | zecke: though Id have to dredge my memory back for 2 years ago |
| 08:35.46 | zecke | XorA: it was extremely hard to find any meaningfull values... |
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| 08:36.03 | hrw|work | hi Dirk |
| 08:36.18 | do13 | hi hrw|work |
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| 08:37.20 | XorA | zecke: 11.10? |
| 08:37.54 | zecke | XorA: yes inside the standard... all the information is so scattered |
| 08:38.21 | RP | do13: I've found a problem with 2.6.12-rc4-git1 onwards with xscale - rmk has broken it |
| 08:38.57 | do13 | RP: which problem? |
| 08:39.35 | RP | do13: Random segfaults, floating point errors, invalid instructions and general breakage |
| 08:40.04 | RP | do13: He removed the preempt locks on copypage which xscale dislikes |
| 08:40.21 | proti | morning. |
| 08:40.25 | XorA | zecke: youd need 11.14 to make sense of that spec |
| 08:40.25 | hrw|work | hi Seb |
| 08:41.20 | do13 | RP: Hmm. I recognized an similar problem with 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 (lot's of alignment traps). |
| 08:41.38 | proti | Hi marcin |
| 08:42.05 | RP | do13: Its the same problem and stems from 2.6.12-rc4-git1 |
| 08:42.16 | zecke | yeah I meant 11.14 |
| 08:42.22 | zecke | wasn't 11.10 for multiplexer stuff? |
| 08:42.34 | XorA | zecke: ah, yeah, that ones confusing, 03.19 clears up some stuff if you understand java |
| 08:43.05 | zecke | XorA: do you know how I can issue a Proactive Command to return to the main menu? |
| 08:43.05 | RP | do13: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/tempdiff1a.patch is the problematic part of the patch |
| 08:44.01 | XorA | zecke: you mean back to the phones list of applets? |
| 08:44.03 | do13 | RP: How did you found this? |
| 08:44.21 | RP | do13: Trial and error :-( |
| 08:44.53 | RP | do13: Rolling back versions until I found the patch the problems started from |
| 08:45.34 | pb_ | morning chaps |
| 08:45.54 | proti | bk support is going away at July 1st. Is there any plan to migrate the oe packages tree ? |
| 08:47.00 | zecke | proti: plans yes, but no capable scm is there yet |
| 08:47.19 | zecke | pb_: morning chief |
| 08:47.41 | zecke | XorA: - If the user has indicated the need to end the proactive SIM session, the ME shall send a TERMINAL |
| 08:47.44 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.50 | proti | zecke: So, what's the backup plan ? Is the 1st of july a hard limit ? |
| 08:47.51 | zecke | XorA: figure a meaning out of that |
| 08:47.57 | zecke | proti: yup |
| 08:48.06 | pb_ | zecke: heh, let's hope the SCM developers redouble their efforts in the next three weeks. |
| 08:48.17 | zecke | proti: anyway we get a cvs tree |
| 08:48.36 | zecke | proti: in the worst case we can run cvs2svn on it and have *eek* subversion... |
| 08:48.46 | zecke | proti: or cvs2monotone |
| 08:48.50 | koen | and use svk on our workstations |
| 08:48.54 | proti | zecke: Will the history & comment be preserved ? |
| 08:49.19 | zecke | proti: I hope so |
| 08:49.38 | zecke | proti: I wonder how he emulates moves + removes... |
| 08:50.02 | proti | To me, something will be lost in the move. |
| 08:50.13 | do13 | RP: Now you have a working kernel? |
| 08:50.23 | RP | Hmmm. rmk has now washed his hands of the pxa problem - "kernels are now too large for my lubbock so someone with a working pxa will have to debug this" |
| 08:50.36 | koen | hah |
| 08:50.40 | zecke | pb_: hehe |
| 08:50.42 | zecke | RP: hehe |
| 08:50.50 | koen | !ubbock = !supported |
| 08:50.51 | cdbot | koen: Dunno? |
| 08:50.51 | RP | do13: If you reverse the above patch, I suspect it will work |
| 08:51.09 | koen | !lubbock even |
| 08:51.09 | cdbot | koen: Dunno? |
| 08:51.11 | RP | do13: rmk sent me a patch. It doesn't work though |
| 08:51.16 | zecke | RP: most easies try? compile without prempt? |
| 08:51.29 | do13 | RP: Ok I will check this after work. |
| 08:51.33 | zecke | ~lart broken keyboards |
| 08:51.34 | RP | zecke: That will make it work. Its not the point though ;-) |
| 08:51.59 | zecke | RP: it would just confirm that the patch is indeed guilty? |
| 08:52.23 | RP | zecke: I've already done that - the above patch is what breaks things |
| 08:52.43 | RP | I just haven't tested whether reversing it fixes any of the later kernels |
| 08:52.48 | zecke | RP: does mmc/sd work with preempt nowadys? |
| 08:52.57 | RP | Reversing it fixes 2.6.12-rc4-git1... |
| 08:53.11 | RP | I've never run a none preempt kernel... |
| 08:53.34 | RP | (so yes) |
| 08:53.35 | zecke | RP: but you've an #error in mmcblock.c? |
| 08:53.57 | RP | zecke: I've never seen one... |
| 08:54.02 | zecke | I might be just confused |
| 08:55.04 | RP | I serisously doubt they'd have let the mmc driver in if the base code wasn't preempt/smp safe... |
| 08:57.55 | zecke | I must be stoned... |
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| 08:59.16 | XorA | zecke: bugger knows, our sim doesnt have a handler for that one :-) |
| 09:00.36 | do13 | RP: Why is 0.15rc1 the preferred version of the orinoco modules in a 2.6 image. 0.15rc1 doesn't compile with my tosa build. |
| 09:01.37 | RP | do13: It should compile and has done for me. If it doesn't it needs fixing |
| 09:02.09 | jacques | pb_, it seems our unslung/openslug builds want to use arm-csl compiler now, and that don't work so good for armeb |
| 09:02.31 | do13 | RP: Only 0.15rc2 compiles fine. |
| 09:02.49 | RP | do13: 0.15rc2 won't actually work |
| 09:03.11 | jacques | also, the ifupdown-spurious-environ.patch to busybox causes ifup to segfault on openslug now |
| 09:03.36 | RP | do13:When I find a spare minute I'll be trying to get 0.15rc2 working but I haven't had a chance recently |
| 09:03.46 | pb_ | jacques: ah, oh dear. What goes wrong with the csl compiler on armeb? |
| 09:04.36 | do13 | RP: Ok. Actually I do a new build from scratch. In one hour I'll post the error messages. |
| 09:04.39 | pb_ | jacques: can you tell what's causing the ifup segfault thing? |
| 09:04.48 | pb_ | (as in, what the patch is doing wrong) |
| 09:05.01 | jacques | pb_, ifup is a one line patch, it's removing something which apparently should not be removed in our case |
| 09:05.24 | jacques | beyond that I can't tell, since strace also seems to have been broken recently |
| 09:05.34 | jacques | for openslug |
| 09:05.37 | jacques | (it used to work) |
| 09:06.00 | jacques | -static char **environ = NULL; |
| 09:06.06 | jacques | that's all the ifup patch does |
| 09:06.22 | pb_ | yeah. I thought that ought to be pretty safe. |
| 09:06.38 | pb_ | but, well, evidently not. |
| 09:06.38 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:07.01 | pb_ | I'll back it out for the time being. |
| 09:07.08 | jacques | I'm trying to recall exactly what arm-csl did - oh yeah |
| 09:07.16 | jacques | give me a sec - I've got the error message |
| 09:07.45 | jacques | <jacques> /home/packages/oe/nslu2/bb_openslug_default/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/armeb-linux/3.4.4/../../../../armeb-linux/bin/ld: unrecognised emulation mode: armelf_linux |
| 09:07.45 | jacques | <jacques> Supported emulations: armelfb_linux armelfb |
| 09:08.14 | hrw|work | XorA: thx for --no-flip info |
| 09:08.38 | pb_ | jacques: hm, right, looks like csl-arm is missing some kind of armeb patch. |
| 09:08.40 | XorA | hrw|work: no probs, UI assume you have to have a custom session file? |
| 09:08.52 | jacques | pb_, AFAICT it's missing *all* the armeb patches |
| 09:08.59 | pb_ | jacques: ah. |
| 09:09.04 | jacques | which raises the question of what good it does for armeb |
| 09:09.13 | pb_ | wanna try applying the patches and see what happens? |
| 09:09.18 | hrw|work | XorA: not yet |
| 09:09.43 | jacques | pb_, ok, but it might have to be a bit later |
| 09:09.47 | pb_ | okay |
| 09:09.59 | pb_ | I'll turn off csl-arm for armeb for the time being |
| 09:10.09 | jacques | I just think arm-csl was never tested with armeb |
| 09:10.19 | jacques | heck, if it was, it wouldn't need armeb patches |
| 09:10.56 | jacques | everyone forgets about us poor armeb cousins |
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| 09:11.41 | pb_ | yeah, probably. |
| 09:11.45 | pb_ | who wrote the armeb patches for gcc? |
| 09:12.15 | pb_ | whoeever it was, you should get them to have the patches checked in to the gcc cvs tree. |
| 09:12.37 | jacques | yeah, I keep thinking they will be but they never are (checked in) |
| 09:12.58 | jacques | it's sad that even gcc4 needs the same patches gcc 3.3 did |
| 09:13.40 | jacques | I mean, these patches are everywhere, even in crosstool - why haven't then been checked in - I gotta think there's some reason other than nobody thought of it |
| 09:14.50 | jacques | it might be holgerschurig who wrote them |
| 09:16.25 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3520 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: disable ifupdown-spurious-environ patch due to segfaults on armeb |
| 09:16.30 | pb_ | afaik, it's just that nobody who can check them in knows anything about them. |
| 09:16.42 | pb_ | you need to find someone to champion those patches to the gcc folk. |
| 09:17.15 | jacques | are the armel patches being checked in as far as you know? |
| 09:17.22 | pb_ | yes |
| 09:17.34 | jacques | ok |
| 09:19.27 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3521 10openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc_csl-arm-20050603.bb: remove gcc_csl-arm preference on armeb |
| 09:19.59 | jacques | pb_, I noticed the gcc34-arm-ldm-peephole.patch changed between 3.4.3 and 3.4.4 and some of the differences look... strange to my untrained eyes |
| 09:20.11 | pb_ | which bit looked strange? |
| 09:20.12 | jacques | it's the only patch that changed size |
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| 09:20.56 | jacques | this for one: |
| 09:20.59 | jacques | > - && (val_diff == 4 || val_diff == -4)); |
| 09:20.59 | jacques | > + && (val_diff == 4 || val_diff == -4)) |
| 09:21.21 | hrw|work | hi schurig |
| 09:21.42 | jacques | oh I guess I need context on that |
| 09:21.47 | jacques | it's just a return statement |
| 09:22.02 | jacques | looks like a couple of return()'s had their trailing ; removed |
| 09:22.13 | pb_ | that does seem a bit odd |
| 09:22.24 | jacques | yeah |
| 09:22.37 | jacques | < - return (reg0 == reg1) && ((val1 - val0) == 4 || (val0 - val1) == 4); |
| 09:22.43 | schurig | hrw|work: hi ho! |
| 09:22.43 | jacques | < + return (reg0 == reg1) && ((val1 - val0) == 4 || (val0 - val1) == 4) |
| 09:22.47 | schurig | hrw|work: back from my baby pause |
| 09:23.05 | hrw|work | schurig: she sleep now? |
| 09:23.07 | schurig | hrw|work: Sarah Schurig, born on 25. May, 2880 gramm |
| 09:23.23 | schurig | hrw|work: sleep is fine, Sarah eats the last time at 1am, and then again at 8am |
| 09:23.32 | pb_ | jacques: ah, no. see, it's just adding another && term to that expression. |
| 09:23.32 | hrw|work | schurig: a... forgot to gratulate... Gratulations schurig |
| 09:23.33 | pb_ | - && (val_diff == 4 || val_diff == -4)); + && (val_diff == 4 || val_diff == -4)) |
| 09:23.33 | pb_ | + && (!arm_ld_sched || val0 == 0 || val1 == 0); |
| 09:23.42 | schurig | hrw|work: maybe she inherited that habit from her programmer father :-) |
| 09:23.52 | hrw|work | schurig: ;)) |
| 09:24.03 | hrw|work | schurig: keep coffee in safe place then |
| 09:24.07 | jacques | pb_, oh OK, I guess it really was validly changed then :-) |
| 09:24.40 | pb_ | yeah, it looks ok to me |
| 09:25.46 | jacques | thanks for making those changes to get us back building - I'll try moving some armeb patches to arm-csl later today |
| 09:26.59 | pb_ | good-o |
| 09:27.09 | pb_ | or, alternatively, you could try with gcc 4. |
| 09:27.34 | jacques | I've been unable to get an armeb soft-float toolchain built with gcc4 |
| 09:28.13 | jacques | do you think there are any advantages to gcc4 for arm right now? |
| 09:28.16 | pb_ | sorry, I meant you could try moving the patches to gcc 4. |
| 09:28.39 | pb_ | gcc 4 does have better MI optimisations than gcc 3. |
| 09:28.47 | jacques | MI ? |
| 09:30.51 | pb_ | machine independent |
| 09:33.18 | jacques | ah |
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| 09:39.55 | schurig | koen: and, how does scratchbox compare to BitBake/OE ? |
| 09:40.35 | koen | schurig: it doesn't |
| 09:40.48 | koen | scratchbox is a debugtool IMO |
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| 09:41.53 | koen | you can drop in a OE rootfs and debug some code |
| 09:42.12 | koen | and build apps with braindead buildsystems |
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| 09:51.05 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 09:57.01 | koen | hey ade|desk |
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| 10:05.56 | mickeyl | moring |
| 10:05.59 | mickeyl | morning, too |
| 10:06.10 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 10:07.01 | ascent | With opie-image, there's no linuxrc or startup.txt supplied, correct? |
| 10:08.41 | mickeyl | right. we use systemv init |
| 10:10.30 | ascent | Hm, so we should find another way to have dropbear start on default with our opie-image.. |
| 10:13.24 | mickeyl | another way? |
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| 10:13.37 | ascent | Well, on default, dropbear doesn't seem to start.. Or something else is wrong :) |
| 10:13.50 | mickeyl | the latter. |
| 10:13.59 | mickeyl | dropbear starts fine here |
| 10:14.10 | mickeyl | at least on an image built one week ago |
| 10:15.13 | ascent | Okay. Our image is a few days old, so probably the network itself that's down. |
| 10:19.44 | ascent | Ok, lets see how this init works, thanks sofar mickeyl :) |
| 10:23.38 | mickeyl | np |
| 10:24.41 | ascent | hm, default pass ain't rootme any longer? |
| 10:24.47 | mickeyl | it never was |
| 10:25.08 | ascent | Hm, so what should it be ? =) |
| 10:25.21 | mickeyl | on a release image you need to set one |
| 10:25.33 | mickeyl | open opie-console and issue passwd |
| 10:25.37 | mickeyl | then restart dropbear |
| 10:25.42 | mickeyl | and you should be able to log in |
| 10:25.48 | ascent | But the touchscreen doesn't work on default, and we can't ssh in :) |
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| 10:40.31 | mickeyl | ~netsplit |
| 10:40.32 | ibot | rumour has it, netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
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| 10:41.15 | koen | ~users |
| 10:41.16 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
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| 10:41.42 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3518.1.1 10openembedded/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: openzaurus-3.5.4: bump CVSDATE |
| 10:43.52 | hrw|work | mickeyl: opie changes? oz-3.5.4 |
| 10:44.08 | mickeyl | hrw|work: ? |
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| 10:44.42 | hrw|work | mickeyl: just curious does cvsdate bump is related to some opie changes |
| 10:45.06 | koen | or gnu-config :) |
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| 10:45.17 | mickeyl | hrw|work: aah. complete sentences are good :) no, I just felt the need to upgrade so that we don't get outdated. |
| 10:45.32 | mickeyl | only gradual things in Opie missing |
| 10:45.32 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 10:45.41 | mickeyl | although someone works on porting it to qt4/E |
| 10:45.45 | mickeyl | i'm not commenting on that though |
| 10:45.57 | koen | qt4/e? |
| 10:46.06 | koen | still going with the whole "we need fb access" routine? |
| 10:46.07 | hrw|work | I had to ask about it too... |
| 10:46.36 | mickeyl | dunno, i didn't look at the branch yet, but from the talk on the list it sounded like qt4/e |
| 10:46.39 | hrw|work | gpe has much faster rotate then opie has.. |
| 10:46.55 | mickeyl | bbl, lunch time |
| 10:47.06 | koen | good idea |
| 10:47.19 | XorA | bah, is an hour till my lunch :-( |
| 10:48.01 | hrw|work | I can go even now but I prefer >14:00 |
| 10:48.46 | XorA | sometime BST time sucks |
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| 11:03.08 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 11:09.52 | schurig | reenoo: moin moin :-) |
| 11:13.21 | koen | <cia> xserver-kdrive-omap_6.6.3.bb: tweak xserver-omap, courtesy Florian Boor</cia> |
| 11:14.13 | reenoo | moin schurig |
| 11:20.57 | do13 | pb_: modutils-cross_2.4.27.bb doesn't compile anymore. Could you do bk mv packages/modutils/modutils-2.4.27/gcc4.patch packages/modutils/files/ |
| 11:21.12 | hrw|work | fsck... something failed on my home system and I cannot get shell there ;( |
| 11:22.13 | XorA | hrw|work: I hate when that happens |
| 11:22.41 | hrw|work | XorA: I hate more things in linux |
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| 11:24.20 | XorA | hrw|work: though I hated blowing an ADSL filter more yesterday |
| 11:24.39 | schurig | do13: I will do this |
| 11:24.52 | do13 | thanks |
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| 11:26.05 | schurig | do13: bk push'ed |
| 11:27.29 | bluelightning | hi all |
| 11:27.48 | reenoo | hey bluelightning |
| 11:27.59 | bluelightning | hi reenoo |
| 11:28.09 | koen | hey bluelightning |
| 11:28.16 | RP | hi bluelightning |
| 11:28.30 | bluelightning | hi koen |
| 11:28.31 | bluelightning | hi RP |
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| 12:15.33 | hrw|work | hi offroadgee |
| 12:15.55 | offroadgeek_ | hi hrw |
| 12:18.42 | RP | hi offroadgeek_ |
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| 12:30.00 | gints|wrk | is bk clone bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/openembedded supposed to work? |
| 12:32.38 | ascent | That's what I do over here as well gints|wrk |
| 12:32.55 | gints|wrk | so no :( |
| 12:33.33 | ascent | What's not working ? |
| 12:33.41 | ascent | Tried it for the last time last week |
| 12:33.45 | gints|wrk | clone: cannot determine remote pathname |
| 12:34.26 | ascent | bk clone bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/openembedded |
| 12:34.31 | ascent | yup, same command |
| 12:37.56 | hrw|work | lunch time |
| 12:38.47 | mickeyl | bon appetit hrw |
| 12:40.03 | ascent | When I bitbake opie-image, does it default to tslib input layer? |
| 12:40.47 | mickeyl | that depends |
| 12:40.53 | mickeyl | read the qte bb |
| 12:40.58 | ascent | ah, qte, ok |
| 12:41.32 | ascent | DEPENDS = "zlib libpng jpeg tslib uicmoc-native" |
| 12:41.38 | ascent | My guess is yes, then ? |
| 12:42.15 | ascent | Lots of -DQT_QWS_TSLIB too |
| 12:42.37 | ascent | The problem is, cat /dev/input/event0 gives output when I touch the TS, but in opie, it doesn't respond |
| 12:42.41 | offroadgeek_ | hi RP (a little delayed) |
| 12:42.43 | ascent | I exported it using export TSLIB_TSDEVICE |
| 12:42.49 | ascent | But that doesn't help |
| 12:43.35 | mickeyl | any error messages on stdout? |
| 12:43.47 | ascent | Nope. Nothing :| |
| 12:44.07 | ascent | On another rootfs, it works, but I can't find the differences |
| 12:44.12 | ascent | ts.cofn is the same, tslib.sh too |
| 12:44.20 | ascent | 'set' gives the same exports |
| 12:44.23 | ascent | I'm puzzled. |
| 12:44.52 | ascent | So the only thing I can think of is opie not being 'compiled' for tslib, is that possible? |
| 12:45.25 | mickeyl | possible. you can check the compile log to make sure |
| 12:45.40 | gints|wrk | hey mickeyl |
| 12:46.48 | mickeyl | hi gints |
| 12:52.32 | Crofton_|laptop | ascent, I think there is another setting you need to make ... |
| 12:52.46 | ascent | crofton_|laptop: please, enlighten me :) |
| 12:52.47 | Crofton_|laptop | what machine are you on? |
| 12:52.49 | ascent | 2210 |
| 12:52.57 | Crofton_|laptop | hang on, let me check something |
| 12:53.00 | ascent | Thanks :) |
| 12:53.06 | ascent | because I am puzzled. |
| 12:53.57 | do13 | mickeyl: I teached libopie2 to use the tosa 2.6 backlight. Could you checkin this patch http://www.do13.in-berlin.de/openzaurus/temp/libopie2-tosa-lcd.patch |
| 12:54.01 | Crofton_|laptop | [balister@omap-devel omap5912osk]$ more tslib.sh |
| 12:54.01 | Crofton_|laptop | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:54.01 | Crofton_|laptop | export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 |
| 12:54.01 | Crofton_|laptop | export QWS_MOUSE_PROTO=TPanel |
| 12:54.21 | Crofton_|laptop | [balister@omap-devel omap5912osk]$ more ts.conf |
| 12:54.22 | Crofton_|laptop | module_raw input |
| 12:54.22 | Crofton_|laptop | module pthres pmin=1 |
| 12:54.22 | Crofton_|laptop | module variance delta=30 |
| 12:54.22 | Crofton_|laptop | module dejitter delta=100 |
| 12:54.22 | Crofton_|laptop | module linear |
| 12:54.34 | ascent | ts.conf is taken care of. The QWS_MOUSE_PROTO looks new to me, lets test |
| 12:54.41 | ascent | TSDEVICE is already set (to event0 in our case) |
| 12:54.50 | Crofton_|laptop | Yeah, that was the one that I had trouble finding out about :) |
| 12:54.55 | schurig | ascent: one is usually keyboard, the other touchscreen |
| 12:55.04 | schurig | ascent: but I don't know your hardware :-) |
| 12:55.17 | schurig | ascent: you can find out with hexdump </dev/input/event* :-) |
| 12:55.20 | ascent | well, catting event0 and touching the touchscreen gives output :) |
| 12:55.20 | ascent | so.. :) |
| 12:55.30 | Crofton_|laptop | yep, smae method I sued :) |
| 12:55.33 | koen | schurig: depends on the sequence of the modules |
| 12:55.38 | koen | hah |
| 12:55.39 | Crofton_|laptop | er used |
| 12:55.48 | koen | detect-stylus --device :) |
| 12:56.15 | gints|wrk | koen: remember you sugested me somthing to do when I tested my 2.6 kernel... |
| 12:56.21 | ascent | koen: in what ipkg is that program located? |
| 12:56.32 | gints|wrk | also was case that touchscreen does not worked... |
| 12:56.56 | schurig | koen: yeah, the best way would be to interatore over all /dev/input/eventX devices, and then use the exported input API frm Linux to find out if the device submits EV_ABS or EV_KEY events |
| 12:56.57 | koen | ascent: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=detect-stylus&official=&format= |
| 12:56.59 | ascent | Ok, let's test that out. |
| 12:57.11 | ascent | ah, gpe :) |
| 12:57.19 | koen | schurig: that's what detect-stylus does |
| 12:57.21 | ascent | but, using cat /dev/input/event0 is just as reliable, right? |
| 12:57.26 | schurig | ascent: yes, |
| 12:57.28 | ascent | good. |
| 12:57.41 | schurig | ascent: just use "hexdump" (from busybox), doesn't look so garbled ... |
| 12:57.52 | koen | remove the last 20 lines from detect-stylus.c to kill the X dep |
| 12:57.53 | ascent | heh :) |
| 12:58.20 | schurig | ascent: also, there are some test scripts in tslib-tests.ipk |
| 12:58.37 | schurig | s/scripts/programs/ |
| 12:58.37 | ascent | using ts_calibrate, calibrating works fine |
| 12:59.04 | Crofton_|laptop | The mouse proto var should do the trick for you |
| 12:59.17 | Crofton_|laptop | this sounds familiar to the path I took on the OSK |
| 13:00.12 | koen | :) |
| 13:00.12 | Crofton_|laptop | nokia 770 |
| 13:00.17 | mickeyl | road sk101 |
| 13:00.35 | schurig | (german word for Grandmother) :-) |
| 13:00.38 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:00.42 | koen | dutch too :) |
| 13:01.20 | ascent | QWS_MOUSE_PROTO=TPanel rules :) |
| 13:01.27 | ascent | But, how on earth should we have found that one :) |
| 13:01.51 | Crofton_|laptop | I forget who told me, but now three of us know the answer :) |
| 13:02.03 | ascent | Whee, topic it :) |
| 13:02.07 | Crofton_|laptop | Maybe I found it rooting through tslib machine files? |
| 13:02.09 | mickeyl | by reading the source |
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| 13:02.55 | Crofton_|laptop | lots of people know the TSLIB_DEVICE var, but fewer know the QWS one |
| 13:03.58 | koen | Crofton_|laptop: an omap2 even has 3d accell |
| 13:04.15 | koen | I wonder how well opengl ES works on that |
| 13:04.20 | Crofton_|laptop | heh, I need high speed USB and DSP combo |
| 13:04.41 | koen | the dsp is still the same as far I can see |
| 13:04.54 | ascent | Ok, sound now :) |
| 13:05.00 | Crofton_|laptop | I've heard rumours you may be able to get one with a "hotter" DSP |
| 13:05.33 | Crofton_|laptop | ok time to walk ver to school |
| 13:05.52 | koen | Just got back from it :) |
| 13:16.44 | ade|desk | rather a useful soc |
| 13:19.19 | koen | with a 440MHz dsp idct would fly |
| 13:19.24 | koen | and jpeg decoding too |
| 13:20.16 | hrw|work | ~lart subversion |
| 13:21.47 | wrobbie | ~google kamehameha wave |
| 13:22.03 | wrobbie | oh, that's useful.. |
| 13:23.58 | schurig | ascent: you should have found that by reading the source :-) |
| 13:24.29 | ascent | schurig: :) |
| 13:24.43 | ascent | Maybe the source also tells me why mmc is not writable yet :) |
| 13:25.49 | hrw|work | re |
| 13:26.55 | mickeyl | wb |
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| 13:37.28 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3526 10openembedded/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: need to call "initscript stop" in prerm, not postrm |
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| 13:41.52 | hrw|work | do we have ipkg .150? |
| 13:42.18 | koen | not yet |
| 13:44.23 | koen | aargh, bk messed up the trigger *again* |
| 13:47.29 | hrw|work | koen: what does not work? |
| 13:49.19 | koen | the trigger |
| 13:49.25 | koen | bk doesn't run the ciabot script |
| 13:49.53 | hrw|work | at home I have same problem - at work it works.. |
| 13:50.03 | hrw|work | atleast worked last week |
| 13:50.21 | koen | I usually fixed it with a bk co ciabot_.py |
| 13:54.03 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 13:54.14 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump |
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| 13:56.26 | CoreDump|home | hey hrw|work |
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| 15:11.18 | Arjan | hi people, can someone sync the oe repositories? I'm really waiting for that udev fix to get gpe running again :) |
| 15:11.36 | pb_ | can't you just pull from oe-devel? |
| 15:12.01 | pb_ | I think only kergoth and mickey have the privs to sync the repositories. |
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| 15:12.52 | Arjan | I'll try |
| 15:12.55 | Arjan | thanks |
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| 15:15.26 | jbowler | pb_: gcc_4.0.0 isn't building for NSLU2 because gmp isn't building mpfr and (anyway), even it it does the 4.0.0 build fails to find libmpfr.a in staging. |
| 15:15.54 | jbowler | I've temporarily DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_nslu2 = -1'ed it on nslu2-linux.bkbits.net |
| 15:16.45 | hrw|work | Arjan: you can copy permissions.rules from udev archive (etc/debian/udev/rules.d/permissions.rules iirc) to device |
| 15:16.54 | hrw|work | Arjan: thats what fix do |
| 15:17.48 | hrw|work | ok. time to go home |
| 15:17.52 | hrw|work | cu guys |
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| 15:23.06 | mithro | so where do people recommend going in europe? since i'll be over that way in less then 30 days now |
| 15:23.16 | koen | everywhere! |
| 15:24.32 | XorA | mithro: what parts of europe? |
| 15:24.37 | koen | you could do france -> italy -> austria -> germany -> denmark |
| 15:25.09 | jamesm | switzerland is nice this time of year |
| 15:26.06 | RP | mithro: Europe is quite a big place ;-) |
| 15:26.52 | XorA | RP: sssssh dont give it away that we dont all know the queen personally |
| 15:27.23 | mithro | well germany is a good start |
| 15:27.24 | ade|desk | i do |
| 15:27.26 | pb_ | jbowler: ah, that's very sad. |
| 15:28.32 | RP | XorA: Oh, you don't? :) |
| 15:29.02 | ade|desk | RP: had tea just the other day .. lovely lady |
| 15:29.16 | XorA | RP: amusingly my ex cousin in law was Prince Charles builder :-) |
| 15:29.24 | ade|desk | lol |
| 15:32.02 | ade|desk | XorA: i used to play rugby with william |
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| 15:37.55 | CP|Laptop | keturn: do we really need to put "rootfs" on the srec name? That long filename is a bear to type into yamon... :) |
| 15:39.37 | mithro | yay for bad night copy cat programs |
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| 15:59.20 | reenoo | re |
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| 16:22.33 | ascent | Default, in opie-image, there's no strace for instance. What's the preferred way to include strace in opie-image? Should I edit the bb file, change some variable? |
| 16:23.29 | treke | create a new bb based off opie-image |
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| 17:17.28 | treke | fun |
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| 17:17.49 | SirFred | Good evening. |
| 17:17.49 | treke | apparantly I've accumulated enough vacation time to take this month off |
| 17:18.11 | koen | hey SirFred |
| 17:18.20 | koen | treke: and are you going to do it? |
| 17:18.27 | SirFred | koen: Hi |
| 17:18.29 | treke | hehe no |
| 17:18.35 | treke | there's a reason I have that much time |
| 17:18.43 | treke | it's because I never take any :) |
| 17:22.02 | pb_ | treke: heh |
| 17:22.23 | treke | going to take one week |
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| 17:37.37 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... stupid prixy |
| 17:37.44 | CosmicPenguin | proxy even |
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| 17:54.12 | mithro | sooo close... |
| 17:54.27 | koen | yet so far away...... |
| 17:54.42 | mithro | well i can't figure out what i should make Vref for this DAC chip |
| 17:55.10 | koen | 3.3V? 5V? |
| 17:56.56 | mithro | well it appears that the output is Vref*(Input/0x1000) volts |
| 17:57.42 | koen | so it scale from 0 to vref |
| 17:57.57 | mithro | it is? |
| 17:58.15 | koen | input shouldn't exceed 0x1000 |
| 17:58.27 | koen | that should use up all bits |
| 17:58.56 | mithro | it goes from 0x000 to 0xFFC |
| 17:59.25 | koen | so it doesn't reach vref |
| 18:00.18 | mithro | gets to about 99%? |
| 18:00.23 | koen | vmax = vref * (0xffc/0x1000) |
| 18:00.43 | mithro | >>> 0xFFC*1.0/0x1000 |
| 18:00.43 | mithro | 0.9990234375 |
| 18:01.04 | koen | that's pretty much 100% :) |
| 18:01.08 | mithro | yeah |
| 18:02.13 | mithro | so i guess i set it to 5V |
| 18:02.15 | jbowler-away | pb_, koen: busybox builds fail, I believe because of the change to classes/update-rc.d.bbclass (the other instances of postrm need to become prerm, although what this does for all the bb files which define postrm I don't know) |
| 18:02.33 | koen | drat |
| 18:09.53 | koen | yeah |
| 18:09.58 | koen | on *dell* hardware |
| 18:10.04 | Luke-Jr | you've got to be kidding? |
| 18:10.13 | koen | dell is an anagram of crap |
| 18:10.25 | koen | jobs is demoing osx on a dell right now |
| 18:10.35 | mithro | koen: wtf? |
| 18:10.43 | treke | mithro: apple is moving to intel |
| 18:10.47 | Luke-Jr | mithro: Apple is using P4 for new Macs |
| 18:10.58 | SirFred | koen: You sure? |
| 18:10.58 | treke | first shipping units were scheduled for 06 iirc |
| 18:11.04 | Luke-Jr | koen: any idea where to get PPCs after Apple stops selling em? |
| 18:11.06 | koen | SirFred: yes |
| 18:11.14 | CosmicPenguin | Thats bad juju for us |
| 18:11.18 | treke | I dont think they said p4s for the new macs, just the demo machine |
| 18:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart intel |
| 18:11.21 | Luke-Jr | treke: $1000 dev boxes already, it seems |
| 18:11.31 | SirFred | koen: I thought that they're changing the micro. |
| 18:11.39 | Crofton_ | ~quote dell |
| 18:11.44 | Crofton_ | ~intc |
| 18:11.52 | treke | Luke-Jr: Yeah, but I think they're going to em64t by the time they ship things to consumers |
| 18:11.59 | mithro | why is apple moving to Intel? |
| 18:12.00 | SirFred | But that means that OSX is going to run on a x86 PC ? |
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| 18:12.16 | SirFred | mithro: They say they are angry with IBM. |
| 18:12.17 | treke | SirFred: it means that it will run on apple's pcs |
| 18:12.17 | koen | SirFred: it's doing right now onwwdc |
| 18:12.26 | treke | Luke-Jr: IBM |
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| 18:12.36 | SirFred | mithro: No 3Ghz chip, no G5 for laptops... |
| 18:12.40 | mithro | so Intel ??? |
| 18:12.52 | mithro | ie Intel just don't make X86 |
| 18:13.00 | SirFred | mithro: Perhaps IBM is too busy with Cells. |
| 18:13.11 | treke | mithro: No it's x86 right now |
| 18:13.18 | Luke-Jr | SirFred: IIRC, 2 of the new consoles are PPC-based... |
| 18:13.23 | SirFred | mithro: Yes, but koen says it's running on a p4. |
| 18:13.24 | treke | mithro: the slides are being shown from osx on a p4 |
| 18:13.31 | SirFred | Luke-Jr: Well, its a PPC core or something so. |
| 18:13.47 | Crofton_ | ~quote intc |
| 18:13.51 | Crofton_ | ~quote appl |
| 18:14.07 | SirFred | Luke-Jr: Anyway, it's a fact that they have no G5 running on laptops |
| 18:14.12 | treke | SirFred: doesnt mean there wont be one |
| 18:14.19 | Crofton_ | ~quote aapl |
| 18:14.21 | Luke-Jr | SirFred: Doesn't matter; the only use for Apple is PPC |
| 18:14.24 | treke | SirFred: There may well be one soon enough |
| 18:14.50 | SirFred | IBM is going to make more money with the Cell, I think. |
| 18:14.54 | Crofton_ | apparently the problem is ibm doesn't seem to care enough to keep up with intel |
| 18:15.02 | SirFred | So Apple is afraid to lost more "attention" from IBM. |
| 18:15.49 | SirFred | Well, I would like to have OSx on x86, just to play with it. But I think that will kill Apple. |
| 18:16.11 | Luke-Jr | I couldn't care less about OSX-- PPC, though... |
| 18:16.31 | treke | welcome to the minority |
| 18:17.07 | treke | most apple users don't have any clue why a ppc is good, just that it is because apple tells them so |
| 18:18.52 | SirFred | :) |
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| 18:22.54 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3529 10openembedded/packages/cairo/libsvg-cairo_20050601.bb: libsvg-cairo_20050601.bb: Add fixed cvs version of libsvg-cairo, since the cairo people seem to be incapable of releasing compatible snapshots |
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| 19:14.26 | hrw|tv | hmm.. what do you think about adding apps without any support from person which add it? I have some apps in hrw-packages |
| 19:15.33 | koen | hrw|tv: count all the apps without a MAINTAINER |
| 19:15.39 | koen | that's pretty much the same |
| 19:15.53 | hrw|tv | yep |
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| 19:27.50 | hrw|tv | have to check what apps are they |
| 19:28.29 | hrw|tv | hmm.. one is useless shopping via XML list app |
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| 19:35.32 | ascent | Hm, how should I generate an initrd file for the bootstrap image I have? |
| 19:39.38 | [cc]smart | bitbake cyrus-imapd always fails for me with: ld: cannot find -lnetsnmpagent |
| 19:40.15 | [cc]smart | it seems to search in whole system like: |
| 19:40.31 | [cc]smart | ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libnetsnmpagent.a when searching for -lnetsnmpagent |
| 19:40.36 | [cc]smart | what could be the reason ? |
| 19:40.55 | koen | it needs libnetsnmpagent.so |
| 19:41.48 | kergoth | the cyrus-imapd build is broken. its searching in /usr for libnetsnmpagent. a proper fix would be to disable netsnmpagent support via a configure option in the cyrus-imapd build, so it doesnt try to find it itself. |
| 19:41.51 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:42.03 | koen | gooooood morning kergoth |
| 19:42.26 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:42.42 | koen | kergoth: is the oe-devel->openembedded sync thing running on your box? |
| 19:43.09 | kergoth | not right now, had to wipe and reload the system |
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| 19:43.35 | koen | hey zecke |
| 19:44.14 | koen | kergoth: ok, now I can tell people the truth, instead of saying "somewhere between texas and minnesota" |
| 19:44.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:44.52 | kergoth | will set the cron job back up |
| 19:46.21 | hrw|tv | hi zecke |
| 19:50.03 | zecke | ~lart women |
| 19:50.16 | zecke | not that drastic |
| 19:50.51 | ascent | heh |
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| 20:00.21 | hrw|tv | zecke: she was bad woman... seek for better one.. |
| 20:00.57 | zecke | no seeking involved, she is currently just screwed |
| 20:01.05 | zecke | luckily she does not even know about irc... |
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| 20:05.02 | [cc]smart | excellent, seemed to work: --without-snmp |
| 20:05.55 | [cc]smart | if with snmp it doesn't compile for openembedded anyways, maybe this should be merged into the repository |
| 20:06.54 | kergoth | it should be |
| 20:07.49 | hrw|tv | looks like we should talk with hh.org and add John Lenz work on 2.6/poodle, collie into google summer code so he will work get something from it.. |
| 20:08.03 | [cc]smart | alltogether: openembedded, ntp, postfix and cyrus-imaod makes a good use-case. have been running postfix for a while now without ntp and imap proved quite stable. |
| 20:08.17 | zecke | hrw|tv: hmm |
| 20:08.22 | [cc]smart | will happily add ntp and cyrus now to see how it goes. |
| 20:08.57 | hrw|tv | zecke: his last mail on kernel-discuss, oz-devel |
| 20:09.09 | hrw|tv | and cc: erik Hovland and RP |
| 20:09.28 | [cc]smart | s/openembedded/openslug/ |
| 20:09.51 | [cc]smart | n8 all |
| 20:10.04 | koen | 'night [cc]smart |
| 20:10.07 | zecke | hrw|tv: I understand Summer of Code to atract new people |
| 20:10.09 | hrw|tv | n8 [cc]smart |
| 20:10.21 | zecke | new blood, new people from other projects to stop inbreeding |
| 20:10.23 | hrw|tv | zecke: new people too ofcourse |
| 20:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | spend a summer in somebody else's code, and you'll appreciate your own.. :) |
| 20:11.12 | zecke | hrw|tv: luckily I'm not a mentor :) |
| 20:11.21 | zecke | I couldn't decide what to give preference |
| 20:11.51 | hrw|tv | zecke: and it is good to have new people working on project(s). but as JL is a student and our only one collie/poodle kernel hacker so maybe someone will mentor him so he will get move inspiration to do the job |
| 20:12.17 | hrw|tv | zecke: atleast zaurus/PXA will get 2.6 |
| 20:12.36 | hrw|tv | I dont think that collie/2.6 will get usable |
| 20:16.07 | zecke | hrw|tv: I can fully understand that but I find it a bit selfish as well |
| 20:16.36 | zecke | but again I've to luckily not decide and rank such applications |
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| 20:20.31 | hrw|tv | will see how it will end |
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| 20:36.44 | zecke | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story48714.html |
| 20:37.28 | zecke | koen: now you can remove Ubuntu and use stable |
| 20:37.45 | treke | for a year |
| 20:38.09 | zecke | http://www.debian.org/ |
| 20:38.11 | zecke | wow |
| 20:38.29 | treke | if they start getting releases out on a 18 month basis, I'd switch back |
| 20:38.34 | hrw|tv | finally sarge? |
| 20:38.41 | treke | yup |
| 20:38.42 | koen | yep |
| 20:38.56 | hrw|tv | yYES... finally x.org in unstable... etc. |
| 20:39.34 | koen | zecke: I just got 3d working on my workstation (ugh, ati binary crap), so I'll stay with that for the moment |
| 20:39.44 | treke | ugh |
| 20:39.49 | treke | my laptop has that. ugly |
| 20:39.51 | hrw|tv | I use sid but too much packages from outside of debian... |
| 20:39.53 | reenoo | too bad sarge ships with bitrot already actually |
| 20:40.14 | treke | that is true for any distribution |
| 20:40.59 | reenoo | well.. what current distro ships with xfree 4.3? |
| 20:41.00 | hrw|tv | bi/m ibot dict bitrot |
| 20:41.30 | hrw|tv | reenoo: when xfree 4.3/debian was 4.3.... |
| 20:42.54 | reenoo | hrw|tv: I know a few patches have been merged/backported but it's still far from being X.org and doesn't work with many laptops in particular |
| 20:43.13 | reenoo | mine included (not well anyway) |
| 20:43.39 | hrw|tv | I have g400 in my desktop |
| 20:44.57 | koen | oooh, matrox g400 |
| 20:45.03 | koen | I have one in my server |
| 20:45.15 | koen | with a second hand rainbowrunner rrg |
| 20:47.08 | hrw|tv | I have it in my desktop since 2001 |
| 20:47.25 | hrw|tv | the worst g400 - single head 16M ram |
| 20:47.30 | mithro | dang |
| 20:47.34 | mithro | routing PCB is hard |
| 20:48.36 | koen | mithro: no shit :) |
| 20:48.45 | koen | hrw|tv: g400max :) |
| 20:49.10 | hrw|tv | koen: at work I have g450 |
| 20:49.32 | mithro | this auto-router could do with quite a bit of work |
| 20:49.37 | koen | that one is actually slower as a g400 max |
| 20:49.58 | hrw|tv | koen: g400,g450,g550 - all are fscking slow |
| 20:50.29 | koen | but awesome signal quality |
| 20:50.37 | hrw|tv | exactly |
| 20:51.04 | hrw|tv | I'm waiting with gfx card change until to the moment when my CRT will broke |
| 20:51.07 | koen | I gave my old IIyama to my girlfriend and I was amazed how bad that nvidia card was |
| 20:51.20 | koen | and the nvidia card was 3 years younger |
| 20:51.31 | hrw|tv | then lcd with DVI will require me to upgrade gfxcard |
| 21:02.10 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:09.20 | hrw|tv | someone want openttd? |
| 21:11.21 | zecke | railroad tycoon? |
| 21:15.00 | hrw|tv | yes |
| 21:15.02 | hrw|tv | just pushed |
| 21:15.19 | hrw|tv | transport tycoon to be exact |
| 21:16.56 | mithro | on the zaurus? |
| 21:17.37 | CosmicPenguin | How is it? |
| 21:17.56 | hrw|tv | 640x480 sdl |
| 21:17.59 | CosmicPenguin | fun? buggy? annoying? |
| 21:19.17 | mithro | hrm i seem to be making this PCB less routable |
| 21:19.47 | hrw|tv | dont know - it should work |
| 21:21.14 | hrw|tv | its one of things which I have on disk since dont know when |
| 21:25.17 | hrw|tv | CIA-4: added temtor 0.0.1 |
| 21:26.48 | zecke | http://www.wdr.de/cgi-bin/mkram?rtsp://ras01.wdr.de/rockpalast/rock_am_ring05/tocotronic.rm |
| 21:27.02 | zecke | good german music (actually most would not say it is good) |
| 21:27.38 | zecke | oops just one song :} |
| 21:29.22 | hrw|tv | my mplayer does not play 'realmedia' |
| 21:30.39 | hrw|tv | we have some stuff in nonworking which is also in pacakges/... |
| 21:34.25 | zecke | hrw|tv: let us remove it |
| 21:34.52 | hrw|tv | I'm just doing it |
| 21:36.39 | hrw|tv | removed: bash, centericq, glib-1.2, gtkmm, kaffe |
| 21:37.11 | zecke | hrw|tv: ppp?, pptp? |
| 21:37.35 | hrw|tv | w8... |
| 21:37.36 | zecke | OT: can anyone explain why notty and demand conflict with each other? |
| 21:37.43 | hrw|tv | I'm with m now |
| 21:39.01 | hrw|tv | zecke: I dont even know what are they |
| 21:41.52 | hrw|tv | ok. pushing |
| 21:42.11 | hrw|tv | takepatch: 70 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 64 files |
| 21:42.24 | hrw|tv | 1 hour hrw 1.3538 removed xfce from nonworking - we have working version |
| 21:42.24 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.24 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.24 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.24 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.26 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.29 | hrw|tv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.01 | ascent | lets pull |
| 21:43.35 | hrw|tv | night all |
| 21:44.34 | zecke | cya |
| 21:49.44 | mickeyl | hrw|gone: thanks for removing all those nonworking |
| 21:54.26 | zecke | mickeyl: oh Alice was seriously injured? |
| 21:54.38 | zecke | mickeyl: you we're forced to use your old US Robotics V.34 again? |
| 21:54.44 | mickeyl | zecke: yeah, i've been suffering total disconnection since 1st of june |
| 21:54.50 | zecke | mickeyl: you missed Tocotronic at Rock am Ring? |
| 21:54.51 | mickeyl | and - no - i don't have any modems or isdn cards again |
| 21:54.59 | mickeyl | s/again/left/ |
| 21:55.18 | zecke | mickeyl: couldn't you have cracked a WLAN? |
| 21:55.53 | zecke | Sarge is done. I can not believe it |
| 21:56.09 | mickeyl | zecke: i could've tried, but instead i decided to finish reading a book, playing my new 12th string, cleaning the home, unpacking presents from my birthday, and stuff |
| 21:56.23 | mickeyl | things where i have been fallen behind :) |
| 21:56.36 | mickeyl | yeah, that Sarge thing is unbelievable |
| 21:56.45 | zecke | mickeyl: did you wife cancel the DSL contract? |
| 21:56.48 | zecke | your even |
| 21:56.58 | mickeyl | zecke: hehe, not quite. |
| 21:57.11 | mickeyl | we have troubles, but she wouldn't go that far |
| 21:57.18 | zecke | mickeyl: OT: how does print >> f, "txt" work internally |
| 21:57.41 | mickeyl | zecke: iirc syntactic sugar for f.write( txt ) |
| 21:57.43 | zecke | mickeyl: I think she must hate TCP/IP |
| 21:57.44 | treke | schurig++ |
| 21:57.55 | zecke | treke: hehe |
| 21:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | The question now - is how many packages in sarge didn't even exist when woody was released? :) |
| 21:58.02 | zecke | and he did not name it 'holger' |
| 21:58.19 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: did GNOME exist when sarge was started ;) |
| 21:58.23 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:58.33 | treke | CosmicPenguin: or more importantly, how many packages in woody don't exist in sarge :) |
| 21:58.38 | CosmicPenguin | Its hard to tell - the gnome ftp site grows exponentially |
| 21:59.14 | reenoo | zecke: it did. in some ugly gtk1.2 based incarnation though |
| 21:59.25 | treke | actually I think woody had gnome 2 |
| 22:00.36 | reenoo | no |
| 22:00.44 | treke | still 1.4? |
| 22:00.47 | treke | thought it had 2.0 |
| 22:01.49 | reenoo | well.. the woody system next to me has 1.4 installed |
| 22:03.02 | treke | kde 2.2 and gnome 1.4 |
| 22:03.06 | treke | scary |
| 22:03.16 | treke | I dont think I've ever used kde 2 |
| 22:03.24 | treke | soooo old |
| 22:04.55 | reenoo | yah, woody was released in july 2002 IIRC and had been in freeze for a quite a while by then |
| 22:05.00 | zecke | let us hope the next stable is not too far ahead |
| 22:05.09 | reenoo | s/for a/for/ |
| 22:05.10 | zecke | maybe they should start now with redesigning the installer |
| 22:05.38 | zecke | I'm sure Joey will have a pleasant Linux Tag |
| 22:06.02 | mickeyl | zecke: will you be there? |
| 22:07.29 | zecke | probably yes |
| 22:07.39 | zecke | I'm feeling more secure these days |
| 22:07.52 | mickeyl | cool. drop me a note when you know details and I'll arrange to be there as well |
| 22:07.55 | zecke | I've sent an abstract to aKademy and hope to get an accepted speaker |
| 22:08.57 | mickeyl | oh i meant Karlsruhe |
| 22:09.12 | zecke | mickeyl: yupp, will be there |
| 22:09.18 | mickeyl | excellent. |
| 22:09.18 | zecke | but hopefully at akademy as well |
| 22:09.25 | mickeyl | *crossing fingers* |
| 22:09.30 | zecke | me too |
| 22:09.38 | mickeyl | climate is nice in spain in august |
| 22:10.03 | zecke | I want to talk with some Trolls... |
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| 22:14.26 | mickeyl | *yawn* |
| 22:14.28 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:14.48 | zecke | mickeyl: did you try Qt/E lately? |
| 22:14.53 | mickey|zzZZzz | not 4.x |
| 22:15.05 | mickey|zzZZzz | last time i tried i was so disappointed |
| 22:15.07 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: the ArthurStyle looks 'nice' it shows promising capabilities |
| 22:15.13 | mickey|zzZZzz | months ago |
| 22:15.17 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: didn't change much |
| 22:15.22 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: 3/4 of Qt/E does not build |
| 22:15.25 | mickey|zzZZzz | bummer |
| 22:15.35 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: but it has transparency on Widgets |
| 22:15.46 | mickey|zzZZzz | i'm all for mainly targetting X11 and then it'll work on E as well |
| 22:16.00 | mickey|zzZZzz | dunno what's the direction bero heads |
| 22:16.08 | zecke | X11 |
| 22:16.18 | mickey|zzZZzz | good |
| 22:16.18 | zecke | but E as well |
| 22:16.28 | zecke | as the number of #ifdefs will be limited |
| 22:16.41 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: /msg bero ( he is around) |
| 22:16.45 | mickey|zzZZzz | will do |
| 22:16.47 | mickey|zzZZzz | not now though |
| 22:35.47 | mithro | yay! 100% routable |
| 22:37.40 | zecke | good |
| 22:37.45 | zecke | not that I know what you're douing |
| 22:37.47 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:37.51 | zecke | doing god damn |
| 22:41.15 | zecke | kergoth: do we migrate openembedded.org to oe.handhelds.org now? |
| 22:41.21 | zecke | kergoth: or what will be done? |
| 22:46.42 | ascent | hm |
| 22:46.45 | ascent | opie-image is broken |
| 22:46.53 | ascent | ERROR: Nothing provides base-files |
| 22:46.53 | ascent | ERROR: dependency base-files (for task-bootstrap) not satisfied |
| 22:47.03 | ascent | That's with tonights pull |
| 22:51.34 | zecke | hmm |
| 22:52.47 | ascent | hm :) |
| 22:53.12 | zecke | ascent: the usual questions wiped out the cache? |
| 22:53.26 | zecke | ascent: bitbake version is current enough |
| 22:54.07 | ascent | zecke: this is with /tmp removed |
| 22:56.23 | zecke | BBPATH is set? |
| 22:56.28 | zecke | BBFILES is set correctly? |
| 22:56.47 | ascent | [oe@localhost oe]$ set | grep PATH |
| 22:56.47 | ascent | BBPATH=/home/oe/stuff/build:/home/oe/stuff/openembedded |
| 22:56.47 | ascent | PATH=/home/oe/stuff/bitbake/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/oe/bin |
| 22:56.50 | ascent | (yes) |
| 22:57.02 | ascent | I built opie-image in the same console earlier today |
| 22:57.24 | ascent | just after bk pull and another bitbake opie-image (after removing tmp), it broke halfway on the bootstrap thingie. |
| 22:59.50 | zecke | hmm I will start a build tomorrow |
| 22:59.54 | zecke | now heading towards bed |
| 22:59.56 | ascent | okay, let me know! |
| 23:04.34 | CIA-4 | 03zecke123 * r240 10bitbake/bin/bitdoc: (log message trimmed) |
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| 23:06.21 | ascent | hm, another list of updates with bk pull |
| 23:06.28 | ascent | 2nd large submit tonight? |
| 23:06.30 | ascent | let's try again |
| 23:06.55 | zecke | ascent: if you refer to my commit, it is a new tool in bitbake |
| 23:07.39 | ascent | oh okay.. well, not sure, it got a few pages of info on screen :) |
| 23:08.00 | ascent | not sure, but I'm builing opie-image again, it probably fails again, but we'll see :) |
| 23:08.09 | ascent | there goes, _mark_ :) |
| 23:08.40 | zecke | hrw|gone: I'll make the HTML/XHTML valid and then you maybe could help me to make it more beautiful? |
| 23:08.45 | zecke | and accessible to disabled |
| 23:10.41 | kergoth | k, the oe-devel -> openembedded sync script should be running now |
| 23:11.23 | zecke | thanks |
| 23:11.28 | zecke | and good nite |
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