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| 00:59.53 | mithro | anyone here know much bash? |
| 00:59.59 | jskcr|JLime | yes |
| 01:00.26 | jskcr|JLime | I have my own killer ninja monkey that does bash |
| 01:01.53 | mithro | well do you know how to get the varible which name is in another varible |
| 01:02.01 | mithro | i thought you could do ${$a} |
| 01:03.46 | jskcr|JLime | one sec ill dbl check Im on a pda right now |
| 01:08.12 | jskcr|JLime | hmm google for advanced bash scripting and look under Variables Revisited |
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| 02:17.27 | Cwiiis | https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp?se=%2B&ci=132 - Does the economy plan there sound ok to anyone? |
| 02:18.13 | emte | economy for what? |
| 02:18.56 | emte | hmm |
| 02:19.25 | emte | shoulda let me know, i could have tagged that on one of my recent purchases for free |
| 02:19.52 | Cwiiis | wow, that would've been nice.. hehe |
| 02:20.28 | emte | not actually sure what thier hosting is like |
| 02:20.44 | Cwiiis | I've had a domain with them for a few years and thats been alright |
| 02:20.45 | emte | i pretty much only use then for reg and dns |
| 02:20.51 | emte | them* |
| 02:22.05 | emte | what are you looking for a host for? |
| 02:22.32 | Cwiiis | My address without hosting looks ugly :) |
| 02:22.35 | emte | bad grammer in that sentance |
| 02:22.51 | emte | so you want a redirect? |
| 02:23.35 | Cwiiis | It redirects to my university space at the moment, I'd prefer it if I could say <mydomain>/<myfiles> - Masking is an inadequate solution |
| 02:24.09 | emte | ah |
| 02:24.15 | emte | whats on your site? |
| 02:24.45 | Cwiiis | Bits and pieces - It's in a state of flux at the moment |
| 02:24.52 | Cwiiis | Transitioning it over to a blog-type thing |
| 02:26.29 | Cwiiis | Mostly stuff about software I've written |
| 02:26.40 | Cwiiis | (hopelessly outdated at the moment) |
| 02:26.43 | treke|home | evening |
| 02:26.44 | emte | lol |
| 02:27.09 | emte | just wondering if any of my hosts would take you ... |
| 02:27.14 | emte | none are awake atm |
| 02:31.09 | Cwiiis | emte: Cool, thanks :) It's no biggie, I think I can live with my ugly-looking url really :) |
| 02:31.31 | keturn | I recently got some space at eugenehosting.biz. I don't imagine they're the most high-availability host in the world, and they don't offer shell accounts, but they're damn cheap. |
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| 02:51.09 | Cwiiis | keturn: That site doesn't display at all well in Firefox :p hehe |
| 02:52.14 | Cwiiis | wow, impressive prices though... |
| 02:52.42 | keturn | yeah. but their Cpanel seems to work okay. The parts of it I've used, anyway. I haven't done much with it. |
| 02:54.23 | Cwiiis | keturn: How reliable are they? |
| 02:54.26 | Cwiiis | Been around a while? |
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| 03:04.43 | keturn | They claim to have been around for some number of years. I have a real hard time figuring out if they have any customers. I think it's one host with a few names -- eugenehosting, portlandhosting, Errington Hosting -- and nobody writes about any of them in googleable space. |
| 03:13.34 | keturn | I went with them partly because they're geographically local to me. They probably don't have that advantage for you. |
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| 03:38.40 | chouimat | night |
| 03:40.04 | treke|home | fucking rocket scientists |
| 03:40.15 | treke|home | ordered pizza online, paid by credit card |
| 03:40.39 | treke|home | an hour later I realized I used the number that was reported stolen a month ago. |
| 03:40.55 | treke|home | so I call them and explain the problem, and the chick tells me "the credit card was declined" |
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| 03:40.58 | treke|home | No fucking shit |
| 03:41.48 | mithro | why do you have in your posession creditcards which are marked as stolen? |
| 03:42.55 | treke|home | they aren't in my possession |
| 03:43.06 | treke|home | they are just the numbers still burned into my brain |
| 03:43.10 | mithro | ahh |
| 03:46.14 | keturn | (treke buys pizza with stolen credit cards!) |
| 04:03.49 | Cwiiis | http://www.soton.ac.uk/~cil103/ - new site :) |
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| 04:29.19 | Cwiiis | Night all |
| 04:37.08 | emte | okay treke were you playing ff-online? |
| 04:37.37 | emte | i am curious if you used the new pizza ordering interface in-game |
| 04:37.49 | emte | night Cwiiis |
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| 04:51.55 | treke|home | emte: ? |
| 04:52.01 | treke|home | pizza ordering interface? |
| 04:52.08 | treke|home | I was ordering from a local pizza place |
| 04:52.10 | emte | yeah, apperently its the fisrt |
| 04:52.25 | treke|home | what is ff-online? |
| 04:52.31 | emte | final fantasy |
| 04:52.40 | treke|home | ah |
| 04:52.48 | treke|home | I can't stand it offline let alone online |
| 04:52.57 | emte | where is our evil minion raster .... |
| 04:53.39 | emte | i want to know how long the book will be valid .. |
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| 06:32.00 | luke-jr_ | Is it possible to mask everything *except* a regexp? |
| 06:42.45 | schurig | luke-jr_: yes, this is called BBFILES |
| 06:42.52 | luke-jr_ | ah |
| 06:42.57 | schurig | luke-jr_: if it exist, only the specified files in BBFILES are considered |
| 06:43.08 | luke-jr_ | that didn't look like a regexp value |
| 06:43.18 | schurig | luke-jr_: oh, you're right |
| 06:44.05 | schurig | luke-jr_: this http://pastebin.ca/9464 is an excerpt from my local.conf file |
| 06:44.40 | schurig | here i do the specify all the files that Bitbake should work on manually. That's at first tedius, but later it saves times, because BB now only has to parse a few files and not thousands |
| 06:45.34 | luke-jr_ | is there a list of system packages anywhere? |
| 06:45.42 | luke-jr_ | eg minimal stuff that everything likely needs |
| 06:46.07 | schurig | luke-jr_: no, I just made it on my own |
| 06:46.27 | luke-jr_ | 469 pkgs there |
| 06:47.01 | luke-jr_ | too bad BBFILES doesn't support {a,b,c} syntax |
| 06:49.03 | kergoth | its python's 'glob' module |
| 06:49.57 | luke-jr_ | looks fairly useless... * and ? |
| 06:50.00 | luke-jr_ | and [...] |
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| 06:52.29 | luke-jr_ | interesting... */*-native_*.bb seems to have solved all my deps =p |
| 06:52.41 | luke-jr_ | except that nano doesn't build |
| 06:52.43 | luke-jr_ | ^^ |
| 06:58.51 | luke-jr_ | gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050413-r3 fails :( |
| 07:00.05 | luke-jr_ | cp: cannot create regular file `patches/config-guess-uclibc.patch': Permission denied |
| 07:12.15 | kergoth | luke-jr_: how old is your tree? |
| 07:12.41 | luke-jr_ | kergoth: just updated from treke's snapshots |
| 07:12.56 | kergoth | are they current? |
| 07:13.02 | kergoth | afaik that problem was fixed weeks ago. |
| 07:13.06 | luke-jr_ | 4/12 @ 2300 |
| 07:13.09 | kergoth | and havent heard any reports otherwise. |
| 07:13.29 | luke-jr_ | It would be in the openembedded (metadata) ,right? |
| 07:13.35 | luke-jr_ | I didn't update anything else |
| 07:13.42 | kergoth | nothing else has anything to do with this. |
| 07:13.56 | luke-jr_ | then, 4/12 @ 2300 has that problem |
| 07:14.00 | luke-jr_ | wiped build/tmp to be sure |
| 07:14.30 | kergoth | no, _you_ have that probelm with that tree. |
| 07:14.32 | kergoth | no one else does. |
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| 07:14.51 | kergoth | do you have a rogue 'patches' directory in build, the directory above build, or anywehre else up the tree to /? |
| 07:14.56 | luke-jr_ | I see no reason to assume it's a problem with my setup |
| 07:15.01 | kergoth | i see plenty of reasons |
| 07:15.03 | luke-jr_ | I just extracted it |
| 07:15.16 | luke-jr_ | What makes a patches dir rogue? |
| 07:15.30 | kergoth | quilt searches _up_ the tree to / from the dir its run it |
| 07:15.31 | kergoth | in |
| 07:15.32 | kergoth | for patches |
| 07:15.37 | kergoth | to locate the top of the source tree its being run in |
| 07:15.48 | kergoth | if you have one in one of those directories, it'll use that as the top of hte tree to apply the patch at. |
| 07:15.53 | luke-jr_ | so I can't have a patches dir in ~/src? |
| 07:16.05 | kergoth | is ~/src supposed to mean something to me? |
| 07:16.10 | kergoth | how the fuck would i know your structure |
| 07:16.12 | kergoth | or care |
| 07:16.14 | luke-jr_ | OE is under ~/src/oe2005 |
| 07:16.19 | kergoth | then yes, you cannot, if you use quilt |
| 07:16.28 | kergoth | either rename it, patch quilt to behave otherwise, or use patcher |
| 07:16.39 | kergoth | its a feature. |
| 07:16.41 | kergoth | patcher has the same feature. |
| 07:16.45 | kergoth | it just searches for something less common |
| 07:16.47 | kergoth | (.patches) |
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| 07:25.27 | reenoo | morning |
| 07:25.48 | luke-jr_ | morning |
| 07:26.14 | bluelightning | hi reenoo |
| 07:26.27 | reenoo | hi luke-jr_ |
| 07:26.32 | reenoo | hey bluelightning |
| 07:27.03 | greyL | 3.5.3? eta? |
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| 07:42.18 | schurig | kergoth: is bitmover already down? "bk pull" doesn't work here |
| 07:43.47 | jbowler | I saw it drop out for a few minutes about 9pm two days ago - it came back. |
| 07:44.19 | schurig | luke-jr_: patcher has the same "search for the .patches" directory feature. But I guess that you could change oe/classes/patcher.oeclass so that it does a "mkdir -p ${S}/.patches" in the do_patch task |
| 07:44.40 | XorA | lo |
| 07:44.47 | schurig | jbowler: thanks. It was offline an hour ago as well |
| 07:45.03 | schurig | "ssh: connect to host oe-devel.bkbits.net port 22: Connection timed out" is all I get |
| 07:45.39 | jbowler | Right - I also tried http://www.bkbits.net (the bk link off bitkeeper.com) It was down then and it's down now... |
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| 07:54.56 | luke-jr_ | Owner Info doesn't save.. |
| 07:55.07 | luke-jr_ | (in GPE c760 image) |
| 07:55.39 | schurig | luke-jr_: that's a GPE problem, report it there :-) (but some from #gpe might watching here) |
| 07:56.27 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:57.10 | XorA | hrw|work: moring |
| 07:58.14 | hrw|work | do you know that today is first day of rest of your life? |
| 08:00.37 | XorA | hrw|work: isnt that the same every day? |
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| 08:02.19 | hrw|work | really? argh |
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| 08:04.34 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 08:08.08 | luke-jr_ | If I want to make the touchscreen itself merely move the mouse cursor and the Ok/Cancel buttons do left/right clicks... what code do I hack? |
| 08:08.18 | luke-jr_ | The X server? Some driver? |
| 08:09.07 | RP | morning all |
| 08:09.16 | XorA | morning RP |
| 08:11.33 | bluelightning | hi RP, XorA |
| 08:11.39 | bluelightning | hi hrw|work |
| 08:13.39 | hrw|work | bitmover died? |
| 08:13.46 | _alwin_ | f* - what in hell is with bkbits.net |
| 08:18.38 | XorA | how do windows users survive without rsync :-( |
| 08:19.54 | kergoth | XorA: ignorance. hard to do anything other than survive if you dont know what you're missing :) |
| 08:20.56 | XorA | kergoth: ah well, at least Im paid to waste time |
| 08:22.45 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 08:24.28 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump |
| 08:26.50 | hrw|work | DEPENDS_append = "kdepimpi-${PV}" in pwmpi should give me kdepimpi in the same version as I try to build? |
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| 08:27.45 | CoreDump|home | correct |
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| 09:02.33 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:03.48 | XorA | morning koen |
| 09:04.39 | koen | hey XorA |
| 09:08.05 | CoreDump|home | hi koen |
| 09:08.31 | luke-jr_ | When I set my Z's shell to /bin/bash, SSH refuses login |
| 09:08.55 | luke-jr_ | Is there a list of acceptable shells somewhere? /etc/shells doesn't exist... |
| 09:09.16 | CoreDump|home | might be Yet Another dropbear bug |
| 09:09.19 | RP | morning koen |
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| 09:17.13 | __law__ | has anyone compiled scummvm 0.7.1? |
| 09:18.27 | __law__ | http://pastebin.com/270699 |
| 09:21.14 | hrw|work | started first multimachine build |
| 09:22.27 | hrw|work | koen: do you have some spare machine time? |
| 09:22.39 | koen | hrw|work: sure |
| 09:22.58 | lardman | __law__: when it moans about the tail switch being wrong, does tail fail to run? |
| 09:24.09 | hrw|work | koen: as I will have c760 & collie I plan to build oz for both of them. usually I use "openzaurus" as distro and current cvsdate - can you run build like that for me? |
| 09:24.22 | koen | sure |
| 09:24.26 | hrw|work | great |
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| 09:28.50 | hrw|work | koen: anyway I will run build like that here - for some tweaks in future |
| 09:29.30 | __law__ | lardman, tail -help works :-) |
| 09:29.33 | Bernardo | hi |
| 09:30.09 | lardman | I've put a script in /etc/apm/scripts.d, and linked it to /etc/apm/suspend.d and resume.d, however it doesn't seem to detect the suspend event |
| 09:30.11 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/270700 |
| 09:30.20 | lardman | any suggestions? |
| 09:31.25 | lardman | __law__: I was wondering if that's where it was falling over - as it then complains about not knowing what machine it's building for |
| 09:32.10 | schurig | lardman: when you use pastebin.ca, then this weird PHP colorization won't take place |
| 09:32.25 | lardman | schurig: I was wondering about that |
| 09:32.57 | schurig | lardman: for testing, I'd add something like "echo $* >/tmp/log" and "set >>/tmp/log". The look at the command line and environment |
| 09:33.54 | lardman | schurig: ok, I'll have a go with that, thanks |
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| 09:37.53 | zecke_ | moin |
| 09:38.02 | Bernardo | re |
| 09:38.03 | zecke_ | schurig: your konqueror bitbake file looks broken |
| 09:38.26 | zecke_ | schurig: it seems to miss depedencies un uicmoc3 and qt3 |
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| 09:39.33 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:39.58 | schurig | zecke_: thanks |
| 09:40.06 | schurig | zecke_: it's also broken because it doesn't compile |
| 09:40.28 | schurig | zecke_: I had some problems, reported them upstream and we exchanged some e-mails. Now I'm waiting for a new snapshot. |
| 09:40.45 | schurig | zecke_: but look at line 2 of this .bb file :-) |
| 09:41.44 | zecke_ | schurig: I've seen your compile fix on the kde-cvs ml |
| 09:41.49 | zecke_ | pb_: hey, how are you? |
| 09:41.59 | schurig | zecke_: that was one fix, but it did not make it work |
| 09:42.14 | CoreDump|home | hi zecke_ |
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| 09:42.20 | pb_ | zecke_: not too bad. just been out admiring the australian landscape. |
| 09:42.24 | zecke_ | I want that old gray... |
| 09:42.36 | zecke_ | pb_: and it isn't raining ;) |
| 09:42.48 | pb_ | zecke_: actually no, it hasn't rained at all today. |
| 09:42.51 | _alwin_ | is bkbits.net down? |
| 09:42.56 | schurig | this Konq/E snapshot has at least problems, one is for compiling with Qt/E (it assumed X11), one is with GCC 3.4.x, and one is an error with kparts/kexec (or whatever it was) |
| 09:43.03 | pb_ | it rained yesterday, though, and the day before, so it was just like being at home in that respect. |
| 09:43.10 | schurig | zecke_: sun is shining here |
| 09:43.32 | zecke_ | schurig: here as well and it is hot +20 computers in a room |
| 09:43.45 | zecke_ | ~prause Uni PC-POOL |
| 09:43.49 | zecke_ | ~praise Uni PC-POOL |
| 09:43.51 | ibot | All hail Uni PC-POOL! |
| 09:44.06 | schurig | zecke_: install distcc on all 20 boxes :-) |
| 09:44.30 | Bernardo | _alwin_: problems with bk or bkbits? |
| 09:44.40 | _alwin_ | bkbits |
| 09:44.57 | zecke_ | schurig: I'm sitting at old computers, other rooms got shiny new Dell P4 machines but the air is worse |
| 09:45.17 | zecke_ | schurig: thanks to the X protocol I ssh (using kerberos authentication) into these new machines |
| 09:45.20 | schurig | zecke_: and it must be louder and hotter there (P4) |
| 09:45.22 | zecke_ | schurig: and run stuff like eclipse |
| 09:45.34 | zecke_ | schurig: which makes the machines more noisy ;) |
| 09:49.09 | Bernardo | anyone knows how to force bk to renew the lease? |
| 09:49.26 | zecke_ | Bernardo: rm -rf ~/.bk would do it with brute force |
| 09:53.56 | zecke_ | Do you guys think a Tinderbox for OE could help? |
| 09:54.06 | koen | sure |
| 09:54.13 | Twiun | probably wouldn't hurt |
| 09:55.08 | schurig | zecke_: what's tinderbox? A system that compilies OE from scratch every night for n achitectures and reports about warnings and errors? |
| 09:55.28 | pb_ | indeed |
| 09:55.30 | zecke_ | schurig: yupp |
| 09:55.40 | pb_ | zecke_: yeah, a tinderbox for oe would be useful. |
| 09:56.03 | Bernardo | zecke_: will do that, thanks |
| 09:56.05 | pb_ | if we could hook it up to the bk admin interface, so that checking in a broken change automatically caused your push access to be revoked, that would be even better |
| 09:56.43 | zecke_ | pb_: taking away kergoths access doesn't sound like a good idea ;) |
| 09:56.45 | koen | and have a but curse you on irc, just like the gstreamer people have |
| 09:56.55 | koen | ehm |
| 09:56.58 | koen | s/but/bot/ |
| 09:57.10 | zecke_ | koen: that would be an autobuilder |
| 09:57.21 | schurig | koen: s/but/butt/ |
| 09:57.26 | zecke_ | koen: and it is quite hard because you would know which packages to recompile... |
| 09:57.42 | pb_ | zecke_: heh, yes, obviously there would need to be exceptions. |
| 09:58.16 | schurig | ah, the bot and reject-push is secondary |
| 09:58.43 | schurig | and, the reject-push would make pushes slower, because then the tinderbox would have to compile during my push |
| 09:59.13 | schurig | (e.g. I push the data, the tinderbox applies the change, compiles, get's errors, rejects my push, bk reports this back to my "bk push" which was all the time open |
| 09:59.43 | schurig | or I push the data, the tinderbox applis the change, compiles, no error, commits the change and reports this back |
| 09:59.56 | schurig | again something that takes veeeeeeery long |
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| 10:01.14 | pb_ | schurig: you push the data, the tinderbox compiles it. if all is well, it does nothing. if there is an error, it reverts your changeset, revokes your repository access, and asks your ISP to disconnect you. |
| 10:01.36 | hrw|work | pb_: and send some russian to cut your hands |
| 10:01.38 | pb_ | optionally, it could also mobilise local law-enforcement authoritives. |
| 10:01.41 | pb_ | authorities, even |
| 10:01.53 | pb_ | hrw|work: that too |
| 10:02.17 | XorA | pb_: and it shouts Respect my Authorotaaaaa as well |
| 10:02.28 | zecke_ | lets hope the spline got a spare machine |
| 10:02.40 | pb_ | XorA: I get the feeling you aren't taking this very seriously |
| 10:02.58 | zecke_ | schurig: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi for an example |
| 10:03.12 | hrw|work | ~lart kate |
| 10:03.54 | zecke_ | pb_: in Germany (at least the GDR) used to have self-shooting machines, we could try to get some and place them in front of the house of the bk push'er |
| 10:04.09 | hrw|work | how to make kate freeze in 3 steps: 1. load file "file1" 2. remove "file1", 3. tell it to ignore that "file1" was removed |
| 10:04.21 | zecke_ | hrw|work: hehe |
| 10:04.41 | hrw|work | gvim rule |
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| 10:10.15 | zecke_ | RP: how does sir IrDa work for you? |
| 10:10.31 | zecke_ | RP: I thought adding stuart + pxaficp at the same time won't work? |
| 10:10.44 | zecke_ | RP: as pxa-serial already request the irq? |
| 10:12.24 | pb_ | zecke_: hm, good idea, but it might become impractical as more people gain access to the repository. also, I fear that my local planning authority would not approve if I tried to construct a large gun emplacement outside my house. |
| 10:13.03 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:16.46 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 10:16.46 | Speedy2 | Hey all |
| 10:21.32 | mickeyl | good morning |
| 10:21.53 | mickeyl | anyone know how 3.5.3 on tosa turned out for the guy whose nick i forgot ? |
| 10:22.04 | zecke_ | pb_: those shity countries obeying humany right laws ;) |
| 10:23.05 | pb_ | zecke_: heh, I don't think the UK authorities are that high-minded. |
| 10:23.19 | pb_ | zecke_: they would be more concerned about the visual impact than the human rights problems. |
| 10:24.05 | XorA | pb_: they'd probably give you permission if you disguised it as a mobile phone mast :-) |
| 10:24.19 | zecke_ | lol |
| 10:25.14 | zecke_ | pb_: German laws will only gover the 'GUN Emplacement' in regards to the number of emitted bullets per µs |
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| 10:32.11 | RP | zecke_: IrDa seems certainly seems to work for people. I've not looked at the code too closely to know how it handles the irqs. I think the irda code just extends the serial ports capabilities a bit |
| 10:32.46 | zecke_ | RP: actually it can't work :} |
| 10:32.59 | zecke_ | RP: or it is a race of initialisation |
| 10:33.22 | zecke_ | RP: I've pxa-serial.c compiled in and the stuart device finds the pxa-serial driver first |
| 10:33.31 | zecke_ | RP: it request_irq of the sir/stuart irq |
| 10:33.47 | zecke_ | and when PXAFICP comes (as module) the irq is already claimed |
| 10:33.58 | RP | zecke_: I suspect it just disabled that irq and uses its own or something... |
| 10:35.29 | zecke_ | RP: do you compile pxaficp as module or builtin? |
| 10:35.53 | RP | zecke_: builtin. Everything for c7x0 is builtin at present |
| 10:36.03 | zecke_ | RP: ah ok that will explain it |
| 10:36.15 | zecke_ | RP: the pxaficp is device is on the platform_bus before the stuart |
| 10:37.26 | RP | zecke_: I've just assumed whoever wrote the ficp code dealt with this... |
| 10:37.30 | mithro | howdy people |
| 10:37.44 | mithro | less then 1 week till the miniconf |
| 10:37.50 | RP | hi mithro |
| 10:38.51 | RP | mithro: Sadly, being on the other side of the planet, I doubt I'll attending :-/ |
| 10:40.34 | mithro | dang |
| 10:40.42 | mithro | my sisters video camera got stolen |
| 10:41.01 | mithro | so unless something else comes up I won't be able to record it :/ |
| 10:42.00 | RP | :-( |
| 10:42.21 | RP | I was thinking of looking at the videos :-/ |
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| 10:42.49 | zecke_ | mithro: :( |
| 10:43.07 | pb_ | RP: heh. there is still time to travel to Australia before the conference. |
| 10:43.10 | mithro | yeah, it sucks :/ |
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| 10:43.20 | mithro | pb_: the conference is sold out however :/ |
| 10:43.34 | pb_ | mithro: ah, that's too bad |
| 10:43.41 | gremlin[it] | hi to all |
| 10:44.09 | mithro | pb_: wouldn't happen to know anyone with digital vidcams? |
| 10:44.16 | pb_ | nope, sorry |
| 10:44.37 | kergoth | bleh |
| 10:44.51 | hrw|work | hi gremlin[it] |
| 10:44.55 | pb_ | kergoth: morning (!) |
| 10:45.04 | mithro | i'll keep looking |
| 10:45.08 | hrw|work | kergoth: hi |
| 10:47.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:47.10 | kergoth | hey |
| 10:50.14 | pb_ | bbl |
| 10:52.28 | zecke_ | kergoth: hey |
| 10:54.49 | hrw|work | what happened to that guy who wrote bitbake parser in C? |
| 10:55.42 | koen | he works on his own system now |
| 10:58.13 | hrw|work | ah |
| 10:58.26 | hrw|work | building on 768M system is hard |
| 10:58.51 | hrw|work | top mem eaters: python, firefox, kontact |
| 11:02.04 | RP | I still think something with bpp being taught how to handle the dependency tree would give a good medium term solution... |
| 11:02.24 | RP | Longer term, I'd like to see the python in oe replaced with lua |
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| 11:17.34 | CoreDump|home | any shell redirection gods here? Is it possible to redirect the output of a command to a file *and* print it to the console at the same time? |
| 11:17.41 | hrw|work | tee |
| 11:17.43 | hrw|work | man tee |
| 11:17.54 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: thanks! |
| 11:18.39 | CoreDump|home | the bash redirection manual gave me the creeps |
| 11:18.47 | hrw|work | ;) |
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| 11:57.44 | gremlin[it] | i go back to work .... byeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 12:17.06 | hrw|work | koen|itc: I should include or inherit multimachine.inc? |
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| 12:33.06 | ade|desk | afternoon folks |
| 12:33.28 | bluelightning | hi ade|desk |
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| 12:49.53 | chris144|work | hi folks |
| 12:50.07 | hrw|work | NOTE:[14:35] package bootstrap-image-1.0: completed |
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| 13:16.51 | Bernardo | hrw|work: for what machine? |
| 13:17.11 | hrw|work | Bernardo: collie/c7x0 now building |
| 13:17.47 | Bernardo | great |
| 13:17.48 | hrw|work | NOTE:[15:17] multiple providers are available (glibc, glibc-intermediate); |
| 13:17.48 | hrw|work | NOTE:[15:17] consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-linux-libc-for-gcc |
| 13:17.49 | hrw|work | NOTE:[15:17] multiple providers are available (modutils-cross, module-init-tools-cross); |
| 13:17.52 | hrw|work | NOTE:[15:17] consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-linux-depmod |
| 13:17.54 | hrw|work | hmmm |
| 13:18.06 | Bernardo | http://developer.ezaurus.com/sl_j/source/source_dl_c1000.htm still gives 404... |
| 13:22.56 | XorA | hrmm, bkbits still bombed :-( |
| 13:23.03 | hrw|work | yep.. |
| 13:23.09 | hrw|work | I have kdepim 2.0.26 to push |
| 13:25.12 | hrw|work | s/pim/pimpi |
| 13:28.41 | Bernardo | what did you do, that zautrixnow isn't deleting old versions anymore? |
| 13:29.10 | hrw|work | dont know |
| 13:29.30 | hrw|work | it was before I send him letter about oz 3.5.3 with another patch |
| 13:31.42 | __law__ | NOTE: package scummvm-0.7.1: completed :-) |
| 13:31.44 | bluelightning | night all |
| 13:31.51 | hrw|work | n8 bluelightning |
| 13:31.56 | hrw|work | __law__: does it work? |
| 13:32.25 | __law__ | hrw|work, i cant test it now, my Z is at home :-( |
| 13:32.37 | hrw|work | ah.. |
| 13:32.44 | hrw|work | anyway sent patches to oe ml |
| 13:32.46 | koen | hrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/OZ/ |
| 13:33.34 | hrw|work | koen: argh... I'm just building bootstrap for c7x0 here.. |
| 13:33.38 | hrw|work | koen: thx |
| 13:33.40 | __law__ | hrw|work,ok |
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| 13:38.28 | koen | hrw|work: c7x0 is 2.6 based |
| 13:38.43 | hrw|work | koen: all that in 4h... beast machine |
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| 13:39.50 | koen | hrw|work: it only runs OE build and it has loads of ram |
| 13:40.07 | hrw|work | and lots of cpu power |
| 13:40.28 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/phpsysinfo/ |
| 13:40.33 | hrw|work | I saw that |
| 13:40.38 | koen | it was a "leftover" at the university |
| 13:41.15 | koen | someone forgot to fill in a form :) |
| 13:42.07 | hrw|work | I fucked up something with multimachine build |
| 13:42.34 | hrw|work | will probable remove all and rebuild again ;( |
| 13:43.05 | koen | hrw|work: http://pastebin.ca/9474 |
| 13:43.37 | hrw|work | koen: tmpdir is cleaning now |
| 13:43.43 | hrw|work | cleaned |
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| 13:48.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:49.55 | mickeyl | hi |
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| 14:07.55 | mickeyl | RP: feel free to break linux-openzaurus now btw. |
| 14:08.00 | mickeyl | the final images are out |
| 14:08.04 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 14:09.54 | Bernardo | mickeyl: great |
| 14:10.24 | XorA | three cheers for mickeyl |
| 14:10.27 | mickeyl | indeed. just waiting for the last tosa confirmation and then I'll post the announcement |
| 14:11.40 | hrw|work | ~hail mickeyl ;) |
| 14:11.43 | ibot | ACTION bows down to mickeyl ;) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:12.34 | lardman|away | mickeyl: great news |
| 14:14.50 | hrw|work | hmm.. one idea I got ;) |
| 14:15.14 | hrw|work | write a script which will do "bitbake -n targets" and then bitbake -b one by one.. |
| 14:16.07 | hrw|work | mickeyl: I will have to send passwords to wordpress by hand - sf.net does not allow to send mails rather... |
| 14:17.10 | hrw|work | on #openzaurus people just discovered 3.5.3 dir ;) |
| 14:20.03 | mickeyl | k |
| 14:20.06 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:20.10 | mickeyl | i just moved it |
| 14:20.17 | mickeyl | and finished ReleaseNotes text file |
| 14:20.29 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: Can I upload some packages to the upgrades feed? (new matchbox, gxine) |
| 14:20.55 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: go ahead. please respect README.Policy and update README |
| 14:21.01 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: Will do |
| 14:21.23 | lardman | mickeyl: have you got some text for an announcement on ZUG |
| 14:22.08 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: will you take care of GPE part in upgrades? |
| 14:22.16 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: then I will take opie and rest |
| 14:22.16 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Sure thing |
| 14:22.42 | hrw|work | good |
| 14:22.51 | hrw|work | pizaa arrived |
| 14:23.07 | lardman | From a quick browse of the 3.5.3 dir, am I right in thinking that for the c7x0 machines Opie is 2.6.11 and GPE is still 2.4.18? |
| 14:23.14 | emte | must be hard on the teeth chewing that tower |
| 14:23.33 | mickeyl | lardman: please copy it from http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ReleaseNotes |
| 14:23.40 | mickeyl | lardman: yes, gpe unfortunately still 2.4.18 |
| 14:23.53 | lardman | mickeyl: ok, I'll stick that up on ZUG now |
| 14:24.41 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: ipkg goes funny when updating currently-accessed files sometimes.. I'll add something to the release notes about it |
| 14:24.48 | hrw|work | this time we got changelog ;) |
| 14:24.52 | HCl | 5500 is still 2.4.x ? |
| 14:24.58 | HCl | if you want mmc, that is |
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| 14:25.10 | koen | Cwiiis: I think that's jffs2 related |
| 14:25.24 | Cwiiis | koen: Ah, ok - still, important as I need to add updated matchbox to the upgrades feed |
| 14:25.43 | hrw|work | HCl: collie is 2.4 if you want working |
| 14:25.50 | hrw|work | 2.6 on collie is experimental |
| 14:26.06 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: Once I've added the packages to README, should I remove the example? Also, should the lines go between each update, each pacakge, or just at the start and end of the file? |
| 14:26.27 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: look in 352 |
| 14:26.40 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Good idea :) |
| 14:26.56 | hrw|work | use spaces, noy tabs |
| 14:27.07 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: k |
| 14:27.28 | HCl | k |
| 14:27.30 | HCl | thought so |
| 14:27.43 | mickeyl | HCI: only one person interested in kernel developing |
| 14:27.46 | mickeyl | takes much time |
| 14:27.53 | mickeyl | wanna join? :D |
| 14:28.03 | HCl | already got other projects |
| 14:28.15 | HCl | from what i can recall, the sd/mmc would need some sort of wrapper module? |
| 14:28.23 | mickeyl | nope |
| 14:28.29 | mickeyl | no way with a wrapper |
| 14:28.30 | HCl | does sd/mmc work? |
| 14:28.32 | mickeyl | just forget about it |
| 14:28.39 | mickeyl | will never work until sharp releases source |
| 14:28.39 | emte | always funny how people complain about certain devices that dont have 2.6 and then dont whant to help |
| 14:28.55 | HCl | i never said i don't want to help. |
| 14:29.04 | emte | was specific to you |
| 14:29.08 | emte | wasnt* |
| 14:29.11 | emte | bad me |
| 14:29.47 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Is there an upgrades feed for -dev pages? Unlikely that anyone would want them, but I notice they weren't added before |
| 14:29.50 | emte | now where is raster .. |
| 14:30.00 | hrw|work | add them |
| 14:30.02 | emte | maybe he went on a holiday |
| 14:30.10 | lardman | typo in release notes: the line with the URL for changelog still references .3.5.3 |
| 14:30.51 | emte | yeah, trying to make a decision if its best to use the ecore client/server and and evoak desktop |
| 14:30.57 | hrw|work | lardman: really? |
| 14:31.00 | hrw|work | (just removed) |
| 14:31.21 | lardman | hrw|work: ? you fixed it? |
| 14:31.28 | lardman | yes |
| 14:31.30 | hrw|work | why not |
| 14:31.42 | lardman | no, I was wondering why you said "really" |
| 14:31.44 | Bernardo | mickeyl: even if someone we knows decides to work on the sd/mmc drievr? |
| 14:32.47 | mickeyl | Bernardo: that would be a chance, but it's highly unlikely that he will do so |
| 14:32.57 | mickeyl | can anyone of you please do md5sums? |
| 14:33.08 | mickeyl | i need to go and will be out for until late tonite |
| 14:33.11 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 14:34.07 | hrw|work | will do md5 |
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| 14:34.51 | reenoo_ | afternoon |
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| 14:40.53 | lardman | Some of the stuff in http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes is a bit old, or is /etc/resolv.conf still a dead symlink, etc.? |
| 14:41.31 | koen | dead symlink? |
| 14:41.41 | lardman | it's one of the notes on that page |
| 14:41.52 | koen | it's a symlink, but not dead |
| 14:42.03 | lardman | the page needs to be changed then |
| 14:42.39 | koen | it points to a ramdisk to prevent wearing out the flash |
| 14:43.23 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: I'm pretty sure the newer libvorbisidec in the libs feed breaks things, what should I do about that? (I have a working version, but it's dated earlier) |
| 14:43.28 | lardman | I'm not contesting that, just that the issue has been on the page for a long time, and is probably not true any more, and that page is linked from the release notes |
| 14:43.46 | reenoo_ | lardman: #openzaurus |
| 14:44.03 | lardman | reenoo_: yep, I felt myself slipping that way ;) |
| 14:44.10 | emte | tally me banana |
| 14:45.08 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: go through all packages in OE and fix them to use one libvorbisdec |
| 14:45.38 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: I've already made the good version the default, and fixed libxine to use it (libxine-opie used it already) |
| 15:01.38 | hrw|work | lardman: can you close threads about 3.5.3-pre images? |
| 15:02.55 | Cwiiis | lardman: Don't close my thread, I'll edit it |
| 15:04.54 | lardman | hrw|work: Will do |
| 15:05.19 | lardman | Cwiiis: Okay, do yo uwant me to close it after you've changed it? |
| 15:05.19 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: What shall I do with the broken libvorbisidec? |
| 15:05.38 | XorA | Cwiiis: should OZ be using tremor? |
| 15:05.44 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: dont know now |
| 15:05.50 | Cwiiis | lardman: There aren't many posts, I think it'd be ok to stay and be used as an informational thread |
| 15:05.51 | lardman | hrw|work: you're talking about the upgrades thread? |
| 15:05.59 | Cwiiis | XorA: It does (tremor produces a package called libvorbisidec) |
| 15:06.02 | lardman | Cwiiis: ok |
| 15:06.22 | hrw|work | lardman: yes |
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| 15:06.37 | XorA | Cwiiis: my bad, missed the extra i in there :-) |
| 15:08.13 | emte | hmm |
| 15:08.32 | ruediger | NOTE: package pkgconfig-native-0.15.0-r1: task do_fetch: failed |
| 15:08.34 | ruediger | Hi, I have a lot of trouble with builing packages under openembedded. At the moment I get |
| 15:08.37 | emte | i should probably install the headers before i try to compile something that depends on em |
| 15:08.48 | ruediger | oops, the wrong way round :) |
| 15:09.03 | hrw|work | ruediger: update bb file to 0.17.0 and look does it still work - then send patch to oe ml |
| 15:10.37 | ruediger | hrw|work: which bb file? |
| 15:11.06 | hrw|work | packages/pkgconfig/ one |
| 15:12.08 | hrw|work | schurig: ignore mail with password "yen0Eidi" |
| 15:12.13 | ruediger | hrw|work: How do I do that? I got an export from yesterday. In this snapshot there is only 0.15.0 |
| 15:12.52 | hrw|work | ruediger: rename it to 0.17.0 and test |
| 15:12.59 | ruediger | hrw|work: And it has nothing to do with pkgconfig as every package I try to build fails |
| 15:13.14 | hrw|work | lardman, mickeyl, schurig: I send you password to oz wordpress |
| 15:13.40 | ruediger | hrw|work: Sometimes it fails while doing do_fetch without any reason. Sometimes it fails while doing do_unpack |
| 15:14.52 | schurig | ruediger: you can do "bitbake -c fetch world" |
| 15:15.10 | schurig | ruediger: one problem we have is that not all files are mirrored on all SF-mirrors |
| 15:15.26 | schurig | ruediger: so sometimes I have to adjust my SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR in my local.conf manually, if some fetch did not work |
| 15:15.45 | schurig | ruediger: the good news: once the file is there, it won't be re-fetched :-) |
| 15:16.22 | ruediger | schurig: The problem is not depending on the network. The do_fetch fails immediately not after a network timeout. And at the same time I don't have a problem fetching from the same URI |
| 15:16.39 | ruediger | schurig: with wget |
| 15:16.49 | schurig | ruediger: then show us your error messages, via http://pastebin.ca |
| 15:17.13 | schurig | ruediger: what I described has nothing to do with a network timeout |
| 15:18.04 | schurig | ruediger: if a file is not mirrored on http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge, I won't get a network timeout, but a "401". But then it's probably on http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge |
| 15:19.29 | ruediger | schurig: No, the files _are_ there. If I use the URI from the error message and try to get it with wget there is no problem |
| 15:19.46 | schurig | ruediger: again, show us the error message |
| 15:19.52 | ruediger | schurig: ok |
| 15:21.27 | ruediger | http://pastebin.ca/9475 |
| 15:23.01 | ruediger | schurig: Ist this URL what you need. |
| 15:24.50 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: I'll have to include a note for gpe uses about libvorbisidec, too much depends on it at the moment... (opie-mediaplayer*, libxine-opie (which isn't in the feed?), gst-plugins (also not in the feed?)) |
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| 15:25.10 | schurig | ruediger: please do this command (or equivalent): bitbake -b oe/packages/pkgconfig/pkgconfig_0.15.0.bb -c fetch -Df |
| 15:25.13 | schurig | the -D is debug |
| 15:25.16 | schurig | the -f is force |
| 15:25.37 | schurig | with -b you only do one .bb file |
| 15:25.43 | schurig | -c tells it to do the fetch only |
| 15:25.55 | schurig | ruediger: now we should see the command used |
| 15:27.04 | schurig | ruediger: BTW, my fetch of this file at freedesktop failed, too. I got a 302 (Moved temporarily) and the file was not fetched from http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkgconfig/releases/pkgconfig-0.15.0.tar.gz, but fromhttp://pkgconfig.freedesktop.org/releases/pkgconfig-0.15.0.tar.gz |
| 15:27.12 | emte | lets see, hopefully the ecore server likes us ... |
| 15:27.13 | schurig | ruediger: maybe your wget doesn't know how to handle the 302 |
| 15:27.35 | ruediger | schurig: It does. The download succeeded this time |
| 15:28.14 | schurig | ruediger: then run you bitbake with -D until you hit this weird error again, then pastebin and ask for advice ... |
| 15:28.54 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: You said not to use tabs in the README btw... but the template has tabs :/ What should I do about that? |
| 15:29.04 | hrw|work | retab it |
| 15:29.13 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: So I should use tabs? |
| 15:29.19 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: I use tabstop=4, some use tabstop=8 etc.. - no spaces |
| 15:29.21 | hrw|work | spaces |
| 15:29.24 | ruediger | schurig: Ok, but is there a possibility the get even more debug messages. I'm capable of finding most of the bugs on my own. But I didn't find any of the -D messages helpful |
| 15:29.36 | schurig | -D is a good option |
| 15:30.21 | schurig | you can also look into oe/conf/bitbake.conf. There is a variable that defines which wget options to use for downloading. Copy this into your local.conf and add the verbosity and debug options for wget that you like |
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| 15:30.51 | ruediger | schurig: Is it a problem to interrupt a bitbake build with ctrl-c and continue later on? |
| 15:31.23 | schurig | ruediger: depends. Usually it shouldnt. If some package is in a weird state, then you can always "bitbake -c clean -b <bbfile>" to get rid of the working dir/stamps |
| 15:32.09 | schurig | ruediger: if you have a halfway downloaded file, then wget should continue. If not, remove the file from the tmp/downloads directory, as well as it's .md5 file |
| 15:32.15 | ruediger | http://pastebin.ca/9476 |
| 15:33.21 | schurig | ruediger: I agree, this error message isn't THAT helpful |
| 15:33.42 | schurig | I use the "bitbake -c clean -b <bb>"-approach so often that I made a /usr/local/bin/bbclean file :-) |
| 15:34.12 | ruediger | schurig: should I try to clean this package now? |
| 15:34.19 | hrw|work | schurig: I have alias bbrebuild |
| 15:34.43 | schurig | ruediger: please look if your tmp/downloads/pkgconfig* file is correct, e.g. do a tar tvzf tmp/downloads/pkgconfig-0.15.0.tar.gz |
| 15:34.53 | schurig | it might still be the case that your wget is weird |
| 15:34.58 | CP|Laptop | It might be a html file |
| 15:35.11 | schurig | ruediger: it's .md5 file should contain a7e4f60a6657dbc434334deb594cc242 |
| 15:35.28 | CP|Laptop | Sourceforge does that alot |
| 15:35.37 | schurig | hrw|work: bbrebuild does bbclean, then bitbake -b <jdhjshf> for me :-) |
| 15:36.00 | ruediger | ruediger@fettsack:/home/slug/build$ md5sum ../sources/pkgconfig-0.15.0.tar.gz |
| 15:36.00 | ruediger | a7e4f60a6657dbc434334deb594cc242 ../sources/pkgconfig-0.15.0.tar.gz |
| 15:37.04 | ruediger | schurig: I tested that already. I think it is bitbake. I had a weird error while doing do_compile |
| 15:37.18 | schurig | ruediger: okay, if all else fails, then dig into oe/classes/base.bbclass, I think the do_unpack_base() function is what you need to debug |
| 15:37.42 | schurig | ruediger: the problem is that bitbake works for months for more than 20 people, that do tons of fetches/compilations with it |
| 15:38.05 | schurig | ruediger: base_do_unpack() is the name |
| 15:38.21 | ruediger | schurig: Yes, but everything is perfect until it fails ;) |
| 15:38.23 | hrw|work | schurig: ;) |
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| 15:43.10 | schurig | hrw|work: Warning: main(class.phpmailer.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-phpmailer/wp-phpmailer.php on line 67 |
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| 15:43.49 | hrw|work | schurig: I know - will change it |
| 15:46.43 | hrw|work | schurig: fixed |
| 15:47.45 | ruediger | Is it possible to avoid letting bitbake read all files at start? |
| 15:48.25 | toruvinn | ruediger: -b /path/to/.bb-file |
| 15:48.50 | schurig | ruediger: or masses of BBFILES +=, one for each file you want |
| 15:49.07 | schurig | ruediger: or BBMASK, to mask out files you don't like |
| 15:49.15 | woglinde | hi ruediger |
| 15:49.18 | schurig | ~bbcow |
| 15:49.20 | ibot | i guess bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 15:49.22 | toruvinn | btw, thanks for fixing qpf-freemono-1.0 |
| 15:49.24 | ruediger | hi woglinde |
| 15:49.31 | schurig | ruediger: bbcow is for you if you want to read ALL files |
| 15:51.45 | koen | ~bbcow |
| 15:51.46 | ibot | hmm... bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 15:52.54 | schurig | ruediger: I'm going home, good luck :-) |
| 15:53.07 | ruediger | schurig: thanks, |
| 15:53.52 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Is opie-mediaplayer2 installable with the current feeds? libxine-opie seems to be missing, I can't see how it would work without it, unless it's statically linked or something? |
| 15:54.19 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: dont know sorry |
| 15:54.30 | Cwiiis | ah well, I'm sure users will inform us :) |
| 15:58.46 | lardman | was the updater.sh for the 6000 made to use the same filenames as the others? |
| 16:03.25 | woglinde | hm is openembedded.bkbits.net down? |
| 16:05.38 | jbowler | yes, tis down. I believe it's been down for about 9 hours now - anyone know different? (I was asleep...)( |
| 16:10.30 | CosmicPenguin | Anyon tried the Epia source drivers? They any good? |
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| 16:23.30 | chris144|work | bye guys |
| 16:34.29 | hrw|work | bye |
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| 17:35.51 | lesd | hi all |
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| 17:37.33 | lesd | is there a website on how to write a machine conf? |
| 17:39.05 | Crofton__ | lesd, not that I know off |
| 17:39.41 | Crofton__ | For the osk board I'm using I just startedhacking away |
| 17:39.49 | lesd | ok... so i have to figure out miself :) |
| 17:40.27 | Crofton__ | yeah, I don't think it is that hard |
| 17:41.13 | Crofton__ | I would like to see a philosophy discussion on how to divide stuff between distro, machine, and packages though |
| 17:41.21 | lesd | :) well depends on how good you know all the parameters... i'm new to oe so... |
| 17:41.38 | Crofton__ | So was I a couple of months ago :) |
| 17:41.51 | mickey|sports | read my presentation slides |
| 17:41.55 | mickey|sports | they'll tell ya |
| 17:42.02 | mickey|sports | vanille.de/tools/FOSDEM2005.pdf |
| 17:42.05 | mickey|sports | bbl |
| 17:42.20 | lesd | mickey: ill do so! |
| 17:43.29 | Crofton__ | damn ggv vomited on the pdf |
| 17:43.39 | Crofton__ | er s/damn/bother/ |
| 18:00.07 | Cwiiis | argh... What do do when putting machine-dependent ipks in the upgrades dir? |
| 18:00.41 | treke | Cwiiis: just tossing them in should be fine |
| 18:00.58 | treke | upload source when you do upgrades as weel. |
| 18:01.13 | Cwiiis | treke: "Skipped old file: ./matchbox-wm_0.9.4-r0_collie.ipk (././matchbox-wm_0.9.4-r0_armv5te.ipk is newer)" |
| 18:01.35 | koen | ah, that old bug |
| 18:01.46 | koen | I just fixed the familiar feeds because of that |
| 18:02.01 | Cwiiis | What did you do to fix it? |
| 18:02.18 | treke | but never upload bins without source :p |
| 18:02.21 | koen | upload the packages and *don't* use -m |
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| 18:02.36 | Cwiiis | treke: Sorry, was just following trend from 3.5.2 |
| 18:02.46 | treke | the trend from 3.5.2 was flat out wrong |
| 18:03.37 | Cwiiis | treke: ok - The ipkg-make-index on the oz site is either customised or old, shall I update it and add a script that calls it with the right parameters? |
| 18:04.31 | treke | do whatever koen recommends. I've not run into the bug myself :p |
| 18:04.55 | treke | all I care about is source :p |
| 18:05.12 | Cwiiis | treke: When you say source, you mean -dev packages? Or something else? |
| 18:05.16 | treke | sourc ecode |
| 18:05.19 | treke | source code. |
| 18:05.29 | koen | .tgz |
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| 18:05.44 | Cwiiis | oh, ok - Where should I put that..? |
| 18:05.52 | treke | since no one in the source directory |
| 18:05.56 | treke | if it doesnt exist create it |
| 18:05.58 | koen | so the fsf tree hugging hippies don't send C&D letter for breaching their beloved gpl |
| 18:06.35 | Cwiiis | So, source just for the upgrades? |
| 18:06.40 | treke | for everything |
| 18:06.45 | treke | anything you upload |
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| 18:06.58 | treke | if the tree is tagged I can handle the stock build |
| 18:06.59 | Cwiiis | Right - what about all the packages included without source? |
| 18:07.09 | treke | but if not it's up to whoever built it |
| 18:07.59 | Cwiiis | Isn't uploading the source going to piss off sf a bit, given the size of everything..? |
| 18:08.04 | treke | too bad |
| 18:08.17 | Cwiiis | wouldn't links to source be ok? |
| 18:08.20 | treke | no |
| 18:08.36 | Cwiiis | What about patches to source? |
| 18:08.39 | treke | no |
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| 18:08.45 | treke | full source |
| 18:08.48 | Cwiiis | Right, ok |
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| 18:09.35 | treke | unfortunatly the current policy of never uploading source means I can never clean my source mirror without doing it by hand |
| 18:09.49 | treke | so we need some seperate archive that can include upgrades |
| 18:11.37 | Cwiiis | ok, I've made a 'source' directory... I'll upload the source for all the upgrade packages I'm adding, I'm not sure what other people want to do with it though, you'll have to talk to them |
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| 18:12.50 | treke | unfortunatly what people want doesnt really factor in much |
| 18:12.57 | treke | there has to be source |
| 18:13.05 | treke | regardless of their personal opinions of the matter |
| 18:14.47 | lardman | Anyone here with write access to oz.org HowTo docs? method for the 6000 needs changing |
| 18:15.30 | lardman | Also write access to the updates feed - ipkg.conf has a compressed feed, but no Packages.gz file there |
| 18:15.46 | lardman | s/updates/upgrades |
| 18:19.50 | Cwiiis | lardman: I'm fixing the upgrades feed now |
| 18:20.12 | Cwiiis | lardman: What needs changing in the HowTo docs? |
| 18:23.28 | lardman | Cwiiis: the instructions are wrong afaict |
| 18:23.51 | lardman | It would appear that the 6000 now uses the same method as the c7x0 machines, not the old method shown there |
| 18:24.22 | lardman | Someone on ZUG has already posted saying "3.5.3 has bricked my Z" so if it can be confirmed that they need to be changed, and then sorted that would be good |
| 18:25.05 | Cwiiis | lardman: upgrades feed fixed |
| 18:25.15 | toruvinn | hmm, i'll wait with flashing my tosa, then. ;-S |
| 18:25.20 | lardman | Cwiiis: cool, thanks |
| 18:25.46 | Cwiiis | lardman: If you could confirm it, or get someone to confirm it and tell me the exact changes I need to make, I'll do so (bit busy at the moment to go seeking things out, sorry) - Other people might be able to help when they're about though |
| 18:25.47 | treke | toruvinn: waiting isn't necessary. Generally that means someone didnt do it right |
| 18:26.08 | koen | it's only bricked when you have to jtag it to revive it |
| 18:26.10 | treke | toruvinn: Considering the release manager uses a tosa himself, it's extremely unlikely that the images don't work |
| 18:26.33 | toruvinn | treke: oh well, thanks. ;-) |
| 18:26.46 | toruvinn | koen: so, he actually is able to make his Z work again? |
| 18:26.56 | koen | yes |
| 18:26.56 | treke | toruvinn: yes |
| 18:27.02 | toruvinn | duh. |
| 18:27.16 | lardman | congrio on #openzaurus tried the original method, then my suggested and it looks like it worked, just waiting for confirmation |
| 18:27.34 | toruvinn | k, waiting for images to download. |
| 18:27.40 | treke | the boot loader has a reflash utility in read only memory |
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| 18:29.49 | lardman | My feeling is that the instructions are exactly the same as for the c7x0, if toruvinn can confirm that, then we could just change the title of that topic & remove the 6000 specific one |
| 18:30.26 | lardman | c7x0 instructions: http://openzaurus.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=44 |
| 18:31.00 | lardman | I have confirmation from congrio, so you can relax a bit toruvinn ;) |
| 18:31.01 | toruvinn | lardman: it will take some time to download it here. ;-/ sorry, quite poor connection. |
| 18:32.01 | toruvinn | lardman: actually, i wondered if it is possible to *really* brick sl6000. if what treke said is true (and i doubt it isn't), then there's always one way left to get back to working Z ;-) |
| 18:32.31 | treke | the 6000 is a bit weird :) |
| 18:32.40 | toruvinn | and probably the one i've already used once, holding q and t keys while turning it on. |
| 18:33.00 | lardman | Cwiiis: I've got confirmation on the method. The only difference between the 6000 and c7x0 is that the 6000 is in English (the flashing menus) |
| 18:33.11 | lardman | Cwiiis: your choice as to whether to update or merge |
| 18:33.15 | treke | the guy who used to make the pocket workstation images found a bunch of them since he was constantly breaking things in new and funny ways |
| 18:33.16 | toruvinn | treke: well, mainte.bin and nanddiag.bin (or sth) made me fear flashing a bit, since i thought they were responsible for flashes. |
| 18:33.33 | toruvinn | and since they are reflashable themselves, it would mean, z is brickable ;-) |
| 18:33.42 | treke | right |
| 18:33.46 | treke | but that isn't the only way to flash |
| 18:33.52 | treke | there is the normal maintenance menus |
| 18:33.58 | treke | then there is a more advanced maintenance menu |
| 18:34.07 | toruvinn | ah, i get it. |
| 18:34.31 | treke | one a c7x0 you access them by powering the device off and then power it back on while holding d+m |
| 18:34.36 | toruvinn | thanks a lot for info, i'm way more at ease now. ;-P |
| 18:34.38 | treke | a pain in the butt to trigger |
| 18:34.59 | lardman | treke: so it should be |
| 18:35.16 | lardman | treke: not the kind of thing you want mere users to play with ;) |
| 18:35.20 | treke | hehe |
| 18:36.54 | lardman | One more point, for someone with write access, it is worth saying that the initrd.bin files are named *.jffs2 in all of the HowTos |
| 18:39.07 | lardman | Night all, and well done, I'm off to try GPE on my 750 :) |
| 18:41.21 | treke | interesting bit is that the diagnostic menus are in english on the japanese zauruses as well as the american ones |
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| 18:48.58 | gremlin[it] | good evening |
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| 18:55.56 | loial | a very good day all! |
| 18:56.27 | koen | hey loial |
| 19:01.20 | loial | everyone enjoying the release? |
| 19:04.11 | lesd | does anyone know how to figure out if a 5450 is sw or hw bricked? already tried to use jtag adapter to flashmem but no response... |
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| 19:34.52 | luke-jr_ | Does OE have a package for X11 SDL? |
| 19:35.48 | luke-jr_ | nm, apparently that's just the meta- pkg's fault |
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| 19:38.45 | niklash | Hi everyone. I got an idea yesterday. |
| 19:39.01 | luke-jr_ | o |
| 19:39.12 | niklash | It may not be very easy to implement, but definitely not impossible, and quite useful. |
| 19:39.39 | niklash | The idea is to build -dbg packages for all other packages containing debugging symbols. |
| 19:40.01 | luke-jr_ | doubles mirror disk space.. |
| 19:40.12 | luke-jr_ | and screws up depedencies, maybe |
| 19:40.42 | niklash | luke-jr_, yeah, but would make it so that one could debug stuff without setting up a build environment. |
| 19:41.26 | luke-jr_ | which most people wouldn't know how to do anyway... |
| 19:41.33 | niklash | The -dbg packages could provide, conflict and provide the original packages, so that you would have to replace the original with the debug version. |
| 19:41.41 | luke-jr_ | or maybe I'm underestimating users |
| 19:42.09 | niklash | Well, it would be useful for me from time to time, when I just can't be bothered to rebuild stuff. |
| 19:42.10 | luke-jr_ | I think maybe a debug feed would make more sense |
| 19:43.16 | niklash | The cases when something minor doesn't work well, and I could probably make a patch, but it isn't worth the time of downloading source, setting up oe/compilers, building, ... |
| 19:47.59 | niklash | A debug feed would probably be easier to maintain, I guess, and as useful, if you can switch freely between it and the original feed. |
| 19:47.59 | niklash | A bit less convenient to edit ipkg config files than to "ipkg install xxx-dbg" |
| 19:48.47 | Cwiiis | luke-jr_: There should be a libsdl-x11... Isn't there? |
| 19:48.50 | luke-jr_ | reenoo_: what do you think? |
| 19:48.57 | luke-jr_ | Cwiiis: yea, but the meta-sdl doesn't know that? |
| 19:49.25 | reenoo_ | luke-jr_: think about what? |
| 19:49.40 | luke-jr_ | reenoo_: niklash's idea |
| 19:49.56 | luke-jr_ | too bad OE seems to have an issue w/ configure scripts using PKG_CHECK_MODULES... >.> |
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| 19:54.35 | reenoo_ | niklash: I'm not sure I like the idea of shipping conflicting -dbg packages. what you can do is ship just symbol info separately and have gdb load that stuff. I believe some distros do that already and it'd basically require someone to figure out how exactly that works and integrate it into OE |
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| 20:01.49 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:03.47 | niklash | reenoo_, that may be an even better idea. |
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| 20:16.16 | _law_ | koen: have you ever tested scummvm 0.6.1b? |
| 20:17.24 | luke-jr_ | | /.../build/tmp/work/diet-x11-6.2.1cvs20050413-r4/X11/configure: line 20041: syntax error near unexpected token `XPROTO,' |
| 20:17.25 | luke-jr_ | | /.../build/tmp/work/diet-x11-6.2.1cvs20050413-r4/X11/configure: line 20041: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XPROTO, xproto)' |
| 20:17.33 | luke-jr_ | anyone know how to get around that problem? |
| 20:18.05 | koen | _law_: not yet |
| 20:18.14 | koen | luke-jr_: diet-x11 cvs is broken |
| 20:18.20 | luke-jr_ | koen: same problem w/ x11 |
| 20:18.35 | luke-jr_ | and many X modules |
| 20:18.40 | koen | include prefered-gpe-versions.inc |
| 20:18.41 | luke-jr_ | well, 2 of em at least |
| 20:18.48 | koen | that uses known good X stuff |
| 20:19.10 | _law_ | koen: doesnt work on my SL-5000d :-( |
| 20:20.03 | luke-jr_ | koen: put that where? seems to do nothing in local.conf |
| 20:20.34 | koen | in your favourie DISTRO.conf |
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| 20:24.15 | luke-jr_ | koen: still fails |
| 20:25.00 | koen | check the oz-3.5.3 how to use it |
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| 20:28.02 | Ken|JLime | Just a stupid question, is there an alternate mailing list for supplying patches cause i never see any diffs go that way. |
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| 20:29.41 | luke-jr_ | koen: If I copy the relevant line from preferred-gpe-versions to local.conf, it works, but including it in the distro file doesn't. |
| 20:29.41 | luke-jr_ | weird |
| 20:30.23 | luke-jr_ | | /home/luke-jr/src/oe2005/build/tmp/work/diet-x11-6.2.1-r2/libX11-6.2.1/configure: line 20038: syntax error near unexpected token `XPROTO,' |
| 20:30.23 | luke-jr_ | | /home/luke-jr/src/oe2005/build/tmp/work/diet-x11-6.2.1-r2/libX11-6.2.1/configure: line 20038: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XPROTO, xproto)' |
| 20:30.26 | luke-jr_ | same problem, tho :| |
| 20:31.13 | koen | looks like it can't find the xproto.pc in staging |
| 20:31.46 | luke-jr_ | syntax error implies it can't find PKG_CHECK_MODULES... |
| 20:32.31 | luke-jr_ | let's try taking out ASSUME_PROVIDED=pkgconfig-native |
| 20:32.46 | luke-jr_ | maybe that's one of those things OZ won't use from the host system |
| 20:32.51 | luke-jr_ | OE* |
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| 20:50.22 | kergoth | luke-jr_: yes, you need our pkgconfig-native, because our aclocal from our autoconf-native only looks for autoconf macros in staging, not your native system. |
| 20:50.52 | kergoth | so without it, pkgconfig.m4 isnt around, and no PKG_CHECK_MODULES() |
| 20:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart dialog |
| 20:51.04 | _law_ | koen: is there a gui for scummvm? i know http://inter.zon.free.fr/zaurus_index.html#scumm form the sharp rom, or should i try do port this? |
| 20:51.29 | koen | no idea |
| 20:51.48 | koen | I tend to stay away forn trolltech crap |
| 20:51.53 | koen | s/forn/from/ |
| 20:54.02 | Pigi | nite all |
| 20:54.04 | zecke_ | koen: I've heard Trolltech hired two devels working on X.org |
| 20:57.32 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 20:57.41 | luke-jr_ | 3.5.3 was released w/o adding wifi modules to the GPE image -.- |
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| 21:11.39 | tigrux | k |
| 21:12.17 | luke-jr_ | How do you uninstall a package? 'ipkg remove x' doesn't work |
| 21:14.08 | woglinde | luke whats the error message? |
| 21:14.44 | luke-jr_ | root@kazumichan:/var# ipkg remove sylpheed |
| 21:14.44 | luke-jr_ | Nothing to be done |
| 21:15.37 | woglinde | hm did you check that the name is right and that sylpheed is really installed? |
| 21:15.52 | luke-jr_ | it is |
| 21:16.01 | luke-jr_ | `ipkg-link list' lists it |
| 21:16.08 | luke-jr_ | `ipkg-link list /' lists it |
| 21:16.09 | luke-jr_ | * |
| 21:18.04 | koen | luke-jr_: use ipkg 0.99.148 |
| 21:18.22 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 21:18.32 | luke-jr_ | ipkg upgrade ipkg? =p |
| 21:18.38 | koen | that fixes that bug |
| 21:18.43 | luke-jr_ | ah |
| 21:18.48 | luke-jr_ | is it in the 3.5.3 feed? |
| 21:18.50 | woglinde | koen oh |
| 21:19.01 | woglinde | koen it than was really a bug |
| 21:19.06 | koen | luke-jr_: you'll have to ask the OZ people about it |
| 21:19.06 | woglinde | no user fault |
| 21:19.18 | luke-jr_ | woglinde: you blaming me? =p |
| 21:19.59 | woglinde | luke I made user errors too |
| 21:20.07 | luke-jr_ | I'm joking ;) |
| 21:20.18 | luke-jr_ | I never used ipkg commandline till yesterday, it wouldn't have surprised me |
| 21:21.41 | lardman | koen: was that a known bug? |
| 21:21.50 | koen | lardman: yes |
| 21:22.02 | lardman | koen: ok, thx |
| 21:22.07 | koen | it was reported and pigi fixed it |
| 21:22.32 | lardman | We could do with getting the latest version into the updates feed then |
| 21:23.11 | lardman | Is hrw still sorting updates/upgrades (whatever they're called)? |
| 21:23.19 | koen | speaking of that |
| 21:23.20 | lardman | I'll give him a shout tomorrow |
| 21:32.19 | luke-jr_ | http://pastebin.ca/9502 |
| 21:32.23 | luke-jr_ | any ideas re that? |
| 21:42.14 | luke-jr_ | Is there a proper way to make a Packages list? |
| 21:42.24 | luke-jr_ | or do I just manaully run ipkg-make-index? |
| 21:42.39 | treke | manually run it |
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| 21:55.22 | lardman | koen: where's your familiar feed? |
| 21:58.09 | koen | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/ |
| 22:00.13 | luke-jr_ | does the ipkg-make-index command have any documentation? :| |
| 22:00.34 | koen | ipkg-make-index -p Packages . |
| 22:07.26 | luke-jr_ | koen: thx |
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| 22:08.20 | lardman | koen: thx |
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| 22:18.08 | RP | mickeyl: Nice work with the release :) |
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| 22:18.40 | mickeyl | RP: thanks. took longer and made me more exhausted than I though |
| 22:19.13 | RP | mickeyl: I know how stressful just building images for myself is so I can't imagine how you feel :-/ |
| 22:19.33 | RP | mickeyl: I did wonder if it would be worth running a -current feed ? |
| 22:19.52 | mickeyl | -current? |
| 22:20.00 | mickeyl | you mean as in upgrade packages regularly ? |
| 22:20.33 | RP | -current would be a feed subject to change whenever a trusted developer had a working image/package to update with |
| 22:20.58 | mickeyl | well, we have the upgrades feed which is exactly that - concerning packages |
| 22:21.16 | mickeyl | take a look at our 3.5.2/upgrades directory |
| 22:21.18 | RP | I get the idea from slackware-current |
| 22:21.22 | mickeyl | even with a sophisticated README :) |
| 22:21.24 | lardman | we need to add ipkg (148) to the upgrades |
| 22:21.39 | lardman | as the current one doesn't allow uninstalls |
| 22:21.51 | luke-jr_ | I have 148 in my feed :) |
| 22:22.06 | luke-jr_ | http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/feed/ |
| 22:22.08 | lardman | from koen's familiar feed |
| 22:22.14 | RP | upgrades could become the current feed. |
| 22:22.37 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:22.40 | mickeyl | however |
| 22:22.40 | RP | It might make releases easier as if the upgrades feed was roughly uptodate, renaming it could count as a release |
| 22:22.50 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:22.58 | RP | It was just an idea... |
| 22:23.03 | mickeyl | it's a good idea in principle |
| 22:23.18 | mickeyl | however the sheer size of our packages make it practically undoable |
| 22:23.22 | mickeyl | imo |
| 22:23.46 | RP | Fair enough. You're in better position to comment :) |
| 22:23.47 | koen | and tracking the deps is tedious too |
| 22:24.09 | lardman | koen: any special tricks to get GPe talking to a PC? |
| 22:24.09 | mickeyl | Anyway this is an option to consider to make releases less of a burden |
| 22:24.21 | luke-jr_ | lardman: usbnet :) |
| 22:24.26 | lardman | WinXP! |
| 22:24.27 | mickeyl | but I think the best way is to get more people doing the releases, i.e. one for every major machine is necessary |
| 22:24.29 | koen | lardman: that's all in the base system :) |
| 22:24.30 | lardman | ;) |
| 22:24.40 | koen | if it works with opie, it should work with gpe |
| 22:24.49 | lardman | koen: it doesn't |
| 22:25.14 | lardman | Right, I have to reboot and try connection to a proper os (Mandrake rather than XP) |
| 22:25.25 | luke-jr_ | lardman: you only said PC =p |
| 22:25.26 | lardman | Cheers for all the hard work Mickeyl et al |
| 22:25.34 | lardman | luke-jr: I know |
| 22:25.40 | mickeyl | thanks :) |
| 22:25.42 | RP | mickeyl: I think improvements to bitbake's efficency would help the releases as image generation could be so much faster... |
| 22:25.46 | luke-jr_ | lardman: http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/mirror/win32/usbnet/ |
| 22:26.16 | luke-jr_ | lardman: win32 usbnet driver |
| 22:26.28 | mickeyl | RP: indeed. it makes me crazy to do a world build, finding out that something critical happend, fixing a package, restarting again, ... |
| 22:26.39 | mickeyl | RP: I think 3.5.3 + upgrades is good to last 6 months |
| 22:26.52 | mickeyl | time we should spend with UIs and the tools |
| 22:26.58 | lardman | luke-jr: I have the drivers, everything was fine for Opie, GPE's always been a problem |
| 22:27.28 | lardman | night all |
| 22:27.59 | RP | mickeyl: agreed. I'm keen to try and ehance bpp with dependency tree generation, as you know :) |
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| 22:28.18 | mickeyl | RP: indeed that'll help pretty much |
| 22:28.46 | mickeyl | It'll help that the Python/C interface is so easy and straightforward |
| 22:29.19 | zecke_ | mickeyl: and even IBM offers an article how to embed it |
| 22:29.32 | mickeyl | yeah. IBM developerworks people are wise guys |
| 22:29.36 | mickeyl | many python articles |
| 22:29.48 | mickeyl | guess i should submit one, but i think i'm doing enough unpaid things ;) |
| 22:30.06 | RP | mickeyl: I've yet to look at that. It won't help that I've done a total of 3 hours of python programming but I'm willing to try :) |
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| 22:30.48 | RP | mickeyl: Do you know anything about how python would handle lua? |
| 22:31.03 | koen | I wonder how much more people are going to complain they can't use empty passwd for ssh anymore |
| 22:31.27 | mickeyl | RP: well, if you wanted to add support for lua as integrated language, that would work. I'm not that much of a fan of lua though |
| 22:31.40 | RP | koen: It irritates me no end :) |
| 22:31.52 | koen | RP: use keys |
| 22:32.02 | koen | same thing, but more secure |
| 22:32.09 | RP | koen: I know, I know :) |
| 22:32.34 | koen | it's also a good thing to save the dropbear key between flashes |
| 22:32.54 | RP | mickeyl: I don't like oe having python in it. It does need some kind of scripting langaguge. What that is, I don't know though :-/ |
| 22:33.03 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 22:33.23 | mickeyl | RP: Well I may be slightly biased, but I think having python in .bb files was the best thing since sliced bread |
| 22:33.27 | luke-jr_ | did people seriously allow passwordless keyless logins? |
| 22:33.40 | mickeyl | the embedded python in .bb files is not the reason for BitBake being slow and a memory hog |
| 22:33.44 | mickeyl | it's the metadata architecture |
| 22:33.51 | mickeyl | so you wouldn't gain anything rewriting inline stuff in lua |
| 22:34.20 | luke-jr_ | oz.o is being slow :( |
| 22:34.37 | koen | luke-jr_: ehm, OE had some patches to enable it |
| 22:34.42 | RP | mickeyl: My issue with python in there is it complicates bitbakes job as it needs to run python code... |
| 22:35.05 | RP | mickeyl: I know that can be done from C but its does limit portability |
| 22:35.10 | koen | luke-jr_: some excuse about PDA's not needing to be secure and stuff |
| 22:35.21 | RP | The same could be said about lua mind :) |
| 22:35.21 | luke-jr_ | koen: Zs aren't PDAs |
| 22:35.27 | mickeyl | RP: indeed |
| 22:35.34 | mickeyl | everything that runs limits portability |
| 22:35.49 | mickeyl | .bb isn't declarative. it will perhaps never be. |
| 22:36.00 | mickeyl | something needs to run at parse time and something needs to run at build time |
| 22:36.02 | koen | luke-jr_: nevertheless the excuse was used |
| 22:36.21 | mickeyl | it's just the question what. and python strikes me as being the most portable among the choices |
| 22:36.22 | treke | hey mickey |
| 22:36.26 | mickeyl | hi treke. |
| 22:36.31 | mickeyl | tried .3 yet ? |
| 22:36.34 | mickeyl | oh you did |
| 22:36.37 | mickeyl | i remember the key discussion |
| 22:36.41 | mickeyl | got further with that ? |
| 22:37.05 | zecke_ | good nite (finally) |
| 22:37.17 | treke | Zaurues's aren't pdas? |
| 22:37.22 | treke | that's news to me :p |
| 22:38.14 | treke | mickeyl: hehe you did see that in kergoth's new bb python might be going away, right? |
| 22:38.27 | mickeyl | treke: i have seen that and i am very worried about that |
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| 22:38.41 | mickeyl | I was open to switch build systems the last time because i've seen the need for it |
| 22:38.55 | mickeyl | this time it will be orders of a magnitude harder to convince me |
| 22:38.57 | zecke_ | I want the grammar of bitbake files to stabilize and consolidate, allowing lua as another language is ok |
| 22:38.58 | mickeyl | but that's just me |
| 22:39.08 | zecke_ | embedding lua first is ok as well.. |
| 22:39.28 | mickeyl | switching lua for python doesn't eliminate the problems in the design |
| 22:39.31 | mickeyl | i don't see the sense in that |
| 22:39.45 | mickeyl | but lets talk about that when it becomes an issue |
| 22:39.49 | mickeyl | it's too early yet |
| 22:40.14 | treke | I dont think that was meant to fix problems in the design |
| 22:40.24 | treke | just sort of a ride along thing with kergoths new design |
| 22:41.14 | RP | The problem is switching doesn't solve the underlying problem :-/. I'm not sure its one that can be solved though |
| 22:41.22 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3228 10openembedded/packages/gnome/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add gnome-vfs-dbus, death to ORBit! (courtesy Florian Boor) |
| 22:41.24 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3227 10openembedded/packages/gpe-conf/gpe-conf_0.1.23.bb: gpe-conf_0.1.23.bb: apply categories patch |
| 22:41.42 | vol | hey guys i was trying to build my own gpe-image and i got an error on package handhelds-sa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4-r5 |
| 22:41.55 | treke | mickeyl: getting started on your phd now? |
| 22:42.17 | mickeyl | treke: i will now definitly start to write up what i did the last years |
| 22:42.24 | mickeyl | i only have 2 more months to submit it |
| 22:42.27 | mickeyl | ups no |
| 22:42.29 | mickeyl | 12 |
| 22:42.33 | treke | hehe |
| 22:42.34 | zecke_ | *puh* |
| 22:42.37 | treke | so we'll see you in a year |
| 22:42.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:42.52 | mickeyl | it won't be that bad, i'm too addicted to irc |
| 22:42.56 | mickeyl | but i will make myself more rare |
| 22:43.01 | RP | :) |
| 22:43.12 | mickeyl | especially i won't make any more releases until I'm finished with the Phd |
| 22:43.23 | mickeyl | so time to look for some other people |
| 22:43.51 | RP | mickeyl: Its been nice knowing you :) |
| 22:44.01 | mickeyl | RP: the pleasure is on my side :) |
| 22:44.53 | mickeyl | perhaps I could spend a weekend in the uk in winter |
| 22:45.29 | mickeyl | or would summer be better ? |
| 22:45.33 | zecke_ | mickeyl: lol |
| 22:45.49 | zecke_ | mickeyl: "See Klima" |
| 22:46.01 | mickeyl | yeah i guess summer is always better |
| 22:46.01 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:46.21 | marcansoft | mickeyl: been testing the OZ smapshot on the tosa :) |
| 22:46.26 | RP | summer would probably better unless you like the rain and cold :) |
| 22:46.30 | marcansoft | the basic stuff boots and runs, but there are some bugs |
| 22:46.35 | luke-jr_ | (he'll be back tomorrow chatting just as much...) |
| 22:46.36 | marcansoft | IO need to test further though |
| 22:47.29 | mickeyl | in fact i hate rain and cold |
| 22:47.41 | mickeyl | can't stand winter except on skii in the snow |
| 22:47.43 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:48.14 | luke-jr_ | BTW, if anyone cares, there's a spanish-speaking person in #openzaurus asking for help |
| 22:48.22 | RP | I don't mind cold. rain is too wet though :) |
| 22:48.38 | luke-jr_ | doesn't seem to know enough English to explain the problem properly |
| 22:48.54 | marcansoft | luke-jr_: GeeSeCillo? |
| 22:49.10 | luke-jr_ | yea |
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| 22:50.26 | RP | I'm off to bed. 'night all |
| 22:50.43 | mickeyl | g'night RP |
| 22:51.35 | mickeyl | actually a good idea |
| 22:51.39 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 23:06.21 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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