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| 00:04.35 | w3rwolf_2nd | me again... |
| 00:05.59 | werwolf | ~ |
| 00:06.05 | werwolf | d'uh |
| 00:07.15 | w3rwolf | ls |
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| 00:35.56 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... |
| 00:37.54 | CosmicPenguin | I suppose there's no real way to add entries to the passwd.master file without an install_append override? |
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| 00:46.54 | CIA-8 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.3142 10openembedded/packages/libglade/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libglade: update to 2.4.2 which fixes improper use of the toolbar API. make no-xml2.patch apply against 2.4.2. |
| 00:46.55 | cdbot | CIA-8: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 00:47.24 | reenoo | heh |
| 00:47.25 | reenoo | wtf |
| 00:49.04 | reenoo | CoreDump|afk: fix that freaking bot I'd say |
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| 00:58.14 | scanline | haha |
| 00:58.49 | scanline | is it picking up the color code at the beginning of the message as a command? |
| 00:59.12 | reenoo | botwars in #oe |
| 00:59.59 | scanline | at least you don't have people committing with bot commands in their log messages yet ;) |
| 01:00.50 | reenoo | oh, we do actually |
| 01:00.54 | reenoo | http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/search/?expr=lart&search=ChangeSet+comments |
| 01:02.01 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:05.52 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 01:09.17 | CosmicPenguin | wo cdbot? |
| 01:09.20 | CosmicPenguin | s/wo/sho? |
| 01:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | gah |
| 01:09.29 | CosmicPenguin | s/wo/who/ |
| 01:09.29 | Richard48 | has anyone successfully compiled and run gpdf? |
| 01:09.41 | CosmicPenguin | probably not |
| 01:09.56 | CosmicPenguin | It probably belongs in nonworking |
| 01:09.56 | Richard48 | I can compile it and all dependencies but the viewer program segfaults |
| 01:10.26 | Richard48 | oh dear! Am i the bleeding edge? |
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| 01:24.25 | w3rwolf | *grrr* CVSdate 20050321 of minimo does N-O-T work!! |
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| 01:28.28 | dragoneye | o_O |
| 01:28.38 | dragoneye | does anyone know a mirror for mozilla-cvs checkouts? |
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| 01:35.25 | edragoney | *grr* |
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| 01:56.30 | Crofton | hey |
| 01:59.05 | kergoth | hey |
| 01:59.37 | Crofton | I am trying to deal with an obstinate configure problem |
| 01:59.58 | Crofton | It seems like inheriting native sets prefx etc so the install works |
| 02:00.06 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:00.29 | Crofton | but if you don't inherit native, do_install sets DEST_DIR to make stuff go the right place |
| 02:01.13 | Crofton | ala |
| 02:01.23 | Crofton | autotools_do_install() { |
| 02:01.23 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.23 | Crofton | } |
| 02:03.02 | kergoth | thats unnecessary. |
| 02:03.10 | Crofton | hmm |
| 02:03.16 | kergoth | automake makefiles install, e.g. binaries to $(DESTDIR)$(bindir) |
| 02:03.22 | kergoth | if bindir is /oe_stuff/etc already |
| 02:03.26 | kergoth | you're duplicating it. |
| 02:03.26 | Crofton | when I run without native bad things are happening |
| 02:03.33 | kergoth | oe_runmake install. |
| 02:03.36 | kergoth | thats it |
| 02:03.49 | kergoth | no need for destdir, because the prefixes are set directly |
| 02:04.01 | kergoth | eh |
| 02:04.05 | Crofton | my config.log shows prefix no good for the cross case |
| 02:04.08 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 02:04.13 | kergoth | native is for NATIVE COMPILATION ONLY |
| 02:04.13 | Crofton | works when I inherit native |
| 02:04.18 | Crofton | I know I know |
| 02:04.22 | kergoth | if you're trying to compile with the crosscompiler, it WILL NOT WORK |
| 02:04.24 | kergoth | period |
| 02:04.27 | Crofton | I need to buld native for some tools |
| 02:04.32 | kergoth | okay.. ? |
| 02:04.34 | Crofton | patience |
| 02:04.54 | Crofton | I build native fine, then build the libraires required for target |
| 02:05.00 | kergoth | native is designed for build tools. |
| 02:05.06 | Crofton | but install tries to put them in usr/lib |
| 02:05.06 | kergoth | you dont need a do_install at all. |
| 02:05.09 | kergoth | you arent creating a package from it. |
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| 02:05.17 | Crofton | native wokrs |
| 02:05.22 | Crofton | non native os the problem |
| 02:05.27 | Crofton | is |
| 02:05.33 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 02:05.48 | Crofton | the non-native build tries to install to /usr/lib |
| 02:05.55 | kergoth | not all packages obey DESTDIR. |
| 02:06.00 | kergoth | if it uses autoconf, but not automake |
| 02:06.05 | Crofton | | + /usr/bin/install -c -m 0644 static/libomnithread.a /usr/lib |
| 02:06.05 | Crofton | | /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/lib/libomnithread.a': Permission denied |
| 02:06.05 | kergoth | then it doestn have automake gnerated makefile.in's |
| 02:06.07 | Crofton | OK |
| 02:06.08 | kergoth | they're custom. |
| 02:06.11 | kergoth | patch it to obey DESTDIR |
| 02:06.14 | Crofton | OK |
| 02:06.16 | kergoth | or pass prefix, bindir, etc on the maek install line |
| 02:06.22 | kergoth | this is extremely common. look around the oe tree |
| 02:06.26 | Crofton | so the DEsTDIR is the right thing for my case |
| 02:06.32 | Crofton | OK |
| 02:06.36 | kergoth | it really _should_ obey something like destdir, yeah |
| 02:07.00 | Crofton | so without native, configure doesn't aim directly into the OE tree? |
| 02:07.14 | kergoth | bindir is a _target_ path. |
| 02:07.20 | kergoth | that could end up compiled into the binaries |
| 02:07.23 | Crofton | ah |
| 02:07.26 | Crofton | got it |
| 02:07.27 | kergoth | it cannot be prefixed with build system paths |
| 02:07.30 | kergoth | thats why destdir exists |
| 02:07.41 | Crofton | yes I get it |
| 02:07.43 | Crofton | thanks |
| 02:07.49 | kergoth | no problem |
| 02:07.58 | Crofton | Got a job yet? |
| 02:08.13 | Crofton | Or more to the pint, what do you want to be when you grow up? |
| 02:08.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:08.21 | kergoth | i wish i knew |
| 02:08.30 | Crofton | Don't worry about not knowing the answer, I still don't |
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| 02:58.28 | treke|home | kergoth: you get your document done? |
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| 03:36.30 | Crofton | bother omniORB has DESTDIR, can't figure out why it dosn't work ... |
| 03:37.36 | Crofton | Answer to above question, I am being stupid again |
| 03:39.42 | Crofton | still, a worthwhile effort spent figuring out how oe works |
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| 04:17.24 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 06:56.45 | punkass | hello all |
| 06:58.22 | punkass | i am trying to use a lego tower on the host usb on an sl-6000, but i noticed that there was kernel problems with 2.4.22-pre3 |
| 06:58.40 | punkass | as stated on the legousb website |
| 06:59.37 | punkass | its to do with ohci having problems with it, I am just curious if other patchs would have been made to the oe kernel |
| 06:59.55 | punkass | sorry it was fixed in 2.4.22-pre3 |
| 07:00.24 | emte | if its specific to usb, then it would probably have been fixed in a kernel release |
| 07:00.42 | emte | i dont own a zaurus so i can only speculate |
| 07:00.51 | punkass | i am running the 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3...i just am not sure how closly the embedded kernel follows the normal linux kernel |
| 07:01.18 | emte | its the reg kernle with a huge amount of patches |
| 07:01.55 | punkass | hmm ok |
| 07:02.36 | punkass | i am just pluggin the usb tower in and dmesg shows it correctly and the module gets loaded but its still saying "no such device" when i try to acces it |
| 07:03.09 | punkass | thats why i was curious about patches etc |
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| 07:04.46 | emte | sounds like the specific id you need was not built |
| 07:05.05 | emte | i am not sure if a lego module is in the feed or not |
| 07:05.06 | punkass | not sure what that means |
| 07:05.12 | emte | i sorta doubt it tho |
| 07:05.15 | punkass | no i made my own |
| 07:05.21 | punkass | with the help of kergoth |
| 07:05.44 | punkass | legousbtower.c: LEGO USB Tower device now attached to /dev/usb/lego0 |
| 07:05.44 | punkass | legousbtower.c : tower_probe : leave, return value 0xc2d10360 (dev) |
| 07:05.44 | punkass | legousbtower.c: LEGO USB Tower Driver v2.4.x 0.55 |
| 07:06.13 | emte | accessing as root returns the no such device? |
| 07:06.24 | punkass | so to me that means its at least seeing it when i plug i in |
| 07:06.25 | punkass | yes |
| 07:07.08 | punkass | ls -al /dev/usb/lego0 |
| 07:07.08 | punkass | crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 180, 160 Mar 21 21:57 /dev/usb/lego0 |
| 07:07.14 | punkass | echo "stuff" > /dev/usb/lego0 |
| 07:07.14 | punkass | -sh: cannot create /dev/usb/lego0: No such device |
| 07:07.42 | emte | not sure |
| 07:07.51 | emte | you must be missing a step |
| 07:08.05 | punkass | maybe..just not sure what it is |
| 07:08.27 | punkass | device is seen, module is loaded, not sure what else there is |
| 07:09.07 | emte | did you try mounting the device? |
| 07:09.13 | punkass | hmm nope |
| 07:09.27 | emte | i am kinda guessing |
| 07:09.54 | punkass | ah right, cant do it: Block device required |
| 07:10.37 | emte | so ... you need to do a makedev perhaps ... |
| 07:10.59 | emte | depends on the dev method the zaurus uses |
| 07:11.06 | punkass | well i did a mknod they way they tell you to |
| 07:11.09 | punkass | ah |
| 07:12.34 | punkass | hmm what is the makedevs command? |
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| 07:28.43 | punkass | from what i understand makedevs is like running mknot a bunch of times? |
| 07:28.51 | punkass | *mknod |
| 07:29.03 | treke|home | more or less |
| 07:29.45 | punkass | hmm ok...as long as it doesnt to something extra that mknod doesnt |
| 07:30.00 | treke|home | that would fall under "more" |
| 07:30.13 | punkass | ? |
| 07:30.18 | treke|home | it might do more |
| 07:30.51 | punkass | ah..well i just need to create one device, so if mknod should be fine on oz then i can rule that out |
| 07:32.45 | punkass | im not sure if you were following my conversation with emte, if so any thoughts? |
| 07:35.55 | punkass | so i know this is a development forum...just not sure where else to ask |
| 07:35.58 | punkass | so = sorry |
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| 07:39.15 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:39.30 | punkass | morning |
| 07:41.00 | punkass | koen: is there any trick to making devs on oe? |
| 07:42.01 | punkass | by devs i mean /dev/usb/whatever |
| 07:42.03 | koen | ? |
| 07:42.09 | koen | ah |
| 07:42.10 | koen | ehm |
| 07:42.20 | koen | ehm |
| 07:42.33 | koen | doesn't devfs do that for you? |
| 07:42.54 | punkass | i plug my usb device in, the modules load, dmesg shows correctly, but when i try to access it i get: No such device |
| 07:43.11 | punkass | no i did a mknod to create it |
| 07:44.01 | CIA-8 | 03pb 07 * r1.3143 10openembedded/packages/tslib/tslib/ts.conf-h2200: |
| 07:44.01 | CIA-8 | change "h2200_linear" to "linear_h2200". |
| 07:44.01 | CIA-8 | Reported by Matt Reimer. |
| 07:44.01 | cdbot | CIA-8: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the addhostmask command). |
| 07:53.17 | bluelightning | stupid cdbot |
| 07:53.18 | cdbot | bluelightning: I have no frelling idea! |
| 07:53.30 | bluelightning | I bet you don't |
| 07:53.56 | koen | ibot: lart cdbot |
| 07:53.56 | cdbot | koen: I have no frelling idea! |
| 07:54.05 | emte | he needs a proper tigger is what he needs |
| 07:54.41 | emte | change "freak" to "thats what emte is" |
| 07:54.54 | emte | hmm |
| 07:55.17 | emte | he needs an intro ... why is CIA in his access list ? |
| 08:00.28 | greg72 | morning all |
| 08:01.19 | koen | 'morning greg72 |
| 08:01.23 | koen | hey emte |
| 08:01.47 | greg72 | hi koen |
| 08:01.58 | emte | hey |
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| 08:10.09 | CoreDump|home | ah shit |
| 08:10.11 | CoreDump|home | sorry folks |
| 08:10.23 | CoreDump|home | cdbot: part #oe |
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| 08:11.33 | koen | CoreDump|home: :) |
| 08:11.40 | CoreDump|home | sigh |
| 08:11.53 | CoreDump|home | morning :) |
| 08:12.43 | CoreDump|home | i was trying to relay commit messages into another channel heh. Problem was that there werent any commits for hours yesterday and i forgot about it before going to sleep |
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| 08:36.36 | greg72 | guys and girls, my oe tried to fetch a package through cvs but timed out. Could the problem be that I'm behind the firewall? How can I configure bitbake to use proxychains? |
| 08:41.47 | CoreDump|home | greg72: the firewall could indeed be a problem |
| 08:42.19 | CoreDump|home | but i honestly don't know if CVS supports a proxy. It isn't using FTP or HHTP |
| 08:44.48 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:45.05 | aoe | should be possible with socks, according to google there are cvs versions with socks enabled |
| 08:45.08 | CoreDump|home | hi hrw|work |
| 08:46.15 | aoe | not with your run of the mill http proxy, though |
| 08:48.07 | hrw|work | I/m learning how to write on my "new" keyboard... |
| 08:49.47 | koen | hey hrw|work |
| 08:49.59 | hrw|work | my second legal thing from M$ - old 'microsoft natural keyboard' |
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| 09:18.54 | greg72 | hi people back |
| 09:18.57 | CoreDump|home | that was the mother of all net splits |
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| 09:19.53 | bluelightning | hmm I was wondering where everyone had gone |
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| 09:21.19 | XorA | morning |
| 09:21.30 | RP | morning XorA |
| 09:21.31 | greg72 | morgen |
| 09:21.43 | RP | That was quite a split :) |
| 09:21.52 | XorA | yeah, I was feeling lonely |
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| 09:22.45 | bluelightning | hi XorA, RP |
| 09:26.01 | hrw|work | generating qpf fonts take looong time |
| 09:26.18 | hrw|work | 222 fonts for each rotation... |
| 09:26.23 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
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| 09:27.28 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 09:27.34 | hrw|work | hmm.. I have to learn how to use keyboard with keys splitted into two parts (so called ergonomic) |
| 09:27.45 | hrw|work | hi ade |
| 09:28.01 | XorA | hrw|work: they are a pain to start with |
| 09:28.06 | RP | hi ade, bluelightning |
| 09:28.15 | CoreDump|home | never got used to them. I trashed mine eventually |
| 09:28.17 | hrw|work | XorA: I know - but my wrists can pain too |
| 09:28.17 | bluelightning | hi ade|desk |
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| 09:28.53 | ade|desk | ergonomic keyboards are just plain wrong |
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| 09:29.35 | XorA | I found playing Unreal on them helped me learn quick |
| 09:29.42 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
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| 09:31.20 | hrw|work | 366 qpfs and counting.. |
| 09:31.27 | wrobbie | newbie question happy fun time! |
| 09:31.39 | hrw|work | wrobbie: how much is 32424*241-056? |
| 09:31.40 | wrobbie | NOTE: multiple providers are available (c7x0-kernels-2.4-embedix, linux-colinux, linux-xxs1500, linux-uml, ipod, linux-epia, linux-mtx-1, linux-netvista); |
| 09:31.40 | wrobbie | NOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel |
| 09:31.57 | wrobbie | how do I pick a vanilla 2.6.11? |
| 09:32.07 | wrobbie | I' |
| 09:32.14 | hrw|work | wrobbie: does OE have vanilla 2.6.11? |
| 09:32.19 | wrobbie | hrw: i'm not autistic, you know :) |
| 09:32.42 | wrobbie | i dunno, doesn't it? |
| 09:32.52 | wrobbie | -epia comes close |
| 09:35.22 | wrobbie | meh |
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| 09:44.54 | mickeyl | morning |
| 09:45.05 | RP | morning mickeyl |
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| 09:45.43 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3143 10openembedded/conf/machine/ (tosa-2.6.conf tosa-2.4.conf tosa.conf): split tosa machine configuration into generic, 2.4, 2.6 parts |
| 09:45.46 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3142 10openembedded/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add a version of orinoco-0.13e that compiles against kernel 2.6 and choose that version for the clamshells and the poodle |
| 09:46.13 | mickeyl | patched my brains out yesterday nite |
| 09:46.22 | mickeyl | to get spectrum_cs to compile against 2.6.x |
| 09:46.33 | mickeyl | didn't test it yet though |
| 09:47.13 | RP | Those wireless drivers seem to be a right pain... |
| 09:47.43 | hrw|work | mickeyl: iirc you have atleast one card for it.. |
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| 09:48.00 | mickeyl | yes, i have a symbol/spectrum card which is my favourite Wlan card |
| 09:48.08 | mickeyl | but the driver has always been problematic |
| 09:48.15 | mickeyl | at least I got David's attention again |
| 09:48.24 | mickeyl | regarding the 0.15 situation |
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| 10:06.07 | stephan-01 | hi, anybody around who can tell me how to make bitbake choose a cvs version over one with a specified version ? |
| 10:06.15 | XorA | under opie/2/6 kernel why does Ctr emit a ^B? |
| 10:10.35 | hrw|work | stephan-01: PREFFERED_VERSION_package ="" |
| 10:14.08 | RP | XorA: The Ctrl and Alt keys seem to be malfunctioning under opie :-/ |
| 10:14.52 | greg72 | schurig: do you have a working knowledge of the internals of lib/bb/fetch.py in bitbake? Unfortunately I'm only a python-wannabe... |
| 10:15.10 | RP | I've also noticed the first line of pixels on the lcd is flickering :-/ |
| 10:15.20 | schurig | greg72: not so much. I wrote an early prototype, but kergoth hacked it up very much |
| 10:15.57 | greg72 | schurig: um.. and he is sleeping, I suppose... |
| 10:16.17 | bluelightning | for a change :) |
| 10:16.19 | schurig | greg72: what is your problem? |
| 10:16.30 | schurig | greg72: fetch.py work for 99% of all developers :-) |
| 10:17.16 | greg72 | the problem I would like to solve is the following: I would like to set "proxychains cvs" instead of simple "cvs" as the cvs command. But it does not seem to be easy concerning my non-knowledge of python and bitbake |
| 10:19.10 | hrw|work | greg72: set FETCHCOMMAND_cvs="proxychains cvs" |
| 10:19.16 | hrw|work | greg72: in conf/local.conf |
| 10:19.30 | hrw|work | greg72: same yu have to do with UPDATECOMMAND_cvs |
| 10:19.35 | greg72 | uhh, megathx |
| 10:19.50 | hrw|work | I tweaked fetch.py also ;) |
| 10:22.00 | hrw|work | someone mounted simpad on the wall? as replacement for note table... |
| 10:23.44 | XorA | RP: which edge of screen, I am unable to see it |
| 10:25.52 | greg72 | hrw|work: I have error messages but looking at the prolem. Stay tuned. |
| 10:26.44 | RP | In 640x480, on the left hand side |
| 10:27.49 | XorA | RP: no flickering on my device |
| 10:28.21 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: hm, nope setting PREFFERED_VERSION_package="" didn't do it |
| 10:28.39 | RP | XorA: If you open up a console window under opie with a single line down the LHS, does that line of pixels flicker? |
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| 10:30.04 | hrw|work | stephan-01: replace "" with proper version |
| 10:30.20 | hrw|work | hi Bernardo |
| 10:30.36 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: which then sould be 0.0cvsTIMESTAMP ? |
| 10:30.47 | schurig | hrw|work: mount /dev/simpad /mnt/wall |
| 10:30.55 | hrw|work | if this is cvs version.. |
| 10:31.04 | hrw|work | schurig: /media/wall |
| 10:31.13 | Bernardo | hi |
| 10:31.35 | bluelightning | hi Bernardo |
| 10:32.25 | Bernardo | mickeyl: I got the gpsd init.d script to work, but can't test it now as I left my gps card at home... |
| 10:33.02 | mickeyl | Bernardo: same here |
| 10:33.27 | mickeyl | Bernardo: i can test it later this day. can you make a patch against the tarball? |
| 10:33.33 | XorA | RP: not at all |
| 10:33.38 | Bernardo | I changed /bin/bash to /bin/sh, commented out the call to /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions, and replaced killproc with killall |
| 10:34.02 | Bernardo | I don't have the tarball here, I just edited the script on my collie, but I'll try tonight |
| 10:34.02 | RP | XorA: I must have a dodgy LCD :-/ |
| 10:34.16 | XorA | RP: I did that tuning thing on mine |
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| 10:34.32 | RP | XorA: Ah, that makes it go away :) |
| 10:34.37 | mickeyl | tuning thing? |
| 10:34.42 | mickeyl | sysclk or what? |
| 10:34.48 | hrw|work | comadj adjusting in diags |
| 10:34.49 | RP | fastpllclk (was fastsysclk) |
| 10:34.52 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:35.03 | RP | oh, comadj. Right |
| 10:35.04 | XorA | mickeyl: played with Diag screen |
| 10:35.16 | RP | That could be what is wrong with mine... |
| 10:36.10 | XorA | RP: you confused me with fastsys to fastpll change :-) |
| 10:37.06 | RP | XorA: I understand the w100 clocks a lot more now and the name was incorrect... |
| 10:37.20 | bluelightning | Bernardo: I can test if you want, I have a GPS card |
| 10:37.22 | mithro | hey people |
| 10:37.26 | bluelightning | hi mithro |
| 10:37.26 | mithro | what you all up to? |
| 10:37.44 | bluelightning | mithro: I'm sitting here being lazy :) |
| 10:37.51 | Bernardo | bluelightning: do you have gpsd installed? |
| 10:38.03 | bluelightning | Bernardo: I could install it :) |
| 10:38.32 | Bernardo | You need to link /dev/ttyS03 (if your gps card shows up as ttyS03) to /dev/gps, install gpsd, and replace it's init.d script with the changed |
| 10:38.40 | Bernardo | changes I made |
| 10:38.41 | XorA | RP: just confused me as my mplayer script changes the clock, suddenly mplayer was going slow |
| 10:38.55 | bluelightning | Bernardo: ok, I'll just build gpsd in OE and then install it, won't take long |
| 10:39.41 | Bernardo | ok, then I need your email address, as I'm using cgi::irc, which doesn't have dcc |
| 10:39.49 | bluelightning | I'd very much like to see gpsd & qpe-gps working together... they used to work |
| 10:39.54 | bluelightning | paule@handhelds.org |
| 10:40.35 | Bernardo | I hacked it once when qpegps had its own gpsd |
| 10:40.47 | Bernardo | and I managed a patch for the "regular" gpsd |
| 10:41.00 | bluelightning | yeah, I think I used the latter, with gpsd 2.1 |
| 10:41.05 | bluelightning | but after that it broke |
| 10:41.08 | Bernardo | don't know if it is the one they ended up using, if qpegps got changed on the meantime |
| 10:41.18 | Bernardo | the latest gpsd I used was 2.4, I think |
| 10:41.31 | RP | XorA: I wanted to change that before it gets exposed to too many users. The interface should be fixed now |
| 10:43.41 | greg72 | hrw|work: http://pastebin.ca/7934 says something strange - as if cvs were called without arguments I've use bitbake -D but unfortunately it does not write the sent command |
| 10:44.08 | bluelightning | Bernardo: ok, ready... |
| 10:44.40 | Bernardo | bluelightning: the email is on the way... |
| 10:44.41 | hrw|work | greg72: look into bitbake.conf for original FETCHCOMMAND/UPDATECOMMAND - they probably have some parameters added |
| 10:45.13 | bluelightning | Bernardo: got it, copying file now |
| 10:46.33 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: got a working gpsd 2.15, would like to see your init script |
| 10:46.54 | Bernardo | 2.15? |
| 10:47.58 | bluelightning | Bernardo: seems to work just fine :) |
| 10:48.05 | XorA | RP: is there any reason its not always on "fast" |
| 10:48.35 | Bernardo | bluelightning: if you telnet to gpsd, does it obey commands? Or are you using qpegps? |
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| 10:49.16 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: yes ? has been released 2005-03-02 |
| 10:49.45 | bluelightning | Bernardo: I was just using "nc localhost 2947" and it was responding, tried changing to raw mode and it started sending back NMEA stuff |
| 10:50.14 | bluelightning | maybe I should try building qpe-gps and test that too |
| 10:51.09 | RP | XorA: Power consumption and the fact we don't know why Sharp didn't do this in the first place.... |
| 10:51.41 | XorA | RP: ah ok |
| 10:51.48 | stephan-01 | oh, I see gpsd 2.17 has been released, I'll try if that works too |
| 10:52.00 | bluelightning | hmm, the bb is broked... |
| 10:52.03 | XorA | RP: although its broken under cacko rom |
| 10:52.29 | RP | XorA: Broken in what way? |
| 10:52.44 | Bernardo | stephan-01: if that builds with oe, maybe we can conjugate it with my changed init script, and put a new version in oe |
| 10:53.03 | XorA | RP: in cacko in "fast" mode I get screen that has ghosts all over it |
| 10:53.36 | greg72 | hrw|work: yes, they had a lot of additional parameters. Now it works, dzekuiem |
| 10:53.48 | RP | XorA: That doesn't sound healthy :-/. I wonder what they broke to do that... |
| 10:53.59 | RP | I've never looked at the cacko source code... |
| 10:54.06 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: I'll give it a try, but has to wait a few hours, do you stay here or should I contact you via email later ? |
| 10:55.23 | XorA | RP: apparently it only happens on some C860's mine being one, but Sharp and OZ both work fine for me |
| 10:56.23 | hrw|work | greg72: thx - and it's 'dziêkujê' (or 'dziekuje' without national characters) |
| 10:57.22 | Bernardo | stephan-01: I'll try to stay here, but I don't have write access to bk, so you'd better contact mickeyl probably. |
| 10:58.06 | hrw|work | Bernardo: or you both contact with self and final send to oe ML |
| 10:58.31 | hrw|work | Bernardo: anyway you are the man who should get write access imho |
| 10:58.57 | Bernardo | :) |
| 10:59.35 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I've said it before, I won't be using it much - I don 't have that much free time in front of a linux machine, only some time here at work using ms crap... |
| 11:00.26 | Cwiiis | Does anyone know a good free online calendar that I can access via webcal: with evolution? I don't want to lose all my calendar/todo tasks again :p |
| 11:00.29 | hrw|work | Bernardo: I know |
| 11:00.30 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: can you send me your init script so I can integrate it into my bb file ? if it work I can send the whol thing to you so you can give it to the one responsible to integrate it in oe as I'm not familiar with the oe development structure |
| 11:01.07 | Bernardo | stephan-01: sure, I only need a email, pm me with your address |
| 11:01.31 | mallum | Cwiiis: backup with multisync ... |
| 11:01.51 | hrw|work | stephan-01: basically its simple: you work on recipes, send them to OE ML when they are done (or you want help). you can get some help here or there, after some good patches you got write access |
| 11:02.25 | Cwiiis | mallum: I'd also like to use my calendar from evolution elsewhere, if possible :) Multisync is an option, but an online store that I can use from any location would be nicer... |
| 11:02.40 | mallum | Cwiiis: I sync it to my phone |
| 11:02.46 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: imap for mail, ldap for other things - get good hosting? |
| 11:02.49 | RP | XorA: That sounds very strange, esp given 2.6 works on your 860. I'd be interested to see their hacked w100fb driver... |
| 11:02.58 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: thx |
| 11:03.21 | bluelightning | Bernardo: qpegps will still not talk to gpsd... :( |
| 11:03.26 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: got address ? |
| 11:03.36 | bluelightning | it was worth a try I suppose |
| 11:04.29 | Bernardo | bluelightning: the latest one, updated yesterday on oe? |
| 11:04.45 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: ldap can be used for anything but address books? |
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| 11:05.33 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: I heard that somewhere.. |
| 11:06.07 | bluelightning | Bernardo: erm, actually I just realised I haven't done bk pull today |
| 11:06.40 | bluelightning | but I do recall it bringing in a new version yesterday yes |
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| 11:09.47 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3145 10openembedded/packages/qpf-fonts/ (qpf-gentiumalt_1.01.bb qpf-gentium_1.01.bb): add qpf-gentium, a free font with lots of characters. thanks hrw for converting. |
| 11:10.54 | greg72 | hrw|work: what is .machine support? |
| 11:10.56 | Bernardo | bluelightning: can you launch qpegps from a console, and check what is going wrong when it tries to talk to gpsd? |
| 11:11.03 | bluelightning | Bernardo: ok |
| 11:11.08 | Bernardo | maybe it only needs to be updated to 2.15, as gpsd has had quite a few changes |
| 11:11.09 | hrw|work | greg72: ? |
| 11:11.16 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: specifying the 0.0cvsTIMESTAMP did id, thx |
| 11:11.54 | hrw|work | stephan-01: no problem - you can put it in OE doc in wiki :) |
| 11:12.21 | bluelightning | Bernardo: doesn't display any errors on the console |
| 11:12.23 | mickeyl | should I bump gpsd to 2.17 ? |
| 11:12.33 | greg72 | hrw|work: http://pastebin.ca/7935 complains about wrong binutils version |
| 11:12.46 | Bernardo | mickeyl: it seems stephan-01 is building it now |
| 11:12.47 | bluelightning | Bernardo: the weird thing is that it says gpsd: OK in qpegps, but it just doesn't display any data/position |
| 11:13.00 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: I'll do afer lunch ;o) |
| 11:13.08 | Bernardo | bluelightning: that might be ok, then. It needs to acquire a fix |
| 11:13.39 | bluelightning | Bernardo: no, I waited for that... my GPS card has a LED on it that flashes when a fix has been obtained, and qpegps was still not displaying anything |
| 11:13.39 | Bernardo | qpegps will only show data when it has enough satelites |
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| 11:14.06 | hrw|work | greg72: you have to check which binutils have altivec or fix config of binutils in OE |
| 11:14.25 | stephan-01 | bye folks, I be back in a hour |
| 11:14.27 | mickeyl | and best check that with our resident toolchain experts |
| 11:14.32 | mickeyl | pb_, kergoth, gb2 |
| 11:14.44 | Bernardo | bbl |
| 11:14.51 | bluelightning | Bernardo: it used to display info at the bottom of the GPS page when it received anything at all (signal strength from each satellite or something like that) |
| 11:14.58 | bluelightning | probably still does when it's working |
| 11:16.31 | RP | mickeyl: I've been doing some optimisation of arm software for a variety of reasons and noticed that we don't use tune-xscale.conf by default for the pxa Zaruii. I understand why but you do get significant gains by using it for compiling glibc in the base image due to the optimised memcpy. Is it possible to make oe use it for the rootfs image only? |
| 11:17.02 | Bernardo|away | have to run now, I'll be back in 1-2hours |
| 11:19.04 | mickeyl | RP: yes, we could do that. perhaps even automatic, but for now manually should work enough. i reckon there's no problem in mixing optimized and non-optimized stuff? |
| 11:19.50 | RP | The v5 optimized code won't run on a v4 machine but v4 will run on v5 |
| 11:20.21 | RP | That's why you'd only want to optimized the rootfs builds and not the packages unless you wanted to distribute two versions |
| 11:20.34 | mickeyl | yea |
| 11:20.49 | mickeyl | i try to remember that for the 3.5.3 builds |
| 11:20.53 | RP | Its probably something to keep in mine when building the oz releases :) |
| 11:20.57 | RP | snap :) |
| 11:21.00 | mickeyl | does it make a size difference ? |
| 11:21.14 | RP | not really |
| 11:21.53 | RP | The v5 processors can do things like preloading. preload support is used by glibc, xserver etc. |
| 11:22.07 | mickeyl | sounds good |
| 11:22.12 | RP | (that's processor cache preloading) |
| 11:22.22 | mickeyl | and after 3.5.3 i want to (again) tackle uclibc |
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| 11:22.52 | RP | The optimised memcpy is glibc specific so you'd probably loose that :) |
| 11:22.58 | RP | but yes, I know what you mean :) |
| 11:23.15 | mickeyl | we can always alert andersee to include that |
| 11:23.54 | RP | It may be worth setting the c7x0 machine type to use tune-xscale.conf and just compile the machine independent feeds using a machine with tune-strongarm.conf.... |
| 11:24.21 | RP | It'd be a worthwhile inclusion |
| 11:24.22 | mickeyl | oh yes, that'd be even better |
| 11:24.49 | mickeyl | i'm doing that change now and adding a comment |
| 11:25.32 | RP | mickeyl: I'm very happy to see that change being made :) |
| 11:25.52 | RP | You'll need to move the include from zaurus-clamshells into c7x0.conf |
| 11:26.33 | mickeyl | why ? |
| 11:26.58 | mickeyl | zaurus-clamshell.conf is getting included by c7x0 |
| 11:28.00 | RP | Are all zaurus-clamshell's v5 machines. I guess they are so yes, that's fine :) |
| 11:28.07 | mickeyl | k |
| 11:28.23 | RP | I was thinking there was a v4 clamshell but I can't think of one... |
| 11:29.20 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3148 10openembedded/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: added qpf-gentium font to meta-opie |
| 11:29.40 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3147 10openembedded/packages/qpf-fonts/ (4 files): |
| 11:29.40 | CIA-8 | updated qpf-dejavufonts to 1.8 |
| 11:29.40 | CIA-8 | added all rotations |
| 11:29.56 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3146 10openembedded/packages/qpf-fonts/ (qpf-hunkyserif_0.3.0.bb qpf-hunkysans_0.3.0.bb): added all rotations to qpf-hunkyfonts |
| 11:30.13 | hrw|work | tosa, spitz, sl1000 and h3900 are pxa also... |
| 11:30.15 | mickeyl | RP: no. the only v4 model is the 5500 |
| 11:30.19 | mickeyl | and the 5000 |
| 11:30.22 | mickeyl | everything else is v5 |
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| 11:30.23 | mickeyl | even the a300 |
| 11:30.48 | RP | This move makes a lot of sense then :) |
| 11:30.52 | mickeyl | yep |
| 11:31.01 | hrw|work | btw... a300, b500 (poodle), c700 (corgi)... but what is a name for a300? |
| 11:31.12 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3145.1.1 10openembedded/conf/machine/ (poodle.conf zaurus-clamshell.conf tosa.conf): |
| 11:31.12 | CIA-8 | include tune-xscale in the pxa machines. root file systems can be built with all |
| 11:31.12 | CIA-8 | optimizations since they are machine specific anyway. the unified feed though |
| 11:31.12 | CIA-8 | needs to be built using a tune-strongarm based machine configuration |
| 11:31.13 | hrw|work | and when will be d900 ;) |
| 11:31.15 | mickeyl | hrw|work: discovery |
| 11:32.29 | XorA_ | RP: cool, Ive been running my machine with tune-xscale for ages now |
| 11:33.19 | RP | XorA: I keep trying to remember to. This change will help my memory :) |
| 11:33.40 | XorA | RP: I stuck a patch command in my update script :-) I am lazy and forgetful |
| 11:35.47 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 11:35.59 | mickeyl | should we include some more stuff into the c7x0 default image? |
| 11:36.00 | mickeyl | if so, what? |
| 11:36.08 | mickeyl | we have about 10mb left or so |
| 11:36.20 | XorA | mickeyl: more timezones? |
| 11:36.27 | mickeyl | good point |
| 11:36.28 | hrw|work | opie-mail? openssh-sftp? full timezones? |
| 11:36.41 | hrw|work | shisensho? |
| 11:36.41 | XorA | hrw|work: yup those three |
| 11:36.58 | hrw|work | larger fonts |
| 11:37.01 | CoreDump|home | what about the "real" openssh? |
| 11:37.14 | RP | timezones? :-/ |
| 11:37.24 | mickeyl | that's complicated since I don't want to alter the bootstrap stuff before 3.5.3 |
| 11:37.31 | mickeyl | (real openssh) |
| 11:37.35 | CoreDump|home | i c |
| 11:37.58 | mickeyl | any more apps ? |
| 11:38.23 | XorA | opie-reader |
| 11:38.42 | mickeyl | qpdf2 ? |
| 11:38.53 | XorA | mickeyl: yes if there is room |
| 11:39.07 | XorA | mickeyl: and opie-eye or tximage |
| 11:39.09 | mickeyl | games ? |
| 11:39.12 | RP | a couple of games maybe? |
| 11:39.16 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:39.20 | mickeyl | which ones? |
| 11:39.23 | RP | :) |
| 11:39.23 | mickeyl | froot? |
| 11:39.28 | hrw|work | opie-eye first need FIXING |
| 11:39.32 | CoreDump|home | froots rocks :) |
| 11:39.35 | hrw|work | froot is too addictive |
| 11:39.42 | XorA | hrw|work: whats wrong with opie-eye? |
| 11:39.42 | hrw|work | I cannot have it on my collie |
| 11:39.46 | bluelightning | I prefer frozen-bubble myself |
| 11:39.52 | hrw|work | XorA: "unable to locate opie-eye" |
| 11:39.55 | CoreDump|home | bluelightning: dito |
| 11:39.59 | bluelightning | but it requires sdl-perl unfortunately |
| 11:40.10 | bluelightning | (sdl-perl... what a monstrosity... heh) |
| 11:40.13 | hrw|work | bluelightning: and thats why I had froot |
| 11:40.34 | RP | Its been that long since my Z has been functional, I can't remember what applications I install. That's sad :-/ |
| 11:42.03 | hrw|work | I dont remember when I flash last time.. |
| 11:42.37 | mickeyl | any idea who still ships sl6000 expansion jackets ? |
| 11:43.03 | bluelightning | ebay? :) |
| 11:43.18 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:44.39 | hrw|work | clamshells, tosa... collie rules |
| 11:44.56 | hrw|work | especially with suxx power ;) |
| 11:45.31 | bluelightning | suxx power? :) |
| 11:45.45 | bluelightning | does it have a built-in vacuum cleaner as well? :) |
| 11:45.55 | hrw|work | bluelightning: sometimes I hate my collie more then any other pda which I had |
| 11:47.16 | hrw|work | ~lart sharp just because |
| 11:47.18 | bluelightning | hrw|work: I thought Zaurii were supposed to be really good |
| 11:47.37 | hrw|work | bluelightning: post collie models yes |
| 11:47.47 | bluelightning | ~collie |
| 11:47.48 | ibot | somebody said collie was sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 11:47.54 | bluelightning | ah ok |
| 11:48.07 | bluelightning | I could have bought one of those from a friend, perhaps good that I didn't |
| 11:48.37 | hrw|work | bluelightning: when they realised that 16M flash is not enough they took half of ram for storage.. and next models got 64M flash |
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| 12:33.46 | Crofton | How can I list the files in an ipk? |
| 12:35.22 | XorA | fipke files blah |
| 12:35.25 | XorA | ipkg files blah |
| 12:36.21 | Crofton | where does ipk live |
| 12:36.33 | Crofton | got it |
| 12:36.52 | Crofton | find is your friemaybe not |
| 12:37.07 | Crofton | gah python script |
| 12:37.10 | Crofton | tricked me |
| 12:40.04 | bluelightning | night all |
| 12:40.36 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.36 | Crofton | < |
| 12:40.36 | Crofton | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 12:40.36 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.36 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.37 | Crofton | TypeError: argument 1 must be string or read-only character buffer, not instance |
| 12:47.13 | mickey|lunch | ipkgfiles () |
| 12:47.13 | mickey|lunch | { |
| 12:47.13 | mickey|lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.13 | mickey|lunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.13 | mickey|lunch | } |
| 12:47.21 | mickey|lunch | put that into your .bashrc, it's handy |
| 12:48.25 | hrw|work | lunch.. maybe tday pizza will be good choice.. |
| 12:49.15 | XorA | hrw|work: bring me one :-) |
| 12:50.25 | hrw|work | XorA: you pay for delivery? |
| 12:53.43 | XorA | hrw|work: heh heh |
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| 13:00.15 | zecke | hija |
| 13:02.40 | hrw|work | cze¶æ zecke |
| 13:05.16 | mickeyl | bummer this expansion thing is really sold out everywhere |
| 13:07.51 | hrw|work | bad luck |
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| 13:18.54 | mickeyl | is there any multimedia stuff actually working? (for the c7x0 default image) |
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| 13:19.06 | XorA | mickeyl: mplayer |
| 13:19.23 | mickeyl | hmm that console thingy? |
| 13:19.49 | XorA | xmms playes mp3 with truly horrible interface |
| 13:19.58 | XorA | opie-mediaplayer2 worked a couple of weeks ago |
| 13:20.02 | hrw|work | xmms-embedded, opieplayer1 - both worked for me months ago |
| 13:20.24 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:20.37 | mickeyl | ok, i better test all of 'em here |
| 13:20.41 | hrw|work | opie-mp2 is a beast |
| 13:20.49 | RP | mickeyl: Running software on the Z is still a novel idea to me :-/ |
| 13:21.11 | XorA | RP: put opie in the kernel and be like PocketPC :-) |
| 13:21.12 | hrw|work | RP: other then zaurus-updater? |
| 13:21.56 | RP | hrw|work: Other than zaurus-updater and some commandline diagnostic utils :). I'm very friendly with ts_test :) |
| 13:22.44 | hrw|work | I remember when used ts_* on collie to check does tslib works on it... |
| 13:23.16 | hrw|work | when I was running OZ 3.5.1-verybeta with libqte2 from 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 13:23.26 | mickeyl | uh oh |
| 13:23.32 | mickeyl | that was a weired time |
| 13:23.38 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:23.46 | mickeyl | until zecke fixed the touchscreen |
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| 13:24.12 | hrw|work | http://hrw.one.pl/index.php/YearWithZaurus |
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| 13:24.42 | hrw|work | mickeyl: even then - I used libqte2/gcc33 until someone fixed AA |
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| 13:24.54 | mickeyl | iek - the antialiasing bug, right |
| 13:24.57 | schurig | hrw|work: hmm, how do I ask ibot for exchange rates? |
| 13:24.59 | mickeyl | i even forgot about that one |
| 13:25.07 | mickeyl | ibot: change 200 EUR to UKP |
| 13:25.08 | hrw|work | ~change 100 eur to pln |
| 13:25.20 | schurig | ~change 248 USD to EUR |
| 13:25.25 | hrw|work | GBP not UKP |
| 13:25.32 | mickeyl | right |
| 13:25.42 | XorA | we are Great but not very United :-) |
| 13:25.51 | schurig | ~change 238 USD to EUR |
| 13:25.52 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:26.51 | schurig | XorA: only the biggest morons in history got the attribute "great", e.g. both Alexander the Great and Friedrich the Great slauthered thousands of people ... |
| 13:27.06 | XorA | schurig: That sounds like us :-) |
| 13:27.15 | XorA | schurig: have you seen Blair? |
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| 13:30.23 | schurig | XorA: Georg's friend? |
| 13:30.34 | XorA | schurig: thats the one |
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| 13:45.28 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:51.05 | Bernardo | mickeyl: I saw one cf jacket for the 6000 this morning on ebay |
| 13:52.35 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 13:52.36 | mickeyl | there it is |
| 13:52.42 | mickeyl | $259.99 |
| 13:52.55 | Bernardo | I didn't say it was cheap... |
| 13:53.10 | mickeyl | heh, true |
| 13:53.13 | Bernardo | ~M1-P10 |
| 13:53.15 | mickeyl | and shipping only in the us |
| 13:53.23 | Bernardo | didn't see that :( |
| 13:53.30 | Bernardo | what is a M1-P10? |
| 13:53.46 | mickeyl | probably MI-P10 |
| 13:53.56 | mickeyl | one of the older Zaurus models with a different HW design |
| 13:54.32 | Bernardo | I see some of those on ebay from time to time, and I wondered what they weer |
| 13:54.39 | Bernardo | what they were, even |
| 13:54.43 | mickeyl | uninteresting. not compatible with our zaurii |
| 13:54.51 | mickeyl | but looking the same |
| 13:58.18 | XorA | whatever happened to simputer? |
| 13:58.32 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: ping |
| 13:58.56 | Bernardo | XorA: http://www.simputer.org/ |
| 13:59.33 | Bernardo | there is a device out, the amida |
| 13:59.41 | Bernardo | http://amidasimputer.com/specs/ |
| 14:00.12 | Bernardo | the 4200 has somewhat decent specs (for a low end pda) |
| 14:01.25 | Twiun | anyone ever heard of a "TI P2 sample development environment"? |
| 14:02.47 | hrw|work | Twiun: maybe kergoth ;) |
| 14:03.20 | XorA | Amida is far to close to Amiga |
| 14:04.14 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: like to try the gpsd 2.17 ? Got it build but it doesen't seem to provide sane gps data |
| 14:04.41 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: now I try gpsd 2.15 again |
| 14:04.54 | Bernardo | stephan-01: I don't have the gps here |
| 14:05.11 | Bernardo | I'd like to try that later today |
| 14:05.46 | stephan-01 | stephan-01: k, then I'll send you both via email when I think they are finished |
| 14:07.27 | stephan-01 | btw, does anybody knows a mirror for xlibs ? the one at freedesktop.org isn't working any more |
| 14:07.48 | hrw|work | xlibs.freedesktop.org? |
| 14:08.09 | stephan-01 | http://freedesktop.org/~xlibs/release/ is gone |
| 14:08.17 | Twiun | hrw|work: yeah, waiting for him to return |
| 14:11.25 | Bernardo | stephan-01: have you googled for the tarball? |
| 14:12.34 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: for which tarball ? |
| 14:13.32 | greg72 | guys, |
| 14:14.12 | Bernardo | stephan-01: the one you're trying to download for xlibs? |
| 14:14.19 | greg72 | oops, how can I make bitbake to use another version of binutils than the default? |
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| 14:16.07 | stephan-01 | Bernardo: luckily I still have the xlib tarball, downloaded them a few days ago, just liked to know if there are any other mirrors around |
| 14:17.35 | hrw|work | greg72: use PREFERRED_VERSION_binutils="ver" |
| 14:18.01 | greg72 | conf/local.conf, isn't it? |
| 14:18.09 | hrw|work | ofcoz |
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| 14:18.36 | hrw|work | you can also put it into your distro/machine config |
| 14:18.48 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: you were faster ;o) but i added this to the wiki, not sure if "Getting Started" is right for that |
| 14:18.59 | reenoo_ | afternoon |
| 14:19.06 | hrw|work | stephan-01: probably not |
| 14:19.18 | greg72 | hi reenoo_ |
| 14:19.45 | reenoo_ | hi greg72 |
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| 14:20.51 | stephan-01 | hrw|work: hm, but I didn't find a section with more information concerning bitbake |
| 14:21.12 | hrw|work | stephan-01: there is a one with glossary |
| 14:21.26 | XorA | RP: meant to ask, what lirc driver do you think 2.6 should be using, sa1100 or another? |
| 14:22.34 | RP | XorA: I'm not sure. I don't know much about IR. It depends what sa1100 specifics sa1100 has I guess... |
| 14:25.06 | XorA | RP: I think sa1100 worked on 2.4 kernels |
| 14:26.19 | XorA | RP: so if interface didnt change I assume it will be that one, I shall experiemtn tomorrow, I forgot to bring my keybaord |
| 14:26.33 | Bernardo | XorA: I tried on the simpad to get lirc to work some time ago |
| 14:27.05 | RP | XorA: Its still accessed via the com port and uses the standard kernel idra code so it should work... |
| 14:27.19 | Bernardo | I managed to get it to learn sequences from one of my remotes, but never to send |
| 14:29.48 | XorA | Bernardo: I want to use irk |
| 14:32.23 | hrw|work | pizza.. |
| 14:32.36 | hrw|work | XorA: kbdd will be better |
| 14:32.49 | XorA | hrw|work: thats in the future though |
| 14:33.00 | Bernardo | XorA: on what machine? |
| 14:33.07 | XorA | Bernardo: C860 |
| 14:35.49 | gb2 | Dear Sir, |
| 14:35.49 | gb2 | You are listed as the maintainer for the ipkg "gcc-f77" at |
| 14:35.49 | gb2 | <ipkgfind.handhelds.org>. |
| 14:35.50 | gb2 | ... |
| 14:35.53 | gb2 | 1. This does not seem to be "g77", the GNU fortran compiler with which I |
| 14:35.53 | gb2 | am familiar, but I remain unaware of any parallel fortran efforts in the |
| 14:35.53 | gb2 | GNU community. Can you explain? |
| 14:36.34 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:36.52 | chouimat | hi mickeyl |
| 14:37.18 | mickeyl | hi chouimat, how are things |
| 14:37.19 | mickeyl | how's the mac? |
| 14:38.08 | mickeyl | hmm things like http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11482&hl= make me think we should also request some more donations |
| 14:38.12 | mickeyl | s/more// |
| 14:38.36 | chouimat | mickeyl: not bad ... still looking for a job ... and the mac is fun |
| 14:39.30 | hrw|work | mickeyl: very good idea indeed |
| 14:40.13 | mickeyl | we need to buy you a wlan card ;) |
| 14:40.17 | mickeyl | and a clamshell :D |
| 14:41.01 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 14:41.13 | XorA | wish they were more friendly |
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| 14:41.33 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 14:41.48 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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| 14:45.02 | greg72 | Please comment on http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QuestionsAndAnswers Of course, later, as I/we put more Q&A here, one can group them. |
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| 14:46.17 | hrw|work | greg72: sort of developer faq? |
| 14:46.18 | mickeyl | good start |
| 14:46.31 | mickeyl | you might want to add the FAQs from http://www.vanille.de/tools/FOSDEM2005.pdf into that |
| 14:47.21 | hrw|work | look also into http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/DeveloperFaq |
| 14:48.54 | zecke | mickeyl: hehe, we might should close public access to bitbake/openembedded |
| 14:49.04 | zecke | mickeyl: and raise donations to open it again :} |
| 14:49.12 | zecke | This is not meant seriously |
| 14:49.17 | mickeyl | i know |
| 14:49.32 | mickeyl | but seriously, the pdaxrom folks get 500$ donated per month |
| 14:49.39 | mickeyl | and i think we deliver much more than them |
| 14:49.41 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 14:50.14 | zecke | Silence from our team is a good thing |
| 14:50.15 | RP | I think we deliver much more than them as well... |
| 14:50.26 | greg72 | hrw|work: is that page from the old wiki? |
| 14:50.31 | hrw|work | greg72: yes |
| 14:50.31 | zecke | hey we deliver OpenEmbeeded ;) |
| 14:51.13 | mickeyl | but seriously, i will mention something about donations in the ReleaseNotes for 3.5.3 |
| 14:51.14 | prpplague | kergoth`bbl probably needs to look into hitting up a bunch of the corps that use OE for some sort of sponsorship |
| 14:51.16 | mickeyl | and the OOO Newsletter |
| 14:51.25 | mickeyl | yeah that'd be nice |
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| 14:51.46 | prpplague | i can name atleast 6 major players that use OE |
| 14:51.50 | zecke | kergoth`bbl: you should try hard to get a Trademark on OpenEmbedded |
| 14:51.52 | XorA | wish I could use OE for build system here |
| 14:52.27 | cbrake | greg72: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/UsersManual_2fKeyWords contains a lot of information -- maybe you could point them to this page for the explanation. Just trying to avoid duplicate information. |
| 14:56.25 | schurig | greg72: yeah, most often it's better to amend existing pages than to create a new one |
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| 14:57.23 | greg72 | schurig: you're right, but what about the old wiki developer faq? Wouldn't it be better to copy the relevant info to the new one? |
| 14:57.54 | greg72 | and one question: how can I write a wiki link that points to a section of a Wiki page? |
| 14:58.15 | greg72 | one solution is to use a URL but that is not a wiki link |
| 14:59.52 | stephan-01 | simply name the section you want to link to |
| 15:00.39 | greg72 | MyPage/Section? |
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| 15:04.23 | stephan-01 | Only Section should work |
| 15:05.07 | stephan-01 | in [" "] |
| 15:06.39 | hrw|work | greg72: old wiki content should be moved into new one if it is worth. if it is obsolete then it should be removed. look for GettingStarted in old wiki |
| 15:09.32 | stephan-01 | grep72: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/HelpOnLinking |
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| 15:12.10 | Cwiiis | "ERROR-BAD CMD: push_part1 is disabled for this bkd using -x" - Anyone come across that before? |
| 15:12.17 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:12.24 | mickeyl | when i hadn't set the parent right |
| 15:13.10 | Cwiiis | "bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded" - That not the right parent? |
| 15:13.15 | mickeyl | mp |
| 15:13.17 | mickeyl | no, even |
| 15:13.23 | Cwiiis | oh.. |
| 15:13.27 | hrw|work | Parent repository is bk://oe-devel@oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded/ |
| 15:13.28 | mickeyl | anon checkouts from oe-devel are forbidden |
| 15:13.41 | Cwiiis | right, of course |
| 15:13.43 | Cwiiis | thanks |
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| 15:17.44 | greg72 | stephan-01: I could not find an answer to the question: is it possible to link to a == Section ==? |
| 15:17.59 | koen | greg72: create an anchor |
| 15:18.07 | greg72 | ? |
| 15:18.53 | greg72 | I know of creating an anchor only when creating a new page by writing a new page name |
| 15:19.05 | koen | [[Anchor(beforestarting)]] |
| 15:19.13 | greg72 | thx |
| 15:19.19 | koen | with the link: [#beforestarting Before starting] |
| 15:19.52 | koen | moin also supports [[TableOfContents()]] |
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| 15:24.29 | greg72 | it worked with in-page link but not with cross-page. |
| 15:24.31 | mickeyl | good morning phil |
| 15:25.23 | koen | mickeyl: small qte question: |
| 15:25.54 | koen | when adding machine specific patches, shouldn't it set arch to MACHINE_ARCH? |
| 15:26.22 | hrw|work | koen: should |
| 15:26.42 | mickeyl | yes, the fetcher automatically should do that |
| 15:26.52 | koen | /build/tmp/familiar/work/arm-linux/qte-2.3.10-r8/qt-2.3.10 |
| 15:26.58 | koen | looks like it doesn't |
| 15:27.26 | koen | in a multimachine build run it will get built for the first machine only with ARCH=arm |
| 15:27.43 | koen | so any machine specific patches will get ignored after that |
| 15:28.27 | mickeyl | that's wrong anyway, even if we don't apply machine specific patches, we use machine specific flags. |
| 15:28.34 | hrw|work | libqte2_2.3.10-r8_arm.ipk |
| 15:28.35 | mickeyl | so we really should set it manually |
| 15:28.54 | mickeyl | but it indicates a problem |
| 15:29.19 | hrw|work | which is? |
| 15:29.46 | mickeyl | ah no# |
| 15:29.55 | mickeyl | we don't use overrides in the filepath at all |
| 15:29.59 | mickeyl | so fetcher is not malfunctioning |
| 15:30.10 | mickeyl | it's just the manual setting that's missing |
| 15:32.31 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3149.1.1 10openembedded/packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb: libqte2: set package arch to machine arch since we supply machine specific patches and flags |
| 15:37.56 | greg72 | I've made links via urls. Maybe not elegant, but works. http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QuestionsAndAnswers |
| 15:46.47 | Bernardo | anyone interested in a socket cf bluetooth card |
| 15:47.29 | Bernardo | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69928&item=5176474777&rd=1 |
| 15:48.03 | Bernardo | there's a guy in the oesf forums willing to send those to people outside of uk |
| 15:48.15 | Bernardo | 12 UKP shipping |
| 15:49.01 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 15:50.14 | Ken|JLime | lol |
| 15:50.35 | hrw|work | ~change 10 gbp to pln |
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| 15:53.16 | koen | heh |
| 15:54.01 | koen | then I realized I don't want to build it 8 times.... |
| 15:55.33 | RP | koen: Those optimisations are worth it for glibc as it has some v5 speedups... |
| 15:55.46 | hrw|work | Bernardo: nice price... |
| 15:57.13 | hrw|work | someone know where I can look for post price from .uk to .pl? |
| 15:57.17 | koen | I guess most users don't use multimache builds |
| 15:57.58 | schurig | hrw|work: walk |
| 15:58.00 | zecke | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3791975514.html <- wtf? |
| 15:58.09 | zecke | www.oesf.org is the openembedded forum? |
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| 15:58.30 | hrw|work | zecke: fscking similiar names |
| 16:01.37 | Bernardo | hrw|work: should be similar to the one to portugal, the guy even offered to repackage the cards so they'll pay less postage |
| 16:02.00 | hrw|work | Bernardo: and how much it was to portugal? |
| 16:02.03 | Bernardo | zecke: seen that one before |
| 16:02.10 | Bernardo | hrw|work: don't know yet |
| 16:02.30 | XorA | hrw|work: www.postoffice.co.uk |
| 16:02.48 | hrw|work | XorA: thx |
| 16:03.03 | Bernardo | zecke: seems too much work to cripple a pda |
| 16:03.51 | zecke | Bernardo: hey it might be 10mb flash for each app but it can run on PPC as well :] |
| 16:04.07 | Bernardo | :) |
| 16:04.17 | Bernardo | I just like the myInk idea |
| 16:05.12 | Bernardo | stephan-01: got your email, thanks |
| 16:05.23 | Bernardo | btw, what is kernel aodv? |
| 16:05.37 | koen | a routing protocol |
| 16:05.54 | koen | something those funky wifi/mesh hippies use |
| 16:06.02 | Bernardo | :D |
| 16:06.27 | koen | that's what I was told :) |
| 16:07.05 | XorA | wifi mesh is interesting, but you need a lot of memebers to make it worthwhile |
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| 16:07.24 | XorA | would save a fortune on GPRS if done right |
| 16:07.45 | koen | or buy a gazillion meshcubes + carbatteries + powerinverters yourself |
| 16:08.00 | hrw|work | XorA: can you connect to postoffice.co.uk? for me it return 0 bytes page |
| 16:08.03 | XorA | koen: then the Chavs would nick them |
| 16:08.11 | Bernardo | hrw|work: for me it fails too |
| 16:08.22 | stephan-01 | would be nice to know if anybody else can run kernel aodv |
| 16:08.23 | XorA | hrw|work: like normal its fscked :-( |
| 16:08.33 | hrw|work | anyway I PM-ed |
| 16:09.06 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I got his email, if you want to get in touch with him faster |
| 16:09.31 | hrw|work | Bernardo: I dont have net at home so will be here to ~19 |
| 16:09.58 | koen | hrw|work: 9 days left till it gets connected? |
| 16:10.31 | hrw|work | koen: I wait to april to know new promotion |
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| 16:13.52 | emte | wtf is a chav? |
| 16:15.54 | Bernardo | emte: some quaint british national - check on www.theregister.co.uk, they had a feature on chavs a couple of weeks ago |
| 16:16.09 | mallum | emte: http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ |
| 16:16.20 | XorA | emte: they drink alcohol not much better than meths, drive cheap cars, beat their women up |
| 16:16.52 | emte | lol |
| 16:17.05 | Bernardo | typical brits on holliday - at least those that can be found in algarve during summer... |
| 16:17.26 | XorA | Bernardo: I think about 75% of our population is Chav these days |
| 16:17.54 | XorA | even our TV is presented by Chavs :-( |
| 16:19.08 | mallum | companies even use chavs in adverts to sell there products ( HP sauce ) |
| 16:20.31 | XorA | mallum: too true :-( |
| 16:20.56 | schurig | chavs develop zaurii |
| 16:21.30 | Bernardo | schurig: I don't know, but probably trolltech.au is staffed with bogans... |
| 16:22.57 | XorA | Chavs cant develop, they cant spell or even write normally :-D |
| 16:23.19 | zecke | Bernardo: no I'm confident that all trolltech.au employees are nice guys |
| 16:23.36 | mallum | but they can drink and fight |
| 16:23.36 | zecke | Bernardo: just putting them all in one office with their customers... make them... |
| 16:25.53 | schurig | mallum: Germans are chavs too, when they're at Mallorca or visiting soccer games |
| 16:26.45 | Bernardo | zecke: didn't understand (english isn't my first language), make them what? |
| 16:41.16 | prpplague | is the oe metadata browsable somewhere? |
| 16:43.18 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.29 | hrw|work | prpplague: openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 16:44.43 | prpplague | thanks |
| 16:44.49 | hrw|work | np |
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| 16:52.31 | prpplague | hrw|work: is there no way to dl a copy of a file from the browseable bkbits? |
| 16:54.48 | ggilbert | prpplague: nope |
| 16:56.07 | prpplague | that bites |
| 16:57.14 | reenoo_ | with a little scripting you could probably extract the data though |
| 16:57.40 | prpplague | reenoo_: already done |
| 17:02.50 | hrw|work | fsck |
| 17:04.02 | reenoo_ | prpplague: heh. that was quick :) |
| 17:08.25 | RP | A decent text editor in column editing mode usually works :) |
| 17:09.03 | hrw|work | fscking php |
| 17:10.46 | greg72 | I've got some response on binutils mailing list concerning that glibc does not like my binutils not handling .machine "altivec". One guy suggested that glibc configure might be using the wrong assembler. How can I check this? I used -D but it was not revealed which 'as' was used. |
| 17:11.55 | hrw|work | greg72: look into tmp/work/glibc*/temp/ |
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| 17:12.35 | gremlin[it] | good evenning ... |
| 17:17.25 | greg72 | + export AS=powerpc-linux-as |
| 17:17.25 | greg72 | + AS=powerpc-linux-as |
| 17:17.25 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.25 | greg72 | checking version of as... 2.15, ok |
| 17:17.25 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.35 | gremlin[it] | mhh trekke is ok now ??? |
| 17:19.42 | prpplague | argh, sqlite is a beoych to cross compile |
| 17:19.54 | gremlin[it] | treke.net |
| 17:20.50 | gremlin[it] | Connecting to treke.net[192.216.230.225]:80... connected. |
| 17:20.50 | gremlin[it] | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 17:29.19 | micropal | is there a mirror for http://treke.net/oe/snapshots/ ? |
| 17:30.20 | koen | other than bkbits.net? |
| 17:30.57 | koen | or http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/oe/ ? |
| 17:31.01 | micropal | I usually just download a tarfile |
| 17:31.15 | Bernardo | stupid question - does the new sd/mmc driver in kernel 2.6 use sd mode or mmc mode to access memory cards? |
| 17:31.17 | micropal | thanks :) |
| 17:35.11 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.14 | [g2] | anybody know how to fix this ? |
| 17:35.17 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.17 | [g2] | Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 17:35.17 | [g2] | FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
| 17:35.31 | [g2] | I'm running 2.6.11.2 on the Xscale |
| 17:35.36 | koen | install the codepage? |
| 17:36.06 | [g2] | koen, I would be happy to if I knew what it was or where to find it :) |
| 17:36.17 | koen | it's supposed to be a kernel module |
| 17:36.44 | gremlin[it] | koen, a fast question, u know if someone is working on support kernel 1.6 on ipaq h3600 ??? |
| 17:37.00 | hrw|work | 1.6? can be hard... |
| 17:37.08 | koen | yes, dave neuer is planning on that (2.6 that is) |
| 17:37.38 | gremlin[it] | grrr how to change 'treke.net' as default donload site :( |
| 17:38.09 | koen | gremlin[it]: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2005-March/027563.html |
| 17:38.40 | gremlin[it] | koen, ohhh damn i'm late ..i ask Hicks Jamey for that :( ... |
| 17:39.47 | [g2] | koen, THX that helps a lot ! |
| 17:40.25 | gremlin[it] | koen ... i just fast read the article ... but it talk about add atmel on ipaq or i misunderstood ? |
| 17:40.53 | koen | gremlin[it]: yes, the atmel controls most of the ipaq (iirc) |
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| 17:42.13 | gremlin[it] | yes i read better ... |
| 17:44.09 | [g2] | pb_ ping |
| 17:44.38 | gremlin[it] | ok .. i'll ask if he need help :) |
| 17:47.08 | gremlin[it] | have to go .. byeee |
| 17:47.12 | gremlin[it] | see u later maybe |
| 17:48.07 | hrw|work | I hate debugging large php classes... |
| 17:48.32 | pb_ | [g2]: yo |
| 17:48.53 | [g2] | hey dude |
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| 18:18.30 | Cwiiis | Does oe/bb take less or more ram without psyco? I can never remember, but I'd guess less |
| 18:19.06 | treke | more |
| 18:19.37 | Cwiiis | that'd explain a few things then. (new system, forgot to install psyco before this build started, my computer is very bogged down packaging glibc :p) |
| 18:19.52 | Cwiiis | new install that is, same system |
| 18:20.08 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.11 | treke | less without it |
| 18:20.13 | Cwiiis | oh |
| 18:20.22 | Cwiiis | In which case, my computer just sucks |
| 18:20.48 | treke | hehe |
| 18:20.56 | Cwiiis | also, firefox is a lot slower than epiphany it seems... I hope people hurry up with gtkhtml :) |
| 18:21.17 | kergoth | slower in what way? |
| 18:21.18 | treke | gtkhtml wouldnt help there :) |
| 18:21.27 | treke | they use the same renderer :) |
| 18:21.38 | kergoth | note: del.icio.us is really nifty. never messed with it much until now |
| 18:21.44 | treke | xul is just a bit slower than gtk |
| 18:21.52 | Cwiiis | kergoth: It just seems that I can't at all use firefox while glibc is packaging because it doesn't respond fast enough, where as on my old install, epiphany was fine(ish) |
| 18:23.50 | kergoth | ah |
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| 18:28.43 | mallum | kergoth: del.icio.us/mallum :) |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth | mallum: heh, nice :) |
| 18:33.52 | mallum | aha /kergoth too :D |
| 18:34.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:34.06 | kergoth | getting there |
| 18:34.12 | kergoth | i lost my bookmarks again like a month ago |
| 18:34.14 | kergoth | :\ |
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| 19:18.16 | dravine | hello folks |
| 19:19.12 | dravine | anyone had problems getting OE to come back after a suspend? |
| 19:19.25 | kergoth | this is not a distribution support channel |
| 19:20.10 | dravine | apmd isn't distro specific is it? |
| 19:20.47 | kergoth | suspend/resume is highly distro and device specific. |
| 19:21.01 | dravine | I see. |
| 19:21.09 | dravine | well, I guess I'm hosed then |
| 19:21.12 | kergoth | regardless, this channel is for help with oe, not the distros or packages oe builds. |
| 19:21.17 | kergoth | why? |
| 19:21.35 | dravine | because the openzaurus stuff gets updated very infrequently |
| 19:21.45 | kergoth | hm? |
| 19:21.52 | kergoth | the openzaurus users mailing list is quite active. |
| 19:22.08 | kergoth | #openzaurus is usually pretty quiet, but that isnt the only support mechanism for the distro |
| 19:22.11 | dravine | yeah, but the users mailing list doesn't have much to do with unstable packages |
| 19:22.27 | kergoth | so this happens with current oe, but _not_ with 3.5.2? |
| 19:22.59 | dravine | it happens with 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 |
| 19:23.08 | dravine | but not the old "stable" 3.2 |
| 19:23.13 | kergoth | then what do unstable packages have to do with anything? |
| 19:23.16 | dravine | which is no longer available. |
| 19:23.20 | kergoth | nobody uses 3.2 anymore. the users list is all 3.5.x |
| 19:23.34 | dravine | because the packages in 3.5.2 are rather broken. |
| 19:24.10 | kergoth | if your problem happens in 3.5.x as well as unstable, then saying they dont about unstable is nonsense, since they'd be having the exact same problems |
| 19:24.21 | kergoth | try being rational. it helps. use the list. |
| 19:25.08 | dravine | 3.5.x is the unstable branch right? |
| 19:25.20 | treke | ye |
| 19:25.21 | treke | yes |
| 19:25.31 | kergoth | and 3.5.x is what the lists cover. |
| 19:25.37 | kergoth | 3.2 is not supported. period |
| 19:25.42 | dravine | it doesn't happen in 3.2 |
| 19:25.47 | dravine | everything works in that, I'm sorry |
| 19:25.51 | kergoth | and.. we care? |
| 19:25.52 | dravine | perhaps I wasn't clear on that. |
| 19:25.57 | kergoth | 3.2 is irrelevent |
| 19:26.02 | kergoth | 3.5.x is -not based on 3.2- |
| 19:26.05 | kergoth | it was built from scratch. |
| 19:26.06 | kergoth | from the ground up |
| 19:26.10 | kergoth | any previous bug reports are irrelevent |
| 19:26.13 | treke | 3.2 doesnt exist as far as we are concerned |
| 19:26.37 | dravine | ok |
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| 19:29.20 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: in other news, have you ever considered hacking bb/oe to rebuild certain dependancies if a parent is rebuilt? |
| 19:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: like modules that depend on the kernel? |
| 19:30.56 | Cwiiis | hrw|gone: When you get back, you told me to ask you about serial cables after the 20th? :) |
| 19:31.00 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: thought about long long ago. our syntax doesnt really have a way of expressing that sort of dependency atm |
| 19:31.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:31.30 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I figure it would be difficult - the tree would have to go both ways then |
| 19:32.14 | treke | as a hack, you could possibly include the kernel version in the PV for the modules |
| 19:32.43 | treke | I'd think that would cause a rebuild if the kernel updated |
| 19:32.44 | kergoth | PV and PR probably |
| 19:32.48 | kergoth | but yeah, that might work |
| 19:32.53 | kergoth | ugly though |
| 19:32.57 | treke | yeah |
| 19:33.12 | treke | not gonna deny that :) |
| 19:33.34 | kergoth | i'm trying to figure out where this second smoke detector came from |
| 19:34.13 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - wtf |
| 19:34.22 | RP | kergoth: Did you manage any bitbake-ng hacking over the weekend? |
| 19:34.48 | kergoth | RP: i managed lots of neverwinter nights and half life 2 and medal of honor |
| 19:34.49 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 19:35.07 | RP | kergoth: Fair enough :) |
| 19:35.08 | kergoth | no worries, now that i'm unemployed, its not like i'll be short on time |
| 19:35.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:35.23 | treke | when is your last day? |
| 19:35.27 | kergoth | friday |
| 19:35.32 | kergoth | i didnt go in yesterday |
| 19:35.35 | kergoth | didnt finish the doc |
| 19:35.37 | kergoth | so just didnt go in |
| 19:35.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:35.43 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh, now I see |
| 19:35.52 | RP | kergoth: Once there's something I can hack on, I will |
| 19:35.55 | CosmicPenguin | stupid modutils |
| 19:35.56 | treke | kergoth: ouch |
| 19:35.57 | *** part/#oe dravine (~raleigh@web.upnorth.net) |
| 19:35.58 | kergoth | which isnt good, but hell, neither is going to a doc review on a doc that isnt done, but which ic laimed was done weeks ago |
| 19:36.32 | treke | your boss must love you |
| 19:36.37 | kergoth | i'm sure |
| 19:36.50 | kergoth | i just cant seem to make myself give a shit |
| 19:36.53 | CosmicPenguin | no references there, I spect |
| 19:36.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | well, he can't exactly fire you, and I doubt you would have gotten much of a reference from him anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter much. |
| 19:37.34 | kergoth | yeah. i mean, i was highly productive for like 3 months when i first started |
| 19:37.36 | kergoth | and thats about it |
| 19:37.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37.54 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:38.13 | kergoth | need to figure out when i'm moving. i have to pay the next 2 months rent no matter what, to finish the lease |
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| 20:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... |
| 20:09.49 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 20:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | I have no idea why module_version just disappeared from all of my modules built outside of the kernle |
| 20:15.56 | CosmicPenguin | kernel even |
| 20:18.58 | CosmicPenguin | strange that description, author and module_param symbols are there, though |
| 20:19.08 | CosmicPenguin | but version and license no existe |
| 20:24.50 | CosmicPenguin | damn, damn damn |
| 20:28.31 | CosmicPenguin | This is pissin' me off |
| 20:29.08 | ljp | oh man. I just got some active noise cancelling headphones... |
| 20:29.19 | ljp | much better |
| 20:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | Its like its optimizing out the frickin' strings |
| 20:37.54 | CP|Laptop | must be a 3.4 thing |
| 20:45.12 | CP|Laptop | Thats exactly it, I think |
| 20:45.30 | CP|Laptop | the 2.4.24 modutils didn't enforce version like this |
| 20:47.09 | pb_ | ljp: heh, cool |
| 20:47.35 | ljp | damn noisy UPS' |
| 20:48.08 | pb_ | time to move your desk away from the heavy machinery, I suppose. |
| 20:48.29 | ljp | cant |
| 20:48.45 | ljp | until we expand.. |
| 20:48.57 | pb_ | aha. |
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| 21:14.18 | gremlin[it] | good evening |
| 21:14.52 | CP|Laptop | evening |
| 21:17.15 | gremlin[it] | seem treke.net no longer have all sources ... how chenge such behafiour ? |
| 21:17.19 | gremlin[it] | behaviour |
| 21:17.50 | CP|Laptop | I believe that treke has experienced a major failure |
| 21:18.24 | gremlin[it] | i know ... |
| 21:18.44 | ljp | hmmm. bummer |
| 21:18.53 | RP | Comment out CVS_SOURCE_STASH or whatever it is in your local.conf |
| 21:20.03 | gremlin[it] | RP already done |
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| 21:36.52 | gremlin[it] | seem also xxx libs have change place |
| 21:37.17 | gremlin[it] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.22 | gremlin[it] | and many others |
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| 22:02.05 | treke | treke.net has all the source |
| 22:02.15 | treke | I've just been to busy to set up apache properly :) |
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| 22:08.35 | CosmicPenguin | likely excuse |
| 22:09.28 | gremlin[it] | perfect treke :) |
| 22:11.57 | fathead | if I hang around in here a while, will I find out what's happened to treke.net ? :) |
| 22:13.32 | CosmicPenguin | Ah-hah |
| 22:13.33 | CosmicPenguin | that was it |
| 22:13.55 | CosmicPenguin | stupid gcc 3.3 - I shall eschew you! |
| 22:15.40 | ljp | treke.net was lost to a group of UFO's that decended on S. cali |
| 22:15.44 | treke | fathead: probably not |
| 22:16.00 | fathead | ok |
| 22:17.05 | pb_ | fathead: that'd be an issue for #trekefanclub |
| 22:17.32 | fathead | ho ho |
| 22:17.43 | mallum | green giant |
| 22:17.44 | koen | does membership include "I love treke.net" t-shirts? |
| 22:17.59 | pb_ | koen: no, you're meant to have one of those already |
| 22:18.12 | koen | damn |
| 22:18.31 | treke | once I finish up these scripts I'm working on I'll get all that junk back online |
| 22:18.43 | treke | this bug is making life difficult for me :) |
| 22:18.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:18.54 | Ken|jlime | :D |
| 22:18.55 | gremlin[it] | mhhh girl t-shirt just say "I love treke" :) |
| 22:19.19 | treke | apparantly if I use the "change" command on this type of phone it gradually introduces database corrupton |
| 22:19.19 | Ken|jlime | "treke.net where did all the packages go" |
| 22:19.25 | spacewalker | btw what's supposed to be on treke.net ? |
| 22:19.37 | pb_ | everything |
| 22:19.37 | treke | there is an archive of source used for oe |
| 22:19.55 | Ken|jlime | is treke.net down atm? |
| 22:20.04 | Ken|jlime | cause im gonna compile in like 2 hours or so |
| 22:20.13 | pb_ | treke.net isn't required for building/ |
| 22:20.23 | pb_ | oe will still work without it, just more slowly. |
| 22:20.25 | Ken|jlime | i know, just takes away some of the bleeding edge |
| 22:20.54 | spacewalker | bleeding edge bugs |
| 22:21.09 | koen | If you really need to build OZ 353 of fam082 you could try using http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/ |
| 22:21.33 | treke | anything in 3.5.3 or 0.8.2 should have a valid upstream source atm anyways |
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| 22:21.49 | treke | it's mostly a matter of older source |
| 22:22.00 | fathead | older source from where? |
| 22:22.34 | fathead | never mind |
| 22:23.09 | gremlin[it] | good night to alllllllll |
| 22:23.23 | koen | 'night gremlin[it] |
| 22:24.02 | gremlin[it] | thx koen |
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| 22:30.54 | CosmicPenguin | whew |
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| 22:46.49 | Ken|jlime | where can i find the binary loadkeys? |
| 22:48.07 | treke | kergoth: were you happy with your dell laptop? |
| 22:51.01 | Cwiiis | Anyone got freetype-2.1.8.tar.bz2 by any chance? |
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| 22:51.32 | Bernardo | hi |
| 22:51.58 | Cwiiis | ah, found it on sourceforge... Why aren't we using the sourceforge mirror anyway? |
| 22:53.06 | pb_ | because the sourceforge mirror wasn't (historically) the primary download site. |
| 22:53.59 | Cwiiis | ah, ok |
| 22:54.01 | Cwiiis | wasn't or isn't? |
| 22:54.55 | pb_ | what I said. wasn't. |
| 22:54.56 | Ken|jlime | i need to change the default keymap, where can i find the program loadkeys? |
| 22:55.28 | pb_ | it does seem that the freetype people are planning to make sourceforge their primary site for the future. |
| 22:56.26 | Cwiiis | pb_: Shall I change that now then? Especially as the ftp's down at the moment |
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| 22:56.57 | pb_ | yeah, go ahead |
| 22:57.19 | Cwiiis | cool, will do |
| 23:04.50 | Bernardo | mickeyl: you're here? |
| 23:05.48 | Bernardo | I'm building the gpsd package that stephen built, since he sent me the .bb. It seems that 2.17 gave him bad values |
| 23:05.57 | Bernardo | also, I've managed to check my script, and it works |
| 23:06.42 | Bernardo | the problem is gpsd 2.6, the data is outputed in a format that the previous qpegps didn't understand. I'm also building qpegps to make sure it works (or not) |
| 23:07.17 | mickeyl | ok, then we probably have to tell the qpegps people |
| 23:07.31 | mickeyl | please send the stuff you have so far to the oe@ list |
| 23:09.06 | Bernardo | ok, all I have is the gzip stephen sent me. I am only waiting for it all to finish building to test on my collie+gps |
| 23:09.29 | mickeyl | fine. |
| 23:09.48 | Cwiiis | seems freetype-native_2.1.8 doesn't build (anymore?) complains "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" - I'm guessing it should be looking at /lib/cpp? |
| 23:10.34 | mickeyl | builds fine here |
| 23:10.55 | Cwiiis | Perhaps the source on sourceforge isn't the same as it was on the ftp then :/ |
| 23:11.03 | Cwiiis | freetype_2.1.8 builds fine for me |
| 23:13.37 | koen | ah, midnight |
| 23:14.08 | koen | with a working qte, thanks to gints and mickeyl! |
| 23:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | can ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND only do shell scripts? |
| 23:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | no python? |
| 23:14.25 | pb_ | right |
| 23:14.52 | pb_ | calling into shell is a one-way trip. you can't get back to the python world from a shell function. |
| 23:15.01 | pb_ | (and do_rootfs is written in shell.) |
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| 23:15.26 | CosmicPenguin | suck |
| 23:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | Thats ok, I'm committing crimes against nature anyway |
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| 23:29.11 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I moved from my home grown base files to base-files and base-passwd, but I needed a method to add my gui user |
| 23:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | so I added an addusers task that goes down a list of USERS and uses overrides to set the gid, home, etc... |
| 23:29.43 | CosmicPenguin | ugly |
| 23:30.03 | pb_ | wow, that sure is ugly |
| 23:30.04 | CosmicPenguin | now I need to figure out a way to make the home directory |
| 23:30.21 | pb_ | couldn't you just make some kind of crazy-amd-hacks package that does all this stuff in its postinst? |
| 23:30.38 | CosmicPenguin | I spose |
| 23:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | but it is a read-only fs and whatnot |
| 23:31.13 | pb_ | you can run the postinst at image construction time. |
| 23:31.22 | pb_ | that's how /etc/passwd is created in the first place, in fact. |
| 23:31.38 | pb_ | base-passwd's postinst copies it from the passwd.master file. |
| 23:31.54 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 23:32.07 | CosmicPenguin | I guess that wouldn't be too bad |
| 23:40.04 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 23:40.09 | CosmicPenguin | right as I was going to say that I implemented his idea |
| 23:41.32 | reenoo_ | could also patch some offline-root mode into tinylogin's adduser I guess |
| 23:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | nah |
| 23:41.57 | reenoo_ | which is a bit of overkill though |
| 23:42.17 | CosmicPenguin | I just lke running X as somebody other then root |
| 23:46.10 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:49.00 | Bernardo | mickeyl: gpsd works well, qpegps is badly broken, doesn't speak with gpsd |
| 23:49.19 | Bernardo | what other gpsd clients do we have for opie? cumulus? |
| 23:49.28 | mickeyl | cumulus and zroadmap |
| 23:49.51 | mickeyl | could you post a message to the qpegps folks on that matter? |
| 23:51.37 | mickeyl | must sleep now |
| 23:51.39 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 23:55.56 | Bernardo | night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 23:56.10 | Bernardo | zroadmap doesn't work, cumulus seems to work properly... |
| 23:56.13 | Bernardo | see you tomorro |
| 23:56.14 | Bernardo | see you tomorrow |
| 23:57.21 | Bernardo | 'night guys |
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