| 00:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - life sucks when you have multiple users, devfs and no devfsd |
| 00:06.03 | mikelp | I'm still not convinced about devfs |
| 00:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | I'm using it only for hotplugging on this particular device |
| 00:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | Since I remain in 2.4 hell |
| 00:09.03 | mikelp | By choice or mandated to you ? |
| 00:11.03 | CosmicPenguin | mandate |
| 00:11.17 | mikelp | ok, major suckage |
| 00:11.39 | mikelp | I was about to say 2.6.X is actually stable enough on x86_64 smp now |
| 00:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I would concur with that - I have 2.6.7-rc3-mm2 on my opteron |
| 00:12.58 | CosmicPenguin | working well |
| 00:13.15 | CosmicPenguin | Well, exept for this broadcom GB NIC which is a first class piece of shit |
| 00:13.46 | CosmicPenguin | I think I'm gonna take it out and put in a old school 3com 10/100 |
| 00:14.04 | CosmicPenguin | at least then I can have a ghost of a chance of beating 16kb both ways |
| 00:14.30 | mikelp | the broadcom gige work well in the opteron boxen |
| 00:14.46 | mikelp | the last suse kernel update does not like the nvidia driver though, I had to roll back the kernel update |
| 00:14.54 | CosmicPenguin | I have one on board, and the other is PCI |
| 00:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | I can't remember right off bat which one pisses me off |
| 00:15.33 | mikelp | lol |
| 00:23.02 | treke | night |
| 00:23.04 | treke | I'm off |
| 00:24.57 | mikelp | later |
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| 00:26.29 | cterry | grrr |
| 00:31.48 | cterry | Parsing pisses me off sometimes :) |
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| 00:59.30 | CoreDump|home | anyone building for the linksys wrt54g? Where does one obtain the mips toolchain? Or is OE suposed to build the toolchain from scratch? |
| 01:02.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:02.32 | kergoth | oe always builds itself a toolchain. we dont recommend doing anything else. |
| 01:04.02 | CoreDump|home | I've set MACHINE and DISTRI to wrt54g and try to compile a random package. It borks on glibc with checking for mipsel-linux-gcc... mipsel-linux-gcc -Os -mips2 |
| 01:04.02 | CoreDump|home | | checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 01:05.40 | kergoth | dunno what to tell you. its always worked for me when i've done it |
| 01:05.46 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 01:06.04 | kergoth | and i dont see a wrt54g machine .conf. |
| 01:06.13 | kergoth | did you even look in packages/conf/? |
| 01:06.17 | kergoth | wrt54g isnt a valid distro either |
| 01:06.28 | kergoth | MACHINE=wrt54 |
| 01:06.32 | kergoth | DISTRO=wrt54oe |
| 01:06.34 | kergoth | is valid |
| 01:08.01 | CoreDump|home | woops, i've got the DISTRI wrong, machine, however, was correct |
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| 01:39.17 | mjc | treke no longer providing cvs tarballs? |
| 01:39.40 | treke|home | I was last time I checked |
| 01:39.53 | mjc | url change? |
| 01:39.59 | treke|home | treke.net/oe/sources |
| 01:40.29 | mjc | treke.net/oe/source |
| 01:40.31 | treke|home | actually no I'm not |
| 01:40.33 | mjc | typo in local.conf |
| 01:40.37 | raster | treke|home: btw. nice job on oe. i am very impressed. there were a few glitches - but very nice work :) |
| 01:40.40 | treke|home | since someone moved the packages repository :p |
| 01:40.45 | mjc | http://treke.net/oe/source/ :p |
| 01:40.49 | treke|home | raster: hehe You mean kergoth :p |
| 01:40.53 | treke|home | I only did a few packages |
| 01:40.59 | raster | treke|home: who mainly works on oe? kergoth, you... who else? |
| 01:41.05 | raster | well i knwo kergoth kicked it all off |
| 01:41.07 | raster | did the hard yards |
| 01:41.08 | raster | :) |
| 01:41.14 | treke|home | kergoth, schurig, mickey, pb, and Cosmic did most of the stuff |
| 01:41.29 | mikelp | the rest of us hang on for the glory |
| 01:41.38 | raster | well |
| 01:41.42 | raster | nice work fellas |
| 01:41.48 | raster | i'm most duly impressed |
| 01:41.52 | raster | there are teething issues |
| 01:42.06 | raster | but to u coudl blame them on either src or mis-configuration |
| 01:42.11 | raster | but |
| 01:42.14 | raster | minor stuff |
| 01:42.17 | raster | very nice :) |
| 01:42.24 | treke|home | mickey and pb have been the real driving forces to make stuff actually run |
| 01:42.33 | raster | excellent |
| 01:43.00 | raster | this stuff imho is pretty much up there with commercial "dev envs" |
| 01:43.00 | raster | just minus any fancy gui |
| 01:43.00 | raster | setup is a little bit of work |
| 01:43.17 | raster | but this coudl be a serious contender as a commercial-grade linux "embeddeD" os dev system |
| 01:43.20 | raster | its that good. |
| 01:44.41 | mikelp | raster: mickey and I did start gui front ends, him kde, me gtk, but we both let it drop |
| 01:44.56 | raster | gotcha |
| 01:45.23 | raster | i can see that stuff turning oe INTO a full commercial-quality system |
| 01:45.24 | raster | ie |
| 01:45.28 | raster | i create a new "package" |
| 01:45.33 | raster | by clicking "new package" |
| 01:45.39 | raster | browse for a url to thr tarball |
| 01:45.41 | raster | or cvs stuff |
| 01:45.46 | raster | click "add patch" |
| 01:45.54 | raster | maybe "generate patch" if i hack it bit to fix it |
| 01:45.58 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 01:46.03 | mikelp | right |
| 01:46.03 | raster | be able to drag and drop dependenices |
| 01:46.04 | raster | etc. |
| 01:46.07 | raster | u get the idea |
| 01:46.22 | mikelp | hopefully OE will settle down a bit now, its matured a lot in the past 6 months |
| 01:46.25 | raster | then on the machine side being able to define jffs properties (eraseblock, etc.) |
| 01:46.52 | raster | and then for targets beign able to just dnd or "checmarck from all provided packages" the ones u want in your images |
| 01:46.53 | raster | etc. |
| 01:46.58 | raster | yeah |
| 01:47.00 | raster | its very good |
| 01:47.03 | raster | i am impressed |
| 01:47.16 | raster | its the best OS build system i have seen to date. |
| 01:47.34 | raster | its quite clean too |
| 01:48.15 | raster | the only problem is gpe is being quite sucky sucky long time |
| 01:48.23 | raster | also xati just doesnt run |
| 01:48.41 | raster | but teething problems i guess |
| 01:48.48 | raster | and mroe upstream issues |
| 01:49.07 | raster | except i swear i've seen this x problem before but i cant rememebr why it happened. |
| 01:49.15 | raster | it was some system setup/install issue |
| 01:50.49 | mikelp | yeah, opie is more mature on the zaurus, gpe in the iPaq and friends |
| 01:52.02 | treke|home | until oz 3.5.1 there really wasn't any way to run gpe on a zaurus |
| 01:52.07 | treke|home | without hacking it together yourself |
| 01:53.58 | treke|home | I was always surprised that sash avoided it |
| 01:54.49 | raster | hmmm |
| 01:54.55 | raster | but x isnt hard to get up |
| 01:54.56 | raster | mind u |
| 01:55.05 | mikelp | then its 2.6 hacking time |
| 01:55.06 | raster | i complain about opie/qpe/atopia |
| 01:55.19 | raster | but it defintiely is "smoother" and "more together" that gpe |
| 01:55.20 | raster | ie |
| 01:55.25 | raster | more knobs are much mroe polished |
| 01:55.55 | mikelp | some of the opie apps are more simplistic though |
| 01:55.56 | raster | btw |
| 01:56.01 | raster | how do i get access to the wiki |
| 01:56.15 | raster | i'd liek to add an extra line to the getting started stuff and the "env.sh" setup script |
| 01:56.22 | raster | to save peoel the few hrs of hurt i endured |
| 01:56.54 | treke|home | I thought the wiki was open for everyone to edit |
| 01:57.05 | raster | it is? |
| 01:57.08 | mikelp | raster: should be |
| 01:57.33 | raster | wow |
| 01:57.34 | raster | it is |
| 01:57.36 | raster | cool |
| 01:57.44 | raster | thought it was locked down |
| 01:59.28 | raster | fixed |
| 01:59.28 | raster | :) |
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| 02:00.39 | keysersoze | audrey? |
| 02:00.45 | keysersoze | ibot: audrey? |
| 02:00.46 | ibot | methinks audrey is http://www.audreyhacking.com/ |
| 02:00.51 | keysersoze | hehe |
| 02:00.57 | keysersoze | anyone here use one? |
| 02:01.11 | treke|home | mikelp: so you're doing some 2.6 hacking tonight? |
| 02:01.32 | mikelp | treke|home: Not tonight, I gotta work a double tomorrow - need sleep |
| 02:01.34 | mikelp | But over the weekend |
| 02:01.43 | treke|home | nifty |
| 02:02.11 | mikelp | Just need to make sure I have that NAND backup handy ;) |