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| 00:23.27 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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| 04:22.36 | krypto | a newbie question here: do you have any simple guide on how to build an opie app using the Openembedded tools? this website says that Openembedded is recommended: http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BuildingQtForOpie |
| 04:22.55 | krypto | i wrote my own simple app..and want to use bitbake |
| 04:23.10 | kergoth | read GettingStarted on the openembedded.org wiki. |
| 04:25.39 | Geo_KM | kergoth: Chris, I have cleaned up a large number of the stalled (older than 4 Months) tickets in the bts. |
| 04:27.00 | krypto | i'm currently looking at the packages dir, say qpe-games/icebloxx_1.0.0.bb -- i assume i would do the same, by "inherit opie" |
| 04:28.35 | kergoth | krypto: "do the same"? |
| 04:28.38 | kergoth | Geo_KM: ah, nice |
| 04:28.38 | krypto | actually, yesterday, i tried googling some document, and i found this simple script in http://www.vanille.de/tools/op2oe |
| 04:28.56 | kergoth | Geo_KM: you know offhand what tables you need for the phpwiki dump, or should i just dump the entire db its using? |
| 04:29.04 | treke|home | unless you have an actual opie app, you shouldn't inherit opie. |
| 04:30.04 | Geo_KM | kergoth: I don't know which tables precisly, it would be easy to miss something. Prehaps the whole lot is a safe bet. |
| 04:30.05 | krypto | kergoth and treke|home: i mean, do a similar variable initializations for my opie app... following icebloxx |
| 04:30.12 | kergoth | Geo_KM: k, will do |
| 04:30.28 | kergoth | krypto: you didnt say you were adding a new app that oe doesnt already know how to build |
| 04:30.37 | kergoth | krypto: i recommend giving some actual -context- to your questions in the future |
| 04:30.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31.16 | krypto | sorry about that... --- yes, i'm adding a new app ( a simple GUI display with some measurement readings) |
| 04:31.51 | krypto | I wanted to use Qtopia SDK, but I ran into problems compiling... so, i'm now looking at bitbake |
| 04:32.09 | treke|home | if it's your own custom app, I have no clue how to build it |
| 04:32.10 | treke|home | :) |
| 04:32.35 | treke|home | if it uses the opie build system, then you would want to follow an opie app template |
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| 04:34.40 | krypto | yes, it uses the opie build system.... but i want to get the needed libraries from the build/tmp/ in bitbake... |
| 04:35.11 | kergoth | if thats the case, then yeah, its likely that the opie bbclass will do the hard work for you |
| 04:35.45 | treke|home | kergoth: http://www.flex.com/sign_up/ I like their customer support additude :) |
| 04:37.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:38.41 | krypto | yes... that's right.... I'll just follow say icebloxx_1.0.0.bb and "inherit opie" for my app... and see what happens |
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| 05:38.46 | Pendalar | heh I got SDL to display a picture on a screen ^_^ |
| 05:39.05 | Pendalar | I like sdl more than I thought I would |
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| 05:46.56 | [g2] | on the CVS_TARBALL_STASH can that equal something like FILE://home/foo/downloads ? |
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| 06:36.55 | anomaly_ | spicy tha1 |
| 06:37.03 | anomaly_ | er |
| 06:37.05 | anomaly_ | ignore |
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| 06:50.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:50.40 | treke|home | hrm |
| 06:50.42 | treke|home | it's 11 |
| 06:50.43 | bluelightning | hi all |
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| 07:34.10 | keturn | Shucks. No-one responded to Mardy's question on the list about how to customize |
| 07:34.18 | keturn | err, customize his rootfs, that is. |
| 07:35.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:35.31 | kergoth | should go through the latest oe messages and apply any patches that havent been yet |
| 07:35.36 | kergoth | some things have been slipping through the cracks lately |
| 07:36.31 | keturn | and gmane refuses to search for the word "only", making my efforts to find messages about "read-only" very cumbersome. |
| 07:36.37 | kergoth | odd |
| 07:36.58 | keturn | "only" is a "common word", apparently. |
| 07:37.03 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 07:38.36 | bluelightning | I hate stupid search engines that do that |
| 07:38.52 | kergoth | i dont mind it, if you can force past it with a + or something\ |
| 07:38.54 | kergoth | ]heh |
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| 08:01.38 | keturn | maybe I should try unionroot, looks like. |
| 08:02.48 | RP | morning all |
| 08:03.02 | bluelightning | hi RP |
| 08:05.15 | kergoth | unionfs rocks. |
| 08:06.15 | keturn | any examples of its use in an OE distro that I can take a look at? |
| 08:06.48 | kergoth | unionroot? or just unionfs? |
| 08:07.21 | kergoth | hrm, i should sleep or something |
| 08:07.26 | keturn | both, if I've got 'em |
| 08:07.39 | kergoth | unionfs, linuxjournal has an article about it |
| 08:07.51 | kergoth | how to use unionctl and mount a unionfs |
| 08:08.19 | kergoth | unionroot, dont think thats documented much at all. afaik you just set things up to use task-bootstrap-unionroot instead of the normal one |
| 08:08.24 | kergoth | talk to Cwiiis for details |
| 08:08.38 | keturn | will do. but I think you're on to something with this "sleep" idea. |
| 08:08.58 | kergoth`zzz | night |
| 08:20.17 | CIA-8 | 03RP 07 * r1.3135.1.1 10openembedded/conf/machine/c7x0.conf: machine/c7x0.conf: Correct the include order |
| 08:29.05 | Cwiiis | keturn: Interested in unionfs? :) |
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| 08:34.03 | XorA | morning |
| 08:41.05 | RP | morning XorA |
| 08:43.02 | XorA | RP: morning to you, Ive meant to chat to you a couple of days |
| 08:45.25 | XorA | RP: Ive noticed a strange behaviour with mplayer after suspend. Before a suspend mplayer will play video on fbdev at 320x240 perfectly, video and sound remain perfectly in sync, after a suspend the video runs far too slowly, rapidly getting minutes behind the audio. I am guessing some device is not getting fully restored |
| 08:47.10 | XorA | RP: good news though, hostap 3.7 works so much sweeter with kernel 2.6 |
| 08:50.52 | RP | excellent :) |
| 08:51.08 | RP | Do you reload mplayer after the suspend? |
| 08:51.51 | XorA | RP: yes, I run it from scrath same way both times |
| 08:51.54 | RP | XorA: The reason I ask is that I'm not sure how well atilib restores itself after a suspend |
| 08:52.07 | RP | w100fb itself should restore perfectly |
| 08:52.22 | XorA | RP: not using any accelleration |
| 08:52.56 | RP | That's all very strange then... |
| 08:53.15 | RP | w100fb uses the same init functions after a suspend as it does upon startup |
| 08:53.38 | RP | What happens if you boot the device, suspend/resume, the run mplayer? |
| 08:53.48 | RP | s/the/then |
| 08:53.53 | XorA | RP: I know its been puzzling me, the video is playing perfectly smoothly, just at wrong speed |
| 08:54.10 | XorA | RP: same effect if I boot suspend/resume the try mplayer |
| 08:55.55 | RP | I really don't know how to explain that... |
| 08:56.25 | RP | The question we need to answer is whether mplayer is running at the max speed it can or whether its going slowly for some reason |
| 08:56.45 | RP | Maybe the pxa's clock slows down after a suspend/resume? |
| 08:57.00 | RP | What does mplayer measure time against? |
| 08:57.32 | XorA | RP: Im not sure on a Z, does /dev/rtc work on Z? |
| 08:58.07 | RP | The processor does have an rtc register (which is cleared at reset) |
| 08:58.41 | RP | I'm also fairly sure I've seen code to use the rtc register. Whether it gets mapped to /dev/rtc is unknown |
| 08:58.57 | XorA | RP: ok, I will endeavour to get more info |
| 08:59.32 | RP | I have some fb benchmarks I'll try against the machine before and after a suspend |
| 09:00.44 | XorA | RP: my suspicion it is not the fb, Im guessing whatever mplayer uses as its internal clock is probably more likely |
| 09:01.01 | RP | XorA: That is my thought as well... |
| 09:01.04 | XorA | RP: as mplayer doesnt appear to be dropping frames which it should if fb is too slow |
| 09:01.14 | RP | yes |
| 09:01.30 | RP | I suspect after a suspend, we don't restore all the pxa rtc type registers |
| 09:01.38 | RP | or we make a mess of them somehow |
| 09:01.51 | RP | The corgi power does weird and wonderful things with them :-/ |
| 09:01.56 | XorA | RP: heh heh |
| 09:02.57 | RP | Checking the rtc should be straightforward - set the clock - leave the device powered and unsuspended for an hour, check the clock. Suspend the device for an hour, check the clock |
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| 09:03.17 | RP | Then leave it powered for another hour |
| 09:03.46 | RP | For the kind of slowdown you describe it should be clearly visible in much less than an hour |
| 09:07.46 | RP | Hmmm. I've just done some benchmarks and the fb is slower in some respects after a suspend compared to before :-/ |
| 09:08.45 | RP | Not enough to give the performance problem you describe mind but there is a difference |
| 09:08.59 | RP | Could be the RTC screwing the benchmark mind :) |
| 09:16.04 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:17.07 | RP | morning koen |
| 09:17.25 | koen | hey RP |
| 09:18.48 | CoreDump|home | morning all |
| 09:19.18 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
| 09:19.21 | CoreDump|home | umm did OZ revert back to /mnt/* instead of /media/* or did I manage to screw up my fstab? |
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| 09:28.13 | treke|home | still using /media when I looked this morning |
| 09:28.50 | cedricbompart | ~seen RP_ |
| 09:28.52 | ibot | rp_ <0@tim.rpsys.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 14d 10h 8m 31s ago, saying: ''night hrw'. |
| 09:29.08 | koen | ~seen RP |
| 09:29.09 | ibot | rp is currently on #oe #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 94 messages. Is idling for 12m 2s |
| 09:29.38 | cedricbompart | ah thx |
| 09:29.47 | RP | cedricbompart: hello |
| 09:29.59 | CoreDump|home | treke: thx |
| 09:30.57 | cedricbompart | RP: I've done hack a cpu frequency patch for my poodle, do u want and adjust it for the cxxx series? |
| 09:31.26 | cedricbompart | s/hack a/a hack for |
| 09:31.29 | RP | cedricbompart: Does it work? |
| 09:31.35 | cedricbompart | yep |
| 09:31.43 | RP | I'll take a look |
| 09:32.10 | cedricbompart | ok I'll send u that today |
| 09:32.17 | RP | I suspect changing cpu freq is asking for trouble mind ;-) |
| 09:32.41 | RP | The number of dependent devices connected to a pxa processor is scary |
| 09:32.44 | XorA | RP: it is cool, let everyone cook their pxa's at 600Mhz |
| 09:33.24 | cedricbompart | but mainly I'm using it for overclocking to 471Mhz which I never have any issue with the 2.4 kernel |
| 09:33.25 | RP | XorA: I don't mean like that. I mean a lot of the drivers will probably need cpufreq hooks on c7x0 |
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| 09:33.56 | RP | cedricbompart: If all the drivers are cpufreq aware under 2.6, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:34.16 | RP | I suspect 2.6 poodle doesn't have enough drivers that care yet. I know for a fact that c7x0 does |
| 09:34.32 | RP | Although there is untested code in place to cope with it |
| 09:34.49 | RP | Does pcmcia still work on poodle with the cpufreq changes? |
| 09:35.47 | cedricbompart | I "think", I've done my cpu test via my ethernet connection |
| 09:37.33 | RP | That's something then |
| 09:37.36 | cedricbompart | I need to test a bit more with the ondemand policy |
| 09:40.19 | cedricbompart | I've based my patch on that work --> http://svn.rungie.com/svn/gumstix-buildroot/trunk/sources/kernel-patches |
| 09:43.13 | cedricbompart | RP: how can I get the amount of memory on the device? at the moment the memory size is hardcoded |
| 09:43.39 | cedricbompart | 32M for the C700/poodle, 64M for the rest |
| 09:43.57 | cedricbompart | of series |
| 09:44.16 | RP | That is hardcoded into the machine files, as you say |
| 09:45.37 | cedricbompart | no no... is there is any C function which going to return me the total size of the memory |
| 09:45.54 | cedricbompart | ? |
| 09:46.16 | RP | cat /proc/meminfo? |
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| 09:46.25 | cedricbompart | or do I need to parse a /proc file? |
| 09:46.37 | RP | presumably glibc has some function |
| 09:46.39 | cedricbompart | ah ok |
| 09:47.12 | XorA | knowing the amount of mem is very un *nixy |
| 09:47.24 | RP | Do you mean in kernel space or user space and why do you care? |
| 09:47.37 | cedricbompart | kernel space |
| 09:48.30 | RP | and why do you care? |
| 09:50.03 | cedricbompart | because at the moment the patch use an SDRAM constant which is 4096 for 32M and 8192 for 64M |
| 09:50.48 | RP | which patch is this in? |
| 09:51.00 | cedricbompart | so if u want a cross device code then we need to get the value dynamicly |
| 09:51.18 | cedricbompart | http://svn.rungie.com/svn/gumstix-buildroot/trunk/sources/kernel-patches/002-gumstix-bkpxa-pxa-cpufreq.patch |
| 09:55.09 | RP | This will be why the pxa cpufreq has never made it upstream |
| 09:57.21 | cedricbompart | but we can make it work for our devices, doesn't matter if it's not upstream... |
| 09:57.39 | treke|home | bad way of thinking |
| 09:57.44 | koen | heh |
| 09:58.02 | XorA | cedricbompart: that sort of thinking is what got the sharp kernel in the mess its in |
| 09:58.09 | koen | at FOSDEM the arm-linux guy said that's bad, real bad |
| 09:58.22 | cedricbompart | :-) |
| 09:59.39 | RP | cedricbompart: If you're going to put some effort into it, it would be nice to make it upstream friendly at the same time |
| 10:00.03 | RP | There is some code that isn't easy with byt cpufreq isn't it |
| 10:02.54 | cedricbompart | ok I'll try, when I "happy" with it, are u going to make it upstream? |
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| 10:04.27 | treke|home | hehehe. If it was up to RP, I'm sure a lot more would be upstream already :) |
| 10:04.31 | treke|home | rmk's a bit pickier |
| 10:05.43 | RP | treke|home: Actually, I've not found rmk too bad. He's yet to outright reject any of my patches. In places I've made improvements but they've always been fundamentally sound... |
| 10:05.44 | cedricbompart | I didn't meant that, I was thinking if he's going to push it for review for me |
| 10:06.10 | RP | cedricbompart: Why not push it for review yourself? |
| 10:06.32 | RP | I'll only push code I think is suitable for mainline |
| 10:07.41 | cedricbompart | because I don't know the way to push it, anyway it's not the time at the moment... |
| 10:07.45 | RP | In fact most of my patch "rejections" from rmk have been over white space and coding style :) |
| 10:08.06 | RP | cedricbompart: Its easy enough to learn that... |
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| 10:33.45 | RP | morning zecke |
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| 10:42.52 | treke|home | mornin zecke |
| 10:43.02 | treke|home | I suppose I should go to bed |
| 10:44.07 | zecke | treke|home: sleep well |
| 10:44.14 | koen | 'night treke|home |
| 10:49.05 | treke|home | first I need to figure out the alarm option on my new phone : |
| 10:49.06 | treke|home | :p |
| 10:58.30 | RockClimber | in the .bbfile, a line like SRC_URI=file://gcc3.patch;patch=1" what does the "patch=1" mean? |
| 10:59.02 | CoreDump|home | RockClimber: it means that this file is a patch and will be applied against the sources |
| 10:59.33 | CoreDump|home | w/o patch it would not be appied |
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| 11:00.42 | RockClimber | is the 1 a boolean 1 or 0 then? |
| 11:01.25 | CoreDump|home | RockClimber: heh well, I never tried :) I have never seen a "patch=0" though |
| 11:02.07 | treke|home | patch=0 would probably be about equivalent to leaving the patch off altogether :p |
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| 11:06.11 | RockClimber | Is there an equivalent to ${palmtopdir} that contains the path of Root's home (for location on conf files)? |
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| 11:29.57 | Cwiiis | RockClimber: conf files should be installed in /etc (${sysconfdir}) and the app should take care of creating/copying files to the home dir |
| 11:30.28 | Cwiiis | well, conf files shouldn't necessarily go there, I guess it's different with Qtopia/Opie... But all the same |
| 11:31.25 | pb_ | hi all |
| 11:32.59 | Cwiiis | Hey pb_ - good trip? |
| 11:33.08 | pb_ | yep, pretty good |
| 11:33.56 | Cwiiis | Cool.. Wish I could've gone, sounds like it was fun (from conversation over the past couple of days) |
| 11:34.04 | RockClimber | Cwiiis, the app uses a Qt class to read the conf files from location (which I don't understand). Once conf file isn't important (the other is and isn't produced by the program). Perhaps it's best to install to /etc and have a note with the App that says you should copy the file to /home/root/Settings/ |
| 11:34.35 | koen | brrrrr |
| 11:35.36 | koen | $HOME/Setting would be better |
| 11:36.07 | koen | in case for some odd reason someone wants to use opie as non-root |
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| 11:47.22 | koen | bbl |
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| 12:25.20 | Cwiiis | heh, I wonder how the right arrow key ended up as a shortcut to the off key on collie... |
| 12:25.22 | Cwiiis | (held) |
| 12:28.32 | RockClimber | Cwiiis, it doesn't on mine |
| 12:28.45 | Cwiiis | RockClimber: Running Opie? |
| 12:29.01 | RockClimber | yes |
| 12:29.40 | Cwiiis | RockClimber: If you can get Opie to not start on boot, reset your pda and try it - I think Opie does an ioctl and changes it on startup, it certainly does for the light and Cancel key |
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| 14:56.22 | zecke_ | pb_: how was mickeys talk? |
| 14:56.54 | pb_ | zecke_: very good, naturally |
| 14:57.35 | zecke_ | I've never attended a talk or lecture of mickeyl |
| 14:58.03 | pb_ | nor had I, prior to this one. |
| 14:58.13 | pb_ | it seemed to be well received, anyway. |
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| 16:01.02 | woglinde | hi kergoth |
| 16:01.09 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 16:01.10 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 16:01.12 | koen | 'morning kergoth |
| 16:01.14 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:03.19 | woglinde | koen *g* |
| 16:03.32 | woglinde | kergoth another morning without power? |
| 16:03.55 | kergoth | naw, they fixed that friday night thankfully |
| 16:04.30 | CosmicPenguin | So it was mechanical issues, not monetary? |
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| 16:05.05 | kergoth | it was monetary. paid them and paid the extra to get it hooked back up that night |
| 16:05.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:05.07 | kergoth | :\ |
| 16:05.10 | RockClimber | kergoth, you're down as the maintainer for gnuplot... what's your view on adding the qtopia.trm to the oe build so that qtplot works under opie? |
| 16:05.38 | kergoth | i've never used gnuplot in my life |
| 16:05.45 | kergoth | you're welcome to take over maintainance of that package |
| 16:05.49 | RockClimber | that settles that then |
| 16:06.05 | RockClimber | if I can get it to build :-) |
| 16:06.14 | kergoth | heh, thatd be a good first step |
| 16:06.58 | koen | gnuplot doesn't like softfloat over here |
| 16:07.22 | koen | I can only build with hardfloat for some reason |
| 16:07.46 | koen | and it probably needs to be split in gnuplot and gnuplot-x11 |
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| 16:17.34 | pb_ | zecke_: do any packages other than qte itself install files into ${STAGING_DIR}/${HOST_SYS}/qt2? |
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| 16:26.24 | zecke_ | hopefully not |
| 16:27.20 | pb_ | okay, so it should be safe to delete that directory from libqte's do_stage()? |
| 16:27.27 | RockClimber | koen, how do you specify HARD/SOFT float? |
| 16:27.32 | pb_ | this seems to be necessary to avoid permission problems when it tries to install the qpf fonts. |
| 16:27.37 | kergoth | RockClimber: TARGET_FPU = "soft" |
| 16:27.46 | koen | RockClimber: TARGET_FPU="" |
| 16:27.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:27.55 | koen | (for hard float_ |
| 16:28.13 | koen | but it would be better to check why gnuplot fails to build |
| 16:28.18 | treke|home | blah. Leave it to my luck. I get the car washed and it rains within 12 hours |
| 16:28.18 | zecke_ | pb_: oh now you mention fonts I, someone stages the fonts in qt2 |
| 16:28.23 | zecke_ | but let us see what breaks |
| 16:28.39 | zecke_ | pb_: I will be at home to see what breaks |
| 16:37.26 | woglinde | hm something wrong with göibc-build? |
| 16:37.47 | koen | glibc was building this morning |
| 16:38.05 | woglinde | NOTE: Multiple libraries (libc.so.6, libcrypt.so.1, libm.so.6, libmemusage.so, ... found and LEAD_SONAME not defined |
| 16:42.18 | pb_ | gah, the autoconf manual is no longer available on the web |
| 16:42.23 | pb_ | at least, not in browseable html format |
| 16:47.49 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:48.03 | CosmicPenguin | they've abandoned all pretense of being on our side |
| 16:50.20 | RockClimber | are any versions of gnuplot known to compile with soft-float? |
| 16:52.59 | pb_ | zecke_: I checked in that qte change. Let's see what happens. |
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| 16:56.23 | zecke_ | pb_: ok, I'll start a build soon |
| 16:58.33 | pb_ | zecke_: cool, thanks |
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| 17:01.12 | pb_ | ah drat, now my build failed with another error |
| 17:01.14 | pb_ | qt_override.cpp:126: error: `pointSizes_NonWeak' undeclared (first use this function) |
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| 17:13.22 | Crofton | does bitbake use commands from your path? |
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| 17:19.35 | reenoo_ | evening |
| 17:20.09 | zecke_ | pb_: an acient CVSDATE for libqpe-for-opie? |
| 17:20.38 | kergoth | Crofton: yes, it obeys PATH. it does mangle it a bit though, to get our cross_dir and staging bin dir paths obeyed. |
| 17:23.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.08 | kergoth | sweet. |
| 17:23.18 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 17:24.53 | Crofton | hmmm, put mkimage in $HOME/bin ... |
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| 17:27.36 | kergoth | Crofton: if you changed the PATH, do a 'touch conf/local.conf' |
| 17:27.46 | kergoth | Crofton: bitbake isnt smart enough to dirty its parse cache when the environment changes. |
| 17:27.50 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:27.55 | Crofton | hmm |
| 17:28.01 | Crofton | I think it worked anyway though |
| 17:28.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:28.42 | Crofton | It gets confusing because I am ssh'd into the machine and runnig screen |
| 17:29.42 | kergoth | nod |
| 17:31.52 | pb_ | zecke_: ah, perhaps |
| 17:32.13 | pb_ | libqpe-opie-1.1.9+cvs-20050126-r5 |
| 17:32.17 | pb_ | is that too ancient? |
| 17:32.49 | kergoth | hehe. gotta love computing. one month is 'ancient' |
| 17:32.54 | pb_ | reenoo_: I checked in a change to disable use of libxml2 in gstreamer |
| 17:32.58 | pb_ | kergoth: heh, right |
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| 17:34.40 | zecke_ | pb_: yes, we dropped that weak symbols from Qt |
| 17:41.29 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: ping |
| 17:42.56 | pb_ | zecke_: aha |
| 17:43.21 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: never mind |
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| 17:43.24 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart sun |
| 17:43.48 | reenoo_ | pb_: ah, cool |
| 17:43.52 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: pong |
| 17:44.05 | pb_ | reenoo_: seems there was one other --disable option required, besides the loadsave thing. |
| 17:44.16 | pb_ | I'm not quite sure what the impact of that will be, but I guess we'll find out soon enough |
| 17:45.07 | reenoo_ | pb_: heh. right. |
| 17:45.50 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: I was going to ask you if you ever considered getting the sun J2ME api up in OE, but since there isn't a JVM for arm, thats a silly question |
| 17:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | sun JVM that is |
| 17:46.21 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: there is a J2ME Implementation for the Zaurus |
| 17:47.25 | kergoth | zecke_, pb_: you guys know of any outstanding tslib bugs? I'm planning on tagging and releasing 1.0 as soon as possible. |
| 17:47.41 | pb_ | kergoth: none that I know of |
| 17:47.51 | pb_ | having a 1.0.0 release would be awesome |
| 17:48.06 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: no, J2ME is too limited to be of any real use and it's all under one of Sun's shrink wrap licenses |
| 17:48.57 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: there is? |
| 17:49.00 | kergoth | should probably set a libtool 'release' version, and drop the headers by release (/usr/include/libts-1.0?), and add a .pc |
| 17:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: free as in speech? |
| 17:49.44 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: there are no free J2ME implementations |
| 17:49.54 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I thought |
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| 17:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | thank goodness for Gentoo |
| 17:50.40 | reenoo_ | hold on |
| 17:51.07 | reenoo_ | once you download anything in source you're screwed as far as free implementations are concerned |
| 17:51.29 | reenoo_ | i.e., you won't be able to submit patches etc. |
| 17:51.41 | CosmicPenguin | What source? |
| 17:51.53 | CosmicPenguin | All binary all the time here |
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| 17:52.37 | reenoo_ | Sun's J2SDK or however they call their source distribution nowadays |
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| 17:53.33 | CosmicPenguin | I don't plan on downloading anything thats going to get me in trouble |
| 17:53.54 | reenoo_ | ok, cool |
| 17:55.02 | koen | bbl |
| 17:55.13 | CosmicPenguin | just the -bin stuff - like I care about re-compiling it anyway |
| 17:56.48 | pb_ | zecke_: you rule. my build of libsdl-qpe succeeded. |
| 17:56.58 | pb_ | ~praise zecke |
| 17:57.01 | ibot | All hail zecke! |
| 17:59.07 | kergoth | opinion on including the release in the tslib soname? it'll break existing binaries of course, even though we havent broken bc, but it might be good for the future |
| 17:59.15 | kergoth | s/release/lt_release/ |
| 17:59.47 | pb_ | I've never been a big fan of doing that. |
| 18:00.35 | pb_ | The soname is already libts-0.0.so.0, so there are at least three numbers that we can already increment for binary-incompatible future changes. |
| 18:00.40 | pb_ | I don't think we need to add any more. |
| 18:00.48 | kergoth | ah, right, it is specifying the release, just as 0.0 |
| 18:00.49 | kergoth | i missed that |
| 18:00.55 | kergoth | okay, then we're fine |
| 18:01.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:01.27 | pb_ | righto |
| 18:03.41 | RockClimber | I managed to get gnuplot to compile soft-float |
| 18:03.50 | pb_ | well, even that would have given us one number that we could increment. I've never really seen the need for more than that. |
| 18:03.56 | woglinde | rockclimber hehe |
| 18:04.12 | kergoth | pb_: i like it for consistency with a lt_release versioned includes directory. |
| 18:04.31 | kergoth | for simultanious installation of the development files of versions with different apis |
| 18:04.40 | kergoth | bleh, i need more caffeine |
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| 18:07.39 | perlguru | I got the following error bitbaking openslug-image during glibc-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r15: task do_package : |
| 18:07.46 | perlguru | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/maurice/nslu2 |
| 18:07.46 | perlguru | d/tmp/staging/shlibs' |
| 18:07.56 | perlguru | Is this known? |
| 18:10.26 | pb_ | ah, I guess that's a side effect of a package.bbclass change I pushed this morning. |
| 18:10.39 | pb_ | for now, just create that directory by hand |
| 18:10.42 | pb_ | I'll fix it when I get home |
| 18:10.45 | perlguru | FYI: i am running on a AMD65 platform |
| 18:10.57 | [g2] | cool AMD65 |
| 18:10.59 | perlguru | pb_, thnx |
| 18:11.01 | pb_ | amd65? eleet. |
| 18:11.02 | CosmicPenguin | it goes to 11 |
| 18:11.06 | pb_ | the platform shouldn't make any difference, anyway |
| 18:11.07 | [g2] | LOL |
| 18:11.16 | perlguru | type AMD64 ;) |
| 18:11.20 | VoodooZ_Work | I've got the same issue on both my Opteron and Dual Xeon boxes. |
| 18:11.22 | CosmicPenguin | Hell - I work at AMD, and I don't get the 65 machines |
| 18:11.31 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:11.39 | [g2] | Yeah, but mine *goes* to 11 |
| 18:11.43 | perlguru | even 1 bit makes a differance :D |
| 18:12.12 | [g2] | that's the 4th drummer we've lost |
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| 18:22.54 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:23.14 | kergoth | anyone know how to get a library build to emit _both_ libblah-0.0.so and libblah.so symlinks? |
| 18:23.27 | kergoth | if you use libblah.la, it creates the latter. if you use libblah-0.0.la, it creates the former. |
| 18:26.26 | andersee | kergoth: if you don't use libtool, you first build libblah-0.0.so and then do 'ln -s libblah-0.0.so libblah.so' |
| 18:26.30 | andersee | :-) |
| 18:26.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:26.49 | andersee | or you can run 'ldconfig' which will add the symlink for you |
| 18:27.14 | andersee | and construct /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 18:28.35 | kergoth | i like the idea of users being able to do a -lblah-{release version} if they want to specify, but itd be nice to have a -lblah work if they want the latest or something |
| 18:28.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:28.36 | kergoth | ah well |
| 18:29.27 | andersee | kergoth: running ldconfig is particularly important with uClibc to make opie work |
| 18:29.55 | CosmicPenguin | it is |
| 18:29.58 | kergoth | andersee: nod. openzaurus uses ldconfig nowadays. no more ugly reliance on LD_LIBRARY_PATH. really no need for that -rpath= anymore. |
| 18:30.38 | andersee | kergoth: hmm. I didn't see /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/ in /etc/ld.so.conf, but then maybe I missed a step somewhere |
| 18:30.58 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think anybody has added it to the uclibc ld.so.conf |
| 18:30.59 | kergoth | if it isnt, thats just a bug |
| 18:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | its in the glibc |
| 18:31.05 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 18:31.23 | CosmicPenguin | That probably should be in a -common package - though, it would be over kill for 1 file |
| 18:31.27 | kergoth | is the ldconfig binary actually bound to the c lib? or could we split out the ld.so.conf and ldconfig? |
| 18:31.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:31.36 | andersee | kergoth: that would be a good idea, since using rpath potentially causes ld to leak system libraries into the link |
| 18:32.23 | andersee | kergoth: as part of the uclibc build, when you build utils, I build a host and a targert ldconfig |
| 18:32.53 | andersee | kergoth: so you can just run the host ldconfig and point it to the target rootfs |
| 18:33.50 | kergoth | oh, so we can do an ldconfig as a part of the image creation process then? |
| 18:33.56 | kergoth | rather than on first boot? |
| 18:34.00 | andersee | kergoth: exactly |
| 18:34.08 | kergoth | thatd be nice, one less thing to slow down first boot |
| 18:34.38 | andersee | kergoth: and one less thing to go wrong when jffs2 is short on space |
| 18:35.25 | kergoth | and itd make CP's life easier for his static read only root filesystems |
| 18:35.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:36.10 | keturn | where does the first-boot stuff get triggered? |
| 18:37.04 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good idea |
| 18:37.25 | kergoth | keturn: by ipkg. we flag certain packages as 'unconfigured', and call 'ipkg configure' on boot |
| 18:37.29 | kergoth | keturn: it then calls the postinsts on them |
| 18:38.01 | kergoth | keturn: we decide whats unconfigured based on who returns a non-zero exit code when attempting to run the postinst at image creation time |
| 18:40.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:41.00 | keturn | and gets started by rcS.d/S98configure. Where's the package list? |
| 18:41.27 | kergoth | keturn: ipkg maintains its metadata. generally in /usr/lib/ipkg in the rootfs. |
| 18:42.21 | mreimer | Does anyone here use openembedded on FreeBSD? |
| 18:42.23 | keturn | oh, /usr, not /var? hrm. |
| 18:42.49 | kergoth | lets see, what are the library versioning rules of thumb again. bump revision when the lib changes but doesnt break api or abi, bump major version on ABI break but no API break, and bump release version on API/ABI break |
| 18:43.10 | kergoth | keturn: /var is more correct, FHS wise, but /var is often a ramdisk in embedded systems. |
| 18:43.19 | kergoth | keturn: thats our main FHS violation. /var/lib is supposed to survive reboots. |
| 18:43.32 | kergoth | and /var/tmp, etc |
| 18:45.31 | keturn | I have a /usr/lib/ipkg/usr/lib/ipkg/lists. izzat a bug? |
| 18:46.09 | kergoth | sounds that way |
| 18:46.11 | kergoth | probably my fault, i missed the lists var when i fixed it |
| 18:46.41 | reenoo_ | that stuff should definitely go to /var btw |
| 18:47.04 | kergoth | reenoo_: then write a patch to change our /var handling completely. |
| 18:47.07 | kergoth | i know it belongs in /var. |
| 18:47.13 | reenoo_ | regularly screws up people's installs on h3600 (16MB) devices |
| 18:47.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:47.37 | reenoo_ | the list files are pretty big |
| 18:47.50 | kergoth | the /usr/lib/ipkg data has to be persistant. |
| 18:47.56 | kergoth | you cant put it in a ramdisk, or the shit hits the fan |
| 18:48.20 | reenoo_ | you don't really need Packages.gz |
| 18:48.21 | kergoth | we've already talked to pigi a bit about what can be done to make portions of it optional, but thats an independent problem from /usr/lib/ipkg being the incorrect location |
| 18:49.27 | kergoth | ah, you want the lists_dir in ram, but the rest of its metadata in flash? moving the lists into /var isnt a proper fix, since /var/lib is _supposed_ to survive reboots |
| 18:49.34 | kergoth | when we fix that problem, you'll lose that benefit |
| 18:50.15 | reenoo_ | hmm, right |
| 18:50.48 | kergoth | perhaps thats a candidate for a symlink into /mnt/ram, or something |
| 18:51.13 | kergoth | or, alternatively, write a startup script that cleans them out on boot |
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| 18:55.54 | reenoo_ | kergoth: well, there are two reason why I'd want the lists_dir to reside in a tmpfs: a) in my experience that data is necessary at "ipkg install" time only. so you can just as well run "ipkg update" beforehand. you always get the latest Packages file and it doesn't wear off internal flash. b) h3600 users are low on free flash space and repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by adding too many feeds thus exceeding flash space. |
| 18:56.39 | kergoth | reenoo_: isnt lists_dir an ipkg configuration file option nowadays? |
| 18:56.52 | kergoth | reenoo_: there's no reason you couldnt stuff it into /var/tmp |
| 18:57.04 | kergoth | (which would be more appropriate than either /tmp or /var/lib) |
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| 18:58.11 | reenoo_ | kergoth: if there's a config file option we should probably make that the default in familiar then. personally, I'm using symlinks on my ipaq |
| 18:58.39 | kergoth | okay, there, bumped the tslib LT_REVISION and added a .pc file. |
| 18:58.50 | kergoth | ready for tagging, i think |
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| 19:02.12 | gremlin[it] | good evening !!! |
| 19:02.36 | koen | hey gremlin[it] |
| 19:02.44 | gremlin[it] | hi koen ! |
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| 19:04.52 | punkass | hello |
| 19:05.12 | punkass | is there any reason bitbake would be sucking the life out of my computer? |
| 19:05.24 | pb_ | yes; that's what bitbake is for |
| 19:05.31 | gremlin[it] | hahahhaha ;) |
| 19:05.35 | treke | it's one of the bullet points in the design document |
| 19:05.45 | punkass | i have used it fine in the past but now it uses all 1GB of ram and then at least 500megs of swap |
| 19:05.52 | pb_ | right |
| 19:05.57 | punkass | never did that before |
| 19:05.58 | pb_ | we added special code to increase the memory footprint |
| 19:06.21 | pb_ | actually, 1.5G does sound a bit excessive |
| 19:06.23 | treke | kergoth is now receiving bribes from Micron and Crucial. |
| 19:06.24 | gremlin[it] | pb_ ... hat have u drink recently ??? :) |
| 19:06.57 | punkass | yeah do the point where the comp had a jammer and it killed the terminal bitbake was running in |
| 19:08.13 | treke | this is where we recommend that you go purchase some more genuine micron ram, available in many different sizes and designs. |
| 19:08.49 | gremlin[it] | punkass are u using the *cow* (i don't remember the name) patch ??? |
| 19:08.49 | punkass | not sure what your talkin about |
| 19:08.51 | pb_ | ~cow |
| 19:08.52 | ibot | I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. |
| 19:08.53 | koen | ~bbcow |
| 19:08.54 | ibot | from memory, bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 19:09.03 | gremlin[it] | yes bbcow !!! |
| 19:09.22 | punkass | no i am not...but i will look into it |
| 19:09.42 | punkass | i was just curious cuz as i said bitbake ran just fine before... |
| 19:09.46 | gremlin[it] | i'm able to run bitbake on a 640Mb ... with not so much swap |
| 19:10.05 | punkass | ok |
| 19:10.13 | punkass | ill check it out,thanks |
| 19:10.31 | gremlin[it] | ?!?!?! >>> ERROR: function do_patchcmd failed <<< what happen ??? |
| 19:10.39 | treke | patching failed |
| 19:10.43 | treke | in some way |
| 19:10.49 | pb_ | right |
| 19:10.59 | kergoth | gremlin[it]: read the log. |
| 19:11.01 | pb_ | more specifically, it appears that the "do_patchcmd" function failed |
| 19:11.06 | gremlin[it] | have to set a CVS date ? |
| 19:11.12 | keturn | punkass: although I'm guessing that if you're really using up 1.5 GB, bbcow isn't the fix you're looking for. |
| 19:11.15 | kergoth | you havent even said what package is failing |
| 19:11.23 | kergoth | should i guess which package and throw ideas out at random? |
| 19:11.31 | gremlin[it] | ah sorry ... x11 |
| 19:11.37 | treke | The problem is the flux capacitor |
| 19:11.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:11.57 | kergoth | did you watch back to the future this weekend? all three were on tnt or something |
| 19:11.59 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 19:12.01 | punkass | keturn: hmm... well i havent really done anything different since the last time I used it |
| 19:12.02 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:12.03 | treke | kergoth: was it? |
| 19:12.06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:12.09 | treke | Horrible coincidence |
| 19:12.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:12.13 | gremlin[it] | mhhh on monday so many laughting people ... what u all did sunday ?!?! ;) :) :) |
| 19:12.20 | treke | 1.21 gigawatts! |
| 19:12.30 | pb_ | gremlin[it]: might be a cvsdate thing. which patch is it trying to apply? |
| 19:12.43 | pb_ | iirc, x11 uses a fixed cvsdate though, so it seems unlikely |
| 19:13.07 | gremlin[it] | pb_ autofoo.patch |
| 19:13.17 | pb_ | ah, that patch is redundant |
| 19:13.18 | gremlin[it] | >>> cp: cannot stat `/mnt/hda/oe/stuff/openembedded/packages/x11/./autofoo.patch': No such file or directory <<< |
| 19:13.34 | pb_ | oh wait, it isn't redundant for 6.2.1 |
| 19:13.56 | pb_ | I guess I was a bit hasty in deleting it. |
| 19:14.15 | pb_ | anyone know how I get it back? |
| 19:14.34 | pb_ | bk unrm, I suppose |
| 19:14.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | bk unrm |
| 19:14.49 | pb_ | as I suspected |
| 19:15.57 | zecke | pb_: I'm starting a build now |
| 19:16.02 | pb_ | zecke: very good |
| 19:16.48 | pb_ | okay, autofoo.patch is back |
| 19:16.52 | pb_ | gremlin[it]: bk pull and try again |
| 19:17.38 | punkass | ok my package directory is 125Megs and my tmp directory is 2.2GB, those seems like normal values? |
| 19:17.40 | gremlin[it] | uhhhh i just 'touch' the missing file ... :) |
| 19:18.04 | pb_ | that'll work as well |
| 19:18.08 | gremlin[it] | seem to work :) ... if really is an unuseful patch :) |
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| 19:18.12 | pb_ | the patch is only important if you are using automake 1.9 |
| 19:18.53 | pb_ | which is not the default. I'm not quite sure why not; might just be because some packages are still not compatible with it. |
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| 19:19.37 | gremlin[it] | question : what package or oe part is responsable to create shadow passwd file, yestarday i did some test image but all was without shadow file ;( ... |
| 19:20.05 | pb_ | base-passwd |
| 19:20.17 | gremlin[it] | mhhh ok thanks ... |
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| 19:21.08 | gremlin[it] | mhh lot of 'undeclared' errors building diet-x11 :( ... now i tray to 'bk pull' |
| 19:22.42 | keturn | How do I do things like get /var to be on tmpfs? I mean, it's modify fstab and make some symlinks, but how does that fit in to the OE build process? |
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| 19:30.01 | Ken|JLime | what happens if i set "inherit debian?" |
| 19:30.19 | zecke | Ken|JLime: where do you want to set it? |
| 19:30.37 | zecke | debian.bbclass will be used if it exists |
| 19:30.58 | Ken|JLime | set it in local.conf |
| 19:31.02 | Ken|JLime | does it create debian packageS |
| 19:31.03 | Ken|JLime | ? |
| 19:31.08 | gremlin[it] | uff uff ... diet-x11 seem broken :( ... |
| 19:31.11 | zecke | try INHERIT += "debian" |
| 19:31.16 | koen | gremlin[it]: bk pull |
| 19:31.21 | zecke | Ken|JLime: but it might be called package_deb or such |
| 19:31.35 | gremlin[it] | done 10mins ago ... |
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| 19:32.28 | gremlin[it] | >>> KeyBind.c:844: error: `XK_Ccedillaabovedot' undeclared (first use in this function) <<< and so on compiling ... diet-x11 |
| 19:33.00 | zecke | the one who explains that key to me gets a cookie |
| 19:34.36 | gremlin[it] | koen : Nothing to pull. |
| 19:35.33 | koen | gremlin[it]: 'bk pull http://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded' |
| 19:35.42 | gremlin[it] | ah .. ok |
| 19:36.46 | pb_ | that shlibs "no such file or directory" bug should be fixed now, whoeever was running into that problem earlier. |
| 19:39.12 | perlguru | pb_, thanx |
| 19:41.20 | zecke|food | "And what really pisses me off are kernel developers who for some reason think |
| 19:41.22 | zecke|food | they have a right too to use names that start with a k ;-)" |
| 19:41.24 | zecke|food | lol |
| 19:42.25 | zecke|food | This statement was done by coolo a Novell Employee... |
| 19:42.28 | pb_ | zecke|food: heh |
| 19:42.50 | Ken|JLime | zecke_, thx for info |
| 19:42.54 | gremlin[it] | any way to make tests using an older diet-x11 ??? |
| 19:43.07 | reenoo_ | zecke|food: I take it coolo is a _k_de guy? |
| 19:43.26 | koen | hngr, my OE box decided to freeze |
| 19:43.45 | gremlin[it] | reenoo_ ar itallia _k_de ??? :) |
| 19:43.46 | zecke|food | pb_: yes |
| 19:43.49 | zecke|food | reenoo_: yes |
| 19:44.22 | gremlin[it] | zecke_ an italian _k_de guy ??? :) |
| 19:45.17 | zecke|food | gremlin[it]: no, I dunno where he is from |
| 19:45.21 | zecke|food | gremlin[it]: probably the US |
| 19:45.54 | gremlin[it] | zecke|food ... just a joke .. the only itlian in k__de is Arcangeli ... :) |
| 19:46.24 | gremlin[it] | ... thta i know ... |
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| 19:47.10 | chrta | hello |
| 19:47.16 | perlguru | hi |
| 19:47.20 | punkass | is it possible to compile a shared library outside of bitbake using the arm-linux tool chain? |
| 19:47.27 | kergoth`food | yes |
| 19:47.34 | [g2] | yep |
| 19:47.37 | kergoth`food | add tmp/cross/bin to your PATH |
| 19:47.47 | kergoth`food | you might want to set CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to point at staging, if you need libs that oe built |
| 19:48.12 | punkass | ah i see ok thanks |
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| 19:48.15 | chrta | i'm compiling samba for the nslu2. But the path to the sambasources is wrong, so i downloaded it manually |
| 19:48.27 | kergoth`food | oh, right |
| 19:48.34 | [g2] | chrta, which version ? |
| 19:48.38 | kergoth`food | the samba urls, i think i have that fixed locally, along with an upgrade to the latest version |
| 19:48.42 | kergoth`food | i'll push it |
| 19:48.57 | chouimat | ok some people have way too much time and not enought intelligence imho http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:49.16 | chrta | ok, the actuall samba version is 3.0.11, the bitbake samba version is 3.0.10 |
| 19:49.31 | kergoth`food | chrta: right |
| 19:49.46 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: heh - all programs written in perl, with the exception of course... perl.. :) |
| 19:49.48 | kergoth`food | they have a location in their site which is links that wont die on us |
| 19:49.51 | kergoth`food | so i switched them all to use that |
| 19:50.17 | chrta | ok, thx. should i report all bitbake thinks to this channel? |
| 19:50.27 | chrta | ..things... |
| 19:50.37 | kergoth`food | yeah |
| 19:50.41 | kergoth`food | this is the correct palce |
| 19:50.45 | kergoth`food | theres a bug tracking system as well of course |
| 19:50.55 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I'm waiting for the rewrite of Gcc, x11 and kde/gnome/favorite DE in perl |
| 19:51.00 | chrta | ok, bye then |
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| 19:53.59 | punkass | kergoth did the stylesheet work for ya? |
| 19:54.18 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3145.1.11 10openembedded/packages/samba/ (samba_3.0.9.bb samba_3.0.5.bb samba_3.0.10.bb): Fix the samba urls. |
| 19:54.36 | [g2] | kergoth`food, THX |
| 19:54.39 | kergoth`food | punkass: i never got an email with it from you, either that, or i got it and lost it |
| 19:54.42 | kergoth`food | punkass: could you send it over? :) |
| 19:54.47 | punkass | heh sure |
| 19:54.50 | kergoth`food | thanks |
| 19:54.56 | kergoth`food | the wiki is really getting in shape, content wise |
| 19:55.01 | kergoth`food | would be good to get that stylesheet in |
| 19:55.11 | [g2] | does the power-being-out count as a bug ? :) |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth`food | thats a bug in kergoth, not oe |
| 19:55.49 | pb_ | those bugs are always harder to fix |
| 19:55.59 | punkass | kergoth: ok its off |
| 19:56.02 | [g2] | really teacher, the bits got there but couldn't stay! |
| 20:00.30 | gremlin[it] | mhhh what about the diet-x11 issue ? |
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| 20:02.19 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:02.29 | gremlin[it] | ciao Pigi |
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| 20:05.19 | pb_ | hi Pigi |
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| 20:14.18 | gremlin[it] | what can i 'undo' in bk to have a x11 that compile ? |
| 20:14.51 | koen | it should compile now out of the box, with a clean tree |
| 20:16.04 | gremlin[it] | i delete tmp/work/diet-x11 ... but nothing ;( ... (also tmp/stamps/*diet-x11* and tmp/cache/*diet-x11* ) |
| 20:18.56 | Pigi | gremlin[it], check that if you do a bk pull you don't get any warning |
| 20:19.32 | gremlin[it] | takepatch: 5 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 4 files |
| 20:20.18 | gremlin[it] | Running resolve to apply new work ... |
| 20:20.19 | gremlin[it] | resolve: applied 4 files in pass 4 |
| 20:20.27 | gremlin[it] | seem ok to me .. |
| 20:20.35 | Pigi | well. so You should check in tmp/work/*diet-x11*/log*compile what's going on. |
| 20:20.43 | kergoth`food | heh, today's tslib that oe pulls doesnt build. tomorrow's will |
| 20:20.45 | kergoth`food | whee |
| 20:20.48 | pb_ | kergoth`food: heh |
| 20:20.52 | kergoth`food | well, it does |
| 20:20.54 | kergoth`food | it depends |
| 20:20.58 | kergoth`food | if you have -P on your update in .cvsrc |
| 20:21.00 | kergoth`food | then boom |
| 20:21.10 | kergoth`food | a missing m4 dir is apssed to aclocal |
| 20:21.13 | kergoth`food | (empty) |
| 20:21.14 | kergoth`food | heh |
| 20:21.18 | pb_ | oh, that old problem |
| 20:21.30 | Pigi | kergoth`food, that's nice. Like a bingo game :) |
| 20:21.37 | pb_ | I wish aclocal would check for that, rather than just crashing |
| 20:21.44 | kergoth`food | yeah |
| 20:23.04 | gremlin[it] | Pigi first error is >>> KeyBind.c: In function `XConvertCase' <<< and after some other 'undeclared' ... |
| 20:23.23 | gremlin[it] | mistake >>> KeyBind.c:844: error: `XK_Ccedillaabovedot' undeclared (first use in this function) <<< |
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| 20:24.09 | koen | kergoth`food: I wound back my cvsdate to circumvent that |
| 20:24.30 | kergoth`food | thatll work, but if you wound it back too far, you'd lose the oe tslib fixes, since i applyed them in cvs and removed from the .bb |
| 20:24.55 | koen | I'll fastforward to tomorrow |
| 20:25.32 | Pigi | gremlin[it], so it's probably missing some include file. Can you identify which ? |
| 20:25.59 | gremlin[it] | kergoth`food, koen : i don't understant, are u talking only about tslib or also x11-diet ... |
| 20:26.13 | kergoth`food | there are two conversations going on, gremlin[it] |
| 20:26.26 | gremlin[it] | kergoth`food ok perferct :) |
| 20:26.31 | kergoth`food | koen and i talked about tslib, and koen is talking to you about x |
| 20:26.47 | kergoth`food | er pigi is |
| 20:26.53 | kergoth`food | itd help if i could read |
| 20:26.55 | kergoth`food | ~stab monday |
| 20:26.57 | ibot | ACTION runs at monday with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:27.03 | kergoth`food | take that! |
| 20:27.12 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 20:27.12 | gremlin[it] | ahhaha |
| 20:27.22 | CosmicPenguin | fastjar doesn't like the j2me repo |
| 20:28.14 | CosmicPenguin | Probably because there's crap on the end of the jar from the stupid extraction script |
| 20:28.24 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.56 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: if you want to extract a .jar unzip will work as well (and might be required) |
| 20:29.29 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: fastjar doesn't grok anything but v1 .zips |
| 20:29.41 | keturn | any tips on how to make a linux-kernel .bb with squashfs support? should I put the squashfs patches directly in my OE collection, or is there a way to say "file://that-patch-unpacked-by-the-squashfs-package-over-there"? |
| 20:29.44 | Pigi | ~lart kernel ooops |
| 20:29.50 | zecke | kergoth: todays' monday wasn't as evil as used to be... |
| 20:30.02 | Pigi | zecke, good for you :) |
| 20:30.06 | zecke | I've only wasted my weekend studying |
| 20:30.15 | gremlin[it] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.21 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: ahh... |
| 20:30.32 | zecke | the Professor is sick and my test was cancelled |
| 20:30.34 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: ok - the Gentoo ebuild was using jar, I figured I would need it too |
| 20:31.17 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: .jars are really just .zip files with a few "special" control files inside |
| 20:31.41 | mreimer | anyone here use oe on FreeBSD? |
| 20:31.47 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: the problem is that they can be zip v1 _or_ zip v2 |
| 20:31.48 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: mkay - unzip worked, so rock on |
| 20:31.59 | koen | hey mreimer |
| 20:32.01 | reenoo_ | CosmicPenguin: righto, cool |
| 20:32.01 | Pigi | zecke, you never waste a weekend if you are studing, you waste a w.e. if you are seek ( like I was :) ) |
| 20:32.04 | mreimer | hey koen! |
| 20:32.16 | koen | mreimer: some people use it in darwin |
| 20:32.38 | mreimer | do you know of any docs to describe how to get it configured? |
| 20:32.56 | koen | the wiki used to have some pointers on that |
| 20:33.15 | mreimer | I saw something about Build_OS and did that, but more seems to be needed. |
| 20:34.02 | mreimer | "patch: **** can't find 1" / "NOTE: Task failed:" / "NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_patch: failed" |
| 20:34.02 | gremlin[it] | diet-x11 : seem miss something about "Caucasus, Inupiak, Guarani" keyboard mapping .... |
| 20:34.18 | mreimer | koen: I'm guessing it's because bsd patch is different than gnu patch? |
| 20:34.29 | CosmicPenguin | reenoo_: ok, sweet - I've got binary packages building for the jre, jdk and j2me |
| 20:34.33 | CosmicPenguin | what a waste of time and space |
| 20:34.36 | koen | mreimer: I can only guess |
| 20:35.11 | mreimer | koen: Is there a way to specify the cmd to use for patch? I do have gnu patch installed as gpatch |
| 20:36.14 | koen | you'll have to grep for that I guess |
| 20:36.29 | koen | I *think* somewhere in classes/ |
| 20:36.36 | mreimer | koen: ok, thanks! |
| 20:37.31 | pb_ | hi mreimer |
| 20:37.41 | mreimer | hi pb_. |
| 20:38.14 | mreimer | It looks like after another round of tweaking samcop battery stuff should be in good shape |
| 20:38.20 | pb_ | mreimer: cool |
| 20:38.33 | pb_ | I chatted with szabolcs about that stuff earlier this afternoon |
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| 20:38.46 | pb_ | the w1 code seems to be a little funky, but I think we are getting to grips with it |
| 20:38.56 | reenoo_ | mreimer: check the quilt-native .bb and override its PATCHCMD by setting PATCHCMD_quilt-native = "..." in your local.conf |
| 20:39.04 | mreimer | pb_: yeah, thanks for your direction there |
| 20:39.13 | gremlin[it] | definetivelly seem there are missing key definition :( |
| 20:39.13 | mreimer | reenoo_: thanks! |
| 20:39.35 | gremlin[it] | tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/X11/keysymdef.h don't contain that ... ;( |
| 20:40.07 | keturn | a little confused by unionroot, because init.unionroot seems to pivot to a unionroot with a union of one element |
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| 20:41.49 | gremlin[it] | well ... /work/xproto-6.6.2-r0/xproto-6.6.2/keysymdef.h contain missing definition ... |
| 20:43.01 | kergoth | keturn: you can unionctl add other mountpoints to the / unionroot on the fly, cant you? :) |
| 20:43.12 | keturn | kergoth: I was just starting to realize that |
| 20:43.14 | kergoth | but really, i'd expect tehre to be a configuration file for that union |
| 20:43.17 | kergoth | for the initial setup |
| 20:43.33 | Pigi | I was sayng, pb_ : I need to create a new pigi-image.bb that has all the packages that I need. o wdo I say then to don't use the basic 3600 machine but not to include the three conf included ? |
| 20:43.34 | gremlin[it] | well forcing to build xproto-native (with bitbake -b) seem to have refresh staging tree !!! |
| 20:44.05 | punkass | is there a different subversion host of bitbake as the one listed in the wiki i get Connection Refused |
| 20:44.08 | kergoth | Pigi: dont depend on task-bootstrap. |
| 20:44.15 | kergoth | Pigi: the BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_ variables affect that meta package |
| 20:44.33 | kergoth | punkass: berlios.de is our svn host. |
| 20:44.37 | kergoth | punkass: you can grab a release tarball too. |
| 20:44.45 | kergoth | punkass: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake/ |
| 20:44.47 | punkass | hmm: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 20:44.47 | kergoth | punkass: grab 1.1 |
| 20:44.52 | punkass | ok |
| 20:45.27 | Pigi | kergoth, in effect I do need to include everithing from h3600.conf except for the ipaq-common and handheld-common. |
| 20:45.44 | keturn | that didn't work so well at all. "attempted to kill init" panic with no visible error messages. |
| 20:45.49 | punkass | this is what i have installed now: BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.1, bitbake version 1.2 |
| 20:45.58 | gremlin[it] | Pigi : redefien BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_* variables |
| 20:46.02 | punkass | so i assume i have the latest then |
| 20:46.06 | kergoth | punkass: should be fine. you dont need to update bitbake very often |
| 20:46.16 | punkass | ok then somethin funky is up |
| 20:46.24 | kergoth | whats the issue? |
| 20:46.34 | punkass | i tryed just to build one bb file and it still used up all my ram |
| 20:46.44 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 20:46.50 | kergoth | tried wiping the cache? rm -rf tmp/cache? |
| 20:47.09 | punkass | if i run bitbake it caches the files and uses all my 1gig and 500megs o swap. |
| 20:47.24 | kergoth | right, try disabling the cache. CACHE = "" in local.conf |
| 20:47.24 | punkass | not yet...didnt want to rebuild everything again |
| 20:47.28 | kergoth | worth a shot anyway |
| 20:47.32 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:47.34 | kergoth | you dont have to rebuild anything |
| 20:47.36 | kergoth | you mean reparse? |
| 20:47.40 | kergoth | the cache is just for the parsed files |
| 20:47.51 | punkass | oh right ok ill kill the tmp dir |
| 20:48.00 | kergoth | tmp/cache is the cache |
| 20:48.11 | kergoth | or as i siad, you can set CACHE = "" to disable using it |
| 20:48.15 | kergoth | just want to make sure that isnt the issue |
| 20:48.19 | punkass | ok |
| 20:50.58 | punkass | you get my mail? |
| 20:51.09 | kergoth | no |
| 20:51.28 | kergoth | hey, there it is :) |
| 20:51.36 | punkass | i am spam...noooooo |
| 20:51.45 | punkass | wierd |
| 20:52.04 | kergoth | weird, no spamassassin headers on it either |
| 20:54.29 | punkass | well ram usage looked got right up till the end no its sitting at 99% and ram is over 1.1 gigs |
| 20:54.53 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:55.18 | punkass | had to kill it...it takin down the machine :( |
| 20:56.37 | punkass | hmm looks like it may be the package i added.. |
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| 21:01.38 | gremlin[it] | about x11 ... are u sure nothing was changed about native packages ??? |
| 21:03.04 | Pigi | gremlin[it], may also be that you removed some work directory and that diet-x11 was depending on some include file that was there. |
| 21:03.10 | Pigi | It happens sometime. |
| 21:04.02 | gremlin[it] | Pigi ... if is is an error ... nothing have to depend on tmp/work ... but on tmp/staging ... :) |
| 21:04.47 | gremlin[it] | ... if it is, is an errror ... |
| 21:05.03 | Pigi | gremlin[it], you are right, but sometimes it could happen :) |
| 21:05.05 | [g2] | how do I override the FETCHCOMMAND to go to my local HTTP server first then out to the source URI ? |
| 21:05.53 | koen | make your server the tarball stash |
| 21:06.32 | [g2] | koen, I've got a tarball stash but it goes there (treke) second |
| 21:06.33 | kergoth | that only works for cvs |
| 21:06.47 | kergoth | for non-cvs, you should use PREMIRRORS |
| 21:06.53 | kergoth | which exists for exactly that reason |
| 21:07.04 | kergoth | look at the format of MIRRORS in base.bbclass |
| 21:07.10 | [g2] | thx |
| 21:07.15 | kergoth | do something like that, as a PREMIRRORS_prepend(), in a conf/mirrors.inc |
| 21:07.19 | kergoth | then include that in your local.conf |
| 21:07.21 | kergoth | thats what i do |
| 21:07.35 | kergoth | well, actually, my ~/.bb/conf/site.conf includes it, and ~/.bb is always in my BBPATH between build & oe |
| 21:07.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:08.30 | [g2] | ok I'll look at that |
| 21:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | crap - can't build matchbox without newest xorg crapola |
| 21:17.05 | keturn | it took a couple of times booting with the filesystem mounted rw and a manual run of depmod -a before it boots cleanly |
| 21:18.36 | gremlin[it] | no way !!! :( |
| 21:19.21 | keturn | getty is being run by user 1000 and doesn't seem to have permission to log me in? |
| 21:20.57 | punkass | when i try and build a package it just says started then completed but i know its not building it |
| 21:21.14 | punkass | i removed the files from work |
| 21:21.24 | kergoth | you didnt wipe the stamps |
| 21:21.28 | kergoth | theres a reason we dont recommend doing that |
| 21:21.31 | kergoth | use bitbake's 'clean' target |
| 21:21.40 | punkass | ah right ok |
| 21:21.50 | kergoth | bitbake -c clean blah, or bitbake -b /poath/to/blah.bb -c clean |
| 21:22.44 | punkass | ok one more for ya...NOTE: Not creating empty archive for lejos-2.1.0-r1 |
| 21:22.54 | keturn | tinylogin has suid bit set but is owned by 1000, not 0. (bitbake was run under user 1000, I guess.) is something supposed to change that? |
| 21:23.00 | kergoth | you need to install your files. write a do_install |
| 21:23.42 | punkass | i have do_install |
| 21:23.46 | punkass | do_install () { |
| 21:23.46 | punkass | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.46 | punkass | } |
| 21:24.16 | punkass | the frusterating this is that i only need the one shared library out of this whole app |
| 21:24.45 | punkass | so i am not sure what is easier...to just try and build the one library outside of bitbake or just create the package |
| 21:25.14 | keturn | something probably did change that and I'm just breaking things by using the "rootfs" directory as root instead of something from deploy/images |
| 21:27.41 | Pigi | arghhh. I hate him when ( i write something wrong and ) he says "nothing provide.... " |
| 21:28.06 | Pigi | another 15 minutes of "Handling BitBake...." |
| 21:28.25 | Pigi | ~lart pigi keyboard |
| 21:28.52 | Pigi | ~lart pigi finger |
| 21:29.34 | gremlin[it] | hahahhaha |
| 21:34.22 | gremlin[it] | byeeee |
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| 21:48.28 | Pigi | ok, I have created a pigi-image.bb and I have put in it the whole content of h3600.conf, ipaq-common, handheld-common and opie-kdepim-image. Then I have removed what do I don't need ( as openswan ) and added what do I need ( as kismet ) |
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| 21:48.50 | Pigi | but doing this way I do not get kismet in image and get openswan. |
| 21:49.46 | pb_ | well, your IPKG_INSTALL is the final authority on what gets installed. |
| 21:50.08 | Pigi | Sure, but every variable should have been overwritten, right ? |
| 21:50.10 | pb_ | so, if you are ending up with the wrong packages in the image, this is where the fault must lie. |
| 21:50.28 | pb_ | Pigi: Yes, but most of the variables in h3600.conf have no effect at that point. |
| 21:50.55 | pb_ | Overriding, say, BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS in the pigi-image.bb would be futile, because that variable only affects task-bootstrap.bb. |
| 21:51.21 | Pigi | but that is what is seems. So the best way would be to rename every variable ( at least where I do need to modify. |
| 21:51.38 | pb_ | You must construct your pigi-image.bb in such a way that it does not depend on task-bootstrap. Instead, you must call in all the packages that you need explicitly. |
| 21:51.50 | Pigi | Ok. |
| 21:52.50 | pb_ | task-bootstrap exists for a specific purpose: namely, to make a bootable image with maximum connectivity so that you can install more software. If you don't want some of these networking items, you shouldn't be including that task. |
| 21:52.50 | Pigi | is there a way to see what taskbootstrap contains ? |
| 21:53.13 | pb_ | dpkg-deb -I task-bootstrap.ipk, or bitbake -c showdata task-bootstrap.bb|grep RDEPENDS |
| 21:53.24 | Pigi | wow. nice |
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| 22:04.55 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 22:05.15 | CosmicPenguin | in my weaker moments, I really miss a USE statement in BB |
| 22:05.34 | kergoth | Pigi: i usually ar p blah.ipk ./control.tar.gz | tar -zxO ./control |
| 22:05.45 | kergoth | Pigi: have it in a bashrc shell function |
| 22:05.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06.03 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, i dont like USe itself much, but the idea of a consistent configuration mechanism is a Good Thing |
| 22:07.00 | Pigi | but no tingluding the task-bootstrap I do need to define also the bootstrap_modutils_depends and bootstrap_modutils_rdepends, right ? |
| 22:07.14 | kergoth | define? |
| 22:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: especially with the GUI stuff, it would be nice to omit GPE extensions, for example |
| 22:07.32 | CosmicPenguin | But, fork and modify works in a pinch |
| 22:07.49 | Pigi | sorry, I see that in task-bootstrap.bb there are those two "def bootstrap_modutils_depends(d)" |
| 22:08.20 | kergoth | those are just python functions that return dependencies as a string based on the MODUTILS variable |
| 22:08.28 | kergoth | yeah, you'd rpobably want something like that |
| 22:08.44 | Pigi | I suspect that :) |
| 22:09.00 | kergoth | otherwise you'd have no modutils |
| 22:09.05 | kergoth | and i expect taht wouldnt work out well :) |
| 22:10.00 | Pigi | eheheh |
| 22:11.01 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 22:11.04 | kergoth | zecke: |
| 22:11.06 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/projects/oe/build-omap/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux-uclibc/3.4.3/../../../../arm-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: a.out: hidden symbol `main' in /tmp/ccOwW2QH.o is referenced by DSO |
| 22:11.10 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/code/projects/oe/build-omap/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux-uclibc/3.4.3/../../../../arm-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output |
| 22:11.13 | kergoth | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 22:11.29 | kergoth | zecke: i cant build tslib because my m4 macros add the visibility bits, but then -fvisibility=hidden gets used _in autoconf test compiles_ |
| 22:11.37 | kergoth | zecke: which blows up rather spectacularly |
| 22:14.04 | zecke | hehe |
| 22:14.45 | kergoth | i'm thinking VIS_CFLAGS and VIS_CXXFLAGS |
| 22:14.51 | kergoth | then the developer adds those to the Makefile.am's |
| 22:16.32 | keturn | the modutils init script depends /etc/modules. I don't seem to have an /etc/modules, so it never runs depmod -Ae. that's bad. |
| 22:17.02 | kergoth | isnt update-modules supposed to create taht? |
| 22:17.18 | koen|tv | /nic[B/nick koen |
| 22:17.26 | koen|tv | grrr |
| 22:18.13 | CosmicPenguin | does matchbox panel only work with apm? |
| 22:18.20 | pb_ | eh? |
| 22:18.36 | pb_ | matchbox-panel shouldn't have any requirement for apm. |
| 22:18.46 | CosmicPenguin | So it only pulls in apmd for convinence? |
| 22:18.57 | pb_ | at run time, or at build time? |
| 22:19.00 | CosmicPenguin | build time |
| 22:19.00 | koen | pb_: the battery applet uses libapm iirc |
| 22:19.05 | pb_ | it needs apm at build time so it can build the battery applet |
| 22:19.15 | pb_ | but, at run time, the panel itself doesn't need apm at all |
| 22:19.22 | keturn | my module-init-tools doesn't seem to provide an update-modules. |
| 22:19.53 | pb_ | keturn: nobody's module-init-tools provides update-modules |
| 22:20.00 | pb_ | the aptly-named update-modules package does that. |
| 22:20.25 | kergoth | hrm, i better call my bank so this purchase goes through |
| 22:20.28 | kergoth | damn daily limits |
| 22:20.44 | pb_ | kergoth: doh |
| 22:20.51 | CosmicPenguin | daily limits? |
| 22:21.04 | kergoth | yeah, they have a max charge amount per day. check card. |
| 22:21.15 | CosmicPenguin | thats suckful |
| 22:21.50 | treke | I think that's pretty standard |
| 22:21.53 | kergoth | yep, particularly since i use it for everything |
| 22:22.03 | Pigi | CosmicPenguin, that depends on howmuch the amount is. Some time it could save you :) |
| 22:22.04 | treke | the idea is you dan't want someone to be able to just drain you dry when they have the card |
| 22:22.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:22.29 | CosmicPenguin | But they claim that you're protected if that happens |
| 22:22.40 | treke | CosmicPenguin: I've never heard that claim |
| 22:22.53 | treke | they've tried to sell me some "protection" though |
| 22:22.55 | CosmicPenguin | treke: you haven't seen that commercial with Trump? |
| 22:23.03 | CosmicPenguin | He loses his card off hte top of the building, and goes dumpster diving for it |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | there's that other one with all the superheroes too |
| 22:23.16 | Pigi | CosmicPenguin, you are protected by other stolen, but not by yours. |
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| 22:23.33 | CosmicPenguin | Pigi: I don't need to be protected from myself |
| 22:23.44 | Pigi | I do need..... eheheh |
| 22:23.54 | treke | of course I rarely spend 300 bucks in a day on the check card |
| 22:23.56 | Pigi | I just bought 5 ipaq in the last year |
| 22:24.06 | treke | Pigi: hehe |
| 22:24.07 | koen | or wireless :) |
| 22:24.31 | kergoth | i used to not be able to write any checks, cause it was my minnesota bank |
| 22:24.32 | Pigi | koen, too can't enumerate how many wifi card I got. |
| 22:26.23 | CosmicPenguin | 14 seconds per c file |
| 22:26.45 | treke | CosmicPenguin: because you're building on a PC? |
| 22:27.06 | Pigi | who provide sysvinit-pidof ? |
| 22:27.10 | CosmicPenguin | treke: ? |
| 22:27.50 | treke | CosmicPenguin: your kernel build box is an IBM PC? |
| 22:28.01 | CosmicPenguin | oh... heh |
| 22:28.06 | CosmicPenguin | slighly faster then that |
| 22:32.47 | pb_ | Pigi: sysvinit-pidof is its own package. it's part of sysvinit.bb |
| 22:34.23 | Pigi | pb_ sorry to bother again, but I have copied the content of task-bootstrap in my image file, and then modifies everthig to follow my needs, but building I got the message that nothig provide sysvinit-pidof |
| 22:34.38 | pb_ | Pigi: that sounds like you have mixed up DEPENDS and RDEPENDS. |
| 22:34.55 | Pigi | that could be :) |
| 22:35.09 | Pigi | it's really hard to follow everithing :) |
| 22:35.10 | pb_ | sysvinit-pidof can be in RDEPENDS, but must not be in DEPENDS. |
| 22:36.59 | Pigi | I see. |
| 22:38.51 | Pigi | but when a package has DEPENDS = task-bootstrap would it inherit either DEPENDS then RDEPENDS from task-bootstrap ? |
| 22:41.03 | keturn | is update-modules even used with module-init-tools? |
| 22:42.35 | keturn | it's all /etc/modutils ish and not /etc/modprobe.d y |
| 22:42.57 | kergoth | keturn: not yet, we need to pull in debian's update-modules that can handle modprobe.conf |
| 22:43.08 | kergoth | keturn: want to volunteer to do that? ;) |
| 22:46.13 | keturn | bleh, why not. |
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| 22:48.39 | pb_ | Pigi: DEPENDS is build-time dependencies. RDEPENDS is what ends up in the Depends: field of the ipkg control file. |
| 22:50.12 | keturn | so if modutils-initscripts doesn't work without update-modules, should it rdepend on it? |
| 22:51.03 | kergoth | zecke: whats your opinion on using hidden visibility with binaries. is it worthwhile to only export main? |
| 22:51.12 | kergoth | zecke: er, s/binaries/executables/ |
| 22:51.36 | Pigi | pb_ ok. I think I will go back debbugging ipkg, and maybe rewriting it in asm before I understand how do those new game works ;) |
| 22:52.24 | kergoth | keturn: modutils-initscripts needs an /etc/modules, but _who_ provides that could vary. it could be either generated by update-modules, or installed by modutils-collateral, iirc |
| 22:53.32 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:58.36 | CIA-8 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.3152 10openembedded/packages/gpe-nmf/gpe-nmf_0.19.bb: gpe-nmf: add a bunch of gst-plugins to RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS. MP3 playback should work now. |
| 22:58.52 | Pigi | time to sleep now |
| 22:58.55 | Pigi | nite all |
| 22:59.04 | pb_ | Pigi: good night |
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| 23:03.20 | file | kergoth: half baked python install I think... part of it's missing |
| 23:03.30 | kergoth | paste the error |
| 23:03.53 | file | error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) |
| 23:04.13 | CIA-8 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.3153 10openembedded/packages/gpe-nmf/gpe-nmf_0.19.bb: gpe-nmf: add potentially missing space in RDEPENDS. |
| 23:04.15 | kergoth | ow |
| 23:05.18 | file | what a nice response! |
| 23:05.24 | zecke | kergoth: the generated code should be better |
| 23:05.45 | zecke | kergoth: but it is a hassle to export each main method |
| 23:06.49 | pb_ | reenoo_: fwiw, that particular missing space was not very important. the leading space on the next line will do just fine. |
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| 23:07.32 | april | waz up room |
| 23:07.42 | april | who wants to chat |
| 23:07.46 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:08.08 | kergoth | this channel exists for the openembedded project. if you arent here to talk about that, go away |
| 23:10.44 | reenoo_ | pb_: well, the leading space on the next line is in fact a tab ;) so, if \ is changed to escape newlines and tabs (I forget who suggested that) things would break |
| 23:10.45 | reenoo_ | s/suggested/proposed/ |
| 23:11.49 | kergoth | zecke: whats annoying is, say for tslib's test apps for example, they'd need to -import- the symbols from libts, and export its main, so it cant just use the tslib.h macros, they'd need their own set of visibility macros |
| 23:11.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12.13 | treke | kergoth: did you ever get everything to build with zlib + visibility? |
| 23:12.47 | kergoth | naw, build got hung up, thats what i'm playing with now |
| 23:12.49 | kergoth | just got stopped by tslib |
| 23:18.55 | zecke | kergoth: yeah that would suck |
| 23:19.15 | zecke | kergoth: and I wouldn't use -fvisibility=hidden there (tslib apps) |
| 23:19.58 | kergoth | zecke: nod, it isnt likely to be a big win there. |
| 23:20.03 | kergoth | zecke: other apps, itd be more useful |
| 23:20.07 | kergoth | but the same problem applies anywhere |
| 23:20.33 | kergoth | that which _uses_ the lib cant use the lib's visibility macros for its own symbols, it needs its own |
| 23:21.05 | file | there, done |
| 23:21.12 | file | now - to see if this works |
| 23:21.42 | file | nifty |
| 23:22.15 | pb_ | reenoo_: having \ treat leading tabs specially seems like a bad idea. Any leading whitespace, either tabs or spaces, should be treated as equivalent. |
| 23:23.51 | reenoo_ | pb_: yeah, all sorts of random breakage would happen >:) it wasn't my proposal anyway. or maybe I misunderstood something |
| 23:24.45 | pb_ | where did you see that proposal? |
| 23:25.09 | zecke | pb_: opie-image and meta-opie built |
| 23:25.31 | pb_ | zecke: very good |
| 23:26.54 | reenoo_ | pb_: I don't remember exactly. it came up when someone wasn't happy with the resulting Depends: or Source: lines in the ipks. I'm pretty sure it wasn't proposed by any of the core devs though. |
| 23:28.27 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:29.28 | treke | hehe |
| 23:29.38 | treke | see makefiles for why tabs and spaces being different sucks :p |
| 23:29.52 | reenoo_ | heh, yeah |
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| 23:32.49 | CosmicPenguin | If it looks ugly in the Depends: or Sources: lines, then it really seems like its the responsiblity of hte packager to make sure the lines are sane |
| 23:33.13 | CosmicPenguin | s/\t/ /g isn't that hard, after all |
| 23:33.41 | kergoth | heh, just have the package_ipk do a quick split() on whitespace, then rejoin |
| 23:35.18 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: as it happens, I checked in a patch to package_ipk.bbclass this morning to have it canonicalise whitespace in Source:. |
| 23:35.28 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 23:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | ask, and ye shall recieve |
| 23:36.02 | CosmicPenguin | assuming ,of course, you remember that i is before e except after c |
| 23:36.03 | pb_ | afaik, we never had a problem with Depends: in the first place, since that's generated by join()ing an array. |
| 23:43.42 | zecke | good nite |
| 23:47.25 | kergoth | hmm, i guess tslib plugins shoiuld probably have their own vis macros |
| 23:47.39 | kergoth | since they need to import symbols from libts, not export them, and export their own symbols |
| 23:49.03 | kergoth | file: did you get it working? |
| 23:50.31 | file | kergoth: eh dealing with Level3 stuff right now |
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| 23:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | http://zlibc.linux.lu/ |
| 23:56.45 | CosmicPenguin | interesting |
| 23:56.50 | kergoth | file: ah |
| 23:56.57 | kergoth | treke: found the bug with zlib visibility. fixed. testing. |
| 23:59.41 | reenoo_ | heh |