irclog2html for #oe on 20050506

`00:01.04`	`_chronic`	`it would obviously be a great developer test bed env - especially to overlay an nfs mount from a development machine. would you recommend trying, say, unionmounting all appropriate top level dirs to achieve a similar aim?`
`00:05.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`That seems to be a better option`
`00:06.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`but if you're doing a nfs mount, that would get messy quickly`
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`00:07.54`	`_chronic`	`CosmicPenguin: oh. i mean obviously overlaying onto MMC & CF will give more room to move, but then i thought the even better option might be to overlay onto my dev machine with the cross compile toolchain installed.`
`00:08.25`	`_chronic`	`meaning, compile, install, and instantly run new version on test host.`
`00:09.17`	`_chronic`	`i was hoping unionfs was as it said on the pack, independent of the underlying fs type.`
`00:09.35`	`CosmicPenguin`	`RIght - I'm just saying that at some point, you will get tired of managing all the individual directories, and just want to go back to unionroot`
`00:09.48`	`_chronic`	`ah. yes. there is that.`
`00:10.21`	`_chronic`	`but i'm hoping for no more than 6 or so relevant TLDirs to worry about.`
`00:10.24`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Personally, I just union mount configuration and temporary directories and call it good - but on the other hand, I'm not interested in installing new binaries`
`00:10.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`so I can get away with a list of two or three directories - dealing with /bin /sbin and /usr/* is much more difficult`
`00:14.49`	`_chronic`	`well, i might persist because as i learn a little more about unionfs, i might see why unionroot is failing and solve it (more likely someone will beat me to that!) and i'm pretty sure that with unionctl and the snapshot facility, merging the TLDirs to a unionroot system would be trivial.`
`00:17.29`	`_chronic`	`CoreDump\|home: & CosmicPenguin: thanks for your comments. appreciated.`
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`00:27.41`	`Cwiiis`	`_chronic: Last time I tried, unionroot was fine, but certain apps didn't like being under it, for one reason or another... It's been a while though (I wrote the scripts btw)`
`00:31.54`	`_chronic`	`Cwiiis: thanks for the comment. under the env i quoted the boot process seems to consistently fail, ie hang. i looked through your script - it seems simple and correct. i passed it to others with more knowledgeable bg's in such things and they agreed, although i don't understand why both a pivot_root and chroot would be required ... :-/`
`00:33.21`	`_chronic`	`Cwiiis: the only way i seem to be able to recover in my env, is to pass bootldr params to boot with /sbin/init.sysvinit ...`
`00:35.50`	`Cwiiis`	`_chronic: Have a look at the man-page of pivot_root to understand why you need that and chroot - As to why it fails on your system, I don't know :/ Perhaps you should try editing the script to give some sort of error output?`
`00:37.16`	`_chronic`	`Cwiiis: re: pivot_root, will do. also will try some sort of debug output in this & report anything useful i may find back here.`
`00:38.06`	`Cwiiis`	`_chronic: That'd be good :) Hopefully I'll have some time after exams to take another look at unionroot, or at least, employing unionfs effectively to deprecate ipkg-link`
`00:38.42`	`_chronic`	`Cwiiis: mmmm. nice.`
`00:47.20`	`reenoo_`	`'night all`
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`01:04.38`	`zecke`	`good nite`
`01:04.45`	`zecke`	`almost done with the excercises...`
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`01:37.10`	`chouimat`	`df -h`
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`02:21.55`	`kergoth`	`mm`
`02:22.10`	`gb2`	`my gf gave her thesis defense today`
`02:22.13`	`gb2`	`she passed :)`
`02:22.17`	`gb2`	`less insane stress here`
`02:23.34`	`subdue`	`kergoth: what broke?`
`02:35.42`	`jskcr\|lappy`	`kergoth have you put out a 1.0 of tslib?`
`02:36.26`	`kergoth`	`not yet. thanks for the reminder`
`02:38.26`	`treke\|home`	`god. that movie sucked more than I ever thought it could suck`
`02:38.34`	`kergoth`	`what movie?`
`02:38.45`	`treke\|home`	`hitchhikers guide to the galaxy`
`02:39.02`	`kergoth`	`they screwed it up that badly?`
`02:39.06`	`treke\|home`	`yes`
`02:39.08`	`treke\|home`	`they did`
`02:39.50`	`kergoth`	`i'm as cynical as the next person, probably more so, but how do you fuck that up? all they had to do was not fuck up the story`
`02:40.04`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`02:40.07`	`treke\|home`	`right`
`02:41.17`	`treke\|home`	`you see it was the not fuck up the story bit that they had problems with`
`02:41.41`	`kergoth`	`ugh`
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`02:42.11`	`kergoth`	`how hard is it to just honestly represent an existing story? why do people feel the need to impose arbitrary modifications?`
`02:42.18`	`kergoth`	`i dont get it`
`02:42.37`	`treke\|home`	`they cut zaphod's freaking head off`
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`02:47.37`	`treke\|home`	`the worst part was the ending point was just way too soon`
`02:47.51`	`treke\|home`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa`
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`02:49.23`	`jskcr\|lappy`	`they are talking about making it a trilogy`
`02:49.39`	`treke\|home`	`god no`
`02:49.43`	`jskcr\|lappy`	`yup`
`02:49.55`	`treke\|home`	`I hope they actually start writing zaphod properly at some point`
`02:50.24`	`treke\|home`	`he's not mind numbingly stupid, he's just too cool to care what is right`
`02:50.25`	`org_laptop`	`is bugzilla not fully configured at oe.org?`
`02:50.28`	`treke\|home`	`there's a difference`
`02:50.36`	`treke\|home`	`bugzilla isn't configured at all.`
`02:50.42`	`org_laptop`	`ah.. ok`
`02:50.46`	`org_laptop`	`nothing big`
`02:51.25`	`treke\|home`	`that's why we haven't put it online at the proper url`
`02:51.47`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: they wrote him as stupid? :(`
`02:51.52`	`org_laptop`	`is it ok to submit bugs there?`
`02:52.07`	`treke\|home`	`org_laptop: you shouldn't even be able to get into it`
`02:52.10`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: yes`
`02:52.23`	`org_laptop`	`hmm... I'm logged in`
`02:52.32`	`treke\|home`	`log out and don't go back :)`
`02:52.38`	`jskcr\|lappy`	`hmm were would be a good place to flame the dork that changed tslib to work as a mouse in xserver-kdrive`
`02:52.42`	`org_laptop`	`fine! I'm taking my legos with me`
`02:53.16`	`jskcr\|lappy`	`err thats backwords lol change tslib to xserver-kdrive and vice versa`
`02:54.31`	`treke\|home`	`org_laptop: when it's ready for usage we'll put it up on bugs.oe.org domain`
`02:55.31`	`org_laptop`	`I can pull it up when I goto bugs.openembedded.org`
`02:56.04`	`treke\|home`	`errm bad`
`02:57.59`	`treke\|home`	`it's just supposed to be at bugs.treke.net right now...`
`02:58.08`	`treke\|home`	`someone apparantly screwed up that part also`
`02:58.20`	`org_laptop`	`sure... I wonder who that someone is ;)`
`02:58.28`	`treke\|home`	`I'm blaming kergoth`
`02:58.40`	`org_laptop`	`damnit treke, clean this place up!`
`03:03.49`	`treke\|home`	`the ticket conversion script is on my todo list next`
`03:04.27`	`treke\|home`	`but first I have to find my mp3s of the radio program`
`03:10.11`	`treke\|home`	`and then make dinner`
`03:10.31`	`treke\|home`	`luckilly I just have to export to the xml schema that bugzilla reads`
`03:10.45`	`treke\|home`	`and half fo the bugs are junk anyways`
`03:13.15`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
`03:18.03`	`treke\|home`	`I will actually say one good thing about the movie. They got the book right`
`03:19.12`	`emte`	`no, hhgttg was good`
`03:19.37`	`emte`	`if you ever watched the first version you'd know`
`03:19.43`	`treke\|home`	`I've watched it`
`03:20.27`	`emte`	`i admit i could have dome without the 10min of dolphin singing`
`03:20.33`	`treke\|home`	`hehehe`
`03:20.40`	`emte`	`done*`
`03:20.51`	`emte`	`other than that it was actually better than i expected`
`03:21.29`	`emte`	`i would have prefered they had made restaraunt instead`
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`06:05.41`	`wrobbie`	`Hia all`
`06:05.49`	`wrobbie`	`Any OE guru's online?`
`06:06.06`	`wrobbie`	`NOTE: package genext2fs-native-1.3+cvs20050506-r2: task do_patch: started`
`06:06.06`	`wrobbie`	`NOTE: Applying patch 'bytes_per_inode.patch'`
`06:06.41`	`wrobbie`	`Patch fails..`
`06:10.24`	`wrobbie`	`I'll try without the patch, see if it actually needs that new option`
`06:10.24`	`kergoth`	`wrobbie: bytes per inode was modified a few times and eventually applied, in modified form, upstream`
`06:10.25`	`kergoth`	`so its no surprise that our patch would no longer apply`
`06:10.25`	`kergoth`	`should probably just remove it now`
`06:15.12`	`wrobbie`	`ok, thanks!`
`06:15.13`	`wrobbie`	`Another question: I have my own toolchain set (gcc 3.4.3-glibc 2.3.5). How can I get OE to use that? I vaguely remember docs on this, but I can't even remember whether that was for OE at all..`
`06:16.21`	`hrw`	`kergoth: does collie service manual say something about sd/mmc port?`
`06:16.48`	`kergoth`	`hrw: no`
`06:17.02`	`hrw`	`thx`
`06:17.07`	`kergoth`	`the sd/mmc is done via the SPI interface on LoCoMo`
`06:17.18`	`[g2]`	`hey kergoth !`
`06:17.22`	`kergoth`	`and locomo is only covered very briefly by the service manual`
`06:17.24`	`kergoth`	`hey [g2]`
`06:17.53`	`hrw`	`kergoth: so its totally black magic`
`06:18.32`	`[g2]`	`I'm off to sleep`
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`06:19.07`	`[g2]`	`from what I've heard mmc is pretty clear, but sd is murky`
`06:19.08`	`kergoth`	`hrw: i have the _scanned_ _japanese_ pdf datasheet on locomo. an OZ user translated the chapter that covered the SPI interface`
`06:19.27`	`[g2]`	`nite all. kergoth good seeing you`
`06:19.31`	`kergoth`	`night`
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`06:19.51`	`hrw`	`kergoth: hardcore`
`06:19.51`	`kergoth`	`hrw: all under Sharp NDA, naturally, so cant give it out`
`06:20.22`	`ljp`	`funny that sharp ships kernel sources that dont compile the same kernel thats on the c3000`
`06:20.44`	`kergoth`	`what? thats a gpl violation. they have to supply the sources that match the binary shipped`
`06:21.12`	`kergoth`	`eventually anyway. often the sources match a previous rom version. lag.`
`06:21.13`	`ljp`	`the c3000 has a module pxa_bi`
`06:21.41`	`ljp`	`to get that built, needs pxa_usb`
`06:21.44`	`ljp`	`which fails`
`06:21.59`	`kergoth`	`using the supplied kernel defconfig, i presume?`
`06:22.03`	`ljp`	`ya`
`06:22.09`	`kergoth`	`odd`
`06:22.19`	`ljp`	`actually, the defconfig doesnt have pxa_usb selected`
`06:23.06`	`ljp`	`sharp doesnt use pxa27_bi`
`06:23.24`	`ljp`	`i dunno`
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`07:45.05`	`XorA`	`morning`
`07:47.21`	`hrw\|work`	`hi XorA`
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`07:54.40`	`zecke`	`http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4036830962.html`
`07:57.13`	`XorA`	`zecke: thats a strong showing for openemebdded there`
`07:59.30`	`zecke`	`I hope not too many users participated in that survey`
`08:00.03`	`hrw\|work`	`"Part of OpenEmbedded's popularity may have derived from an unfortunate mailing list post encouraging users to vote"`
`08:00.17`	`hrw\|work`	`heh.`
`08:00.24`	`zecke`	`:}`
`08:00.38`	`zecke`	`anyway it shows MVista is decreasing`
`08:00.40`	`hrw\|work`	`"However, there's no doubt the project has momentum. It began as the OpenZaurus project, and then evolved into a cross-platform build system supporting a wide variety of embedded targets." - good works also`
`08:00.54`	`hrw\|work`	`:)`
`08:02.00`	`zecke`	`I know of people using it for commercial products`
`08:02.33`	`zecke`	`mickey\|tv: hehe your post is now infamous`
`08:06.26`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: ping`
`08:06.37`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: hello`
`08:06.46`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: I'm only here for a minute or two`
`08:07.20`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: serial_cs and 8250 are fixed in 2.6.11 now?`
`08:07.35`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: do they are in defconfig in OE?`
`08:07.46`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: They should be, yes`
`08:07.52`	`hrw\|work`	`thx`
`08:08.36`	`hrw\|work`	`thats all what I wanted to ask`
`08:08.55`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: ok, np`
`08:09.12`	`hrw\|work`	`one more... 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 is recommended to upgrade for me as a devel? or I can stick with 2.6.11?`
`08:09.57`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: I'd be interested to know of any bugs in 2.6.12-... I think I've fixed all the ones I know of...`
`08:10.10`	`hrw\|work`	`RP: ok - I will probably flash it later`
`08:14.01`	`ljp`	`mv is _not_ decreasing`
`08:23.08`	`hrw\|work`	`my grandmother died ;(`
`08:27.53`	`ljp`	`sorry to hear that`
`08:28.25`	`hrw\|work`	`yep`
`08:28.45`	`RP`	`hrw\|work: also sorry to hear that :-(`
`08:28.47`	`ljp`	`all my granparents died years ago`
`08:28.58`	`RP`	`I'm gone now. back Monday`
`08:29.54`	`hrw\|work`	`cu rp`
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`08:43.53`	`hrw\|sad`	`hi mickeyl`
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`08:46.25`	`mickeyl`	`morning hrw. my sincere condolences to you :/`
`08:47.30`	`mickeyl`	`zecke: i have no problem with infamous posts when the result is like that, heh :D`
`08:48.04`	`mickeyl`	`<CIA>revamp the wlan-ng-modules build strategy and make it a bit more sane by splitting into a -modules and a -utils bb. It is still horrible, but at least more predictable and maintenable.</CIA>`
`08:49.37`	`XorA`	`what happened to CIA anyway?`
`08:49.59`	`hrw\|sad`	`maybe triggers are not called`
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`08:56.17`	`koobla`	`hi hrw\|sad - my deepest sentiments to you!`
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`09:10.38`	`lardman\|gone`	`luke-jr: I removed my openembedded directory and re-cloned it yesterday evening while talking to you, and minimo built fine last night`
`09:11.31`	`b0ti\|work`	`lardman: check this out: http://siliconium.net/wp/`
`09:11.52`	`lardman`	`:)`
`09:12.24`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: nice work - has it been added to oe yet?`
`09:13.13`	`b0ti\|work`	`still not perfectly functional, and pretty buggy.`
`09:13.51`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: it works though, it should be added`
`09:13.58`	`hrw\|sad`	`Linux c7x0 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 #1 PREEMPT Fri May 6 10:52:04 CEST 2005 armv5tel unknown`
`09:14.26`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: just read this morning's posts - my condolences`
`09:14.34`	`hrw\|sad`	`thx`
`09:14.36`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: nice. any performance differences ?`
`09:14.46`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: just booted`
`09:15.31`	`b0ti\|work`	`works partially. I couldn't get usb-storage devices to work yet. And there are still oopses sometimes when removing the card or suspending the Z.`
`09:16.10`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: Still add it in. Stick it with the .bb I made (change the maintainer name on it to yours as you're the one who did all the work) and stick it up on your home page`
`09:16.25`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: Then we can ask mickeyl nicely if he'll push it`
`09:19.10`	`hrw\|sad`	`heh.. I forgot to add my patch to kernel..`
`09:19.18`	`hrw\|sad`	`hrw-sdcard-timeout.patch`
`09:21.45`	`b0ti\|work`	`lardman: can you test it?`
`09:22.28`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: Yes, but not for an hour or so - I've got a few things to sort out first`
`09:23.02`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: btw - can you extract /etc/timestamp stuff from /etc/init.d/reboot?`
`09:23.39`	`mickeyl`	`extract ?`
`09:23.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: to other script`
`09:23.53`	`mickeyl`	`why?`
`09:24.07`	`hrw\|sad`	`I sometimes do sysrq boot and got date from 4days before...`
`09:24.46`	`mickeyl`	`this won't be fixed with removing the stuff from reboot`
`09:24.55`	`hrw\|sad`	`I know`
`09:24.59`	`mickeyl`	`sysrq means no init scripts will be called`
`09:25.11`	`mickeyl`	`and since sysrq is an exception I think we can live with that`
`09:25.20`	`mickeyl`	`without the script, the time will revert to 1970`
`09:25.22`	`hrw\|sad`	`but now I have to duplicate it to save date in anytime`
`09:25.37`	`mickeyl`	`what is anytime ?`
`09:25.50`	`hrw\|sad`	`== cannot do "/etc/init.d/timestamp stop" now for example`
`09:26.56`	`hrw\|sad`	`now it is in halt, reboot, bootmisc.sh`
`09:26.58`	`mickeyl`	`hmm i don't see a better way to do it than how we do it right now. if you don't like the scripts handling the timestamp, just remove it`
`09:27.05`	`mickeyl`	`rm /etc/timestamp`
`09:27.11`	`mickeyl`	`and voila, the scripts will be quiet`
`09:27.23`	`hrw\|sad`	`heh - I meant something else..`
`09:27.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`remove timestamp things from halt, reboot, bootmisc and place in new script - timestamp`
`09:27.59`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`09:28.22`	`hrw\|sad`	`that way we have all deviceisms in one place`
`09:28.47`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`09:29.09`	`mickeyl`	`i don't like it in a seperate script, to be honest`
`09:29.24`	`mickeyl`	`if you don't like the duplication, the it could be in some functions`
`09:29.29`	`mickeyl`	`and then the scripts sourcing functions`
`09:29.33`	`mickeyl`	`. /functions`
`09:29.36`	`mickeyl`	`and then calling timestamp`
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`09:29.45`	`mickeyl`	`we already have a lot of init scripts running`
`09:29.55`	`mickeyl`	`and one more would just increase booting and reboot time once more`
`09:30.12`	`mickeyl`	`dunno`
`09:30.46`	`hrw\|sad`	`yep - the other side of problem`
`09:32.40`	`hrw\|sad`	`argh... to flash Z I need to write kernel to sd card.. to write something to sd card I need to reflash kernel...`
`09:32.49`	`mickeyl`	`chicken and egg`
`09:33.50`	`hrw\|sad`	`yeo`
`09:34.17`	`mickeyl`	`btw., you still looking for a CF Wifi card ?`
`09:34.37`	`hrw\|sad`	`I got one`
`09:34.40`	`mickeyl`	`ah good`
`09:34.43`	`hrw\|sad`	`D-link dcf-660w`
`09:34.50`	`mickeyl`	`ok`
`09:35.03`	`hrw\|sad`	`with husky`
`09:35.18`	`mickeyl`	`very good. hostap_cs`
`09:35.27`	`mickeyl`	`i just added a check to libopienet to ignore wifi0`
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`09:35.31`	`mickeyl`	`that'll improve a couple of apps`
`09:35.40`	`mickeyl`	`~lart hostap folks`
`09:41.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`Empty flash at 0x0029640c ends at 0x00296600`
`09:41.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`Empty flash at 0x0061b2e8 ends at 0x0061b400`
`09:41.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`Empty flash at 0x00725044 ends at 0x00725200`
`09:41.49`	`hrw\|sad`	`it is normal?`
`09:42.31`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: yes`
`09:42.49`	`hrw\|sad`	`thx`
`09:43.11`	`b0ti\|work`	`hrw\|sad: that's what I'm getting too.`
`09:43.20`	`b0ti\|work`	`hrw\|sad: and Data CRC errors`
`09:43.31`	`XorA`	`its just jffs recovering`
`09:43.50`	`b0ti\|work`	`XorA: recovering every time?`
`09:44.51`	`XorA`	`b0ti\|work: Im not sure it writes the fixes until you actually write to those locations`
`09:45.04`	`XorA`	`b0ti\|work: they move around for me depending how full I make flash`
`09:45.18`	`XorA`	`b0ti\|work: I am guessing`
`09:47.07`	`hrw\|sad`	`hotpluging/unplugging cf card works nice`
`09:47.33`	`mickeyl`	`very good`
`09:48.05`	`hrw\|sad`	`will test in a minute with hostap`
`09:48.13`	`b0ti\|work`	`XorA: I've got one at the same location always. Others appeared recently, I did a lot of sysrq-b beacause of the oops.`
`09:50.26`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: does that mean cardctl eject is no longer requierd?`
`09:50.37`	`hrw\|sad`	`looks like`
`09:51.00`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: that'll be nice in GPE`
`09:52.52`	`hrw\|sad`	`http://pastebin.ca/11108`
`09:53.04`	`hrw\|sad`	`insert wifi, remove wifi, insert bt`
`09:54.33`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: nice, then VFS/FS stuff just needs to work unmounting file systems and all will rock`
`09:54.55`	`hrw\|sad`	`net.agent also needs change`
`09:54.56`	`mickeyl`	`very good`
`09:55.39`	`hrw\|sad`	`wellenreiter told: I have WE V17, you have WE V0`
`09:55.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`;)`
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`09:56.37`	`hrw\|sad`	`any ideas?`
`09:57.32`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: ?`
`09:59.46`	`mickeyl`	`V0 ??`
`09:59.52`	`mickeyl`	`that looks not good`
`10:00.13`	`mickeyl`	`start it at command line and pastebin the output`
`10:00.23`	`hrw\|sad`	`ok`
`10:00.54`	`hrw\|sad`	`http://pastebin.ca/11109`
`10:03.02`	`mickeyl`	`does iwconfig work?`
`10:03.09`	`mickeyl`	`that looks like a kernel problem to me`
`10:03.29`	`hrw\|sad`	`work`
`10:03.53`	`hrw\|sad`	`http://pastebin.ca/11110`
`10:04.44`	`mickeyl`	`odd`
`10:04.54`	`mickeyl`	`no idea frankl`
`10:04.54`	`mickeyl`	`y`
`10:05.39`	`hrw\|sad`	`time for you to upgrade ;)`
`10:06.10`	`hrw\|sad`	`iwconfig warning about WE18 <> WE17 is strange for me`
`10:06.25`	`hrw\|sad`	`brb`
`10:14.09`	`mickeyl`	`hmm, ok, looks like my USB device tree parser works`
`10:14.10`	`mickeyl`	`http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20508.png`
`10:16.04`	`ljp`	`wow, thats some handheld with two cpu's! ;)`
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`10:17.09`	`lardman`	`Should sdl apps work with GPE or Opie without changes?`
`10:17.46`	`lardman`	`Just wondering why I can't set sdl as a DEPENDS, then have my build type decide whether it should be -qpe or -x11`
`10:17.51`	`XorA`	`lardman: they should in an ideal world, they dont currently`
`10:18.02`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: just 7-in-1 card reader?`
`10:18.08`	`lardman`	`XorA: Ok, thanks`
`10:18.24`	`XorA`	`lardman: SDL apps use sdl-config and end up linking x11 or qt directly`
`10:19.18`	`mickeyl`	`ljp: heh`
`10:19.26`	`lardman`	`XorA: But I have to explicitly give a depends of -qpe or -x11 to get bb to build it`
`10:19.33`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: ya, that's my workstation`
`10:19.37`	`mickeyl`	`(in the office)`
`10:19.44`	`XorA`	`lardman: there is a virtual/sdl`
`10:20.07`	`XorA`	`lardman: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl-x11"`
`10:20.21`	`lardman`	`XorA: Ah, I see, Okay, I'll try that`
`10:21.25`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: "7-in-1" - that manufacturers.. I have 8-in-1 which can read over 15 "types"`
`10:23.53`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: actually, i find this x-in-1 quite boring. damn marketing fuzz`
`10:23.59`	`hrw\|sad`	`yes`
`10:24.04`	`mickeyl`	`they should better tell about the number of slots, not the number of devs`
`10:24.09`	`mickeyl`	`because that's what counts`
`10:24.19`	`hrw\|sad`	`4 slot reader`
`10:24.26`	`mickeyl`	`same here`
`10:25.05`	`hrw\|sad`	`XorA: cf, mmc?`
`10:25.16`	`hrw\|sad`	`first card which I used with my reader was ms`
`10:25.17`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: how you guess`
`10:25.43`	`hrw\|sad`	`my glassball show it`
`10:26.07`	`mickeyl`	`any more things to show in sysinfo -> devices?`
`10:26.40`	`ljp`	`pizza huts menu`
`10:27.14`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: nothing comes to mind`
`10:27.30`	`mickeyl`	`good`
`10:27.48`	`mickeyl`	`need to do some polishing on the indivual entries, but more or less this is a good substitute for the CPU tab`
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`10:27.53`	`mickeyl`	`individual, even`
`10:41.22`	`hrw\|sad`	`~change 29 usd to pln`
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`11:34.46`	`luke-jr`	`lardman: so... minimo hates something else`
`11:35.00`	`luke-jr`	`lardman: and for some reason, my BB built that something else before minimo`
`11:35.00`	`lardman`	`Something about you hey ;)`
`11:35.28`	`lardman`	`I don't know, it's very odd`
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`11:35.44`	`lardman`	`you are doing a full bitbake, not a -b?`
`11:35.48`	`luke-jr`	`right`
`11:35.52`	`luke-jr`	`was doing`
`11:35.58`	`luke-jr`	`I s/minimo/firefox and completed`
`11:36.10`	`luke-jr`	`tho FireFox's bb has a bug too`
`11:36.15`	`luke-jr`	`but I can fix it manually :)`
`11:36.24`	`lardman`	`so you have something working then?`
`11:36.28`	`luke-jr`	`I just had to replace -L/lib with the correct -L`
`11:36.30`	`luke-jr`	`yea`
`11:36.33`	`lardman`	`good`
`11:36.37`	`luke-jr`	`well`
`11:36.39`	`luke-jr`	`I have an image`
`11:36.44`	`luke-jr`	`no idea if it actually works`
`11:36.49`	`luke-jr`	`cuz I can't upgrade :(`
`11:37.00`	`lardman`	`I've got got quake1 compiling (well failing, I need to add zlib as a dep and restart)`
`11:37.08`	`luke-jr`	`How do you have GL?`
`11:37.27`	`lardman`	`I just grabbed the source which pdaXrom use and copied their build method`
`11:37.43`	`luke-jr`	`so X w/ GL isn't in OE yet?`
`11:37.51`	`lardman`	`no idea`
`11:37.53`	`luke-jr`	`o`
`11:38.03`	`luke-jr`	`I was hoping it was like Xrender or such`
`11:38.23`	`lardman`	`I'm still on the x11 learning curve`
`11:38.24`	`hrw\|sad`	`hmm.. have to install prboom on husky`
`11:38.46`	`luke-jr`	`one of the games I'm a dev for is kinda designed to be happy w/ software rendering`
`11:39.19`	`luke-jr`	`so even if Q1 doesn't run well, AA should\`
`11:39.36`	`lardman`	`I just want to add it so that we can say we have it available`
`11:39.41`	`luke-jr`	`=p`
`11:39.55`	`luke-jr`	`Any interest in adding AA also, then? =p`
`11:40.08`	`lardman`	`hmm`
`11:40.16`	`luke-jr`	`I did a build, but I hacked up tmp/work to do it`
`11:40.20`	`lardman`	`You're closer to it that I am, why not do it yourself?`
`11:40.42`	`lardman`	`patches...`
`11:40.44`	`luke-jr`	`bb is too anti-me to work =p`
`11:41.00`	`lardman`	`Only when it comes to minimo though?`
`11:41.04`	`luke-jr`	`nah`
`11:41.11`	`luke-jr`	`cairo had issues too`
`11:41.14`	`luke-jr`	`but ones I could fix`
`11:41.20`	`luke-jr`	`same w/ quite a number of other things`
`11:42.19`	`luke-jr`	`so...yea... bb is anti-me =p`
`11:42.37`	`luke-jr`	`knowing it, I'd get a working .bb on my system and it would fail for everyone else`
`11:43.01`	`lardman`	`:)`
`11:43.12`	`luke-jr`	`lol... knowing it, the .bb I made already would work for everyone else w/o the tmp/work hacking`
`11:43.19`	`lardman`	`I don't want Quake, just annoys me that people want it and we don't have it`
`11:43.30`	`lardman`	`I need to continue work on R`
`11:43.35`	`luke-jr`	`R?`
`11:43.47`	`lardman`	`http://www.r-project.org/`
`11:43.57`	`luke-jr`	`can't do websites right now`
`11:43.58`	`lardman`	`It's in nonworking (well a start is anyway)`
`11:44.03`	`luke-jr`	`sitting at console about to reboot`
`11:44.15`	`luke-jr`	`wait no... i already did reboot`
`11:44.16`	`luke-jr`	`lol`
`11:44.29`	`lardman`	`It's a stats prog w/ graphics for X11`
`11:44.33`	`luke-jr`	`hmm`
`11:45.17`	`hrw\|sad`	`luke-jr: what kernel on Z, what on desktop?`
`11:46.39`	`luke-jr`	`Linux kazumichan 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #1 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:36:27 +0200 armv5tel unknown`
`11:46.50`	`luke-jr`	`Linux tsurukikun 2.6.11-gentoo-r7-ljr #1 Thu May 5 21:29:31 UTC 2005 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux`
`11:47.37`	`lardman`	`not the usbcore issue then`
`11:49.02`	`luke-jr`	`do I need USB_ARMLINUX?`
`11:49.31`	`hrw\|sad`	`luke-jr: read usb networking howto on openzaurus.org`
`11:49.49`	`luke-jr`	`did`
`11:50.00`	`luke-jr`	`yes, the one updated yesterday`
`11:50.31`	`hrw\|sad`	`http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/config-2.6.12-rc3.txt - my config which work with 2.4.18 and 2.6.11`
`11:50.39`	`hrw\|sad`	`and 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 ;)`
`11:52.10`	`luke-jr`	`usbnet should work as a module, right?`
`11:52.21`	`luke-jr`	`+CONFIG_USB_CDCETHER=y`
`11:52.24`	`luke-jr`	`that's another diff`
`11:53.59`	`hrw\|sad`	`I have usbnet in kernel iirc`
`11:54.21`	`luke-jr`	`that's why I was asking =p`
`11:54.47`	`lardman`	`Can someone give me an example BBMASK line?`
`11:55.01`	`hrw\|sad`	`BBMASK=""`
`11:55.05`	`lardman`	`:)`
`11:55.05`	`luke-jr`	`ROFL`
`11:55.12`	`lardman`	`with something in it?`
`11:55.16`	`hrw\|sad`	`BBMASK="(gpe\|opie\|x11)"`
`11:55.21`	`lardman`	`cool`
`11:55.26`	`luke-jr`	`hrw\|sad: that has a use?`
`11:55.30`	`luke-jr`	`and wtf are you sad?`
`11:55.39`	`hrw\|sad`	`luke-jr: grandmother died`
`11:55.42`	`luke-jr`	`:(`
`11:56.04`	`luke-jr`	`sorry to hear that`
`11:57.41`	`hrw\|sad`	`luke-jr: what use?`
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`12:03.40`	`luke-jr`	`ok...gonna compile USB & usbnet into the kernel :\|`
`12:03.48`	`luke-jr`	`In a way, I hope this doesn't work`
`12:04.29`	`luke-jr`	`hmm`
`12:05.05`	`luke-jr`	`rebooting... bbiab`
`12:05.07`	`hrw\|sad`	`luke-jr: what I use often I have in kernel`
`12:05.36`	`hrw\|sad`	`if it does not need extra parameters (like bttv has)`
`12:05.39`	`luke-jr`	`hrw\|sad: I generally module everything`
`12:05.44`	`luke-jr`	`reboots`
`12:05.52`	`luke-jr`	`system is going down :)`
`12:07.00`	`lardman`	`How should I pass an additional CFLAGS -D setting to oe_runmake() ?`
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`12:09.30`	`hrw\|sad`	`use EXTRA_OEMAKE`
`12:10.09`	`lardman`	`Yep, just twigged that, thanks`
`12:11.34`	`lardman`	`doesn't work`
`12:11.53`	`lardman`	`I get: NOTE: make -DHAVE_ZLIB -DNO_DEBUG -finline-function`
`12:12.05`	`lardman`	`then errors about invalid options`
`12:12.18`	`hrw\|sad`	`ops..`
`12:12.33`	`lardman`	`can I export CFLAGS or += it?`
`12:13.10`	`hrw\|sad`	`look in examples..`
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`12:13.24`	`lardman`	`:)`
`12:14.59`	`mickeyl`	`lardman: b0ti\|work: upgraded your driver in OE. compiles and packages fine`
`12:15.59`	`b0ti\|work`	`mickeyl: thanx. I'll work on it over the weekend, for 2.6.12`
`12:16.30`	`hrw\|sad`	`re mickeyl`
`12:17.24`	`b0ti\|work`	`mickeyl: I have one question though. Should it be a kernel patch or a seperate package like it is now?`
`12:17.24`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: zmiq on #openzaurus reports problems with 2.6.11-r16 and bt uart card`
`12:17.25`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: Looks like the export method works, quake has successfully compiled, fails on the packaging`
`12:17.34`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: so it is done`
`12:18.00`	`hrw\|sad`	`b0ti\|work: I suggest separate and sending patch to lkml`
`12:18.56`	`b0ti\|work`	`hrw\|sad: that's what I think too.`
`12:18.59`	`lardman`	`thanks mickeyl`
`12:19.00`	`mickeyl`	`b0ti\|work: i'd say leave it as is for now. When we have more users tested, then patch to lkml`
`12:19.14`	`lardman`	`b0ti\|work: I'll try it after lunch`
`12:19.16`	`b0ti\|work`	`ok`
`12:19.28`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: which device?`
`12:19.45`	`mickeyl`	`if c7x0, then he needs a newer kernel with my patch to 8250`
`12:20.57`	`zmiq`	`hi mickeyl; it's me having trouble setting up socket bluetooth 2.5 rev g card`
`12:21.09`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: 2.6.11-r16 is that one`
`12:21.33`	`hrw\|sad`	`zmiq: reflashed kernel from upgrades?`
`12:21.36`	`mickeyl`	`what are the problems exactly ?`
`12:21.40`	`zmiq`	`i've got c750, oz3.5.3, 2.6.11 built today`
`12:21.42`	`mithro`	`hey people`
`12:21.49`	`mickeyl`	`socket BT needs a dedicated module isn't it?`
`12:22.07`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: not rev G which is uart based`
`12:22.17`	`mickeyl`	`serial ?`
`12:22.24`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: rec E, F are nokia based, G are serial`
`12:22.28`	`mickeyl`	`i see`
`12:22.32`	`mickeyl`	`ok, where are the problems exactly ?`
`12:22.32`	`zmiq`	`hrw is right`
`12:22.36`	`mithro`	`mickeyl: should have submited something to you about the embedded miniconf to your newsletter :P`
`12:22.45`	`mickeyl`	`mithro: yeah, you should've :)`
`12:22.51`	`mickeyl`	`mithro: for the next issue then`
`12:22.52`	`zecke`	`mickeyl: hey`
`12:22.58`	`mickeyl`	`hi ze`
`12:22.59`	`mickeyl`	`cke`
`12:23.23`	`mithro`	`mickeyl: as long as the next issue isn't in another 6 months :P`
`12:23.32`	`mithro`	`mickeyl: should have video by then`
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`12:24.16`	`zmiq`	`mickeyl: 1) when I insert the card, in syslog I have: creating device node /dev/ttyS3, and after that executing ./serial start ttyS0 2>&1`
`12:24.30`	`mickeyl`	`ok, two problems`
`12:24.39`	`mickeyl`	`a) the card is not added into bluetooth.conf`
`12:24.44`	`mickeyl`	`b) pcmcia picks up the wrong port`
`12:24.51`	`mickeyl`	`for a) you know what to do`
`12:24.59`	`mickeyl`	`for b) i have no idea`
`12:25.07`	`mickeyl`	`perhaps a bug in cardmgr`
`12:25.24`	`mickeyl`	`i can confirm this behavour though`
`12:25.34`	`mickeyl`	`the same happens on my c7x0 with my card`
`12:25.59`	`mickeyl`	`which means you need to hciattach manually for now`
`12:26.05`	`mickeyl`	`until someone debugs b)`
`12:26.09`	`zmiq`	`mickeyl: 2) when I do an hciattach /dev/ttyS0\|ttyS3 bcsp 230400, I always get the BSCP timeout error (it worked with sharp rom)`
`12:26.28`	`mickeyl`	`tried without giving speed ?`
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`12:27.09`	`mickeyl`	`when it works with SharpROM, then it could be a bcsp protocol problem in 2.6.11. Mine works with bcsp`
`12:27.55`	`mithro`	`whats BCSP?`
`12:28.16`	`zmiq`	`mickeyl: tried hciattach /dev/ttyS[0\|3] [bcsp\|socket] without success`
`12:28.17`	`mickeyl`	`bluecore serial protocol`
`12:28.19`	`mickeyl`	`or something`
`12:28.29`	`mickeyl`	`zmiq: then i'm out of ideas.`
`12:29.17`	`zmiq`	`mickeyl: I was prepared for any response like contact with nasa or s, but not this one!`
`12:29.44`	`mickeyl`	`heh`
`12:30.10`	`mickeyl`	`my bluetooth knowledge is like... two weeks old`
`12:30.16`	`mickeyl`	`i'm a newbie`
`12:30.58`	`hrw\|sad`	`I got card which works until suspend ;)`
`12:31.13`	`mickeyl`	`i found all BT cards need manually 'cardctl resume'`
`12:31.18`	`mickeyl`	`as for why i have no idea`
`12:31.27`	`mickeyl`	`they work after doing that though`
`12:32.58`	`hrw\|sad`	`dtl1_cs is known to not survive suspend/resume`
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`12:33.27`	`zmiq`	`after cardctl resume I get ioctl(): device or resource busy ?!?`
`12:33.49`	`mickeyl`	`right after resuming from sleep?`
`12:34.05`	`zmiq`	`right after insr`
`12:34.10`	`zmiq`	`right after insert`
`12:34.22`	`mickeyl`	`cardctl resume is for after resume`
`12:34.27`	`mickeyl`	`that was an answer to hrw`
`12:34.49`	`hrw\|sad`	`will check`
`12:35.07`	`mickeyl`	`zmiq: what does logread tell you during insert ?`
`12:35.59`	`hrw\|sad`	`root@c7x0:~# cardctl resume`
`12:36.00`	`hrw\|sad`	`ioctl(): Device or resource busy`
`12:36.03`	`mickeyl`	`ljp: any news about qtopia phones in europe, btw.?`
`12:36.08`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: hmm`
`12:36.11`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: bummer`
`12:36.44`	`hrw\|sad`	`mickeyl: Martin Holzmann (bluez maintainer, author of driver) wrote in 200407xx then adding suspend/resume is on todo list`
`12:36.46`	`zmiq`	`in /var/log/messages (is that what you mean by logread?) after card insert I get that serial /ttyS0 stuff posted before; then I modprobed bluetooth and hci_uart succsfully; and then try to hciattach`
`12:37.16`	`mickeyl`	`hrw\|sad: i see`
`12:37.32`	`mickeyl`	`zmiq: var/log/messages ?? on a Zaurus ?`
`12:37.51`	`zmiq`	`well, what's the issue? yes`
`12:37.57`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`12:38.00`	`mickeyl`	`surprising`
`12:38.08`	`mickeyl`	`since when do we have /var/log/messages ?`
`12:38.29`	`zmiq`	`I just modified syslog.conf, and started syslogd, just normal linux stuff I guess ...`
`12:38.37`	`hrw\|sad`	`lunch now..`
`12:38.44`	`zmiq`	`bon appetit`
`12:39.11`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: you should do remote logging`
`12:40.14`	`zmiq`	`I'd like to, but my desktop gentoo-2.4.28 won't load usbnet correctly; I'll get into that later; and I need the cf for testing the bluetooth card ...`
`12:41.26`	`zmiq`	`I have already spent a couple of days trying to get usbnet on 2.4.28, but no way; I'm planning on backporting from 2.6.11, which is reported as working right?`
`12:42.05`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: tell me if you packport it, I was thinking about that too, but I'm busy with other stuff.`
`12:42.49`	`zmiq`	`ok`
`12:43.24`	`luke-jr`	`zmiq: 2.6.11 doesn't work here`
`12:43.49`	`luke-jr`	`and why are you using obsolete 2.4?`
`12:44.13`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: 2.6.11 works with 2.6's usb-gadget`
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`12:44.49`	`b0ti\|work`	`luke-jr: 2.4 is not obsolete, I wouldn't touch 2.6 until it reached 2.6.10 either.`
`12:44.57`	`luke-jr`	`b0ti\|work: any idea if those files I named are right?`
`12:45.15`	`b0ti\|work`	`luke-jr: what files?`
`12:45.18`	`luke-jr`	`b0ti\|work: in the other channel`
`12:45.20`	`luke-jr`	`gpe-image-c7x0-20050505182601.rootfs.img & zImage-c7x0-20050430101836.bin ?`
`12:45.21`	`zmiq`	`I'm still with 2.4 because 1) I'm lazy 2) I scare easily 3) my servers work on 2.4, and cannot be taken offline for an upgrade`
`12:46.17`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: same here.`
`12:46.38`	`luke-jr`	`my arch isn't even supported by 2.4 =p`
`12:46.44`	`zmiq`	`bOti: so then I understand usbnet works for desktop 2.6.11. am i right?`
`12:46.55`	`luke-jr`	`zmiq: only if your Z runs a 2.6 kernel`
`12:47.05`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: yes, just need to backport the usbnet gadget support.`
`12:47.34`	`zmiq`	`ok; luke, no to start a rant, but your -jr suffix means a lot`
`12:47.41`	`luke-jr`	`it means nothing`
`12:48.07`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: this is a good read: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/`
`12:48.45`	`luke-jr`	`zmiq: does your last name have a meaning?`
`12:49.14`	`zmiq`	`sorry. I thougth jr=junior; young people are more risky and entrepeneour that scary non-so-junior like me. anyway, forgetit; i was just trying to kill some time before lunch`
`12:51.35`	`zmiq`	`bOti: I went into that on Wed, and already made a couple of patches, but I need to get stuff that works to backport; I think I already tried all usual copy/paste obvious things, like I did with 2.4.19, but didn't work this time`
`12:57.48`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: would be nice if the packport could make it into 2.4.31`
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`13:00.48`	`zecke`	`I hope to have fixed the last wrong assumption in build.py`
`13:02.04`	`lardman`	`should sdl-config set the path to find -LSDL-1.2?`
`13:02.37`	`stealth`	`what is the PR variable do?`
`13:02.43`	`stealth`	`s/is/does`
`13:02.53`	`lardman`	`Program Release`
`13:02.55`	`lardman`	`Version`
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`13:08.41`	`mickeyl`	`more like Programm Revision`
`13:09.01`	`mickeyl`	`or rather Package Revision`
`13:09.58`	`lardman`	`sorry`
`13:11.36`	`stealth`	`if im adding a new program i should have it r1?`
`13:11.42`	`mickeyl`	`no`
`13:11.45`	`mickeyl`	`PR = "r0"`
`13:11.46`	`mickeyl`	`for new things`
`13:11.47`	`stealth`	`r0?`
`13:11.48`	`stealth`	`ok`
`13:11.56`	`mickeyl`	`then with every package revision you increase PR`
`13:11.59`	`zecke`	`stealth: but PR = "r0" is set by default`
`13:12.30`	`stealth`	`how is anything set in the .bb file default? im writing it up from the wiki`
`13:13.31`	`hrw\|sad`	`stealth: requiered are DESCRIPTION, SRC_URI, AUTHOR, MAINTAINER, LICENSE, SECTION, HOMEPAGE, DEPENDS, RDEPENDS`
`13:13.52`	`hrw\|sad`	`last two can be omitted if empty`
`13:14.48`	`stealth`	`ok, thank you`
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`13:16.36`	`mickeyl`	`for default settings, read conf/bitbake.conf`
`13:16.40`	`hrw\|sad`	`to build SRC_URI is the only one needed. but to get it into OE all are needed`
`13:17.30`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: have you tried only adding the USB_DEVICE_VER section?`
`13:18.07`	`stealth`	`if i want to build for my ipaq 3765 i should use TARGET_ARCH="sa-linux" ? do i change these variables in bitbake.conf for my program or add them to my programs bb file?`
`13:19.15`	`mickeyl`	`read conf/local.conf.sample`
`13:19.23`	`mickeyl`	`this one recommends not setting TARGET_ARCH, but instead MACHINE`
`13:21.11`	`zmiq`	`bOti: I made a new entry in the (usbnet.c)usb_device_idproducts [] array, and also modified usb.usermap, but usbnet doesn't fire usb0.`
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`13:26.02`	`stealth`	`im trying to bitbake now but I get ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf the perms on it are -rwxr-xr-x ?`
`13:26.14`	`b0ti\|work`	`zmiq: looks like it's more complex then.`
`13:26.28`	`stealth`	`i commented out the last line in local.conf also`
`13:26.42`	`mickeyl`	`what's your BBPATH ?`
`13:27.43`	`zmiq`	`yep. I think there's something more than just setting up a new vendorid/productid; that's why I want to check what a working 2.6.11 has set.`
`13:28.27`	`stealth`	`mickeyl, i dont know, where do i set it, i searched bitbake.conf and local.conf but its not there`
`13:28.57`	`mickeyl`	`did you read getting started on the wiki?`
`13:29.02`	`stealth`	`yes`
`13:29.04`	`mickeyl`	`it would've told you where to set BBPATH`
`13:29.13`	`mickeyl`	`BBPATH is an environment variable`
`13:30.53`	`stealth`	`export BBPATH=/stuff/build/ ?`
`13:31.44`	`mickeyl`	`not bad, but not complete`
`13:31.56`	`mickeyl`	`read GettingStarted again`
`13:34.57`	`stealth`	`I removed the last line from /stuff/build/conf/local.conf but when i bitbake my bb fil i get ERROR: Edit your conf/local.conf: BBFILES NOTE: exceptions.SystemExit:1 while evaluating: ${@bb.fatal('Edit your conf/local.conf: BBFILES')} where else is there a conf/local.conf ?`
`13:35.21`	`lardman`	`I'm confused, I've used this before and it has worked but now I can't pass a var to oe_runmake`
`13:35.32`	`lardman`	oe_runmake 'LIBS = -L${STAGING_LIBDIR} `sdl-config --libs` -lpthread -lz'
`13:35.36`	`stealth`	`oh bbfiles`
`13:36.33`	`stealth`	`arg`
`13:36.36`	`mickeyl`	`LIBS_=_ is wrong`
`13:36.40`	`mickeyl`	`this is shell`
`13:36.43`	`mickeyl`	`LIBS=bla`
`13:36.44`	`lardman`	`no space?`
`13:36.44`	`stealth`	`massive python errors now`
`13:36.44`	`mickeyl`	`no spaecs`
`13:36.51`	`lardman`	`mickeyl: ok, thanks`
`13:37.24`	`b0ti\|work`	`~seen koen`
`13:37.40`	`ibot`	`koen <~koen@cl-148.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7d 53m 59s ago, saying: 'greg72: it was gyongyos, right?'.`
`13:38.32`	`lardman`	`Even without the spaces it doesn't get passed through - are the single quotes ok, or should I stick the stuff after LIBS= in " "?`
`13:39.25`	`mickeyl`	`i usually do`
`13:39.31`	`mickeyl`	`oe_runmake LIBS="foo bar"`
`13:40.09`	`lardman`	`ok, trying that now`
`13:40.49`	`lardman`	`nope, still fails, perhaps something else is happening, I'll do some more digging`
`13:41.15`	`mickeyl`	`note that it's generally hard to pass environment variables into submake`
`13:41.16`	`mickeyl`	`s`
`13:41.25`	`mickeyl`	`you might want to consider to patch the build system instead`
`13:41.40`	`lardman`	`I was hoping this would be a quick job :)`
`13:41.59`	`lardman`	`It's not a submake, just the one Makefile`
`13:42.42`	`lardman`	`I need to pass the linker line the -L for SDL, and I thought that dragging the LIBS assignment into the .bb would be easiest`
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`13:44.42`	`lardman`	`For those who might be interested: Quake1 - http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/quake`
`13:44.59`	`lardman`	`not quite working - linking fails`
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`13:46.38`	`hrw\|sad`	`started bitbake quake`
`13:47.03`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: it almost works, just fails to link`
`13:47.15`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: not sure why my LIBS isn't passed through`
`13:47.42`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: the current failure is to do with a lack of -lm`
`13:48.05`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: but I notice that -lSDL-1.2 also vanished after my mod, so I was working from there`
`13:48.46`	`lardman`	`It also won't package correctly as I don't have an URL for pack0.pack.gz, yet`
`13:48.54`	`lardman`	`s/pack/pak`
`13:50.08`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: x11 building first...`
`13:50.22`	`lardman`	`should be diet-x11 so I'm told`
`13:50.41`	`lardman`	`so XorA tells me - for GPE`
`13:51.59`	`hrw\|sad`	`I set it.`
`13:52.52`	`lardman`	`found pak file: http://mirror1.pdaxrom.org/source/src/pak0.tar.gz`
`13:53.00`	`lardman`	`and have altered my .bb accordingly`
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`13:54.03`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`13:54.17`	`lardman`	`?`
`13:55.09`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: what abour rights to redistribute?`
`13:55.24`	`lardman`	`no idea, but we're not hosting it`
`13:55.45`	`hrw\|sad`	`but will when you will add it into next OZ/FAM/etc release`
`13:55.54`	`lardman`	`ah`
`13:56.17`	`lardman`	`perhaps a postinst script to wget it then`
`13:56.24`	`hrw\|sad`	`look into tickypip-levels for example... I got permission from levels authors to redistribute them`
`13:57.23`	`lardman`	`well for the time being I'd just be happy to see that it works - when it has to be added to the feed I'll look into it`
`13:57.51`	`hrw\|sad`	`sure`
`13:58.37`	`mickeyl`	`probably no need to patch the Makefile`
`13:58.39`	`mickeyl`	`just say`
`13:58.41`	`mickeyl`	`EXTRA_OEMAKE = "-e"`
`13:58.43`	`mickeyl`	`and then`
`13:58.46`	`mickeyl`	`export LIBS = "foo bar"`
`13:59.12`	`hrw\|sad`	`ok. got into linking`
`13:59.14`	`lardman`	`mickeyl: before the patch, it was setting CC=armv5tel-linux-gcc`
`13:59.37`	`lardman`	`which was not working, but if your -e will fix that then I'd be quite happy`
`14:00.03`	`lardman`	`bbiam`
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`14:05.32`	`lardman`	`any ideas?`
`14:05.58`	`lardman`	`(other than how inept I am at writing .bb files of course)`
`14:06.24`	`hrw\|sad`	cd_sdl.c:(.text+0x28): undefined reference to `SDL_CDStatus'
`14:06.55`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: recipe is good but needs tweaking`
`14:07.21`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: that's because -lSDL-1.2 has gone missing from the end of the link line`
`14:07.39`	`hrw\|sad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:08.08`	`hrw\|sad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:08.10`	`lardman`	`If you look in the Makefile, $(LIBS) is on the end of that line - it was defined up the top of Makefile, I moved it out so I could add in -L${STAGING_LIBDIR}`
`14:08.23`	`hrw\|sad`	`SDL_mixer-1.2 is not needed`
`14:08.41`	`lardman`	`Ok, I just copied from the pdaXrom build scritps`
`14:08.57`	`hrw\|sad`	`"ccache arm-linux-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale -s -o quake console.o d_sky.o menu.o pr_edict.o r_misc.o snd_mix.o wad.o cd_sdl.o crc.o d_sprite.o model.o pr_exec.o r_part.o snd_sdl.o world.o chase.o cvar.o d_surf.o net_bsd.o r_aclip.o r_sky.o sv_main.o zone.o cl_demo.o d_edge.o d_vars.o net_dgrm.o r_alias.o r_sprite.o sv_move.o cl_input.o d_fill.o d_zpoint.o net_loop.o r_bsp.o r_surf.o sv_phys.o cl_main.o d_init.o draw.o net_main.o r_draw.o r_vars.o sv_user`
`14:09.03`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: interestingly that video you sent me or Star Wars doesnt play in xine`
`14:09.15`	`hrw\|sad`	`XorA: :(`
`14:09.21`	`lardman`	`XorA: is that the trailer? I had issues with that`
`14:09.27`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: my encoded stuff does play though`
`14:09.33`	`lardman`	`XorA: Mainly because it was very very slow`
`14:09.45`	`XorA`	`lardman: have you seen my howto?`
`14:09.50`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: its trailer of episod III premiere in city here`
`14:10.00`	`lardman`	`XorA: no, what's the URL`
`14:10.06`	`XorA`	`lardman: its on OZ.org`
`14:10.08`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: ok`
`14:10.15`	`lardman`	`XorA: I'll take a look in a bit`
`14:10.39`	`XorA`	`lardman: hrw\|sad made it make sense for me, he is a wiz at the old intellegebility`
`14:10.59`	`lardman`	`:)`
`14:11.14`	`hrw\|sad`	`;)`
`14:11.30`	`hrw\|sad`	`I have to run dict to see does it is good or bad`
`14:11.52`	`hrw\|sad`	`~dict intellegebility`
`14:12.09`	`hrw\|sad`	`~lart xora for not using internet english`
`14:12.18`	`lardman`	`~Intelligibility`
`14:13.08`	`lardman`	`~dict Intelligibility`
`14:13.24`	`lardman`	`pregnancy?`
`14:13.39`	`lardman`	`ibot needs to remove some definitions I think`
`14:14.36`	`XorA`	`pregnant women normally unintelligible`
`14:15.00`	`lardman`	`and normal ones are much better?`
`14:15.13`	`lardman`	`s/normal/not pregnant`
`14:15.16`	`lardman`	`;)`
`14:16.06`	`XorA`	`lardman: well once a month I can understand the word chocolate normally preceded by get me some`
`14:16.15`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: you need to remove cdrom support from quake1 and it will link`
`14:17.10`	`lardman`	`XorA: the word chocolate tends to be one they make a lot of effort to make intelligible of course`
`14:17.32`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: ok, how, also how did you get round my LIB problem?`
`14:17.37`	`lardman`	`s/LIB/LIBS`
`14:17.52`	`hrw\|sad`	`will look`
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`14:18.27`	`chouimat`	`morning`
`14:19.10`	`lardman`	`afternoon`
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`14:24.07`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: s/do_make/do_compile ;)`
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`14:24.26`	`lardman`	`hrw\|sad: lol, I'm an idiot`
`14:30.03`	`hrw\|sad`	lardman: EXTRA_OEMAKE = 'LIBS="-L${STAGING_LIBDIR} -lz -lm -lX11 -lXext -lXau `${STAGING_BINDIR}/sdl-config --libs` "' and remove do_compile() at all
`14:30.27`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: then remove CD support and it should link`
`14:30.50`	`hrw\|sad`	`all I got now are SDL_CD* errors`
`14:33.07`	`lardman`	`just testing`
`14:34.29`	`XorA`	`hrw\|sad: fix SDL to use binconfig then make quake use binconfig and you can remove ${STAGING_BINDIR}/`
`14:34.58`	`hrw\|sad`	`lardman: http://handheldquake.sourceforge.net/ is homepage`
`14:36.23`	`lardman`	`no files there though`
`14:36.38`	`hrw\|sad`	`but cvs xist`
`14:36.51`	`hrw\|sad`	`3 years ol`
`14:36.51`	`hrw\|sad`	`d`
`14:42.01`	`lardman`	`well I cheated and removed the contents of all of the functions in cd_sdl.c and it compiles ok now`
`14:42.19`	`lardman`	`in fact it's produced an ipk too`
`14:43.46`	`lardman`	`Would it be worth enabling CD support in SDL - especially as usb host machines are on the way in?`
`14:45.52`	`hrw\|sad`	`you can remove cd_sdl at all`
`14:45.57`	`hrw\|sad`	\| host.o: In function `_Host_Frame':
`14:45.58`	`hrw\|sad`	\| host.c:(.text+0xd20): undefined reference to `CDAudio_Update'
`14:46.02`	`hrw\|sad`	`etc here`
`14:46.09`	`hrw\|sad`	`CDAudio* errors`
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`15:15.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`anyone else getting quilt errors?`
`15:16.02`	`XorA`	`Luke-Jr: only Im not under one!`
`15:16.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`...`
`15:16.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`XorA: that was a lame joke`
`15:17.10`	`hrw\|sad`	`bye`
`15:17.19`	`hrw\|sad`	`cu wednesday or thursday`
`15:17.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrw\|sad: wait`
`15:17.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrw\|sad: cheer yourself up first!`
`15:17.47`	`hrw\|sad`	`ok`
`15:18.18`	`hrw\|funeral`	`cu`
`15:18.50`	`Luke-Jr`	`bye`
`15:19.20`	`lardman`	`bye hrw`
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`15:25.40`	`lardman`	`mickeyl: could you push quake1 please, it build and packages fine, not tested yet: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/quake`
`15:26.36`	`XorA`	`lardman: how big is the ipk?`
`15:27.10`	`lardman`	`ah`
`15:27.13`	`lardman`	`not big enough`
`15:27.16`	`lardman`	`hang on then`
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`15:27.40`	`XorA`	`quake in 1k, Im impressed :-)`
`15:27.48`	`lardman`	`;)`
`15:28.10`	`lardman`	`I was so suprised that it finally built that I forgot the install was a bit funny`
`15:30.11`	`treke`	`lardman: maybe you should test it before putting it in the repo`
`15:30.27`	`lardman`	`treke: might be an idea, but I don;'t have Quake`
`15:30.34`	`lardman`	`treke: so I can't run it anyway`
`15:31.08`	`lardman`	`treke: I'll stick an ipk up on zug and get someone to tell me if it works, how's that?`
`15:31.17`	`treke`	`good plan`
`15:31.22`	`lardman`	`okay`
`15:31.46`	`XorA`	`lardman: why can you not play it?`
`15:31.50`	`treke`	`though to be honest, I don't think it will work on any devices we support`
`15:31.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`You could only play about 15 minutes because the backlight made the back so hot`
`15:32.02`	`treke`	`which kind of eliminates the purpose of putting it in oe`
`15:32.05`	`lardman`	`XorA: need another pak file with levels, etc.`
`15:32.09`	`XorA`	`treke: pxa255 is easilly fast enough for quake`
`15:32.19`	`XorA`	`lardman: yes, and the first episode is freeware`
`15:32.21`	`treke`	`XorA: we'll see :)`
`15:32.26`	`lardman`	`treke: works on pdaXrom, hence my wanting to add it`
`15:32.30`	`XorA`	`treke: I have played quake on my Z`
`15:41.49`	`mickeyl`	`added quake`
`15:41.59`	`mickeyl`	`did some slight improvements to the .bb`
`15:42.12`	`lardman`	`doesn't work quite yet, sorry for the premature request`
`15:42.24`	`lardman`	`in fact I'm suprised it works for the pdaXrom lot - the install bit`
`15:42.30`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`15:42.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`lardman: dl it from me? O.o`
`15:42.46`	`mickeyl`	`i packaged /usr/bin/quake`
`15:43.07`	`lardman`	`in do_package?`
`15:43.12`	`mickeyl`	`nah`
`15:43.15`	`mickeyl`	`do_install`
`15:43.24`	`lardman`	`ok, wonderful, thanks`
`15:43.32`	`lardman`	`I was still cursing the Makefile`
`15:43.50`	`mickeyl`	`i also removed one hunk of your makefile patch which isn't necessary`
`15:44.03`	`lardman`	`okay, what was that?`
`15:44.14`	`lardman`	`something inside a #define?`
`15:44.25`	`lardman`	`or an #if even`
`15:44.31`	`mickeyl`	`-CC=armv5tel-linux-gcc`
`15:44.31`	`mickeyl`	`-CXX=armv5tel-linux-g++`
`15:44.31`	`mickeyl`	`-CFLAGS=-Os -DHAVE_ZLIB -DNO_DEBUG -finline-functions -fomit-frame-pointer`
`15:44.31`	`mickeyl`	`-CXXFLAGS=-Os -DHAVE_ZLIB -DNO_DEBUG -finline-functions -fomit-frame-pointer`
`15:44.36`	`mickeyl`	`all this isn't necessary`
`15:44.43`	`mickeyl`	`instead just supply EXTRA_OEMAKE = "-e"`
`15:44.44`	`lardman`	`ok`
`15:45.01`	`lardman`	`what does that do? Overrides?`
`15:45.05`	`mickeyl`	`man make`
`15:45.06`	`mickeyl`	`:)`
`15:45.15`	`lardman`	`just thought of that :)`
`15:45.21`	`Luke-Jr`	`lardman: ?`
`15:45.33`	`lardman`	`Luke-Jr: yes`
`15:45.51`	`mickeyl`	`bbl`
`15:45.54`	`Luke-Jr`	`why not dl the pak?`
`15:46.22`	`lardman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:46.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`ah`
`15:46.38`	`Noodles`	`Excellent. My wireless problems /were/ hardware. I've just got a Linksys CF card, plugged it in and it's Just Worked.`
`15:47.04`	`lardman`	`pak0, should be in ${WORKDIR} - it should either be removed if it's decided that it can't be distributed legally, or added via do_install`
`15:48.34`	`Luke-Jr`	`lardman: so it's testedddddd?`
`15:48.58`	`lardman`	`Luke-Jr: nope, not yet`
`15:55.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`ooh fun`
`15:55.09`	`Luke-Jr`	`USBnet works again`
`16:00.13`	`lardman`	`If there's anyone with a build set to produce arm4 code, could they build quake and I'll see if I can get it tested (I'm set for c7x0 atm)`
`16:01.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`arm4 = ipaq?`
`16:01.50`	`lardman`	`arm4 is SA, which for me is Collie, some of the older iPAQs too I think`
`16:02.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`ah`
`16:02.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`~collie`
`16:02.30`	`ibot`	`methinks collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog`
`16:02.53`	`Luke-Jr`	`collie can still use the same feed as c7x0?`
`16:03.55`	`lardman`	`not if you've built the packages with MACHINE="c7x0" as it produces arm5 afaik`
`16:04.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`so... the OZ feeds are inferior packages?`
`16:04.57`	`lardman`	`lowest common denominator?`
`16:05.15`	`lardman`	`yes, but I understand that there's not much speed difference between the two atm`
`16:05.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`of course, if Sharp released a new Z w/ floating-point support... that'd be quite a big diff, I think`
`16:06.05`	`Noodles`	`It'd have to be non ARM probably.`
`16:06.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`if I change DISTRO, should I start w/ a new build dir?`
`16:06.20`	`Luke-Jr`	`Noodles: why not ARM w/ fp?`
`16:06.34`	`Noodles`	`Although ARM have FP support apparently no one really wants it on their cores because there's so much soft float support for the older stuff anyway.`
`16:08.09`	`Luke-Jr`	`like maybe ARM w/ fp and Radeon 9200 video or something`
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`16:09.12`	`aoe`	`and a battery life of 35 minutes?`
`16:09.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`lol`
`16:09.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`ok, so maybe the video chipset was a bad pick =p`
`16:10.02`	`Luke-Jr`	`but still, it seems like a community-driven handheld would have better hw choices than Sharp's`
`16:10.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`just don't ask Luke-Jr for video card stuff =p`
`16:10.34`	`treke`	`why is that? Sharp does a pretty good job with their hardware`
`16:10.57`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: so there's no market for builtin WiFi?`
`16:11.15`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: I don't know what the market for built in wifi is in japan`
`16:11.17`	`treke`	`maybe not`
`16:11.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`WiFi covers pretty much all Japan, last I checked`
`16:11.40`	`aoe`	`what, virtually all sl-6000 have builtin wifi ... I know mine has`
`16:11.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`something like 10 MBit WiFi internet for $40 or so`
`16:11.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: 6000 are more like PDAs than handhelds`
`16:11.59`	`aoe`	`(though usb wlan sucks, but at least it's there)`
`16:12.46`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: otoh, it has usb-host, so I just carry around a happy hacking keyboard to go with it`
`16:12.49`	`Noodles`	`A community handheld is hard to build given the small form factor.`
`16:12.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: and you do this while standing?`
`16:12.57`	`treke`	`hehe`
`16:13.05`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: erm, no`
`16:13.10`	`aoe`	`:)`
`16:13.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`Noodles: That's why it doesn't already exist, i expect`
`16:13.28`	`aoe`	`I'm afraid there's no market for community-driven hardware`
`16:13.32`	`Noodles`	`Anyone who produces one will have to charge more than more people would pay.`
`16:13.50`	`aoe`	`ack`
`16:13.57`	`treke`	`Noodles: yeah. we've seen that before`
`16:14.24`	`aoe`	`low volume electronics are just expensive unless they use off-the-shelf components and cheapo cases`
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`16:15.03`	`treke`	`people with the knowledge to design a pda and the willingness/ability to do the work isn't that common either`
`16:15.17`	`aoe`	`think agenda vr3, in case anyone remembers ... and that was still a relatively nice machine in spite of the case and occasional hw hangups`
`16:15.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: you're assuming low-volume`
`16:15.58`	`aoe`	`also there was the itsy project, though I never heard of anyone actually building one`
`16:16.21`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: that'd be the problem`
`16:16.22`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: I am, since I'm afraid not enough pda hackers would be willing to spend the $$$`
`16:16.56`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: low volume is a fair assumption`
`16:16.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`hence why I said "if there will ever be enough people"`
`16:17.15`	`treke`	`ok, then we can just answer your question with no :)`
`16:17.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: users might include more than just the hackers`
`16:17.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: aww`
`16:17.44`	`treke`	`users like palmos and pocketpc. Those are available cheaply and do what most people want`
`16:17.57`	`treke`	`look at the zaurus`
`16:18.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`it needs to be imported ;)`
`16:18.12`	`treke`	`no`
`16:18.15`	`treke`	`it was sold in the us`
`16:18.17`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: if oe gets the publicity first, it might just be possible to construct a pda for the distro, but as of yet that does not seem to have happened`
`16:18.18`	`treke`	`it just didn't sell`
`16:18.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`even in this small town, people have seemed interested`
`16:18.28`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: I mean the handheld-style Zaurii`
`16:18.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`I couldn't care less for a PDA`
`16:18.43`	`treke`	`It was also designed by a company with a signficant amount of experience designing pdas`
`16:19.29`	`treke`	`yet it sold for how long? three or four months?`
`16:19.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: only the PDAs sold`
`16:19.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`not the handhelds`
`16:19.42`	`treke`	`the market has shifted away from handhelds.`
`16:19.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`because handhelds aren't available`
`16:20.00`	`treke`	`and why aren't they available?`
`16:20.09`	`Luke-Jr`	`nobody sells em?`
`16:20.18`	`treke`	`and why does no one sell them?`
`16:20.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`they`
`16:20.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`they're all scared that it won't be popular`
`16:20.38`	`treke`	`lets try looking at it this way`
`16:20.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`I've never seen anyone try in the US`
`16:20.41`	`treke`	`they did sell them`
`16:20.42`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: btw, off topic again, but the sl-6000 keyboard is quite usable, except you occasionally have to use the virtual keyboard for brackets, braces and the like`
`16:20.55`	`treke`	`pdas sold better`
`16:21.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: but the form just isn't there`
`16:21.07`	`treke`	`so they decided the clamshell form factor was not the way to go`
`16:21.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: when? I've never seen a handheld at a store`
`16:21.26`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: I've seen many`
`16:21.28`	`treke`	`the jornada`
`16:21.31`	`treke`	`the clie`
`16:21.41`	`treke`	`hp had one long ago`
`16:22.01`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: you mean, it's not available in the US any more?`
`16:22.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: ?`
`16:22.10`	`lardman`	`mickey\|away: what did you and b0ti\|work conclude about how to patch the kernel (sl811_hcd.c)?`
`16:22.20`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: Jornada and Clie were as produced as PDAs?`
`16:22.26`	`lardman`	`mickey\|away: I see the files are in cfu1, but unused afaict`
`16:22.29`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: or did you mean you preferred clamshell?`
`16:22.40`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: clamshell`
`16:22.46`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: they were produced in both form factors`
`16:22.52`	`Luke-Jr`	`for one thing, it protects the screen much better`
`16:22.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: in the same quantities`
`16:22.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`?`
`16:23.09`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: beats me. I don't work for sony or hp`
`16:23.20`	`treke`	`they were readilly available`
`16:23.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`I don't see why people would buy PDAs when they can get a handheld that rotates to PDA-style...`
`16:23.36`	`treke`	`that's because you aren't anything close to normal`
`16:23.36`	`aoe`	`stability`
`16:23.47`	`aoe`	`anything that rotates will break sooner or later`
`16:23.48`	`treke`	`understand that and life makes much more sense`
`16:24.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: but they could leave it PDA-rotated 99% of the time and get the same effect`
`16:24.24`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: I'm glad I'm not. most normal people are idiots`
`16:24.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: or is that your point?`
`16:24.33`	`treke`	`no`
`16:24.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`I don't think anyone in this channel would be considered 'normal' =p`
`16:25.01`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: aren't the rotating clamshell versions even fatter than the 5000/6000?`
`16:25.13`	`treke`	`aoe: the 5000 yes`
`16:25.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: never seen the 5000/6000`
`16:25.19`	`treke`	`aoe: but not really signficantly`
`16:25.26`	`treke`	`I've not seen a 6000`
`16:25.30`	`treke`	`in person`
`16:25.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`my C760 is pretty thin...`
`16:25.50`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: still, I agree the clamshell version seems intrigueing (never handled one myself, I went for the 6000 because it had builtin wifi and bluetooth)`
`16:26.05`	`treke`	`the c760 is by far much larger than other pdas though`
`16:26.10`	`Luke-Jr`	`c760 is about 2/3 of an inch`
`16:26.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`fits in my pocket fine...`
`16:26.36`	`treke`	`Luke-Jr: go back to the you aren't normal`
`16:26.37`	`stealth`	`i like my 3765, be nice if i could get pdfs working though`
`16:26.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`3765?!?!`
`16:26.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`wtf is that?`
`16:26.56`	`stealth`	`:D`
`16:27.01`	`stealth`	`old ass ipaq`
`16:27.07`	`treke`	`too damn big`
`16:27.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`I'd prefer the largest clamshell design that can fit in my pocket well =p`
`16:27.42`	`aoe`	`the 6000 is ~ 20 mm (0.75 in), a bit more with the screen protector`
`16:27.48`	`treke`	`glasses. zaurus. phone. keys. knife`
`16:27.52`	`treke`	`gets awfully heavy`
`16:27.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: screen protector takes up room? O.o`
`16:27.56`	`stealth`	`i agree with aoe though, anything that rotates/hinge will break eventually`
`16:28.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: tie/belt your pants?`
`16:28.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: drop the phone =p`
`16:28.59`	`treke`	`big bad`
`16:29.01`	`treke`	`small good`
`16:29.31`	`stealth`	`too small makes it unreadable`
`16:29.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`both big and small bad`
`16:29.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`moderation good`
`16:30.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: my Z acts as my phone :)`
`16:30.22`	`stealth`	`we just need oled retinas, and pc104 modules embedded into our thighs`
`16:30.22`	`treke`	`if I dumped the zaurus I could start carrying my camera`
`16:30.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`yay VoIP over WiFi`
`16:30.40`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: tell Sharp to add a camera to the back of the screen =p`
`16:31.21`	`treke`	`I'd rather have a not complete shit camera`
`16:31.50`	`treke`	`neither am I`
`16:31.53`	`lardman`	`Noodles: ?`
`16:32.29`	`treke`	Pro Non Shit Built in pda/phone cameras
`16:32.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`lol`
`16:32.57`	`Luke-Jr`	`so find a non-crap webcam`
`16:33.02`	`Luke-Jr`	`one of those tiny USB ones`
`16:33.13`	`Noodles`	`lardman: The changeset that adds Quake changes a handful of Apache files.`
`16:33.18`	`treke`	`we apparantly have differening opinions of non crap`
`16:33.42`	`lardman`	`Noodles: Looks like mickeyl was multitasking then :)`
`16:35.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke: probably`
`16:35.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`I have a very utilitiarian view of cameras`
`16:36.17`	`aoe`	`as for the screen protector, see http://tigerente.htu.tuwien.ac.at/~aoe/cimg0546.jpg (caveat, almost 3 Mo)`
`16:36.30`	`treke`	`I do also`
`16:36.46`	`treke`	`but part of that view is that the camera should take a fairly good picture`
`16:36.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`meaning if I see one, I get the heck out of its view`
`16:37.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`aoe: mine is a thin plastic sheet`
`16:37.47`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrm`
`16:37.59`	`Luke-Jr`	`my Apache suddenly decided to deny permission to all my symlinked stuff`
`16:38.49`	`aoe`	`Luke-Jr: ok, I was being unlcear, what I meant was the hard plastic protective cover hovering 2 mm above the screen that with a clamshell design you would not even need - provided you always carefully fold your handheld back up (which in turn will wear out the hinge ...)`
`16:40.12`	`stealth`	`yea the acctual lcd on my ipaq is slightly recessed, guess the digitizer takes up most.. the newer ipaqs are better with that`
`16:40.28`	`stealth`	`much more crisp`
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`17:01.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`anyway`
`17:01.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`if I change DISTRO, do I need to redo my build dir?`
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`17:51.13`	`pb_`	`evening all`
`17:51.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`hello`
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`18:08.35`	`mickeyl`	`lardman\|gone: we decided to leave it as external module package until we have some users confirming it works reasonably. then submit it to lkml`
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`18:10.19`	`mickeyl`	`hmm`
`18:10.25`	`nathan_`	`does anyone know why apmd_proxy would not be properly called when using the power button in the rear of an 860 or what actually handles the button interrupt? (openzaurus/gpe)`
`18:10.28`	`mickeyl`	`anyone tried to power an Archos Jukebox Recorder through a Zaurus USB ?`
`18:10.58`	`mickeyl`	`nathan_: if it's not getting called, it's a kernel bug. the kernel catches this button`
`18:11.22`	`mickeyl`	`it does run here, though`
`18:11.27`	`nathan_`	`mickeyl, do you know how it is dispatched to userspace normally?`
`18:11.40`	`nathan_`	`mickeyl, yours is working properly?`
`18:11.49`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, it calls the scripts here`
`18:11.59`	`mickeyl`	`when i add a sleep 5, it sleeps 5 seconds before turning off`
`18:12.07`	`mickeyl`	`oz 3.5.3, kernel 2.6.11`
`18:12.23`	`nathan_`	`ah ok I'm on 2.4.18`
`18:12.45`	`mickeyl`	`ah, yes, it's a known bug on 2.4.18-lart-lineo-embedix-mega-hell-edition`
`18:12.51`	`pb_`	`heh`
`18:13.08`	`nathan_`	`darn, and I just got my bluetooth and wifi to play nicely`
`18:13.18`	`pb_`	`I guess you could be forgiven for overlooking it among the list of other known bugs, though`
`18:13.25`	`nathan_`	`not sure I want to take on 2.6 right now, i guess i will learn to type apm -s`
`18:13.31`	`mickeyl`	`pb_: no kidding :D`
`18:13.45`	`nathan_`	`i did make an attempt to check the bugs database but it says its closed`
`18:13.51`	`mickeyl`	`on c7x0, i don't see a reason not to use 2.6.11`
`18:13.58`	`mickeyl`	`apart from you being a LED-junkey`
`18:16.26`	`nathan_`	`i guess i will give it a shot`
`18:17.00`	`B0Ti`	`nathan_: 2.6.11 is pretty good on c860 (and plenty of stuff to hack on)`
`18:28.03`	`nathan_`	`hmm well aside from my screen being upside down it appears to be booting fine`
`18:32.45`	`pb_`	`very good`
`18:32.55`	`pb_`	`you can work around the screen problem by turning the machine the other way up`
`18:33.30`	`nathan_`	`oh that righted itself once the gui fully loaded, now working on why the touchscreen doesnt appear to be working :)`
`18:39.14`	`mickeyl`	`i guess you should try a 2.6 rootfs`
`18:39.40`	`pb_`	`aren't 2.6 and 2.4 meant to be compatible nowadays?`
`18:40.15`	`mickeyl`	`ya, they should be`
`18:40.35`	`nathan_`	`so I take it that going from a 3.5.3 GPE image and then reflashing with just the 2.6 zImage isnt the right path`
`18:40.43`	`mickeyl`	`oh we're talking about GPE ?`
`18:40.49`	`mickeyl`	`then I recommend a current OE build`
`18:40.53`	`nathan_`	`yea sorry`
`18:40.56`	`mickeyl`	`GPE as found in 3.5.3 has bugs with 2.6`
`18:40.59`	`mickeyl`	`which are fixed since`
`18:41.05`	`mickeyl`	`have been, even`
`18:41.21`	`nathan_`	`2.6 came for free in 3.5.3 OPIE i believe`
`18:41.37`	`pb_`	`ah, right`
`18:41.46`	`mickeyl`	`right. i forgot about GPE. i though you were using Opie with 2.4 for some obscure reason`
`18:41.53`	`pb_`	`yeah, there were some gpe bugs with 2.6 back at the time 3.5.3 was done`
`18:42.14`	`nathan_`	`im not that much of a masochist`
`18:42.44`	`nathan_`	`i used an image from rpsys.net/openzaurus/ which i thought was reasonably current`
`18:42.53`	`nathan_`	`i dont have a build environment right now`
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`18:44.19`	`florian_`	`hi all`
`18:45.13`	`mickeyl`	`hi florian`
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`19:00.10`	`mickeyl`	`finally`
`19:00.17`	`mickeyl`	`i wondered how you could stand it all the time`
`19:00.31`	`mickeyl`	`sometimes i've got the impression you would've been converted by them :/`
`19:00.56`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`19:00.59`	`ljp`	`nope`
`19:01.21`	`ljp`	`i feel like I am standing on a wall with 4 sides`
`19:01.29`	`mickeyl`	`heh`
`19:01.33`	`mickeyl`	`not a pleasant place to be`
`19:01.42`	`ljp`	`sometimes, ya`
`19:01.58`	`mickeyl`	`did you think it would've been like that?`
`19:02.09`	`mickeyl`	`s/'ve been/be/`
`19:05.09`	`ljp`	`didnt know wtf I was getting into`
`19:05.14`	`mickeyl`	`hehe`
`19:05.33`	`ljp`	`at least my work from day to day varies...`
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`19:07.34`	`nathan_`	`do current 2.6 binaries for GPE or do I need to build it myself?`
`19:08.09`	`mickeyl`	`the latter`
`19:08.25`	`mickeyl`	`if you manage to build a nice gpe image we can release that`
`19:08.29`	`nathan_`	`i guess i shall leave this project for a weekend`
`19:09.17`	`nathan_`	`mickeyl, I assume you are running OPIE?`
`19:09.28`	`mickeyl`	`most of the time, yes`
`19:09.38`	`mickeyl`	`this is because I'm a developer of that project`
`19:09.44`	`mickeyl`	`hard to get time diving into gpe`
`19:10.28`	`nathan_`	`I had problems with the usbnet on opie which is what caused me to switch to gpe`
`19:10.46`	`nathan_`	`more of a kernel problem than gpe/opie but the openzaurus gpe worked nicely out of the box`
`19:10.58`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, this is because of the kernel`
`19:11.06`	`mickeyl`	`probably already fixed in 2.6.12-rc<whatever>`
`19:11.25`	`mickeyl`	`however, rumours have it that X rulez the pda planet and I may be looking into that soon`
`19:11.30`	`mickeyl`	`shrug`
`19:11.43`	`pb_`	`yah, the rumours are all true`
`19:11.50`	`mickeyl`	`hehe`
`19:11.54`	`nathan_`	`i would have put my money on palm or pocketpc :)`
`19:12.04`	`nathan_`	`palmos/wince rather`
`19:12.22`	`mickeyl`	`yah, well, the linux pda planet of course. small scale .)`
`19:15.45`	`jh_`	`mickeyl: have you noticed the Ctrl key emitting ctrl-b in Opie (on spitz/akita)?`
`19:16.22`	`pb_`	`wow, running bitkeeper over nfs over the internet is no fun`
`19:16.39`	`pb_`	`not that running bitkeeper is exactly fun under any circumstances, but this is definitely no fun`
`19:17.11`	`mickeyl`	`jh_: yeah, i think this happens on all clamshell models with Opie`
`19:19.34`	`jh_`	`mickeyl: ah, ok. sounds like a fun one to track down`
`19:23.12`	`mickeyl`	`ya, keyboard handling all over the stack from kernel GPIO up to Opie still has some rough edges`
`19:23.32`	`mickeyl`	`it's getting better though`
`19:23.41`	`mickeyl`	`the kernel keymap handler was a big step forward`
`19:26.23`	`florian_`	`g`
`19:27.49`	`florian_`	`tapo told me he intended to switch to opie because of usbnet troubles ;-)`
`19:28.26`	`tapo`	`florian_: no! no! :)`
`19:29.16`	`florian_`	`tapo: sure? ;)`
`19:29.23`	`tapo`	`opie is unusable like gpe, but I think there's more one can do in gpe... and is has X, and X rulez the pda planet!`
`19:29.32`	`tapo`	`is/it`
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`19:29.57`	`florian_`	`yeah :-)`
`19:31.33`	`nathan_`	`my GPE install can't produce an upper case y`
`19:32.05`	`tapo`	`nathan_: Y`
`19:32.09`	`florian_`	`tapo: hey you are an IT professional... i'm convinced you can help both gpe and opie :-)`
`19:32.42`	`tapo`	`florian_: It took three days to understand openembedded is **** :)`
`19:32.51`	`Noodles`	`mickeyl: I finally upgraded to the new opie that fixes the cursor keys. Excellent work.`
`19:32.57`	`Noodles`	`jh_: I see the Ctrl-B, yes.`
`19:33.07`	`Noodles`	`Only under OPIE, not on the console though.`
`19:34.44`	`mickeyl`	`Noodles: thanks :)`
`19:35.06`	`mickeyl`	`ctrl and alt needs some more love @ qte layer`
`19:35.15`	`Noodles`	`I think my Z might finally be usable again. :)`
`19:35.32`	`Noodles`	`Yeah. Weird foo going on there.`
`19:35.57`	`mickeyl`	`eventually we'll also want to do something meaningful with FN+1 ... FN+4`
`19:36.44`	`nathan_`	`tapo, I take it that yours can produce a Y?`
`19:37.15`	`Noodles`	`Yeah. I think I want Fn+Up and Fn+Down to be PgUp/PgDown as that seems logical.`
`19:37.20`	`jh_`	`Noodles: thanks for the info on dump/loadkeys. added a few bindings (pageup/down, end, home)`
`19:37.28`	`tapo`	`nathan_: yes, with stylus in virtual keyboard. cannot remove it from socket, sorry`
`19:37.36`	`Noodles`	`I also wonder what to do with the 2 Japanese keys. Alt and something I guess.`
`19:38.00`	`nathan_`	`I swear, my vanilla install of OZ 3.5.3 GPE cannot produce an upper case Y`
`19:38.08`	`nathan_`	`from the keyboard that is`
`19:38.28`	`pb_`	`yah, alt, mode-switch, multi-key, meta, something like that.`
`19:38.31`	`pb_`	`or learn Japanese, of course.`
`19:38.45`	`tapo`	`nathan_: did you do a #reboot?`
`19:38.50`	`florian_`	`:-)`
`19:38.55`	`pb_`	`nathan_: that's very strange. what does xev say when you try to type one?`
`19:39.10`	`pb_`	`tapo: heh, #reboot sounds like a dangerous channel to join`
`19:39.18`	`nathan_`	`tapo, reproduceable across numerous reboots`
`19:40.06`	`florian_`	`g`
`19:40.25`	`tapo`	`pb_: #reboot is ok, but dont go to #crash`
`19:41.21`	`nathan_`	`dont have xev installed, hang`
`19:41.28`	`nathan_`	`how strange, even the virtual keyboard cannot produce one`
`19:42.14`	`tapo`	`hmm`
`19:44.06`	`florian_`	`nathan_: you van use xev from a remote machine`
`19:44.14`	`florian_`	`s/van/can`
`19:44.25`	`pb_`	`nathan_: you might try killing keylaunch, just in case it is screwing you up somehow`
`19:44.53`	`Luke-Jr`	`keylaunch is evil, ATM`
`19:45.14`	`florian_`	`right...`
`19:45.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`BTW`
`19:45.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`OZ 3.5.3 never did capital Y for me either`
`19:45.43`	`Luke-Jr`	`I always got "DISPLAy=..."`
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`19:48.20`	`nathan_`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/2ObP8R33.html`
`19:48.32`	`nathan_`	`xev with a shift y`
`19:49.02`	`nathan_`	`killed keylaunch, no diff`
`19:49.14`	`nathan_`	`Luke-Jr, yep exactly the same problem`
`19:49.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: it's a 3.5.3 bug =p`
`19:49.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`works fine w/ an OE build`
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`19:49.52`	`nathan_`	`yep worked fine with pdaXrom and cacko for me`
`19:50.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickeyl: re FN+1 etc, F1 etc would be nice :)`
`19:50.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`mickeyl: or perhaps actually do the actions`
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`19:50.31`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: neither of those are OE-related, AFIAK`
`19:50.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: Cxx0?`
`19:51.01`	`nathan_`	`yep 860`
`19:51.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`find out which app is bad and you can grab an update from my feed =p`
`19:51.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`maybe the X server, dunno`
`19:51.48`	`nathan_`	`Luke-Jr, where can I find your feed?`
`19:52.01`	`Luke-Jr`	`http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/feed/ for now`
`19:52.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`I'm considering doing some OE-fork images`
`19:52.24`	`Luke-Jr`	`OZ-fork*`
`19:53.38`	`nathan_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:53.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`apm problem?`
`19:54.29`	`nathan_`	`Luke-Jr, when the power button is pushed to suspend the apmd-proxy scripts are never called (I dont think apmd is ever notified) - apparently a kernel bug`
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`19:55.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`o`
`19:55.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`I didn't notice =p`
`19:55.56`	`nathan_`	`yea i only noticed because the bluetooth hciattach wasn't being properly called on resume`
`19:56.05`	`nathan_`	`and cardctl resume never happened`
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`20:01.31`	`reenoo_`	`evening`
`20:02.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/ :)`
`20:02.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: I'll have an image up in a bit`
`20:02.45`	`nathan_`	`Luke-Jr, i dont imagine you have a 2.6 kernel for that?`
`20:02.51`	`nathan_`	`..functional one that is :)`
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`20:04.16`	`reenoo_`	`Luke-Jr: make sure to provide sources along with that`
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`20:05.59`	`Pigi`	`Ciao all`
`20:06.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`nathan_: It's all 2.6`
`20:06.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: meh`
`20:06.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: a simple symlink to the work dir`
`20:09.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: happy? see? nothing special =p`
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`20:10.45`	`Luke-Jr`	`even my non-used BB cache is there :)`
`20:11.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`come to think of it... does OZ have source available?`
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`20:14.55`	`reenoo_`	`Luke-Jr: I guess people would prefer if you symlinked to your DL_DIR instead`
`20:15.04`	`reenoo_`	`s/if/it if/`
`20:15.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: that wont always have everything`
`20:15.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`and it's all available elsewhere`
`20:16.05`	`reenoo_`	`hmm`
`20:16.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`I dont have too much interest mirroring already common srcs`
`20:18.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: are you by some chance looking to find a problem with my fork?`
`20:18.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: if it will comfort you, I don't plan on doing any real promotion for it`
`20:19.02`	`reenoo_`	`heh. no`
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`20:19.19`	`reenoo_`	`OE is designed to allow you to fork easily`
`20:21.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`just seemed a bit picky to be noting sources when (AFAICT) OZ doesn't even link them...`
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`20:22.03`	`reenoo_`	`if the OZ people don't distribute sources they're violating the GPL just like anybody else doing so`
`20:22.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`assuming everything (or majority) is GPL'd...`
`20:23.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`as far as I can tell, there's no OZ sources... but they're easy to get so I really don't see a problem with it`
`20:24.07`	`reenoo_`	`trust me. the fsf will. sooner or later.`
`20:24.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`doubt it`
`20:24.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`FSF doesn't demand anything unreasonable`
`20:24.57`	`reenoo_`	`heh. guess why the 3.2 OZ feeds aren't available any more`
`20:25.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`no clue`
`20:25.15`	`florian_`	`yeah.. it doesn't make sense to struggle with the projects.`
`20:26.21`	`reenoo_`	`Luke-Jr: no sources. the fsf people didn't like that for obvious reasons`
`20:27.58`	`reenoo_`	`Luke-Jr: it doesn't matter if sources are available from another server now. they tend to vanish for no apparent reason. just think of how often SRC_URIs have to be fixed in OE.`
`20:31.16`	`reenoo_`	`~today`
`20:31.17`	`ibot`	`I don't know what today is, but it probably sucks.`
`20:31.27`	`Luke-Jr`	`reenoo_: you mean like the torrent I'm trying to get?`
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`20:34.14`	`reenoo_`	`Luke-Jr: nm`
`20:35.05`	`Luke-Jr`	`lol`
`20:46.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`hrm`
`20:46.35`	`Luke-Jr`	`msnbot likes to spam me`
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`21:41.43`	`zmiq`	`hi, is anyone available to apply a patch to a module (8250) for oz3.5.3/2.6 and have it compiled for me? I'm trying to solve a problem with a socket bluetooth card ...`
`21:43.50`	`mickey\|tv`	`show me the patch`
`21:44.31`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.33`	`zmiq`	`+++ 8250.c 2005-03-05 15:01:34.000000000 +0100`
`21:44.34`	`zmiq`	`@@ -1604,7 +1604,7 @@`
`21:44.35`	kbot`	`zmiq: Error: "@" is not a valid command.`
`21:44.36`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.37`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.39`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.40`	`zmiq`	`- unsigned int baud, quot;`
`21:44.42`	`zmiq`	`+ unsigned int baud, quot, max_baud;`
`21:44.43`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.45`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.46`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.48`	`zmiq`	`@@ -1636,9 +1636,29 @@`
`21:44.48`	kbot`	`zmiq: Error: "@" is not a valid command.`
`21:44.50`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.51`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.53`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.54`	`zmiq`	`- baud = uart_get_baud_rate(port, termios, old, 0, port->uartclk/16);`
`21:44.56`	`zmiq`	`+ max_baud = (up->port.type == PORT_16C950 ? port->uartclk/4 : port->uartclk/16);`
`21:44.57`	`zmiq`	`+ baud = uart_get_baud_rate(port, termios, old, 0, max_baud);`
`21:44.59`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.00`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.02`	`zmiq`	`+ /*`
`21:45.04`	`zmiq`	`+ * 16C950 supports additional prescaler ratios between 1:16 and 1:4`
`21:45.05`	`zmiq`	`+ * thus increasing max baud rate to uartclk/4. The following was taken`
`21:45.07`	`zmiq`	`+ * from kernel 2.4 by Mathias Adam <a2@ad...> to make the Socket`
`21:45.08`	`mickey\|tv`	`d'oh. next time please use pastebin.ca`
`21:45.09`	`zmiq`	`+ * Bluetooth CF Card work under 2.6.11.`
`21:45.11`	`zmiq`	`+ * (Patch might have other side effects so be careful!)`
`21:45.14`	`zmiq`	`+ */`
`21:45.15`	`zmiq`	`+ if (up->port.type == PORT_16C950) {`
`21:45.18`	`zmiq`	`+ unsigned int baud_base = port->uartclk/16;`
`21:45.19`	`zmiq`	`+ if (baud <= port->uartclk/16)`
`21:45.21`	`zmiq`	`+ serial_icr_write(up, UART_TCR, 0);`
`21:45.23`	`zmiq`	`+ else if (baud <= port->uartclk/8) {`
`21:45.26`	`zmiq`	`+ serial_icr_write(up, UART_TCR, 0x8);`
`21:45.26`	`mickey\|tv`	`stoooop`
`21:45.27`	`zmiq`	`+ } else if (baud <= port->uartclk/4) {`
`21:45.29`	`zmiq`	`+ serial_icr_write(up, UART_TCR, 0x4);`
`21:45.31`	`zmiq`	`+ } else`
`21:45.33`	`zmiq`	`+ serial_icr_write(up, UART_TCR, 0);`
`21:45.36`	`zmiq`	`+ }`
`21:45.37`	`zmiq`	`+`
`21:45.40`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.41`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.43`	`zmiq`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.47`	`zmiq`	`already sent. sorry for that`
`21:45.50`	`mickey\|tv`	`heh`
`21:46.00`	`mickey\|tv`	`ok, where can i download that?`
`21:46.14`	`mickey\|tv`	`tried if it applies to 8250 yet ?`
`21:46.17`	`zmiq`	`it's in oesf, just posted there too`
`21:46.23`	`mickey\|tv`	`gimme alink`
`21:46.43`	`zmiq`	`http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9082&st=0&p=78621&#entry78621`
`21:47.03`	`mickey\|tv`	`hmm`
`21:47.09`	`mickey\|tv`	`dunno if that retains the proper symbols`
`21:47.14`	`mickey\|tv`	`i'll try to apply it`
`21:48.11`	`zmiq`	`thanks; I've been following this all day (and night now)`
`21:49.15`	`mickey\|tv`	`both hunks fail`
`21:49.18`	`mickey\|tv`	`i guess because of the format`
`21:49.47`	`mickey\|tv`	`posting to a web forum destroys the patch`
`21:50.24`	`mickey\|tv`	`i could apply it manually but i lack the time atm.`
`21:50.32`	`mickey\|tv`	`will come back to that in a two hours`
`21:50.33`	`zmiq`	`1) anything I can do? 2) I understand that changes are not applied in already availbla module, so I still have hope to have it working ...`
`21:50.55`	`mickey\|tv`	`i just need a .patch that applies cleanly`
`21:51.11`	`mickey\|tv`	`which means, not thrashing the format of the patch`
`21:51.27`	`mickey\|tv`	`I'll be back in an hour`
`21:52.02`	`zmiq`	`ok.`
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`22:00.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`hmm`
`22:00.24`	`Luke-Jr`	`I don't have a desktop =p`
`22:07.15`	`pb_`	`hi treke`
`22:16.09`	`XorA\|gone`	`zmiq: patch applied,kernel building`
`22:16.47`	`zmiq`	`uhm... thanks; it's 00:14 here, and my caffeine dose was getting low`
`22:17.03`	`XorA`	`old 23:15 ish here`
`22:17.05`	`XorA`	`only`
`22:23.52`	`XorA`	`zmiq: http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/zImage-c7x0-20050506221952.bin`
`22:24.30`	`zmiq`	`xora: can't you just provide the 8250 module alone? Do I have to reflash the whole ?`
`22:24.40`	`XorA`	`zmiq: is it amodule?`
`22:24.46`	`zmiq`	`yep.`
`22:24.57`	`XorA`	`zmiq: Ill give yah the .ipk then`
`22:25.12`	`zmiq`	`uhm.. that's more than what i can ask ...`
`22:25.48`	`zmiq`	`in the upgrades feed there's already a ipk, that I guess doesn't have that patch applied`
`22:25.53`	`XorA`	`zmiq: http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/kernel-module-8250_2.6.11-r17_c7x0.ipk`
`22:26.39`	`zmiq`	`the -r17 won't affect anything, since all my stuff is -r16 ?`
`22:27.58`	`XorA`	`zmiq: shouldnt do`
`22:28.12`	`XorA`	`zmiq: I just bumped it to stop myself getting confuseed`
`22:35.56`	`pb_`	`night all`
`22:36.55`	`zmiq`	`XorA: you are the man!! it works as expected !!`
`22:37.06`	`XorA`	`zmiq: wicked`
`22:37.59`	`zmiq`	`all those hours when my kids have missed me whilst on the keyboard have had a reward ... (maybe just exaggerating?)`
`22:38.16`	`XorA`	`so your bluetooth works?`
`22:38.23`	`zmiq`	`yep`
`22:39.28`	`zmiq`	`yeah, it just found my k700i !!`
`22:40.35`	`XorA`	`zmiq: Ill punt that patch to the oe mailing list so mickey\|tv can pick it up`
`22:40.43`	`florian_`	`bbl`
`22:42.24`	`zmiq`	`xora: many thanks. Anyway, the attribution for this patch should go to the guy who posted in bluez mailing list, or what?`
`22:43.35`	`XorA`	`zmiq: probably, it'll end up in the kernel sometime Id assume, I mean 16950's worked in 2.2 days so people have gone backwards`
`22:44.23`	`zmiq`	`ok. so bedtime now. see you next time`
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`22:51.02`	`mickeyl`	`congrats`
`22:51.12`	`mickeyl`	`(k700i here as well, btw. :)`
`22:53.44`	`XorA`	`mickeyl: patch should be onmailing list`
`22:53.51`	`mickeyl`	`good`
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`23:21.59`	`neil__`	`Hello can anyone here help me with what I presume is a silly bitbake config problem?`
`23:28.10`	`emte`	`not very patient was he`
`23:28.15`	`emte`	`must be a mailing list user`
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`23:29.39`	`XorA`	`emte: :-D`
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