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| 00:02.09 | mithro | Geo_KM: no, havn't found one yet |
| 00:02.17 | mithro | Geo_KM: sorry to hear about your grandmother :/ |
| 00:03.08 | Geo_KM | mithro: she had a good run ... 97 years old. Well I hope you do manage to record the sessions, cos' I was really looking forward to it 8-) |
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| 02:42.33 | treke|home | picked up 2 200 gigs drives |
| 02:42.46 | treke|home | so at least I can do some form of backups now |
| 02:43.52 | gb2 | heh, bought one of those $229 dells to be a backup box |
| 02:44.09 | gb2 | it's currently programmed to make backups of my gf's thesis |
| 02:44.44 | treke|home | hehe |
| 02:44.59 | treke|home | had at least one drive bite it this morning |
| 02:45.19 | treke|home | hoping my email is at least recoverable |
| 02:45.24 | treke|home | and that the source drive isnt dead |
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| 02:47.02 | gb2 | i had a disk in a raid1 fail about 4 months ago |
| 02:47.13 | gb2 | i have the replacement, but i have to disassemble the box to replace it |
| 02:47.20 | gb2 | so i bought this backup server for the time being |
| 02:47.31 | gb2 | i'm hoping my apartment will be clean enough that i can get to the box on sunday though |
| 02:48.03 | gb2 | right now though... "Make your chekc or money orer payable to the 'united states treasury'" .. right. foo |
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| 03:32.22 | chouimat | night |
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| 07:11.18 | pb_ | morning |
| 07:21.49 | ljp | au hey |
| 07:22.24 | pb_ | ljp: g'day |
| 07:26.07 | ljp | heh |
| 07:43.23 | XorA | morning |
| 07:43.53 | ljp | evening |
| 07:43.55 | pb_ | hi xora |
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| 08:10.10 | RP | morning all |
| 08:10.28 | XorA | morning RP |
| 08:11.29 | pb_ | hi rp |
| 08:22.17 | koobla | hi all - i am new to oe, and fear i am stuck: I get ipkg from cvs but the patch fails. Can I force a specific version? |
| 08:22.42 | koobla | and it seems I cant get the PREFFERED_VERSION_ line right... |
| 08:27.37 | pb_ | You'll need to adjust CVSDATE, not PREFERRED_VERSION. |
| 08:28.04 | koobla | yes, but this affects all packages, right? |
| 08:28.07 | pb_ | oh, actually, no, that's not true for ipkg. PREFERRED_VERSION should be fine. |
| 08:28.19 | pb_ | What exactly are you setting in your configuration file? |
| 08:28.40 | koobla | ipkg compiles fine, ipkg utils is causing trouble.. |
| 08:28.57 | koobla | currently, I set PREFFERED_VERSION_ipkg-utils-native="1.6cvs-r0" which is ignored |
| 08:29.11 | pb_ | it's PREFERRED, not PREFFERED. |
| 08:29.15 | pb_ | one F, two Rs |
| 08:29.22 | koobla | grmmbl. thanks .)) |
| 08:29.31 | pb_ | well, three Rs I suppose |
| 08:29.42 | koobla | ok, need some more caffeine |
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| 08:30.10 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:30.38 | koobla | btw, is there a way for bitbake to cache the dependency tree it parses every startup? |
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| 08:32.24 | pb_ | no, not presently. |
| 08:32.24 | XorA | koobla: it does by default |
| 08:32.31 | pb_ | XorA: not the dependency tree. |
| 08:32.42 | XorA | pb_: ah sorry, too early in morning for me |
| 08:32.45 | pb_ | it caches the package metadata, but dependencies are calculated anew on each ru. |
| 08:32.47 | pb_ | run, even |
| 08:33.08 | koobla | i feared so... thanks |
| 08:33.10 | ljp | maybe you were thinking 'roo :D |
| 08:33.30 | pb_ | strewth, that must be it. |
| 08:34.08 | pb_ | all this living upside down does funny things to your head. |
| 08:34.16 | ljp | ya, I know |
| 08:34.32 | ljp | I dont see how they make walking upside down look like normal |
| 08:36.11 | karypid | hi. I'm a rookie trying my first "bitbake bootstrap-image". It fails because package "gcc-cross-kernel_3.3.3.bb" build aborts at the "do_patch()" stage (some patch fails to apply). Can I specify the use of an older cross-compiler version? |
| 08:36.45 | koobla | add a PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = "3.4.3" |
| 08:37.07 | pb_ | I don't think that'll help. |
| 08:37.22 | pb_ | gcc-cross-kernel is a different package to gcc-cross. |
| 08:37.23 | koobla | and adjust the version number (look in familiar-0.8.2.conf for a set of cross-tools) |
| 08:38.41 | karypid | thanks, am looking these up... |
| 08:38.51 | pb_ | The only two options for gcc-cross-kernel are 3.3.4 and 3.3.3, and the kernel packages generally have a hard dependency on the one you want. Setting a preference won't have any impact on that. |
| 08:52.44 | hrw|work | hi all |
| 08:53.01 | hrw|work | today I will get husky from customs |
| 08:53.22 | pb_ | very good |
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| 08:59.17 | ruediger | hi |
| 09:06.39 | RP | hi hrw|work. I'm really pleased you're getting a c7x0 :) |
| 09:07.27 | hrw|work | RP: first have to go to customs (second time today), pay 88AUD and then will get it |
| 09:07.35 | lardman | hrw|work: you're back |
| 09:07.47 | lardman | hrw|work: bt card in the post yesterday |
| 09:07.53 | lardman | hrw|work: to yo uthat is |
| 09:07.57 | hrw|work | lardman: noticed - thx |
| 09:08.06 | lardman | hrw|work: and I can't edit the oz site |
| 09:08.43 | hrw|work | I have to check this - but not before evening |
| 09:08.57 | lardman | cool, np |
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| 09:19.19 | hrw|work | lardman: probably access levels or sth like that |
| 09:23.46 | lardman | hrw|work: I was going to edit the installation instructions for all of the machines (make them clearer for users) |
| 09:24.01 | hrw|work | lardman: I will assign them to you |
| 09:25.00 | hrw|work | or will create user "oz team" which cannot be logged but its posts can be edited |
| 09:27.32 | hrw|work | lardman: can you try to edit "oz-team" pages? |
| 09:30.06 | lardman | hrw|work: can you add ipkg & libipkg (v148) to the updates feed when you have time please |
| 09:30.53 | lardman | hrw|work: re. editing pages - yep, hang on a tick |
| 09:31.41 | lardman | where am I trying to edit? can you give me an url? |
| 09:31.43 | hrw|work | lardman: can you close,unpin "3.5.2 upgrades" thread on oesf and open "3.5.3 upgrades" pinned? |
| 09:31.54 | lardman | yep |
| 09:32.05 | hrw|work | lardman: Manage->Pages |
| 09:32.13 | hrw|work | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/wp-admin/edit-pages.php |
| 09:34.37 | lardman | topic created & pinned |
| 09:35.06 | lardman | And editing pages works too. Cheers |
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| 09:44.21 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: great |
| 09:44.55 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: could yo unpin/close 3.5.2 upgrades? |
| 09:45.06 | hrw|work | oops. done already ;) |
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| 09:47.00 | reenoo_ | morning |
| 09:47.51 | bluelightning | hi all |
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| 09:49.59 | reenoo_ | hey bluelightning |
| 09:50.04 | bluelightning | hi reenoo_ |
| 09:53.21 | Twiun | hi reenoo_ |
| 09:55.36 | XorA | anyone want to try opie sounds on a c7x0 for me? |
| 09:57.45 | RP | XorA: I have a copy of opie installed on my c760 atm... |
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| 09:59.08 | XorA | RP: can you upgrade to libqte2_2.3.10-r13_c7x0.ipk from http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/feed/ and see if it sounds better? |
| 09:59.44 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3236 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files): upgrade wireless extensions to V17 for openzaurus-[pxa|sa] kernels. pending: spitz and akita |
| 09:59.47 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3235 10openembedded/packages/netbase/netbase_4.21.bb: upgrade netbase to 4.21 |
| 10:02.40 | mickey|work | mmh |
| 10:03.03 | koen | hey mickey|work |
| 10:03.05 | RP | morning mickey|work |
| 10:03.09 | mickey|work | morning |
| 10:03.29 | RP | XorA: Will do once I find some audio to test with... |
| 10:03.54 | XorA | RP: just key clicks and insert/eject cards |
| 10:04.05 | XorA | RP: and alarms |
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| 10:09.17 | hrw|work | XorA: poke around http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/ |
| 10:09.17 | reenoo_ | hey Twiun |
| 10:09.25 | hrw|work | XorA: this one you will like too ;) |
| 10:09.33 | Bernardo | http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=3322&Thread=2&entryID=49312&roomID=11 |
| 10:10.03 | Bernardo | linus seems to have lost his marbles... Or is defending a friend more important that ones principles? |
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| 10:10.33 | XorA | hrw|work: was what I was poking |
| 10:11.00 | XorA | Bernardo: linus never was a GPL zealot |
| 10:11.40 | mickey|work | linus is a pragmatic man and this i like about him |
| 10:11.42 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3234.1.1 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files): Add -hh39 sa and pxa kernels. They feature WE17, and updated h5400 sound drivers |
| 10:11.44 | koen | linus seems to have lost his marbles... Or is defending a friend more important that ones principles? |
| 10:11.47 | koen | 12:10 -!- maisheri [~hiteshm@ras-Chn-static-031.227.95.61.touchtelindia.net] has joined #oe |
| 10:12.25 | mickey|work | actually i like him writing a SCM, i think we should wait until it's finished and then use that |
| 10:12.42 | mickey|work | we should use bk as long as possible imo |
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| 10:13.37 | maisheri | what happenned koen ?? |
| 10:13.39 | Bernardo | yep, but I really don't agree with what linus is saying, I thing what tridgell did was exactly the same as he did to create samba |
| 10:14.15 | maisheri | koen, you there ?? |
| 10:14.25 | Bernardo | I can't see why for linus samba is ok, office/openoffice interoperability is ok, trying to do the same with bk isn't ok |
| 10:14.34 | RP | mickey|work: Keep in mind that Linus isn't writing a complete SCM - just whatever he needs to manage the kernel |
| 10:14.41 | maisheri | what happened why is my nick highlighted ?? |
| 10:14.49 | maisheri | koen, what happened why is my nick highlighted ?? |
| 10:16.26 | RP | maisheri: By the looks of it koen accidently cut and pasted some text. Your nickname gets highlighted when anyone says anything directly to you (like this) |
| 10:16.49 | mickey|work | RP: yeah, but that what's good enough for kernel should be useful for us as well, don't you think? |
| 10:17.11 | RP | mickey|work: I'd like to hope so :) |
| 10:17.48 | RP | XorA: Sounds is fine after that patch |
| 10:18.09 | XorA | mickey|work: I think Ive found sound problem in opie |
| 10:18.42 | mickey|work | XorA: that'd be nice. did you play with the ipaq_sound patch from zecke? |
| 10:19.05 | Bernardo | If it is half as good as the kernel, it should be usefull, even if it has a restricted scope |
| 10:19.22 | XorA | mickey|work: yeah, I reverted the simpad.patch bit that sets it to 8bit mono, 16bit steroa makes listenable sounds |
| 10:19.45 | maisheri | k |
| 10:19.51 | maisheri | thank you RP |
| 10:20.47 | mickey|work | XorA: urghs... |
| 10:20.51 | mickey|work | no don't say that... |
| 10:21.14 | mickey|work | ugh |
| 10:21.16 | mickey|work | i'm an idiot |
| 10:21.38 | mickey|work | i forgot cmartin adding that piece about sound to simpad.patch :/ |
| 10:21.45 | mickey|work | unconditionally, even |
| 10:21.46 | mickey|work | ~lart cmartin |
| 10:21.48 | mickey|work | ~lart me |
| 10:22.27 | XorA | mickey|work: youve done wonders to OZ, your allowed a small slip once in a while :-) |
| 10:22.47 | RP | It certainly makes the sounds much more plesant :) |
| 10:22.48 | mickey|work | :) |
| 10:22.58 | RP | mickey|work: Yes, we'll forgive you :) |
| 10:23.02 | mickey|work | thanks :) |
| 10:23.33 | hrw|work | so we will have another to upgrades? |
| 10:24.28 | Bernardo | speaking of the simpad, I tried to build a image for it yesterda,y (distro=opensimpad), and had to set the cvsdate for opie-mediaplayer2 and opie-restartapplet2 to 20050402, as later versions are broken |
| 10:25.02 | mickey|work | yeah, but I can't build it for all archs, I'm going to return to my catechumens weekend soon |
| 10:25.13 | mickey|work | until sunday nite |
| 10:25.27 | mickey|work | Bernardo: what's wrong wth the restartapplet2 ? |
| 10:28.37 | koen | mickey|work: is ipkg 148 in upgrades yet? |
| 10:28.51 | Bernardo | mickey|work: don't have the log here, but it fails to compile with a complaint about QDialog |
| 10:29.17 | Bernardo | for opie-mediaplayer2 it's a patch that fails to apply |
| 10:29.40 | mickey|work | koen: no idea - hrw is the man for the upgrades feed |
| 10:30.39 | hrw|work | I will take care of it during weekend |
| 10:31.17 | hrw|work | mickey|work: "catechumens"? |
| 10:31.34 | koen | it fixes a serious flaw: errors don't get passed back as errors |
| 10:32.02 | hrw|work | koen: ipkg = ipkg, libipkg0, opie-packagemanager (probably also gpe-package) |
| 10:32.50 | mickey|work | hrw|work: a church thing |
| 10:32.59 | hrw|work | ah.. |
| 10:33.14 | koen | hrw|work: only ipkg and libipkg should be needed |
| 10:33.29 | hrw|work | koen: ok - but I dont have working oz 3.5.3 tree now |
| 10:34.00 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3236.1.1 10openembedded/packages/qte/ (qte_2.3.10.bb qte-2.3.10/simpad.patch): qte-qss: remove forced 8bit/mono that came in through the simpad.patch. We can perhaps simplify the ipaq_sound.patch now |
| 10:34.10 | koen | hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/sfeed/ |
| 10:34.12 | mickey|work | thanks XorA for finding that! |
| 10:34.23 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:34.36 | koen | that only contains the armv5te ipkgs |
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| 10:35.40 | hrw|work | btw bugs... beware of Ania... I will forward their suggestions... |
| 10:37.13 | mickey|work | oh uh |
| 10:37.15 | mickey|work | :) |
| 10:38.43 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 10:45.11 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3239 10openembedded/packages/qte/qte-2.3.10/ipaq_sound_fix.patch: qte-2.3.10: ipaq_sound_fix, catch up with changes in simpad.patch |
| 10:49.58 | lardman|busy | koen & hrw|work: are there any differences between the ones in the familiar upgrades feed and the ones which would be produced for OZ? |
| 10:51.20 | CoreDump|home | a call to /bin/sh in /sbin/init will freeze with "Bad file descriptor" (revealed by strace) on my collie. any ideas? |
| 10:52.04 | CoreDump|home | fwiw / is mounted rw at this point |
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| 10:53.21 | gs | hi |
| 10:53.36 | CoreDump|home | bleh, theres bound to be away to make this work, but I'll be damned if I know how |
| 11:05.56 | hrw|work | ~change 216.30 pln to eur |
| 11:06.09 | hrw|work | thats VAT for husky |
| 11:06.38 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I payed 42 EUR for the akita |
| 11:07.10 | Bernardo | I thought you got the husky as a gift? |
| 11:07.16 | hrw|work | Bernardo: we have 22% vat |
| 11:07.22 | hrw|work | ~change 216.30 pln to aud |
| 11:07.35 | hrw|work | I have to pay 88 aud |
| 11:08.38 | Bernardo | but you pay vat on gifts? |
| 11:08.56 | Bernardo | we have 19% of vat, which I already think its a abuse |
| 11:10.04 | hrw|work | Bernardo: I dont plan to fight with that .... which work there and looks like they dont know what to do |
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| 11:11.14 | Bernardo | I know how it is, like the guys here at the customs office charging me VAT on shipping and handling |
| 11:11.19 | CoreDump|home | any idea why ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS....) could fail w/ bad file descriptor? Or even what it does? |
| 11:11.28 | Bernardo | it costs more to fight them than to just pay |
| 11:12.15 | hrw|work | yes |
| 11:12.57 | hrw|work | time to go for husky |
| 11:13.30 | Bernardo | :) |
| 11:13.32 | Bernardo | C U |
| 11:13.48 | XorA | ~praise debootstrap |
| 11:13.50 | ibot | All hail debootstrap! |
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| 11:41.19 | phoedros | hi guys! you should update the .bb-packages, some versions aren't available anymore.. and a q: is treke.net really down or is my dns just messing around once again? |
| 11:41.57 | koen | phoedros: patches welcome |
| 11:43.52 | sajar | phoedros: have you recently updated the oe tree? I had errors but update fixed them |
| 11:44.31 | phoedros | sajar: it's from wed i think... |
| 11:44.53 | phoedros | and what about treke.net? libxml2-2.6.11 seems not suitable for OE.. |
| 11:45.13 | sajar | phoedros: yep todays tree seems to work. Treke.net seems to be down |
| 11:45.29 | sajar | phoedros: updating the oe tree should fix those problems |
| 11:46.01 | phoedros | great(dns is working properly)/FUCK!(and i should have pulled the sources first!) |
| 11:46.03 | sajar | phoedros: netbase erroring out the builds? |
| 11:46.24 | phoedros | sajar: fetch fails, the version is not available anymore |
| 11:46.51 | sajar | phoedros: yes, my feelings excactly. the new version is .21 and the update fixed that problem |
| 11:46.57 | koen | netbase 4.21 does exist |
| 11:47.18 | sajar | yep but the wednesdays tree tries to find 4.20 |
| 11:47.27 | koen | yes |
| 11:47.29 | phoedros | sajar: lazy as i am, i just loaded the .21 and renamed it ;) |
| 11:47.45 | koen | so you are complaining that we fixed it and your tree errors out? |
| 11:48.04 | sajar | No, that it was not working but you fixed it =) |
| 11:48.23 | sajar | trying to give a hint to phoedros how to make it work also.. |
| 11:49.18 | koen | people complaining *before* updating get on my nerves |
| 11:49.30 | phoedros | sajar: i _tried_ to fix libxml2 that way and it failed with such an amazing grace ;) |
| 11:50.08 | phoedros | koen: sorry, i wasn't aware of how often the tree's beeing updated |
| 11:50.13 | sajar | koen: I can totally understand that =) Thats why I did the update bk:// ... before complaining.. ;-) |
| 11:50.50 | sajar | However there is still something wrong with my conf files.. trying to figure those problems out |
| 11:51.02 | mickeyl|work | as there are too few maintainers for OE and the core team always has a nicely populated sources directory, you must start sending us patches or it will rot. |
| 11:52.44 | phoedros | mickeyl|work: I'm not really familiar with that whole patching-stuff but when I'm done with this image I'll do my very best, i promise :) |
| 11:52.46 | RP | yes, treke.net is down btw - hdd failure |
| 11:52.50 | sajar | Yep, I'm trying to learn the oe and bitbake world atm |
| 11:53.07 | phoedros | RP: *ugh* not nice |
| 11:53.58 | phoedros | *scratch* um... I just ran the bk pull; bk -r co -q and it doesn't seem to have anything changed.. should I be worried? |
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| 11:54.47 | sajar | I found the opensource tools alot easier to understand =) I just need to give update bk://openembedded.bkbits.com/openembedded openembedded and that does the trick |
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| 11:55.41 | koen | mickeyl|work: do you know what has to be changed so softfloat uses the new EABI instead of the "hybrid one"? |
| 11:55.48 | mickeyl|work | no, no idea |
| 11:56.42 | koen | me neither |
| 11:56.55 | mickeyl|work | guess pb will take care about that in our toolchain builds after he returned from .au |
| 11:57.02 | RP | I also wondered about that... |
| 11:57.30 | mickeyl|work | hrw|customs: customs? you fetching your c7x0 ? |
| 11:57.41 | RP | mickeyl|work: he is |
| 11:57.49 | sajar | btw, do you guys use predefined toolchains or do you build them with bitbake aswell? |
| 11:58.29 | mickeyl|work | bitbake |
| 11:58.29 | sajar | ok, then its just me ;-) |
| 11:58.29 | RP | bitbake does it all for you |
| 11:58.36 | sajar | Yep, my configs are still broken.. I think |
| 11:59.04 | sajar | Or then the amd64 box with chrooted i386 compiling environment is not the optimal =) |
| 11:59.16 | sajar | However trying to figure that out |
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| 12:10.12 | hrw|work | I got c760 ;) |
| 12:10.24 | hrw|work | but also got a question(s) |
| 12:10.38 | hrw|work | 1. can it be charged by sharp i/o (like collie)? |
| 12:10.58 | hrw|work | 2. to power on I have to push on/off on side or open and hold home? |
| 12:11.04 | XorA | 1. YES |
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| 12:12.49 | mickeyl|work | then play with the SharpROM and write down what you like |
| 12:12.55 | mickeyl|work | so we have an idea what to improve :) |
| 12:13.01 | mickeyl|work | (never seen a sharp rom since ages) |
| 12:13.11 | hrw|work | heh... I had to switch battery switch;) |
| 12:13.37 | mickeyl|work | ah :) |
| 12:13.43 | XorA | mickeyl|work: sharp rom only has three nice features :-) |
| 12:13.47 | hrw|work | I runs ;) |
| 12:13.54 | hrw|work | in japanese :) |
| 12:13.59 | hrw|work | s/I/It |
| 12:15.02 | lardman|busy | If you're going to be flashing, then take a look at Cacko too - it looks really nice (I played with it last year) |
| 12:15.04 | sajar | RP: is treke.net getting new harddrive? I might be able to send 1 if not. |
| 12:15.20 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: first OZ |
| 12:15.24 | lardman|busy | :) |
| 12:15.37 | hrw|work | of course now I wait for japanese to boot |
| 12:18.15 | hrw|work | updater.sh+zImage.bin +updater.data? |
| 12:18.29 | mickeyl|work | no |
| 12:18.29 | RP | sajar: You'd have to talk to treke about that. |
| 12:18.40 | mickeyl|work | updater.sh, zimage.bin, initrd.bin |
| 12:18.40 | sajar | ~seen treke |
| 12:18.49 | ibot | treke is currently on #opie #oe #handhelds.org |
| 12:18.49 | hrw|work | mickeyl|work: ok |
| 12:18.49 | RP | hrw|work: congratulations :) |
| 12:19.05 | lardman|busy | hrw|work: Good to see even our devs don;t read instructions ;) |
| 12:19.12 | mickeyl|work | hrw|work: make sure to use the updater from oz.org, it's known good. |
| 12:19.25 | mickeyl|work | lardman|busy: bear with him, he is excited with his new toy |
| 12:19.33 | lardman|busy | I know, I was only joking |
| 12:19.33 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: c7x0 instruction suxx - no info about files |
| 12:19.38 | hrw|work | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/index.php/installation/c7x0/ |
| 12:19.45 | mickeyl|work | hrw|work: you better read my INSTALL file |
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| 12:19.54 | lardman|busy | I'll get fixing this arvo after I've finished my presentation... |
| 12:19.56 | phoedros_ | re.. |
| 12:19.56 | mickeyl|work | openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/c7x0,c8x0/INSTALL |
| 12:19.59 | hrw|work | ops.. it had them in first sentence.. we should bold them |
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| 12:20.38 | phoedros_ | uhm can i also update only one certain package from the bk-tree? |
| 12:20.46 | RP | I guess this is a good time to find weaknesses in the docs :) |
| 12:21.14 | RP | phoedros_: no, its all or nothing |
| 12:22.04 | phoedros_ | RP: because after bk pull libxml2-2.6.11 is still not in the package... |
| 12:22.27 | hrw|work | ok. flashing OZ |
| 12:23.19 | mickeyl|work | oh |
| 12:23.24 | mickeyl|work | did you rm -rf /home/Settings ? |
| 12:23.29 | mickeyl|work | . /home/root/Settings |
| 12:23.29 | hrw|work | no |
| 12:23.34 | mickeyl|work | if not, do it right after first boot |
| 12:23.39 | mickeyl|work | or else everything will be TINY |
| 12:23.40 | mickeyl|work | :D |
| 12:23.44 | phoedros_ | -_- |
| 12:23.45 | mickeyl|work | and next time, read the release notes |
| 12:23.45 | mickeyl|work | heh |
| 12:23.47 | mickeyl|work | :D |
| 12:24.07 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 12:24.34 | XorA | hrw|work: do you have the screen rotate sticker still? |
| 12:24.37 | phoedros_ | oem... what version has the whole gpe-thing? 2.5 or 2.6? |
| 12:24.38 | jobi | hi all |
| 12:24.43 | hrw|work | XorA: no |
| 12:24.55 | XorA | hrw|work: I always get that wrong even though I left mine on |
| 12:25.34 | mickeyl|work | i still have the sticker on |
| 12:25.35 | mickeyl|work | http://www.vanille.de/temp/elpp.jpg# |
| 12:25.38 | mickeyl|work | without the # |
| 12:25.56 | hrw|work | heh.. I did not look at flashing process.. - after reboot it should boot or wait for poweron? |
| 12:26.08 | mickeyl|work | hrw|work: iirc it reboots automatically |
| 12:26.11 | mickeyl|work | on c7x0 at least |
| 12:26.15 | mickeyl|work | on tosa you need to reset by hand |
| 12:26.17 | XorA | mickeyl|work: yeah it does |
| 12:27.04 | hrw|work | I will print "quick start guide" sooner or later |
| 12:27.51 | jobi | I'm trying to update my ffmpeg-cvs package, but somehow the do_package taske fails when it tries to install in image/ |
| 12:28.09 | jobi | the headers get installed fine, but it tries to install the libs in /usr/lib |
| 12:28.43 | hrw|work | hmm.. will reflash again - black screen is all I got |
| 12:29.24 | lardman|busy | hrw|work: can take some effort for it to turn on |
| 12:29.48 | lardman|busy | like cursing while pressing on/off key standing on one leg, etc. |
| 12:30.21 | Bernardo | :) |
| 12:30.37 | Bernardo | as for what is nice on the sharprom (at least on the c1000) |
| 12:30.41 | Bernardo | wifi profiles |
| 12:30.53 | Bernardo | music player |
| 12:31.24 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: wifi card has led turned on but screen is black still |
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| 12:31.37 | Bernardo | hrw|work: do you have the usb cable? |
| 12:31.56 | Bernardo | you could try to ssh into it |
| 12:32.10 | hrw|work | Bernardo: usb/sync - currently not connected to comp |
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| 12:36.43 | phoedros | better... |
| 12:36.59 | XorA | koen: wicked |
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| 12:41.08 | hrw|work | lunch |
| 12:41.48 | XorA | what kind of geek stops for lunch when there is a new toy to play with? |
| 12:41.57 | mickeyl|work | senior geeks |
| 12:41.59 | mickeyl|work | heh |
| 12:42.12 | mickeyl|work | he didn't tell you that he took his Z with him, of course |
| 12:42.23 | XorA | mickeyl|work: :-D |
| 12:44.55 | lardman|busy | hrw|work: sometimes the backlight takes a while to come on... |
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| 12:49.45 | phoedros | libxml2-2.6.11 is _NOT_ in the new bk-tree... |
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| 12:53.23 | XorA | phoedros: 2.6.10 is latest Ive got |
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| 13:12.16 | hrw|work | mickey|konfi: I get it but didnt used |
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| 13:12.56 | phoedros | ok.. hope the conn stays stable o_O |
| 13:13.06 | karypid | hi. I just noticed that task "do_fetch()" returns success if the MD5 sum for the source package exists, even if the package itself does not exist. |
| 13:13.44 | hrw|work | karypid: yeo |
| 13:14.32 | karypid | how is this normal then? shouldn't it fail? wha'ts the point of proceeding with unpack / etc if there are no sources? |
| 13:15.21 | phoedros | should i send the libxml-patchfile to the mailinglist? |
| 13:18.16 | hrw|work | fsck latest oz - will try 353 |
| 13:22.37 | hrw|work | yeS :) booting |
| 13:23.22 | pb_ | karypid: it's a bug. |
| 13:23.25 | hrw|work | mickey|konfi: elpp looks nice ;) |
| 13:28.35 | XorA | is elpp in 3.5.3? |
| 13:28.52 | koen | it isn't over here |
| 13:29.04 | koen | I still get the upside down OE/gpe logo |
| 13:29.41 | hrw|work | hmm..opie-image-c7x0-20050411221036.rootfs.img + zImage-c7x0-20050411221036.bin - I think that I got them from oz.org |
| 13:32.32 | hrw|work | time to upgrade signatures |
| 13:34.03 | toruvinn | hmm, usbdmonitor isn't reloaded by apm on suspend/resume? why? it crashed several times on my sl6000. maybe it should be added there? |
| 13:34.24 | hrw|work | toruvinn: remove usbdmonitor at all and then test |
| 13:34.34 | toruvinn | btw, wifi drivers crash alot too. ;-/ but well, that's 'normal' with wifi i guess. |
| 13:35.16 | toruvinn | hrw|work: well, it wasn't kernel-crash or something (wifi crashed kernel completely), but there was no connection between my z and workstation |
| 13:35.29 | toruvinn | after reloading usbdmonitor everything worked fine though |
| 13:36.06 | toruvinn | so there might be a point in adding it to apm. i'll check this, but not during this weekend. ;-/ |
| 13:36.11 | hrw|work | toruvinn: test this: remove usbdmonitor and reload pxa_bi |
| 13:36.32 | hrw|work | toruvinn: network-suspend-scripts should have it already (3.5.3) |
| 13:36.43 | toruvinn | hmm |
| 13:36.57 | koen | mickey|konfi: I'm not certain what I must think about branding the clamshell 2.6 kernel with OZ |
| 13:37.02 | toruvinn | i'll read them thoroughly. |
| 13:37.16 | toruvinn | don't know all the scripts yet. |
| 13:37.29 | koen | mickey|konfi: as other DISTROs use that kernel too |
| 13:38.16 | toruvinn | ah, and one more thing... isn't using noatime suggested with sd-cards? |
| 13:38.24 | koen | yes |
| 13:40.58 | toruvinn | hmm, then there's another patch to make. first for /etc/fstab. having two /media/card there isn't a good idea, since /etc/sdmonitor [or similar, don't remember] greps fstab to check for sd mounting options. |
| 13:41.25 | koen | hrw|work: It seems mickeyl had stuff in his local.conf (the elpp thing), that's why it doesn't turn up in my images |
| 13:41.31 | koen | bad mickey|konfi ! |
| 13:41.35 | toruvinn | argh, i'll look into it |
| 13:42.07 | woglinde | hm is oe running on the sl3000? |
| 13:43.54 | XorA | koen: how you turn on elpp? |
| 13:44.40 | koen | ./packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.11.bb:120:# Enable or disable ELPP via local.conf - default is "no" |
| 13:44.50 | koen | ./packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.11.bb:122:ENABLE_ELPP = ${@bb.data.getVar("OZ_KERNEL_ENABLE_ELPP",d,1) or "no"} |
| 13:46.34 | koen | XorA: and it *isn't* in oz-353.conf |
| 13:52.54 | treke|home | morning |
| 13:53.04 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 13:53.05 | koen | 'morning treke|home |
| 13:53.08 | woglinde | he pb |
| 13:53.22 | pb_ | hi woglinde |
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| 13:55.33 | hrw|work | XorA: 2.6 on Z - usb0 or usbd0? |
| 13:55.48 | woglinde | okay have to go |
| 13:55.51 | woglinde | bye guys |
| 13:56.01 | koen | UNIXProcess_md.c: undefined reference to `__libc_wait' |
| 14:03.12 | XorA | hrw|work: usb0 |
| 14:04.34 | hrw|work | probably I have to recompile desktop kernel for rdnis support |
| 14:04.43 | XorA | hrw|work: nope, usbnet works |
| 14:04.49 | hrw|work | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget |
| 14:05.06 | hrw|work | pinged;) |
| 14:14.31 | koen | ~lart ulrich drepper for fixing libc with x86 asm |
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| 14:15.49 | treke|home | usb0 |
| 14:17.58 | koen | ~lart sun for using internal libc symbols |
| 14:19.11 | koen | XorA: ok, *now* I'm one patch away from a working cvm |
| 14:19.32 | koen | (after making 3 different "last" patches) |
| 14:19.41 | hrw|work | ~/dev/mtdblock2 53.0M 20.3M 32.7M 38% / |
| 14:19.45 | hrw|work | it looks nice ;) |
| 14:24.45 | RP | koen: please don't enable elpp anywhere I'll pull it in by default as I can't stand it ;-) |
| 14:26.33 | koen | RP: I won't, my point was having hack in local.conf when building a distro isn't good practise |
| 14:32.41 | hrw|work | I can say one thing - c760 screen is fscking sharp (especially compared to collie screen) |
| 14:33.02 | treke|home | I want to see an akita screen |
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| 14:35.45 | CosmicPenguin | They can screen ok, but they have trouble shooting the ball |
| 14:36.03 | CosmicPenguin | Usually they dish it to the irish wolfhound on the inside |
| 14:37.36 | treke|home | bad CP |
| 14:37.37 | treke|home | bad |
| 14:38.17 | CosmicPenguin | There's a two coffee minimum for this room |
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| 14:46.28 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:48.36 | koen | 'morning chouimat |
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| 15:16.25 | Bernardo|meeting | treke|home: the akita screen is very sharp indeed (can't compare with a cxxx, I only had a collie and a simpad before) |
| 15:16.48 | treke | the cxxx is really nice if you're indoors |
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| 15:17.17 | Bernardo | the akita is visible outdoors if I take out my sunglasses and put backlightning to the max |
| 15:19.21 | treke | ah |
| 15:19.37 | treke | then it sounds like the same screen as the older ones |
| 15:19.54 | treke | if you crank the backlight you can see it |
| 15:19.56 | treke | but not well |
| 15:20.51 | Bernardo | I'm afraid it isn't the 6000 screen, from what I've read |
| 15:23.40 | treke | that sucks |
| 15:24.37 | treke | ha |
| 15:24.54 | Bernardo | I live a few kms more down south |
| 15:24.58 | RP | XorA: I know the feeling :) |
| 15:25.32 | Bernardo | in portugal sun is more of a problem reading the screen... :) |
| 15:25.54 | treke | what is this km thing? :p |
| 15:26.49 | RP | treke: This funny European unit of measurement they keep trying to make use adopt... |
| 15:26.59 | treke | damn europeans |
| 15:28.05 | hrw|work | RP: and you drive on wrong side of road... |
| 15:28.24 | treke | I can agree with that |
| 15:28.31 | treke | RP: switch sides |
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| 15:28.51 | treke | you're going to get yourself killed |
| 15:29.02 | treke | and we cant have that happen to the 860 kernel maintainer |
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| 15:29.24 | hrw|work | I have a problems with my 256M sd card (pretec) |
| 15:29.44 | Bernardo | hrw|work: what kind of problems? |
| 15:30.01 | hrw|work | mmcblk1: error 1 transferring data |
| 15:30.01 | hrw|work | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk1, sector 262249 |
| 15:30.01 | hrw|work | mmcblk1: error 1 sending read/write command |
| 15:30.05 | hrw|work | EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk1p1): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode bitmap - block_group = 16, inode_bitmap = 131074 |
| 15:30.09 | hrw|work | etc |
| 15:30.50 | Bernardo | ouch |
| 15:30.51 | hrw|work | RP: btw - now its mmcblk1 not mmcblk0 |
| 15:30.59 | Bernardo | can you reformat the card? |
| 15:31.07 | hrw|work | Bernardo: just did |
| 15:31.20 | Bernardo | and it works well on the collie? |
| 15:32.55 | hrw|work | on collie I have /opt/ on sd and dont want to take it off now.. |
| 15:33.28 | Bernardo | ok... do you have a way to check the card anywere else? |
| 15:33.43 | hrw|work | will but not now - have some code to write |
| 15:34.21 | hrw|work | now cleaning /home/ - sharpcrap |
| 15:44.15 | RP | treke: If I did switch sides, I'd be dead in short order :) |
| 15:45.40 | RP | hrw|work: Sometimes the kernel gets confused about how many SD cards are present and creates the block device with a new number... |
| 15:45.55 | RP | hrw|work: Those IO errors don't look good though... |
| 15:46.24 | Bernardo | RP: those look like the ones I had with my high speed 1GB sd card on the collie |
| 15:46.42 | hrw|work | I will put it in usb reader |
| 15:46.52 | Bernardo | it works well on the akita though |
| 15:48.32 | XorA | ~lart morons on mailing lists |
| 15:49.24 | CosmicPenguin | thats me! :) |
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| 15:54.35 | Bernardo | XorA: which one? I still have over 100 messages to browse thru... |
| 15:54.54 | XorA | Bernardo: latest one, swearing about OZ becuase he is too stupid to read zug |
| 15:55.11 | XorA | Bernardo: jimmythegeek@softhome.net |
| 15:55.48 | RP | XorA: I just read that message. moron is an understatement... |
| 15:55.51 | CosmicPenguin | cute name though |
| 15:56.14 | XorA | RP: I just want to take his head and kick it round the world a couple of times |
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| 15:57.49 | hrw|work | XorA: I will join |
| 15:58.21 | XorA | anyway, see you guys next week |
| 15:58.33 | Bernardo | have a nice weekend |
| 15:58.48 | hrw|work | see Xora |
| 15:59.24 | treke | which post? |
| 15:59.44 | lardman|busy | what's oz-compat called now (fielding endless ZUG questions...)? |
| 15:59.54 | lardman|busy | sharp-compat-libs? |
| 16:00.13 | treke | "On a side note. Are we using a new package format? In the old days I could gunzip the packages, and pull the content out." |
| 16:00.19 | treke | "welcome to three years ago |
| 16:00.30 | lardman|busy | rw-git-outtahere: was your previous nick intentional? |
| 16:00.58 | rw-git-outtahere | heh, no. |
| 16:01.06 | lardman|busy | :-D |
| 16:01.54 | rw-git-outtahere | The "git" part of it is to indicate that I've just compiled and run "git" (Linus's new CM system) on an Asus WL500gx router. It would run on an NSLU2 too, if there wasn't an endian problem ... |
| 16:02.14 | lardman|busy | I see |
| 16:02.27 | rw-git-outtahere | ... and the "outtahere" is cause it's 1:30am here, so I'm outta here :-) |
| 16:03.11 | rw-git-outtahere | It's currently an nslu2-linux "Unslung" package, and I'll probably make it an OE package tomorrow night (unless someone else gets to it first). |
| 16:03.24 | lardman|busy | I thought 'outta her' sounded more interesting |
| 16:03.41 | rw-git-outtahere | indeed |
| 16:03.46 | CosmicPenguin | specially if you are IRCing at the time |
| 16:04.51 | treke | so which list is the moron on? |
| 16:05.45 | hrw|work | oz-users |
| 16:05.56 | hrw|work | ok. time to go home |
| 16:06.02 | treke | hrmm not in gmane yet |
| 16:06.26 | hrw|work | sharp i/o in c7x0 is worse then in collie... |
| 16:06.46 | Noodles | rw-git-outtahere: Are you running OE on the WL500gx then? |
| 16:07.15 | hrw|work | bye |
| 16:07.54 | rw-git-outtahere | Noodles: No, running the firmware from wl500g.dyndns.org, and running Unslung packages on it. The #oe connection is that Unslung packages normally run on the Unslung firmware which is built from OE, but based on Linksys's stock NSLU2 firmware. |
| 16:08.26 | Noodles | Right. I have a hacked version of the wl500g.dyndns.org stuff running on my wl500g. |
| 16:09.04 | rw-git-outtahere | I did commit a wl500g MACHINE and asusoe DISTRO, which allows you to build OE packages for Oleg's wl500g firmware using an external toolchain. |
| 16:09.16 | treke | stupid adelphia blocking smtp |
| 16:09.56 | Noodles | Oh, I'll have to take a look at that. |
| 16:10.29 | Bernardo | hrw|gone: I wonder if the sdmmc module for the c1000 would work for you |
| 16:10.39 | rw-git-outtahere | Noodles: If you want about 90+ packages, have a look at the Unslung repository at www.nslu2-linux.org |
| 16:11.04 | rw-git-outtahere | Noodles: a lot of overlap with OE packages, but some that don't overlap |
| 16:12.19 | Noodles | At present I'm not touching my setup, because it works, it provides my net access and I have enough other things on. :) |
| 16:12.35 | rw-git-outtahere | Noodles: http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=2036 explains it all |
| 16:12.56 | rw-git-outtahere | Fair enough. I sold a Linksys WAG54Gv2 router for the same reason today .... |
| 16:13.23 | Bernardo | I wish there was a version for the smc2840wbr v2 |
| 16:13.32 | Noodles | I have the ASUS running with a USB ADSL modem and IPv6 and stuff quite nicely. But when I finish all my other projects something that was more easily upgradable would be nice. |
| 16:13.42 | lardman|busy | Re donations links on the oz web site - a chap here who's having troubles donating 'cos they are not in English |
| 16:13.43 | lardman|busy | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11971&st=0&p=75385&#entry75385 |
| 16:13.54 | lardman|busy | Would be worth looking into |
| 16:14.28 | rw-git-outtahere | Noodles: I added ipkg support to the latest version of Oleg's wl500gx firmware. |
| 16:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... makedevs.c should have a GPL header on it.... |
| 16:15.22 | CosmicPenguin | anyone claim it? |
| 16:17.13 | treke | this is going to be a mess |
| 16:19.36 | treke | actually I should just set this machine up as a permanent spool |
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| 16:36.19 | treke | man |
| 16:36.23 | treke | this guy is a moron |
| 16:36.28 | chouimat | ? |
| 16:40.19 | koen | XorA|gone: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/cvm.tar.bz2 (it creates an empty package, but it compiles) |
| 16:40.48 | lardman|busy | treke: yep, I just got his post - nice |
| 16:41.52 | lardman|busy | chouimat: mailing lisy post |
| 16:41.56 | treke | maybe the reason we are working on the latest and greatest devices is because... that's what we have |
| 16:42.18 | lardman|busy | yeah, well I can't believe it doesn't actaully work on a 5500 though? Surely |
| 16:42.26 | Bernardo | I haven't got his post yet |
| 16:42.41 | treke | lardman|busy: he most likely just didnt read the fucking manual |
| 16:42.49 | treke | common problem |
| 16:43.29 | lardman|busy | yep |
| 16:48.33 | chouimat | lardman: which post? |
| 16:48.53 | RP | chouimat: To os-users |
| 16:49.02 | RP | oz-users even |
| 16:49.32 | RP | I don't think I could write a civil reply to that email... |
| 16:50.22 | Bernardo | the last post I got in oz-users is about lirc modules |
| 16:50.32 | chouimat | ok only 350 emails to read to find the right one |
| 16:51.07 | RP | chouimat: It was mentioned above: jimmythegeek@softhome.net |
| 16:51.35 | chouimat | oh that one |
| 16:52.52 | Bernardo | got it |
| 16:53.21 | Bernardo | I think the cluebat this time would better be replaced by a red hot poker stuffed up his fundamentals |
| 16:54.38 | Bernardo | chouimat: on a screen with more than 640x400, it is very nice |
| 16:55.00 | chouimat | Bernardo: I bet but I have a 5000D |
| 16:55.03 | Bernardo | and allows one to check for pr0n more discretely... |
| 16:55.36 | Bernardo | on my 5500 I didn't use a web browser very often |
| 16:55.56 | Bernardo | only when I wanted to check some webmail site and my wife was using the laptop |
| 16:56.02 | chouimat | Bernardo: I work from home, I have no gf and my cat is happy to browse the internet to see pussies too |
| 16:56.29 | Bernardo | :D |
| 16:56.52 | Bernardo | but I bet this guy (jimmythegeek@softhome.net) really needs it... |
| 16:58.55 | koen | chouimat: to login on certain wifi networks |
| 16:59.15 | koen | over here the vast majority requires you to login using a webpage |
| 17:00.37 | chouimat | ok |
| 17:00.39 | koen | ~change 1 eur to gbp |
| 17:01.30 | koen | and speaking about porn: the person at 67.172.93.71 |
| 17:01.37 | koen | shouldn't use scap |
| 17:01.49 | koen | (as seen on http://handhelds.org/scap/) |
| 17:03.34 | Bernardo | gauge_04.jpg? At first I wondered what google screen caps had to do with porn |
| 17:03.49 | Bernardo | where on the world is that ip? |
| 17:04.25 | chouimat | US |
| 17:04.54 | koen | 71.93.172.67.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c-67-172-93-71.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. |
| 17:05.06 | Bernardo | let's hope for the sake of the guy that he isn't in one of those states where that means jail... |
| 17:05.25 | lardman | Okay, can we settle this case sensitivity thing about zimage once and for all? |
| 17:05.30 | lardman | Is it case sensitive |
| 17:05.31 | lardman | ? |
| 17:05.53 | Bernardo | zImage, you mean? |
| 17:05.55 | Bernardo | :) |
| 17:06.00 | lardman | yeah ;) |
| 17:06.37 | treke | lardman: it depends on the FS |
| 17:06.50 | treke | some fs's aren't case sensitive, some are |
| 17:08.46 | lardman | fat16 (type 6) |
| 17:08.47 | koen | try explaining that to a user |
| 17:10.13 | lardman | I'm just making some changes to the flashing instructions in wordpress on OZ.org and wondered if I should get rid of the following line... |
| 17:10.21 | lardman | "The filenames are case sensitive. Note the capital I in zImage.bin." |
| 17:10.31 | lardman | because I don't think it's true |
| 17:11.10 | Bernardo | it is, at least for the collie |
| 17:11.20 | lardman | what? case sensitive? |
| 17:12.18 | Bernardo | yes |
| 17:12.22 | lardman | oh |
| 17:12.54 | lardman | Anyone with a 6000? what colout is the charging light? |
| 17:13.04 | lardman | s/colout/colour |
| 17:13.16 | Bernardo | I don't recall right now if the updater.sh for the cxxx clamshells is case sensitive, but at best it only checks for zImage and all lower case (zimage) |
| 17:13.27 | lardman | I've changed the page: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/index.php/installation/sl-6000/ but I don't have one so if someone could check that would be good |
| 17:14.00 | lardman | Bernado: My understanding was that fat16 doesn't store info about the case of a filename - hence my confusion |
| 17:15.48 | Bernardo | lardman: I'm not sure if you need fat32 to flash successfully |
| 17:16.21 | treke | the c7xx updater is pretty flexible |
| 17:16.26 | lardman | Oops, another question now - the INSTALL file in the 6000 ROM image directory says to rename to zimage (no .bin). Is this right? |
| 17:16.28 | treke | I think it works with zImage.bin as well |
| 17:17.25 | lardman | I think it must be called zimage.bin |
| 17:18.07 | Bernardo | lardman: do you have access to oe right now? If so, check the updater.sh file in the sharp-updater package dirs |
| 17:18.21 | lardman | no, no oe atm |
| 17:18.49 | Bernardo | I also have no way to check it now (at work) |
| 17:19.18 | lardman | Fair enough. Those pages still need more work - need to have how to remove /home before flash added, and some tidying up |
| 17:19.33 | lardman | but I'm off home, got a long day tomorrow |
| 17:19.36 | lardman | night all |
| 17:23.41 | Bernardo | got to go too, see you guys later |
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| 17:46.10 | jskcr | Is mickeyl around? |
| 17:52.39 | emte | odd .. |
| 18:06.24 | jskcr | Connecting to www.treke.net[192.216.230.225]:80... failed: Connection timed out. |
| 18:08.52 | treke | the server is down. |
| 18:08.57 | jskcr | oic |
| 18:10.17 | jskcr | Is there a easy way to switch to another server |
| 18:10.25 | treke | nope |
| 18:10.30 | treke | there aren't any that I know of |
| 18:11.18 | jskcr | I guess I will have to try again later then :) |
| 18:11.28 | treke | maybe |
| 18:11.39 | treke | try again next week |
| 18:12.27 | treke | assuming it's ever coming back up it'll be then |
| 18:14.42 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh, treke.net - we hardly knew ye |
| 18:17.27 | treke | server should be here any minute now |
| 18:17.35 | treke | then we'll see if anything is recoverable |
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| 18:41.55 | Ken|JLime | is cramfs availabel for image_fs? |
| 18:42.26 | treke | we don't ship cramfs images |
| 18:42.37 | treke | oeimage can create them though iirc |
| 18:43.08 | treke | but the standard image bbs we have wont likely work with cramfs |
| 18:43.08 | Ken|JLime | oki, thx |
| 18:43.49 | CosmicPenguin | Technically, you would be able to create a filesystem, it would just be upset at the read-onlyness of the resulting image |
| 18:43.54 | CosmicPenguin | when you boot |
| 18:44.12 | treke | true |
| 18:45.59 | CosmicPenguin | then again, if you're using unionfsroot, you might not even notice that anything is amiss |
| 18:46.08 | CosmicPenguin | Until your system doesn't survive a reboot, that is |
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| 19:05.36 | treke | cool server arrived |
| 19:06.05 | Ken|JLime | :D |
| 19:06.09 | Ken|JLime | finally |
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| 19:14.58 | treke | ok |
| 19:15.02 | treke | good news and bad news |
| 19:15.14 | treke | bad news is that the machine is just completely un bootable |
| 19:15.22 | treke | good news is that the data seems to be there |
| 19:16.22 | Ken|JLime | Unbootable is in most cases a big thing |
| 19:16.36 | treke | that's fixable |
| 19:16.41 | treke | data disappearing isn't |
| 19:16.48 | Ken|JLime | yeah, agreed. |
| 19:16.56 | Ken|JLime | :) |
| 19:17.05 | treke | as much as I dont want to, I can always buy new hardware |
| 19:17.15 | treke | and I've already bought new drivers which I think are at fault |
| 19:17.44 | CosmicPenguin | bad drivers |
| 19:17.54 | treke | er drives |
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| 19:21.16 | treke | a dead fan can't be helping |
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| 19:28.09 | treke | quality amd products |
| 19:28.27 | treke | even without much cooling it just keeps on working |
| 19:34.45 | hrw | hi from home |
| 19:34.50 | XorA|gone | lo hrw |
| 19:35.13 | hrw | lo goned xora |
| 19:35.20 | koen | success! |
| 19:35.30 | koen | cvm doesn't crash when I run it |
| 19:35.59 | hrw | 1000/128 net access works here quite good - all was done in <5minutes (to config all of that) |
| 19:36.12 | hrw | but no neighbours with wifi :( |
| 19:37.21 | XorA|gone | koen: w00t |
| 19:39.49 | XorA|gone | koen: how do you get round the -lfloat problem in you sun-cvm build? |
| 19:40.09 | koen | sed s/-lfloat// |
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| 19:40.26 | koen | OE's gcc/libc have it internal |
| 19:40.48 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.14 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.14 | treke | hehe my inbox is being flooded now |
| 19:42.25 | treke | everything going into just one folder :p |
| 19:42.41 | tux_mike | ick, no procmail? |
| 19:42.50 | hrw | guys... Ania have >400 emails to read.. |
| 19:42.52 | treke | nope |
| 19:42.58 | tux_mike | ick |
| 19:43.03 | tux_mike | i couldn't live without procmail |
| 19:43.14 | hrw | I prefer maildrop over procmail |
| 19:43.30 | tux_mike | well, whatever you like, some sort of server-side rule system |
| 19:43.41 | tux_mike | i'd like something that keeps it's data in ldap |
| 19:43.59 | hrw | I have maildrop + bogofilter |
| 19:44.50 | treke | tux_mike: well this isn't exactly my prefferred set up |
| 19:45.13 | treke | tux_mike: it's more of I just added a different machine as an mx for ny normal one so that my mail didnt just bounce off into the ether |
| 19:54.23 | CosmicPenguin | fun - I got image_tar calculating dependancies - sort of |
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| 19:56.02 | koen | XorA|gone: when I have some time left I'll teach the cvm build to use OE cflags and stuff,so it will run on any platform, even hardfloat ones |
| 19:59.42 | XorA|gone | koen: cool, now I just have to work out how to run it |
| 20:00.13 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.22 | koen | it probably needs some .jar files |
| 20:00.57 | koen | when you look at the .bb you'll probably go blind |
| 20:01.31 | XorA|gone | koen: I already looked at bb to change java path |
| 20:02.15 | koen | I had to do 3 tasks : 1) compile cvm 2) crosscompile cvm 3) package it |
| 20:02.51 | koen | it only took 3 days in total, where the previous attempt failed at attempting to do 1) |
| 20:03.25 | koen | so we can finally throw away the zaurus binary + libfloat |
| 20:42.21 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3240 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): finally commit -hh39 conf files. bk sfiles is my friend |
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| 22:24.13 | treke | 22GB off |
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| 22:41.47 | reenoo_work | 'night all |
| 22:45.52 | emte | hmm |
| 22:46.08 | emte | wonder if i should use the snapshots or not ... |
| 22:47.00 | treke | snapshots of what? |
| 22:49.07 | emte | e17 |
| 22:49.29 | treke | I guess it depends on if you want something to work :) |
| 22:49.41 | emte | not really |
| 22:49.45 | emte | both work |
| 22:49.52 | treke | then e17 snapshots are perfect |
| 22:50.03 | emte | its just that the snapshots are newer than the sf cvs |
| 22:50.42 | emte | you know off hand how well bitbake likes php redirects? |
| 22:50.51 | emte | for downloading |
| 22:50.56 | kergoth | it just runs wget. |
| 22:50.59 | treke | it uses wget |
| 22:51.05 | treke | kergoth: welcome |
| 22:51.09 | emte | hmm |
| 22:51.17 | emte | i'll try wget on one then i suppose |
| 22:51.23 | kergoth | hey |
| 22:51.35 | treke | you've been scarce lately |
| 22:51.42 | emte | http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ <- is where e17 is if your curious |
| 22:52.53 | emte | works well |
| 22:53.13 | treke | so now I have a local copy of this shit |
| 22:53.17 | treke | what do I do with it |
| 22:53.54 | emte | of what? |
| 22:53.59 | emte | e17 |
| 22:54.11 | emte | compile it if you want to use it :) |
| 22:54.12 | treke | no of oe source |
| 22:54.19 | emte | oh |
| 22:54.57 | emte | you generating md5s or something? |
| 22:55.02 | treke | no |
| 22:55.55 | treke | I'm copying the source off the possibly dying drives and onto the new ones |
| 22:59.43 | emte | ah |
| 23:01.17 | treke | back up with 400gig of space |
| 23:01.30 | treke | so at least I can hope that one drive wont fail |
| 23:02.04 | emte | yeah, i am sorta doing the same thing |
| 23:02.21 | emte | cept i have to transfer across network |
| 23:02.21 | treke | I can't realistically back this stuff up to external media |
| 23:02.29 | treke | so it's the best I can afford to do |
| 23:02.33 | emte | and sort out which files are still usefull |
| 23:02.55 | treke | if people want better, they can foot the bill :p |
| 23:03.10 | emte | yeah, put a file server on your wish list |
| 23:03.37 | treke | well it's one of those problems. The machine is in a server room I have limited access to and can't have tapes changed regularly |
| 23:03.58 | emte | ugh, tapes |
| 23:04.09 | emte | not nice |
| 23:04.11 | treke | hehe that's what we do at work |
| 23:04.31 | treke | and thanks to a lovely data retention policy, we can't reuse tapes |
| 23:04.46 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:04.55 | treke | so we use a new tape every day |
| 23:06.41 | emte | must be expensive by now .. |
| 23:06.45 | treke | yup |
| 23:06.56 | treke | but that's policy |
| 23:07.08 | emte | would be cheaper to buy write only dvd or even cdrf |
| 23:07.20 | treke | too small :) |
| 23:07.32 | emte | yeah that is a down side |
| 23:07.46 | treke | needs to be able to handle the exchange store, and everyones files |
| 23:08.42 | emte | i cant really think offhand of any other one-way storage |
| 23:09.19 | emte | i suppose you could laser etch .. |
| 23:09.33 | emte | dunno if anything like that exists tho |
| 23:11.51 | treke | this old drive looks stable enough to go into my myth box :p |
| 23:12.18 | emte | lowlevel it with manufacture's tools and you should be fine |
| 23:12.49 | treke | emte: I had two drives. one was older and was the boot drive. That's the trouble one |
| 23:13.08 | treke | emte: I just figured it was a better idea to replace both than take a chance |
| 23:13.12 | emte | yeah its always the main one ... |
| 23:13.44 | treke | the boot drive is the less important one. I would have just lost some email |
| 23:14.03 | emte | true |
| 23:14.17 | treke | less than ideal, but nothing important |
| 23:15.14 | treke | had to bring my mythbox in to work since it's my only machine with enough space to hold the oe source :p |
| 23:15.22 | emte | lol |
| 23:16.03 | treke | looks like it's going to take an hour and a half |
| 23:17.31 | emte | ugh |
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| 23:30.16 | treke | emte: just put the old drive in the new machine |
| 23:30.22 | treke | far faster |
| 23:31.01 | emte | yeah |
| 23:31.04 | emte | :) |
| 23:31.29 | treke | plus now I can take my mythbox home even if the transfer doesnt finish |
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| 23:32.59 | emte | true |
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