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| 00:41.58 | ljp | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-kprobes.html?ca=dgr-lnxw09Kprobe |
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| 00:59.56 | treke|home | there are some pretty cool tools for doing dvds on linux now |
| 01:07.45 | kergoth | http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/ |
| 01:07.55 | kergoth | fun game. time waster (as if irc wasnt enough). |
| 01:09.20 | ljp | http://www.z4ck.org/ |
| 01:09.54 | mikelp2 | kergoth: worse than frozen bubble ? |
| 01:09.56 | ljp | never thought openzaurus would make it into fiction 'novel' |
| 01:10.11 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, he told me about it when he was just starting on it |
| 01:10.22 | kergoth | ljp: wanted to confirm i'd put a note about it on the site when it published |
| 01:11.26 | ljp | this book is already outdated :) |
| 01:11.32 | ljp | needs to use openembedded |
| 01:11.42 | mikelp2 | lol |
| 01:11.45 | kergoth | OE's a build tool. OZ's still the distro :) |
| 01:11.55 | kergoth | but yeah, thats the problem with any book featuring present day technology |
| 01:12.24 | treke|home | kergoth: is there anyone at sf.net that can fix permissions on oz.org? |
| 01:12.30 | treke|home | it needs a bit of cleaning |
| 01:12.38 | kergoth | i'm sure i can open a ticket about it |
| 01:12.41 | kergoth | who knows how long itll take |
| 01:12.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:12.51 | treke|home | at the moment files are owned pretty randomly |
| 01:13.04 | kergoth | imho, 99% of the content can just be thrown out right now |
| 01:13.21 | kergoth | what isnt outdated is useless, and what isnt useless is just plain inaccurate |
| 01:13.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:13.29 | treke|home | I was gonna move 3.3.7 over to unofficial, but tmm1 owns it :p |
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| 01:22.25 | kergoth | treke|home: we really need to kill off the old content eventually anyway |
| 01:22.38 | kergoth | for gpl compliance reasons. buildroot is no longer useful |
| 01:22.50 | kergoth | once we get oz 3.5.1 out, i'll wipe most of the site |
| 01:22.54 | treke|home | good plan |
| 01:23.04 | treke|home | in this case we never had source since we didnt build it :p |
| 01:23.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:23.20 | kergoth | dunno what he was thinking putting an unofficial release in official |
| 01:23.25 | kergoth | i made the distinction for a -reason- |
| 01:23.32 | mikelp2 | need to fix the 2.4.18 kernel first |
| 01:25.10 | treke|home | what is wrong with it? |
| 01:25.26 | mikelp2 | pcmcia has issues and unresolved symbols in the bluetooth modules |
| 01:25.59 | mikelp2 | the latest build will stall the entire machine for a minute or two when you insert a CF |
| 01:26.24 | kergoth | stall.. we should run oprofile over that period |
| 01:26.30 | kergoth | for a couple of insert/removal cycles |
| 01:26.35 | kergoth | see where the cpu time is spent |
| 01:26.57 | mikelp2 | it breaks ide-cs too, if you're lucky you might be able to manually mount it |
| 01:27.09 | mikelp2 | with the wireless card it stalls, but then works fine |
| 01:30.46 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 01:31.08 | treke|home | do I go to the store and buy more dvd disks? or do I hope I get this right in the next 2 tries? |
| 01:31.22 | mikelp2 | if you buy disks you will get it right in the next 2 tries |
| 01:31.54 | treke|home | which is good |
| 01:32.25 | mikelp2 | burning data dvd's ? |
| 01:32.29 | treke|home | video |
| 01:32.38 | treke|home | data dvds are easy |
| 01:32.40 | mikelp2 | Aha, bitch |
| 01:33.12 | treke|home | hehe |
| 01:33.21 | treke|home | making the menus and getting it to play isnt too bad |
| 01:34.24 | treke|home | it's getting the avis into proper mpeg 2 streams at the right frame rate and with synced audio that is being difficult |
| 01:34.53 | mikelp2 | transcode works well, but there's some deep magic in the right parameters |
| 01:35.05 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:36.03 | treke|home | I hope I got it right this time. Encoding time cut itself to a third of what it was before |
| 01:36.14 | treke|home | so i imagine transcode is actually working some magic this time |
| 01:36.21 | mikelp2 | should be 24 or 29.97 fps |
| 01:37.54 | kergoth | 13th warrior. i love this movie |
| 01:38.18 | mikelp2 | Hmmm, haven't seen that one |
| 01:38.47 | treke|home | that's the movie made off of Eaters of the Dead? |
| 01:38.51 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 01:39.06 | treke|home | should have stuck with the original title :) |
| 01:39.13 | kergoth | yeah, i agree there |
| 01:39.14 | kergoth | northman: *tosses sword to arab* |
| 01:39.14 | kergoth | arab: i cannot lift this |
| 01:39.15 | kergoth | northman: grow stronger! |
| 01:41.30 | treke|home | I wonder if I have that |
| 01:42.04 | kergoth | how was the book? |
| 01:42.21 | treke|home | not bad. |
| 01:42.27 | treke|home | a little dryer than the movie |
| 01:42.59 | treke|home | kergoth: it was written from the point of view of the arab documenting his journey |
| 01:43.51 | kergoth | nod |
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| 01:46.33 | treke|home | I think my favorite crichton movie was great train robbery |
| 01:46.58 | kergoth | dont think i ever saw that one |
| 01:47.41 | treke|home | dont remember who was in it other than connery |
| 01:48.28 | treke|home | wtf. They are making a jurrasic park four?! |
| 01:48.55 | kergoth | how.. pointless |
| 01:49.13 | treke|home | were they not finished pissing on the name with the 3rd one? |
| 01:49.54 | treke|home | I downloaded a bootleg of that and I still felt ripped off |
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| 02:04.05 | treke|home | looks like everything synced properly :p |
| 02:07.43 | treke|home | good thing since I went for the "dont go to store" route |
| 02:10.04 | mikelp2 | jurassic 3 is fun on the surround sound, but thjat's about it |
| 02:10.16 | mikelp2 | was on the abc hd feed the other night |
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| 02:15.56 | cterry | wow... |
| 02:16.00 | cterry | still compiling |
| 02:16.08 | cterry | NOTE: package orbit2-native-2.10.2-r0: task do_compile started |
| 02:16.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:16.29 | mikelp2 | cterry: what machine do you have for the build ? |
| 02:16.46 | treke|home | a horribly underpowered one :) |
| 02:16.56 | cterry | mm.. |
| 02:17.13 | cterry | mikelp2: AMD 800 Mhz, 256M ram. |
| 02:18.05 | mikelp2 | slow, slow, and more slow |
| 02:18.25 | cterry | yah. |
| 02:18.28 | mikelp2 | building gpe-image ? |
| 02:18.31 | treke|home | cterry: you've been doing gpe-image for what? 5 hours now? |
| 02:18.42 | cterry | I'm planning on getting a new machine this month and shuffle down... |
| 02:18.45 | mikelp2 | sounds about right, it takes a couple of hours on my opterons |
| 02:18.48 | cterry | yeah :) |
| 02:19.04 | treke|home | mikelp2: oh? gpe image is that much slower? |
| 02:19.13 | treke|home | opie-image takes me about an hour and 45 |
| 02:19.57 | kergoth | you'd think opie would be slower, given g++.. |
| 02:19.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.54 | mikelp2 | firefox alone takes somewhere like 30 mins |
| 02:21.30 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 02:21.32 | treke|home | ah |
| 02:23.07 | tigrux | treke: Hat machine do you have? It seems to be terrific! |
| 02:23.21 | kergoth | he has a hat machine? ;) |
| 02:24.43 | treke|home | tigrux: 2x Xeon 2.6, 1GB ram |
| 02:26.46 | mikelp2 | no need for household heating with that baby |
| 02:26.52 | treke|home | nope |
| 02:27.23 | treke|home | keeps it nice and toasty at my desk |
| 02:27.41 | mikelp2 | the dual opteron actually runs cooler than the UP Athlon next to it |
| 02:27.54 | cterry | NOTE: package gconf-2.6.1-r0: task do_configure started |
| 02:28.05 | treke|home | if I ever go opteron it'll probably go in a closet somewhere on the network |
| 02:28.14 | treke|home | and I'll just access it via a laptop |
| 02:28.28 | ljp | thats cause yer l337 |
| 02:28.43 | mikelp2 | I built a uber workstation with it, nvidia fx5950 card, 500G satas, 2G ram |
| 02:29.11 | treke|home | mikelp2: I've found I dont use my workstation that much |
| 02:29.19 | treke|home | I usually end up on the couch with my laptop |
| 02:30.04 | mikelp2 | Its my main nwn machine, but, yeah, apart from that I just run processor intensive stuff on it |
| 02:30.54 | mikelp2 | I wanted to do some video stuff on it, but the opensores tool for video suck |
| 02:31.08 | treke|home | i'd like a laptop I can do some games on |
| 02:31.17 | treke|home | but at the moment I'm 3dless on a ppc |
| 02:31.33 | mikelp2 | I'm on my shinybook right now |
| 02:31.39 | treke|home | shinybook? |
| 02:31.44 | mikelp2 | powerbook 12" |
| 02:31.48 | treke|home | ah |
| 02:33.08 | treke|home | i've got the 15 |
| 02:33.19 | treke|home | I love the wide screen |
| 02:33.29 | mikelp2 | I had a 14" thinkpad, got annoyed with the size/weight |
| 02:33.36 | cterry | hmm... it's doine matchbox now... |
| 02:33.36 | treke|home | yeah |
| 02:33.50 | treke|home | i'm debating 12 vs 15 for my next laptop |
| 02:33.51 | mikelp2 | the G5 will be running with dual 20" cinema displays ;) |
| 02:33.59 | treke|home | I like the 12 inch from a size perspective |
| 02:34.08 | treke|home | but I dont know if I'd like the smaller screen |
| 02:34.19 | treke|home | 1024x768 is pretty small |
| 02:34.33 | kergoth | i need a nice small & light laptop primarily as a terminal. ssh client, gaim, irc, thats about it. |
| 02:35.01 | treke|home | most of my laptop usage is fairly long term |
| 02:35.05 | mikelp2 | kergoth: I compared the X30 to the powerbook, lack of firewire and dvi made me go this way |
| 02:35.07 | treke|home | so I dont carry it around much |
| 02:35.35 | mikelp2 | I use the laptop all day long at work, on a remote site |
| 02:35.37 | treke|home | I'll bring it with me days I know I need it and use it for 5-8 hour stretches |
| 02:37.01 | treke|home | bleh. this file played perfectly in mplayer |
| 02:37.06 | treke|home | my dvd player crashes and burns on it |
| 02:37.41 | mikelp2 | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/pics/OLS2004/tn/img_1005.jpg.html |
| 02:37.50 | mikelp2 | my 12" next to the 17" |
| 02:38.23 | treke|home | does anything happen at ols besides an immense amount of drinking? |
| 02:38.38 | cterry | lol.. which one is you |
| 02:38.41 | mikelp2 | not for our crowd, we go for the drinking |
| 02:38.58 | mikelp2 | I've got the linuxsymposium tshirt on |
| 02:39.02 | cterry | I see... |
| 02:39.03 | treke|home | that gb2 hiding in the doorway? |
| 02:39.09 | mikelp2 | yeah |
| 02:39.17 | cterry | that your smirnoff on the right? |
| 02:39.21 | mikelp2 | the other guy is dwmw, jffs/mtd dude |
| 02:40.02 | mikelp2 | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/pics/OLS2004/tn/img_1009.jpg.html |
| 02:40.25 | treke|home | you look it :) |
| 02:40.34 | cterry | lol.. I thought I was the only person who drank that stuff... lol |
| 02:40.35 | kergoth | mike's an entertaining drunk |
| 02:41.02 | cterry | Lately I prefer the green apple though... |
| 02:41.03 | treke|home | mikelp2: You dont look particularly sober in the first picture either :p |
| 02:41.29 | kergoth | bzflag during the day, drinking at night. ols is my kind of place. |
| 02:41.29 | mikelp2 | I was a little drunk that night |
| 02:41.31 | cterry | lol.. what's he smilling about ??? http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/pics/OLS2004/tn/img_1013.jpg.html |
| 02:41.56 | mikelp2 | arrgh, me being invaded by the german |
| 02:42.05 | treke|home | cterry: you really dont want to know |
| 02:42.29 | cterry | hahahaha |
| 02:42.38 | mikelp2 | that's Chris Hellwig |
| 02:42.52 | treke|home | so where is kergoth? :p |
| 02:42.58 | mikelp2 | "Linux: the system built by drunks" |
| 02:43.08 | kergoth | i'm not in many pictures, i'm pretty quiet and unobtrusive, drunk or sober |
| 02:43.25 | cterry | so where was this at? |
| 02:43.37 | kergoth | cterry: ols. the ottawa linux symposium. |
| 02:44.00 | cterry | Canada? |
| 02:44.08 | treke|home | mikelp2: Is Linux is built by drunks, I'd hate to see who is building windows. |
| 02:44.21 | treke|home | crackheads |
| 02:44.31 | CoreDump|sick | treke|home: heh |
| 02:44.42 | kergoth | treke|home: http://rikers.org/gallery/ols2004/img_0354 was the first night there |
| 02:44.59 | treke|home | hehe. |
| 02:45.11 | treke|home | kergoth: every time I see a picture of you it looks wrong. |
| 02:45.24 | treke|home | You look way to sweet and innocent :) |
| 02:45.34 | kergoth | yeah, i look pretty harmless |
| 02:46.14 | cterry | lol.. look like a trouble maker... |
| 02:46.23 | kergoth | http://rikers.org/gallery/ols2004/keith <-keith packard's technique to improve his wireless reception |
| 02:46.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:46.58 | cterry | lol |
| 02:47.37 | treke|home | cant do it |
| 02:47.39 | kergoth | heh, timriker doesnt drink |
| 02:48.01 | mikelp2 | we did beat him to get bzflag built and installed on the wrt54gs though |
| 02:48.07 | treke|home | ... |
| 02:48.17 | treke|home | bzflag on the wrt54gs? |
| 02:48.21 | cterry | what is bzflag? |
| 02:48.23 | treke|home | sick and twisted |
| 02:48.24 | treke|home | I like it. |
| 02:48.26 | mikelp2 | yeah, got the server on it |
| 02:48.32 | kergoth | treke|home: thats why bzflag is in oe. |
| 02:48.33 | mikelp2 | I've got the binary around here somewhere |
| 02:48.35 | kergoth | treke|home: :) |
| 02:48.47 | cterry | lol.. wtf is it? |
| 02:48.53 | kergoth | ~bzflag |
| 02:48.54 | ibot | [bzflag] a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 02:48.55 | mikelp2 | riker got the server running on the 760 |
| 02:49.39 | cterry | Like tribes? |
| 02:50.02 | mikelp2 | treke|home: each yr we have to have one night of outrageous drunkeness, one project hacked, and the key note speaker drinking game |
| 02:50.13 | mikelp2 | the other nights are just average drunkeness |
| 02:50.24 | cterry | wow... like that old game battlezone... |
| 02:50.32 | treke|home | BattleZone |
| 02:50.33 | treke|home | BZ |
| 02:50.39 | cterry | right.. |
| 02:50.40 | cterry | ok. |
| 02:51.20 | cterry | WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW that is some cat!!! http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzkitty.jpg |
| 02:51.30 | treke|home | ha |
| 02:51.34 | kergoth | ha |
| 02:54.44 | cterry | perl |
| 02:56.30 | cterry | Kergoth: Im having trouble mounting that image. |
| 02:56.36 | kergoth | what trouble? |
| 02:57.31 | cterry | kergoth: well.. I'm mounting with "mount ./image /mnt/image -t jffs2 -o loop=/dev/loop0" and it says |
| 02:57.36 | cterry | Requires Block device.. |
| 02:57.48 | treke|home | you cant mount jffs2 images on a loopback device |
| 02:57.53 | cterry | ahhh.. |
| 02:57.53 | kergoth | you can |
| 02:57.55 | treke|home | at least not that way |
| 02:57.55 | kergoth | if you use blkmtd |
| 02:58.14 | kergoth | jffs2 on mtd on blkmtd on loop :) |
| 02:58.26 | treke|home | is blkmtd simpler than mtdram? |
| 02:58.36 | mikelp2 | for a given definition of error_block |
| 02:58.46 | mikelp2 | erase_block rather |
| 02:58.47 | kergoth | treke|home: blkmtd is just mtd on top of any block device |
| 02:59.02 | kergoth | treke|home: actually, there's no real need for us to have mtd on our persistant ramdisk. |
| 02:59.05 | cterry | Ok.. so wht is the command. |
| 02:59.07 | kergoth | could probably use one of the alternatives |
| 02:59.11 | kergoth | cterry: google is your friend |
| 02:59.20 | mikelp2 | cterry: its easier to flash the Z |
| 02:59.21 | treke|home | kergoth: Well I'm just thinking back to when I mounted jffs2 images |
| 02:59.24 | kergoth | cterry: its mentioned in numerous threads |
| 02:59.26 | treke|home | it was a pain with mtdram :p |
| 02:59.29 | kergoth | treke|home: ahh yeah |
| 02:59.40 | kergoth | its less painful |
| 02:59.41 | cterry | lol... I hat that. |
| 03:02.00 | mikelp2 | sleep time, tomorrow will be another long day at work |
| 03:02.35 | kergoth | ugh, work.. tomorrow |
| 03:02.36 | kergoth | sunday sucks |
| 03:03.25 | cterry | hmm... boatloads on compiling it. |
| 03:04.56 | kergoth | ~google for mount jffs2 loopback |
| 03:06.57 | kergoth | looks like its as simple as modprobing jffs2 and blkmtd |
| 03:07.08 | kergoth | insmod blkmtd device=/dev/loop0 |
| 03:07.09 | kergoth | etc |
| 03:07.12 | kergoth | not much to it |
| 03:07.14 | treke|home | looks like the place i ordered from reopens today |
| 03:07.20 | cterry | which link did you look at |
| 03:07.20 | treke|home | so that's good news |
| 03:13.16 | cterry | doesnt look like blkmtd is on the base linux install. |
| 03:15.09 | kergoth | cterry: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2004-February/009185.html shows the steps. |
| 03:15.22 | kergoth | cterry: then we'll have to build a blkmtd module for the kernel thats in flash used by the updater |
| 03:15.45 | cterry | how about using a different kind of fs type? |
| 03:15.57 | kergoth | jffs2 is only if you need rw |
| 03:16.07 | kergoth | you could have a small compressed read only filesystem image (cramfs) |
| 03:16.28 | cterry | sounds good |
| 03:16.29 | treke|home | what is it being used for? |
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| 03:16.42 | kergoth | treke|home: including shit along with our updater.sh |
| 03:16.47 | cterry | treke: installation via updater.sh |
| 03:16.48 | treke|home | why not just use ext2? |
| 03:16.49 | kergoth | treke|home: using an image, dont need to unpack it somewhere |
| 03:16.59 | treke|home | seems like less work to me |
| 03:17.01 | kergoth | image/tarball to reduce the amount of shit we need to include. |
| 03:17.09 | kergoth | you want the user to have to drop 42 files on their card? |
| 03:17.14 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:17.17 | treke|home | use an ext2 fs |
| 03:17.24 | treke|home | mount it loop back |
| 03:17.27 | kergoth | i dont see what you'd gain. |
| 03:17.30 | kergoth | cramfs gives you compression |
| 03:17.33 | kergoth | and we dont need rw |
| 03:17.43 | treke|home | you'd gain not having to confuse the hell out of cterry |
| 03:17.45 | kergoth | jffs2 would be pointless, there's no doubt there |
| 03:17.45 | treke|home | :) |
| 03:17.58 | cterry | lol.. |
| 03:18.04 | cterry | thanks |
| 03:18.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:18.18 | kergoth | mount -t cramfs -o loop /path/to/image /mnt |
| 03:18.22 | kergoth | nothing to it |
| 03:18.25 | cterry | right. |
| 03:18.56 | cterry | and native binaries for cramfs in OE somewhere? |
| 03:19.04 | cterry | (to create image)0 |
| 03:19.33 | kergoth | doubt it. wouldnt be tough to add though (mkcramfs) |
| 03:19.40 | cterry | ok... |
| 03:19.41 | kergoth | would be nice to able to emit cramfs images |
| 03:19.50 | cterry | rather than depending on user to have it on their system. |
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| 03:21.44 | cterry | weird |
| 03:21.46 | cterry | ok |
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| 03:24.38 | cterry | installing it on my build machine |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | | FATAL: autoreconf execution failed. |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | NOTE: Task failed: |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | ERROR: package libglade-2.4.0-r1: task do_configure failed |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | ERROR: package libglade: build failed |
| 03:25.10 | cterry | ERROR: Build of gpe-image failed |
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| 03:38.16 | cterry | everyone get that message? |
| 03:38.43 | treke|home | the one about libglade failing? |
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| 03:39.13 | cterry | no the one about freenode shutting down for system updates |
| 03:39.39 | kergoth | outage? you mean.. no irc? does this mean we have to actually be productive or something? |
| 03:39.40 | cterry | although, if you know offhand why libglade failed, I'd love to know that also :) |
| 03:39.47 | cterry | I guess. |
| 03:39.54 | kergoth | thats just not right :) |
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| 03:43.38 | cterry | OK |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | got cramfs installed.. |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | I'll build the image and get it going tomorrow at lunch. |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | The integration with the 6000 will be simple.. |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | there is one other file time |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | type |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | sorry |
| 03:43.38 | cterry | Then we can talk about getting things into the build. |
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