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| 00:38.15 | CosmicPenguin | Its a pita to type in my damn nfs mount all the time |
| 00:38.30 | CosmicPenguin | I should set up some sort of TFTP thing to get the configuration automagically |
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| 04:00.59 | molivier | hi all |
| 04:02.26 | molivier | i have forget the parameter to add in my local.conf file to get optimisation for cpu |
| 04:15.36 | kergoth | molivier: look at the tune-*.conf in openembedded/conf/machine/ |
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| 04:16.23 | treke|ho1e | bleh |
| 04:16.29 | molivier | must be something like TARGET_FPU i think |
| 04:16.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:16.31 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 04:16.34 | molivier | kergoth, i will check |
| 04:17.00 | treke|home | kergoth, know any simple to set up console imap clients? |
| 04:17.11 | kergoth | hmm, not offhand |
| 04:17.17 | treke|home | they moved my mailbox at work, so i can't get to it via webmail :p |
| 04:17.20 | kergoth | mutt hasnt been very happy with imap in my experience |
| 04:17.25 | kergoth | works though |
| 04:17.34 | treke|home | yeah, mut was a bit of pain when i tried it last |
| 04:18.40 | treke|home | how many more times are we going to get this post from Gints? |
| 04:18.55 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 04:19.11 | kergoth | i saw one |
| 04:19.15 | treke|home | indeed. I need to reinstate that |
| 04:19.18 | jcrouse | eww... get a room! :) |
| 04:19.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:19.25 | treke|home | 13 at this point |
| 04:22.37 | treke|home | kergoth, started downloading NWN, maybe i'll finish it this time :) |
| 04:22.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:23.27 | treke|home | a very long download :p |
| 04:27.27 | kergoth | this band is odd |
| 04:27.59 | kergoth | http://www.dresdendolls.com/downloads_n_lyrics/mp3/MissedMe.mp3 |
| 04:28.00 | kergoth | http://www.dresdendolls.com/video/coinop/dd_coin_480x270.wmv |
| 04:28.11 | kergoth | http://www.dresdendolls.com/video/winmedia/DD-GA_300k.wmv |
| 04:28.14 | jcrouse | german band? |
| 04:28.18 | kergoth | naw |
| 04:28.56 | jcrouse | Ahh... I thought Dresden meant something... :) |
| 04:29.13 | kergoth | just a strange combination of genres |
| 04:29.17 | kergoth | quite good though |
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| 04:31.28 | jcrouse | Heh - last Futurama episode |
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| 05:11.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:14.07 | bluelightning | chouimat|Zzzz: night |
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| 07:18.12 | treke|home | gints|axapta_cla: you really need a new email provider |
| 07:18.13 | treke|home | badly |
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| 07:36.50 | gints|axapta_cla | treke|home: I feel so too |
| 07:37.57 | gints|axapta_cla | actualy was no problem so far... |
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| 08:17.12 | gremlin[it] | hi to all ;) |
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| 08:30.14 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:34.11 | gremlin[it] | hi koen :) |
| 08:36.45 | koen | hey gremlin[it] |
| 08:37.41 | gremlin[it] | i just subscribed to oe mailinglist ... |
| 08:38.37 | cedric | how do I regenerate my Packages file under build/tmp/deploy/ipk ?? |
| 08:38.49 | gints|axapta_cla | hi koen |
| 08:38.55 | koen | hey gints|axapta_cla |
| 08:39.52 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:39.58 | hrw|work | cedric: rebuild bootstrap-image |
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| 08:42.11 | cedric | hrw|work: so If I've "bibake minimo" then do bitbake "bootstrap-image" then minimo should be part of the Packages files?? |
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| 08:43.18 | hrw|work | cedric: bitbake -cclean bootstrap-image;bitbake bootstrap-image |
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| 09:00.59 | hrw|work | hi XorA |
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| 09:04.00 | hrw|work | someone with opie running on device here? |
| 09:04.21 | bluelightning | I had it working until I borked my libqte2... hopefully have it working in a sec |
| 09:04.47 | hrw|work | can you install opie-eye and try to delete imagefile from it? |
| 09:05.22 | XorA | hi hrw |
| 09:05.40 | XorA | hrw|work: need to get an image to build before I run opie :-) |
| 09:05.53 | bluelightning | hrw|work: ok sure, just as soon as I get it working again :) |
| 09:06.06 | bluelightning | btw can busybox ar create archives or only extract? |
| 09:06.09 | gints|axapta_cla | hrw|work: I get SIGSEGV when choose DirView... |
| 09:06.24 | hrw|work | bluelightning: never tried |
| 09:06.42 | hrw|work | gints: my version from yesterday works ok |
| 09:06.57 | gints|axapta_cla | should update then... |
| 09:07.35 | bluelightning | looks like it can't :( damn |
| 09:09.40 | hrw|work | bluelightning: thx - will report it then |
| 09:09.54 | hrw|work | today I have opie bugreporting day |
| 09:09.58 | hrw|work | 3 already added |
| 09:10.31 | bluelightning | I could beat that, I have a whole list of things here |
| 09:10.43 | hrw|work | so report them and try to fix |
| 09:10.44 | bluelightning | they're all pretty low priority though which is why I haven't added them as bugs |
| 09:10.51 | bluelightning | I know I should :) |
| 09:11.38 | bluelightning | hrw|work: btw when I said "it can't" I meant ar, not opie-eye... sorry for any confusion |
| 09:11.44 | hrw|work | aha |
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| 09:14.01 | hrw|work | hi bernardo |
| 09:14.40 | Bernardo | hi hrw|work |
| 09:15.07 | hrw|work | Bernardo: do you have opie somewhere on device? |
| 09:15.28 | hrw|work | Bernardo: and then - can you install opie-eye and try to delete imagefile from it? |
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| 09:20.03 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I have my 5500 with opie-eye installed, but I don't think I have any imagefile on it, let me try to transfer one |
| 09:23.10 | hrw|work | Bernardo: ok |
| 09:23.12 | Bernardo | it isn't resuming... reboot once more... :( |
| 09:23.47 | Bernardo | it wasn't suspending, it seems, it still had the usbnet up |
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| 09:28.11 | ade|desk | morning |
| 09:29.51 | Bernardo | hi ade|desk |
| 09:33.51 | Bernardo | hrw|work: I can't even get it to show dir view, it dies with a sigsegv |
| 09:36.54 | hrw|work | ;( |
| 09:41.12 | Bernardo | was that to be expected? :) Also, opie-apearance isn't showing font sizes, only 0, 1, 1, and selecting any of these doesn't help |
| 09:41.27 | XorA | ~lart libtool |
| 09:44.21 | Bernardo | hi XorA |
| 09:44.39 | Bernardo | I got qpdf2 to build and install with your fixes, thanks. |
| 09:44.42 | bluelightning | hrw|work: ok, opie-eye delete works here... |
| 09:45.12 | Bernardo | Only thing missing are the icons inside qpdf2 (for the toolbar) |
| 09:45.18 | XorA | Bernardo: cool, in return fix pcre for me, I really dont understand libtool |
| 09:46.16 | Bernardo | I'll try - last night I had 10 minutes pc time, was enough for a "bk pull ..." and a build of qpdf2, maybe today I get some more time at home |
| 09:46.29 | Bernardo | but pcre was building, what error is it giving you? |
| 09:46.52 | XorA | Bernardo: It pulls in /usr/lib and /lib when its making the sharable library in the make install |
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| 09:47.02 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 09:47.04 | hrw|work | Bernardo: fonts are bug in qt/e |
| 09:49.11 | Bernardo | XorA: I've seen that one too... :( I had to remove sdl on my build machine to get some stuff to build because of that. And zuc is broken also the same way |
| 09:49.17 | Bernardo | hi florian_hrz |
| 09:49.41 | Bernardo | hrw|work: ok, maybe by the next snapshot they'll be fixed. |
| 09:50.04 | hrw|work | someone used 'eagle' maybe? I need button for 'sync' button |
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| 09:59.56 | XorA | Bernardo: as far as I can see it all goes well until libtool --mode=install is called, the paths are all correct, but libtool suddenly decides that instal of installing to pcre/image/usr/lib it is installing over top of my /usr/lib/libpcre*, really looks like libtool is b0rked |
| 10:07.57 | hrw|work | FSCKING ipkg! |
| 10:09.03 | bluelightning | hrw|work: yep, I was wrestling with it earlier... really annoying at times |
| 10:09.22 | bluelightning | honestly, one of these days I'm going to go over the edge and start coding on it or something :) |
| 10:09.25 | hrw|work | I hate when package overwrite my configs |
| 10:09.48 | hrw|work | I have to keep backup of whole /etc/ |
| 10:09.59 | hrw|work | fstab, ipkg.conf, pcmcia/ide.opts etc.... |
| 10:10.00 | hrw|work | argh |
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| 10:26.35 | hrw|work | hi pb |
| 10:26.44 | hrw|work | konq/e fails on HwB :( |
| 10:28.48 | Bernardo | XorA: ouch. |
| 10:28.59 | XorA | nope, still not a clue, the arm-linux-libtool that is generated in the build is obsessed with search /usr/lib |
| 10:31.14 | XorA | Bernardo: what is it with these people, "I need the unseen risks for my risk analysis" well doh! |
| 10:32.14 | Bernardo | he is insisting we need more "critical sense"... doh... |
| 10:33.22 | Bernardo | anyway, time to rewrite a bloody vb printer interface... :( |
| 10:33.56 | hrw|work | vb? visualbasic? |
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| 10:40.38 | Bernardo | yes... :( |
| 10:42.37 | hrw|work | basic... argh |
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| 10:44.37 | XorA | Hmm, I think the problem is libtool needs to use a library it has just installed in pcre/image/usr/lib to make the next library in the chain, of course the image dirs are not searched so it falls back to /usr/lib. I have no clue how to fix that |
| 10:45.56 | pb_ | hi hrw|work |
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| 11:04.40 | hrw|work | hmm.. 160MiB machine for bitbake/oe |
| 11:04.42 | hrw|work | ~bbcow |
| 11:04.43 | ibot | bbcow is, like, a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 11:05.54 | _law_ | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r13: task do_fetch started |
| 11:05.54 | _law_ | NOTE: Fetch cvs://anoncvs@sources.redhat.com/cvs/glibc;module=libc;date=20040726 |
| 11:05.54 | _law_ | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 11:05.55 | _law_ | NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: libc |
| 11:05.55 | _law_ | ERROR: package glibc-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r13: task do_fetch failed |
| 11:05.58 | _law_ | any ideas? |
| 11:06.18 | koen | looks like it can't contact the server |
| 11:06.52 | gremlin[it] | seem problem on server /// |
| 11:07.51 | hrw|work | _law_: turn on CVS_TARBALL_STASH in local.conf |
| 11:08.26 | _law_ | which mirror? |
| 11:08.42 | hrw|work | there is only one afaik |
| 11:08.46 | suix | hi |
| 11:09.27 | suix | I'm tryieng to compile familiar with openembbeded |
| 11:09.37 | koen | suix: me too! |
| 11:09.45 | suix | it sayys that I need bitkeeper |
| 11:09.51 | _law_ | can you send me your local.conf? |
| 11:09.51 | suix | or I can get a snapshot |
| 11:10.01 | suix | but am |
| 11:10.19 | suix | but about the local.conf can we use the familiar-0.8....conf? |
| 11:10.25 | _law_ | hrw|work: or only the required lines |
| 11:10.28 | hrw|work | _law_: look into openembedded/conf/local.conf.sample |
| 11:10.47 | _law_ | hrw|work: but there is no CVS_TARBALL_STASH line |
| 11:10.50 | hrw|work | _law_: there is only one |
| 11:10.56 | hrw|work | # Specifies a location to search for pre-generated tarballs when fetching |
| 11:10.56 | hrw|work | # a cvs:// URI. Outcomment this, if you always want to pull directly from CVS. |
| 11:10.56 | hrw|work | CVS_TARBALL_STASH = "http://www.treke.net/oe/source/" |
| 11:11.08 | _law_ | thanks |
| 11:11.46 | koen | suix: that's what the familiar*.conf are for |
| 11:11.55 | suix | ? |
| 11:12.19 | suix | for compiling familiar? |
| 11:12.22 | koen | to build familiar |
| 11:12.25 | suix | ok |
| 11:12.48 | suix | so i only have to copy the familiar.conf to the build directory... |
| 11:12.51 | suix | ok |
| 11:12.54 | suix | thanks |
| 11:12.55 | koen | suix: no |
| 11:12.59 | hrw|work | suix: Dont copy |
| 11:13.03 | koen | read gettingStarted again |
| 11:13.35 | koen | set DISTRO="familiar-0.8.0" in your local.conf (or 0.8.1 for that matter) |
| 11:13.53 | hrw|work | or just "familiar" even |
| 11:17.10 | suix | ok |
| 11:21.26 | suix | what diferencies are between familiar 0.8.0 and 0.8.1¿ |
| 11:22.09 | hrw|work | 0.8.0 was released, 0.8.1 will be released |
| 11:22.22 | hrw|work | between them was many changes |
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| 11:25.33 | suix | I'm getting an error when I try to compile opie-image |
| 11:25.56 | hrw|work | suix: by glassball is in repair - sorry |
| 11:26.13 | hrw|work | in other words - "an error" means "?" |
| 11:26.53 | hrw|work | suix: do you know what color my tshirt is? rather not. and I dont know what error you got |
| 11:27.10 | suix | yes |
| 11:27.14 | suix | is a blue one |
| 11:27.19 | suix | no? |
| 11:27.21 | suix | :D |
| 11:28.43 | suix | http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/662 |
| 11:32.52 | hrw|work | suix: remove leading space from TARGET_ARCH |
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| 11:40.59 | mickeyl | morning |
| 11:41.28 | XorA | morning mickeyl |
| 11:42.19 | gremlin[it] | go to lunch :) :) :) byyyy |
| 11:42.38 | suix | ok |
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| 11:43.29 | reenoo | morning |
| 11:43.38 | mickeyl | morgen reenoo |
| 11:43.50 | reenoo | moin mickeyl |
| 11:43.50 | suix | now it runs |
| 11:43.53 | mickeyl | koen: ping |
| 11:43.54 | suix | thanks |
| 11:45.56 | pb_ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 11:47.17 | mickeyl | morning pb_ |
| 11:48.30 | koen | mickeyl: pong |
| 11:48.49 | mickeyl | koen: I'm afraid we have to PREFERRED_VERSIONS_libqte2 = "2.3.7" for familiar 0.8.1 |
| 11:49.03 | mickeyl | 2.3.10-snaps contain a misterious font bug |
| 11:49.04 | koen | 2.3.10 gives to much problems? |
| 11:49.08 | mickeyl | yes |
| 11:49.08 | koen | ah, ok |
| 11:49.13 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 11:49.30 | koen | I'll stick that in fam-0.8.1.conf |
| 11:49.35 | mickeyl | ok |
| 11:49.38 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 11:49.50 | mickeyl | it's a bit unfortunate since 2.3.10 has advantages |
| 11:49.55 | mickeyl | but nothing we can do but pester the Trolls |
| 11:49.57 | mickeyl | ... |
| 11:50.04 | reenoo | hehe |
| 11:50.08 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl |
| 11:50.36 | koen | mickeyl: do we still need a PREFERRED_VERSION_qte-for-opie = "2.3.7"? |
| 11:50.36 | mickeyl | morning Bernardo |
| 11:50.38 | Bernardo | the bug would be the one where the font size options show as 0, 1 and 1 in opie-apearance? |
| 11:50.48 | mickeyl | koen: ah right, that's the one. |
| 11:50.51 | mickeyl | not libqte2 |
| 11:50.58 | mickeyl | it is still in? |
| 11:51.06 | koen | yes |
| 11:51.07 | mickeyl | oh heh. nothing to do then :) |
| 11:52.06 | hrw|work | Bernardo: yes |
| 11:55.42 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3060 10openembedded/conf/distro/familiar-0.8.1.conf: update familiar-0.8.1.conf (opie 1.1.9, dbus 0.23, matchbox bits) |
| 11:56.51 | koen | mickeyl: is oz-3.5.3 known to work? |
| 11:57.13 | koen | I might steal the PREFERRED modules-stuff from it |
| 11:58.09 | mickeyl | yep, 3.5.3 works fine here |
| 12:12.09 | koen | mickeyl: so it should be safe to remove the PREFERRED_VERSION for the wlan modules? |
| 12:12.45 | mickeyl | yes, i changed the DEFAULT_PREFERENCE in the newer modules so that the older ones get built except you explicitly want the newer ones |
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| 12:14.32 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3061 10openembedded/packages/dbus/dbus_0.23.bb: correct location of dbus services directory |
| 12:15.43 | mallum | anyone used oprofile .bb in oe ? |
| 12:17.44 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3062 10openembedded/conf/distro/familiar-0.8.1.conf: |
| 12:17.44 | CIA-4 | familiar-0.8.1.conf: |
| 12:17.44 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.41 | hrw|work | ~lart authors using std::c* in qt apps |
| 12:26.20 | hrw|work | | obj/pwminit.o(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV14PwMApplication+0x48): undefined reference to `QPEApplication::polish(QWidget*)' |
| 12:26.40 | hrw|work | bug in app or in packaging? |
| 12:28.21 | mickeyl | looks like it wasn't built against the Opie headers of libqpe |
| 12:28.26 | mickeyl | libqte even |
| 12:28.36 | mickeyl | that happens when you build stuff against non-opie qte |
| 12:28.47 | mickeyl | or a mix of it |
| 12:29.01 | gints|axapta_cla | What ppl say.. DEBUG_BUILD = "1" is used when I do bitbake -b path_to_package.bb |
| 12:29.24 | hrw|work | aha will look closer |
| 12:29.26 | gints|axapta_cla | I just want only one package for debuging.. |
| 12:33.48 | mickeyl | DEBUG_BUILD_<packagename> = "1" into local.conf |
| 12:34.10 | mickeyl | or DEBUG_BUILD = "1" bitbake ... should also work |
| 12:34.15 | mickeyl | test it using bbread |
| 12:35.58 | pb_ | DEBUG_BUILD_<packagename> = "1" won't work. |
| 12:36.07 | pb_ | there's no pseudo-override handling for DEBUG_BUILD |
| 12:36.43 | mickeyl | why not? is there special treatment? |
| 12:41.33 | pb_ | yes. CVSDATE_<packagename> only works because of special hacks in the fetcher. |
| 12:41.45 | pb_ | ${PN} is not actually an override. |
| 12:41.59 | mickeyl | ah of course |
| 12:42.01 | mickeyl | thanks for reminding |
| 12:50.59 | koen | mickey|lunch: will the new OOO newsletter coincide with oz-353/fam082? |
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| 12:59.07 | hrw|work | YES :) all my patches to kdepimpi will be in 2.0.1 ;) |
| 12:59.20 | Cwiiis[uni] | hrw|work: What patches are they? |
| 12:59.35 | XorA | hrw|work: you are the pimp meister :-) |
| 13:00.01 | hrw|work | Cwiiis[uni]: building ones |
| 13:00.20 | hrw|work | Cwiiis[uni]: qt/e 2.3.10, includes from right place etc. |
| 13:00.27 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, ok :) |
| 13:00.29 | hrw|work | but finally I dont have to update them |
| 13:00.34 | Cwiiis[uni] | cool :) |
| 13:01.08 | XorA | hmmm, unionsfs makes my image useless :-( |
| 13:01.19 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: I put unionroot on the roadmap for fam 0.9: http://familiar.handhelds.org/#roadmap |
| 13:01.55 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Cool :) I semi-figured out why it's not working at the moment and I'm rebuilding it... Won't finish for a week or so yet though, with exams and all |
| 13:02.03 | Cwiiis[uni] | I think I figured it out anyway :p |
| 13:02.15 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: you have 5 months left :) |
| 13:02.24 | koen | Cwiiis[uni]: what do think is the problem? |
| 13:03.56 | XorA | I seem to be missing /sbin/mount.busybox |
| 13:06.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | koen: Mounting at init and using pivot_root messes things up with unionfs and makes it think it has two mounts - That then keeps all dirs busy and stops you from unmounting things (and also seems to mess up X apps, coincidentally :p) - A working solution (I had it working in theory long ago) would be to create an init script that gets launched before the login/DM that then unmount's external media, unionfs's / and chroot's to the union (without p |
| 13:06.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | ivot_root), then remounting external media with unionroot-utils |
| 13:07.43 | Cwiiis[uni] | That solution would be a lot simpler than supplementing init as well, I'm not sure why I didn't do it in the first place :p |
| 13:08.07 | XorA | Is there a quick way to build an image without unionfs? |
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| 13:15.02 | koen | INIT: VERBOSE=no requested, but /proc/progress not available. |
| 13:15.02 | koen | mount: Mounting proc on /proc failed: Device or resource busy |
| 13:15.05 | hrw|work | I wrote new version of rm_work.bbclass |
| 13:15.24 | hrw|work | removes all except "temp" directory |
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| 13:17.41 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: unionfs shouldn't be the default - clean task-bootstrap-unionroot and remove the ipks from tmp/deploy/ipk and update your OE files |
| 13:17.45 | XorA | when does pkg_postinst run? |
| 13:18.08 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: During creation of the rootfs, if it can, otherwise on first boot |
| 13:18.34 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: Im guessing the busybox one didnt run |
| 13:19.27 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: Check the logs |
| 13:19.52 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: where do I find the rootfs log? |
| 13:20.20 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: in tmp/work/xxx-image/temp/log.do_rootfs*, something like that |
| 13:21.25 | XorA | (offline root mode: not running busybox.postinst) |
| 13:22.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: It still gets run, look further down |
| 13:24.08 | XorA | + '[' -f /home/dp/zaurus/build/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst ']' |
| 13:24.09 | XorA | + sh /home/dp/zaurus/build/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst configu |
| 13:24.09 | XorA | re |
| 13:24.14 | XorA | is the next mention |
| 13:24.29 | Cwiiis[uni] | Looks like it's being run then |
| 13:24.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | Have you inspected the lines around there? |
| 13:25.13 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: has nothing that says error to me |
| 13:25.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: Anything that would indicate it has/hasn't been successful though? |
| 13:25.54 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: no, there is nothing that mentions anything that the postinst does |
| 13:26.28 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: Let me ssh home and see... |
| 13:28.22 | XorA | one small x86_64 problem though |
| 13:28.31 | XorA | arm-linux-depmo[21451] general protection rip:2a957d8cc8 rsp:7fbffea000 error:0 |
| 13:28.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: + '[' -f /home/cwiiis/oe/build1/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst ']' |
| 13:28.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | + sh /home/cwiiis/oe/build1/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/busybox.postinst configure |
| 13:28.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | update-alternatives: Linking /home/cwiiis/oe/build1/tmp/rootfs//bin/mount to /bin/mount.busybox |
| 13:28.32 | Cwiiis[uni] | update-alternatives: Linking /home/cwiiis/oe/build1/tmp/rootfs//bin/umount to /bin/umount.busybox |
| 13:28.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | Works for me |
| 13:28.47 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: no lines like that |
| 13:29.05 | Cwiiis[uni] | Clean busybox, clean your cache, update OE and try again I guess |
| 13:30.35 | hrw|work | lunch time |
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| 13:44.35 | emte | do do do |
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| 13:48.16 | XorA | Cwiiis[uni]: cheers it ran this time, now 20 mins wait for my ADSL to upload to my work :-) |
| 13:53.49 | emte | you need to buy a mobile drive |
| 13:54.28 | koen | or a van and some tapes |
| 13:54.38 | emte | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/31/avalanche_escape/ <- for all those who handily cary 6 cases a beer in your car .. |
| 13:54.48 | emte | carry* |
| 13:57.56 | emte | note to self: instead of cloths, take 6 cases of beer through mountain passes |
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| 14:02.18 | woglinde | emte lol |
| 14:03.00 | emte | my question is more why he had 6 cases of beer ... bit excessive no? |
| 14:03.53 | woglinde | my question which sort of beer it was |
| 14:04.29 | Bernardo | probably american beer, if he managed to drink six cases and not fall over |
| 14:04.48 | Bernardo | or Sna Miguel, it is pretty bad also |
| 14:04.53 | Bernardo | San Miguel |
| 14:06.10 | woglinde | mlol american beer in slovakia? |
| 14:06.34 | woglinde | maybee the real budviser |
| 14:07.17 | Bernardo | is it as week as the american copy? |
| 14:07.28 | woglinde | NO!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:07.54 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3059.1.1 10openembedded/classes/rm_work.bbclass: |
| 14:07.54 | CIA-4 | new version of rm_work.bbclass |
| 14:07.54 | CIA-4 | remove all subdirectories except "temp" (to keep logs in place) |
| 14:08.32 | Bernardo | :) |
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| 14:09.17 | emte | lol |
| 14:09.30 | emte | actually only the recipe for budwieser is american |
| 14:09.48 | emte | unfort its made in canada |
| 14:09.55 | hrw|work | re mickeyl |
| 14:10.21 | emte | tho the light stuff is still american |
| 14:11.21 | emte | anyway is it time to update bitbake yet? |
| 14:20.24 | hrw|work | NOTE:[15:19] package kphonepi-0.9.9-r0: task do_build: completed |
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| 14:21.02 | mickeyl | nice |
| 14:21.35 | hrw|work | do OZ support CF XGA card? |
| 14:22.46 | mickeyl | no |
| 14:22.51 | mickeyl | i never seen one |
| 14:23.24 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3064 10openembedded/packages/kphonepi/kphonepi_0.9.9.bb: kphonepi: upgraded to 0.9.9 |
| 14:23.39 | hrw|work | aha |
| 14:23.56 | mickeyl | do you have one? |
| 14:24.19 | mickeyl | I would like to play with one |
| 14:24.26 | hrw|work | nope |
| 14:24.41 | mickeyl | in germany they want to have 250 EUR for it |
| 14:24.42 | mickeyl | *puke* |
| 14:24.54 | woglinde | hm i thought the pcmcia was 250 |
| 14:24.57 | mickeyl | it's definitly not worth that money |
| 14:24.58 | hrw|work | I noticed zview 0.9.0 from kdepimpi authors which show something on it afaik |
| 14:25.04 | XorA | mickeyl: I think most of us would buy one if we could find it cheap |
| 14:25.17 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:25.31 | koen|uni | hrw|work: kdrive should support it |
| 14:25.50 | koen|uni | and it is ~250 euro over here too |
| 14:26.14 | hrw|work | XorA: I can find cheap things.. but when posting comes then they stop being cheap |
| 14:26.34 | hrw|work | wifi card for 27usd (or 22gbp) |
| 14:27.27 | XorA | a GeForce on CF card :-) |
| 14:27.53 | hrw|work | I would rather prefer matrox ;) |
| 14:28.42 | XorA | hrw|work: I was purely thinkng DOOM3 on Z |
| 14:29.08 | mickeyl | i'd like to have the SL6000 extension cradle |
| 14:29.12 | koen|uni | XorA: turn down the brightness and play doom1, same effect :) |
| 14:29.13 | mickeyl | that one costs 250 EUR as well here |
| 14:29.14 | mickeyl | :/ |
| 14:29.22 | mickeyl | s/cradle/jacket/ |
| 14:29.43 | XorA | koen|uni: nah, I run DOOM1 on my spectrum |
| 14:30.43 | koen|uni | maybe I should add support for the ti83+ to OE |
| 14:30.54 | koen|uni | (pointless, but fun) |
| 14:31.21 | hrw|work | koen|uni: atleast one contact in TI exist ;) |
| 14:33.24 | hrw|work | one package before 2048... |
| 14:33.56 | hrw|work | %11111111111 packages |
| 14:35.14 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 14:35.54 | hrw|work | its getting harder and harder to add just another 1 ;) |
| 14:43.33 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:43.41 | Bernardo | hi chouimat |
| 14:50.19 | J | looks like Hitachi has cloned the z6000! http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000280029910/ |
| 14:51.36 | Cwiiis[uni] | XorA: np :) |
| 14:52.16 | Bernardo | "SD blk read error 01" while fscking my sdcard - time to throw it out and buy a new one? |
| 14:52.37 | mickeyl | which pda? |
| 14:52.43 | Bernardo | 5500 |
| 14:52.46 | Bernardo | collie |
| 14:53.24 | Bernardo | never had this before, it started showing up a couple of days ago, now I have it twice at the beginning of pass 1 |
| 14:55.48 | Bernardo | what do you say, mickeyl, time to head to www.bigpockets.co.uk and order a new card? |
| 14:56.42 | mickeyl | blk read error doesn't sound good |
| 14:56.43 | mickeyl | but |
| 14:56.47 | mickeyl | i'd try a full format |
| 14:56.50 | mickeyl | first |
| 14:56.56 | mickeyl | before shelling out money |
| 14:58.33 | Bernardo | ok, I'll try backing it up and formatting as I get home, as I don't have any way to back it up here (except the usb port). |
| 14:59.11 | Bernardo | Anyway, maybe it is time to buy a 1Gb SD card... will have to check more sites that sell in europe. |
| 14:59.57 | hrw|work | Bernardo: and sell to you |
| 15:00.51 | hrw|work | I'm pesimistic when looking for buys in net... |
| 15:01.13 | hrw|work | "only Paypal here", "where the hell is Poland" etc... |
| 15:01.14 | Bernardo | the one I posted was the only one I found in the uk that would sell to the rest of europe |
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| 15:01.48 | Bernardo | It mentions portugal and poland, so both of us should be able to buy there |
| 15:02.04 | hrw|work | yep. but they dont have wifi cf |
| 15:02.23 | Bernardo | expansys also sells to most of europe - and buying from expansys.de is cheaper than from expansys.pt |
| 15:03.29 | hrw|work | expansys.de prices are kosmic... |
| 15:03.39 | hrw|work | 150EUR for card which in Us costs 27USD |
| 15:06.12 | Bernardo | yep... :( |
| 15:06.51 | Bernardo | but just replace the .de with .pt, and check the diference - it isn't the taxes, the base price itself is bigger |
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| 15:25.32 | hrw|work | "the file you have requested was recently released and may not yet exist on all of our mirrors" - I like that message on sf.net |
| 15:26.56 | hrw|work | kdepimpi 2.0.1 released |
| 15:27.43 | XorA | hrw|work: well done! |
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| 15:31.06 | hrw|work | NOTE:[16:31] package kdepimpi-2.0.1-r0: task do_patch: started |
| 15:31.06 | hrw|work | NOTE:[16:31] package kdepimpi-2.0.1-r0: task do_patch: completed |
| 15:31.11 | hrw|work | no patches ;) |
| 15:31.30 | mickeyl | oh nice |
| 15:31.34 | mickeyl | did they learn? |
| 15:31.46 | hrw|work | I updated my patches and send them |
| 15:32.44 | hrw|work | with info added |
| 15:33.57 | hrw|work | anyway patches was minimal in last releases |
| 15:34.56 | hrw|work | mickeyl: OZ 3.5.2 is still buildable using bitbake? |
| 15:37.10 | hrw|work | hmm.. I have oe and packages from 20041208 |
| 15:39.11 | hrw|work | I was thinking about building oz 3.5.2 to give some upgrades |
| 15:39.51 | mickeyl | sure, you can build it |
| 15:40.03 | mickeyl | but checkout oe from the tay i tagged it |
| 15:40.07 | mickeyl | otherwise it won't work |
| 15:41.23 | hrw|work | ok. packages from 3.5.2-tosa tag and oe from 20041203 |
| 15:43.01 | hrw|work | NOTE:[16:42] package kdepimpi-2.0.1-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 15:43.03 | hrw|work | yeah |
| 15:47.58 | Bernardo | zautrix seems to respond well to patches and bug submissions |
| 15:48.06 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07 * r1.3065 10openembedded/ (6 files in 2 dirs): kdepimpi updated to 2.0.1 |
| 15:48.34 | RP | How much help have HP given for getting Linux onto ipaqs? |
| 15:49.42 | mickeyl | afaik they sponsored it in the days of the 3xxxx |
| 15:49.46 | mickeyl | long ago |
| 15:49.53 | mickeyl | nowadays there's not much help left |
| 15:49.58 | mickeyl | if any |
| 15:50.20 | RP | how did they do the sponsorship? |
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| 15:50.33 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3063.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gcc/ (gcc-3.3.4/bash3.patch gcc_3.3.4.bb): apply bash3-compatibility patch to gcc 3.3.4. patch courtesy marvin24 |
| 15:50.40 | RP | and is hh.org still anything to do with them? |
| 15:51.05 | hrw|work | Bernardo|meeting: as long that patches and bugs are not "why you dont want to cooperate with opie people" |
| 15:52.22 | XorA | hrw|work: ah the confusing world of OS politics :-) |
| 15:52.23 | mickeyl | RP: not really. only that there are still some employees or former employees are among the hh.org people |
| 15:52.32 | hrw|work | A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." |
| 15:52.36 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 15:52.42 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:52.43 | mickeyl | that's cool |
| 15:52.57 | hrw|work | and hard to translate to Polish without losing sense |
| 15:53.14 | RP | :) |
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| 15:54.24 | RP | mickeyl: I'm wondering whether any of the handheld manufacturers would be interested in sponsoring Linux development for their PDAs... |
| 15:54.48 | RP | I guess it'll have been tried before though |
| 15:54.50 | hrw|work | RP: you mean HTC? |
| 15:54.57 | mickeyl | perhaps TT can mediate there |
| 15:55.01 | RP | HTC? |
| 15:55.02 | mickeyl | you should pester ljp |
| 15:55.24 | chouimat | mickeyl: hi |
| 15:55.30 | pb_ | RP: high tech computer |
| 15:55.36 | hrw|work | HTC - company which design and produce most of pocketpc pdas today |
| 15:55.47 | mickeyl | hi chouimat |
| 15:55.48 | RP | mickeyl: why ljp? |
| 15:56.08 | RP | hrw|work: Ah, right :). They'd be a candidate, yes |
| 15:56.11 | pb_ | because he's the only trolltech person who hangs out in this channel |
| 15:56.13 | mickeyl | RP: because TT has cooperations with linux pda manufacturers |
| 15:56.37 | mickeyl | i could imagine that they would like to buy 2.6 knowledge |
| 15:56.37 | RP | Right. I didn't know he was connected to TT... :) |
| 15:56.44 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:56.50 | mickeyl | that's a joke right? :) |
| 15:57.05 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yeah that would be a bad position for a community liason |
| 15:57.06 | mickeyl | since he started there he is 99% a TT employee |
| 15:57.12 | mickeyl | and 1% an oss developer |
| 15:57.13 | mickeyl | :/ |
| 15:57.30 | XorA | pity we cant send sharp a clue bomb |
| 15:57.40 | mickeyl | yeah, sharp japan is just... out of the loop |
| 15:57.55 | RP | If I could find a way into Sharp, I'd try and talk to them... |
| 15:58.06 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is, that commercial linux is pretty damn expensive |
| 15:58.09 | XorA | mickeyl: I work with Hitachi here, the Japanese really hate their engineers talking to people |
| 15:58.12 | RP | I do know how to contact the head of Sharp UK mind... :) |
| 15:58.24 | mickeyl | RP: it won't matter |
| 15:58.31 | mickeyl | sharp japan is in command |
| 15:58.33 | RP | XorA: So we need Sharp management :-/ |
| 15:58.34 | mickeyl | all others are just distributors |
| 15:58.41 | mickeyl | sharp uk is a joke |
| 15:58.43 | mickeyl | nowadays |
| 15:58.48 | mickeyl | as well as sharp germany |
| 15:58.49 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 15:58.56 | mickeyl | (regarding mobile tools) |
| 15:59.03 | RP | mickeyl: I know. They still might be able to help me get to Sharp Japan though. Maybe... |
| 15:59.03 | hrw|work | chouimat: every which you dont need |
| 15:59.09 | XorA | It took me two years to get across to Japan to see the guys having the problems instead of having 2 layers of managem,ent in my way. I got so much shit sorted in one afternon it rocked |
| 15:59.14 | chouimat | hrw|work: i know ... |
| 15:59.36 | XorA | but now I am back in same situation passing messages via management |
| 16:00.01 | mickeyl | the way it is we can only create facts and surprise them |
| 16:00.09 | mickeyl | which is what we are doing w/ oz and 2.6 and opie |
| 16:00.27 | mickeyl | maybe someday they will be surprised enough to contact us again |
| 16:00.34 | RP | mickeyl: Doing a very good job as well, I must say :) |
| 16:00.36 | XorA | need someone to sponsor a full page advert on "Tokyo Times" (I made that up) for opie |
| 16:00.45 | RP | I've always been impressed with opie... |
| 16:01.01 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:01.03 | RP | (and oz) |
| 16:01.23 | hrw|work | I used sharp rom ;) |
| 16:01.52 | RP | Are there any other big names we could talk to? |
| 16:01.58 | XorA | It took me a whole 2 days to break sharp rom irretrevably and find OZ 3.2 when I got my 5500 |
| 16:02.00 | mickeyl | ok, back home. stayed long enough in the office without actually doing anything :)) |
| 16:02.04 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 16:02.20 | hrw|work | bye mickeyl |
| 16:02.23 | RP | bfn mickeyl |
| 16:02.40 | hrw|work | XorA: 3.2... I started with 3.3.5 when got cf card |
| 16:02.48 | RP | XorA: The sharp rom iritated me immensely... |
| 16:03.07 | RP | How do I get a Linux prompt then. It desn't come with one as standard? :-/ |
| 16:03.16 | XorA | hrw|work: 3.2 then 3.3.5 then I loved 3.3.6preX, then I found OE and started building my own packages and never looked back |
| 16:03.29 | XorA | RP: its on the cd |
| 16:03.44 | RP | XorA: I know. It just irritated me I had to install it ;-) |
| 16:04.11 | XorA | although I cannot find anything on the c860 cd, its all japanese to me :-) |
| 16:05.44 | RP | same here :) |
| 16:06.10 | RP | I can't remember which versions of oz I started with :-/ |
| 16:06.10 | hrw|work | XorA: I found OE by accident.. I wanted something to build subapplet |
| 16:07.22 | XorA | speaking of people not communication, wish someone could get pdaXrom guys interested in OE |
| 16:07.39 | hrw|work | XorA: go for it |
| 16:07.49 | RP | I amazes me the lack of communication and cooperation that goes on... |
| 16:08.21 | XorA | yeah, we seem to be seperated into 3, pdaXrom, OE, and the strang japanese webpages I cant read but seem to have intersting shit on them |
| 16:09.20 | RP | HTC look way too pally with Microsoft to want anything to do with Linux :-( |
| 16:09.49 | RP | XorA: The strange Japanese website puzzle me as well :) |
| 16:11.01 | XorA | RP: once upon a time we sold lots of stuff into japan from here and I had hopes of lessons |
| 16:11.46 | RP | I actually turned down basic Japanese lessons at Uni :-/. |
| 16:12.07 | RP | That would have been verbal rather than written though |
| 16:17.58 | XorA | sometimes I truly wish for cranial jacks, instant skill learning! |
| 16:18.30 | RP | But think of the other possibilities :-/ |
| 16:18.37 | RP | It's a nice idea though :) |
| 16:19.15 | treke|home | ~lart gints |
| 16:20.48 | treke|home | RP: got sound working? cool |
| 16:22.42 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.46 | hrw|work | antics... |
| 16:22.49 | RP | treke: Ported the Sharp OSS driver accross |
| 16:23.01 | RP | treke|home: Not ideal but its a start |
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| 17:09.41 | koen | hmmm |
| 17:09.49 | koen | any idea why the repo is locked? |
| 17:10.46 | CosmicPenguin | devel or regular? |
| 17:10.51 | RP | backup operation? |
| 17:10.51 | koen | devel |
| 17:11.31 | koen | strange time to do it |
| 17:12.30 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody is probably pulling from it |
| 17:12.34 | CosmicPenguin | like they're not supposed to |
| 17:12.38 | CosmicPenguin | s/pulling/cloning/ |
| 17:12.49 | koen | I thought bm fixed that |
| 17:13.00 | koen | cloning shouldnt lock any more |
| 17:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | personally, I trust bk about as far as I can throw them... :) |
| 17:13.33 | koen | indeed |
| 17:14.35 | prpplague | is the bitbake manual available in pdf or text format? |
| 17:14.46 | hrw|work | pdf or ps afaik |
| 17:14.54 | koen | prpplague: yes, but they took it down |
| 17:15.06 | prpplague | lovely |
| 17:15.30 | koen | prpplague: http://www.bitkeeper.com/Documentation.Quick.html |
| 17:15.39 | CosmicPenguin | bk help will confuse you enough to question your own sanity |
| 17:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, and they're pretty serious about using the GUI, so they don't bother documenting the other way.... |
| 17:16.30 | koen | I *finally* figured out how to use bk ci instead of citool |
| 17:17.01 | koen | ah, it unlocked |
| 17:17.02 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3062.1.1 10openembedded/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4/defconfig-h3900: |
| 17:17.02 | CIA-4 | defconfig-h3900: |
| 17:17.02 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.06 | pb_ | prpplague: I'm pretty sure it's available as pdf. |
| 17:17.32 | koen | ah, they fixed the links :) |
| 17:17.40 | pb_ | it's written in DocBook, so you can generate any format that the docbook tools will produce |
| 17:18.23 | prpplague | pb_: yea, but that means i have dl all the stuff before i can read it |
| 17:19.17 | pb_ | prpplague: if there isn't a pdf on the site, I can easily enough make one for you |
| 17:19.41 | prpplague | koen: uh that url is for bitkeeper |
| 17:20.00 | koen | prpplague: D'oh |
| 17:21.02 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, just saw that your at the top of the html version, hehe |
| 17:21.15 | prpplague | pb_: yea, a pdf vesion would be most helpful |
| 17:21.35 | prpplague | pb_: and you might want to tell someone to add both versions to the oe website under manuals |
| 17:21.56 | pb_ | good idea |
| 17:22.32 | prpplague | http://www.openembedded.org/manual.php |
| 17:22.56 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/bitbake.pdf |
| 17:22.57 | pb_ | there it is |
| 17:24.15 | prpplague | pb_: thanks, printing now |
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| 17:42.21 | kergoth_ | re |
| 17:42.51 | kergoth_ | prpplague: they belong at bitbake.berlios.de, not openembedded. |
| 17:42.58 | kergoth_ | but yes, the pdf should be thrown out there |
| 17:43.02 | koen | hey kergoth_ |
| 17:43.13 | prpplague | kergoth_: whys that? |
| 17:43.26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ? |
| 17:43.30 | koen | kergoth_: do you have some time to look at the apache .bb? |
| 17:43.31 | kergoth_ | its the bitbake manual |
| 17:43.33 | kergoth_ | bitbake != oe |
| 17:43.35 | kergoth_ | bitbake = bitbake |
| 17:43.48 | prpplague | kergoth_: uh ok |
| 17:43.50 | kergoth_ | koen: not building? or..? |
| 17:44.03 | koen | not building *and* missing files |
| 17:44.05 | kergoth_ | prpplague: bitbake is the core tools. oe is the package and build metadata. |
| 17:44.09 | kergoth_ | koen: odd. it used to build |
| 17:44.13 | kergoth_ | havent looked at it in ages though |
| 17:44.15 | kergoth_ | i'll take a look |
| 17:44.18 | kergoth_ | its an ugly one |
| 17:44.20 | koen | thanks |
| 17:44.27 | koen | bbl |
| 17:44.43 | prpplague | kergoth_: right, but doesn't the oe site wiki talk about using bitbake? |
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| 17:45.30 | kergoth_ | prpplague: it talks about using bitbake to BUILD OE |
| 17:45.42 | kergoth_ | prpplague: just like my README in my application's source tree talks about using ./configure and make |
| 17:46.57 | prpplague | kergoth_: ok i see your point, however, i don't think that distinction is made very clear while trying to understand how to use oe |
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| 17:48.03 | kergoth_ | prpplague: i dont understand. GettingStarted looks pretty clear to me |
| 17:48.11 | kergoth_ | To start using OE, you must first obtain the build tool that it needs (bitbake): |
| 17:48.16 | kergoth_ | Next, you'll need to obtain the actual OpenEmbedded repository, which has our build classes, configuration files, and packages. |
| 17:48.31 | kergoth_ | is there a way to make that clearer? |
| 17:49.22 | prpplague | kergoth_: We recommend reading the BitBake users manual (you can build the docs in bitbake/doc/manual, or go to [WWW]http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/) for background information |
| 17:49.30 | kergoth_ | yes..? |
| 17:49.41 | prpplague | kergoth_: and the bitbake link is a blank page |
| 17:49.48 | kergoth_ | the manual link is not |
| 17:49.50 | kergoth_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.50 | prpplague | http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BitBake |
| 17:50.04 | kergoth_ | pasted right out of Overview |
| 17:50.13 | kergoth_ | in the preface of the manual |
| 17:50.42 | kergoth_ | i'll create a wiki page for bitbake, but the same information was in the manual. |
| 17:51.25 | prpplague | kergoth_: where do you see the overview which you pasted? |
| 17:52.00 | kergoth_ | in the users manual for bitbake |
| 17:52.06 | kergoth_ | the link right in front of you in gettingstarted |
| 17:52.10 | kergoth_ | click on it and read |
| 17:52.18 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh the html page |
| 17:53.46 | kergoth_ | yes, we tell you that we recommend reading the manual for a reason |
| 17:54.11 | kergoth_ | there, now there's a bitbake wiki page that has one paragraph copied & pasted out of the manual, and a link to the manual |
| 17:55.35 | prpplague | kergoth_: agreed, i went to the html page, thats why i asked for a pdf |
| 17:55.51 | kergoth_ | koen|welding: when you have a chance, can you look at adding some notes about Familiar to the new wiki? transition some data from the old one |
| 17:56.03 | kergoth_ | prpplague: if you cant be bothered to read the documentation we have, there isnt much i can do to make things easier. |
| 17:56.51 | prpplague | kergoth_: i was reading the doc's just the html isn't easy to print |
| 17:57.25 | prpplague | kergoth_: i was just saying to pb_ that getting links the manuals might make things easier |
| 17:58.11 | kergoth_ | we have a link to the manual. if you mean links to the manual _in more formats_, say so |
| 17:58.18 | kergoth_ | and yes, we should have that |
| 17:59.03 | prpplague | kergoth_: yes, i do believe that is what i said to pb_ |
| 17:59.24 | kergoth_ | yes, that isnt what i'm talking about. i'm talking about you saying the distinction betwteen bb and oe wasnt made clear |
| 17:59.32 | kergoth_ | if you dont read the docs, how do you expect it to be made clearer? |
| 17:59.51 | mallum | kergoth_, thank you for making a oprofile .bb |
| 18:00.14 | kergoth_ | hehe, no problem. i found it quite useful on my omap boards at work |
| 18:00.32 | mallum | kergoth_, it worked ok ? |
| 18:00.36 | kergoth_ | worked fine |
| 18:00.51 | mallum | nice |
| 18:00.53 | kergoth_ | had a quirk initially due to our recent toolchain.. due to those internal mapping symbols ($a, etc) |
| 18:01.00 | kergoth_ | but ew patch it to hide those |
| 18:01.02 | kergoth_ | so works fine |
| 18:01.20 | mallum | I forgot to check if oz 2.6 kernel has oprofile enabled |
| 18:01.35 | kergoth_ | probably not, i only ever played with it on omap |
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| 18:02.01 | mallum | kergoth_, yeah will need to tweak that |
| 18:02.09 | prpplague | kergoth_: argh, nm |
| 18:21.04 | hrw|work | bye |
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| 18:32.58 | TheCount | hi! |
| 18:33.10 | TheCount | um, can somebody tell me who's the publisher of openembedded? :) |
| 18:33.14 | kergoth_ | publisher? |
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| 18:33.55 | treke | kergoth, make it to your meeting? :p |
| 18:33.59 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:34.04 | kergoth_ | 5 minutes early even |
| 18:34.17 | treke | hope your boss didn't have a heart attack |
| 18:34.19 | kergoth_ | carrying a dew and a sobe adrenline rush to keep me conscious |
| 18:35.38 | pb_ | heh |
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| 18:36.00 | kergoth_ | heh, i need to finish my damn presentation for tomorrow |
| 18:36.06 | kergoth_ | the presentation that nobody really told me what it should be about |
| 18:36.33 | pb_ | hate it when that happens |
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| 18:36.35 | kergoth_ | i'm going to try to just spread some general linux clue about |
| 18:36.43 | kergoth_ | general gpl/licensing/copyright stuff |
| 18:36.48 | kergoth_ | how not to alienate the community |
| 18:36.48 | pb_ | ah, the old "general presentation" trick |
| 18:36.51 | kergoth_ | etc |
| 18:36.52 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:36.52 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:37.10 | kergoth_ | maybe i'll try to impose an idea of what a distribution is |
| 18:37.14 | kergoth_ | how the various components fit together |
| 18:37.18 | kergoth_ | lots of people dont understand that |
| 18:37.25 | pb_ | good idea |
| 18:37.47 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: publisher. what I'd have to write in a diploma who made/provides openembedded :) |
| 18:38.20 | kergoth_ | TheCount: it was essentially my idea, from issues with other existing systems a few years back, and discussions with tim riker and other embedded folks. |
| 18:38.31 | kergoth_ | TheCount: holger schurig did most of hte initial code, pulling in portage and the like |
| 18:38.52 | kergoth_ | then i took over maintainance for quite a while, and folks like pb_ and others came in and started contributing as much as i did |
| 18:39.05 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: same goes for bitbake itself? |
| 18:39.07 | kergoth_ | note that i'm not really distinguishing too much between bitbake and oe here |
| 18:39.23 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: 'kay |
| 18:39.35 | kergoth_ | bitbake is really what i'm talking about here, that myself and schurig worked on initially |
| 18:39.44 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: did you write it over to the FSF or something? |
| 18:39.49 | kergoth_ | no, we hold the copyrights |
| 18:40.01 | kergoth_ | the bitbake core is GPL, the OE package metadata is MIT |
| 18:40.05 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: 'kay, we should be able to work with that - thanks :) |
| 18:40.08 | kergoth_ | np |
| 18:40.54 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: thanks a lot from my team, too ;) |
| 18:40.56 | andersee | kergoth_: You should charge people $10000 per developer using OE per year. |
| 18:41.02 | andersee | ;-) |
| 18:41.04 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 18:41.31 | kergoth_ | i'll charge them in developer time. if you use it for X period of time, you have to spend Y period of time working on bitbake-ng so OE isnt so damn slow :) |
| 18:42.21 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: bitbake-ng? |
| 18:42.28 | kergoth_ | TheCount: rewrite of bitbake in C. |
| 18:42.31 | TheCount | (sorry for my lousy autonick-completion) |
| 18:42.43 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: ah, okay. what's the timeframe for that? will the format of the metadata change? |
| 18:42.44 | kergoth_ | TheCount: improving performance and RAM usage, making it easier to write bindings for other languages and the like |
| 18:42.59 | kergoth_ | TheCount: the format will likely change, but we'll have a parser for the old style as well |
| 18:43.02 | kergoth_ | TheCount: so people can transition |
| 18:43.15 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: we'll be looking into some things here too, and might want to have a look at distcc integration or something |
| 18:43.24 | suix | shit! |
| 18:43.28 | kergoth_ | you can use distcc today to a certain extent |
| 18:43.33 | kergoth_ | now that bitbake+oe can do make -j |
| 18:43.34 | suix | bitbake stops at 81% |
| 18:43.39 | kergoth_ | suix: RAM? |
| 18:43.44 | suix | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: - (1668/2046) [81 %] |
| 18:43.45 | TheCount | we = me and the people doing a (kind of) diploma in "build and releasemanagement for embedded systems based on open source" (rough translation) |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 18:43.56 | kergoth_ | sounds interesting |
| 18:44.04 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: ok, where is the border for distcc? |
| 18:44.10 | kergoth_ | open source projects in general tend to not have very much experience in build and release |
| 18:44.13 | kergoth_ | its a major lack |
| 18:44.28 | kergoth_ | TheCount: PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4" gets you make -j |
| 18:44.42 | kergoth_ | TheCount: beyond that, you can prepend 'distcc' to the gcc command the same way we do CCACHE. see bitbake.conf |
| 18:45.10 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: just finished our document for the first part (having a look at what the company I work for uses), second part will be implementation of our concept (porting from selfmade buildsys and cvs with no release management to bitbake and svn with a defined release management process) |
| 18:45.32 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: yeah, figures. |
| 18:45.39 | kergoth_ | cool |
| 18:45.51 | kergoth_ | one of these days i'd like to write up a "top 20 buildsystem screwups" document |
| 18:45.53 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: ok, we'll have a look at that when we're at it. most likely you'll see me here more often than ;) |
| 18:45.55 | kergoth_ | rules of thumb |
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| 18:46.59 | kergoth_ | TheCount: note that the tough part is making sure they all have the toolchain |
| 18:47.03 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: i'll take care the process definition for decent release management as well as our document are easily translatable and can go back to the community |
| 18:47.05 | kergoth_ | TheCount: putting the CROSS_DIR in nfs or something would do |
| 18:47.16 | kergoth_ | cool |
| 18:47.54 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: hmm-hmm-hmm. we'll see. I don't really like NFS - and thats an euphemism |
| 18:48.04 | kergoth_ | well, you could always build the toolchain with oe |
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| 18:48.08 | kergoth_ | scp it over to the other machines |
| 18:48.15 | kergoth_ | setup the distccd's with that in the path on those boxes |
| 18:48.16 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: building the toolchain with oe is a must |
| 18:48.21 | kergoth_ | then use distcc in the rest of the oe build |
| 18:48.33 | kergoth_ | hey [g2] |
| 18:48.38 | [g2] | hey kergoth_ ! |
| 18:48.42 | kergoth_ | how goes? |
| 18:48.47 | [g2] | so-so |
| 18:48.55 | kergoth_ | same |
| 18:49.10 | [g2] | slight physical pain -- crown today |
| 18:49.14 | kergoth_ | ahh |
| 18:49.19 | [g2] | fun eh ? |
| 18:49.26 | kergoth_ | yep, been there, done that |
| 18:49.28 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: yeah, we'll figure that out :) we're starting at the beginning of march, we're quite jaded and will enjoy the semester break quite a lot |
| 18:49.38 | [g2] | bet you I've got more :) |
| 18:50.02 | kergoth_ | heh, probably. i just had a cracked molar they had to fix |
| 18:50.11 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: openembedded beat the competition quite easily - only real opposition was montavista, which is too expensive |
| 18:50.32 | kergoth_ | i've used montavista's stuff. |
| 18:50.37 | kergoth_ | its only advantage is having a fancy gui |
| 18:50.42 | kergoth_ | it builds with rpm under the hood |
| 18:50.46 | kergoth_ | unpleasant at best |
| 18:50.55 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:51.12 | kergoth_ | the point and click gui is nice for ordinary developers though, we need something like that |
| 18:51.29 | kergoth_ | (that is, those not build-saavy(sp?)) |
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| 18:52.34 | TheCount | kergoth`zzz: yeah, would be nice. |
| 18:52.59 | kergoth | thats better |
| 18:53.00 | TheCount | kergoth: aaah, better |
| 18:53.11 | TheCount | .o( BitchX and it's autonicks still suck ) |
| 18:53.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:53.30 | kergoth | i use irssi, connected to an irc proxy at home |
| 18:54.45 | TheCount | I didn't have the nerve to change to irssi yet, and I'm on IRC to seldom anyways |
| 18:58.36 | mickeyl | sounds familiar to me |
| 18:59.20 | mallum | hmm what is esacpe key on c760 ? |
| 18:59.34 | mickeyl | supposed to be cancel, like on all other zaurii |
| 18:59.42 | mickeyl | on 2.6 it isn't yet though |
| 18:59.43 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:59.47 | mickeyl | small buglet in the keymap |
| 19:01.20 | mallum | mickeyl, heh, damn I started vi :/ |
| 19:01.37 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:01.40 | mickeyl | did that too |
| 19:01.44 | mallum | with no network |
| 19:01.46 | mallum | hehe |
| 19:01.51 | mickeyl | should bug RP to fix that |
| 19:01.56 | mickeyl | i know nothing about keymaps |
| 19:02.19 | mallum | RP, :) |
| 19:02.25 | RP | hello :) |
| 19:02.49 | mickeyl | hey |
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| 19:03.24 | vapier | what's the diff between the unslung-kernel-2.3r25 and the nslu2-linksys-kernel-2.4.22 kernels ? |
| 19:03.34 | mallum | RP, type vi on your c700 with no network connection |
| 19:04.21 | RP | mallum: no thanks ;-) |
| 19:04.27 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:05.12 | mickeyl | hmm d'oh |
| 19:05.14 | mickeyl | cancel works odd |
| 19:05.19 | mickeyl | all other keys report |
| 19:05.22 | RP | mallum: in /etc/corgikeymap.map, the line keycode 64 = should be keycode 64 = Escape |
| 19:05.23 | mickeyl | <num> pressed <num> released |
| 19:05.27 | RP | or something like that |
| 19:05.27 | mickeyl | whereas num is the same, of course |
| 19:05.33 | mickeyl | but the cancel key shows |
| 19:05.41 | mickeyl | 0 press |
| 19:05.46 | mickeyl | 1 release |
| 19:05.51 | mickeyl | 95 release |
| 19:05.56 | mickeyl | huh ? |
| 19:06.13 | mickeyl | magic |
| 19:06.16 | RP | What are you viewing the keypresses in? |
| 19:06.20 | mickeyl | console |
| 19:06.21 | mickeyl | showkey |
| 19:06.27 | mallum | RP, thanks I figure it out |
| 19:07.07 | RP | mallum: Actually its worst that that :-/ |
| 19:08.07 | mallum | dammit oprofile wants bash |
| 19:09.38 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:09.38 | mickeyl | ups |
| 19:09.50 | RP | mallum: I also need to alter the corgi keyboard driver. We can't use KEY_CANCEL for what we want... |
| 19:09.51 | mickeyl | keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 223 |
| 19:10.23 | RP | mickeyl: Yes. We need to map it to one of the function keys instead |
| 19:10.25 | TheCount | ok, see ya :) |
| 19:10.36 | mickeyl | RP: why? |
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| 19:11.18 | mallum | I have to make dinner, bbiab |
| 19:11.29 | RP | mickeyl: because the kernel doesn't like keys with codes > 127 |
| 19:11.42 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:11.51 | RP | If we define #define CORGI_KEY_CANCELKEY_F4 in the keyboard driver, we can then map the code nicely |
| 19:12.08 | RP | I did it with most of the keys but evidently forgot that one :-/ |
| 19:12.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:12.18 | mickeyl | ok |
| 19:12.33 | RP | Corgi has two cancel keys which confused me :) |
| 19:12.49 | mickeyl | i see |
| 19:12.53 | RP | Adding what I said above will map the cancel button on the back to Escape |
| 19:13.03 | mickeyl | ok, very good |
| 19:13.07 | mickeyl | one isse less |
| 19:13.09 | mickeyl | issue, too |
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| 19:20.57 | TheCount | kergoth: still there? |
| 19:21.36 | TheCount | kergoth: do you see a need for a written manual/handbook/overview for bitbake, or doesn't this make sense? it would be done in german and might of course be translated |
| 19:22.46 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3059.2.1 10openembedded/packages/initscripts/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initiscripts: Add corgi keymap entry for escape keys |
| 19:24.24 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3071 10openembedded/packages/linux/openzaurus_2.6.11-rc2.bb: openzaurus-2.6: Update escape key handling in keyboard driver |
| 19:24.43 | RP | mallum / mickeyl: That should fix it... :) |
| 19:25.50 | mickeyl | cool |
| 19:25.59 | RP | mickeyl: Any other issues other than the none linear backlight? |
| 19:26.19 | mickeyl | RP: none that i'm aware of atm. |
| 19:26.54 | RP | Ok. I'd admittedly forgotten about the escape key problem... ;-) |
| 19:27.06 | mickeyl | heh, nm. |
| 19:28.15 | mickeyl | RP: talking about forgetting things... did you decide on hinge stuff yet? |
| 19:28.28 | mickeyl | (maybe i forgot what you told me regarding that) |
| 19:28.50 | RP | It gets passed to the input system |
| 19:28.57 | TheCount | kergoth -> contact me at count@linux.de, if you like |
| 19:29.09 | mickeyl | RP: ah. so i could theoretically implement it in Opie now |
| 19:29.12 | mickeyl | if i would know how :D |
| 19:29.15 | RP | It currently maps to the keypad 0, 1 and 2 keys IIRC |
| 19:29.49 | RP | Yes,it does: #define KEY_KP179 |
| 19:29.49 | RP | #define KEY_KP280 |
| 19:29.50 | RP | #define KEY_KP381 |
| 19:29.50 | RP | #define KEY_KP082 |
| 19:30.02 | RP | from linux/input.h |
| 19:30.32 | mickeyl | hmm ok, so i need to see how to query the input system and then compute the status out of those three keys |
| 19:30.43 | RP | yes :-/ |
| 19:30.46 | mickeyl | hmm oh btw. |
| 19:30.48 | mickeyl | why three? |
| 19:30.58 | mickeyl | on is under the hinge |
| 19:31.06 | mickeyl | one is to the upper left of the keyboard |
| 19:31.08 | mickeyl | where's the third? |
| 19:31.21 | RP | There are three positions the keyboard can detect |
| 19:31.52 | RP | Keyboard closed, screen hidden. |
| 19:32.02 | RP | Keyboard closed, screen visible |
| 19:32.04 | mickeyl | ah so that directly translates to the states, not to the minibuttons |
| 19:32.12 | RP | Yes |
| 19:32.17 | mickeyl | i see |
| 19:32.18 | mickeyl | ok |
| 19:32.22 | RP | Although I could make it do the status of the buttons instead... |
| 19:32.33 | RP | see drivers/input/keyboard/corgikbd.c for the code |
| 19:32.39 | mickeyl | dunno. lets see how this works out in the present state |
| 19:32.43 | mickeyl | k |
| 19:33.03 | RP | I'm flexible about how the code does it. |
| 19:33.11 | RP | I think we should use the input system though |
| 19:34.24 | mickeyl | sure |
| 19:34.28 | mickeyl | i'm fine with the input system |
| 19:34.29 | mickeyl | after all |
| 19:34.33 | mickeyl | _this_ is an input .) |
| 19:34.40 | RP | :) |
| 19:34.52 | RP | It means event notification is handled nicely rather than having to poll... |
| 19:35.10 | RP | It may be we need to map these keys to something in the keymap |
| 19:35.29 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:35.37 | mickeyl | the 2.4.18 had a special key for that |
| 19:35.38 | mickeyl | F14 or so |
| 19:35.39 | mickeyl | dunno |
| 19:35.49 | mickeyl | it would be handy to keep it that way |
| 19:35.53 | mickeyl | let me check |
| 19:36.41 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:36.46 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.46 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.46 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.57 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 19:37.01 | mickeyl | do the other ones match? |
| 19:37.03 | mickeyl | see: |
| 19:37.11 | mickeyl | struct z_button z_buttons_c700 [] = { |
| 19:37.11 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.11 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.16 | mickeyl | F10 Contacts |
| 19:37.18 | mickeyl | F12 Home |
| 19:37.20 | mickeyl | F11 Menu |
| 19:38.07 | RP | They get mapped to entries in the keymap but they don't get mapped further |
| 19:38.28 | mickeyl | ok, we should stay consistent with those mappings |
| 19:38.35 | RP | corgikbd says #define CORGI_KEY_CALENDERKEY_F1 |
| 19:38.37 | mickeyl | less effort to make both kernels work |
| 19:38.41 | mickeyl | F1 ?? |
| 19:38.43 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 19:38.50 | RP | hold on |
| 19:38.56 | RP | input.h says #define KEY_F159 |
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| 19:39.21 | RP | So the keymap needs to say keycode 59 = F9 |
| 19:39.30 | RP | If you can declare keys like that |
| 19:39.56 | RP | We use low F numbers becuase the higher ones are out of range of the kernel keymapping |
| 19:40.05 | RP | but we can then map them to high ones |
| 19:40.23 | mickeyl | yeah it would be good to keep this F-key mapping intact |
| 19:40.56 | RP | Yes. It will look confusing as it startsout as F1 but the keymap can change it to F9 easily enough |
| 19:41.54 | RP | I'm going to need three display rotate keys. Any idea which function keys to us? |
| 19:41.56 | RP | use |
| 19:41.57 | mickeyl | f10 |
| 19:42.11 | RP | f10 is contacts? |
| 19:42.26 | mickeyl | let me get you the URL to the odeivce |
| 19:42.40 | RP | I can probably find a copy here |
| 19:43.00 | mickeyl | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/opie/libopie2/opiecore/device/odevice_zaurus.cpp?rev=1.25&content-type=text/plain |
| 19:43.10 | mickeyl | struct z_button z_buttons_c700 [] |
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| 19:43.54 | mickeyl | as you can see we only listened to f14 |
| 19:44.00 | mickeyl | and then checked the actual state |
| 19:44.06 | mickeyl | to rotate |
| 19:44.13 | zecke | hey |
| 19:44.19 | mickeyl | it would be nice if f14 would be enough |
| 19:44.30 | mickeyl | then i could use everything like it is |
| 19:44.34 | mickeyl | but just change one function |
| 19:44.39 | mickeyl | which computes the hingestatus based on the three keys |
| 19:44.47 | mickeyl | hi zecke |
| 19:44.52 | RP | I could map all the keys to f14 but then you'd have to ask the status via some nasty other method |
| 19:45.11 | mickeyl | well not a nasty other method, just the method i need anyway |
| 19:45.14 | mickeyl | to compute the initial status |
| 19:45.30 | RP | I'd rather we only had to do that once though... |
| 19:45.32 | mickeyl | and the status on resume |
| 19:45.42 | mickeyl | it makes it more complicated in userland then |
| 19:45.54 | RP | I'd prefer adding three new keys (f15,f16,f17?) which give you the status under most conditions |
| 19:46.22 | RP | You might not have to consider suspend/resume as the kernel should probably handle that... |
| 19:46.29 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:46.34 | mickeyl | ok, i'm fine with that |
| 19:46.45 | mickeyl | then map it to f15-17 |
| 19:46.54 | mickeyl | i just need to query the initial status anyway |
| 19:47.00 | mickeyl | on startup |
| 19:47.13 | RP | ok. We can try it and see how it works... |
| 19:47.33 | RP | mickeyl: can you ask the status of a key under Qt? |
| 19:47.56 | RP | If you can, just ask the Qt keyboard code.... |
| 19:48.11 | RP | Its asking the input system so it should know.... |
| 19:48.33 | mickeyl | hmm not sure |
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| 19:49.07 | RP | One of the keys is always pressed so as opie starts, you should see a keypress... |
| 19:49.47 | RP | I'll sort out the keymap and then you can experiement - maybe log what the keyhandler sees upon startup? |
| 19:49.59 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 19:52.30 | RP | I appear to have lost the home key :-/ |
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| 19:54.47 | RP | I haven't. I used it as the SysRq key :-/ |
| 19:54.55 | mickeyl | ah |
| 19:55.00 | mickeyl | in 2.4 we had a patch for that |
| 19:55.02 | mickeyl | a one liner |
| 19:55.09 | mickeyl | to not have the key ending eaten up |
| 19:55.14 | mickeyl | check that |
| 19:55.19 | zecke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tim_Starling/Cold_turkey_IRC_log |
| 19:57.57 | RP | mickeyl: I think I have an alternative... |
| 20:03.19 | RP | mickeyl: What should the mail key map to? |
| 20:03.36 | RP | Its not mentioned in the buttons_c700 section... |
| 20:03.43 | RP | F13? |
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| 20:04.08 | mickeyl | is it listed in the 5500 section? |
| 20:04.39 | RP | Yes |
| 20:04.47 | mickeyl | then please use this mapping |
| 20:04.48 | RP | as F13 |
| 20:04.51 | mickeyl | ah very good :) |
| 20:05.08 | RP | Does that need adding to the c700 section? |
| 20:05.14 | mickeyl | yes |
| 20:05.21 | mickeyl | seems to have been missing from the start ) |
| 20:05.22 | mickeyl | :) |
| 20:05.25 | RP | :) |
| 20:05.37 | mickeyl | what an ancient bug |
| 20:05.38 | mickeyl | funny |
| 20:05.43 | mickeyl | no one missed it apparantly :) |
| 20:05.44 | keturn | anyone have wisdom to impart on gcc 3.3.4 vs gcc 3.4.x? or "try it and see"? |
| 20:06.03 | mickeyl | 3.4.x is better in almost any aspect |
| 20:06.03 | mickeyl | s |
| 20:06.04 | RP | There were plenty of other keys missing I guess so what's one more :) |
| 20:06.11 | mickeyl | heh |
| 20:08.20 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3072 10openembedded/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/openzaurus-pxa-2.6/corgikeymap.map: initiscripts: Correctly map corgi function keys |
| 20:08.26 | RP | mickeyl: Put the new map file onto your Z and loadkeys is, then see how it works :) |
| 20:08.39 | RP | A couple of the keys won't work until I update the kernel |
| 20:08.45 | RP | but the hinge keys will |
| 20:10.21 | mickeyl | ok |
| 20:13.10 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3073 10openembedded/packages/linux/openzaurus_2.6.11-rc2.bb: openzaurus-2.6: Update keyboard driver function key handling |
| 20:16.50 | zecke | keturn: 3.4 is pickier again |
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| 20:19.37 | kergoth | booored |
| 20:19.43 | kergoth | guess i should be productive or something |
| 20:20.10 | kergoth | heh, TheCount's email bounces |
| 20:20.11 | kergoth | fun |
| 20:33.12 | CosmicPenguin | 1 bounce ah-ah-ah-ah |
| 20:33.16 | CosmicPenguin | 2 bounces ah-ah-ah-ah |
| 20:33.21 | CosmicPenguin | and so on, and so forth.... |
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| 20:52.06 | mickeyl | RP: ok, i learned about the input system. |
| 20:52.25 | mickeyl | RP: i can query the global state |
| 20:52.43 | mickeyl | which I'll do at the start to find out if F14/15/16 is set |
| 20:52.58 | mickeyl | i hope autorepeat is off for those keys ;)) |
| 20:53.49 | mickeyl | i just need to get the mapping now to |
| 20:53.58 | mickeyl | PORTRAIT |
| 20:54.00 | mickeyl | LANDSCAPE |
| 20:54.02 | mickeyl | CLOSED |
| 20:54.35 | RP | mickeyl: autorepeat it off ;-) |
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| 20:54.43 | RP | I made sure of that :) |
| 20:55.20 | mickeyl | btw., not wanting to open up the can of worms again, but... |
| 20:55.28 | mickeyl | with the input system |
| 20:55.33 | mickeyl | we could stick with XLATE |
| 20:55.35 | mickeyl | heh |
| 20:55.44 | mickeyl | and just query the state of the modifiers when we need them ;) |
| 20:56.02 | RP | mickeyl: we can't. even I agree on that now! :) |
| 20:56.05 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:56.08 | mickeyl | just kidding |
| 20:56.14 | RP | I know :) |
| 20:56.57 | RP | back later - tv |
| 20:57.03 | mickeyl | same here |
| 20:57.24 | zecke | mickey|tv: good idea |
| 20:58.12 | zecke | mickey|tv: after smoking my cat in my hash pipe I found a way to use XLATE... hmm but now I forgot how again... |
| 20:58.21 | [g2] | kergoth do you know how php5 ties into thttp ? |
| 20:58.44 | kergoth | i know nothing about thttp |
| 20:58.52 | kergoth | but if it doestn support it directly, you'll have to just use cgi |
| 20:59.11 | [g2] | I think you can compile php5 as a thttpd module |
| 20:59.21 | [g2] | are most ppl running apache ? |
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| 21:00.19 | kergoth | apache doesnt even build out of oe atm |
| 21:00.43 | kergoth | need to fix that |
| 21:01.11 | gremlin[it] | good evening to all ... |
| 21:01.16 | [g2] | kergoth, needs to focus on bb-ng :) |
| 21:01.26 | kergoth | heh, indeed |
| 21:01.33 | kergoth | i'd recommend checking out appweb |
| 21:01.37 | [g2] | that's a big lever for everyone |
| 21:01.47 | [g2] | appweb is dependent on Perl right ? |
| 21:01.54 | [g2] | which doesn't build cross :) either |
| 21:01.59 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:02.03 | kergoth | no, and yes it does |
| 21:02.05 | kergoth | and its in oe |
| 21:02.17 | gremlin[it] | mhhh oe (specially cross-gcc) work on x86-64 (Amd Athlon) ?? |
| 21:02.22 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:02.27 | kergoth | i do most of my builds on one |
| 21:03.32 | [g2] | Ahh.. so App web can use php modules ? |
| 21:03.41 | gremlin[it] | perfect ... i'm planing to do a "cheap" update to may machine to an Athlon64 (sock754 single chanel mem) and 1G ram ... |
| 21:03.45 | kergoth | it supports php, ssl client certs, vhosts, countless other features |
| 21:03.48 | kergoth | and its highly modular |
| 21:04.06 | [g2] | hmmm |
| 21:04.20 | [g2] | does php build ? |
| 21:04.37 | kergoth | out of oe? used to, havent tried recently |
| 21:04.37 | kergoth | should |
| 21:05.08 | zecke | what is the Meta Key on SL5xxx? |
| 21:05.12 | zecke | am I blind? |
| 21:05.29 | kergoth | ? |
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| 21:08.01 | [g2] | hmmm welding |
| 21:09.37 | [g2] | Will this cause errors ? |
| 21:09.39 | [g2] | NOTE: Couldn't find shared library provider for libminiStdc++.so |
| 21:09.51 | kergoth | it couldnt figure out what package provides that library |
| 21:10.02 | kergoth | so couldnt add that package to its Depends in the ipk |
| 21:10.56 | [g2] | so it'll probably error at runtime |
| 21:11.13 | kergoth | unless the ipk that provides it gets installed via some other means, yes |
| 21:11.37 | kergoth | s/yes$/most likely/ |
| 21:12.29 | [g2] | and which package might emit that ? |
| 21:12.32 | [g2] | :) |
| 21:12.34 | kergoth | no idea |
| 21:12.38 | kergoth | dont even know what you're building |
| 21:12.42 | kergoth | much less what its deps are |
| 21:12.44 | [g2] | appweb |
| 21:13.03 | kergoth | did appweb build libminiStdc++? |
| 21:13.08 | [g2] | no |
| 21:13.13 | kergoth | could be a subpackage interdependency due to that not being packaged. |
| 21:13.22 | kergoth | you did a find to check? |
| 21:13.22 | [g2] | exactly |
| 21:13.24 | kergoth | i didnt say packaged |
| 21:13.27 | kergoth | i said _build_ |
| 21:13.38 | kergoth | look in its source tree |
| 21:14.17 | kergoth | note that while appweb is cool, and i added it to oe, i dont think anyone ever actually tested the oe ipks on a device :) |
| 21:14.35 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:14.55 | [g2] | I've been thinking about setting up an embedded linux information clearing house of sorts |
| 21:14.56 | kergoth | which is pretty common, incidentally. i have a tendency to add things to oe just because i can |
| 21:16.02 | [g2] | I think oe/bb are great, but I'd like to have a community pull together lots of other info |
| 21:16.14 | kergoth | what info? |
| 21:16.25 | kergoth | elinux.org exists for a reason.. |
| 21:16.33 | kergoth | and #elinux.. |
| 21:17.49 | [g2] | elinux.org is quite sparse |
| 21:17.50 | kergoth | boo, food coma |
| 21:17.54 | kergoth | so add content |
| 21:17.56 | gremlin[it] | !!! never know existe elinux.org !!!! |
| 21:18.06 | kergoth | elinux was intended for just what you described |
| 21:18.57 | [g2] | I'm thinking of a different perspective like the reports that crosstool produces about given toolchains and arches |
| 21:19.11 | kergoth | which belongs on the crosstool site |
| 21:19.12 | [g2] | along with tracking packages and arches |
| 21:19.18 | kergoth | i dont understand what you're trying to do |
| 21:19.48 | [g2] | same think that mech/bewoolie/others are trying to do on a full distro level |
| 21:19.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:21.15 | [g2] | as the OpenSlug maintainer, I'd like to know all the packages that are availabe able for the xscale arch and their dependancies and all kinds of info |
| 21:21.31 | kergoth | so write a stat generation tool for OE |
| 21:21.33 | [g2] | currently this is all gathered more or less one-off but an interested party like myself |
| 21:21.35 | kergoth | OE _is_ a package metadata repository |
| 21:22.23 | [g2] | well, it's bigger than OE becase I'm interested in all the packages SpanKY's got working with gentoo, and there are other packages avail like debian, etc... |
| 21:22.38 | kergoth | yeah, its called freshmeat.net |
| 21:22.45 | kergoth | i dont understand what you're looking for |
| 21:22.50 | kergoth | or waht the benefit is |
| 21:23.41 | [g2] | it just the next level of embeded linux open source build mgmt |
| 21:23.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:24.14 | kergoth | the different distros are completely different. some cant crosscompile, some can |
| 21:24.18 | kergoth | i dont see any gain from something like that |
| 21:24.46 | [g2] | ok |
| 21:24.59 | kergoth | what i _would_ like to see is something like CIA, but for releases |
| 21:25.12 | [g2] | it's the same reason you do "bb world" every now and then |
| 21:25.16 | kergoth | freshmeat does alright, but itd be nice to get automated notification when a package releases something |
| 21:25.20 | kergoth | i do bb world to fix broken builds |
| 21:25.28 | [g2] | broken compile |
| 21:25.30 | [g2] | broken compiles |
| 21:25.52 | kergoth | and debian cant crosscompile worth a shit, do you say nothing compiles? |
| 21:25.52 | [g2] | I'd like to see that + the runtime tests + pulling info from CIA, etc ... |
| 21:25.56 | kergoth | its just pointless |
| 21:26.05 | koen | kergoth: something like the unstable feed rss on hh.org frontpage? |
| 21:26.18 | koen | (which is broken btw) |
| 21:26.18 | kergoth | koen: yeah, but for upstream package releases. |
| 21:26.25 | kergoth | not distro package availability |
| 21:26.45 | koen | that would be nice |
| 21:27.03 | kergoth | could probably hook into freshmeat's xml/rpc |
| 21:27.10 | kergoth | poll it once and a while |
| 21:27.12 | kergoth | send out notifications |
| 21:28.13 | [g2] | right, and the devel's build for given arches/distros and then that information continues to be aggregrated up |
| 21:29.55 | [g2] | kergoth, ever see the tables on distrowatch for a given distro ? |
| 21:30.47 | [g2] | like http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo |
| 21:31.26 | [g2] | now just imagine that for arches like arm armeb for all the packages in just oe to start with |
| 21:31.59 | [g2] | and a yellow (unknown), red (broken), green (known good) |
| 21:34.40 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35.28 | [g2] | I think so |
| 21:35.40 | [g2] | how do you defnie tinderbox |
| 21:35.48 | kergoth | i define tinderbox as tinderbox |
| 21:35.50 | kergoth | its a specific project |
| 21:35.51 | kergoth | ~tinderbox |
| 21:35.52 | ibot | hmm... tinderbox is mozilla.org's system for making sure the build tree doesn't catch on fire |
| 21:36.16 | [g2] | well gentoo has tinderbox's that catalyst can build iirc |
| 21:37.09 | [g2] | ideally, automated tinderbox, but initially, it could be manual with the results rolled-up |
| 21:37.35 | kergoth | pb has had an oe tinderbox going automated in the past |
| 21:37.48 | kergoth | doesnt show individual packages yet, but the point is, its been done, and will be done again |
| 21:38.09 | keturn | Odd. ipkg-native blew up on do_patchcleancmd with quilt's "Usage:" message, like it was started with bogus options. |
| 21:38.28 | kergoth | thats strange, particularly since oe builds itself a known working version of quilt |
| 21:39.54 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:39.56 | kergoth | ~lart today |
| 21:40.37 | reenoo_ | ~today |
| 21:40.38 | ibot | I don't know what today is, but it probably sucks. |
| 21:40.45 | kergoth | ~lart tomorrow for good measure |
| 21:41.18 | reenoo_ | ~stab java's locking |
| 21:41.21 | ibot | ACTION runs at java's locking with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 21:41.29 | keturn | the "commands are:" section of the usage message is br0ken. I probably hosed stuff by trying to mv TMPDIR without re-building it. |
| 21:41.42 | kergoth | thatll do it |
| 21:41.47 | kergoth | native apps tend to have hardcoded paths to staging |
| 21:41.56 | kergoth | due to --prefix= and friends pointing there |
| 21:42.11 | keturn | go go gadget symlink. |
| 21:42.21 | kergoth | heh, indeed |
| 21:42.44 | zecke | kergoth: Do you know if there are seperate tables for Ctrl L and Ctrl R? |
| 21:43.37 | kergoth | dont recall off the top of my head |
| 21:43.41 | kergoth | would have to check |
| 21:57.34 | keturn | should I be manually scrubbing things like tmp/rootfs between image builds? |
| 22:00.46 | kergoth | tmp/rootfs is wiped by the image creation classes before it gets populated |
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| 22:21.11 | CIA-4 | 03zecke 07 * r1.3040.2.1 10openembedded/packages/qte/qte-for-opie_2.3.10-snapshot-20050131.bb: Update snapshot |
| 22:21.14 | CIA-4 | 03zecke 07 * r1.3040.2.2 10openembedded/conf/distro/opensimpad-0.9.0.conf: |
| 22:21.14 | CIA-4 | SIMpad: |
| 22:21.14 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.16 | CIA-4 | 03zecke 07 * r1.3074 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merged |
| 22:21.21 | CIA-4 | 03zecke 07 * r1.3075 10openembedded/packages/icewm/ (icewm_1.2.20.bb icewm-1.2.20/makefile.patch): IceWm courtsey Alex Lange |
| 22:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... interesting |
| 22:23.13 | CIA-4 | 03zecke 07 * r1.3076 10openembedded/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc-native_2.3.10-snapshot-20050131.bb: |
| 22:23.13 | CIA-4 | Uic Moc Qt2: |
| 22:23.13 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.45 | suix | hi |
| 22:33.18 | suix | I've problems compiling opie-image |
| 22:33.40 | suix | it dont find http://treke.net/oe/source/qt-embedded-2.3.10-snapshot-20050120.tar |
| 22:33.53 | suix | I get an error: 20:56:28 ERROR 404 Not Found. |
| 22:34.06 | suix | I've tryed 2 times and I've got the same error |
| 22:35.17 | zecke | suix: these are Qt snapshots, and they were removed upstream |
| 22:35.27 | zecke | suix: bk pull && touch conf/local.conf |
| 22:35.40 | zecke | and snapshots from the 31st of January should be fetched |
| 22:35.45 | suix | I dont have installed bitkeeper |
| 22:35.51 | suix | ok |
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| 22:36.05 | suix | I'll download the last snapshot |
| 22:36.08 | suix | thanks |
| 22:38.00 | suix | 1 february are out |
| 22:38.08 | suix | I'll use this ones |
| 22:43.52 | zecke | suix: to use the snapshot you want bk mv the file |
| 22:44.05 | suix | ? |
| 22:44.10 | zecke | packages/qte/qte-for-opie-*20050120.bb |
| 22:44.23 | zecke | and the date specifies which version of the snapshot to get |
| 22:44.35 | zecke | so if you want to get Feb 1st use 20050201 |
| 22:45.00 | suix | ok |
| 22:45.03 | suix | I'll see |
| 22:45.10 | suix | for making the opie |
| 22:45.26 | suix | I do #bitbake opie-image |
| 22:45.33 | keturn | hmm. the foo-cross packages really don't need to be built with -Os. Oh well. |
| 22:46.07 | zecke | suix: everything behind the _ is the package-version ( ${PV} ) |
| 22:46.34 | zecke | suix: and you will find stuff like SRC_URI = "http://foo.com/${PN}-${PV}.tar.gz" |
| 22:48.40 | suix | but ehere I'll find it? |
| 22:48.48 | suix | Im not understanding anything |
| 22:49.48 | suix | well |
| 22:50.02 | suix | I'm going to watch tv while it get's compiled |
| 22:50.11 | zecke | good nite |
| 22:50.27 | suix | see u and thanks |
| 22:50.31 | suix | for all |
| 22:51.06 | Pendalar | sweet |
| 22:51.15 | Pendalar | after 2 weeks of building on this old ass comp |
| 22:51.19 | Pendalar | NOTE: package uicmoc-native-2.3.10-snapshot-20050120-r0: task do_fetch: failed |
| 22:51.22 | Pendalar | and killed the image =-s |
| 22:51.45 | suix | :| |
| 22:52.20 | zecke | Pendalar: next time to bitbake what-yout-want -cfetch first |
| 22:52.25 | suix | is there any way to get all archives before compiling? |
| 22:52.46 | suix | with -cfecth? |
| 22:53.08 | kergoth | "all archives" .. every package in oe? |
| 22:53.10 | zecke | yes but fetch not fecth |
| 22:53.11 | kergoth | or a subset? |
| 22:53.18 | suix | lol |
| 22:53.19 | kergoth | bitbake -k -c fetch world |
| 22:53.41 | suix | how much mg's are |
| 22:53.41 | suix | ? |
| 22:54.12 | suix | well |
| 22:54.14 | suix | c u! |
| 22:54.18 | kergoth | dunno, my DL_DIR has lots of old sources, so it owuldnt be a good example |
| 22:54.27 | suix | tomorrow I'll come with more questions |
| 22:54.28 | suix | :D |
| 22:54.31 | suix | bye |
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| 23:24.09 | keturn | Is there a way to clean up the things in TMPDIR that aren't being used? i.e. a way to get a list of which things in deploy/ipk and work/* were used in recent builds and which are old and crufty? |
| 23:24.23 | kergoth | not really |
| 23:24.50 | rphillips | has there been any work on the SL-C3000 port? |
| 23:25.29 | reenoo_ | deploy/ipk is "cleaned" up. old ipks are moved to deploy/ipk/morgue |
| 23:25.45 | treke | rphillips: not really |
| 23:28.30 | treke | no one has shown much interested in the device |
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| 23:31.32 | rphillips | wb treke |
| 23:31.59 | rphillips | treke: can you tell me the best supported clamshell variety zaurus? |
| 23:32.10 | treke | c750 and c860 |
| 23:32.17 | RP | :) |
| 23:33.07 | treke | well there are only 4 of them out there :) |
| 23:33.21 | treke | one of them is completely unsupported, and the other one just sucks |
| 23:34.52 | rphillips | its too bad dynamism only has the 3000 on their website |
| 23:38.55 | kergoth | dynamism are a ripoff, generally |
| 23:39.33 | treke | yeah |
| 23:39.51 | treke | paying a couple hundred dollars markup is generally not worth it |
| 23:40.36 | treke | maybe on a laptop, but not when the markup is basically a third of the base price |
| 23:41.09 | rphillips | are there any other american distributors? |
| 23:41.23 | kergoth | there are a number of importers you can go through |
| 23:41.23 | rphillips | I am only aware of them |
| 23:41.30 | treke | order from one of the foreign distributers |
| 23:42.31 | treke | I'd recommend Japan Direct and Brando |
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| 23:43.00 | rphillips | will do.. I'll look them up. thanks |
| 23:51.44 | mithro | i've had no problems with conics |
| 23:52.28 | mithro | if someone sends me a SL-C3000 i'll help with the port of OpenZaurus to it :) |
| 23:54.37 | kergoth | hm, i received a package today that appears to contain sharp i/o connectors |
| 23:56.54 | RP | conics is where my C760 came from as well... |
| 23:57.23 | kergoth | getting LAB working on a 5500 might be interesting |