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| 02:54.54 | chouimat | night |
| 03:16.23 | mithro | has anyone build 3.5.3 prerelease images for c860? |
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| 06:59.31 | pb_ | afternoon all |
| 06:59.49 | emte | oi |
| 07:37.38 | XorA | morning |
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| 07:48.02 | schurig | kergoth: still awake? |
| 07:48.15 | schurig | kergoth: I just read that monotone became 2x faster in the newest version |
| 07:48.22 | schurig | http://www.venge.net/monotone/NEWS |
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| 08:16.02 | bluelightning | hi all |
| 08:20.58 | RP | morning all |
| 08:21.18 | pb_ | hi rp |
| 08:21.23 | bluelightning | hi RP |
| 08:21.25 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
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| 08:24.13 | XorA | morning RP |
| 08:24.49 | pb_ | very good |
| 08:26.10 | hrw|work | hello |
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| 08:29.34 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:29.49 | bluelightning | hi koen |
| 08:29.59 | koen | hey bluelightning |
| 08:31.49 | bluelightning | koen: anything you want me to do? |
| 08:32.23 | bluelightning | (as long as it doesn't involve downloading anything, as I just got my bandwidth bill for last month - $650 NZD) |
| 08:32.30 | bluelightning | :( |
| 08:33.35 | schurig | ~change 650 NZD to EUR |
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| 08:33.45 | schurig | bluelightning: wow! |
| 08:33.57 | bluelightning | yes :( |
| 08:34.02 | koen | ouch |
| 08:34.38 | koen | that looks suspiciously like my gprs bill two years ago |
| 08:34.48 | Bernardo | hi |
| 08:34.57 | bluelightning | once it gets over my 3gb limit it's quite expensive |
| 08:35.03 | bluelightning | hi Bernardo |
| 08:35.05 | Bernardo | don't talk of utility bills... :( |
| 08:35.37 | Bernardo | I just finished paying over 400 euros for acumulated adsl access... |
| 08:37.03 | bluelightning | hmm, I suppose you have it worse than me |
| 08:37.08 | koen | bluelightning: if you want you can check how well the starterkit script works |
| 08:37.35 | bluelightning | koen: ok |
| 08:37.59 | bluelightning | koen: it worked fine for me earlier though, I was hoping someone else would be able to test it |
| 08:38.12 | Bernardo | bluelightning: what did you have to pay? |
| 08:39.08 | schurig | that's 5 GB only, but I never exceeded it |
| 08:39.24 | bluelightning | Bernardo: 650 NZD, which is about 361 EUR |
| 08:39.28 | bluelightning | that's for 1 month |
| 08:39.30 | schurig | and here in the company we've an gigabytewise unlimited contract for 50 EUR a month |
| 08:39.38 | bluelightning | previous month was 355 NZD |
| 08:39.53 | bluelightning | I didn't even realise it was going over, that's the problem :( |
| 08:39.55 | RP | The only limit on my ADSL line is the speed of it... ~22GBP/month |
| 08:39.58 | Bernardo | ouch... |
| 08:40.02 | schurig | bluelightning: how much would it be if you stay below the 5 GB ? |
| 08:40.14 | schurig | ~change 22 GBP to EUR |
| 08:40.15 | bluelightning | 3GB |
| 08:40.16 | Bernardo | I pay between 60 and 70 euros month for adsl and voice |
| 08:40.25 | bluelightning | ~$80 NZD for that |
| 08:40.31 | Bernardo | and I have a 4Gb limit |
| 08:40.36 | schurig | ~change 80 NZD to EUR |
| 08:40.43 | Bernardo | I just had 6 months acumulated |
| 08:40.55 | schurig | bluelightning: still more expensive. But then it's steeeeeep! |
| 08:41.09 | Bernardo | diferent story: |
| 08:41.10 | Bernardo | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/11/torvalds_attack/ |
| 08:41.20 | Bernardo | a interesting comment on linus/bk |
| 08:41.25 | bluelightning | yes, they are thieving $#@$()*$#)s |
| 08:41.35 | bluelightning | I'm going to switch to a different ISP asap |
| 08:42.53 | Bernardo | speaking of bk, today morning I had a interesting problem with nk and oe... |
| 08:44.01 | Bernardo | It first complained it couldn't connect to leases.openlogging.org to renew my lease for the client, now it complains I don't have logging set to openlogging.org, even though it is in /opt/bitkeeper/bitkeeper.config |
| 08:44.11 | Bernardo | anyone else seen this? |
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| 08:45.35 | reenoo | morning |
| 08:45.49 | XorA | typical register article, the author should learn basic computer terms before writing |
| 08:45.57 | schurig | Bernardo: maybe you did some operations without a proper http_proxy? |
| 08:46.24 | Bernardo | schurig: I don't have a proxy |
| 08:46.58 | Bernardo | XorA: that orlowski guy usually writes on mobile phones and the like |
| 08:47.49 | hrw|work | re |
| 08:48.07 | schurig | monotone 0.18 got faster (due to Linus' input), but to "clone" the monotone repository is still a one-hour-operation (mostly CPU time) |
| 08:48.38 | hrw|work | speaking about internet costs.. 130PLN for 1000/128kbps without traffic limit |
| 08:48.41 | Bernardo | that means we all need quad opterons now? |
| 08:49.00 | Bernardo | ~change 130 PLN to EUR |
| 08:51.44 | schurig | hrw|work: good price. Mine is for 768/128 :-( |
| 08:52.05 | schurig | Bernardo: no, no quad optererons. More time. |
| 08:52.27 | schurig | Bernardo: in #monotone they said to me that they wanted to make the thing correct first, fast second |
| 08:52.38 | schurig | Bernardo: so we see a program without premature optimization |
| 08:52.43 | Bernardo | schurig: where can I buy that? I'd really love a few more hours every day... |
| 08:52.50 | schurig | maybe they want to program monotone different to ipkg :-) |
| 08:53.00 | Bernardo | lol |
| 08:53.48 | schurig | but I think Pigi recently made things quite better |
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| 08:55.12 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl |
| 08:55.19 | luke-jr_ | Bernardo: schurig: that sucks (monthly transfer limits) |
| 08:55.27 | XorA | monotone isnt ready for primetime though :-( |
| 08:55.28 | mickeyl | morning |
| 08:55.44 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 08:55.49 | XorA | hi mickeyl |
| 08:55.56 | hrw|work | I will have 2nd microsoft keyboard |
| 08:56.11 | luke-jr_ | Bernardo: Dialup can do 5 GB in ~11 days |
| 08:56.12 | Bernardo | luke-jr_: even worst - there's a fidelization clause, I can't switch isps for 12 months |
| 08:56.34 | Bernardo | hrw|work: one of those awful split keyboards? |
| 08:56.35 | luke-jr_ | Bernardo: It's just stupid when Cable/DSL companies give you less than dialup quality |
| 08:56.59 | koen | 'morning mickeyl |
| 08:57.23 | reenoo | hey mickeyl |
| 08:57.32 | XorA | we have Broadband Britain a government campaign aimed at making sure people can download less faster |
| 08:58.02 | mickeyl | c7x0 folks can have another try at the (hopefully this time) final opie image @ http://like-always/.3.5.3/ |
| 08:58.17 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: what is like-always? |
| 08:58.41 | Bernardo | mickeyl: I have almost proved (unfortunately) that the c1000 kernel is indeed very different from the C3000 one |
| 08:59.00 | mickeyl | luke-jr_: http://openzaurus.org/blab/bla/bla |
| 08:59.05 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: ... |
| 08:59.06 | mickeyl | Bernardo: that's scaring |
| 08:59.18 | Bernardo | the bluez modules compiled for the c3000 crash my c1000 randomly with a socket cf card |
| 08:59.43 | Bernardo | but work well with a usb bluetooth adapter |
| 09:00.09 | Bernardo | which (for me) indicates that the cf circuit is really different on these two |
| 09:01.05 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 09:01.08 | mickeyl | that's really odd |
| 09:01.21 | mickeyl | still we can't do anything sane just waiting for Sharp |
| 09:01.34 | mickeyl | did you pester them yet? I guess you should write a mail to their legal departmenet |
| 09:01.56 | mickeyl | at least you as an owner have the right to request the sources |
| 09:02.21 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: anyone has the right |
| 09:02.27 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: unless sources were packaged |
| 09:02.37 | luke-jr_ | did they include the required notice? |
| 09:02.42 | Bernardo | I'll have to find their email for that |
| 09:02.57 | Bernardo | luke-jr_: if they did, it is in japanese |
| 09:03.05 | luke-jr_ | lol, good point |
| 09:03.11 | koen | clever solution |
| 09:03.17 | koen | include unreadable licences |
| 09:03.19 | luke-jr_ | Couldn't you look for the letters GPL? |
| 09:03.43 | luke-jr_ | I don't think they can 'translate' that |
| 09:03.58 | Bernardo | I haven't opened the manual yet... :) |
| 09:04.03 | luke-jr_ | heh |
| 09:04.14 | luke-jr_ | I don't think I ever opened my C760's |
| 09:05.48 | hrw|work | manual? what is a manual? ;) |
| 09:06.09 | hrw|work | but I will print 'quick start guide' from trisoft when my c760 will arrive |
| 09:10.50 | luke-jr_ | why is speex in the libs category, BTW? O.o |
| 09:11.31 | XorA | hrw|work: I thought your quick start was flash OZ 3.5.3 :-) |
| 09:11.32 | luke-jr_ | should be in multimedia |
| 09:11.52 | luke-jr_ | XorA: some people need instructions for that, still |
| 09:12.31 | hrw|work | XorA: maybe first will look into japanese sharprom to know what I will loose when will go to oz 3.5.3+/2.6 |
| 09:13.01 | XorA | hrw|work: ah yeah, in fact if its been cackoed you will want to do a NAND restore anyway |
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| 09:14.24 | hrw|work | XorA: it was restored to japanese |
| 09:14.50 | schurig | Bernardo: has "Fidelization" something to do with Fidel Castro? |
| 09:15.10 | schurig | Bernardo: (in other words: what does this really mean? Locked contract?) |
| 09:15.15 | XorA | hrw|work: I used mine 3 days in japanese becuase in tokyo I had no net connection to get OZ :-) |
| 09:16.21 | luke-jr_ | XorA: wifi? |
| 09:16.35 | koen | sharp and wifi |
| 09:16.39 | koen | that's a first |
| 09:16.40 | XorA | luke-jr_: I kismeted large chunks of tokyo with no luck |
| 09:16.44 | luke-jr_ | koen: actually |
| 09:16.55 | luke-jr_ | Sharp's worked best for WiFi in my experience |
| 09:16.56 | koen | the tosa has it |
| 09:17.15 | luke-jr_ | it automatically associated w/ wifi stations and such |
| 09:17.18 | luke-jr_ | unlike OZ |
| 09:17.30 | luke-jr_ | XorA: no unencrypted? |
| 09:19.02 | Bernardo | schurig: yes, I can't switch for 12 months - if I do, I have to still pay them for the remaining months |
| 09:19.37 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 09:20.00 | Bernardo | the c1000 works well with wifi, and supports multiple profiles very well |
| 09:20.57 | mickeyl | there are three things where opie lacks: a) the network applet, b) the network settings applications, and c) the doctab |
| 09:21.04 | XorA | luke-jr_: none at all, imode seems to rule tokyo |
| 09:21.19 | mickeyl | and opie will continue suck in these regards until someone is motivated enough to change that |
| 09:21.22 | mickeyl | that's the deal :D |
| 09:21.53 | mickeyl | if Sharp would've released their 1.5.4 sources things would've been different |
| 09:21.56 | mickeyl | but alas, they didn't. |
| 09:22.14 | XorA | mickeyl: it is a shame sharp engineers are kept in their cages :-( |
| 09:22.31 | mickeyl | ya |
| 09:22.41 | mickeyl | i bet they perhaps would like to cooperate with us if they were allowed to |
| 09:23.07 | Bernardo | mickeyl: add the music player for the 1000 |
| 09:23.14 | kergoth | hmm, never did get a response from mitchy about attempting to put us in contact with sharp engineers directly |
| 09:23.16 | kergoth | :\ |
| 09:23.54 | Bernardo | for their apps they are using the comercial trolltech license? |
| 09:26.56 | koen | sick of java? |
| 09:27.33 | schurig | kergoth: but even monotone 0.18 is still slow, took one hour to clone it's own repository |
| 09:27.35 | koen | blech, gpsd breaks api too in 2.20 |
| 09:27.42 | kergoth | schurig: ouch |
| 09:28.07 | schurig | kergoth: most of it was CPU time, doing sha1 and rsa, I guess |
| 09:28.36 | XorA | koen: payrise of 750 GBP defeered for 6 months isnt enough after 4 years of crap to keep me here |
| 09:30.02 | koen | XorA: I see, do you have any new employers lined up? |
| 09:32.11 | schurig | hehe, we need some marketing people and make our own company :-) |
| 09:32.59 | XorA | koen: not yet, but Im looking |
| 09:33.14 | XorA | schurig: have you not seen the dilbert cartoon where he invents marketing |
| 09:34.04 | schurig | XorA: no |
| 09:34.22 | schurig | XorA: I had once my own company (actually 1/3rd of it) with two others |
| 09:34.43 | schurig | XorA: but I learned the Microsoft story: Selling skills are more needed than software skills |
| 09:39.20 | Bernardo | schurig: true |
| 09:40.13 | XorA | schurig: he words for the worlds dream company then destroys it when he introduces marketing :-) |
| 09:40.42 | XorA | schurig: the problem with this place has been a string of salesmen who couldnt sell fresh water in a desert |
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| 09:57.13 | mickeyl | sl6000 users in da house ? |
| 10:06.42 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: ping |
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| 10:07.28 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: can you check/fix the issues in the gpe related section in http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes . if they no longer apply, then please remove 'em. |
| 10:07.32 | mickeyl | or koen |
| 10:07.37 | mickeyl | or anyone who knows |
| 10:07.37 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:09.55 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3216 10openembedded/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions.inc: |
| 10:09.55 | CIA-4 | preferred-gpe-versions.inc: |
| 10:09.55 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.43 | mickeyl | so, how do I produce an SDK for our users? just bitbake meta-sdk or is there more to tweak ? |
| 10:10.59 | mickeyl | i.e. they surely want .tar.gz, not .ipk for their host machines |
| 10:11.20 | mithro | hey people |
| 10:11.45 | Bernardo | hi mithro |
| 10:11.52 | koen | mithro: done |
| 10:11.55 | koen | ehm |
| 10:11.57 | koen | mickeyl: done |
| 10:12.04 | mickeyl | koen: thanks |
| 10:12.21 | mickeyl | ah, much less points |
| 10:12.23 | mickeyl | very good :) |
| 10:15.24 | RP | mickeyl: Did you want to link to http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/ from the ReleaseNotes? |
| 10:15.59 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3217 10openembedded/conf/distro/familiar-0.9.0.conf: familiar-0.9.0.conf: first shot at familiar 0.9.0 |
| 10:16.16 | mickeyl | RP: yeah. or rather, can you do it now? :) |
| 10:16.59 | mickeyl | i need confirmation from tosa, then i can prepare the announcement and send it |
| 10:17.06 | mickeyl | s/from/for/ |
| 10:17.15 | RP | mickeyl: will add a link now |
| 10:17.20 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 10:21.53 | XorA | mickeyl: try on #openzaurus, maybe tosa users idling eagerly awaiting 3.5.3 :-) |
| 10:23.55 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:24.06 | mickeyl | i ask on #zaurus |
| 10:24.12 | mickeyl | i left #openzaurus months ago |
| 10:24.18 | mickeyl | dont feel like coming back :) |
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| 10:25.37 | mickeyl | hi lardman |
| 10:25.48 | lardman | hi mickeyl |
| 10:25.59 | mickeyl | koen: btw., i finally got my bluetooth CF card to work |
| 10:26.26 | mickeyl | what made a difference was the device type handed over to hciattach |
| 10:27.26 | Bernardo | mickeyl: care to do a howto? :) |
| 10:27.41 | mickeyl | that'd be too early |
| 10:27.46 | Bernardo | I finally got my socket cf card |
| 10:27.46 | mickeyl | i still don't know anything about BT |
| 10:27.49 | mickeyl | but i'm learning... |
| 10:27.52 | koen | mickeyl: bcsp instead of any? |
| 10:27.58 | mickeyl | koen: righto! |
| 10:28.00 | Bernardo | I had a pan network running two years ago |
| 10:28.17 | Bernardo | before getting wifi up |
| 10:28.22 | lardman | I had troubles getting pan to work when I tried with 3.5.1 |
| 10:28.30 | mickeyl | what's pan? |
| 10:28.44 | koen | mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/9346 |
| 10:28.49 | koen | personal area network |
| 10:28.55 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:28.59 | koen | ethernet emulation for bt |
| 10:29.24 | lardman | hrw|work: you about?, I've sorted the card, I'll let you know when it arrives |
| 10:29.29 | mickeyl | koen: very good. |
| 10:29.32 | mickeyl | now the question... |
| 10:29.36 | mickeyl | how does one know in general ? |
| 10:29.46 | mickeyl | is there a device mapping to make that work automatically ? |
| 10:29.52 | mickeyl | i.e. user inserts card |
| 10:29.56 | mickeyl | DE detects type |
| 10:30.05 | koen | not really |
| 10:30.06 | mickeyl | and then calls hciattach with the proper params |
| 10:30.11 | mickeyl | bummer |
| 10:30.30 | koen | with the gpe image the bluez startup script reads /etc/sysconfig/bluetooth |
| 10:30.34 | lardman | I thought things like the Cacko rom had this working |
| 10:30.37 | Bernardo | I had it using hotplug |
| 10:30.44 | koen | and the applet uses that to run hciattach |
| 10:30.54 | Bernardo | bbl |
| 10:31.03 | mickeyl | ok so the user must do the initial config or else it won't work |
| 10:31.20 | mickeyl | i planned to do something for opie with a revamped cardmanager |
| 10:31.24 | mickeyl | user inserts _any_ card |
| 10:31.26 | mickeyl | opie checks |
| 10:31.32 | lardman | the initial config is fairly generic though is it not? |
| 10:31.34 | mickeyl | "this card has never been seen" |
| 10:31.37 | mickeyl | "want to configure it ?" |
| 10:31.39 | hrw|work | lardman: great, thx |
| 10:31.44 | mickeyl | and then a per-device-type configure dialog |
| 10:31.59 | koen | that would work |
| 10:32.16 | koen | gpe uses blueprobe for that, you'll have to ask pb about it's inner workings |
| 10:32.23 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:32.27 | mickeyl | will look into that |
| 10:32.31 | mickeyl | is it in hh.org cvs ? |
| 10:32.39 | koen | gpe cvs |
| 10:32.48 | mickeyl | aha, good |
| 10:33.08 | koen | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/blueprobe/ |
| 10:33.44 | gints|wrk | blueprobe compiles with oe |
| 10:33.56 | gints|wrk | I have it runing on my ipaq/opie |
| 10:34.40 | gints|wrk | requre some native stuff for compile.. but not GPE... |
| 10:35.57 | koen | mickey|bbl: btw, the pcmcia config files are missing for that cf card |
| 10:38.07 | lardman | Did you see some people are offering to test poodle on ZUG? |
| 10:38.43 | lardman | 3 anyway after mickeyl's post |
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| 10:47.34 | loial | gday |
| 10:48.40 | koen | hey loial |
| 10:57.07 | prasinos | Hello everybody. I am new to the Bitbake/PpenEmbedded world and I'd like to congratulate you for this very nice work. |
| 10:57.38 | prasinos | I downloaded Bitbake/Openembedded and started playing with it. I am impressed. I have so far only one question: |
| 10:58.03 | prasinos | Every time I try to build something, it seems to me that some packages get built over and over again. |
| 10:59.22 | prasinos | I tried building vim and mutt (they compiled perfectly) and the when I issued "bitbake gpsdrive", bitbake started again to compile "gcc-cross-initial" and various other packages that have been already compiled. Is this normal? |
| 10:59.47 | koen | have you set a TMPDIR? |
| 11:13.21 | Cwiiis | mickey|bbl: Sure thing |
| 11:13.23 | prasinos | yes TMPDIR=$HOME/tmp |
| 11:14.17 | koen | I vaguely remember something about shell variables not working for that |
| 11:14.28 | prasinos | Should I point it to sth like /openembedded-dir/build/tmp ? |
| 11:14.37 | koen | try using an absolute path |
| 11:14.57 | koen | e.g. TMPDIR=/home/koen/OE/build/tmp/${DISTRO}/ |
| 11:15.02 | lardman | it's not that gcc is using a cvs version? |
| 11:15.05 | koen | (that's what I use) |
| 11:17.58 | prasinos | I'll try the TMPDIR setting |
| 11:18.55 | prasinos | @lardman: It's not only the gcc, it's also glibc and quilt that get built again |
| 11:18.55 | kbot` | prasinos: Error: "lardman:" is not a valid command. |
| 11:19.05 | prasinos | lardman: It's not only the gcc, it's also glibc and quilt that get built again |
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| 11:23.03 | schurig | prasinos: are any NFS or otherwise non-local mounts involved? |
| 11:23.38 | prasinos | no, just local dirs |
| 11:24.10 | schurig | ll then check in TMPDIR/stamps for the stamps, if something looks fishy |
| 11:24.16 | prasinos | ok |
| 11:24.54 | schurig | prasinos: you can call bitbake --dry-run, if you want, to find out what would happen ... |
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| 11:26.09 | prasinos | I checked .../build/tmp/stamps and all the files have 0 length (there are a lot of files for the tasks of each package) |
| 11:27.00 | prasinos | shurig: thanks for the tip. (I didn't know, and now I am still waiting for the previous compilation of "bitbake gpsdrive" to finish in order to check your suggestions) |
| 11:31.50 | lardman | There will be a poodle image & kernel for 3.5.3 I presume as there seem to be some people who are willing to help test/debug here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11873&st=0&p=74747&#entry74747 |
| 11:32.33 | Cwiiis | mickey|bbl: Updated wiki - It looks like some of those opie-image issues may not exist anymore from the sounds of things, but I wouldn't know |
| 11:38.37 | Crofton_ | anyone else having trouble building perl-native? |
| 11:40.54 | Cwiiis | Crofton_: Nope |
| 11:41.18 | Crofton_ | bother |
| 11:41.30 | Crofton_ | maybe a local cnfig problem then |
| 11:54.28 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07openzaurus-3.5.3 * r1.3194.6.3 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files): use MACHINE in do_deploy for the c7x0 2.4 kernel or else we end up overriding two kernels |
| 11:54.31 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3194.6.2 10openembedded/packages/libusb/libusb_0.1.10a.bb: libusb: don't build docs until we have sufficient native doc-generating-tools |
| 11:54.34 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3194.6.1 10openembedded/conf/machine/ (poodle-2.4.conf poodle.conf): make poodle.conf work |
| 11:57.20 | prasinos | all: thanks, I tested now and it seems that the problem was the TMPDIR setting. I changed it to .../openembedded-root/build/tmp and things are working as expected (no unneeded rebuilds) |
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| 12:02.56 | hrw|work | mickey|lecture: put OE snapshot and bitbake archive in "sdk" folder - this will allow easier start to rebuild OZ 3.5.3 for non-OE people |
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| 12:14.35 | lardman | hrw|work: I just stumbled upon this: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10063&view=findpost&p=74548 |
| 12:14.47 | lardman | hrw|work: seems a bit pushy to me |
| 12:15.48 | hrw|work | lardman: a bit? |
| 12:16.05 | hrw|work | do it or I will punish you madafucka.. |
| 12:16.48 | lardman | hrw|work: :) I do feel sorry for you now ;) |
| 12:17.01 | hrw|work | ? |
| 12:17.09 | lardman | having to talk to him |
| 12:17.14 | hrw|work | lardman: zautrix is weird person |
| 12:17.17 | hrw|work | a ;) |
| 12:19.44 | Crofton_ | http://pastebin.ca/9402 |
| 12:20.11 | Crofton_ | This is the error I get building perl-native. Does this ring a bell with anyone? |
| 12:22.56 | hrw|work | http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml - maybe we should register OE, OZ? hrw@hrw.oe at irc will look interesting |
| 12:33.16 | hrw|work | lunch time... |
| 12:39.13 | bluelightning | night all |
| 12:55.36 | schurig | Crofton_: I didn't build perl-native, I just set ASSUME_PROVIDED += perl-native. That was easy, because I had perl install locally anyway |
| 12:56.01 | schurig | Crofton_: and with this my GPE did compile anyway |
| 13:00.44 | Crofton_ | thanks, I'm doing that now |
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| 13:06.44 | mithro | hey people |
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| 13:45.42 | Twiun | hi pb_ |
| 13:45.57 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 13:47.33 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:52.07 | mickeyl | hrw|work: sounds good. will do that, because the meta-sdk is not buildable and besides, a bit outdated (gcc-cross 3.3.4 instead of 3.4.3) |
| 13:52.56 | koen | mickeyl: any clue why it fails to build? |
| 13:53.02 | pb_ | ah, drat, I should check in my gcc-cross-sdk_3.4.3.bb |
| 13:53.12 | pb_ | I keep forgetting it is languishing on my broken machine at the office. |
| 13:53.17 | mickeyl | koen: something regarding hard/soft float |
| 13:53.24 | koen | i wanted to build a meta-sdk package myself |
| 13:53.43 | koen | I see |
| 13:53.57 | mickeyl | pb_: yeah, that'd help:) |
| 13:54.57 | pb_ | mickeyl: okay. I'll try to do so immediately on my return to Cambridge. |
| 13:56.22 | mickeyl | pb: cool, thanks. you're in .au yet ? |
| 13:57.11 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3222 10openembedded/packages/ (15 files in 9 dirs): misc. SECTION fixes |
| 13:57.14 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3221 10openembedded/packages/x11/diet-x11_6.2.1.bb: fix diet-x11 compilage |
| 13:57.38 | pb_ | mickeyl: yeah |
| 13:57.45 | pb_ | been here since yesterday afternoon |
| 13:58.47 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 13:58.53 | Twiun | been pestering ljp? |
| 14:00.43 | pb_ | no, I haven't encountered any trolls yet. |
| 14:01.00 | pb_ | they're in Brisbane, right? |
| 14:01.06 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3223 10openembedded/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more SECTION fixes |
| 14:03.24 | mickeyl | pb_: right |
| 14:03.56 | mickeyl | hrw|work: could you put your verbose changelog up to openzaurus.org somewhere? |
| 14:04.02 | pb_ | okay. I think that's about 1000km away, so I guess it's no surprise I haven't seen any of them yet. |
| 14:04.10 | mickeyl | hrw|work: I'd like to link to that from the release notes |
| 14:04.37 | mickeyl | pb_: you can encourage ljp to sign up as the new Qtopia Product Manager :D |
| 14:04.37 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:04.45 | mickeyl | Hogne left the company |
| 14:04.57 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:05.00 | mickeyl | too bad, he was a reasonable guy to deal with |
| 14:05.10 | mickeyl | more reasonable than many others, in fact |
| 14:05.11 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:05.46 | pb_ | heh. I think that's what we call "damning with faint praise". |
| 14:07.20 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:09.15 | chouimat | btw qt4 beta2 is out |
| 14:09.23 | mickeyl | really out now? |
| 14:09.31 | mickeyl | or only for the paying customers ? |
| 14:09.32 | chouimat | downloadin git |
| 14:09.38 | koen | and will the source stay in the same dir? |
| 14:09.40 | chouimat | mickeyl: ftp |
| 14:09.54 | mickeyl | good |
| 14:09.55 | mickeyl | koen: hehe |
| 14:10.12 | hrw|work | mickeyl: official/3.5.3/changelog.txt is ok? |
| 14:10.32 | mickeyl | hrw|work: yeah, good |
| 14:10.37 | mickeyl | .3.5.3 |
| 14:10.42 | mickeyl | that's where i prepare the release atm. |
| 14:10.47 | mickeyl | i'll move it later to 3.5.3 |
| 14:10.49 | hrw|work | mickeyl: ok - put empty file there and I will replace it |
| 14:10.54 | mickeyl | k |
| 14:11.20 | hrw|work | I just shouted wildly at KAM |
| 14:11.28 | hrw|work | and it was good :) |
| 14:11.39 | mickeyl | changelog.txt created. |
| 14:12.38 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:13.35 | hrw|work | will recreate it |
| 14:22.49 | treke|home | mickeyl: end up wit a working build? |
| 14:22.50 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Any progress on serial cable? |
| 14:22.58 | hrw|work | yes |
| 14:23.37 | mickeyl | treke|home: indeed. and it's a great build. nearly everything works. |
| 14:23.44 | mickeyl | treke: give it a try on your husky |
| 14:23.59 | mickeyl | even my hacked spectrum_cs now works w/ kernel 2.6 |
| 14:24.43 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 14:24.43 | treke|home | mickeyl: k. I'll grab it once I get to work |
| 14:24.47 | mickeyl | you've seen http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/fastboot/2005-March/001290.html ? |
| 14:24.57 | mickeyl | that looks pretty good to me for kernel development |
| 14:24.57 | hrw|work | mickeyl: cp: overwrite `oz/htdocs/official/unstable/.3.5.3/changelog.txt', overriding mode 0644? y |
| 14:25.01 | hrw|work | cp: cannot create regular file `oz/htdocs/official/unstable/.3.5.3/changelog.txt': Permission denied |
| 14:25.45 | mickeyl | try again |
| 14:26.00 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:26.13 | hrw|work | -rw-r--r-- 1 hrwandil users 188980 Apr 12 07:22 changelog.txt |
| 14:26.13 | hrw|work | -rw-rw-r-- 1 mml openzaurus 188980 Apr 12 07:25 oz/htdocs/official/unstable/.3.5.3/changelog.txt |
| 14:26.17 | hrw|work | it's ok |
| 14:26.27 | hrw|work | quite big changelog |
| 14:27.04 | mickeyl | someone should volunteer to add an abstract to the top |
| 14:27.07 | mickeyl | like kernel changelogs |
| 14:27.12 | mickeyl | most important user visible points |
| 14:27.44 | hrw|work | opie changelog, gpe changelog etc |
| 14:28.09 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:29.15 | mickeyl | + stuff like improved keyboard on c7x0, kernel 2.6, time on reboot working, etc. |
| 14:30.18 | hrw|work | many things... |
| 14:41.12 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: I can do that if you want |
| 14:41.19 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: that'd be good! |
| 14:41.23 | mickeyl | i'm a bit exhausted atm. |
| 14:41.44 | mickeyl | after release announcement tomorrow I need some days without hearing or seeing anything Zaurus |
| 14:41.45 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: I think you gave me access, but I've no idea how to get to it? Do I need to ssh somewhere? |
| 14:42.00 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: i didn't yet. I'll do now. |
| 14:42.09 | mickeyl | afterwards you ssh cwiis@shell.sf.net |
| 14:42.16 | Cwiiis | okidokes |
| 14:42.20 | mickeyl | and then you can edit our htdocs |
| 14:42.30 | Cwiiis | Three i's btw :) hehe (same with my SF username) |
| 14:43.35 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 14:44.09 | mickeyl | ok, you're on board |
| 14:44.35 | mickeyl | you may have to do 'newgrp openzaurus' to edit some files |
| 14:44.46 | mickeyl | group rights have to be set to +rw |
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| 14:47.19 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: Right, so I'm just adding an abstract of user-visible changes to the top of oz/htdocs/official/unstable/.3.5.3/changelog.txt? |
| 14:47.32 | mickeyl | yeah, that'd be very useful |
| 14:49.54 | koen | "GPE and Opie suck less" |
| 14:50.04 | koen | or |
| 14:50.14 | koen | "GPE and Opie rock harder than ever" |
| 14:50.24 | hrw|work | all UI sucks, opie just sucks less |
| 14:50.25 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: How simple should I make it - just copy-paste changes that are big enough to be noticeable, or simplify changes to how they'd affect the user? |
| 14:50.32 | hrw|work | opie sucks less but still sucks |
| 14:51.05 | mickeyl | Cwiiis: I'd say the latter. just wade over the changes and formulate the important ones in your own words |
| 14:51.14 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: ok |
| 14:56.20 | greg72 | hi there, what would you say as the advantage of using openembedded instead of scratchbox? scratchbox solves the problem *via qemu) I had - namely, that openembedded cannot run the autoconf script on the target. But oe seems to have better dependency management, automated cross-compilation-toolchain creation. Could you name the most important things? At all, is it fair to compare the two things? |
| 14:56.42 | chouimat | ````````````````````` |
| 14:56.48 | hrw|work | good question |
| 14:57.03 | hrw|work | greg72: I know how to use OE, never read about scratchbox |
| 14:57.52 | koen | hrw|work: scratchbox runs the configure script on the target (i.e. a zaurus) or in qemu |
| 14:57.53 | greg72 | I've just tried and was funny to run an arm-hello-world on my x86 box. But that's qemu's virtue. |
| 14:58.18 | mickeyl | scratchbox is probably much slower and less flexible |
| 14:58.23 | mickeyl | doesn't know about classes |
| 14:58.27 | XorA | chouimat: we have a feline developer? |
| 14:58.28 | mickeyl | it's basically just a compiler |
| 14:58.42 | mickeyl | it would rock to use OE with scratchbox together |
| 14:58.49 | mickeyl | to run the configure scripts |
| 14:58.53 | mickeyl | to populate the site files |
| 14:59.08 | mickeyl | but that's about it imo |
| 14:59.22 | pb_ | yeah, that'd be cute |
| 14:59.26 | Cwiiis | byront: |
| 14:59.27 | Cwiiis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.27 | Cwiiis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.27 | Cwiiis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.27 | Cwiiis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.29 | Cwiiis | heh, nice changelog :) |
| 14:59.33 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:59.51 | pb_ | night all |
| 15:00.02 | mickeyl | night ?? |
| 15:00.03 | chouimat | XorA: I'm currently self employed and he's the only one I found to do XP pair programming cheaply |
| 15:00.03 | koen | 'night pb_ |
| 15:00.04 | mickeyl | aaah |
| 15:00.05 | mickeyl | .au time |
| 15:00.05 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: thats why all here want all to write comments when commit |
| 15:00.06 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:00.08 | hrw|work | night pb |
| 15:00.16 | chouimat | night pb |
| 15:00.20 | reenoo_ | 'night pb_ |
| 15:00.33 | Cwiiis | g'night pb_ |
| 15:00.47 | pb_ | mickeyl: heh, yes, here it is 0100. |
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| 15:06.35 | Twiun | it's funny how so many people in .jp are downloading libfloat from my archive for their C1000 & C3000 to run Sun's J2ME |
| 15:06.46 | Twiun | getting a good 10 downloads a day |
| 15:07.24 | chouimat | Twiun: fun |
| 15:07.31 | chouimat | Twiun: url? |
| 15:07.45 | Twiun | chouimat: that links to me? |
| 15:07.54 | chouimat | nm |
| 15:08.15 | XorA | can the J2ME be hacked to run under OZ? |
| 15:08.35 | Twiun | XorA: Sun's J2ME reference implementation should already run |
| 15:08.47 | Twiun | XorA: it's under their early access release program |
| 15:09.05 | Twiun | XorA: of course, that's ARM only |
| 15:09.25 | Twiun | see? |
| 15:09.26 | XorA | Twiun: I assume it uses Qtopia? |
| 15:09.36 | Twiun | XorA: as far as I know, yes |
| 15:09.42 | chouimat | cooooool |
| 15:09.54 | Twiun | XorA: it always has, so did Jeode |
| 15:10.16 | XorA | Twiun: I only had a 3.1 ROM on my Z :-( so never got Jeode running |
| 15:10.20 | koen | XorA: I switched the distro to softfloat to get around the libfloat problem :) |
| 15:10.29 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:10.45 | Twiun | yeah, I don't actually know what float type the lib I have in my archive is compiled for |
| 15:11.09 | Twiun | I found it through some serious trawling of google and now I'm just hosting what must be the last copy |
| 15:11.10 | koen | the best part is that I can't distribute the ipkg I build :) |
| 15:11.28 | Twiun | yeah, that blows |
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| 15:11.48 | XorA | koen: does that mean you are building from source? |
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| 15:13.01 | koen | XorA: yes |
| 15:13.45 | XorA | koen: ooh so we get all the speedups as well, Ill wait eagerly |
| 15:27.51 | schurig | koen: is your sun-cvm already in bb? |
| 15:29.11 | koen | schurig: no, and I don't think I'll push it |
| 15:29.20 | chouimat | :( |
| 15:29.39 | koen | since the licence forbids binary distribution |
| 15:29.59 | koen | and I'm not sure under what license I have the sources |
| 15:30.20 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: I've added a simplified changes summary to changelog.txt, want to take a look? Also, is it ok for me to add some packages to the upgrades feed? |
| 15:30.21 | XorA | koen: did you get sources via normal sun download? |
| 15:30.37 | koen | XorA: no, my boss gave them to me |
| 15:30.42 | hrw|work | maybe push it and note inside why it have BROKEN=1 EXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD=1 flaggs |
| 15:30.59 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.19 | XorA | hrw|work: I was going to add file://sun_cvm.tar.gz as SRC_URI as well, that way you have to get sources your own way |
| 15:31.43 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: o Correct error in c7x0 fstab: - rather "Corrected" |
| 15:31.47 | koen | SRC_URI = "file://cdcfoundation-1_0_1-fcs-src.zip" |
| 15:31.48 | koen | heh |
| 15:32.11 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Ah yes, thanks - will chnge |
| 15:33.49 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: Made a few grammatical corrections (it's still not perfect, but it doesn't really need to be...) |
| 15:35.11 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: add "==============" after your part and write under "changelog generated from OpenEmbedded changes" blebleble |
| 15:35.18 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: ok |
| 15:36.30 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: done |
| 15:39.45 | lardman|away | mickeyl: Let me know when you make the announcement, etc. and I'll pin the thread on ZUG |
| 15:40.32 | hrw|work | mickeyl: will you put opie changelog somewhere also? |
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| 15:51.45 | schurig | koen: bk add it, but add a BROKEN=1 to it,so it doesn't get autobuild and won't end up in distros :-) |
| 15:52.36 | koen | schurig will do when it works |
| 15:58.14 | hrw|work | btw - what is better to exclude from world.. BROKEN or EXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD? I prefer second because it may be not broken but maintainer does not want it in world (like meta-sdk) |
| 16:07.38 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3225 10openembedded/packages/mysql/mysql_4.1.10a.bb: mysql_4.1.10a.bb: install embedded mysqld lib into staging too |
| 16:07.41 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3219.1.1 10openembedded/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions.inc: |
| 16:07.41 | CIA-4 | preferred-gpe-versions.inc: |
| 16:07.41 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.04 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3226 10openembedded/packages/tcp-wrappers/tcp-wrappers_7.6.bb: tcp-wrappers_7.6.bb: install libwrap into staging |
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| 16:57.48 | mickeyl | hrw|work: dunno if we should include all changes since opie 1.1.4. perhaps the most important is better support for bigscreen and tosa. the rest can be just a link to the opie changelog don't you think? |
| 16:58.03 | mickeyl | lardman|away: still awaiting confirmation for tosa, after that I'll cook the announcement and tell ya |
| 16:58.16 | mickeyl | now last game in season. have to run |
| 16:58.44 | treke | ok |
| 16:58.50 | treke | mickey|sports: image still in .3.5.3? |
| 16:58.55 | mickey|sports | yep |
| 16:59.11 | treke | you including device dependent packages this time? |
| 16:59.19 | mickey|sports | feed/machine/ |
| 16:59.21 | mickey|sports | bbl |
| 16:59.22 | treke | cool |
| 17:01.17 | lardman|away | mickeyl|sports: Ok, I'll be back on the web later this evening, pm me via ZUG (as I won't be on IRC I don't think) if it's up then and I'll sort it out. |
| 17:03.06 | lardman | I'm off, see you all tomorrow |
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| 17:32.33 | hrw|work | ARGH.. |
| 17:32.53 | hrw|work | ~lart sf.net for b0rken mail support in php |
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| 17:34.02 | jskcr|JLime | hy all |
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| 17:50.18 | treke | hrw|work: ? |
| 17:50.31 | treke | they probably compile mail support out |
| 17:50.57 | hrw|work | treke: they have mail() built-in - mails just dont get out of sf.net |
| 17:51.10 | treke | yeah |
| 17:51.21 | hrw|work | I can telnet localhost 25 and send mail everywhere (from shell.sf.net) |
| 17:51.28 | treke | they dont want scripts to break, but they dont want people to be able to freely spam |
| 17:51.40 | treke | ooh |
| 17:51.43 | treke | nice splash screen |
| 17:51.50 | hrw|work | I used php class to send mails via smtp but it does not work also (looks via logs like it works) |
| 17:52.22 | treke | the web server and the shell server are different machines iirc |
| 17:52.31 | treke | with different network restrictions |
| 17:52.34 | hrw|work | anyway -maybe during weekend I will look how mambo gets it done |
| 17:59.01 | treke | very nice going so far |
| 17:59.53 | hrw|work | I will look at oz 3.5.3 later in this week |
| 18:00.30 | treke | pretty nasty keyboard lag though |
| 18:00.50 | treke | and key repeat is way off |
| 18:02.01 | treke | kind of a show stopper |
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| 18:03.14 | schurig | ~bbcow |
| 18:03.15 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 18:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | OOps - iconv problem |
| 18:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | whats the fix for that again? |
| 18:04.34 | jskcr|JLime | is bbcow slower? |
| 18:04.57 | treke | jskcr, yup |
| 18:05.27 | jskcr|JLime | Kay I would think so because disk writes are muuuch slower |
| 18:05.44 | treke | that's the tradeoff |
| 18:05.57 | jskcr|JLime | I have a machine with a gig of ram to throw at it so it works okay |
| 18:06.05 | treke | dont know if it writes to disk much |
| 18:06.57 | jskcr|JLime | Working with database I have found that quite a few problems can be fixed by throwing hardware at them lol |
| 18:07.53 | Cwiiis | opie-mediaplayer3 is looking nice on scap :) |
| 18:08.07 | treke | what is op3? |
| 18:08.43 | Cwiiis | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5503.png |
| 18:09.02 | treke | what is the backend? xine? |
| 18:09.05 | TheMasterMind1 | when i do bitbake opie-image, what file is it using to figure out what to build etc |
| 18:09.09 | treke | much better ui |
| 18:09.20 | treke | TheMasterMind1: the opie-image.bb file |
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| 18:09.38 | Cwiiis | treke: Think so - I've not used it myself mind |
| 18:09.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, meta/ |
| 18:09.41 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 18:14.21 | Crofton_ | bother, still no /etc/passwd when building gpe-image |
| 18:20.35 | Cwiiis | Crofton_: gpe-image builds ok over here, what machine/distro are you using? |
| 18:21.22 | Crofton_ | heh, I am trying to build for openomap ... |
| 18:21.31 | Crofton_ | TI OMAP processor OSK board |
| 18:22.08 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton_: stupid question - you're building base-passwd, right? |
| 18:22.32 | Crofton_ | not directly, I'm trying to build gpe-image |
| 18:22.37 | Crofton_ | maybe bad depends? |
| 18:22.53 | CosmicPenguin | My point being - base-passwd is being built? |
| 18:23.21 | Crofton_ | yes it is in tmp/work |
| 18:23.29 | Crofton_ | trying bitbale base-passwd now |
| 18:23.35 | CosmicPenguin | oih wait.... |
| 18:23.35 | CosmicPenguin | duh |
| 18:23.51 | CosmicPenguin | base-passwd build passwd.master - the postinst builds /etc/passwd |
| 18:26.06 | Crofton_ | + sed 's%^root:[^:]*:%root:*:%' |
| 18:26.40 | Crofton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.13 | Crofton_ | gpe-imge log.do_rootfs file |
| 18:27.27 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... wonder whats missing |
| 18:27.37 | Crofton_ | heh, me to |
| 18:27.46 | CosmicPenguin | etc perhaps? |
| 18:27.48 | Crofton_ | this time I did a clean build |
| 18:27.55 | Crofton_ | yeah ... |
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| 18:55.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm.. so i'm running bitbake inside a chroot (/dev, /sys etc are in weird states) and when i do bitbake packagename it fails at whatever the first task it performs is without any error log (be it unpack, patch, whatever), but if i do bitbake -b /path/to/packagename.bb it works |
| 18:57.03 | jskcr|JLime | is BBPATH set? |
| 18:57.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
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| 19:26.21 | zecke | TheMasterMind1: strace |
| 19:26.33 | zecke | TheMasterMind1: do you've BBINCLUDELOGS="yes" in your config file? |
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| 19:30.42 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 19:31.03 | zecke | Pigi: good evening |
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| 19:33.03 | Pigi | Long day for me today. I have fighted with a nice PP1500 fujitsu ( 32 cpu with dynamic reconfiguration ) and Solaris 2.8 ehehe |
| 19:33.06 | killefiz | treke|home: I cannot download http://treke.net/oe/snapshots/openembedded-exported.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:41.17 | Philippe | killefiz, just go into the snapshots subdir and you grab the last one on the list |
| 19:41.55 | killefiz | Philippe: thanks |
| 19:42.12 | Philippe | killefiz, you're welcome. |
| 19:49.03 | Pigi | too tired. Need to sleep. |
| 19:49.05 | Pigi | Nite all |
| 19:51.25 | TheMasterMind1 | zecke, it's trying to fork and failing |
| 19:51.39 | marcansoft | hmm |
| 19:51.44 | marcansoft | pcre-4.4-r1 fails to compile |
| 19:51.57 | TheMasterMind1 | cannot allocate memory.. prolly cuz of the messed up /dev |
| 19:52.12 | marcansoft | mv: cannot stat `libpcreposix.so.0.0.0': No such file or directory |
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| 19:52.26 | marcansoft | methinks it's mixing up libpcreposix and libpcre |
| 19:55.05 | TheMasterMind1 | marcansoft, fails to compile? or install or package? |
| 19:55.11 | TheMasterMind1 | don't think a move would be occuring during compile |
| 19:55.18 | marcansoft | NOTE: package pcre-4.4-r1: task do_package: started |
| 19:55.18 | marcansoft | ERROR: function do_install failed |
| 19:55.22 | marcansoft | whatever that is |
| 19:55.27 | marcansoft | I'm not too familiar with the OE build cycle |
| 19:57.41 | marcansoft | /bin/sh ./arm-linux-libtool --mode=install /bin/install -c libpcreposix.la /home/marcansoft/zaurus/oe/build/tmp/work/pcre-4.4-r1/image/usr/lib/libpcreposix.la |
| 19:57.44 | marcansoft | that command fails |
| 19:59.08 | marcansoft | aha |
| 19:59.18 | marcansoft | libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 hasn't been built it seems |
| 19:59.21 | marcansoft | only the static versions |
| 19:59.32 | marcansoft | libpcre.so.0.0.1 is fine though |
| 20:00.06 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure.. |
| 20:04.32 | marcansoft | huh? this is strange |
| 20:04.38 | marcansoft | it does not even try to compile it |
| 20:04.52 | TheMasterMind1 | its already compiled |
| 20:04.58 | TheMasterMind1 | its failing in the install step |
| 20:05.03 | marcansoft | well, it doesn't even unpack it |
| 20:05.09 | marcansoft | I removed the whole dir |
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| 20:05.12 | marcansoft | even the downloaded file |
| 20:05.15 | marcansoft | and let it run again |
| 20:05.20 | marcansoft | it just creates the blank directory |
| 20:05.24 | marcansoft | and tries to install with no compile |
| 20:05.26 | TheMasterMind1 | because it thinks it is already there.. you have to run clean |
| 20:05.44 | TheMasterMind1 | bitbake -b /path/to/pcre/pcre_4.4.bb -p clean |
| 20:06.06 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 20:06.06 | TheMasterMind1 | -c |
| 20:06.08 | TheMasterMind1 | not -p |
| 20:06.20 | marcansoft | thanks :) |
| 20:06.27 | marcansoft | whare is that info stored? |
| 20:06.32 | TheMasterMind1 | in stamps/ |
| 20:06.39 | TheMasterMind1 | it creates a file for each completed action |
| 20:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | clean removes those as well as work dir etc |
| 20:06.51 | marcansoft | aha, I din't know that |
| 20:06.56 | marcansoft | let's see if it works now |
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| 20:07.04 | marcansoft | same error |
| 20:07.11 | marcansoft | but now I can see it try to compile |
| 20:07.34 | marcansoft | although it evidently doesn't build libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 |
| 20:07.59 | marcansoft | wait... |
| 20:08.00 | marcansoft | | /usr/lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized |
| 20:08.04 | marcansoft | now that's new |
| 20:08.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hrm what step is that during.. its almost as if its not compiling at all |
| 20:08.47 | TheMasterMind1 | check the logs |
| 20:08.50 | marcansoft | -L/usr/lib <<- that doesn't look too good, seeing we're crosscompiling |
| 20:08.56 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:08.58 | marcansoft | yep, this time it failed compile |
| 20:10.10 | marcansoft | package, actually |
| 20:10.10 | marcansoft | I think I know what's happening |
| 20:10.18 | marcansoft | libpcreposix is missing from the files compiled during compile |
| 20:10.20 | marcansoft | so it tries to compile it during install |
| 20:10.26 | marcansoft | but fails (wrong options or whatever) |
| 20:12.28 | marcansoft | >LEAD_SONAME = "libpcre.so" |
| 20:12.30 | marcansoft | (from .bb file) |
| 20:12.37 | marcansoft | that doesn't look too good |
| 20:12.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i just ran it here and it worked |
| 20:12.51 | marcansoft | what version are you trying? |
| 20:13.01 | TheMasterMind1 | NOTE: package pcre-4.4-r1: task do_package: completed |
| 20:13.10 | marcansoft | same as I |
| 20:13.16 | marcansoft | I updated just a few minutes ago |
| 20:14.19 | marcansoft | oh |
| 20:14.24 | marcansoft | wait... |
| 20:16.35 | Bernardo | hi |
| 20:16.54 | marcansoft | TheMasterMind1: nope, not that. I thought I had forgotten the "bk -r co -q" but it seems I didn't |
| 20:17.00 | marcansoft | it's failing for me with the latest tree |
| 20:17.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not sure why that is. i have the latest tree here as well |
| 20:17.49 | marcansoft | strange |
| 20:17.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i have to head out.. time for class |
| 20:18.14 | marcansoft | can you send me your .bb file? just in case |
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| 20:18.26 | zecke_ | re |
| 20:21.22 | treke | zecke_: you seen the key repeat problems with qt on a c7x0? |
| 20:23.00 | chouimat | kergoth: good morning |
| 20:24.16 | zecke_ | treke: seen not, heard yes |
| 20:24.33 | zecke_ | treke: measuring that our keyboard driver always sends false :} |
| 20:24.48 | treke | seems really sensitive here on my 860 |
| 20:24.59 | treke | hard to type properly on it |
| 20:25.02 | zecke_ | treke: what refuses to work? |
| 20:25.13 | treke | it isn't that it refuses to work |
| 20:25.38 | treke | it's that often multiple keypresses are registered while typing |
| 20:25.55 | treke | so I'll hit backspace and it'll backspace two or three times |
| 20:26.06 | treke | or I'll get 4 o's when I only wanted one |
| 20:26.07 | CosmicPenguin | Hey you're typing twice as fast.... |
| 20:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | productivity goes up |
| 20:35.41 | marcansoft | nice--now gentoo automatically applies the cowbb patches in the ebuild :) no need to do it manually anymore |
| 20:37.15 | marcansoft | sheet-still getting the pcre compilation error. And what boggles me is that it worked for TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:39.44 | treke | cowbb should probably be a use flag |
| 20:40.42 | CosmicPenguin | treke: yeah, I was thinking the same thing |
| 20:41.01 | treke | kind of a major patch to be applying universally |
| 20:42.36 | marcansoft | hm |
| 20:42.43 | marcansoft | yeah, probably should |
| 20:42.54 | marcansoft | wtf? >libpcreposix.so.0.0.0U |
| 20:42.58 | marcansoft | first it creates the file as normal |
| 20:43.05 | marcansoft | then it somehow gets renamed to the U thing |
| 20:43.14 | marcansoft | and then of course packaging fails |
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| 20:50.22 | marcansoft | arm-linux-libtool: install: warning: relinking `libpcreposix.la' |
| 20:50.28 | marcansoft | hmm |
| 20:53.33 | marcansoft | argh |
| 20:53.41 | marcansoft | can someone help me with this? |
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| 20:56.20 | schurig | marcansoft: pcre worked for the last week |
| 20:56.39 | marcansoft | yeah and TheMasterMind1 says it works for him |
| 20:56.42 | marcansoft | but not for me evidently |
| 20:56.50 | marcansoft | it's some weir libtool think |
| 20:57.16 | marcansoft | s/weir/weird/ |
| 20:57.21 | marcansoft | s/think/thing/ |
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| 21:00.46 | lardman | how are we doing release-wise? |
| 21:02.08 | Cwiiis | vol: How'd you get on with poodle images? |
| 21:21.04 | treke | gah |
| 21:21.16 | treke | I hate it when you see an irc log that looks like it might answer your question |
| 21:21.31 | treke | and it ends up being you asking the same question 2 years ago |
| 21:22.33 | marcansoft | can someone help me build pcre? I've traced it back to configure being run with the wrong arguments, but I have no idea where they come from |
| 21:23.26 | treke | ouch the nomax aptch was implemented |
| 21:24.05 | treke | itdunno if ar fixed it up, but it wasnt really fit for installation in the state I left it |
| 21:29.31 | mickeyl | uh oh |
| 21:29.48 | zecke_ | :} |
| 21:29.53 | zecke_ | mickeyl: how did that happen? |
| 21:29.55 | mickeyl | note to self: don't rename opie-image.jffs2 to zimage and zimage-tosa to initrd.bin |
| 21:30.08 | koen | heh |
| 21:30.09 | zecke_ | mickeyl: that is bricking? |
| 21:30.16 | mickeyl | that is really good bricking, yeah |
| 21:30.26 | mickeyl | 'cause the opie-image overrides both the standard kernel and the maintenance kernel |
| 21:30.34 | zecke_ | oh |
| 21:30.42 | mickeyl | heh, no it's not that bad. C+D is in NAND |
| 21:30.44 | mickeyl | no |
| 21:30.45 | mickeyl | NOR even |
| 21:30.48 | mickeyl | or ROM |
| 21:30.49 | mickeyl | or whatever |
| 21:30.53 | mickeyl | it works still :D |
| 21:31.00 | mickeyl | so atm. i'm doing a full C+D+Reset recover |
| 21:31.02 | koen | "sharp crap area" |
| 21:31.05 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:31.51 | treke | mickeyl: you see my opie-image comment? |
| 21:32.00 | mickeyl | no. didn't read the backlog yet |
| 21:32.19 | treke | very sensitive keyrepeat on the 860 |
| 21:32.38 | mickeyl | same here, could do with a slightly increased first-hold time |
| 21:32.44 | mickeyl | and special-key-hold is broken |
| 21:32.52 | mickeyl | but that's not important |
| 21:32.55 | treke | other than that things are looking good |
| 21:33.04 | mickeyl | ok, fine |
| 21:33.29 | marcansoft | I'm trying to get pcre to compile for my tosa, but no luck ATM |
| 21:33.37 | marcansoft | something to do with the libtool/configure/makefile mess |
| 21:33.45 | zecke_ | mickeyl: OT: my new keyboard driver is 80% done |
| 21:33.53 | zecke_ | mickeyl: 10% code missing and 10% testing |
| 21:33.58 | mickeyl | zecke_: cooly |
| 21:35.03 | zecke_ | mickeyl: I will be able to compress ~ + n to -> [insert the... here] |
| 21:35.29 | marcansoft | ñ? |
| 21:35.41 | marcansoft | that's cool |
| 21:35.44 | marcansoft | coz I'm spanish :P |
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| 21:37.06 | Bernardo | mickeyl: no advance on the c1000... time to start looking for that sharp email |
| 21:40.10 | HCl | how's progress with oz 3.5.3? |
| 21:40.57 | mickeyl | waiting for tosa image confirmation |
| 21:41.04 | mickeyl | wanted to test on my own.... bricked it |
| 21:41.04 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:41.09 | mickeyl | trying to unbrick |
| 21:41.15 | mickeyl | that's more or less the overall status |
| 21:41.46 | treke | mickeyl: any idea where a fix for the key repeat problem needs to go? |
| 21:41.53 | treke | qte/kernel? |
| 21:41.58 | mickeyl | you mean that it pretty early starts to repeat ? |
| 21:42.13 | treke | yup |
| 21:42.14 | mickeyl | that's a kernel thing, since it's the same on the console |
| 21:42.27 | treke | that's kind of a big problem to release with :p |
| 21:43.07 | treke | guess I'll check with RP when he wakes up |
| 21:43.09 | mickeyl | don't think so |
| 21:43.20 | mickeyl | it's fast, but it's not that bad |
| 21:43.25 | mickeyl | imo |
| 21:43.38 | treke | I don't know about you, but I'm having a very hard time typing on it |
| 21:43.43 | mickeyl | hmm not here |
| 21:43.48 | mickeyl | maybe slightly faster on the husky |
| 21:45.53 | zecke_ | treke: one can use a user land tool to modify the autorepeat time |
| 21:46.46 | treke | zecke_: how would you go about doing that? |
| 21:47.12 | treke | keybdrate? |
| 21:49.20 | zecke_ | treke: knowing that it can be done and how to do it are two different things |
| 21:49.25 | zecke_ | treke: I'm searching for it now |
| 21:50.36 | treke | hehe |
| 21:50.42 | treke | keybdrate looks like the solution |
| 21:51.19 | marcansoft | >| checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qte-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 21:51.27 | marcansoft | what do I need to use konqueror-embedded? |
| 21:51.37 | mickeyl | grr |
| 21:52.18 | treke | jrmm part of console-tools |
| 21:52.32 | zecke_ | marcansoft: which konqE do you want to use? |
| 21:52.55 | zecke_ | did schurig checked in another konqe? |
| 21:52.57 | marcansoft | the opie one |
| 21:53.05 | zecke_ | nope it doesn't use Qt3.1 |
| 21:53.09 | marcansoft | the one that I had seen on OZ earlier on |
| 21:53.12 | mickeyl | zecke_: yeah he did. |
| 21:53.17 | mickeyl | we need to set PREFVER |
| 21:53.27 | Bernardo | 'night guys |
| 21:53.33 | treke | bad schurig :p |
| 21:53.34 | marcansoft | konqueror-embedded-20050322 |
| 21:53.39 | marcansoft | I guess I'm trying to build that one |
| 21:53.46 | marcansoft | konqueror-embedded-20030705 |
| 21:53.50 | marcansoft | better stick with that I guess |
| 21:53.55 | treke | yes |
| 21:54.01 | zecke_ | mickeyl: I just know it because there was a commit to konq-e at kde... |
| 21:54.20 | mickeyl | i stumbled over it when i built the 3.5.3 images |
| 21:54.27 | mickeyl | my local fix was just to remove the file |
| 21:54.28 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:54.34 | marcansoft | how do I build a specific package version with bitbake? |
| 21:54.35 | zecke_ | treke: if that util package works for you (autorepeat setting) I'm happy |
| 21:54.44 | marcansoft | do I need to use the portage =package-version notation? |
| 21:54.48 | marcansoft | or just package-version? |
| 21:54.49 | treke | zecke_: Yeah. I'll package that up and see if it works |
| 21:54.51 | zecke_ | marcansoft: bitbake -b path/to/foo/konq.bb |
| 21:54.58 | marcansoft | oh |
| 21:55.09 | marcansoft | but that doesn't do deps, doesn't it? |
| 21:55.16 | zecke_ | marcansoft: right |
| 21:55.17 | treke | maybe we should incorportate the version into the konq package name |
| 21:55.27 | treke | konqueror-embedded-2 vs konqueror-embedded-3 |
| 21:56.13 | mickeyl | NAND LOADER ... in NAND |
| 21:56.13 | mickeyl | built on Nov 29 2003 at 18:19:53 |
| 21:56.17 | mickeyl | COMMANDLINE= console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),28672k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete EQUIPMENT=2 |
| 21:56.17 | mickeyl | **** JUMP to LINUX! **** |
| 21:56.21 | mickeyl | here we are again |
| 21:56.26 | mickeyl | oh gawd |
| 21:56.26 | zecke_ | hehe |
| 21:56.27 | mickeyl | a sharp rom |
| 21:56.29 | mickeyl | *pukeÜ |
| 21:57.17 | mickeyl | well this learned us a lesson |
| 21:57.27 | mickeyl | we should add size sanity checking into updater.sh |
| 21:57.52 | marcansoft | or check for a signature on the file. Something that indicates that it's a kernel |
| 21:58.12 | zecke_ | yeah Sharp should only flash signed kernels |
| 21:58.22 | marcansoft | I don't mean digital signatures |
| 21:58.29 | marcansoft | just some magic # in the file |
| 21:58.33 | marcansoft | that tells it it's a valid kernel |
| 21:58.39 | marcansoft | maybe even a CRC or something |
| 21:59.08 | zecke_ | marcansoft: I've understood it, I just wanted to joke and render ourselves useless |
| 21:59.20 | marcansoft | lol |
| 21:59.22 | zecke_ | marcansoft: the hh.org bootldr for example checks the kernel header |
| 21:59.48 | mickeyl | yeah, kernel header looks like a must |
| 21:59.53 | mickeyl | and size checking |
| 22:00.05 | mickeyl | this thing flashed 20mb at kernel position |
| 22:00.13 | mickeyl | no wonder it overwrote stuff |
| 22:00.23 | marcansoft | what did it overwrite? |
| 22:00.25 | marcansoft | (just curious) |
| 22:00.44 | mickeyl | the updater kernel, that one comes after the standard kernel |
| 22:00.52 | mickeyl | see sharpsl mtd layout pic |
| 22:00.59 | mickeyl | http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/nandmap.jpg |
| 22:01.06 | marcansoft | yeah, I know there are two kernels |
| 22:01.13 | mickeyl | besides... |
| 22:01.16 | mickeyl | it wasn't a kernel at all |
| 22:01.18 | marcansoft | the big sharp logo uponj maintenance menu is a dead giveaway :P |
| 22:01.21 | mickeyl | it was a jffs2 :D |
| 22:01.34 | marcansoft | I wonder if it tried to execute it as arm9 instructions |
| 22:01.49 | mickeyl | if, then not many before it haltet |
| 22:02.00 | marcansoft | quite probably an invalid instruction soon enough |
| 22:02.03 | marcansoft | or an infinite loop |
| 22:02.03 | mickeyl | yep |
| 22:02.08 | mickeyl | ok, enough sharp ROM |
| 22:03.31 | *** join/#oe Crofton_ (~balister@66-207-66-26.black.dmt.ntelos.net) |
| 22:03.38 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:03.42 | mickeyl | now it no longer resumes from sleep |
| 22:03.44 | mickeyl | wtf ? |
| 22:04.01 | marcansoft | BTW |
| 22:04.06 | marcansoft | what exactly is the ADJ value? |
| 22:04.09 | marcansoft | the LCD bias or something? |
| 22:04.40 | mickeyl | i think so |
| 22:04.56 | mickeyl | RP would be the man to query for a definitive answer |
| 22:05.15 | marcansoft | I'm not sure if it is safe to touch. My screen seems to blink less with the lines on the diag menu if I add 10 units to it, but I'm not sure if I'll mess up something |
| 22:05.20 | mickeyl | hmm, no it just looks like either a broken or a pretty low battery |
| 22:06.01 | marcansoft | heh, I had quite an episode getting an sl-5500 to run from a DC power supply with no batteries |
| 22:06.09 | marcansoft | ended up wiring 3.9V to the battery connector directly |
| 22:06.14 | mickeyl | eek nasty |
| 22:06.24 | mickeyl | geek value :) |
| 22:06.28 | marcansoft | (I plan to use it for an embedded controller, the touchpad is broken so it's not very usable as a PDA) |
| 22:06.42 | marcansoft | now it'll be the controller for my PC case |
| 22:06.50 | marcansoft | and I'll be the first to have a PC case that runs linux |
| 22:06.52 | marcansoft | wahahahah |
| 22:07.13 | marcansoft | (I guess I have crazy ideas sometimes) |
| 22:07.37 | Cwiiis | mickeyl: How comes release, need help with anything? |
| 22:07.42 | mickeyl | tosa testing |
| 22:07.48 | mickeyl | can you? |
| 22:07.53 | mickeyl | or can you find someone who can? |
| 22:07.56 | Cwiiis | If you send me a tosa :) |
| 22:07.59 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:08.01 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 22:08.05 | Cwiiis | I'll ask around |
| 22:08.07 | mickeyl | mine looks odd, you don't want that |
| 22:08.29 | mickeyl | ... |
| 22:08.36 | mickeyl | guess that'll take some more hours |
| 22:08.43 | marcansoft | I can do some testing if you need it |
| 22:08.45 | Cwiiis | ~tosa |
| 22:08.47 | ibot | it has been said that tosa is Sharp SL-6000, or a dog (see http://www.jkc.or.jp/japanese_dog/j_dog7_e.html) |
| 22:09.24 | marcansoft | the dog thing is a broken URL :P |
| 22:09.54 | CoreDump|home | looking at ZUG, I take it that you've found some poodle testers, right? |
| 22:10.13 | mickeyl | dunno |
| 22:10.34 | mickeyl | the "cook me an image and then i'll test" type of people are not very valuable concerning developing |
| 22:10.51 | CoreDump|home | true |
| 22:11.21 | koen | but they come in handy when you need to test stuff |
| 22:11.39 | marcansoft | mickeyl: I can test whatever you need on my tosa if you want :) |
| 22:11.54 | mickeyl | so you really have one? |
| 22:11.59 | mickeyl | the dog or the PDA ? :D |
| 22:12.03 | marcansoft | lol |
| 22:12.10 | marcansoft | yeah |
| 22:12.16 | zecke_ | RP: who is openhand.com? |
| 22:12.20 | marcansoft | the sl-5500 was my old one |
| 22:12.25 | marcansoft | now I'm a proud owner of a tosa :P |
| 22:12.25 | mickeyl | ibot: forget tosa |
| 22:12.26 | ibot | mickeyl: i forgot tosa |
| 22:12.41 | mickeyl | ibot: tosa is the Sharp SL-6000 PDA |
| 22:12.42 | ibot | mickeyl: okay |
| 22:12.47 | mickeyl | ibot: tosa is also a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/tosa.htm) |
| 22:12.48 | ibot | okay, mickeyl |
| 22:12.50 | mickeyl | ~botsnack |
| 22:12.50 | ibot | mickeyl: thanks |
| 22:13.01 | mickeyl | marcansoft: ok, cool, then head over to openzaurus.org/official/unstable/.3.5.3 |
| 22:13.14 | RP | zecke_: you mean openedhand.com? |
| 22:13.15 | marcansoft | OK :) |
| 22:13.25 | marcansoft | (I need to reflash anyway, I've messed my system up enough :P) |
| 22:13.34 | zecke_ | RP: lol, yeah |
| 22:13.54 | mickeyl | we need to get that 2.6 kernel on the 6k done |
| 22:14.02 | zecke_ | RP: it seems to be around since 2003 and went unnoticed |
| 22:14.05 | mickeyl | 2.4 is soo lousy on that model |
| 22:14.17 | RP | zecke_: Its the company who now employ me... |
| 22:14.37 | zecke_ | RP: how big are you? |
| 22:14.42 | RP | zecke_: The website says what it does, mallum is the boss ;-) |
| 22:14.57 | RP | 3 people atm |
| 22:15.01 | zecke_ | ;) |
| 22:15.32 | koen | o-hand.com for the lazy typers |
| 22:15.39 | *** join/#oe Timelord0 (~TL@64-147-65-170.access-4.intertex.net) |
| 22:15.39 | koen | typists* |
| 22:16.21 | marcansoft | my 6k is going crazy each passing minute |
| 22:16.27 | marcansoft | first, launcher messed up |
| 22:16.34 | marcansoft | then, backlight turns off and won't turn on |
| 22:16.39 | marcansoft | heh |
| 22:18.05 | RP | treke: You get used to the key repeat - its from the kernel keyboard driver |
| 22:18.23 | zecke_ | marcansoft: Collie GPE image flashed ok, started up, survived suspend/resume |
| 22:18.28 | zecke_ | mickeyl: Collie GPE image flashed ok, started up, survived suspend/resume |
| 22:18.31 | zecke_ | marcansoft: sorr |
| 22:18.34 | zecke_ | y |
| 22:18.40 | marcansoft | lol |
| 22:19.37 | mickeyl | zecke_: good. that's a sufficient test to make it branded "release quality" ;) |
| 22:19.39 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 22:19.57 | CoreDump|home | mickeyl: do you want me to offer a poodle "-pre" ROM @ ZUG for testing? (ie: the one from .3.5.3) |
| 22:20.05 | koen | "does not crash on first sight" |
| 22:20.12 | CoreDump|home | that would at least give _some_ feedback |
| 22:20.31 | luke-jr_ | 3.5.3 is annoying me |
| 22:20.53 | luke-jr_ | GPE, at least; haven't tried Opie yet |
| 22:20.54 | marcansoft | mickeyl: I guess I should kill /home before flashing, should I? |
| 22:20.57 | marcansoft | to start up cleanly |
| 22:21.00 | koen | when you can live without suspending 3.5.5 is great |
| 22:21.04 | mickeyl | marcansoft: at least rm -rf $HOME/Settings |
| 22:21.07 | mickeyl | the other things can stay |
| 22:21.09 | luke-jr_ | koen: suspending worked fine for me |
| 22:21.10 | marcansoft | ok |
| 22:21.14 | luke-jr_ | it's just the networking |
| 22:21.15 | treke | yeah I forgot to do that and first boot broke |
| 22:21.27 | marcansoft | I noticed that when I left over the home from the sharp ROM my opie-image started up with a small taskbar |
| 22:21.33 | marcansoft | after cleaning it would use the big one |
| 22:21.41 | marcansoft | no idea how to get back a small taskbar though |
| 22:21.53 | mickeyl | marcansoft: edit qpe.conf and play with the iconsize settings and usebigpixmap |
| 22:21.56 | mickeyl | if you want |
| 22:22.03 | marcansoft | thx :) |
| 22:22.03 | luke-jr_ | Apr 12 22:20:00 [kernel] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 53 |
| 22:22.04 | luke-jr_ | Apr 12 22:20:00 [kernel] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 22:22.21 | koen | luke-jr_: flashing opie won't fix that |
| 22:22.41 | luke-jr_ | koen: I'm hoping Opie will have wifi |
| 22:23.00 | marcansoft | mickeyl: is the wifi stuff in there? |
| 22:23.09 | mickeyl | marcansoft: actually, no idea |
| 22:23.11 | mickeyl | didn't test |
| 22:23.13 | koen | luke-jr_: the same wifi as gpe has |
| 22:23.15 | mickeyl | but all the drivers are in |
| 22:23.17 | luke-jr_ | :( |
| 22:23.19 | mickeyl | so it should work |
| 22:23.20 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: um... no |
| 22:23.24 | mickeyl | until you open networksettings, don't do that |
| 22:23.26 | marcansoft | if it's the default image, I guess yes. At least an opie-image I built had it in |
| 22:23.27 | luke-jr_ | orinoco drivers certainly aren't in GPE |
| 22:23.36 | mickeyl | huh ? |
| 22:23.41 | luke-jr_ | in GPE's image |
| 22:23.42 | koen | drivers are a distro thing |
| 22:23.44 | mickeyl | that can't be true |
| 22:23.50 | koen | not a DE thing |
| 22:23.59 | luke-jr_ | koen: I'm referring to OZ 3.5.3-pre GPE image |
| 22:24.02 | mickeyl | luke-jr_: which model are we talking about ? |
| 22:24.08 | mickeyl | drivers are also a device thing |
| 22:24.08 | luke-jr_ | mickeyl: c760 |
| 22:24.20 | mickeyl | aha |
| 22:24.27 | koen | mickeyl: did groucho touch OE? |
| 22:24.40 | mickeyl | orinoco has been broken until very recently someone took great pains to wade through patches and make it work with kernel 2.6 |
| 22:24.41 | koen | "I want a PDA, not an internet device" |
| 22:24.50 | mickeyl | no, don't thank me :D |
| 22:24.58 | mickeyl | koen: hehe |
| 22:25.00 | luke-jr_ | koen: Z aren't supposed to be PDAs =p |
| 22:25.11 | koen | PMT, whatever |
| 22:25.23 | luke-jr_ | koen: handheld computer =p |
| 22:25.34 | koen | mine says "PMT" |
| 22:25.40 | mickeyl | orinoco 0.13e, that is. 015 compiles fine on 2.6 but is completely broken on arm :/ |
| 22:26.04 | RP | mickeyl: You found the problem? |
| 22:26.05 | luke-jr_ | so... 3.5.3 won't support orinocos? |
| 22:26.15 | mickeyl | oh why don't you listen |
| 22:26.18 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> orinoco has been broken until very recently someone took great pains to wade through patches and make it work with kernel 2.6 |
| 22:26.23 | mickeyl | RP: no |
| 22:26.28 | luke-jr_ | But is that in time for 3.5.3? |
| 22:26.29 | mickeyl | RP: i made 0.13e work with 2.6 |
| 22:26.35 | mickeyl | luke-jr_: yes |
| 22:26.46 | luke-jr_ | ok; how about the current snapshot? |
| 22:26.49 | mickeyl | RP: 0.15 is completely utterly broken |
| 22:26.57 | mickeyl | i don't know and I don't comment about snapshots |
| 22:27.02 | mickeyl | i have a hard time supporting release images |
| 22:27.04 | mickeyl | i won't go into snaps |
| 22:27.06 | mickeyl | period |
| 22:27.17 | RP | mickeyl: at least we have something working - nice work :) |
| 22:27.28 | jskcr|JLime | mikeyl I use the .15 with the kismet patches and they work bettern than the 13e |
| 22:27.41 | RP | mickeyl: some of us do appreciate you ;-) |
| 22:27.48 | mickeyl | jskcr|JLime: you are using 0.15 on an arm platform ??? |
| 22:27.50 | mickeyl | RP: ;) |
| 22:27.59 | jskcr|JLime | no on a sh3 platform |
| 22:28.03 | mickeyl | aha |
| 22:28.06 | mickeyl | good luck for you then |
| 22:28.12 | mickeyl | no aligning issues there ? |
| 22:28.18 | mickeyl | s/good luck/you are lucky/ |
| 22:28.37 | jskcr|JLime | Ill send ya a tarball of the patches if ya like they support monitor mode and work great with kismet |
| 22:28.56 | mickeyl | here on arm, 0.15rc1 spits out lots of BAP errors and 0.15rc2 doesn't even startup the netdev |
| 22:29.04 | mickeyl | jskcr|JLime: yeah sure, let me have a look |
| 22:29.45 | mickeyl | i'd love to use 0.15 it's so much better and has more features, but alas, we can't yet |
| 22:30.32 | mickeyl | hmm i guess charging time will take longer than i can wait tonite. marcansoft, please keep me updated on the tosa issue, need to catch some sleep |
| 22:30.34 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:31.12 | RP | 'night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 22:31.50 | luke-jr_ | Opie image works :) |
| 22:33.59 | marcansoft | booting... |
| 22:34.23 | luke-jr_ | ls hangs... o.O |
| 22:34.39 | zecke_ | good nite |
| 22:34.41 | luke-jr_ | in /media/cf in c760 opie |
| 22:34.46 | marcansoft | unresolved symbols un prism2_pci... like I care |
| 22:34.50 | marcansoft | asi if the tosa had PCI :P |
| 22:35.03 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 22:37.03 | marcansoft | hm... |
| 22:37.09 | marcansoft | working OK, as I expected actually |
| 22:37.17 | marcansoft | (heck my own OZ build worked) |
| 22:37.26 | marcansoft | but it's got the stupid screen corruption bug |
| 22:37.33 | marcansoft | it's minor, but I don't know if there's a fix for it |
| 22:37.34 | luke-jr_ | I can't build OZ cuz BitBake eats too much RAM |
| 22:37.40 | luke-jr_ | I only have 1 GB of RAM on my box :( |
| 22:37.45 | marcansoft | ~cowbb |
| 22:37.47 | koen | bbcow |
| 22:37.50 | luke-jr_ | tried it |
| 22:37.50 | marcansoft | whatever |
| 22:37.52 | koen | ~bbcow |
| 22:37.53 | ibot | bbcow is probably a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 22:38.00 | marcansoft | works for me |
| 22:38.04 | marcansoft | and I've got only 768 |
| 22:38.11 | koen | I have one gig over here too and OE works without cow |
| 22:38.18 | Cwiiis | luke-jr_: I only have 640 megs and bb is fine... |
| 22:38.24 | marcansoft | I can run without cow if I drop to console |
| 22:38.28 | luke-jr_ | Ok... well, when BitBake *doesn't* eat too much RAM, it's also too slow to load the data |
| 22:38.29 | marcansoft | I need cow when working with KDE |
| 22:39.04 | luke-jr_ | If I don't care about speed at all, I can get BitBake to use about 1 MB RAM =p |
| 22:39.28 | marcansoft | wohoho, just looked at the personal details "details" tab |
| 22:39.43 | marcansoft | the birthday buttons are about 2x2cm |
| 22:39.48 | marcansoft | almost 3 |
| 22:39.49 | koen | details on details |
| 22:39.49 | marcansoft | lol |
| 22:39.51 | koen | eleet |
| 22:40.04 | marcansoft | nah |
| 22:40.07 | marcansoft | d33t41ls |
| 22:40.40 | marcansoft | nice opie background... too bad it's gotta go :P |
| 22:40.47 | marcansoft | (I made my own) |
| 22:41.03 | marcansoft | btw running fine on my tosa :) |
| 22:41.12 | luke-jr_ | GPE? |
| 22:41.35 | marcansoft | opie |
| 22:42.19 | luke-jr_ | Opie started freezing up when I did stuff (like ls) after a while |
| 22:42.30 | luke-jr_ | I'm going to try GPE w/ Opie-image's /lib/modules |
| 22:42.44 | koen | that won't make a difference |
| 22:42.57 | koen | both images have exactly the same base system |
| 22:43.12 | luke-jr_ | obviously not |
| 22:43.26 | luke-jr_ | there is no orinoco in GPE-image-c760's /lib/modules anywhere |
| 22:43.37 | marcansoft | hey! it already has konqueror! nice :) |
| 22:43.41 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 22:43.44 | luke-jr_ | Konq/E sucks |
| 22:43.52 | luke-jr_ | compared to real Konq, at least |
| 22:44.03 | marcansoft | of course... |
| 22:44.08 | marcansoft | but it's better than nothing :P |
| 22:44.10 | luke-jr_ | 3.5.2's Konq/E crashed w/ cookies too |
| 22:44.20 | luke-jr_ | but GPE's image has Minimo ;) |
| 22:44.25 | luke-jr_ | and you can install FireFox |
| 22:45.05 | marcansoft | gotta gry GPE |
| 22:45.11 | koen | ~stab mysql |
| 22:45.19 | ibot | ACTION runs at mysql with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:45.19 | marcansoft | the problema s I see it is that in GPE I have a bunch of X apps I like |
| 22:45.21 | marcansoft | but I also like a bunch of opie apps |
| 22:45.21 | luke-jr_ | GPE had issues w/ 3.5.2... I'm hoping they're resolved now :) |
| 22:45.22 | marcansoft | lol |
| 22:45.37 | luke-jr_ | marcansoft: "Opie" apps are just Qt... usually |
| 22:45.48 | luke-jr_ | you could install Qt/X11 |
| 22:45.55 | marcansoft | yeah but will they compile straight onto plain qt? |
| 22:45.58 | jskcr|JLime | paper cut? |
| 22:46.01 | luke-jr_ | why not? |
| 22:46.10 | marcansoft | I thought Qt/E had some differences |
| 22:46.11 | luke-jr_ | jskcr: ? |
| 22:46.19 | koen | it's been designed by trolls |
| 22:46.20 | jskcr|JLime | koen wtf is mysql with a paper cut? |
| 22:46.24 | luke-jr_ | marcansoft: Qt/E used by Opie is horribly obsolete, but that's about it, IIRC |
| 22:46.33 | marcansoft | oh |
| 22:46.39 | Cwiiis | luke-jr_: Well, Opiq apps run on a patched qt/e 2... You'd need old Qt2 of course, or you'd need to patch the apps a lot - I think, anyway |
| 22:46.41 | luke-jr_ | jskcr: Papercut is like some NNTP thing, IIRC o.O |
| 22:46.53 | koen | jskcr|JLime: it requires an *external* *binary only* lib to link with apps |
| 22:47.01 | luke-jr_ | I think Qt 3 is binary compat w/ Qt 2 and 1 |
| 22:47.16 | jskcr|JLime | oic |
| 22:47.34 | jskcr|JLime | the mysqlclient lib i assume |
| 22:47.39 | koen | libmygcc.a |
| 22:47.50 | koen | libmysqld.a needs that |
| 22:48.08 | koen | and libmygcc.a is only shipped in binary mysql dists |
| 22:49.59 | luke-jr_ | aha |
| 22:50.21 | luke-jr_ | GPE uses 2,4,18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 22:50.29 | luke-jr_ | not 2.6.11 like Opie |
| 22:50.51 | marcansoft | oh |
| 22:51.08 | marcansoft | none of the calendar/light/mail/etc buttons work on my tosa |
| 22:51.15 | marcansoft | is that by design? :P |
| 22:51.18 | luke-jr_ | I think so |
| 22:53.49 | marcansoft | oh |
| 22:53.52 | marcansoft | underscore won't work |
| 22:54.45 | treke | luke-jr_: compatibility problems of some kind |
| 22:55.48 | luke-jr_ | treke: so my idea of using Opie's zImage w/ GPE initrd is going to fail... XD |
| 22:55.51 | marcansoft | luke-jr_:? |
| 22:55.57 | marcansoft | my image on my tosa is running 2.4 |
| 22:56.07 | treke | luke-jr_: yes. miserably |
| 22:56.13 | Cwiiis | luke-jr_: er, I don't think Qt is binary backwards-compatible across major versions... I'd like to be wrong though :) |
| 22:56.19 | luke-jr_ | treke: GPE splash is upside down so far :) |
| 22:56.34 | luke-jr_ | Cwiiis: I think Qt 4 is the first time they're breaking bin compat |
| 22:56.49 | treke | nope |
| 22:56.58 | treke | each major version breaks binary compatibility |
| 22:57.03 | luke-jr_ | oh |
| 22:57.12 | luke-jr_ | first time source compat is broken, maybe? |
| 22:57.17 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:57.17 | treke | not really |
| 22:57.21 | marcansoft | luke-jr_: Offtopic: where'd you get the "xD" emoticon? I've only seen it on spanish people :P |
| 22:57.22 | luke-jr_ | hmm |
| 22:57.27 | *** join/#oe jbowler (~jbowler@67-139-207-38.dsl1.myc.or.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:57.34 | luke-jr_ | marcansoft: it has an anime community origin |
| 22:57.45 | treke | luke-jr_: it's just more dramatic breakage than usual |
| 22:57.48 | marcansoft | the spanierds tend to use it just like lol |
| 22:57.54 | treke | 2->3 was fairly tame for most apps |
| 22:58.03 | treke | I dont know about 1->2 |
| 23:05.21 | marcansoft | whoops |
| 23:05.30 | marcansoft | whole thing died after playing with wifi |
| 23:06.53 | luke-jr_ | o.o |
| 23:07.07 | marcansoft | after a couple ifup's/ifdowns it just crashed |
| 23:07.14 | marcansoft | reboot... |
| 23:08.42 | luke-jr_ | anyway, GPE and Opie images certainly don't use the same base system =p |
| 23:10.34 | treke | the base is the same |
| 23:10.40 | treke | just different dependencies involved |
| 23:11.47 | koen | they are both bootstrap-image + gui |
| 23:12.16 | koen | most likely there is an opie-image out there without orinocomodules too |
| 23:12.43 | luke-jr_ | koen: Nope |
| 23:12.54 | luke-jr_ | koen: Opie uses Linux 2.6; GPE uses Linux 2.4 |
| 23:12.57 | treke | you're telling us no, but we've got the source right here |
| 23:13.17 | luke-jr_ | bootstrap image is either 2.6 or 2.4, but not likely both |
| 23:13.18 | treke | opie uses 2.4 just fine as well |
| 23:13.19 | koen | strange |
| 23:13.24 | luke-jr_ | treke: Opie-image |
| 23:13.27 | koen | It really says 2.6 here |
| 23:13.43 | marcansoft | luke-jr_: how can they be different kerneles? |
| 23:13.48 | marcansoft | isn'0t the kernel one single zImage? |
| 23:13.52 | luke-jr_ | marcansoft: no |
| 23:13.56 | treke | koen: mickey built gpe-image with 2.4 |
| 23:14.33 | koen | treke: I know, I didn't |
| 23:14.34 | koen | Linux c7x0 2.6.11 #1 Fri Apr 8 16:03:15 CEST 2005 armv5tel unknown |
| 23:14.43 | kergoth | luke-jr_: kernel version is a function of build options / builder / distro policy, not gpe-image/opie-image, which is packageset. to say that opie uses linux 2.6 is a load of crap. |
| 23:14.55 | kergoth | hmm, need food |
| 23:15.12 | marcansoft | shit, usbnet isn't working |
| 23:15.17 | koen | 1:15 am and I'm hungry again |
| 23:15.27 | koen | shouldn't have eating that midnight snack |
| 23:15.32 | koen | eaten even |
| 23:15.35 | luke-jr_ | kergoth: I am obviously referring to the files under .3.5.3 |
| 23:15.41 | jskcr|JLime | koen you need to buy some hot pockets |
| 23:16.55 | koen | I need to loose 20kg before snacking more |
| 23:17.12 | kergoth | luke-jr_: then say so. this isnt an OZ channel. |
| 23:17.36 | reenoo_afk | 'night all |
| 23:17.55 | koen | 'night reenoo_afk |
| 23:22.22 | marcansoft | my PC now I gotta change the linux usbnet driver to recognize my Z |
| 23:22.24 | marcansoft | oh well |
| 23:23.09 | marcansoft | Apr 13 01:23:03 marcansoft usb 5-1.1: bad CDC descriptors |
| 23:23.12 | marcansoft | ok, that's an improvement |
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