| 00:05.16 | reenoo_ | ~seen mithro |
| 00:05.18 | ibot | mithro <~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 17h 34m 38s ago, saying: 'treke: so how did it go? :)'. |
| 00:08.00 | Ken|JLime | Aarrggh |
| 00:08.45 | Ken|JLime | I didnt have a machine and preferred kernel provided before, so it managed to start compiling the kernel for ipod (which i dont want). I cant seem to clean it away |
| 00:09.01 | Ken|JLime | so now even though ive stated correct kernel it continues building the ipod on (and failing) |
| 00:10.33 | Ken|JLime | It started with pcmcia-cs but even if i clean it it will still have the memory of ipod |
| 00:11.47 | kergoth | bbread|grep virtual/kernel |
| 00:11.54 | kergoth | make _sure_ its set the way you think it is |
| 00:13.21 | Ken|JLime | ive created new machinetype "jornada6xx.conf" and stated PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-jlime" |
| 00:13.37 | Ken|JLime | ive made a linux-jlime_2.6.11.bb in the packages/linux dir |
| 00:13.54 | Ken|JLime | ive included MACHINE = "jornada6xx" in local.conf |
| 00:14.59 | Ken|JLime | aha |
| 00:15.01 | Ken|JLime | wait |
| 00:15.02 | Ken|JLime | err |
| 00:15.04 | Ken|JLime | sorry |
| 00:15.27 | Ken|JLime | looks like PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel was set to = "linux-jlime linux-jlime" |
| 00:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | Minor nitpick for any hh.o guys hanging about - ipkg-utils has no COPYING file |
| 00:17.10 | Ken|JLime | kergoth, thx bbread is a good help |
| 00:20.02 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: no hh.org guys with access to that cvs module around I think. best file a bug in bugzilla or mail Pigi... |
| 00:20.13 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: got it |
| 00:20.36 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: Pigi? |
| 00:20.45 | CosmicPenguin | you suck, ibot |
| 00:30.39 | zecke | good nite |
| 00:31.07 | reenoo_ | 'night zecke |
| 00:31.14 | Ken|JLime | kergoth, looks like i still need to clean the cache of the bad ipod package. |
| 00:31.18 | Ken|JLime | night zecke |
| 00:32.19 | zecke | reenoo_: do we need to upgrade hugs? |
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| 00:33.41 | CosmicPenguin | pb, Pigi - lart me if you wish... :) |
| 00:34.33 | reenoo_ | zecke: I don't know actually. I'm not tracking hugs development... probably worth a shot though |
| 00:37.32 | CosmicPenguin | heh - we've only found two packages so far without proper licensing information |
| 00:37.37 | CosmicPenguin | ipkg-utils, and... gnu-config |
| 00:38.37 | Ken|JLime | gnu-config lol |
| 00:40.15 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, we need to do a better job of putting copyright headers in the metadata. you guys have been good about that, iirc, but not the rest of us |
| 00:40.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: its an ongoing adventure |
| 00:41.30 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: right now, we're getting ready to distribute a full dev kit, and we need to make sure all the source is kosher |
| 00:41.45 | kergoth | i'm tempted to go "# Copyright the .bb maintainer" in the headers. hehe. |
| 00:42.40 | CosmicPenguin | Copyright (C) 2005, ibot |
| 00:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | all rights reserved... :) |
| 00:43.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:43.31 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... interesting |
| 00:43.38 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you ever get a chance to play with those macros? |
| 00:43.39 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: got a fakeroot tree handy? Check out their license |
| 00:43.43 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: nope, not yet |
| 00:43.51 | CosmicPenguin | been busy with meetings and other bullshit |
| 00:43.58 | kergoth | ahh |
| 00:44.25 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: had a linux-pm irc meeting today - big breakthrough is that every body agrees we need a userland based kernel managment policy for individual devices |
| 00:44.56 | kergoth | sweet |
| 00:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | Now, comes the details... :) |
| 00:45.16 | CosmicPenguin | But the goal is to get something by OLS |
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| 00:56.10 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hm. in the US, everything is copyrighted, whether you have a header or not, so i guess it isnt that big a deal for people in the US, since the bk revision history holds who made which changes when. in fact, we could generate the headers as a first pass based on that information. keep a little bkusers->human readable table |
| 00:56.50 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
| 00:57.06 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: and really, I don't know anybody that is going to be serious about asserting copyright control over the .bb files |
| 00:57.27 | CosmicPenguin | But this is the USA in the 21st century.... |
| 00:57.55 | kergoth | right. its not like its difficult stuff. running make isnt rocket science, and its run by everyone who builds it anyway, so its likely not something 9~you _could_ be serious about asserting control over |
| 00:58.02 | kergoth | only the horrendous hacks are unique |
| 00:58.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:58.13 | CosmicPenguin | But nobody claims those anyway |
| 00:58.16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:58.19 | kergoth | nobody would want to :) |
| 00:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - time to go share a sanit pattys beer |
| 00:59.28 | kergoth | good plan |
| 01:01.55 | cyn | i feel like im drunk already - this kinesis ergo keyboard |
| 01:02.38 | kergoth | heh, those take a bit of getting used ot |
| 01:02.40 | cyn | crazy loopy shit - so far i really like it though... i think ill go run some typing tutor |
| 01:02.42 | kergoth | to, even |
| 01:02.46 | cyn | ayup |
| 01:03.33 | cyn | i can type well enough - but i spend too much time thinking about it |
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| 01:04.04 | cyn | and the arrow keys are so out there thats its easier to erase a whole line and retype it |
| 01:04.37 | kergoth | heh, could use vim and use the old school movement keys, the ones that are regular letters when in command mode |
| 01:05.08 | cyn | yeah im prolly gunns |
| 01:05.48 | cyn | my coworker uses some crazy vi shell bindings that i may start using too |
| 01:06.26 | cyn | *gunna |
| 01:09.08 | cyn | do you all qwerty or dvorak? |
| 01:12.30 | treke | qwerty |
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| 01:24.31 | Ken|JLime | could someone please add an glibc-2.3.4.bb to the OE package list |
| 01:24.38 | Ken|JLime | im hoping for some bugfixes for sh3 |
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| 01:28.12 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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| 02:01.25 | kergoth | woot, home. |
| 02:01.31 | kergoth | and with coffee & chinese food, even |
| 02:02.23 | offroadgeek | kergoth: did you get that package I (finally) sent you? |
| 02:02.50 | kergoth | yeah i did! |
| 02:02.55 | kergoth | it took me a bit to realize what it was |
| 02:02.58 | kergoth | since i'd forgotten about it |
| 02:02.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:03.14 | ggilbert | did you ever mail out that c700? |
| 02:03.21 | kergoth | no, its in a drawer at work |
| 02:03.49 | ggilbert | still getting collections letters? |
| 02:04.14 | Crofton | woot, my webpal is here |
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| 02:04.28 | Crofton | well at the post office |
| 02:06.31 | kergoth | ggilbert: no, i think they gave up |
| 02:06.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:07.10 | kergoth | Crofton: webpal, eh. the #elinux guys talk you into it? a bunch of them were hacking on them a while back |
| 02:07.22 | Crofton | yeah, one of them talked me into it |
| 02:07.34 | Crofton | $10 for the webpal, $20 for shipping :) |
| 02:07.35 | kergoth | its so cheap, you really cant argue |
| 02:07.37 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:07.42 | kergoth | i dont have one yet myself |
| 02:07.44 | Crofton | yeah |
| 02:08.01 | Crofton | my wife is having surgery next week, I should get it hooked up to the TV for her :) |
| 02:08.33 | kergoth | surgery eh? for what? |
| 02:08.38 | Crofton | knee |
| 02:08.40 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:08.46 | Crofton | She went into the terrain park on skis |
| 02:08.55 | Crofton | and jumped something she shouldn't have |
| 02:09.25 | Crofton | I suspect it will take me too long to make it work for her though |
| 02:09.35 | Crofton | especially since I busted the OSK today |
| 02:10.10 | kergoth | what hapepned? |
| 02:10.36 | Crofton | I was installing a new kernel, that rebooted, but it was the wrong kernel |
| 02:10.45 | Crofton | so massive module bitching |
| 02:10.54 | Crofton | so I reboot to install proper one |
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| 02:11.04 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:11.15 | Crofton | anyway after seconf reboot brain death set in |
| 02:11.19 | kergoth | damn irc proxy likes consuming tons of ram after a while |
| 02:11.27 | kergoth | on a linode with 64mb of ram, this isnt a good thing |
| 02:11.30 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:11.31 | kergoth | things start getting OOM killed :) |
| 02:11.49 | Crofton | oops |
| 02:12.07 | Crofton | so we finally found a JTAG and installed a demo of code composer |
| 02:12.23 | Crofton | couldn;t get FR programm working |
| 02:12.29 | kergoth | u-boot on it is toast? |
| 02:12.36 | Crofton | apparently |
| 02:12.42 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:12.53 | Crofton | I had to leace , and I got an email they can talk to it with CC |
| 02:12.58 | Crofton | yeah really odd |
| 02:13.24 | Crofton | but they can't do jack with flash, but I am hoping that is because the jumper is mapping ROM to where they expect flash |
| 02:13.40 | Crofton | I'm still wondering exactly what went wrong |
| 02:18.41 | kergoth | yeah, thats strange. theres nothing in normal use that you could do to hose it like that |
| 02:19.38 | Crofton | I think the real problem was that while I was doing this some guys decided to show the OMAP to a visitor |
| 02:19.56 | Crofton | So minutes after it dies, I am sitting there really puzzled |
| 02:20.09 | Crofton | and Max says, Philip, can you do a demo now? |
| 02:20.22 | kergoth | haha, oh man, thats bad timing |
| 02:20.27 | Crofton | really |
| 02:20.35 | kergoth | ~lart murphy |
| 02:20.43 | Crofton | If I had known, I would have waited until after the "demo" |
| 02:21.11 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:22.00 | Crofton | not a complete disaster, since we didn't really have anythign to demo other than isn;t this cool |
| 02:24.43 | Crofton | Well, I'm going to the post office to see if the webpal is really there |
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| 02:34.30 | andersee | kergoth: neeto |
| 02:34.33 | andersee | kergoth: http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html |
| 02:35.35 | kergoth | ooh |
| 02:35.38 | kergoth | that is neat |
| 02:35.51 | andersee | no more need to be evil |
| 02:37.22 | andersee | unless you want to commit stuff of course... |
| 02:37.47 | kergoth | right, and its not hard to setup a patch gateway for that, even |
| 02:37.51 | kergoth | thats really nice |
| 02:40.18 | ggilbert | nifty |
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| 02:46.35 | andersee | hmmmmmm |
| 02:46.38 | andersee | $ PATH=`pwd`:$PATH ./sfioball bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/openembedded openembedded |
| 02:46.39 | gb2 | does that do an export-only pull? or a full clone? |
| 02:46.47 | andersee | $ PATH=`pwd`:$PATH ./update bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/openembedded openembedded |
| 02:46.47 | andersee | OK-root OK |
| 02:46.47 | andersee | INFO-generating patch, please wait... |
| 02:46.47 | andersee | INFO-nothing to send. |
| 02:50.41 | gb2 | OK-root OK |
| 02:50.41 | gb2 | gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 02:50.41 | gb2 | Premature EOF on BitKeeper/tmp/ChangeLog |
| 02:51.38 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.38 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.38 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.38 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.40 | gb2 | damn! |
| 02:51.45 | gb2 | we can't distribute it! |
| 02:51.47 | gb2 | ;) |
| 02:51.51 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:53.50 | kergoth | huh, the demo works |
| 02:53.59 | gb2 | it doesn't seem to like subdirs |
| 02:54.30 | gb2 | rename("BitKeeper/tmp/ChangeLog", "BK/ChangeLog") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 02:54.33 | gb2 | tries to do that |
| 02:55.05 | gb2 | ah |
| 02:55.07 | gb2 | hrm |
| 02:55.14 | gb2 | i think it really is closing early |
| 02:58.11 | gb2 | it sends "export -r+" as the remote command |
| 02:58.26 | gb2 | transfers some stuff, and says "OK-sfio transfered, enjoy!" |
| 02:58.40 | gb2 | and gzip thinks it was an early EOF |
| 02:59.14 | kergoth | whats the problem? |
| 02:59.16 | kergoth | its working fine here |
| 02:59.29 | kergoth | andersee: sfioball pulls the current tree. update really would have nothing to do. |
| 02:59.44 | gb2 | kergoth: using sfioball to pull openembedded closes early here |
| 02:59.58 | kergoth | hmm, worked here, buty i'm testing at oe-devel, not openembedded |
| 03:00.01 | kergoth | s/buty/but/ |
| 03:00.12 | gb2 | gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 03:00.12 | gb2 | Premature EOF on BitKeeper/tmp/ChangeLog |
| 03:00.14 | gb2 | you get that too? |
| 03:00.17 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:00.23 | kergoth | site/x86_64-linux |
| 03:00.23 | kergoth | site/x86_64-linux-uclibc |
| 03:00.23 | kergoth | OK-sfio transferred, enjoy! |
| 03:00.27 | kergoth | then i'm back at a prompt |
| 03:02.13 | kergoth | yeah, openembedded.bkbits.net blows up |
| 03:02.15 | gb2 | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.132.92.3")}, 16 |
| 03:02.15 | kergoth | oe-devel works. |
| 03:02.24 | gb2 | sin_port=0 |
| 03:02.24 | gb2 | ? |
| 03:03.39 | gb2 | kergoth: what commandline are you using to pull from oe-devel? |
| 03:03.58 | gb2 | ah, : != / |
| 03:04.50 | gb2 | yeah, oe-devel works for me too |
| 03:04.56 | kergoth | weird |
| 03:05.49 | gb2 | so this basically does an export, so you don't get automagic patching for developers to trivially diff stuff, but not bad in general. |
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| 03:07.04 | kergoth | certainly saves us headaches |
| 03:07.10 | kergoth | wrt snapshotting, cvs mirrors, etc |
| 03:07.27 | gb2 | i was imagining using unionfs |
| 03:07.31 | gb2 | :) |
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| 03:10.33 | gb2 | could probably write a handful of wrapper scripts for using unionfs with a readonly pull of this underneath a working copy |
| 03:11.34 | kergoth | heh, thatd be cool. new changes wouldnt push up into your working versions though, they'd just update underneith you. would need to log what files changed that you have modifications to |
| 03:11.44 | kergoth | and optionally apply a diff to it, or a 3 way diff with meld or something |
| 03:12.24 | andersee | kergoth: wanna check something into oe so we can see what 'update' does? |
| 03:13.06 | kergoth | sure, let me connect to one of my dev boxes and see if i have some local changes that need checking in |
| 03:13.09 | kergoth | usually do |
| 03:13.15 | gb2 | kergoth: yeah, you'd need more logic in an update wrapper |
| 03:20.21 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3094.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ (27 files in 3 dirs): Start adding wrt54g{,s} bits. This is the linux-wrt 2.4.20 kernel, and an /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 03:21.01 | kergoth | that kernel doesnt compile yet, but hey |
| 03:21.06 | kergoth | thats been rotting in my tree long enough |
| 03:21.08 | kergoth | try an update :) |
| 03:22.47 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3097 10openembedded/BitKeeper/deleted/ (11 files): Kill a few files that were unintentionally checked in, in the last cset. |
| 03:23.31 | Crofton | you get oe running for the wrt54 and I might need to get one |
| 03:23.55 | andersee | kergoth: worked. pulled down the wrt stuff. |
| 03:23.58 | kergoth | Crofton: the OpenWRT project is willing to consider moving to OE, since buildroot is turning into a big maintainance headache for them |
| 03:24.01 | kergoth | andersee: excellent |
| 03:24.07 | kergoth | andersee: need to add this to the OE GettingStarted page :) |
| 03:24.08 | Crofton | heh |
| 03:25.04 | kergoth | andersee: http://kergoth.com/files/local.conf.colinux |
| 03:25.10 | kergoth | andersee: is what i'm using for my colinux build. |
| 03:25.26 | kergoth | note that some of he common things, like DL_DIR, the preferred providers for gcc, etc, I have in $HOME/.bb/conf/site.conf |
| 03:25.31 | kergoth | which is common across all my builds |
| 03:25.41 | kergoth | then i just put $HOME/.bb in BBPATH, between build & oe |
| 03:26.16 | andersee | kergoth: presumably I need to change TARGET_OS too |
| 03:26.23 | kergoth | right, yeah |
| 03:26.45 | andersee | does that build oe? |
| 03:27.14 | kergoth | ? thats a config thatll let you build whatever you like for colinux |
| 03:27.19 | kergoth | last time i did a build, i built the world |
| 03:27.28 | kergoth | around 150 packages out of 1300 failed to compile |
| 03:27.31 | kergoth | need to spend some time fixing those |
| 03:27.32 | chouimat | weeeeeee |
| 03:27.40 | andersee | k |
| 03:28.26 | andersee | so presumably I can debug opie/uclibc under colinux |
| 03:28.31 | ggilbert | I wonder if mcvoy will ever go and release a tool for commiting to a bk tree without any niceties |
| 03:28.49 | kergoth | andersee: should be able to. well, within reason. like uml, there's no framebuffer |
| 03:28.57 | andersee | hmm |
| 03:28.59 | kergoth | andersee: so you'd have to run a qvfb in remote X, and run opie in that |
| 03:29.06 | ggilbert | andersee: neither would I :p |
| 03:29.09 | ggilbert | would be nice though |
| 03:29.28 | kergoth | thats what i'm working on though. i want colinuxoe to be a fully fledged usable development environment |
| 03:29.32 | kergoth | including opie and/or X |
| 03:29.47 | gb2 | UML has a framebuffer doesn't it? |
| 03:29.55 | kergoth | i was going to try running OE in it, but got bit by the python segfault w/ uclibc thing |
| 03:30.16 | gb2 | python hates uclibc? |
| 03:30.17 | kergoth | well, i didnt think it did last time i tried it. admittedly its been a while |
| 03:30.20 | kergoth | seems to, yeah |
| 03:30.26 | kergoth | python and sqlite3 both segfault immediatley when i run them |
| 03:30.28 | kergoth | under i686 anyway |
| 03:30.28 | gb2 | good to know before i dove too far into my project |
| 03:30.30 | gb2 | ah |
| 03:30.36 | kergoth | under arm+uclibc, no segfault in sqlite3 |
| 03:30.37 | gb2 | was goign to be using sqlite3 too :) |
| 03:30.44 | gb2 | this would be i586 |
| 03:31.02 | andersee | gb2: lemme check into that |
| 03:31.07 | gb2 | hehe |
| 03:31.11 | andersee | and get whatever it is fixed |
| 03:31.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:33.17 | treke|home | here's a deal |
| 03:33.21 | treke|home | I'll take the blame |
| 03:33.24 | treke|home | you fix the bugs |
| 03:33.27 | treke|home | sound good? :p |
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| 03:36.56 | kergoth | andersee: fyi, http://kergoth.com/files/site.conf is my site.conf. |
| 03:38.01 | gb2 | kergoth: is there a good value to put in for a preferred provider to inhibit and error on an attempt to build, like one for virtual/kernel |
| 03:38.23 | kergoth | gb2: in my opinion, we need a COMPATIBLE_MACHINE |
| 03:38.32 | kergoth | and all kernels should indicate what machiens they can target happily |
| 03:38.51 | kergoth | so not specifying a kernel would simply error saying none exist for your machine, rather than picking a random one like ipod |
| 03:39.12 | gb2 | yeah |
| 03:39.46 | kergoth | then if someone _really_ wanted, they could add a generic kernel.org kernel, thatd do its best to compile using a defconfig fo ryour machine, if it can dig one up |
| 03:39.47 | gb2 | though, building a random one from that architecture, may still lead to confusing things |
| 03:40.00 | kergoth | we have COMPATIBL_HOST today, for architecture |
| 03:40.02 | kergoth | i'm thinking machine |
| 03:40.06 | kergoth | COMPATIBLE_MACHINE = "collie" |
| 03:40.12 | kergoth | so that kernel is buildable fo rno one else |
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| 03:42.28 | gb2 | should audit all the things that think they want to depend on the kernel |
| 03:42.42 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:42.50 | kergoth | we've got a lot of crappy apps poking into headers they shouldnt be. |
| 03:42.53 | gb2 | thinking about it, the only things that should depend are kernel modules, and meta or image packages |
| 03:43.11 | xiaoxiao | hi,everybody |
| 03:43.30 | kergoth | hey |
| 03:45.14 | andersee | Subject: Re: BKCVS broken ? |
| 03:45.14 | andersee | From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com> |
| 03:45.14 | andersee | Toi: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org> |
| 03:45.20 | andersee | > Am I missing some step? |
| 03:45.20 | andersee | > |
| 03:45.20 | andersee | > $ rm -rf openembedded |
| 03:45.20 | andersee | > $ PATH=`pwd`:$PATH ./sfioball bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/openembedded openembedded |
| 03:45.21 | andersee | So that one produces no output? That's busted, I'll go look. |
| 03:45.32 | kergoth | ah, good |
| 03:50.35 | xiaoxiao | I want to build a kernel on my linux8.0. who can tell me how to do it? |
| 03:51.43 | kergoth | .. |
| 03:51.59 | xiaoxiao | i am a little guy |
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| 03:54.14 | xiaoxiao | kergoth ,can you help me? |
| 03:56.39 | xiaoxiao | ..... |
| 03:56.58 | kergoth | there is no "linux 8.0", first of all |
| 03:57.11 | kergoth | second, build a kernel for what? |
| 04:00.54 | emte | linux 8 ... must be suse or really ancient |
| 04:01.48 | rover_dan | kergoth, i suppose xiaoxiao'meaning is RH8.0 |
| 04:21.52 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 05:13.07 | alakdan | anyone got any ideas how I can make this IR based keyboard work in oz? Its not pocketop or belkin. Im trying to look for some info how the pocketop keyboard was made to work. |
| 05:13.30 | kergoth | Is the "This is not a distribution support channel" in the channel topic unclear in some way? |
| 05:13.45 | kergoth | #openzaurus is the correct channel for oz questions |
| 05:14.40 | alakdan | oh, so sorry |
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| 05:30.14 | andersee | kergoth: PREFERRED_VERSION_uclibc = "0.9.19" |
| 05:30.19 | andersee | ugh |
| 05:30.25 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:30.31 | kergoth | we dont have that in upstream oe |
| 05:30.52 | kergoth | experimenting. rwhitby has a user that wants to build apps for an existing ancient uclibc distro on a router, as shipped |
| 05:30.59 | kergoth | doesnt want to replace the existing firmware |
| 05:31.02 | kergoth | just build apps for it |
| 05:31.05 | andersee | ahh |
| 05:35.42 | andersee | kergoth: btw, sfioball is working now |
| 05:35.48 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 05:35.55 | kergoth | should add that to our GettingStarted |
| 05:35.57 | andersee | larry kicked something or other |
| 05:36.41 | kergoth | hmm, GettingStarted is getting unweildy |
| 05:36.52 | kergoth | methinks its time to break it out into subpages. GettingStarted/GentooBits |
| 05:36.56 | kergoth | etc |
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| 05:52.36 | kergoth | either that, or put them in a libexec dir, with an sfio lancher |
| 05:52.37 | kergoth | sfio up |
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| 06:02.18 | treke|home | kergoth: I forgot how big of a pain setting up the magnia was |
| 06:02.47 | treke|home | trying to configure iptables on a machine with no console access is "fun" |
| 06:03.08 | treke|home | got mighty lucky though |
| 06:03.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:03.28 | treke|home | didnt kill the machine when i accidently yanked the hard drive while it was running |
| 06:03.29 | kergoth | i never did get mine happy. it stopped working even as an ethernet switch, a while back |
| 06:03.36 | kergoth | oh damn, that is lucky |
| 06:03.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:03.43 | treke|home | too quiet compared to my xeon |
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| 06:18.51 | peteru-home | Is Tim Ansell one of the core OE developers? - He's giving a talk on OE at the Australian embedded miniconf next month. |
| 06:20.58 | ggilbert | he's very familiar with oe |
| 06:21.07 | ggilbert | I wouldnt quite call him a core developer though |
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| 07:36.25 | greg72 | gb2: hi |
| 07:37.44 | kergoth | greg72: you ever get that ppc build going? |
| 07:38.16 | greg72 | hi kergoth, not yet, but the uClibc.config problem is over |
| 07:40.23 | greg72 | kergoth: http://pastebin.ca/7683 What do you think of this? |
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| 07:42.09 | greg72 | hi schurig |
| 07:42.23 | schurig | greg72: Hi! Did you solve your weird problem? |
| 07:43.03 | schurig | kergoth: hi 2u as well! |
| 07:43.18 | greg72 | schurig: I went home not much later and came back recently. I'll look at that. |
| 07:43.50 | schurig | greg72: ask kergoth as long as he is still awake |
| 07:44.12 | schurig | kergoth: doing Linksys router things? |
| 07:44.32 | greg72 | he has no idea at the moment, unfortunately. But it's my turn to go into the problem |
| 07:44.39 | schurig | kergoth: the other day I read about a WLAN/DSL router with Broadcom chips which run Linux. Looked nice as well ... |
| 07:44.40 | kergoth | schurig: bought one a few months back. talked to the openwrt folks about possibly using oe, they liked the idea.. i never got around to fixing the wrt kernel build in oe |
| 07:44.48 | kergoth | s/one/a wrt54gs/ |
| 07:44.59 | kergoth | their kernel build requires headers outsdie the kernel tree |
| 07:45.09 | kergoth | those headers are from their big monolithic source pile |
| 07:45.18 | kergoth | and those headers have no set copyright/license headers |
| 07:45.36 | kergoth | just plain ugly |
| 07:45.44 | kergoth | need to check in some more fixes for that |
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| 07:47.32 | schurig | kergoth: if something is not copyrighted then it's public domain (at least in Germany) |
| 07:47.56 | kergoth | schurig: in the US, _everything_ has a copyright, whether you state it or not, and th eonly way to make it public domain is via a _signed_ document stating that |
| 07:48.00 | kergoth | :\ |
| 07:48.01 | bluelightning | hello all |
| 07:48.06 | schurig | kergoth: lots of header files? If not, you can put them into the files/-equivalent directory ... |
| 07:48.25 | schurig | Me is grad that US law doesn't apply to the rest of the world |
| 07:48.30 | schurig | despite their bombing raids ... |
| 07:48.41 | kergoth | schurig: enough to be annoying. planned on having a seperate tarball for it on the oe site and a .bb to drop those into staging or something.. |
| 07:48.50 | kergoth | messy |
| 07:48.54 | kergoth | schurig: hehe, you and me both |
| 07:49.05 | schurig | glad, not grad |
| 07:49.10 | greg72 | greg72 tests |
| 07:49.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:50.56 | schurig | greg72: just a tip: we have some other non-arm thingies in OE, e.g. mips based machines. Maybe you can look how for them the libc/cross-compiler combo get's built |
| 07:51.29 | schurig | greg72: if all else fails (e.g. if the learning curve is too steep for now), then there is a wiki page that describes how to use an out-of-OE toolchain for compiling |
| 07:52.56 | schurig | greg72: http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
| 07:53.03 | schurig | greg72: but you can apply this info to your situation |
| 07:53.42 | schurig | greg72: oh, that was again (bull****) from me. It's about an out-of-OE kernel, not out-of-OE-toolchain |
| 07:54.02 | kergoth | no, thats about an out of oe toolchain, but its a special case |
| 07:54.12 | kergoth | since it isnt used as the main oe toolchain, just the kernel one |
| 07:54.30 | kergoth | an out of oe main toolchain, you need a few more assume provided bits |
| 07:54.42 | kergoth | the cross binutils, gcc, and virtual/libc |
| 07:54.48 | greg72 | thx, I'll first try building a mips-based version. |
| 07:54.49 | kergoth | and possibly the initial versions, i dont remember |
| 07:56.13 | kergoth | greg72: if you do get to that point, let me know, i have a local.conf here for using an external toolchain. i do so at work all the time. |
| 07:58.18 | schurig | kergoth: do you know how to tell the "install --strip" command that it should use arm-linux-strip and not strip ? |
| 07:58.39 | kergoth | schurig: nope. but stripping is really a _package_ time function, not an install time one |
| 07:58.55 | kergoth | schurig: might be worth patching 'install' to obey a 'STRIP' env var or so though, if it can't already |
| 07:58.57 | schurig | kergoth: the Makefile of procps does install --strip ... so I have to patch that away |
| 07:59.21 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Buildsystems_2fRulesOfThumb |
| 07:59.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:00.10 | schurig | kergoth: actualyl coreutils-native HAS this patch |
| 08:00.27 | schurig | packages/coreutils/coreutils-5.1.3/install-cross.patch |
| 08:00.34 | schurig | I just did not compile it yet |
| 08:01.37 | schurig | kergoth: thanks for the hint |
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| 08:07.09 | kergoth | hehe. np |
| 08:09.02 | RP | morning all |
| 08:09.11 | kergoth | hey RP |
| 08:09.26 | greg72 | what distro do you recommend for MACHINE="wrt54"? Moin, RP |
| 08:10.02 | kergoth | heh, dont build wrt54. that kernel i checked in wont compile as things stand today |
| 08:10.16 | kergoth | but i'm certain there is an oe distro for the wrt specifically. |
| 08:10.25 | kergoth | try a different mips box, if you're just testing :) |
| 08:10.31 | kergoth | like the meshcube or so |
| 08:12.16 | greg72 | grep mips * gives me mtx-1, wrt54 and xxs1500. Which one to use? |
| 08:12.17 | wrobbie | Hia.. I'm still trying to build a uclibc-linux eden-c3 minimal image. Not getting any further, so I thought I'd try the simplest linux/i586/familiar build, which doesn't work either..! (glibc compile error) |
| 08:12.53 | wrobbie | /home/rob/oe/build-tmp/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.3+cvs20050221-r0/build-i586-linux/linuxthreads/libpthread_pic.a(pthread.os)(.text+0x223): In function `pthread_initialize': |
| 08:12.53 | wrobbie | | pthread.c: undefined reference to `_res' |
| 08:13.08 | kergoth | greg72: try mtx-1. |
| 08:13.32 | kergoth | hmm, never tried i586, but dont see any reason for it not to work. try an older cvs snapshot |
| 08:13.40 | kergoth | ls openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_*.bb |
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| 08:14.23 | wrobbie | [x64] ~/oe/openembedded> ls packages/glibc/glibc_*.bb |
| 08:14.23 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.2.5.bb |
| 08:14.24 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.2.bb |
| 08:14.24 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.2+cvs20040726.bb |
| 08:14.25 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.3.bb |
| 08:14.25 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.3+cvs20041128.bb |
| 08:14.26 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.3+cvs20050221.bb |
| 08:14.28 | wrobbie | packages/glibc/glibc_cvs.bb |
| 08:14.36 | kergoth | yes.. |
| 08:14.44 | kergoth | i knokw whats there. |
| 08:14.49 | wrobbie | ah :) |
| 08:14.49 | kergoth | i told you to look there for your benefit, not mine |
| 08:14.56 | kergoth | pick a previous cvs snap |
| 08:14.58 | kergoth | like 20041128 |
| 08:14.58 | wrobbie | sorry (hee hee) |
| 08:15.07 | kergoth | set PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc = "2.3.3+cvs20041128" |
| 08:15.13 | kergoth | and PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc-initial = "2.3.3+cvs20041128" |
| 08:15.26 | kergoth | then bitbake -c clean glibc-initial glibc |
| 08:15.28 | kergoth | and try again |
| 08:15.31 | kergoth | worth a shot, anyway |
| 08:15.39 | wrobbie | ok.. |
| 08:16.06 | wrobbie | what does -initial stand for? |
| 08:16.16 | kergoth | what does "initial" mean? |
| 08:16.18 | kergoth | look it up |
| 08:16.26 | kergoth | dictionaries are our friends |
| 08:16.53 | wrobbie | i know what initial means, but not what it signifies in this context.. |
| 08:17.02 | kergoth | tahts the initial part of the glibc build. its multi-pass. you have to get headers from it, for some architectures anyway, in order to be able to compile the first pass of gcc. |
| 08:17.16 | kergoth | so it goes binutils, glibc-initial, gcc-cross-initial, glibc, gcc-cross |
| 08:18.04 | wrobbie | ah, thanks |
| 08:18.15 | kergoth | np |
| 08:21.13 | wrobbie | am i right to assume something's broken in my config if it builds glibc even when my is TARGET_OS="linux-uclibc"? (I though that happened a few builds back) |
| 08:21.27 | kergoth | sounds like your DISTRO made that decision for you |
| 08:21.32 | kergoth | the DISTRO .conf loads -after- local.conf |
| 08:21.35 | kergoth | so it can override you |
| 08:21.43 | kergoth | remove it from there to prevent that |
| 08:21.52 | kergoth | its annoying. |
| 08:22.12 | kergoth | the distro cant use ?= to prevent overriding you (set only if not set already) because TARGET_OS is _always_ set, in bitbake.conf |
| 08:22.36 | wrobbie | bitbake -c clean glibc-initial glibc completes ok.. will try bootstrap |
| 08:22.41 | kergoth | so the distro either doesnt set it at all, which -forces- the user to do so in local.conf, or they set it so the user doesnt have to, and thereby result in the user not being able to override |
| 08:28.19 | wrobbie | for familiar, openzaurus etc., there's big lists of PREFERRED_VERSIONs, but where is the actual list of packages to be included? |
| 08:28.49 | kergoth | included in what? |
| 08:28.52 | kergoth | images? |
| 08:28.56 | kergoth | package feeds? |
| 08:28.56 | wrobbie | in the distro |
| 08:29.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 08:29.14 | kergoth | thats up to the person doing the build. they can build whatever they want for it |
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| 08:29.44 | kergoth | some packageset decisions, like what goes into -images-, are defined by the -image and other .bb's in packages/meta/ |
| 08:29.59 | kergoth | as you've probably noticed, the line gets blurry with oe. exactly what _is_ a distro? |
| 08:30.00 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:30.03 | kergoth | ;) |
| 08:30.04 | kergoth | hey koen |
| 08:30.05 | wrobbie | Ah, that's what I meant to ask |
| 08:30.09 | wrobbie | morning |
| 08:30.17 | koen | hey kergoth |
| 08:30.21 | koen | hey wrobbie |
| 08:30.30 | kergoth | in oe, machine and target platform specifics are never a function of the distro |
| 08:30.38 | kergoth | (unlike more conventional ones) |
| 08:30.56 | kergoth | nor are most packageset decisions, though some of that is in their hands |
| 08:31.02 | kergoth | the distro defines, mostly, policy. |
| 08:31.08 | kergoth | are we using glibc or uclibc? |
| 08:31.14 | kergoth | are we using hotplug-ng or hotplug? |
| 08:31.15 | kergoth | and so on |
| 08:31.18 | wrobbie | ok, but i thought that my DISTRO selection would pick all the packages for my image.. not so then. |
| 08:31.19 | kergoth | 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 08:31.31 | wrobbie | ok |
| 08:31.38 | kergoth | wrobbie: right, its the .bb's in packages/meta/, along with some machine specifics in the machine .conf's, that controls that, generally |
| 08:31.48 | kergoth | (though the distro might be affecting the bootstrap image as well) |
| 08:31.54 | kergoth | there are a few variables that affect those .bb's |
| 08:32.02 | kergoth | that .conf's are free to use to exert control to a certain extend |
| 08:32.03 | kergoth | extent |
| 08:32.09 | kergoth | (i.e. MACHINE adding kernel modules to the images) |
| 08:34.34 | kergoth | wrobbie: as you've probably noticed, in OE flexibility is king, as is granularity. so things tend to broken up quite a bit to keep things as flexible as possible |
| 08:34.50 | wrobbie | 'kay.. so 'bootstrap-image' defines a package list somewhere.. ->task-bootstrap is what I was looking for i guess |
| 08:34.50 | kergoth | so its possible to do things like use openzaurus on an ipaq. |
| 08:35.08 | kergoth | we should probably do a wiki page on this |
| 08:35.16 | kergoth | "whats all this machine and distro stuff? help!" |
| 08:35.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:35.34 | wrobbie | would save you from dozens of oe-newbies :) |
| 08:35.57 | wrobbie | dammit, same error |
| 08:36.00 | wrobbie | /home/rob/oe/build-tmp/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.3+cvs20041128-r1/build-i586-linux/linuxthreads/libpthread_pic.a(pthread.os)(.text+0x223): In function `pthread_initialize': |
| 08:36.00 | wrobbie | | pthread.c: undefined reference to `_res' |
| 08:36.11 | greg72 | ERROR: log data follows (/opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/temp/log.do_install.471) |
| 08:36.11 | greg72 | | NOTE: make DESTDIR=/opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/image install |
| 08:36.11 | greg72 | | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 08:36.11 | greg72 | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 08:36.34 | greg72 | kergoth: what do you think of this? |
| 08:39.44 | kergoth | greg72: sounds like the gcc-cross-initial source tree wasnt unpacked properly or something. clean that package and rebuild |
| 08:40.03 | kergoth | wrobbie: google the error. see if others have hit it. perhaps we need a patch |
| 08:40.44 | schurig | greg72: maybe it was only partially downloaded |
| 08:40.50 | wrobbie | mine's a pthreads issue.. How can i figure out who's building that library? grep all .bbs? |
| 08:41.03 | kergoth | wrobbie: pthreads is in linuxthreads, which is in glibc. |
| 08:41.28 | schurig | wrobbie: maybe you can do --disable-pthreads |
| 08:41.52 | greg72 | kergoth: delete <oetmp>/work/gcc-cross-initial-<ver> and <oetmp>/stamps/gcc-cross-initial* ? Did you think of these as "clean that package"? |
| 08:42.03 | wrobbie | linuxthreads yes. strange, same error in much older version, smells fishy. perhaps I'd better rm -rf buid/tmp? |
| 08:42.17 | schurig | bitbake -cclean -b <path to bb file> |
| 08:42.30 | kergoth | greg72: the 'clean' task is preferred, as schurig says |
| 08:42.42 | kergoth | greg72: that said, the clean task just wipes the stamps and WORKDIR, generally. |
| 08:43.20 | wrobbie | ok, if that cleans up enough :) I have nice fast x64 machine that can build like crazy, so i'm not even worried anymore about rebuilding all :)) |
| 08:43.21 | schurig | greg72: and if you really only have a partially download, then remove the right files in tmp/downloads |
| 08:43.43 | schurig | wrobbie: It's "rm -rf tmp" then :-) |
| 08:43.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:43.57 | wrobbie | hehe |
| 08:44.09 | kergoth | on a fast machine, glibc still takes a while |
| 08:44.12 | schurig | wrobbie: be sure to install ccache as well |
| 08:44.17 | kergoth | it just spends more time in do_configure and do_package than compiling. |
| 08:44.30 | schurig | kergoth: especially glibc's package_ipk task ... |
| 08:44.30 | kergoth | the cpu is becomign less and less of a bottleneck for us. |
| 08:44.34 | wrobbie | I have to install ccache manually? :) |
| 08:44.44 | schurig | wrobbie: apt-get ccache |
| 08:44.51 | wrobbie | yeah, glibc is painful |
| 08:45.11 | schurig | wrobbie: there not yet a ccache-native.bb package in OE, so install it natively |
| 08:45.12 | wrobbie | Hey, i'm rpm only |
| 08:45.22 | wrobbie | ok, thanks, will do that |
| 08:45.27 | schurig | wrobbie: poor guy |
| 08:45.36 | schurig | wrobbie: then do "yum ccache" or what it is for you |
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| 08:48.05 | wrobbie | oh well, I have to go to a GUI-design meeting (groan), thanks all |
| 08:50.33 | kergoth | np |
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| 08:54.02 | greg72 | | cat /opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/config/fp-bit.c >> dp-bit.c |
| 08:54.03 | greg72 | | /opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/gcc-3.4.3/build.i686-linux.mipsel-linux/gcc/xgcc -B/opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/gcc-3.4.3/build.i686-linux.mipsel-linux/gcc/ -B/opt/openembedded/tmp/cross/mipsel-linux/bin/ -B/opt/openembedded/tmp/cross/mipsel-linux/lib/ -isystem /opt/openembedded/tmp/cross/mipsel-linux/include -isystem /opt/openembedded/tmp/cross/mipsel-linux/sys-include -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall |
| 08:54.03 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.05 | greg72 | | -Dinhibit_libc -c /opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/crtstuff.c -DCRT_BEGIN \ |
| 08:54.08 | greg72 | | -o crtbegin.o |
| 08:54.10 | XorA | morning |
| 08:54.10 | greg72 | | as: unrecognized option `-EL' |
| 08:54.12 | greg72 | | make[1]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1 |
| 08:54.16 | greg72 | | make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/openembedded/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.3-r9/gcc-3.4.3/build.i686-linux.mipsel-linux/gcc' |
| 08:54.21 | greg72 | | make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 |
| 08:54.23 | greg72 | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 08:54.25 | greg72 | NOTE: Task failed: |
| 08:54.27 | greg72 | hi, and excuse me for being long |
| 08:55.02 | kergoth | wonder why xgcc is calling your native as, rather than the cross as. |
| 08:55.06 | kergoth | that doesnt look right |
| 08:56.36 | Ken|JLime | kergoth, is gcc-3.4.3 in the OE package tree now? |
| 08:57.02 | Ken|JLime | ah sorry |
| 08:57.06 | Ken|JLime | ment glibc 3.3.4 |
| 08:58.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.23 | hrw|work | hello |
| 08:59.41 | XorA | lo hrw|work |
| 09:05.29 | kergoth | 3am.. to sleep or no to sleep |
| 09:05.33 | kergoth | not to, that is |
| 09:06.36 | kergoth | the fact that i cant spell 'not to' is probably an answer to that question |
| 09:08.14 | kergoth | wow, we're up to 2199 .bb's? |
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| 09:08.39 | koen | kergoth: we also crossed the 10k csets a while ago |
| 09:08.44 | kergoth | nice |
| 09:08.53 | kergoth | course like a third of that is empty merge csets, but .. :) |
| 09:09.00 | kergoth | still impressive |
| 09:09.12 | kergoth | particularly given how relatively low key oe is |
| 09:09.17 | kergoth | its not like we have many people |
| 09:09.19 | kergoth | or do much promotion |
| 09:11.04 | hrw|work | Bernardo|Away: good news - kdepimpi sources in cvs are still updated |
| 09:11.21 | hrw|work | Bernardo|Away: 2.0.18 |
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| 09:12.04 | hrw|work | Bernardo|Away: 2.0.17 is on sf.net |
| 09:12.44 | koen | hrw|work: zautrix switched to '0' again? |
| 09:13.09 | hrw|work | koen: even worse - KDE-Pim-Pi_2.0.17.tar.gz |
| 09:13.22 | ade|desk | lol, its got to be the 'best' maintained package ever ! |
| 09:13.36 | ade|desk | morning all btw :) |
| 09:14.18 | bluelightning | hi ade|desk |
| 09:14.31 | bluelightning | hi hrw|work |
| 09:14.42 | hrw|work | hi ade, bluelightning |
| 09:15.43 | ade|desk | ello bluelightning |
| 09:16.03 | ade|desk | ..and hrw |
| 09:16.11 | RP | Great :-(. Apparently despite me being in pain, my dentist can't see me until 14th April. |
| 09:16.50 | XorA | Rp: bottle of whicky, some pliers |
| 09:17.12 | RP | XorA: If I was certain which tooth it was... |
| 09:17.23 | schurig | kergoth: say yes to sleep or no to sleep |
| 09:18.12 | bluelightning | RP: I'd be tempted to find another dentist... |
| 09:18.40 | RP | bluelightning: You're not from the UK are you? :-/ |
| 09:19.07 | XorA | yeah, we arent allowed dentists in the UK |
| 09:19.35 | bluelightning | RP: I was born there, moved here with my family when I was 7 |
| 09:19.44 | hrw|work | so you have to go to that one dentist and no other then that one? |
| 09:20.03 | XorA | hrw|work: the waiting queus are months if you try and switch |
| 09:20.19 | bluelightning | bugger :( |
| 09:20.20 | kergoth | thats messed up |
| 09:20.25 | XorA | hrw|work: and the dentists that will see you on Public Health Service often has 6 months to a year queus |
| 09:20.28 | RP | hrw|work: Its unlikely any other NHS dentist would see me... |
| 09:21.23 | hrw|work | weird.. |
| 09:21.47 | hrw|work | anyway I have to go to dentist soon - for control visit.. |
| 09:22.45 | schurig | that's another way to stop teeth pain |
| 09:22.50 | RP | schurig: :) |
| 09:23.15 | schurig | Ich bin der Doktor Eisenbart ... widewidewitt bumbum! |
| 09:24.01 | schurig | that's a german childrens song, "I am the docton ironbeard, ... trait the people my own way, I make the lame see once again and the blind walk happy away ..." |
| 09:24.21 | bluelightning | hehehe |
| 09:24.23 | koen | heh |
| 09:24.35 | RP | :) |
| 09:27.42 | RP | Hopefully I'll get a cancellation before then... |
| 09:32.30 | schurig | oh, our unix clock will be quite soon 1111111111 |
| 09:33.53 | hrw|work | schurig: time for party? |
| 09:34.10 | schurig | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57664 for the german enable persons here |
| 09:38.03 | hrw|work | I have an idea about kdepimpi packaging.. will leave 2.0.6 (stable) as default, and add 2.0.17 (development) with default_preference -1 |
| 09:38.27 | XorA | hrw|work: what tags is he using in CVS? might be worth just pulling |
| 09:38.34 | hrw|work | XorA: nothing |
| 09:39.08 | hrw|work | afaik |
| 09:39.12 | hrw|work | will check anyway |
| 09:40.00 | hrw|work | no tags ;( |
| 09:40.30 | hrw|work | anyway kdepimpi_cvs maybe is also worth re-adding |
| 09:41.51 | koen | hrw|work: noooo |
| 09:42.03 | koen | if you do that zautrix will break that |
| 09:42.08 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 09:42.48 | XorA | its times like this I wish I knew QT |
| 09:43.01 | hrw|work | XorA: and make a fork of his fork? |
| 09:43.22 | XorA | hrw|work: nah, fix whatever is missing in opie |
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| 09:44.05 | hrw|work | XorA: I miss kdepimpi-korganizer views in opie-datebook |
| 09:44.10 | XorA | hrw|work: there must be reasons why people want kdepim and not opie pim, these reasons could do with being in opie, Id love to do the project, but I wouldnt be able to start for 6 months until I leanred QT |
| 09:47.48 | hrw|work | argh... |
| 09:48.10 | hrw|work | 10:48 hrw@marcinj:0301$ bbread -b ../../openembedded/packages/kdepimpi/kdepimpi_2.0.17.bb |grep SRC_ |
| 09:48.12 | hrw|work | # SRC_URI=file://${FILE} |
| 09:48.15 | hrw|work | SRC_URI="file://conf/bitbake.conf" |
| 09:48.17 | hrw|work | SRC_URI = "${SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR}/kdepimpi/KDE-Pim-Pi_${PV}.tar.gz" |
| 09:48.26 | hrw|work | last line is from .bb file |
| 09:48.32 | hrw|work | but not from bbread... |
| 09:49.35 | hrw|work | anyone? |
| 09:51.10 | hrw|work | fscking " " |
| 09:51.13 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 09:51.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:51.34 | hrw|work | += add " ", _append not - right? |
| 09:51.38 | kergoth | now that i'm unemployed, i should work on the rewrite |
| 09:51.56 | greg72 | kergoth: do you irc during sleeping? |
| 09:52.00 | bluelightning | kergoth: not working at TI anymore? |
| 09:52.13 | kergoth | bluelightning: nah, i gave my 2 weeks notice a few days ago |
| 09:52.30 | kergoth | sick of being bored out of my mind and unable to be productive. just time to move on. find another position that fits me better |
| 09:52.44 | bluelightning | ok |
| 09:53.41 | RP | kergoth: Once you have the basics working, I'd be happy to help where I can. I'm probably going to need something there to start from though... |
| 09:54.27 | hrw|work | ~lart zautrix for rename ${S} |
| 09:54.37 | hrw|work | ~thx ibot |
| 09:55.23 | hrw|work | S = "${WORKDIR}/KDE-Pim%2fPi_${PV}" |
| 09:56.04 | hrw|work | someone want to take maintaince of that part of shi^H^Hoft? |
| 09:56.22 | greg72 | what package do you recommend me that's the easiest to build? |
| 09:56.31 | hrw|work | greg72: gtk-doc |
| 09:56.46 | greg72 | does it need uclibc? |
| 09:56.55 | hrw|work | it need nothing |
| 09:57.06 | hrw|work | network-suspend-scripts also are easy |
| 09:57.28 | hrw|work | greg72: or go to build "nano" as it was in oe wiki as 'first target' |
| 09:57.35 | greg72 | is it possible to run bitbake sessions in parallel? |
| 09:57.51 | hrw|work | greg72: you have few GiB of ram? |
| 09:58.20 | hrw|work | greg72: enable PARALLEL_MAKE in local.conf - this will add "-j4" for make |
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| 10:02.40 | SiO2[Tm] | hi |
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| 10:05.17 | chris144|work | good morning folks |
| 10:05.28 | hrw|work | heh.. kdepimpi 2.0.17 doesnt compile |
| 10:07.14 | SiO2[Tm] | know someone an ide-controllerchip for directconnectiing to a cpu? (an coldfire) |
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| 10:14.24 | RP | morning pb_ |
| 10:15.15 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
| 10:16.19 | pb_ | hi all |
| 10:25.26 | greg72 | I'm building gtk-doc. is this message normal? : NOTE: package glibc-2.3.2+cvs20040726: started |
| 10:25.35 | Twiun | hi pb_ |
| 10:25.44 | greg72 | I've set linux-uclibc in conf/local.conf |
| 10:25.56 | kergoth | greg72: sounds like you're using a DISTRO whose .conf sets TARGET_OS |
| 10:26.04 | kergoth | greg72: its overriding you. remove it from that .conf |
| 10:26.07 | kergoth | (the DISTRO .conf, that is) |
| 10:27.30 | greg72 | thx, you were right. |
| 10:27.44 | kergoth | np |
| 10:27.56 | kergoth | that probably belongs in an FAQ somewhere |
| 10:27.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 10:31.43 | kergoth | yay for shameless promotion of OE in a completely unrelated channel |
| 10:34.19 | kergoth | for anyone who hasnt seen it - http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html |
| 10:35.22 | zecke | hey |
| 10:37.05 | hrw|work | kergoth: great |
| 10:37.32 | kergoth | it works too :) |
| 10:37.40 | kergoth | someone needs to update GettingStarted |
| 10:39.39 | zecke | kergoth: The ISP did it again ;) |
| 10:39.49 | kergoth | zecke: just keep pestering me |
| 10:40.24 | zecke | kergoth: I could even send you the files and you send them back? |
| 10:40.43 | kergoth | hehe. thatll work |
| 10:41.26 | zecke | kergoth: damn, now I know where the problem is, I'm lazy as well |
| 10:41.31 | kergoth | haha |
| 10:41.46 | kergoth | i keep forgetting about it |
| 10:41.56 | kergoth | right now, its 4:40am, i'm sleeping soon |
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| 10:42.46 | zecke | kergoth: take the rest :) |
| 10:43.13 | kergoth | and what am i doing right now thats kept me up late? tagging and naming mp3s. thats what. |
| 10:43.19 | kergoth | i'm down to 309 albums remaining! |
| 10:43.23 | kergoth | progress. |
| 10:43.28 | zecke | kergoth: use music brainz? |
| 10:43.36 | koen | kergoth: no sed script? |
| 10:43.40 | zecke | hehe |
| 10:43.43 | kergoth | heard of it, but havent checked it out |
| 10:43.57 | kergoth | koen: heh, show me how to use sed to manipulate tags in audio files, and i'll be all over it :) |
| 10:43.58 | zecke | kergoth: apt-get install amarok |
| 10:44.04 | kergoth | actually i hear the mmpython module works well |
| 10:44.11 | kergoth | tempted to use that for my tagging script neds |
| 10:44.12 | kergoth | needs |
| 10:44.51 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 10:44.54 | pb_ | hi zecke |
| 10:45.00 | kergoth | morning pb_ |
| 10:45.04 | Twiun | zecke: how's your java coding going? |
| 10:46.05 | hrw|work | kergoth: use sed with mp3info |
| 10:46.15 | zecke | Twiun: hehe, stalled |
| 10:46.26 | hrw|work | NOTE:[11:45] package kdepimpi-2.0.18+cvs-20050318-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 10:46.27 | zecke | Twiun: I've been playing Black Mirror with my girl friend |
| 10:46.35 | zecke | hrw|work: congrats |
| 10:47.11 | hrw|work | btw - can I have do_unstage() in recipe to clean staging before building? |
| 10:47.14 | zecke | hrw|work: Lutz switches version numbers more often than his underwear? Hmm that sounds more mean than I wanted to sound... |
| 10:47.17 | Twiun | zecke: I'm not familiar with that game. Is it some new kinky couple's thing? |
| 10:47.35 | zecke | Twiun: oh just a bug pestered Advanture game |
| 10:47.38 | hrw|work | zecke: I farts in their direction anyway |
| 10:48.54 | Twiun | zecke: that's ok then... bit like the wife and I with World Of Warcraft |
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| 10:57.40 | kergoth | i'm doing my best to avoid playing WoW |
| 10:57.50 | kergoth | mostly because i cant afford to be addicted to it. i dont have enough time as it is |
| 11:04.15 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 11:08.49 | kergoth | pb_: http://kergoth.com/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=misc&path=%2Ftrunk%2Flibfoo%2Fm4%2Finternal%2Fplugins.m4&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 11:10.50 | Bernardo | good morning |
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| 11:11.31 | pb_ | kergoth: cute |
| 11:11.33 | hrw|work | Bernardo: hi |
| 11:12.16 | hrw|work | Bernardo: kdepimpi 2.0.17 released, 2.0.18 in cvs |
| 11:12.51 | Bernardo | I saw that, will he brand it stable, or remove it in a couple of days? |
| 11:13.00 | hrw|work | dont know |
| 11:13.04 | kergoth | pb_: really simple, yet really annoying to get happy. guess thats the usual with m4 |
| 11:13.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:13.20 | hrw|work | Bernardo: I plan to add 2.0.17 but mark 2.0.6 as default one |
| 11:13.30 | Bernardo | pb_: I saw you found out what was wrong with automake last night, is there a fix already? |
| 11:13.48 | Bernardo | hrw|work: probably the sensible thing to do... |
| 11:14.24 | hrw|work | Bernardo: was thinking about getting kdepimpi_cvs.bb again but dont know is it a good idea |
| 11:14.41 | hrw|work | Bernardo: anyway 2.0.17 is buildable, 2.0.18(cvs) works now on my collie |
| 11:15.35 | Bernardo | good. Now, all I need is a (easy) outlook sync to be able to get my calendar and contacts synced with those at work... And to be able to convince a couple of coleagues to switch their pdas to linux |
| 11:16.02 | hrw|work | hmm.. "bk cp" is not always good way.. whole history is copied.. |
| 11:16.41 | kergoth | hrw|work: yeah, it drags a lot of baggage with it, especially if you end up making huge changes anyway |
| 11:17.06 | pb_ | Bernardo: not yet, I got embroiled in preparing for our AGM this afternoon. |
| 11:17.11 | pb_ | I'll try to work on the automake thing after lunch. |
| 11:17.48 | Bernardo | pb_: thanks. |
| 11:19.03 | hrw|work | its good that 'bk undo' exists |
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| 11:22.27 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah. it'd be nice if there was a way to record "this file was copied from <other filename>", rather than duplicating its entire history. |
| 11:22.48 | mickeyl | morning |
| 11:22.53 | bluelightning | hi mickeyl |
| 11:22.55 | koen | 'morning mickeyl |
| 11:22.57 | pb_ | I usually just use regular cp and "bk new" when adding new versions, which isn't entirely satisfactory either. |
| 11:23.11 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 11:23.15 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl |
| 11:23.37 | kergoth | yeah, i agree |
| 11:25.05 | greg72 | NOTE: package uclibc-0.9.27-r2: task do_configure: completed |
| 11:25.05 | greg72 | NOTE: package uclibc-0.9.27-r2: task do_compile: started |
| 11:25.05 | greg72 | ERROR: function do_compile failed |
| 11:25.05 | greg72 | ERROR: log data follows (/opt/openembedded/tmp/work/uclibc-0.9.27-r2/temp/log.do_compile.18934) |
| 11:25.05 | greg72 | | NOTE: make OPTIMIZATION= CPU_CFLAGS=-fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 STRIPTOOL=true LD=arm-linux-uclibc-ld LOCALE_DATA_FILENAME=uClibc-locale-030818.arm.tgz |
| 11:25.08 | greg72 | | make: arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: Command not found |
| 11:25.17 | greg72 | I was trying to build gtk-doc |
| 11:25.18 | RP | morning mickeyl |
| 11:25.23 | kergoth | greg72: sounds like you didnt wipe tmp when changing your TARGET_OS |
| 11:25.25 | kergoth | greg72: do so |
| 11:25.40 | greg72 | bitbake -cclean? |
| 11:25.43 | kergoth | no |
| 11:25.46 | kergoth | rm -rf tmp |
| 11:27.04 | kergoth | changing your target os or architecture is a major move, it requires a wipe of tmp |
| 11:28.25 | koen | kergoth: an extension to multimachine.inc could solve that |
| 11:29.09 | kergoth | whats missing from it? |
| 11:29.13 | kergoth | it should work as is, i'd think |
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| 11:29.29 | kergoth | since the toolchain prefixes would change, sharing tmp/cross should be fine |
| 11:29.38 | koen | ah yes |
| 11:29.47 | koen | I wasn't sure about targetos |
| 11:29.50 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3098 10openembedded/packages/kdepimpi/kdepimpi_2.0.17.bb: added development version 2.0.17 of kdepimpi (marked as non-default) |
| 11:29.51 | kergoth | gb2 did some work on uclibc and glibc toolchains being able to live together |
| 11:29.58 | kergoth | -should- work, given those changes |
| 11:30.01 | kergoth | if it doesnt, its just a bug |
| 11:30.18 | hrw|work | Bernardo: try that |
| 11:30.55 | Bernardo | hrw|work: now I can't - I'm at work, only have windoze here |
| 11:31.06 | Bernardo | I'll try later, when I get home |
| 11:31.15 | hrw|work | ok |
| 11:31.24 | koen | kergoth: I have $DISTRO in tmpdir now, so I can switch fram familiar to OZ without wiping tmp |
| 11:31.30 | kergoth | ah thats nice |
| 11:31.39 | kergoth | since the package_arch doesnt reflect changes to distro policy |
| 11:32.05 | kergoth | multidistro.inc? ;) |
| 11:32.09 | koen | heh |
| 11:34.21 | hrw|work | heh.. our subcompany have examine center.. but for free I can get only M$ certs... |
| 11:34.22 | koen | 5.30? |
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| 11:52.30 | reenoo_ | afternoon |
| 11:54.30 | Twiun | hiya |
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| 12:00.21 | reenoo_ | yo Twiun |
| 12:02.46 | bluelightning | hi reenoo_ |
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| 12:04.16 | greg72 | http://pastebin.ca/7691 is my error message building gtk-doc on collie/familiar. Any hint? |
| 12:04.49 | mickeyl | our uclibc build has no iconv features |
| 12:04.56 | mickeyl | for uclibc you need to disable gtk-doc using iconv |
| 12:05.01 | kergoth | eh? |
| 12:05.14 | kergoth | our uclibc does indeed get built with iconv, just not default |
| 12:05.23 | kergoth | and gtk-doc _can_ suppor ticonv even if uclibc doesnt |
| 12:05.25 | mickeyl | s/our/our default/ |
| 12:05.30 | kergoth | no. |
| 12:05.36 | kergoth | i changed that a week or two ago |
| 12:05.40 | mickeyl | oh |
| 12:05.43 | mickeyl | that went unnoticed |
| 12:05.46 | mickeyl | to me |
| 12:05.51 | kergoth | the uclibc build is now only building with nls if USE_NLS is _yes_ |
| 12:05.58 | kergoth | not if its _not no_ |
| 12:06.01 | kergoth | thereby changing hte default |
| 12:06.25 | reenoo_ | hey bluelightning |
| 12:06.49 | mickeyl | how many kb adds nls up to uclibc ? |
| 12:07.03 | kergoth | its massive. _massive_. |
| 12:07.14 | kergoth | really really ineffient message format |
| 12:07.23 | kergoth | mjn3 wants to rework it extensively |
| 12:07.26 | mickeyl | ok, then we want to stay away from it generally |
| 12:07.28 | kergoth | we're best off keeping it disabled |
| 12:07.34 | kergoth | and use the external libiconv and gettext |
| 12:07.37 | kergoth | for packages that need nls |
| 12:07.41 | kergoth | (i.e. glib-2.0) |
| 12:08.24 | mickeyl | so how can greg72 fix gtk-doc for uclibc ? |
| 12:08.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, i think the problem is you cant build libstdc++ with nls support if uclibc doesnt have it. |
| 12:08.58 | kergoth | mickeyl: and he isnt specifying a USE_NLS for the gcc-cross, etc |
| 12:09.00 | mickeyl | uh oh, right. that's stl |
| 12:09.08 | kergoth | i bet USE_NLS_gcc-cross = "no" would solve this |
| 12:09.23 | mickeyl | worth a try |
| 12:09.30 | kergoth | err, assuming gcc-cross inherits gettext, since thats the only thing that obeys it |
| 12:09.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 12:09.50 | kergoth | if gcc-cross doesnt use gettext, we'll have to have it adjust to USE_NLS manually |
| 12:10.02 | kergoth | greg72: here, do this. |
| 12:10.04 | greg72 | simply put it into a .conf file? |
| 12:10.06 | kergoth | USE_NLS = "no" |
| 12:10.11 | kergoth | USE_NLS_glib-2.0 = "yes" |
| 12:10.13 | kergoth | that should do it. |
| 12:10.19 | kergoth | into your local.conf |
| 12:10.25 | kergoth | then -wipe- tmp (yes, again) |
| 12:10.29 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:10.30 | kergoth | and let us know if that takes care of it |
| 12:10.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:11.12 | kergoth | note: kergoth debugging at 6am without sleep might not be the most logical |
| 12:17.01 | mickeyl | ah that pma one? |
| 12:17.05 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:17.08 | mickeyl | slightly confused person |
| 12:17.16 | koen | OOO on a pda.... |
| 12:17.17 | pb_ | greg72: don't worry. blaming trolltech is not a sign of ill health. |
| 12:17.24 | kergoth | thats one of those ones that went directly to /dev/null, here |
| 12:18.02 | mickeyl | oe@handhelds.org = OpenEffice mailing list |
| 12:18.09 | greg72 | pb_: I thought of the stroke... |
| 12:19.08 | greg72 | OFFTOPIC: why should one blame trolltech, by the way? I was developing with Qt and it was OK |
| 12:19.47 | mickeyl | Qt is great |
| 12:19.52 | mickeyl | it's not Oslo to blame |
| 12:19.52 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:20.07 | mickeyl | Brisbane makes some disputable moves |
| 12:20.57 | koen | greg72: I overgeneralized by doing "html mail with smileyss -> qtopia user -> trolltech" |
| 12:22.07 | greg72 | koen: nice way of creating scapegoat >:-)> |
| 12:22.09 | bluelightning | you only have to look at the images included in the email to judge the intelligence level of the poster |
| 12:22.10 | koen | the same way you can blame lisp for causing gnome |
| 12:24.43 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3099 10openembedded/packages/meta/opie-collections.inc: ship opie-qss in the default image |
| 12:25.08 | greg72 | it went across gcc-cross (sorry for the pun) |
| 12:25.22 | koen | heh |
| 12:26.38 | greg72 | oops, it was gcc-cross-initial only... :-/ |
| 12:32.35 | greg72 | NOTE: package gtk-doc-1.0: completed |
| 12:32.35 | greg72 | NOTE: build 200503181312: completed |
| 12:32.35 | greg72 | Build statistics: |
| 12:32.35 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.35 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.42 | greg72 | kergoth: thanks for the hint. |
| 12:33.14 | greg72 | now I will try to do something more difficult. |
| 12:34.34 | hrw|work | greg72: try nano |
| 12:35.12 | greg72 | kergoth: what config needs the two variables set? USE_NLS = "no" |
| 12:35.12 | greg72 | USE_NLS_glib-2.0 = "yes" |
| 12:35.42 | reenoo_ | 01:20PM <kergoth> into your local.conf |
| 12:36.16 | greg72 | sorry, that was clear, but was it arm-specific or collie or familiar-specific? |
| 12:36.40 | kergoth | nls support is likely a distribution policy decision |
| 12:36.55 | kergoth | but there's nothing wrong with the builder exerting control over distribution policies. |
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| 12:42.05 | greg72 | why can't I find gtk-doc ipk package in tmp/deploy/ipk? |
| 12:42.10 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.10 | greg72 | ldd_0.9.27-r2_arm.ipk libgcc1_3.4.3-r9_arm.ipk libthread-db1_0.9.27-r2_arm.ipk m4-doc_1.4.2-r0_arm.ipk uclibc-dev_0.9.27-r2_arm.ipk |
| 12:42.10 | greg72 | libg2c0_3.4.3-r9_arm.ipk libstdc++6_3.4.3-r9_arm.ipk m4_1.4.2-r0_arm.ipk uclibc_0.9.27-r2_arm.ipk uclibc-utils_0.9.27-r2_arm.ipk |
| 12:45.22 | mickeyl | did you inherit a distro that inherits package_ipk ? |
| 12:45.28 | mickeyl | or did you INHERIT it yourself ? |
| 12:45.48 | mickeyl | and deos gtk-doc package things up at all yet? |
| 12:45.53 | mickeyl | does, even |
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| 12:46.27 | greg72 | INHERIT += "package_ipk debian" |
| 12:46.34 | greg72 | was in familiar.conf |
| 12:46.48 | greg72 | so, gtk-doc is useless yet? |
| 12:46.58 | mickeyl | good so far. then rebuild gtk-doc and look out for packaging output |
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| 12:47.30 | greg72 | i did a rebuild but nothing was done. Should I invoke bitbake -cclean? |
| 12:47.42 | mickeyl | "nothing was done" |
| 12:47.49 | mickeyl | post the output containing hints about packaging |
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| 12:48.33 | kergoth | this seems familiar |
| 12:48.41 | kergoth | mickeyl: i think someone added 'gtk-doc' as a native package. |
| 12:48.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: without calling it -native. and didnt add the target one at all. |
| 12:48.55 | mickeyl | urghs |
| 12:49.09 | pb_ | iirc, our "gtk-doc" package only stages an .m4 file. |
| 12:49.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 12:49.17 | pb_ | it doesn't ship anything at all |
| 12:49.19 | mickeyl | that explains |
| 12:49.52 | pb_ | should probably rename that to gtk-doc-aclocal or something, in case someone wants to add the real gtk-doc. |
| 12:50.02 | kergoth | yeah |
| 12:50.02 | greg72 | NOTE: build 200503181348: completed |
| 12:50.02 | greg72 | Build statistics: |
| 12:50.02 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.17 | greg72 | that was the output |
| 12:50.51 | mickeyl | hmm tiny OT question... is there a tool to resize reiserfs partitions? |
| 12:50.53 | mickeyl | (on the fly) |
| 12:51.37 | mickeyl | ~lart mickeyl for stupid partitioning ending up with free space always on the wrong partition |
| 12:51.48 | reenoo_ | heh.. if there was I wouldn't trust my data to it |
| 12:53.08 | pb_ | mickeyl: iirc, reiserfs can resize itself |
| 12:53.20 | pb_ | I suspect it can only grow, though, not shrink. |
| 12:54.29 | mickeyl | hmm, that'd be ok |
| 12:54.48 | greg72 | is it possible to use <oeroot>/myarch-build and a conf/local.conf there (with a separate tmp dir) if I want to cross-compile to several architectures? bitbake only writes to tmp, doesn't it? |
| 12:55.11 | pb_ | ah, here we go |
| 12:55.14 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.14 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.14 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.19 | pb_ | that sounds like what you need |
| 12:56.11 | mickeyl | ah very nice, thanks |
| 12:56.31 | mickeyl | i'm going to try tha |
| 12:56.32 | mickeyl | t |
| 13:03.53 | pb_ | good luck |
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| 13:14.34 | reenoo_ | LICENSE = "GPL LGPL W3C Classpath BSD" |
| 13:14.51 | reenoo_ | I hope that covers everything in kaffe now |
| 13:32.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/05/03/18/0255216.shtml?tid=156&tid=162&tid=106 - That's nice :) |
| 13:33.41 | Bernardo | Cwiiis[uni]: the opensource bk client? |
| 13:34.28 | Cwiiis[uni] | Bernardo: Yup |
| 13:34.53 | Bernardo | I'll try during this weekend |
| 13:35.20 | Bernardo | hopefully it won't make the same mess that the closed source one does whenever I try to install it |
| 13:36.14 | bluelightning | heh NWL |
| 13:36.20 | bluelightning | "No Whining Licence" |
| 13:36.21 | bluelightning | LOL |
| 13:37.28 | Bernardo | :) But if you check the posting on lkml you'll see it is actually BSD, NWL was just a joke |
| 13:38.13 | kergoth | it seems to work pretty well |
| 13:38.33 | Bernardo | you're using it already, kergoth ? |
| 13:38.55 | kergoth | myself and gb2 and andersee played with it earlier |
| 13:38.59 | kergoth | i use bk |
| 13:40.13 | Bernardo | bbl |
| 13:40.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 13:41.10 | Cwiiis[uni] | No need for an OE cvs mirror anymore? :) |
| 13:41.25 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 13:41.26 | kergoth | right |
| 13:41.38 | Crofton | up early kergoth ? |
| 13:41.45 | kergoth | though we havent yet seen how the open source clietn handles local modifications |
| 13:41.51 | kergoth | so cvs may still be useful. will see |
| 13:41.59 | kergoth | Crofton: nah, didnt sleep again |
| 13:42.03 | Cwiiis[uni] | right, time to go to the bank, ask my boss for time off and go home... bbl |
| 13:43.01 | Crofton | I need to go shower and go over to school and hope everything is better with the OSK |
| 13:43.24 | Crofton | or take the cover of the webpla .. |
| 13:44.37 | CIA-8 | 03RP 07 * r1.3100 10openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.11.bb: openzaurus-2.6: Dirks updates to Tosa and some w100fb updates |
| 13:53.28 | Crofton | It sucks getting old |
| 13:53.47 | Crofton | I can't read th number of the flash chip without mechanical assistance |
| 14:10.38 | hrw|work | heh.. someone locked repo |
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| 14:29.41 | hrw|work | kergoth: you larts more buildsystems then normal developer will see in years |
| 14:29.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:29.46 | kergoth | so true |
| 14:32.25 | mickeyl | ~emulate kergoth |
| 14:32.26 | ibot | ACTION hacks on bitbake, openembedded, openzaurus, and other projects and wields a mean wootz damascus steel cluebat |
| 14:32.35 | mickeyl | oh that has been changed |
| 14:32.42 | mickeyl | i kinda preferred the olderone |
| 14:32.54 | kergoth | what was the old one again? |
| 14:33.01 | mickeyl | something with "mutters about build systems" |
| 14:33.30 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 14:33.38 | kergoth | UGH |
| 14:33.42 | kergoth | new one for my buildsystems page |
| 14:33.50 | kergoth | DO NOT RUN UNIT TESTS DURING FUCKING COMPILE OR FUCKING INSTALL |
| 14:36.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:36.32 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10052 |
| 14:37.10 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, about 6 jobs will be opening up in about 3 months |
| 14:41.35 | wrobbie | hello again.. how can i do a specific do_* task for a specific .bb file? For example, do_configure for my glibc.*.bb. Is that a bitbake -c command? |
| 14:42.24 | kergoth | yes, thats what -c does. |
| 14:42.28 | kergoth | pass -c configure |
| 14:42.39 | wrobbie | that simple eh? :) |
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| 14:50.50 | wrobbie | I'd like to try adding --with-tls --without-__thread to my glibc build.. Now where do I put this -- I assume I don't have to add it to the .bb? |
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| 14:55.47 | wrobbie | Ah, GLIBC_EXTRA_OECONF |
| 14:57.59 | hrw|work | who locked repo? |
| 14:58.10 | mickey|lunch | i'm afraid it's me |
| 14:58.30 | mickeyl | cloning here |
| 14:58.42 | koen|train | mickeyl: cloning shouldn't lock anymore |
| 14:58.43 | mickeyl | should've cloned the anon repo and then reparent'ed |
| 14:58.45 | mickeyl | next time |
| 15:00.09 | kergoth | cloning shouldnt lock during the transfer |
| 15:00.19 | kergoth | only the setup bits, which dont take long |
| 15:00.24 | kergoth | from what i heard from bitmover last |
| 15:02.08 | kergoth | whew, got it |
| 15:02.51 | kergoth | NOTE: package bazaar-1.2: completed |
| 15:02.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:03.49 | hrw|work | mickeyl: you are still cloning? |
| 15:04.02 | hrw|work | since ~15:00 |
| 15:04.30 | kergoth | openembedded: Entire repository is locked by: |
| 15:04.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.27 | hrw|work | anyway it's small change to meta-opie so it can wait |
| 15:07.22 | wrobbie | anyone know if there's a way to disable NLS everywhere? Must pass --disable-nls to everything, separately? |
| 15:09.15 | mickeyl | hrw|work: yep, still cloning. my connection went down to just a couple of kb/se |
| 15:09.15 | mickeyl | c |
| 15:09.24 | mickeyl | looks like german telecom has problems |
| 15:09.28 | mickeyl | or something along the way |
| 15:11.20 | Twiun | woohoo! |
| 15:11.30 | Twiun | we got an e680 to play with in the office |
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| 15:14.12 | Twiun | and an a678i |
| 15:14.35 | mickeyl | the MOT phone? |
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| 15:15.09 | Twiun | yeah |
| 15:15.19 | Twiun | err, 768i even |
| 15:15.29 | Twiun | ain't charging though |
| 15:17.50 | Twiun | ah, there we go |
| 15:18.38 | Twiun | interesting... it loaded without needing my sim card pin |
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| 15:29.52 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:29.59 | Twiun | hiya |
| 15:30.07 | koen|train | 'morning chouimat |
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| 15:41.12 | kergoth | ~fishslap mickeyl |
| 15:41.14 | ibot | ACTION slaps mickeyl up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:41.35 | hrw|work | kergoth: still cloning? |
| 15:41.41 | kergoth | apparently :) |
| 15:41.41 | zecke | hehe mickeyl got degraded to a modem user :} |
| 15:42.17 | mickeyl | nearly finished |
| 15:42.21 | hrw|work | someone should donate him 56k modem to replace that 1200bps acoustic one |
| 15:42.22 | mickeyl | i'am at 'o' atm. |
| 15:42.31 | kergoth | well, at least we have confirmation that the problem still exists |
| 15:42.36 | kergoth | so the devel repo has to stick arond |
| 15:43.25 | hrw|work | ok. time to shutdown, switch hdd master/slave, get some data and go home |
| 15:43.39 | hrw|work | I have one private small cms to write |
| 15:45.10 | mickeyl | hmm any e2fsprogs-1.36 is out |
| 15:45.15 | mickeyl | no patches apply any more :/ |
| 15:45.28 | mickeyl | that's what we get for not submitting stuff upstream |
| 15:46.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:46.09 | mickeyl | well it's been nearly a year since the WIP-04.. |
| 15:46.14 | kergoth | if we had enough maintainers, maybe we'd be able to do stuff like that. |
| 15:46.19 | mickeyl | sure |
| 15:47.20 | hrw|work | maintaince... I proposed qpe-vexed to |
| 15:47.28 | hrw|work | Vitaliy Pronkin - no answer |
| 15:47.47 | hrw|work | I will drop kdepimpi official maintaince before oz 3.5.3 release |
| 15:48.05 | reenoo_ | ~lart overly pedantic version checks |
| 15:49.09 | RP | mickeyl: I tried a build of linux 2.6.12-rc1 for the c7x0 and its going to be a right mess to switch to in due course :-/ |
| 15:49.27 | mickeyl | bummer. why that? |
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| 15:49.51 | RP | The upstream merged patches are developing a life of their own and causing me headaches... |
| 15:50.08 | hrw|work | fsck... I have to regenerate qpf-fonts.. |
| 15:50.13 | CosmicPenguin | Welcome to the wonderful world of build maintainer |
| 15:51.05 | RP | It's be ok if I could updates all the patches but I can't change the tosa/poodle ones as they're on JL's or Dirks servers... |
| 15:51.27 | RP | So if I move to 2.6.12-rc1, I have to drop poodle/tosa support... |
| 15:51.39 | RP | or break it at the very least |
| 15:51.50 | mickeyl | well, i won't propose using a bk tree as parent of linux-2.6 again, but 'ya know... it would ease things |
| 15:51.54 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 15:52.15 | RP | It eases some things and makes others more difficult... |
| 15:52.33 | RP | With the patches seperate, I can pick on changes to push easily... |
| 15:53.51 | hrw|work | bye |
| 15:53.58 | koen|train | 'bye hrw|afk |
| 15:53.58 | mickeyl | cya hrw|afk |
| 15:53.59 | RP | ttfn hrw|work |
| 15:54.18 | RP | Sooner or later, we'll hopefully not have any corgi patches :) (yeah, right ;-) |
| 15:54.24 | koen|train | next stop: parents |
| 15:54.29 | koen|train | bbl |
| 15:55.51 | mickeyl | clone finished |
| 15:55.53 | mickeyl | phew |
| 15:56.08 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3103 10openembedded/packages/bazaar/bazaar_1.2.bb: Make the bazaar .bb install its bazaar-gpg-check awk script, and RSUGGESTS gnupg. |
| 15:56.11 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3102 10openembedded/packages/neon/neon_0.24.7.bb: neon: fix LICENSE. Bump PR. Pass --enable-shared --enable-static. Add a do_stage. |
| 15:56.14 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3097.1.1 10openembedded/packages/bazaar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add bazaar 1.2 (an implementation of GNU Arch in C, based on tla). |
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| 16:12.46 | kergoth | heh, there, now can check out arch repos in an oe rootfs |
| 16:12.49 | kergoth | need svn yet though |
| 16:15.07 | reenoo_ | neato |
| 16:16.00 | kergoth | baz seems pretty nice |
| 16:16.06 | kergoth | definately easier than tla |
| 16:18.52 | hrw|afk | re |
| 16:19.25 | hrw | my 'mobile' hdd broke.. 17GB lost until I re-solder power connector.. |
| 16:20.25 | wrobbie | kergoth: glibc builds properly with '--with-tls --without-__thread' for i586 |
| 16:20.32 | kergoth | wrobbie: ah! |
| 16:20.41 | wrobbie | My 1st oe image, whoo! |
| 16:20.45 | kergoth | so whats that do, do we want it for all archs? |
| 16:20.47 | kergoth | pb_? |
| 16:21.32 | wrobbie | tls is detected by configure, but --with-__thread doesn't go with that |
| 16:21.53 | wrobbie | so if you want tls, must add --without-__thread |
| 16:22.39 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3098.1.1 10openembedded/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: added more fonts to meta-opie |
| 16:22.51 | wrobbie | I have no idea why I'm the 1st to find that out -- either nobody builds i586, or my setup is screwy :) |
| 16:23.15 | kergoth | huh, interesting |
| 16:23.36 | kergoth | i do builds for i686 all the time |
| 16:23.42 | kergoth | but i've never done an i586 |
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| 16:23.49 | gb2 | that sounds like it should endup being compiler dependant |
| 16:24.11 | gb2 | that's referring to the __thread decorator to indicate thread-local variables right? |
| 16:24.15 | wrobbie | yes, i read somewhere that i686 works, due to #ifdefs somewhere. or something. etcetera :) |
| 16:24.30 | gb2 | i686 should have __thread |
| 16:24.35 | gb2 | below that may not |
| 16:24.48 | gb2 | because of ifdefs yeah, iirc |
| 16:24.56 | kergoth | so why the hell cant the glibc build figure it out? |
| 16:24.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25.15 | prpplague^2 | kergoth: you get around to re-writing the inode calcs for genext2fs? |
| 16:25.30 | wrobbie | dunno.. too complicated to get into that, heh |
| 16:25.33 | kergoth | prpplague^2: briefly. the biggest issue is now gone. |
| 16:25.55 | kergoth | prpplague^2: when the calc code got added, the logic was altered, when you didnt specify the max # of inodes, it used the calculated amount |
| 16:26.00 | kergoth | prpplague^2: which is almost highly minimal |
| 16:26.29 | kergoth | i recently ch anged it to only use the calc code if the "inodes per block" * # of blocks wasnt sufficient to hold the data |
| 16:26.32 | prpplague^2 | kergoth: i assume that the changes are part of a patch in oe ? |
| 16:26.43 | kergoth | so in other words, by default, a big image will have free inodes to use that free space |
| 16:26.50 | kergoth | which wasnt true previously in patched genext2fs's |
| 16:27.10 | prpplague^2 | kergoth: ok thanks, i'll pull a copy |
| 16:27.12 | kergoth | before, you'd create a 1 gig image, and 5 megs of data went into it, but you'd have no free inodes :) |
| 16:27.25 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 16:27.50 | prpplague | kergoth: one of these days i'm gonna try oe again, hehe |
| 16:27.53 | chouimat | hi prpplague kergoth |
| 16:27.57 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 16:28.13 | pb_ | kergoth: I'm fairly sure that --with-__thread should work on i586. I don't know what would be going wrong there. |
| 16:28.20 | kergoth | k |
| 16:29.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: ping |
| 16:30.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: our distutils modifications are breaking python packages. |
| 16:30.12 | kergoth | kergoth@colinux:~$ cat /usr/bin/bitbake|head -n 1 |
| 16:30.12 | kergoth | #!/home/kergoth/code/build-x86/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/python |
| 16:30.38 | kergoth | we should change it to use '#!/usr/bin/env python' by default. let it find it at runtime |
| 16:31.18 | kergoth | note that, of course, itll only dot hat if python-native was built before that package was. |
| 16:31.22 | kergoth | heh |
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| 16:45.27 | kergoth | @familyguy |
| 16:45.28 | kbot | kergoth: <Peter> Make like Siamese twins and split ... and then one of you die. |
| 16:46.21 | XorA | --allow-secret-key-import/quit home |
| 16:46.27 | XorA | oops sorry |
| 16:50.12 | hrw | bye - have a nice weekend all |
| 16:53.37 | Bernardo | bye hrw|gone |
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| 17:01.48 | kergoth | aw |
| 17:01.52 | kergoth | baz doesnt work in an oe rootfs |
| 17:01.58 | kergoth | it calls out tar with an argumetn busybox tar doesnt support |
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| 17:04.20 | kergoth | ~nslookup busybox.net |
| 17:08.07 | andersee | kergoth: problems with busybox? |
| 17:09.05 | kergoth | andersee: nah, just a trivial missing tar option. -m. glenn posted a patch to the list a while back |
| 17:12.46 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3100.1.4 10openembedded/classes/ccache.inc: |
| 17:12.48 | CIA-8 | Add ccache.inc, which: |
| 17:12.50 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.52 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.54 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.19 | pb_ | ah, good idea |
| 17:17.07 | zecke | ~praise kergoth |
| 17:17.09 | ibot | All hail kergoth! |
| 17:17.12 | kergoth | try it out, make sure nothing explodes horribly |
| 17:17.17 | kergoth | seems to be fine here |
| 17:17.29 | kergoth | just sets CCACHE_DIR to CCACHE_DIR_TARGET, and defines a defautl value for it |
| 17:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | pb_: heh - did you get the the bug I wrote last hight against ipkg-utils? |
| 17:24.04 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: about the missing COPYING file? yeah. |
| 17:24.15 | pb_ | seems like it should be fairly easy to fix. |
| 17:25.12 | CosmicPenguin | pb_: ok. I know its trivial, but we're just trying to be extra careful. Plenty of SCOs out there... :) |
| 17:26.58 | pb_ | right |
| 17:28.58 | kergoth | tar: unrecognized option `--preserve' |
| 17:29.00 | kergoth | bah! |
| 17:29.09 | zecke | mickeyl: don't you want to send the getkey applet for busybox inclusion? |
| 17:29.37 | kergoth | why wouldnt baz pass the short form? course busybox doesnt support that either |
| 17:29.44 | kergoth | but it seems silly to use --preserve where -p will do |
| 17:32.49 | kergoth | damnit, yeah, baz needs a real tar. oh well, the -m option is still useful and doesnt add much size |
| 17:34.14 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:34.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:35.06 | pb_ | ah hell, time for the poxy AGM |
| 17:35.11 | kergoth | heh. have fun |
| 17:35.20 | pb_ | unlikely, but I'll try |
| 17:35.23 | pb_ | later all |
| 17:36.59 | reenoo_ | hrm |
| 17:37.06 | reenoo_ | unparsed line: 'pkg_postinst_${PN}() {' |
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| 17:53.22 | kergoth | oops, forgot to add 'patch' to the depends of bazaar |
| 17:53.24 | kergoth | it works now :) |
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| 17:57.29 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3104 10openembedded/packages/bazaar/bazaar_1.2.bb: Add 'patch' to the RDEPENDS of bazaar. It works now, if you install GNU's tar instead of busybox's. |
| 17:57.51 | kergoth | need to revisit using update-alternatives or something |
| 17:59.44 | CoreDump|home | the guys who wrote update-alternatives and update-rc.d shout be shot IMO. The command syntax is a total pain and --help ain't very useful, too |
| 17:59.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:59.58 | kergoth | blame the debian folks |
| 18:00.02 | CoreDump|home | i do |
| 18:00.04 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 18:00.11 | CoreDump|home | i'm running SID though heh |
| 18:01.28 | kergoth | heh, write a new one that has easier syntax then. keep the old ones around for compatibility |
| 18:02.49 | CoreDump|home | kergoth: I'm to lazy for that ;) I have to use these tool maybe 3 times a year. Isn't worth the effort. |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:04.26 | kergoth | i actually like chkconfig, syntax wise |
| 18:04.35 | kergoth | dont really like the embedded metadata in the scripts, but.. |
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| 18:14.33 | kergoth | i should setup a vim macro to dump a template .bb |
| 18:14.35 | kergoth | save time |
| 18:18.20 | gb2 | kergoth: do you have a vim syntax file for it yet? |
| 18:18.42 | kergoth | its in the bitbake repo |
| 18:18.44 | kergoth | contrib/ |
| 18:19.34 | gb2 | cool |
| 18:19.52 | kergoth | had to learn vim syntax while i was doing it, so could probably use some tweaking |
| 18:19.54 | kergoth | but it works |
| 18:20.09 | kergoth | the annoying bit was highlighting the bash tasks as bash and python as python |
| 18:20.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20.16 | gb2 | I've wondered how to do multi-language syntax files |
| 18:20.30 | gb2 | do you actually use multi-language? or do you just do some simple things? |
| 18:20.42 | emte | mine are multilanguage ... |
| 18:20.58 | emte | you can actually get most from vim's site |
| 18:21.09 | emte | good for 20 or so ... |
| 18:21.19 | kergoth | syn include @shell syntax/sh.vim |
| 18:21.32 | kergoth | syn region bbShellFuncRegion»···matchgroup=bbDelimiter start="{\s*$" end="^}\s*$" keepend contained contains=@shell |
| 18:21.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:21.43 | gb2 | I need aa good python mode for vim, something that makes things like % useful for doing block finding |
| 18:22.02 | gb2 | heh, you do the same visible tab thing i do :) |
| 18:22.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:22.19 | kergoth | hey, does your vimrc adapt to non-utf8 locales? |
| 18:22.21 | kergoth | for that character? |
| 18:22.25 | kergoth | i need to figure out hwo to do that |
| 18:22.26 | gb2 | I need to make mine behave for that .. |
| 18:22.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:22.29 | gb2 | tha'ts my problem right now |
| 18:22.35 | kergoth | i keep copying it to other boxes |
| 18:22.38 | kergoth | and it looks like shit |
| 18:22.48 | gb2 | i have alot of issues since I have utf8 in some places, and non-utf in others |
| 18:22.54 | gb2 | i wish ssh translated |
| 18:22.55 | kergoth | yeah, same |
| 18:23.01 | kergoth | all the boxes i maintain are utf8 |
| 18:23.03 | kergoth | the rest.. |
| 18:23.06 | gb2 | yeah |
| 18:23.16 | gb2 | i've reverted to making everything latin1 |
| 18:23.18 | gb2 | sucks |
| 18:24.37 | gb2 | you should be able to do an "if encoding = utf-8" in vim and reset those |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i was about to say |
| 18:25.31 | gb2 | oh, you have iconv() within vim |
| 18:25.34 | kergoth | were you in ':help utf-8' too? |
| 18:25.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:25.43 | gb2 | :help iconv() |
| 18:25.50 | kergoth | oh, neat |
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| 18:27.36 | gb2 | http://www.bedroomlan.org/~alexios/coding_ttyconv.html |
| 18:27.38 | gb2 | oooh |
| 18:27.53 | kergoth | sweet |
| 18:30.59 | kergoth | gb2: shoudl probably do an ssh wrapper that does a lookup of hostname/remotecset and calls out ttyconv appropriately |
| 18:31.03 | kergoth | or something |
| 18:31.07 | gb2 | yeah |
| 18:31.09 | kergoth | s/cset/charset/ |
| 18:31.13 | kergoth | i cant see cset without thinking bk anymore |
| 18:31.19 | gb2 | ssh has per-host configurations |
| 18:31.24 | gb2 | wonder if ssh has any plugin stuff |
| 18:31.46 | emte | thats dependent on which ssh you use no? |
| 18:31.51 | gb2 | yeah :) |
| 18:32.01 | kergoth | hmm, i know it can call out a proxycommand to make the real connection, but thats the wrong end |
| 18:33.02 | gb2 | i've been meaning to use fsh more |
| 18:33.18 | kergoth | fsh? |
| 18:33.33 | gb2 | reuses an existing connection to a host if available |
| 18:33.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:33.50 | gb2 | setup time is faster |
| 18:33.54 | gb2 | thus the f == fast |
| 18:34.40 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:37.34 | gb2 | eventually its functionality is expected to be rolled into openssh |
| 18:38.00 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:38.13 | kergoth | speaking of openssh, they finally put in the bits in their configure script to make it crosscompile :) |
| 18:38.16 | kergoth | i was impressed |
| 18:38.18 | kergoth | in 4.0 |
| 18:41.14 | gb2 | hehe |
| 18:47.46 | reenoo_ | hrm.. bk is somewhat sloooow today |
| 18:47.59 | reenoo_ | probably still slashdotted or something |
| 18:50.47 | CIA-8 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.3089.1.2 10openembedded/packages/kaffe/ (5 files in 2 dirs): kaffe: resurrect kaffe from nonworking. the packaging still needs some polishing. the -qt incarnation needs to be tested and the (qt only) stuff from nonworking removed if it works. |
| 18:50.52 | CIA-8 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.3089.1.1 10openembedded/packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.8.1.bb: vlc-gpe: remove unnecessary "/" separator one more time. |
| 18:51.46 | reenoo_ | zecke|away: can I talk you into giving the kaffe-qt .bb a try? |
| 18:52.44 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3104.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ttyconv/ttyconv_0.2.3.bb: Add ttyconv 0.2.3 (A small app to convert terminal sessions from one encoding to another). |
| 18:53.25 | kergoth | why did i add ttyconv? because i can. |
| 18:53.27 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3107 10openembedded/packages/ttyconv/ttyconv_0.2.3.bb: Fix ttyconv's DESCRIPTION. |
| 18:56.28 | gb2 | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:01.08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:01.28 | kergoth | methinks we need to add some console tools |
| 19:01.33 | kergoth | heh |
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| 20:21.02 | Ken|JLime | Anyone feeling up to adding a fresh 2.3.4-glibc would surely get his reward in heaven |
| 20:23.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:24.08 | kergoth | kergoth@colinux:~$ ssh 192.168.1.102 |
| 20:24.08 | kergoth | Host key verification failed. |
| 20:24.08 | kergoth | kergoth@colinux:~$ |
| 20:24.18 | kergoth | no ask |
| 20:25.56 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:25.57 | kergoth | open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 20:26.00 | kergoth | that cant be good |
| 20:26.52 | Ken|JLime | lol |
| 20:27.33 | kergoth | it tried to ask, and failed miserably :) |
| 20:29.41 | kergoth | yay, now dmesg|more works |
| 20:29.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29.51 | kergoth | as does ssh |
| 20:30.14 | Ken|JLime | Great, now fix a new glibc :P |
| 20:30.24 | kergoth | sure, why not. nothing better to do |
| 20:31.02 | Ken|JLime | would greatly appreciate it :) 2.3.4 should make the sh3 dynamic stuff work (or atleast getting pretty close as i know 2.3.4+debpatches work) |
| 20:32.16 | kergoth | we have a glibc cvs build |
| 20:32.19 | kergoth | you should be able to just try that |
| 20:33.14 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3108 10openembedded/packages/initscripts/ (initscripts_1.0.bb initscripts-1.0/device_table.txt): Fix the permissions on /dev/tty and /dev/console in the /dev/ makedevs'd ramdisk. This fixes that annoying bug where | more doesnt work, and also makes the openssh ssh client stop sucking. |
| 20:34.14 | kergoth | yay, my colinux is much more useful now |
| 20:34.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34.20 | kergoth | working python, working sqlite3 |
| 20:34.24 | kergoth | dare i try running bitbake in it? |
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| 20:34.49 | reenoo_ | can you run X apps in it? |
| 20:34.58 | kergoth | it doesnt have a framebuffer or gui |
| 20:35.03 | kergoth | however, the cygwin X server works well |
| 20:35.07 | reenoo_ | and connect to an X server running in cygwin? |
| 20:35.08 | kergoth | so just run the X apps on that server |
| 20:35.20 | reenoo_ | neato |
| 20:35.46 | kergoth | going to try gpe there |
| 20:35.52 | kergoth | and see if i can get opie working in a qvfb |
| 20:37.21 | Ken|JLime | kergoth, when i try the cvs package it always fails. abit to much bleeding edge i guess. |
| 20:37.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:37.36 | Ken|JLime | btw, anyway of creating user at the wiki? or is anonymous the way to go? |
| 20:37.45 | kergoth | yes, just enter a WikiName in the login |
| 20:37.54 | kergoth | i.e. FirstnameLastname |
| 20:38.01 | kergoth | and enter the pass both times |
| 20:38.03 | kergoth | thats all ther eis to it |
| 20:38.05 | reenoo_ | kergoth: that'd be pretty spiffy I guess. bundle it on CD and you've got an SDK (without the cygwin limitations) for windows people |
| 20:38.33 | kergoth | reenoo_: yeah, exactly. wouldnt take much to get a linux livecd going as well. the key is to get the last remaining native dev kinks out |
| 20:39.31 | reenoo_ | kergoth: we may actually go that way for a unix only environment that's developed at university here |
| 20:40.40 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:41.24 | reenoo_ | :) |
| 20:46.41 | Ken|JLime | kergoth, you got an glibc package ready? |
| 20:46.56 | reenoo_ | heh |
| 20:49.09 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:33.30 | Ken|JLime | http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Current_20Supported_20Architectures#preview |
| 22:35.20 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:35.23 | kergoth | apparentl yi have next friday off |
| 22:35.27 | kergoth | which was gonna be my last day |
| 22:35.29 | kergoth | guess thursday is now |
| 22:35.30 | kergoth | woot. |
| 22:36.32 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:36.52 | pb_ | when do you ship out to MN? |
| 22:37.01 | kergoth | whenever i make arrangements to move my stuff, i guess |
| 22:37.08 | kergoth | have to pay for the next 2 months of rent though anyway |
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| 22:37.14 | pb_ | ah right |
| 22:37.19 | kergoth | its cheaper to pay until the lease is up in may than to leave early |
| 22:37.21 | kergoth | due to the fines |
| 22:37.24 | kergoth | fees, whatever |
| 22:37.35 | pb_ | nod |
| 22:37.52 | kergoth | on the plus side, at least its the usual rent on the first of each month, instead of one amount all at once. can manage that |
| 22:37.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38.10 | gb2 | my lease breaking fine is 1/2 month's rent. |
| 22:38.17 | kergoth | thats not bad at all |
| 22:38.26 | gb2 | security deposit of only $300 too |
| 22:38.41 | gb2 | speaking of which, i need to renew another year soon |
| 22:38.44 | gb2 | like, next week |
| 22:39.51 | kergoth | @familyguy |
| 22:39.52 | kbot | kergoth: <Peter> Make like Siamese twins and split ... and then one of you die. |
| 22:40.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:45.25 | kergoth | Ken|JLime: are you volunteering to maintain that list? :) |
| 22:45.36 | kergoth | cause it -will- get out of date. the old one in the old wiki did |
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| 23:00.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: iterutils and Set python modules need packaging. |
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| 23:22.50 | treke | anyone have a good laptop they'd recommend? |
| 23:23.48 | drw | treke: apple 15" powerbook ;) |
| 23:24.13 | kergoth | that sharp that pb_ got looks nice |
| 23:24.18 | treke | _drw, preferably one that runs linux well :) |
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| 23:24.26 | treke | I'm looking to replace a 15" powerbook :p |
| 23:24.39 | drw | it runs linux... |
| 23:24.47 | treke | not well :) |
| 23:25.20 | drw | :) |
| 23:25.33 | treke | the X driver support is iffy, wireless is completely unsupported, and suspend is spotty at best |
| 23:26.40 | treke | kergoth: happen to know what kind of sharp? |
| 23:27.17 | kergoth | http://conics.net/shop/frames/index-frames-sharp-direct.htm |
| 23:27.19 | kergoth | the sharp MP there |
| 23:27.29 | kergoth | http://conics.net/shop/frames/notebooks/sharp-mp7050/middle-sharp-pc-mp7050-spec.htm |
| 23:27.32 | emte | http://www.emperorlinux.com/ |
| 23:27.45 | treke | ah imported |
| 23:28.09 | mallum | treke: thinkpad :) |
| 23:28.21 | treke | mallum: I've been leaning towards a thinkpad :) |
| 23:28.26 | mallum | treke: t4(0|1|2)p |
| 23:28.33 | treke | ha |
| 23:28.40 | mallum | treke: I have a t40p and its the best latop I've ever had |
| 23:29.06 | treke | to be honest, I dont think I've ever heard anyone say a bad thing about thinkpads |
| 23:29.09 | mallum | treke: it may not be the shinyest but the display is great ( 1400x1050 ) and all hardware works fine under linux |
| 23:29.10 | treke | other than that they are ugly |
| 23:29.15 | drw | yeah, everything I heard about IBM's has been good |
| 23:29.16 | emte | you sure you dont want a sony? |
| 23:29.23 | mallum | treke: computers arn't meant to look pretty |
| 23:29.32 | treke | mallum: I didnt say that was a bad thing :) |
| 23:29.35 | emte | its the only one thats fully linux compat with a 17" lcd |
| 23:29.35 | mallum | treke: h/w support is excellent too |
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| 23:29.55 | treke | wouldnt want a 17inch |
| 23:31.01 | reenoo_ | the sony laptops I've seen already started falling apart in the shop |
| 23:31.36 | reenoo_ | especially the keyboards were crappy |
| 23:31.46 | treke | anything too big and I won't carry it |
| 23:31.47 | emte | could be, i prefer toshiba for laptops meyself |
| 23:31.54 | treke | even the powerbook doesnt come with me much |
| 23:32.28 | reenoo_ | the ibm x31 have good hardware support in linux |
| 23:32.34 | reenoo_ | if you want something small |
| 23:32.50 | mallum | treke: warranty so rocks with ibm aswell in uk at least |
| 23:33.08 | treke | reenoo_: I'm kind of wavering back and forth on size |
| 23:33.41 | reenoo_ | treke: yeah. I guess I'd go for a T series ibm now |
| 23:34.09 | kergoth | NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39: started |
| 23:34.10 | kergoth | NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_fetch: started |
| 23:34.10 | kergoth | NOTE: fetch http://www.treke.net/oe/source/quilt_savannah.nongnu.org_VER_0_39_.tar.gz |
| 23:34.13 | kergoth | Connecting to www.treke.net[192.216.230.225]:80 |
| 23:34.15 | kergoth | quilt_savannah.nongn 100% |*************************************************************| 289 KB 00:00 ETA |
| 23:34.18 | kergoth | NOTE: Fetched quilt_savannah.nongnu.org_VER_0_39_.tar.gz from tarball stash, skipping checkout |
| 23:34.18 | treke | ... |
| 23:34.21 | kergoth | thats an oe build inside of an oe rootfs |
| 23:34.23 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | note the busybox wget % bar |
| 23:35.36 | kergoth | okay, got bit by that glibc packageing bug |
| 23:35.37 | kergoth | it isnt including the linux-libc-headers |
| 23:35.37 | reenoo_ | treke: 1024x786 is just too low res for my taste now that I've got a 20" tft for my desktop |
| 23:35.41 | kergoth | that should be a fairly quick fix |
| 23:35.42 | treke | hehe |
| 23:35.56 | treke | I like the resolution of this powerbook |
| 23:36.34 | kergoth | gb2: you know if anyone's got a project going to enhance the bk-client yet? |
| 23:36.46 | kergoth | gb2: i.e. move t he individual binaries into libexec, write a wrapper to call them out, enhance update.. |
| 23:38.50 | treke | ok. theoretically my debian migration just worked |
| 23:41.58 | treke | the real question is whether or not I feel luck |
| 23:42.00 | treke | lucky |
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