| 00:00.41 | mithro-- | howdy people |
| 00:11.26 | mithro-- | anyone ever found a CF to IDE adapter? (IE you plug the IDE harddrive into a CF slot?) |
| 00:13.14 | emte | yeah they make em |
| 00:14.14 | mithro-- | emte: know where i could find them? |
| 00:14.34 | mithro-- | i can find the CF card to IDE conector |
| 00:14.38 | mithro-- | s |
| 00:14.58 | mithro-- | but not the reverse which is what i'm looking for |
| 00:15.47 | mithro-- | ie want the reverse of this http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/47/products_id/241 |
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| 00:16.21 | emte | http://www.vme.com.au/B2Ide.htm |
| 00:16.23 | joshua_epia | well |
| 00:16.32 | joshua_epia | my .oe of naim works. |
| 00:16.34 | joshua_epia | cool. |
| 00:16.44 | joshua_epia | (which is a good thing since nothing else is working for me, heh) |
| 00:17.08 | mithro-- | emte: they are all the wrong way around |
| 00:17.20 | emte | hmm i see what you mean |
| 00:17.41 | emte | you "could" use a serial adapter with an external case |
| 00:18.04 | mithro-- | serial adapter? |
| 00:18.10 | emte | or a cf-usb to an external usb-drive case |
| 00:18.20 | emte | they make a cf-serial |
| 00:18.44 | mithro-- | yeah but they are all painful |
| 00:18.53 | mithro-- | CF has a ATA-IDE compatible mode |
| 00:19.05 | joshua_epia | kergoth: what's the bk equivalent of 'cvs add'? |
| 00:19.12 | mithro-- | inreality it should only be a passive conntector plus a power supply |
| 00:19.21 | joshua_epia | heh |
| 00:19.27 | joshua_epia | my EPIA uses a cf-ide thingy as root. |
| 00:19.41 | emte | well you see all the board to go CF->IDE |
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| 00:19.51 | mithro-- | joshua_epia: i'm talking the other way around |
| 00:19.56 | emte | would be just as much to go the otehr way |
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| 00:20.40 | joshua_epia | ah. hmm |
| 00:20.50 | joshua_epia | I don't think that you really can go the other way. |
| 00:21.00 | joshua_epia | CF cards are expected to comply with CF spec as well as IDE spec. |
| 00:21.09 | joshua_epia | IDE is not expected to comply with CF spec. |
| 00:21.33 | emte | 05:30:07 PM |
| 00:22.02 | emte | you can go the other way, its more of an issue why |
| 00:22.13 | emte | and how many would actually buy the cf |
| 00:22.36 | emte | i am sure they exist as a prototype device on a few benches |
| 00:22.47 | joshua_epia | actually, I think pcmcia->ide exists. |
| 00:22.59 | emte | yeah it does |
| 00:23.01 | mithro-- | pcmcia->ide exists |
| 00:23.10 | joshua_epia | so if you were so inclined to build a cf->pcmcia adaptor (Talk about bulky and prone to breaking), you could do it like that |
| 00:23.16 | emte | very little hw difference tho |
| 00:23.20 | mithro-- | turns out to require very little circuity |
| 00:23.33 | joshua_epia | right. cf and pcmcia are electrically the same |
| 00:24.26 | mithro-- | ie idea is to allow a HD to be connected to the Zaurus |
| 00:24.54 | joshua_epia | I guess your best bet would be cf->pcmcia->ide |
| 00:25.35 | mithro-- | i wonder how you would go about powering the device |
| 00:26.56 | joshua_epia | using the power on CF... |
| 00:27.18 | joshua_epia | or I guess you could rig up an external power supply with a 7805 if you wanted to be power-guzzling, or a switchmode power supply if you wanted to be power sipping. |
| 00:27.45 | mithro-- | using the power on CF would suck to much battery |
| 00:28.00 | joshua_epia | then use an external power supply.. just tie grounds together and you will be OK |
| 00:28.23 | joshua_epia | although make sure the external power supply turns off when the zaurus's turns off otherwise you risk poofing the zaurus |
| 00:29.13 | mithro-- | yeah |
| 00:31.56 | mithro-- | i'm suprised no pocket pc device has something similar? |
| 00:34.23 | emte | mithro--: why waste time with cf? |
| 00:34.34 | emte | use your pinouts for the zaurus |
| 00:34.43 | mithro-- | hrm? |
| 00:35.07 | emte | it would be easier to integrate it into a cradle |
| 00:35.20 | emte | then you can tie the power for the drive into it |
| 00:35.28 | mithro-- | what cradle? |
| 00:35.50 | emte | i take it the zaurus doesnt use/have a cradle? |
| 00:36.15 | mithro-- | not the clam shell series |
| 00:36.24 | emte | ah |
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| 00:57.44 | mithro-- | so anyone know where you can get the USB cf cards? |
| 01:10.48 | joshua_epia | hmmm |
| 01:10.50 | joshua_epia | need real x11. |
| 01:10.55 | joshua_epia | diet-x11 won't cut it for qt, apparently. |
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| 01:16.42 | ljp | maybe try the USB-cf-card-getting-store :) |
| 01:19.52 | emte | http://www.mobileplanet.com/private/davesipaq/product.asp?pdept%5Fid=32&cat%5Fid=109&cat%5Fname=Accessories&dept%5Fid=3240&pf%5Fid=MP540386&listing=1 |
| 01:20.01 | emte | $159 |
| 01:23.53 | mithro-- | ouch... |
| 01:25.46 | mithro-- | http://www.mobileplanet.com/private/davesipaq/product.asp?pdept%5Fid=&cat%5Fid=101&cat%5Fname=Pocket+PC+Devices&dept%5Fid=5040&pf%5Fid=MP853509&listing=1&dp%5Fid=MP853509 |
| 01:25.57 | mithro-- | that would be cool if the Zaurus supported SDIO |
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| 01:28.49 | Com[Plex | anyone got vnc? |
| 01:31.34 | joshua_ | treke: why do we by default disable xlocale? |
| 01:31.42 | joshua_ | qt/x11 and gtk/x11 seem to depend on XIM... |
| 01:36.07 | treke|home | beats me |
| 01:36.16 | treke|home | I dont use X stuff |
| 01:36.42 | joshua_ | oddly enough, you maintain the package |
| 01:36.51 | treke|home | news to me |
| 01:37.17 | joshua_ | wiseguy586@bluefire /mnt/work/EPIA/OpenEmbedded $ grep MAINT packages/x11/* |
| 01:37.17 | joshua_ | packages/x11/x11_6.2.1.oe:MAINTAINER = "Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>" |
| 01:37.18 | joshua_ | packages/x11/x11_cvs.oe:MAINTAINER = "Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>" |
| 01:37.28 | treke|home | apparently I do |
| 01:37.41 | treke|home | still dont know anything about the |
| 01:37.45 | treke|home | still dont know anything about them |
| 01:37.52 | joshua_ | fair enough |
| 01:38.04 | treke|home | maybe I put them in or something |
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| 01:44.35 | Luke-Jr | ROFL |
| 01:47.34 | joshua_ | okay, I just bk sent a patch to add a naim oe. |
| 02:04.19 | kergoth | joshua_: i take it you found 'bk add'? :) |
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| 02:12.32 | NoRemorse | hello |
| 02:12.39 | NoRemorse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.44 | NoRemorse | there never seems to be any files in the download tool |
| 02:12.52 | kergoth | there is no download tool for oe. |
| 02:12.59 | kergoth | oe is a build tool |
| 02:13.13 | treke|home | check with the familiar developers for their plans. |
| 02:13.17 | NoRemorse | ok sorry, I am thinking openzaurus for ipaq |
| 02:13.19 | kergoth | the oe built distro for the ipaq is called familiar 0.8, and isnt out yet |
| 02:13.26 | treke|home | openzaurus on the ipaq is dead. |
| 02:13.35 | NoRemorse | ah ok so it ha smoved to familiar? thats evry cool |
| 02:13.49 | NoRemorse | thanks guys, any eta on familiar 0.8 ? |
| 02:13.55 | kergoth | oz and fam are built from teh same package data. they're almost identical, just for different platforms |
| 02:14.19 | kergoth | as treke says, best off checking with the folks who will be managing that release |
| 02:14.31 | NoRemorse | thanks |
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| 02:30.27 | andersee | kergoth: oemake seems to be broken at the moment |
| 02:30.33 | kergoth | how so? |
| 02:32.04 | andersee | $ oemake opie-image meta-opie |
| 02:32.05 | andersee | NOTE: Using cache in '/home/andersen/CVS/openembedded/build/tmp/cache' |
| 02:32.05 | andersee | NOTE: Parsing .oe files: | (0001/1775) [ 0 %]Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 02:32.05 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.05 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.06 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.08 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.10 | andersee | etc.... |
| 02:32.28 | andersee | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/andersen/CVS/openembedded//packages/conf/collie.conf' |
| 02:32.30 | andersee | hmm |
| 02:32.57 | andersee | am I supposed to have a collie.conf file? |
| 02:33.58 | andersee | Seems it should be looking for packages/conf/machine/collie.conf |
| 02:33.59 | kergoth | rm -rf tmp/cache |
| 02:34.06 | andersee | kergoth: k |
| 02:34.13 | kergoth | the caching code is busted, it doesnt check if the file *exists*, only checks its timestamps for modifications |
| 02:34.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:34.26 | kergoth | we moved the conf files around to reduce confusion |
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| 02:34.57 | noda | kergoth: Sorry, I got disconnected from ICQ, gaim is acting really weird |
| 02:35.04 | kergoth | heh, np |
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| 02:35.15 | noda | Did you send something? |
| 02:35.31 | kergoth | nothing of importance anyway |
| 02:35.36 | noda | lol |
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| 02:38.08 | andersee | kergoth: k, things seem happier now |
| 02:38.17 | kergoth | noda: what band ya gonna listen to? |
| 02:38.25 | kergoth | andersee: cool |
| 02:38.27 | kergoth | should fix that bug |
| 02:38.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:38.46 | noda | I'm listening to Blink 182 right now :) |
| 02:38.56 | kergoth | their new stuff or their old stuff? :) |
| 02:39.03 | kergoth | i like their old stuff mostly, but "i miss you" isnt bad |
| 02:39.07 | noda | Beats me. I've never really listened to them :P |
| 02:39.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:39.19 | noda | I'm listening to "Apple Shampoo" right now. Downloaded it last night :P |
| 02:39.27 | noda | "I miss you" is on my playlist |
| 02:39.27 | noda | ditto |
| 02:40.02 | kergoth | grab "Drunken Lullabies" by Flogging Molly |
| 02:40.09 | kergoth | good song |
| 02:40.33 | noda | Downloading :) |
| 02:40.42 | noda | @30kB/s :) |
| 02:53.17 | kergoth | noda: listen to that song yet? |
| 02:53.28 | noda | Yeah, it's fun :) |
| 02:53.35 | noda | I'm listening to "I miss you" now. This is just what I want to hear :) |
| 02:54.16 | kergoth | i'm listening to the new albums from Cake and Green Day atm |
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| 02:55.26 | treke|home | I like that cd in general |
| 02:56.23 | Nevarrie | is there a way to us bk to revert back to olderversion.. |
| 02:56.50 | Nevarrie | bk help |
| 02:57.50 | joshua_epia | mmm. |
| 02:57.51 | joshua_epia | stable. |
| 02:58.04 | kergoth | noda: www.bitmover.com |
| 02:58.05 | kergoth | er |
| 02:58.06 | kergoth | Nevarrie: |
| 02:58.14 | kergoth | Nevarrie: read the section of the docs on reverting things |
| 02:58.31 | kergoth | joshua_epia: running an oe rootfs on that epia? :) |
| 02:58.47 | joshua_ | I am! |
| 02:58.52 | joshua_ | bootstrap-image! |
| 02:58.57 | kergoth | excellent |
| 02:58.57 | Nevarrie | kergoth...with docs...I guess I am nto lookign in the right place... |
| 02:58.58 | joshua_ | right now I am building mythfront-image |
| 02:59.28 | kergoth | Nevarrie: http://www.bitkeeper.com/Documentation.FAQS.Undoing.html |
| 02:59.32 | kergoth | Nevarrie: "Undoing Work" |
| 02:59.41 | kergoth | linked right off the main page after clicking on documentation. |
| 03:00.19 | joshua_epia | er |
| 03:00.28 | joshua_epia | ipkg-make-index'd |
| 03:00.36 | Nevarrie | thanks kergoth... |
| 03:01.25 | kergoth | np |
| 03:04.10 | joshua_ | NOTE: package task-mythfront: build completed |
| 03:04.11 | joshua_ | ! |
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| 03:40.40 | joshua_ | hmm |
| 03:40.46 | joshua_ | what is the preferred version of flex_native? |
| 03:42.41 | treke|home | I like the one that works |
| 03:42.45 | joshua_ | hm |
| 03:42.45 | joshua_ | heh |
| 03:43.24 | joshua_ | apparently whatever I've got is fuxed |
| 03:44.30 | joshua_ | anybody else seen this error while building xfonts-xorg? |
| 03:44.31 | joshua_ | <stdout>:1199: error: `yy_prev_more_offset' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 03:44.45 | joshua_ | (While compiling /mnt/work/EPIA/OpenEmbedded/tmp/work/xfonts-xorg-6.8-r0/xc/config/pswrap/lexer.c, generated from lexer.l) |
| 03:45.21 | joshua_ | there. |
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| 03:48.07 | kergoth | hey jacques |
| 03:48.48 | jacques | hi kergoth I forgot to re-join this channel last time |
| 03:48.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:49.29 | joshua_ | kergoth: you see my changeset for naim? |
| 03:50.53 | joshua_ | ugh. I need another processor and a half |
| 03:51.14 | joshua_ | and a gig of ram wouldn't hurt either |
| 03:53.02 | joshua_ | heh. |
| 03:53.06 | joshua_ | I wouldn't mind an extra 8 registers |
| 03:53.41 | mjc | joshua_: he who cannot in 64K program, cannot in 512k |
| 03:54.13 | jacques | mmmmm mobile amd64 |
| 03:54.14 | joshua_ | mjc: I'd agree with you, almost. x86 is more like 8k though ;) |
| 03:54.42 | mjc | joshua_: x86 sucks, but it's not the worst |
| 03:55.38 | mjc | joshua_: the whole BIOS thing really bites, and x86 smp is hell |
| 03:56.35 | joshua_ | and a half |
| 03:57.13 | mjc | joshua_: amd64 is a joy by comparison :) |
| 03:58.21 | mjc | joshua_: but register starvation, while annoying, is not murderous |
| 04:02.36 | joshua_ | ah. I guess I stand corrected. |
| 04:08.09 | joshua_epia | an otherwise silent machine.. |
| 04:08.18 | mjc | joshua_: www.silenx.com |
| 04:09.13 | mjc | hah |
| 04:09.18 | mjc | in need of ram eh |
| 04:09.44 | joshua_ | 512mb aint enough to listen to mp3s, rip cds, browse, do an OE build, rebuild an ipkg index, and IRC |
| 04:10.12 | joshua_ | heh |
| 04:10.18 | joshua_ | my desktop has 512mb of something mixnmatch. |
| 04:10.44 | joshua_ | for what it's worth, the power supply on that machine is only noisy because I'm wall-powering it. if I was using my battery-powered supply it would not be as whiny. |
| 04:10.59 | joshua_ | I guess Is hould just cut out the fan on this and replace it with a smaller fan from downstairs. |
| 04:11.37 | joshua_ | this power supply is also noisy because I'm running it top-open... lost the top when I disassembled it at one point. and the fan is a particularly noisy fan. |
| 04:12.03 | mjc | joshua_: silenx is good. |
| 04:12.16 | joshua_ | silenx is pricey |
| 04:12.16 | mjc | very good. |
| 04:12.24 | mjc | 15dB is ~human_heartbeat |
| 04:12.26 | joshua_ | I got htis power supply for $0 |
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