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| 01:00.16 | Geo_KM | mithro: Tim did you get a Video Camera for the conf yet? |
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| 02:08.14 | tanq_ | does a hardware address map directly to an irq or do you just assign the address to an IRQ |
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| 02:24.51 | mithro | Geo_KM: no |
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| 02:37.07 | treke|home | hey mithro |
| 02:37.29 | treke|home | how is my favorite australian? |
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| 02:40.05 | luke-jr_ | NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: |
| 02:40.17 | luke-jr_ | How do I get my .bb to include those files in the main pkg? |
| 02:40.33 | treke|home | modify the FILES variable |
| 02:40.42 | luke-jr_ | += ok in .bb files? |
| 02:40.50 | treke|home | yup |
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| 02:40.54 | luke-jr_ | and can I add an entire subdir? |
| 02:41.13 | kergoth | why dont you go look? there are what, over a thousand examples |
| 02:41.15 | treke|home | it's a pattern |
| 02:41.20 | luke-jr_ | kergoth: I did look |
| 02:41.22 | treke|home | anything that matches the pattern is included |
| 02:41.23 | kergoth | not to mention the default PACKAGES and FILES_* vars in bitbake.conf |
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| 02:51.48 | tanq_ | kergoth: how would i go about finding the address to enable/disable ADC/DAC for a controller. Is that something I would find in the spec sheet? |
| 02:51.54 | emte | boo |
| 02:52.14 | emte | where is my man raster? |
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| 02:52.25 | emte | need the crazy man |
| 02:53.14 | raster | being deluged |
| 02:53.27 | emte | why is it raining? |
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| 02:54.13 | emte | its more a question on perspective in proceeding with the embedded interface |
| 02:55.02 | luke-jr_ | Is it possible to compile some form of GLX support for the Xfbdev server? |
| 02:55.12 | raster | yes |
| 02:55.15 | raster | rasining msg's |
| 02:55.18 | raster | raining |
| 02:55.24 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 02:55.35 | emte | use an ecore server which accepts ecore clients. where the clients would be evoak servers and the evoak clients would be applications etc |
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| 02:55.42 | emte | that sound about right? |
| 02:56.11 | emte | i can draw a pic if it helps |
| 02:58.08 | raster | errr |
| 02:58.11 | raster | what is your goal |
| 02:58.13 | raster | first |
| 02:58.16 | raster | stand back 10 steps |
| 02:58.49 | emte | frame work to build the interface |
| 02:59.22 | raster | ok |
| 02:59.26 | raster | thats one way to do it |
| 02:59.27 | raster | first |
| 02:59.34 | raster | do u need/want multiple processes dispalying at once |
| 02:59.39 | raster | your first question |
| 02:59.44 | raster | what is the purpose of the device |
| 02:59.52 | raster | will it end up really being 1 process dislaying only |
| 03:00.00 | raster | is there a big benefit to having multiple? |
| 03:00.12 | emte | right, which on a process sensitive device is desireable |
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| 03:00.30 | emte | how often do you use more than one thing at once? |
| 03:06.06 | emte | ah well he is busy anyway |
| 03:07.23 | raster | oh |
| 03:07.24 | raster | no |
| 03:07.25 | raster | njust busy |
| 03:07.26 | mithro | treke: i dunno, who is your faviroute australian? |
| 03:07.32 | raster | i have a string of msg boxes |
| 03:07.48 | raster | emte: well theres many ways to go abotu it |
| 03:07.50 | raster | foir simple devices |
| 03:07.58 | raster | u probably are best writing a single gui process |
| 03:08.08 | raster | and then have 1, 2 3 or 4 "backend" daemons |
| 03:08.10 | raster | that ipc to the gui |
| 03:08.18 | raster | that do work asyncrhonously |
| 03:08.18 | raster | eg |
| 03:08.28 | raster | u'd have a "messaging" process on a smart phonew |
| 03:08.34 | raster | that handles incoming sms/mms etc. |
| 03:08.50 | raster | as well as outgoing (flusing pending messages when the network be3comes available nexts) |
| 03:08.58 | raster | as well as sending/retrieveingh email etc. etc. |
| 03:09.14 | emte | thats what ecore is supposed to handle no? |
| 03:09.18 | raster | likely another process simply for handling call based stuff |
| 03:09.22 | raster | yeah |
| 03:09.29 | raster | thats why it has a whole simplfied ipc system |
| 03:09.41 | emte | hmm |
| 03:09.59 | raster | this means the actual functionality of the phone in thsi case |
| 03:10.00 | raster | storage |
| 03:10.02 | raster | etc. work |
| 03:10.04 | emte | i was originally thinking i'd only need two, one for gui and one for system events ... |
| 03:10.05 | raster | with or withotu a gui working |
| 03:10.12 | raster | and regardless of what u are doing on the gui |
| 03:10.21 | raster | well system events u can break down if u want |
| 03:10.25 | emte | hmm |
| 03:10.28 | raster | i'd break it down into groups |
| 03:10.30 | raster | and priorities |
| 03:10.35 | emte | wait |
| 03:10.42 | raster | things like voice/phone u want to work on its own |
| 03:10.54 | emte | i think your jumping a bit ahead of what i am thinking for a start |
| 03:10.55 | raster | so some ihhcup in sms shit cant fuck up your call |
| 03:10.57 | raster | etc. |
| 03:11.04 | raster | no |
| 03:11.13 | raster | i'm jumping becasue u need to knwo where it is u are going first |
| 03:11.15 | raster | :) |
| 03:11.18 | raster | so choose a target |
| 03:11.24 | emte | no? sounds like your getting close to writting a whole OS |
| 03:12.09 | emte | that is a definite posibility |
| 03:12.34 | emte | which wil using the IPC is obtainible |
| 03:12.37 | emte | with* |
| 03:13.15 | emte | and i recognise what you are saying ... |
| 03:14.51 | emte | i was thinking we would get a useable desktop (preferable not x dependant) and then once a few people are interested we could push other areas ... |
| 03:17.52 | raster | a whole os? |
| 03:17.52 | raster | no |
| 03:18.04 | raster | just the infrastructure to support a target device/product |
| 03:18.22 | emte | yeah ... |
| 03:18.39 | raster | well making a usable desktop |
| 03:18.44 | raster | meaqns u end up re-inventing most of x |
| 03:18.46 | raster | in the end |
| 03:18.53 | raster | imho |
| 03:18.59 | raster | why not just make an app to do X |
| 03:19.01 | raster | it can run int he fb |
| 03:19.01 | emte | using both the ecore and evoak servers should allow for the modularity in separating functions ... |
| 03:19.02 | raster | or in x |
| 03:19.06 | raster | if u NEED multiple apps |
| 03:19.11 | raster | u can run other x apps |
| 03:19.18 | raster | x will slow down display |
| 03:19.27 | raster | but it allows multiple apps |
| 03:19.36 | raster | evoak is not complete |
| 03:19.41 | raster | and does not supprot a lot of things liek edje |
| 03:19.44 | emte | yeah i am aware |
| 03:19.45 | raster | and emotion |
| 03:19.49 | raster | and such |
| 03:19.58 | raster | and likely wont go anywhere in the near future. |
| 03:20.03 | raster | as i have no time to work on it |
| 03:20.18 | emte | specifically on a pda i am trying to think of any time you use multiple apps |
| 03:20.35 | mithro | tanq_: normal they have a chip select line or similar |
| 03:20.36 | emte | maybe listening to mp3 and reading text? |
| 03:22.33 | emte | is not using the evoak server/client now a better trade off then trying to inetgrate it later? |
| 03:22.38 | emte | integrate* |
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| 03:22.40 | raster | emte: but mainly the mp3 player PLAYS |
| 03:22.43 | raster | and u dont USE it |
| 03:22.48 | raster | it sits in the background playing |
| 03:22.55 | emte | yeah |
| 03:23.00 | raster | maybe listening to button presses for next/prev/volume/stop/pause |
| 03:23.07 | raster | every time i think of it |
| 03:23.11 | raster | MOSTLy u d 1 app at once |
| 03:23.17 | raster | on the odd occasion 2 |
| 03:23.25 | raster | (u want ons-creen controls of your mp3 player) |
| 03:23.29 | raster | and thsi "on the odd occasion 2 apps) |
| 03:23.39 | raster | is almost ALWAYs 1 app plus one of a set of SPECIFIC apps |
| 03:23.43 | raster | like media (mp3 player) |
| 03:23.48 | raster | humans cannt do multiple things at once |
| 03:23.50 | emte | yeah, which is one of the reasons why i was thinking evoak, besides making it possible to make it damn pretty |
| 03:23.53 | raster | unless they use separate senses |
| 03:23.56 | raster | (generally) |
| 03:24.05 | raster | and for us that generally means u can multitask |
| 03:24.09 | raster | with one thing for audio |
| 03:24.11 | raster | another for visual |
| 03:24.17 | raster | sure |
| 03:24.22 | raster | theres smell, touch,taste |
| 03:24.32 | raster | but devices dont realyl delve into those senses much... yet :) |
| 03:24.42 | emte | lol |
| 03:27.06 | emte | alright, if we go the otherway where all apps are seperate we create a heavier processor load no? |
| 03:29.49 | emte | hmm |
| 03:31.11 | chouimat | night |
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| 03:37.29 | raster | emte: well heavier process load depends how the apps work |
| 03:37.30 | raster | and such |
| 03:37.35 | raster | how much context switching |
| 03:37.40 | raster | do they spend most of their time asleep |
| 03:37.51 | raster | generally multipel processes is mroe memory overhead than process overhead |
| 03:37.58 | raster | unless they swithc betwene eachother a LOT |
| 03:38.04 | raster | then its extra processor overhead |
| 03:45.29 | raster | anyway |
| 03:45.35 | raster | the single gui process |
| 03:45.40 | raster | plus backends works on x |
| 03:45.42 | raster | or in the fb |
| 03:45.47 | raster | or injust about any gui target |
| 03:45.58 | raster | multiple processes doing their own guis |
| 03:46.00 | raster | does not |
| 03:46.13 | raster | it also introduces overhead that means the mutliepl processes cannot share work |
| 03:46.14 | raster | eg |
| 03:46.22 | raster | they cannto share work of loading image data |
| 03:46.28 | raster | or cached fonts, etc. |
| 03:46.37 | raster | unless u have a mechanism in place to manage such a cache |
| 03:46.46 | raster | which evas defintiely does not |
| 03:46.54 | raster | it can share within a single process |
| 03:47.01 | raster | as evas re-cycles data whenever it can |
| 03:47.15 | raster | and even speculatively keeps it around just in case it may need it later |
| 04:01.42 | emte | hmm |
| 04:02.37 | emte | so even in its uncompleated state which do you think would be better suited? evas or evoak(which may or maynot use evas)? |
| 04:05.04 | emte | i was thinking/hoping using evoak we would/could restrict to a single gui (except in one optional case which would be more of a remote debug gui) |
| 04:05.56 | emte | since every time we call evas canvas now, we introduce another gui do we not? |
| 04:10.03 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.45 | raster | emte: evoak wqill limit u |
| 04:17.51 | raster | it was and still is experimental |
| 04:17.54 | raster | i wouldnt build anything on it |
| 04:18.45 | emte | yeah ... |
| 04:19.16 | emte | i just dont want a mess of processes to happen |
| 04:23.02 | mithro | ljp: yay! you are no longer owned by the incompitent devil |
| 04:23.15 | ljp | heh |
| 04:23.51 | ljp | I have been dying to tell, but couldn't. now they made it public |
| 04:23.53 | mithro | meet you in person next week :P |
| 04:24.01 | ljp | yup :) woohoo |
| 04:28.42 | mithro | anyone else comming? |
| 04:28.48 | mithro | ljp: got your talk all ready? |
| 04:29.07 | ljp | sarah, of course, and rhys will be there, amybe one other trol |
| 04:29.16 | ljp | got the outline ready, I think |
| 04:29.18 | ljp | heh :) |
| 04:29.43 | mithro | hopefully it won't be a huge disaster ;P |
| 04:29.46 | ljp | hmm. a vga cf card would be cool |
| 04:29.52 | mithro | ljp: they exist |
| 04:29.56 | mithro | io-data make one |
| 04:30.04 | ljp | ya, Eirik has one |
| 04:30.05 | mithro | about $275 Australian |
| 04:30.12 | ljp | does presentations with it |
| 04:31.06 | mithro | yeah |
| 04:34.52 | mithro | ljp: so you going to bring all the cool gadgets? |
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| 04:39.03 | ljp | ya, I'll bring some. simpad, archos, phone demo on 5600 or lappie/live boot |
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| 04:48.41 | emte | raster, you think its possible to develop a usable evas client-server setup then? |
| 04:49.06 | emte | not that it lends itself to it ... |
| 04:54.00 | emte | hmm |
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| 05:38.51 | raster | emte: evoak imho was a nice experiment - but i think after that attempt i'd rather slide something into evas itself |
| 05:53.12 | emte | i am just wondering if the full EFL toolkit os a bit overkill for a device with less than 50M ram |
| 05:53.16 | emte | is* |
| 05:53.45 | emte | tho i guess if QT works anything can |
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| 05:57.21 | emte | belch, trying to come up with a useable framework is hard now since i am not 100% sure how they fit together |
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| 06:26.09 | jbowler | Anyone seeing a bitbake build break when all 2292 .bb files are parsed? An immediate fail on the first fetch command executed - invalid syntax for "def pkg-config_do_fetch():". Possibly one of the .bb files damaging something global? |
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| 06:51.18 | schurig | jbowler: I never parsed all 2292 files, I always take selections via hordes of BBFILES += |
| 06:53.22 | jbowler | The problem is caused by packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb |
| 06:53.41 | jbowler | I think... just sanity checking - it's something in packages/gnome |
| 06:54.14 | jbowler | To reproduce just add BBFILES += .../packages/gnome/*.bb |
| 06:54.58 | schurig | jbowler: then ~lart koen, he added this package recently |
| 06:55.11 | schurig | jbowler: if it is this package, you can OEMASK it |
| 06:55.24 | schurig | jbowler: or simply remove the *.bb file |
| 06:55.50 | jbowler | Right: I'm testing that now - never used BBMASK and I seem to have got the syntax wrong... |
| 06:57.01 | jbowler | Nope, got it right - masking out exactly that bb file removes the problem. bk changes -r1.2843.195.114 -v |
| 06:58.38 | jbowler | Doesn't make sense, the bb file looks harmless |
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| 07:01.51 | schurig | jbowler: the python function in it doesn't |
| 07:02.08 | schurig | jbowler: maybe the same function is defined somewhere else as a normal shell function |
| 07:03.03 | jbowler | Lots of the bbfiles define it as a python function |
| 07:03.43 | schurig | jbowler: no, I didn't mean bb files, i mean classes it inherits |
| 07:04.24 | jbowler | Um, it inherits pkg-config... |
| 07:06.17 | jbowler | ... no, I don't understand the syntax :-/ |
| 07:15.59 | jbowler | Still, by trial and error /^inherit/s/pkg-config/pkgconfig/ fixes the problem |
| 07:23.17 | schurig | jbowler: aha |
| 07:23.21 | schurig | jbowler: do you bk write access? |
| 07:24.00 | jbowler | no: not to OE, only to nslu2-linux.bkbits.net (I memoserv'ed koen) |
| 07:24.17 | schurig | jbowler: then I'll fix it |
| 07:24.48 | jbowler | Thanks, I'm 99.9999% sure that pkgconfig was the intention! |
| 07:25.11 | schurig | jbowler: pushed |
| 07:27.38 | schurig | jbowler: your symlinks things is your way to make bitbake faster? |
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| 07:29.14 | jbowler | That's the standard NSLU2 way, I don't use it - I have a shell script to parse the output of bitbake and construct the appropriate BBFILES |
| 07:29.39 | jbowler | But I have to run bitbake once against everything after significant pulls. |
| 07:30.14 | schurig | jbowler: I have several pkg.* files, e.g. pkg.build, pkg.libs, pkg.base, where I have BBFILES += in it. Also Ihave assume.*, e.g. assume.libs, where I have ASSUME_PROVIDED += |
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| 07:30.52 | schurig | jbowler: to make the base files, I copy base.conf assume.build, assume.libs, pkg.base to local.conf and let bitbake run with that |
| 07:33.16 | jbowler | schurig: nslu2 is too fluid, in that packages are being added fairly rapidly, however I find that BBFILES += .../packages/<something>/*.bb is very effective on it's own |
| 07:33.49 | jbowler | ... because there are a whole load of package directories never used on a given machine (this is, I believe, what the symlinks stuff does too.) |
| 07:35.59 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.11 | schurig | ~bbcow |
| 07:37.12 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 07:43.55 | XOrA|gone | /nick XorA |
| 07:45.45 | RP | morning all |
| 07:47.02 | bluelightning | hi RP, XorA, kergoth, schurig |
| 07:49.52 | XorA | hi everyone |
| 08:10.57 | toruvinn | hmm, sharp's update-rom has /sbin/bcut? |
| 08:11.28 | toruvinn | previous OZ had it in his bootstrap image, no i don't see any bootstrap image and updater.sh uses /sbin/bcut. hmm. |
| 08:12.18 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.25 | toruvinn | aha, thank You |
| 08:14.34 | toruvinn | so what's the bootstrap image for right now? i can't see it being used anywhere in updater.sh script... (talking about sl6000) |
| 08:17.04 | toruvinn | asked a stupid question again? ;-) |
| 08:18.14 | RP | The bootstrap image is an alternative to the opie and gpe images. It has no GUI in it... |
| 08:18.18 | XorA | toruvinn: its the bare minimal image required to boot a Z, if you want to do custom stuff |
| 08:18.58 | toruvinn | ah, thank You. it was quite different in 3.5.2, where it was required to flash Z (since it was mounted somewhere in the /tmp, afair) |
| 08:21.33 | toruvinn | and one more thing - someone probably brought it up already here, but anyway - You said it's safe to reflash sl6000 with the procedure for slc-7x0. one problem i think there may be is zImage file. slc-7x0 says "zImage.bin", however updater.sh looks for: for TARGETFILE in zImage zimage.bin zimage ZIMAGE initrd.bin INITRD.BIN mversion.bin MVERSION.BIN |
| 08:21.48 | toruvinn | oops, i forgot i've got fat on my sdcard. |
| 08:21.48 | schurig | bluelightning: hi! |
| 08:21.50 | toruvinn | sorry ;-) |
| 08:22.01 | schurig | jbowler: I documented my build system on http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/HolgerSchurigBuildSystem |
| 08:22.09 | schurig | ups, he went to bed :-) |
| 08:25.25 | RP | schurig: Its interesting to see the different ways people work around bitbakes performance issues :) |
| 08:25.41 | schurig | RP: http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BuildsFaster |
| 08:25.51 | schurig | RP: if you know more methods, add them :-) |
| 08:27.06 | schurig | RP: I actually also have pkg.opie and pkg.gpe files, with 233 resp. 167 BBFILES in it... still way faster to build than with a normal approach |
| 08:29.02 | RP | schurig: Normally, I can get away with using -b to rebuild individual packages and using just making a big image once... |
| 08:30.46 | schurig | RP: oops, only 146 opie BBFILES, most of them are uncommented |
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| 08:36.21 | bedboi | hi there |
| 08:37.58 | toruvinn | no problems so far. ;-) |
| 08:38.26 | bedboi | e |
| 08:38.51 | bedboi | btw it seems that bitbake is too much RAM hungry for my laptop :( |
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| 08:39.44 | bedboi | i used cow patches but now i have a problem |
| 08:39.55 | bedboi | [...] File "/stuff/openembedded/packages/gnu-config/gnu-config-native_cvs.bb:base_do_fetch", line 27, in ? |
| 08:39.56 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.56 | bedboi | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'linkDataSet' |
| 08:40.09 | kergoth | you didnt apply both patches. |
| 08:40.20 | kergoth | you need to apply the one to bitbake itself as well as the other one to oe |
| 08:40.23 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 08:40.32 | bedboi | i think i did |
| 08:40.35 | bedboi | wait |
| 08:40.40 | kergoth | then wipe tmp/cache |
| 08:40.45 | kergoth | and try again |
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| 08:42.07 | bedboi | kergoth: ok...trying |
| 08:45.14 | toruvinn | works perfectly |
| 08:49.23 | bedboi | maybe i screwed something with the patch |
| 08:49.28 | bedboi | the packages patch |
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| 08:50.59 | woglinde | hi koen :) |
| 08:51.10 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 08:51.15 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:53.02 | RP | morning koen |
| 08:53.11 | koen | hey RP |
| 08:53.15 | XorA | morning koen |
| 08:53.47 | koen | hey XorA |
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| 08:58.39 | Bernardo | hi |
| 09:01.25 | bluelightning | hi Bernardo |
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| 09:06.17 | Bernardo | bluelightning: any luck with gpsd and qpegps? |
| 09:06.38 | bluelightning | Bernardo: haven't tried it again recently... do you have some news? |
| 09:07.05 | koen | also note new gpsd's also break ABI |
| 09:07.11 | Bernardo | no, haven't really had the time |
| 09:07.30 | Bernardo | koen: they broke the commands again, or only the libgps ABI? |
| 09:07.53 | koen | they changed datastructeres in the source |
| 09:08.11 | koen | Roadster fails to compile agains > 2.16 |
| 09:08.52 | Bernardo | maybe we have to wait until ESR lets it stabilize a little before changing the apps that need gpsd |
| 09:09.05 | Bernardo | qpegps is easy to change, from what I saw of the code |
| 09:12.30 | bluelightning | Cwiiis: ping |
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| 09:31.25 | lardman | mallum: I like the 'new' (for me at least) look of matchbox now |
| 09:35.31 | mallum | lardman: cool |
| 09:35.34 | mallum | lardman: I like your nick |
| 09:35.50 | mallum | lardman: IM GONNA EAT YOU |
| 09:40.21 | lardman | mallum: :) there's not actually that much of me |
| 09:40.49 | lardman | mallum: it was from my 1st year at uni where all I could cook was bacon (nothing wrong with that imho) |
| 09:43.07 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Sup? |
| 09:43.42 | bluelightning | Cwiiis: I understand you revved xine back to 1.0-rc5-r1 from 1.0-r0... why was that in particular? |
| 09:43.47 | bluelightning | libxine I mean |
| 09:44.19 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: I did, because 1.0 was broken, but then I fixed 1.0 too |
| 09:44.26 | Cwiiis | So no problem :) |
| 09:44.38 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 09:45.05 | bluelightning | trouble is, 1.0-rc5-r1 is now in the familiar feeds, and I don't think ipkg is smart enough to realise 1.0-r0 is newer |
| 09:45.28 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: hmm, That's no good... |
| 09:45.59 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Maybe try talking to koen to remove it from familiar feeds? |
| 09:46.16 | bluelightning | well I can do that myself, I just wasn't sure if it was the right thing to do |
| 09:46.30 | bluelightning | what do you use that depends on it? |
| 09:46.58 | Cwiiis | gxine |
| 09:47.14 | Cwiiis | Nothing else seems to depend on it for the moment |
| 09:47.22 | bluelightning | ok |
| 09:48.10 | bluelightning | seems gxine is not in familiar, so it's probably safe for me to upgrade |
| 09:49.02 | Cwiiis | Good stuff - biab |
| 09:49.10 | bluelightning | Cwiiis: thanks |
| 09:52.54 | bluelightning | argh |
| 09:53.12 | bluelightning | ~lart 2.6 I/O scheduling for bringing my system to a halt during bitbake |
| 09:53.29 | mallum | lardman|away: nothing wrong with that indeed |
| 09:54.59 | bluelightning | ok wtf, now it wants to build libxine-1.0.0-beta12! |
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| 10:00.24 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: bk pull? |
| 10:00.36 | bluelightning | yeah, did that |
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| 10:00.43 | bluelightning | argh oops, didn't do bk -r co -q |
| 10:01.18 | Cwiiis | Bit odd though, maybe the extra .0 is confusing it... I can decrement the default preference of -beta12 if you want? |
| 10:02.03 | bluelightning | if that will definitely help, yeah... |
| 10:02.05 | CoreDump|home | how many chars fit into one line of a Cxx0 console (tty1)? 80? |
| 10:04.30 | Bernardo | CoreDump|home: on a c1000, default charset, I get 104 chars on landscape mode |
| 10:04.45 | CoreDump|home | wow nice |
| 10:04.53 | Bernardo | 78 on portrait |
| 10:05.23 | CoreDump|home | to bad busybox's sh doesn't set "$COLUMNS" |
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| 10:21.31 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Just noticed a patch in beta12 that we should be applying to 1.0... Let me test and compile 1.0 again, then I'll push :) |
| 10:21.49 | bluelightning | ok |
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| 10:22.18 | bluelightning | I've already uploded previously built 1.0-r0 packages to the feed... I'll put updates up when I can build your patched version |
| 10:23.15 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: 1.0 should be on -r1? Either way, good stuff :) |
| 10:23.47 | bluelightning | probably should be, but I've already uploaded them |
| 10:24.06 | bluelightning | can you put it up to r2 when you patch? |
| 10:25.57 | lardman|away | Anyone know where hrw is today? |
| 10:27.18 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: It will be, yes - need to add to oz upgrades feed as well |
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| 10:28.34 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3234 10openembedded/packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: virtualize URI |
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| 10:28.46 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 10:29.10 | bluelightning | hi ade|desk |
| 10:33.33 | lardman | How does one edit existing pages in Hrw's wordpress oz.org site? |
| 10:34.03 | lardman | I've logged in and tried the "Edit this post" option, but I just get a blank page where I suppose I'm supposed to write my own page |
| 10:35.29 | Bernardo | lardman: have you received your password already? |
| 10:36.21 | lardman | Bernardo: Yes, hrw sent it to me yesterday |
| 10:36.30 | Bernardo | I still have to get mine |
| 10:37.10 | schurig | wow, nice code: for (f = FALSE; f == FALSE;) { ... |
| 10:37.12 | Bernardo | well, have to go, bbl |
| 10:45.10 | bluelightning | Cwiiis: the patch you applied, was it about disabling esd support perchance? |
| 10:45.33 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Nope, we want esd support (esound-gpe) |
| 10:46.15 | bluelightning | presumably that just produces another output plugin? |
| 10:47.03 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Yup - I'm just pushing now |
| 10:47.25 | bluelightning | I might get koen to build this, I don't have the gpe stuff built |
| 10:48.16 | CIA-4 | 03cwiiis 07 * r1.3215.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix libxine 1.0 to use recent tremor |
| 10:51.03 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3234.1.1 10openembedded/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions.inc: preferred-gpe-versions.inc: use gnome-vfs-dbus by default |
| 10:51.05 | koen | death to ORBit! |
| 10:51.09 | bluelightning | actually, now I realise why we have a libxine-opie |
| 10:51.37 | koen | because it's "hip" to brand software? |
| 10:52.41 | bluelightning | no, because normally libxine build requires esd, and some people actually want that, but opie people don't want to have to build esd and all required stuff |
| 10:52.53 | Cwiiis | Or x11 stuff |
| 10:52.59 | bluelightning | yep |
| 10:53.09 | XorA | keep esd away from c7x0 devices with 2.6 |
| 10:53.32 | bluelightning | what puzzles me is that xine autoconf should detect that that stuff is not available and not build it... if it actually did that we wouldn't have a problem |
| 10:53.43 | koen | I don't really see a good point in this build-system paradigma |
| 10:53.55 | koen | building stuff takes long |
| 10:54.16 | koen | introducing runtime incompatibilities to save buildtime is braindead |
| 10:54.55 | lardman | bluelightning: but if stuff is available (for example if you've built GPE and Opie images) it'll fail presumably |
| 10:55.11 | lardman | or rather break when you try to run it |
| 10:55.23 | koen | worldbuilds! |
| 10:55.34 | bluelightning | well we have a fundamental conflict... two apps with vastly different deps that want to use a few of the same libs with different build params |
| 10:56.04 | koen | xine plugins get packages seperatly, right? |
| 10:56.09 | bluelightning | yep |
| 10:56.16 | bluelightning | so xine is not too much of a problem |
| 10:56.26 | bluelightning | *if* its autoconf worked |
| 10:56.27 | lardman | Out of interest, what's the problem with GPE & 2.6? |
| 10:56.46 | koen | so libxine-$randomDE can die? |
| 10:56.49 | XorA | lardman: esd becomes an unkillable unfreezable task so you can never suspend |
| 10:56.54 | koen | lardman: suspend is broken |
| 10:57.02 | XorA | lardman: X doesnt switch vt's and crashes |
| 10:57.03 | lardman | ok, thanks guys |
| 10:57.11 | bluelightning | koen: if I try to build libxine (as opposed to libxine-opie) it will bomb out on not finding esd.h |
| 10:57.16 | lardman | so a few bugs remaining ;) |
| 10:57.23 | bluelightning | koen: which it ought to have found didn't exist at configure time |
| 10:57.46 | koen | esd doesn't pull in to much deps |
| 10:58.06 | bluelightning | still, you could say that I ought not to be building xine without stuff to make it work with GPE, and I'd accept that |
| 10:59.26 | bluelightning | I think we need to make a concerted effort before 0.9 to sort out these shared libraries between GPE and Opie like libxine and SDL |
| 11:00.34 | koen | indeed |
| 11:00.36 | XorA | SDL really needs a good kicking :-) |
| 11:00.40 | koen | there's enough time to do it |
| 11:01.23 | bluelightning | in the meantime, I can't build libxine-opie now either due to a change in libvorbis... I assume I need a patch from one of the other libxine bb's |
| 11:01.56 | koen | what would happen if libxnine-opie enables esd? |
| 11:02.18 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Build now with the push I just did |
| 11:02.24 | Cwiiis | (my fault it broke) |
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| 11:02.58 | koen | would it pull in a runtime esd dep, or would the esd-plugin depend on esd? |
| 11:03.00 | bluelightning | koen: in theory, it would force people doing a build to build esd, however it would result in just an extra output plugin that wouldn't affect anything else |
| 11:03.06 | bluelightning | xine is completely modular |
| 11:04.04 | koen | so a build takes 10 minutes more time, but saves us from runtime incompats and a lot of feed splitting work? |
| 11:04.11 | bluelightning | Cwiiis: I don't have write access, thus I can't pull new stuff until later |
| 11:04.29 | bluelightning | koen: absolutely, if it works I'm all for it |
| 11:04.39 | Cwiiis | bluelightning: Ah - Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" from the 2004 tremor |
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| 11:04.54 | koen | so you opie people made my life harder so you can shave 0,1% of the buildtime? |
| 11:05.09 | bluelightning | koen: don't look at me, I didn't do it... |
| 11:05.22 | bluelightning | I'm making assumptions about why it was done |
| 11:05.52 | bluelightning | but whoever did was probably after a quick fix rather than what was the right thing to do |
| 11:06.05 | bluelightning | which in the long term has come back to give us problems... |
| 11:06.13 | koen | I don't care how long a build takes and what it pull in at *build*time as long as *run*time is OK |
| 11:06.26 | bluelightning | koen: I agree with you :) |
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| 11:12.16 | bluelightning | I could go for some of that too |
| 11:13.02 | XorA | beer would work better for me |
| 11:22.27 | bluelightning | guess I'll have to settle for some banana chips |
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| 11:26.56 | jobi | hi all |
| 11:27.16 | koen | hey jobi |
| 11:27.25 | jobi | is bitkeeper still the best way to get an updated oe? |
| 11:27.31 | koen | yes |
| 11:32.07 | schurig | ipkg status doesn't work |
| 11:32.29 | schurig | jobi: the opensource bitkeeper client is also very good |
| 11:32.31 | koen | in 0.99.148? |
| 11:32.33 | schurig | jobi: it's actually faster |
| 11:32.38 | schurig | koen: yes |
| 11:33.12 | bluelightning | schurig: seems to work here... ? |
| 11:33.22 | schurig | koen: oh, it doesn't work if you mistype the package name, then you don't see any error |
| 11:33.29 | jobi | schurig: thanks I'll give it a try |
| 11:33.36 | bluelightning | schurig: been that way for some time :( |
| 11:33.37 | jobi | schurig: what are the restrictions? |
| 11:33.47 | schurig | jobi: only read, no write access |
| 11:34.00 | killefiz | which scm system will oe use in the future? |
| 11:35.56 | schurig | killefiz: don't know, ask kergoth. |
| 11:35.56 | schurig | killefiz: not subversion, too many people are against it (I'm for it) |
| 11:35.56 | koen | schurig: yes, 138 fixes that |
| 11:35.56 | koen | the errors didn't get caught |
| 11:35.57 | koen | ehm, 148 |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | koen: I'm at 148! |
| 11:35.57 | koen | killefiz: anything with a central repo is out of the question |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | # ipkg --version |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | ipkg version 0.99.148 |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | # ipkg status blahmampf |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | # |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | koen: unfortunately |
| 11:35.57 | schurig | koen: in practice we still pull/push from a central repository with BK, don't we? |
| 11:36.04 | killefiz | koen: yes - I see that this is could be a problem |
| 11:36.30 | killefiz | so it's going to be something like monotone, arch, ... |
| 11:36.33 | koen | schurig: yes, oe-devel is the gold standard for devs |
| 11:37.59 | koen | but openembedded is for users :) |
| 11:38.09 | koen | and nslu2 is for the nslue2 people |
| 11:38.47 | schurig | if we need something with p2p architecture, I'd vote against monotone, too slow |
| 11:38.51 | schurig | maybe bazaar-ng |
| 11:39.25 | koen | unless someone dedicates RSA/SHA/MD5 asics too all devs |
| 11:39.30 | XorA | schurig: monotone is not functional, in 5 mins, I setup a db, imported a small cvs, did monotone drop on a directory, its now dead |
| 11:40.24 | schurig | XorA: I actually get a working monotone check of monotone, but this took (with 0.18) over one hour. That's ridiculus. Unusable. |
| 11:40.50 | schurig | XorA: monotone currently has problems with repos with a huge history. Exactly that is the case with OE. |
| 11:41.02 | schurig | XorA: other operations seem to be reasonable |
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| 11:41.42 | schurig | in the end we'll use 'git' :-) |
| 11:42.02 | koen | that's so funny in English :) |
| 11:42.06 | koen | ~dict git |
| 11:44.06 | woglinde | I see |
| 11:44.09 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:44.17 | schurig | koen: in german we have the term "Igitt", if tastes awful |
| 11:44.39 | schurig | ~dict contemptible |
| 11:45.01 | woglinde | *g* |
| 11:45.07 | schurig | THAT word is a chamaleon |
| 11:45.52 | lardman | no, the dictionary is giving too broad a definition to it IMO |
| 11:46.04 | toruvinn | hmmm, what fs should i use for sd cards? do You know if they have their own mechanism of distributing cycles or something, or should i use jffs? |
| 11:46.44 | lardman | toruvinn: I don't think you can use jffs2, I think ext2 is the standard |
| 11:47.16 | schurig | toruvinn: I heard one using ext2 on cfcard, but I'm not sure if you want to compile this into your kernel |
| 11:47.18 | toruvinn | lardman: there's a possibility to emulate mtd over block device, well... |
| 11:47.30 | koen | most flashcard do wear leveling |
| 11:47.38 | toruvinn | mhm |
| 11:47.38 | koen | ext2 is the best bet |
| 11:47.45 | toruvinn | and noatime. thanks. |
| 11:48.21 | toruvinn | i'll try to move as much as i can to my sd card, i don't want my z's internal flash 'run out of cycles'. |
| 11:49.04 | toruvinn | btw, i was googling someday for flash reliability, but noone actually says how "long" they really work. heard about 10^6 cycles, about 3*10^5, and so... |
| 11:49.26 | lardman | I had the spec sheet for the flash chips in the 5500, I'll dig them out |
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| 11:49.38 | koen | 100k for SLC and 10k for MLC |
| 11:49.38 | toruvinn | also heard about over three years of continuouos writing/erasing which didn't break the memory... |
| 11:50.20 | toruvinn | i guess i should start logging here and prepare a faq. ;-) |
| 11:51.09 | lardman | I worked out that I'd be able to replace my Z for less money than it would cost me to buy a card to use instead of the internal flash, by the time it wore out |
| 11:51.46 | koen | sharp made me use SD for swap |
| 11:51.57 | koen | by putting in only 32MB of ram in the corgi |
| 11:52.45 | toruvinn | there's always a cf microdrive. |
| 11:53.10 | toruvinn | but it's power consumption would kill the battery, i guess |
| 11:53.26 | koen | and has moving parts |
| 11:53.31 | toruvinn | yeah. |
| 11:53.42 | koen | and 1GB of cf isn't expensive either |
| 11:53.50 | toruvinn | that's exactly why i moved to flash-based mp3player. ;-/ |
| 11:55.10 | lardman | Slightly OT - what's the name of the v4l video app in GPE? |
| 11:55.22 | toruvinn | oh well, i just love my hardware and i want to take care of it for as long as it's possible, that's why i'm concerned about that mtd. |
| 11:55.30 | jskcr | Mickel are you awake, I just sent you the .15 patched drivers for the orinoco's |
| 11:55.32 | toruvinn | thanks for advices, again. |
| 11:55.35 | jskcr | err Mickeyl |
| 11:55.55 | woglinde | jskcr with monitor patches? |
| 11:56.21 | woglinde | jskcr did you test the orignal orinocc cards with firmware 7.51 and 8.xx |
| 11:56.48 | koen | lardman: I'm not sure we have a v4l app |
| 11:56.52 | jskcr | Yes with monitor patches from the kismet crew |
| 11:56.57 | koen | lardman: better ask in #gpe |
| 11:57.06 | lardman | koen: ah, good point |
| 11:57.19 | jskcr | woglinde, they work fine with kismet btw |
| 11:57.21 | woglinde | jskcr oh last time I chekd they were only for the 0.13 driver |
| 11:57.35 | jskcr | woglinde, these are not part of the mainstream kernel. |
| 11:57.48 | jskcr | I got them patched and working for the jlime 2.6.11 kernel. |
| 11:58.22 | woglinde | hm in the 2.6 kernel is 0.14 |
| 11:58.28 | woglinde | checked yesterday |
| 11:58.30 | jskcr | Yes I know and they suck |
| 11:58.44 | jskcr | They suck monkey balls |
| 11:59.28 | jskcr | Before I switched to the .15 I would get errors and about 29k on my wifi |
| 11:59.37 | jskcr | after I switched kismet works fine now and I get 300k |
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| 12:03.23 | jumpkick | OZ Devs for GPE: please add the basic 'timezone''s package to the GPE image (it is missing from GPE 3.5.3)... ditch "sokoban" (the game) if you need to make space, but the rest of the world (non-GMT TZ) should be able to get basic working TZ's 'out-of-the-box' so to speak |
| 12:03.54 | jumpkick | so that PIM is useful |
| 12:04.33 | koen | jumpkick: all timezones are there |
| 12:05.44 | koen | jumpkick: and read the topic, 3rd item |
| 12:05.52 | jskcr | dosn't everyone use gmt |
| 12:06.09 | koen | I use CEST |
| 12:06.29 | koen | which is a TZ *and* is in the image |
| 12:06.30 | jumpkick | koen: there were timezones in the GPE time dropdown box... but they don't work right without the 'Timezones' package... |
| 12:06.36 | woglinde | bye |
| 12:06.44 | koen | they work for me |
| 12:06.50 | koen | I get the correct time |
| 12:07.55 | jumpkick | koen: then either there is a BUG in GPE's handling of Daylight Savings Time... or you got a different image file then offical http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/sl5000,sl5500/gpe-image-collie-20050407173817.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 12:08.18 | jumpkick | EST does not work |
| 12:08.48 | koen | I have a 3.5.3 c7x0 image and a familiar 0.8.2 h3900 image and both handle TZ and dst correctly |
| 12:09.16 | koen | If you find a bug, file in in the gpe bugzilla and/or report it on the mailinglist |
| 12:09.56 | jskcr | Can we just file gpe as a bug too? |
| 12:10.31 | lardman | I thought it was working quite nicely actually |
| 12:10.32 | koen | why? |
| 12:10.46 | jskcr | s/gpe/qt |
| 12:10.50 | jskcr | Just waking up here |
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| 12:14.44 | jskcr | Wow thats amazing I start bitching about qt and zecke arrives lol |
| 12:17.04 | Twiun | hehehe |
| 12:22.32 | koen | 'morning mickeyl |
| 12:22.39 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 12:24.34 | RP | morning mickeyl |
| 12:25.02 | mithro | hey people |
| 12:25.03 | mickeyl | 3.5.3 response overall positively. some bugs slipped in the release but apparantly nothing critical |
| 12:25.13 | mickeyl | i.e. nothing we can't fix with upgrades |
| 12:25.32 | RP | mickeyl: How's the kernel going down? |
| 12:25.44 | mithro | mickeyl: cool about the release before the conference :) |
| 12:25.48 | toruvinn | works great for me, so far. i'm waiting for my Z to fully recharge, then i'll install sshd there to tweak it a bit. |
| 12:25.54 | mickeyl | all: please remind people installing this on C7x0 after having pdaxrom on that they NEED to repartition to the default split |
| 12:26.12 | koen | aha |
| 12:26.29 | koen | the cluebats are allready usefull |
| 12:26.29 | toruvinn | the only problems i've found was with my wlan card, depmod complaining about some unresolved symbols (that's strange) and the keys above ok/cancel not really working (tosa) |
| 12:27.28 | mickeyl | RP: i managed to crash the kernel twice here, but always when I had the serial cable disconnected. I try to do some serious tests next week (will be away from today until sunday) |
| 12:27.48 | cedric_ | I'll testthe 3.5.3 gpe version on my poodle first thing on monday morning |
| 12:28.22 | mithro | about to test on C700 and C860 |
| 12:28.33 | mithro | this run 2.6.?? |
| 12:28.59 | XorA | mickeyl: what were you doing to crash it, so I can keep an eye out? |
| 12:32.14 | mickeyl | XorA: standard opie usage then trying to logout |
| 12:32.34 | mickeyl | it's expected that opie freezes at that time, but kernel freeze is unexpected |
| 12:32.43 | mickeyl | not even sysrq worked then |
| 12:33.01 | RP | mickeyl: Steps to reproduce any problems would be best :) |
| 12:33.06 | mickeyl | i know |
| 12:33.09 | mickeyl | will try next week |
| 12:34.31 | RP | mickeyl: ok :) |
| 12:34.37 | XorA | mickeyl: ok, Ill keep my eyes open |
| 12:34.44 | RP | As long as we don't have a flood of complaints from users I'm happy :) |
| 12:35.09 | mickeyl | right |
| 12:35.19 | mickeyl | for the next release though we should have battery lights working |
| 12:35.23 | RP | mithro: c700 and C860 are 2.6 kernels for opie, 2.4 for gpe |
| 12:35.39 | mithro | we got sound? |
| 12:36.01 | RP | mickeyl: That just needs someone (me?) to decide what led interface to use |
| 12:36.35 | RP | mithro: Yes, sound works under 2.6 |
| 12:36.40 | mithro | cool |
| 12:36.43 | RP | Not using ALSA yet but it works |
| 12:36.46 | mithro | SD, Compact Flash? |
| 12:36.52 | RP | both work |
| 12:37.04 | mithro | anything not working? |
| 12:37.08 | mithro | IRDA? |
| 12:37.12 | RP | mithro: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/ |
| 12:38.17 | mithro | we using mainline kernel? |
| 12:38.35 | mithro | RP: so whats it like to be a kernel developer? |
| 12:38.50 | RP | mithro: About 60% mainline at present. All the core is mainline |
| 12:39.46 | RP | mithro: scary ;-) |
| 12:40.08 | mithro | he he |
| 12:40.28 | mithro | i'm about to become a OEM hardware manifacturer |
| 12:41.00 | RP | What kind of hardware? |
| 12:41.03 | mickeyl | mithro: sound is broken under opie, but that's not the kernels fault |
| 12:41.24 | mithro | mickeyl: alarms? |
| 12:41.49 | RP | mickeyl: My copy of opie chirps when I insert/eject cards so something works... |
| 12:42.01 | mickeyl | no idea, but probably. not broken as in silent, but crappy because of wrong params |
| 12:42.16 | mickeyl | ~lart TT |
| 12:42.29 | mithro | i don't mind crappy :P i just want it to shout at me when i need to be places |
| 12:42.29 | mickeyl | ~lart TT again for qss |
| 12:43.14 | bluelightning | has anyone actually written a sound server that's worth a damn? |
| 12:43.28 | koen | polypaudio? |
| 12:43.33 | bluelightning | aRts is awful |
| 12:43.33 | mithro | arts isn't to bad |
| 12:43.37 | mithro | neither is jack |
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| 12:43.56 | mickeyl | if i were to continue doing opie groundwork i'd write one based on portaudio |
| 12:43.56 | bluelightning | mithro: aRts still has major latency as far as I can see |
| 12:44.00 | ijskcr|JLme | hy all ive gone mobile |
| 12:44.03 | mithro | bluelightning: guess we see things differnetly :P |
| 12:44.06 | mithro | ESD sucks ass |
| 12:44.06 | mickeyl | polypaudio is nice, but like i'd do it |
| 12:44.13 | mickeyl | s/like/not like/ |
| 12:44.14 | bluelightning | mithro: no argument there |
| 12:44.27 | koen | mickeyl: esd sucks donkey ass |
| 12:44.38 | ijskcr|JLme | mikeyl did you get the email I sent ya |
| 12:44.40 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3229 10openembedded/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf: add missing orinoco-cs to zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf |
| 12:44.43 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3228 10openembedded/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: update oz-3.5.4.conf |
| 12:44.45 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3223.1.1 10openembedded/packages/meta/opie-collections.inc: add opie-irc to base image for systems >= 24 |
| 12:45.52 | ijskcr|JLme | brb |
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| 12:48.03 | bluelightning | "esound is junk. The only thing esd has is a good client API for going boing at approximately the right time. Anything else is beyond it." - Alan Cox (used to be on xmms.org) |
| 12:48.32 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:48.37 | mickeyl | true enough |
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| 12:49.52 | jskcr|JLime | okay im back lol, mickeyl did you get that email I sent ya? its comming from a yahoo account so spam filters eat it sometimes |
| 12:50.11 | mickeyl | ya, got it. |
| 12:50.12 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 12:50.39 | jskcr|JLime | let me know if it works its only been tested on a 2.6.11 kernel |
| 12:50.47 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3232 10openembedded/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: remove duplicate preferred-provider for gconf-dbus |
| 12:55.05 | mithro | oooooooooooooo! |
| 12:55.13 | mithro | cool image |
| 12:55.30 | koen | does it have that opie-chicken? |
| 12:55.30 | mithro | really looks nice on the hires screen |
| 12:55.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:55.48 | mithro | and a progress bar! |
| 12:55.52 | mithro | this kicks ass |
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| 12:56.01 | mithro | portmap? |
| 12:56.35 | jskcr|JLime | is there a good place for opie images I need to make a 640X240 background? |
| 12:56.39 | XorA | if we teach all apps also we can get away without sound server |
| 12:56.43 | XorA | ALSA |
| 12:56.48 | jskcr|JLime | images as in jpg's |
| 12:57.02 | mithro | ALSA has a software mixer |
| 12:58.43 | emte | speaking of sound servers you could use xmms2 ... |
| 12:59.40 | mithro | ooo nice icons |
| 12:59.53 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:00.07 | mithro | and games! :P |
| 13:00.17 | emte | lol |
| 13:00.30 | mithro | web browser? |
| 13:07.04 | mithro | timezone still stuffed? |
| 13:11.29 | mickeyl | we browser is in the default install |
| 13:11.35 | mickeyl | minimal timezones are in the default install |
| 13:11.41 | mickeyl | if you need more, install those for your continent |
| 13:12.23 | mithro | okay doing |
| 13:12.57 | mithro | 18mb with web browser kicks ass |
| 13:12.59 | Bernardo|meeting | mickeyl: are you using pan or bnep to network your zaurus? |
| 13:13.49 | mithro | this image kicks ass so far |
| 13:14.29 | mithro | does this mean usb-net is fixed? |
| 13:14.44 | mickeyl | Bernardo: nothing yet. no time to do more things with my bluetooth card than hciattach and hctitool scan :) |
| 13:15.01 | mickeyl | mithro: well, it's kernel 2.6 with the usb gadget stack now |
| 13:15.05 | mickeyl | no more lineo fuzzyness |
| 13:15.08 | mickeyl | so it should work fine |
| 13:15.10 | mithro | dang Package Manager was terminated due to a signal code SIGSEGV |
| 13:15.11 | Bernardo | Ok, maybe this time I'll beat you... :) |
| 13:15.16 | mickeyl | ~lineo |
| 13:15.17 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, lineo is Where Open Met Smart or the former maker of the Embedix Plus PDA embedded linux operating system found on devices such as the Sharp Zaurus, now part of Metrowerks. |
| 13:15.18 | mickeyl | ~usbdmonitor |
| 13:15.28 | Bernardo | libipkg still has memory leaks, I see |
| 13:15.30 | mickeyl | ~usbmonitor |
| 13:15.38 | Bernardo | ~libipkg |
| 13:15.55 | mickeyl | yeah, libipkg still has problems. no one valgrinded that yet ? |
| 13:16.12 | mithro | still best image yet :P |
| 13:16.16 | koen | mickeyl: you can be the first! |
| 13:16.39 | zecke | mickeyl: I did once, it went fine |
| 13:16.39 | mithro | mickeyl: you rock! |
| 13:16.46 | zecke | mickeyl: just showed leaks |
| 13:19.22 | mithro | the fonts are a bit funny |
| 13:20.10 | mickeyl | why? |
| 13:20.18 | mickeyl | did you remove $HOME/Settings/qpe.conf before installing ? |
| 13:20.25 | mickeyl | otherwise you use the old settings |
| 13:20.39 | mithro | old settings? |
| 13:20.43 | mickeyl | from your last installation |
| 13:21.01 | mickeyl | ~root is now /home/root |
| 13:21.02 | ibot | ...but root is already something else... |
| 13:21.09 | mithro | o it uses /home ? |
| 13:21.13 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 13:21.21 | mithro | if i do a rm -rf /home/* it will all recreate? |
| 13:21.30 | mickeyl | sure, Opie is intelligent. |
| 13:22.05 | bluelightning | night all |
| 13:22.51 | mithro | mickeyl: you've done really really great work |
| 13:23.09 | zecke | I agree with mickeyl |
| 13:23.13 | zecke | with mithro even |
| 13:23.21 | koen | mickeyl: switching to softfloats is only one of the problems left for a unified feed |
| 13:23.23 | mickeyl | mithro: all of us |
| 13:23.34 | mickeyl | koen: is it? what else is left ? |
| 13:23.53 | mithro | yeah but i think without you we might still be in the OZ dark ages instead of having 3 OZ releases |
| 13:24.08 | mithro | koen: good work too |
| 13:24.16 | mithro | just about to install GPE on my C700 |
| 13:24.24 | koen | mickeyl: check for _openzaurus and _familiar and _nylon in .bbs |
| 13:24.30 | koen | mithro: thanks |
| 13:24.48 | mickeyl | koen: ah right. but that's nothing major |
| 13:25.09 | mickeyl | mithro: indeed. the transition to OE was very hard and it nearly killed the project. but now we prove that it paid off |
| 13:25.26 | mithro | RP: great work on the kernel |
| 13:25.35 | mithro | mickeyl: yeah it shows so much |
| 13:25.40 | XorA | mickeyl: OE was what brought me here, BuildRoot scared the bejesus out of me |
| 13:25.55 | mickeyl | XorA: hehe, i can totally understand that. buildroot was tough |
| 13:25.57 | koen | heh |
| 13:26.10 | koen | looks like I'm one of the "legacy-free" people |
| 13:26.13 | mithro | i used buildroot, OE is SOOOOOOO much better |
| 13:26.27 | mickeyl | and one of these days we might even have a GUI for OE to attract more of the "visual" people ;)) |
| 13:26.46 | koen | you mean people who canonly use a mouse? |
| 13:26.56 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 13:27.01 | mickeyl | the clickers |
| 13:28.10 | mithro | if i end up in germany i'm going to shout you a beer |
| 13:30.30 | mickeyl | i'll remind you then :)) |
| 13:35.13 | mithro | i'll be in europe soon so :P |
| 13:35.25 | mithro | going to a study exchange to sweden for 6 months in july |
| 13:35.48 | mickeyl | sounds good |
| 13:35.48 | XorA | mickeyl: same here if you end up in scotland |
| 13:36.05 | mickeyl | XorA: very good. i've always wanted to visit scotland at some point of time :)) |
| 13:36.17 | mickeyl | ok, I'll leave until Sunday |
| 13:36.33 | mickeyl | going to participate on a weekend teaching 40 13 year olds something about religion |
| 13:36.34 | mickeyl | c'ya |
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| 14:28.31 | jobi | tmp/work/xext-0.0cvs20050222-r1/Xext/configure: line 19922: syntax error near unexpected token `XEXT, |
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| 14:28.45 | jobi | Xext/configure: line 19922: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XEXT, xproto x11 xextensions)' |
| 14:28.52 | jobi | anyone seen that before? |
| 14:29.13 | koen | jobi: do you use the OE pkgconfig or the one from your host system? |
| 14:29.44 | jobi | it was during a bitbake build |
| 14:29.53 | jobi | I guess it should use OE's |
| 14:31.54 | jobi | I don't have pkg.m4 in staging/arm-linux/share/aclocal |
| 14:33.52 | koen | I just built a 0.8.2 gpe image from scratch, and that just worked |
| 14:34.24 | jobi | I was also building from scratch |
| 14:34.36 | jobi | must have something in my environment |
| 14:35.10 | koen | what distro were you using? familiar or familiar-0.8.2? |
| 14:36.42 | jobi | familiar-0.8.1 |
| 14:37.28 | jobi | now I tried to run bitbake pkgconfig before |
| 14:43.56 | jobi | same thing |
| 14:44.08 | jjbenham | where do I find stdio.h and other libc6-dev headers packaged? |
| 14:49.09 | jobi | koen: I had changed the symlink from aclocal to aclocal-1.9 for another package, moving it back to aclocal-1.8 fixed it |
| 14:49.36 | koen | strange |
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| 14:54.10 | toruvinn | OZ should come with e2fsprogs. ;-/ |
| 14:56.13 | treke | morning |
| 14:56.38 | treke | it's in the feeds. probably not worth shipping on the default images though |
| 14:57.00 | treke | fairly limited use |
| 14:58.14 | mithro | can opie-calander import ics? |
| 14:58.26 | treke | mithro: dont think so |
| 14:59.00 | treke | you'd probably need to go ics -> kdepim|evolution -> opie |
| 14:59.58 | treke | toruvinn: space is pretty tight, so it's best to keep the images down to things that are generally useful |
| 14:59.58 | koen | heh |
| 15:00.07 | koen | evo crashes on ics over here |
| 15:02.14 | mithro | anyone know a way to convert ics? i have one in utc but i need to translate it to a timezone |
| 15:02.55 | koen | mithro: in essence it's the same as a bunch of vcals pasted together |
| 15:03.19 | mithro | yeah i know |
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| 15:13.30 | reenoo_ | afternoon |
| 15:14.17 | treke | time to brave usbnet |
| 15:17.49 | treke | holy shit |
| 15:17.52 | treke | it just worked |
| 15:20.46 | RP | treke: you sound surprised :) |
| 15:20.56 | treke | utterly shocked |
| 15:22.05 | mithro | hrm... |
| 15:22.43 | RP | You have David Brownell to thank for it - his work on udc PXA support meant I have virutally nothing to do to get it working on the Zs... |
| 15:23.32 | mithro | hrm suspend doesn't work |
| 15:23.44 | mithro | it seems qss won't freeze? |
| 15:25.03 | RP | mithro: That's a new one :-/ |
| 15:25.17 | RP | sounds rather like esd and gpe... |
| 15:25.38 | mithro | any idea? |
| 15:26.10 | toruvinn | treke: anyway, i admin, OZ 3.5.3 rocks. ;-) |
| 15:26.11 | mithro | stopping tasks failed (1 tasks remaining) |
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| 15:26.32 | mithro | Restarting tasks...<6> Strange, qss not stopped |
| 15:26.50 | RP | mithro: This is under opie, correct? |
| 15:26.51 | XorA | mithro: exactly like esd, can you kill -9 qss? |
| 15:27.02 | RP | Did you have sound running when you suspended? |
| 15:27.07 | mithro | no |
| 15:27.57 | RP | It could be something in the sound code in the kernel is racey |
| 15:28.03 | mithro | XorA: tried that |
| 15:28.05 | mithro | it won't die |
| 15:28.09 | mithro | anyway to disable? |
| 15:28.17 | XorA | mithro: that is exactly what esd does on GPE |
| 15:28.17 | RP | I did just hack it in from 2.4 as a stop gap solution and was surprised it worked :-/ |
| 15:28.41 | treke | RP: hehe cool. I didnt even have to do anything desktop side other than add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces and run ifup |
| 15:29.08 | treke | now if I can get hotplug to work I'll be a happy camper |
| 15:29.23 | koen | treke: with hotplug you don't even have to ifup :) |
| 15:29.23 | XorA | RP: RNDIS is causing me suspend problems again, but only sometimes :-( |
| 15:29.23 | treke | koen: hotplug isnt doing it here |
| 15:29.52 | treke | ibot, ping |
| 15:29.53 | ibot | pong |
| 15:30.12 | koen | treke: you'll need some extra runes on top of the interfaces file |
| 15:30.36 | mithro | so.... |
| 15:30.37 | treke | shoot |
| 15:30.40 | treke | need to reboot :( |
| 15:31.36 | treke | broke something |
| 15:31.38 | treke | badly |
| 15:31.54 | RP | XorA: :-( If you can reproduce it, I suspect David Brownell could help |
| 15:32.24 | XorA | RP: not sure if its just my works machine having bad usb, because when I tried it at home, it workd |
| 15:33.23 | XorA | RP: Ill try and narrow down |
| 15:33.26 | XorA | RP: and report |
| 15:34.31 | XorA | oh and for reference, IRK as shipped doesnt work with 2.6, Im figuring it doesnt know how to drive the Irda device, so be prepared for pocketop moaning :-) |
| 15:34.42 | XorA | on c7x0 that is |
| 15:35.56 | RP | :) |
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| 15:36.50 | XorA | I should get one of hrw's blog pages and maintain a list of these things |
| 15:37.01 | koen | XorA: kbdd should replace irk IMHO |
| 15:37.26 | XorA | koen: it should, but I know not how to do Irda |
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| 16:01.39 | treke | why on earth did zaurususergroup.org rename their site ot oesf? |
| 16:04.31 | koen | because they can |
| 16:04.40 | treke | still a stupid idea |
| 16:05.13 | koen | heh |
| 16:05.17 | koen | my thought exactly |
| 16:19.55 | treke | ok |
| 16:19.59 | treke | I give up on kitchensync again |
| 16:25.50 | lardman|away | Could someone add ipkg (v148) to the upgrades feed please |
| 16:25.59 | treke | why? |
| 16:26.14 | lardman|away | ipkg as shipped doesn't allow things to be uninstalled |
| 16:26.25 | lardman|away | I'm told 148 fixes this |
| 16:27.43 | treke | what doesn't it let you uninstall? |
| 16:27.50 | treke | uninstall is working ok here |
| 16:28.02 | lardman | hang on a tick |
| 16:31.17 | lardman | That's my understanding from what koen said in reply to luke-jr yesterday |
| 16:31.28 | lardman | from 21:12.17 in http://ibot.rikers.org/%23oe/20050413.html.gz |
| 16:32.56 | treke | would have to talk to koen then :) |
| 16:33.37 | lardman | I'll test it myself this evening |
| 16:33.41 | koen | it's in the familair updates feed :) |
| 16:33.52 | treke | koen: what is the actual bug? |
| 16:33.57 | lardman | Yeah, I see that, but if it's an issue it ought to be in our feed too |
| 16:34.03 | treke | I've uninstalled a bunch of stuff this morning with 147 |
| 16:34.12 | lardman | treke: oh, fair enough |
| 16:34.25 | treke | koen: is there a particular thing that triggers it? |
| 16:34.59 | koen | errors manages give the "success" signal |
| 16:35.09 | koen | try ipkg removing something with deps |
| 16:36.00 | treke | ok that makes it do it |
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| 16:38.44 | treke | ibot, summon zecke |
| 16:38.46 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing zecke's coordinates |
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| 16:44.50 | koen | treke: it worked |
| 16:45.11 | koen | six minutes from summon to presence :) |
| 16:45.23 | koen | moin zecke |
| 16:45.39 | treke | haha |
| 16:45.44 | treke | ibot, botsnack |
| 16:45.44 | ibot | :), treke |
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| 16:51.01 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3234 10openembedded/packages/libflv/libflv_0.2.bb: |
| 16:51.01 | CIA-4 | libflv_0.2.bb: |
| 16:51.01 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.03 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3233 10openembedded/packages/libflv/libflv_0.2.bb: Add libflv to the repo. |
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| 18:06.48 | stealth | hi, im trying to use a Sony erricson pcmcia card, but when i pppd call gprs i get Serial loop back detected, i believe it is linked to this http://developerboards.cingular.com/cngddp/board/message?board.id=techsupport&message.id=952, I dont know how to recompile pppd. |
| 18:09.47 | stealth | where is auth.c? i look in /stuff/openembedded/packages/ppp/ppp-2.4.1/ but no show |
| 18:10.10 | woglinde | there stands only how to build ppp |
| 18:10.18 | woglinde | not the source code |
| 18:10.39 | woglinde | look in dirto/build/tmp/work/ppp- |
| 18:11.21 | stealth | I dont have it, can i download the source and just put it there? |
| 18:11.26 | stealth | and bitbake ppp ? |
| 18:12.03 | woglinde | oh please read the wiki, how to use oe |
| 18:12.32 | stealth | arg |
| 18:12.48 | treke | basically yeah :) |
| 18:13.11 | treke | you've got a fair learning curve ahead of you to do what you want |
| 18:13.38 | stealth | am i atleast 3/4 of the way there? |
| 18:13.48 | treke | no |
| 18:13.51 | stealth | arg |
| 18:13.54 | treke | you're about 0/4s of the way there |
| 18:14.05 | stealth | how is that? |
| 18:14.59 | treke | you don't seem to have any understanding of how to use bitbake, which means you'll need to learn that |
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| 18:17.39 | stealth | bitbake is compiling the source with the metadata for my target right? |
| 18:18.40 | treke | yes. |
| 18:19.05 | stealth | i dont get it, the .bb file has the url of the source, if i was to bitbake -b /stuff/openembedded/packages/ppp/ |
| 18:19.09 | stealth | ppp_2.4.1.bb |
| 18:19.14 | stealth | how would i change the source? |
| 18:19.53 | woglinde | make a patch integrate it in the .bb-file |
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| 18:25.45 | gremlin[it] | good evening ;) |
| 18:25.49 | koen | hey gremlin[it] |
| 18:26.01 | gremlin[it] | hi koen ;) ... |
| 18:26.06 | treke | well |
| 18:26.09 | woglinde | re koen |
| 18:26.15 | woglinde | hi gremlin |
| 18:26.15 | treke | I hope this doesnt mean the source archive just went bye bye |
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| 18:26.30 | gremlin[it] | koen, somethime i think u should spend more time on bools than here ;) *LOL* |
| 18:26.41 | koen | bools? |
| 18:26.47 | gremlin[it] | books |
| 18:27.03 | koen | I'm reading right now |
| 18:27.15 | koen | once in a while I glance at the console |
| 18:27.37 | gremlin[it] | ok :) |
| 18:32.05 | gremlin[it] | I start to google about micro asic2 asic3 :) |
| 18:34.09 | treke | so treke.net just started responding with I/O errors to any commands |
| 18:34.13 | treke | going to hope rebooting fixes it |
| 18:34.17 | treke | if not we'll see |
| 18:36.00 | _law_ | has anyone scummvm installed? |
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| 18:38.45 | ggilbert | yup |
| 18:38.47 | ggilbert | disk corruption |
| 18:38.53 | ggilbert | I'll have to go pick up a new hard drive |
| 18:39.48 | koen | ouch |
| 18:40.14 | woglinde | ouch |
| 18:42.31 | ggilbert | the bright side is that it seems to be hda |
| 18:42.34 | ggilbert | which is the OS drive |
| 18:42.37 | ggilbert | and not hdb |
| 18:42.42 | ggilbert | which is oe stuff |
| 18:42.45 | stealth | how do i specify in the patch file which lines to remove, and what to add in thoes lines? |
| 18:43.00 | ggilbert | man diff |
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| 18:43.35 | stealth | is diff kind of like a regex? |
| 18:43.46 | ggilbert | no |
| 18:43.50 | ggilbert | it's nothing like a regex |
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| 19:20.38 | RP | ggilbert: ouch indeed :-( |
| 19:21.43 | ggilbert | I'm not having good luck with this machine at all |
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| 19:25.55 | RP | ggilbert: Is it a colocated box somewhere in a 1U or 2U form factor by chance? |
| 19:26.09 | ggilbert | 4u I think |
| 19:26.58 | RP | Not quite as bad for heat problems then... |
| 19:27.16 | ggilbert | I think the problem is simple |
| 19:27.22 | koen | businesscards make excellent airducts for 1U boxes |
| 19:27.34 | ggilbert | standard ide drive running 24/7 for a couple years |
| 19:28.03 | woglinde | *duck* IDE isnt build foer 24/7 |
| 19:28.14 | ggilbert | excatly |
| 19:28.16 | ggilbert | eactly |
| 19:28.18 | koen | ggilbert: ftp.nl.debian.org uses IDE too |
| 19:28.19 | ggilbert | bah |
| 19:28.56 | woglinde | I used it anyway |
| 19:28.56 | koen | they always breaks within warranty :) |
| 19:28.56 | woglinde | *g* |
| 19:28.56 | ggilbert | think it's about three years old now |
| 19:28.56 | RP | Hmmm. I run an array of IDE drivers 24/7 |
| 19:28.57 | woglinde | but with softraid |
| 19:28.57 | RP | all mirrored mind... |
| 19:29.05 | koen | hw raid over here |
| 19:29.21 | RP | I couldn't afford hw raid :) |
| 19:29.40 | ggilbert | I'll just swap out both hard drivers with brand new ones and be fine for three more years |
| 19:29.46 | koen | I got a nice deal on a 3ware board |
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| 19:30.47 | RP | ggilbert: I'd consider sticking an extra drive or two in if you have the space/funds and let it mirror the data... |
| 19:31.12 | ggilbert | yeah I might |
| 19:31.23 | ggilbert | I have the funds, just not the first thing I'd want to spend them on :p |
| 19:31.43 | ggilbert | would be nice if you could completely power down the drive when not in use |
| 19:31.48 | RP | I know what you mean as I was in a similar position myself not so long ago :-/ |
| 19:32.13 | ggilbert | I'll probably do that |
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| 20:22.28 | toruvinn | stealth: can't You copy original file to name.something, change whatever You want to change and than diff -u original name.something > something.patch |
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| 20:57.13 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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| 21:26.34 | zecke | good nite |
| 21:26.52 | koen | 'night zecke |
| 21:27.47 | zecke | lets hope I'll pass... |
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| 21:30.06 | ruediger | hi |
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| 21:33.14 | ruediger | I have a problem building meta package opie-image. While configuring konqueror-embedded it complains about qt >= 3.1 not found. The installed one is 2.3.2 and there is a 4.0-snapshot in the archives. How os this supposed to work? |
| 21:39.52 | treke | you build the older konqueror |
| 21:39.55 | treke | not the new one |
| 21:41.02 | ruediger | I'am trying this at the moment. but treke.net is not reachable at the moment. Where can i configure another url for fetching those packages? |
| 21:41.38 | treke | if the only place to find it is treke.net, you're hosed. |
| 21:42.21 | ruediger | How does bitbake know which version to install if there more than one? |
| 21:42.26 | treke | it uses the latest |
| 21:42.32 | treke | if a PREFERED_VERSION isnt specified |
| 21:42.49 | ruediger | Ah, I see |
| 21:43.58 | treke | yup the snapshots are no longer distributed by hausman |
| 21:44.05 | treke | so you pretty much are out of luck building it |
| 21:45.07 | ruediger | That means no one is able to build it? |
| 21:45.13 | treke | yup |
| 21:45.23 | koen | which snap are you after? |
| 21:45.26 | ruediger | That doesn't sound very good |
| 21:45.29 | treke | maybe the source can be found somewhere else |
| 21:45.33 | koen | http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.2/konqueror-embedded-snapshot-20030705.tar.gz ? |
| 21:45.39 | treke | that would be the one |
| 21:45.45 | treke | ruediger: no one said it was a good thing |
| 21:46.08 | koen | treke: the fsf is good for one thing it seems |
| 21:46.18 | treke | koen: what is that? |
| 21:46.34 | koen | forcing me to collect and upload the sources |
| 21:46.38 | treke | hehe |
| 21:46.49 | treke | you may well have the only collection of source now :) |
| 21:47.11 | koen | I rsync my downloads dir after each release |
| 21:47.20 | ruediger | The Sourcerer of OE |
| 21:47.26 | treke | machine should be getting here are noon tomorrow |
| 21:47.39 | treke | I'll see what if any damage was done to the source archive |
| 21:48.26 | koen | treke: If you show me how I can make the my build box and/or hh.org a stash too |
| 21:48.33 | koen | s/the my/my/ |
| 21:48.38 | treke | koen: fairly simple |
| 21:48.46 | treke | I just use bitbake -c fetch |
| 21:48.58 | treke | multiple times :p |
| 21:49.14 | koen | bitbake -c fetch world -k ? |
| 21:49.17 | treke | no |
| 21:49.26 | treke | roughly |
| 21:49.39 | treke | for i in packages/*/*.bb |
| 21:49.40 | treke | do |
| 21:49.55 | treke | bitbake -b $i -c fetch |
| 21:49.55 | treke | done |
| 21:50.03 | koen | I see |
| 21:50.07 | treke | except I also do another loop to hit the major machine/distro combos |
| 21:50.17 | treke | so I do the fetch a couple times per package |
| 21:50.40 | treke | then you need to remember to prune stamps and things like that |
| 21:50.46 | treke | or you end up with problems |
| 21:51.10 | koen | my tmpdir usually lives for 3 days |
| 21:51.22 | treke | yeah this tmpdir lives for months at a time |
| 21:52.06 | treke | then I go prune tmp |
| 21:52.09 | treke | and all is well |
| 21:53.50 | treke | you could use bitbake world if you have enough ram |
| 21:54.10 | treke | but it doesnt quite handle multiple provides right |
| 22:28.13 | toruvinn | hmm, is adding sync to suspend.d (apm) a bad idea? |
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| 22:47.58 | treke | toruvinn: not a bad idea, but it probably wont do you any good since we should never be mounting file systems as async |
| 22:49.14 | koen | treke: I've seen some users do async 'because it's faster' |
| 22:49.19 | treke | ah |
| 22:49.31 | koen | ah well |
| 22:49.34 | treke | those people should be beaten with a blunt object until they learn better |
| 22:49.41 | koen | they deserve data corruption |
| 22:50.22 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:52.21 | toruvinn | treke: how much do OE files take on trekke.net, and is the site's bandwidth used very much? |
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| 22:55.04 | treke | how much space? |
| 22:55.13 | treke | varies |
| 22:55.30 | treke | between 50 and 80 gigs depending on how recently it was cleaned |
| 22:55.40 | treke | I dont pay attention to bandwidth usage at all, so I don't know |
| 23:01.57 | toruvinn | ah. ;-/ disk space wouldn't be a problem for me i guess, but the bandwidth is. |
| 23:02.14 | toruvinn | i was thinking about creating a mirror. |
| 23:03.32 | treke | at times it can be signfican |
| 23:03.38 | treke | others it's pretty empty |
| 23:03.45 | treke | there are peaks and dips |
| 23:04.01 | treke | I just don't keep track of numbers, so I couldnt tell you what they are like over all |
| 23:06.13 | toruvinn | when i'll get a better connection, i'll msg You ;-) |
| 23:07.04 | treke | feel free to set on up whenever |
| 23:07.17 | treke | it all comes down off of the upstream servers |
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| 23:08.53 | mithro | howdy people |
| 23:11.48 | toruvinn | good evening, mithro. |
| 23:17.26 | ruediger | so, I have to go to sleep. bye everybody |
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| 23:55.24 | Geo_KM | mithro: Tim did you find a Video yet? I was going to lend you mine, but it looks like I will not be able to make the miniconf now. I have to attend my grandmothers funeral in Syd on Monday |