| 00:01.47 | pear | i was afraid it would be something complicated sounding like that :) so i guess it is not wise to delete this folder? |
| 00:02.27 | tonymy01 | no. It isn't a mirror, just a virtual representation so to speak. It is actually root that is the virtual representation, /share/flash/data is the real deal |
| 00:02.50 | tonymy01 | mount and df are your friends, learn their output |
| 00:03.15 | pear | omg, so when i'm browsing /, im actually browsing and editing files in /shared/flash/data? |
| 00:03.24 | tonymy01 | yep |
| 00:03.25 | pear | i will learn it, soon :) |
| 00:03.38 | tonymy01 | this is for unslung |
| 00:04.07 | tonymy01 | i guess for a f/w that completely replaces all the linksys stuff, there is no need to do the pivoting from HDD etc if it is setup right |
| 00:05.05 | pear | right. i guess this is all done, like you say, so that when linksys stuff looks for things it. |
| 00:05.15 | pear | i will probably install debian soon anyhow |
| 00:05.24 | tonymy01 | yep, this is so you can run the linksys code but off the HDD |
| 00:05.52 | tonymy01 | all the good stuff goes into /opt |
| 00:06.28 | pear | do you know what the stuff in /share/flash/data/share/hdd/data is for also? is the contents of /data there important as i deleted it a few days ago. it doesnt seem to have messed anything up tho... |
| 00:07.08 | tonymy01 | hmm, have you rebooted it since then? |
| 00:07.14 | pear | yep |
| 00:07.34 | tonymy01 | Remember, /share/flash/data/share/hdd/data is a virtual representation, and the real deal is /share/hdd/data |
| 00:07.47 | tonymy01 | kind of backwards to before I suppose |
| 00:07.59 | pear | ah, yep, sry...i meant: /share/hdd/data |
| 00:08.22 | tonymy01 | It is /share/flash/conf (or /share/hdd/conf) that you can't delete actually |
| 00:08.51 | pear | no i didnt touch that as i saw a load of confs there and thought otherwise ;) |
| 00:09.02 | pear | it was just the /data stuff |
| 00:09.15 | tonymy01 | If your normal unslung is on /share/flash/data, then /share/hdd/data is the other usb port |
| 00:09.38 | tonymy01 | it should be empty if you don't have a second usb drive connected |
| 00:09.56 | pear | right, yes, i havent connected a flash as yet |
| 00:10.20 | tonymy01 | (this /share/hdd/data /share/hdd/conf are mount points for when you put in a natively formatted drive to mount its file system to) |
| 00:10.37 | tonymy01 | bash-3.2# mount |
| 00:10.38 | tonymy01 | usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) |
| 00:11.13 | tonymy01 | See, this shows the scsi/usb port sda, parition1 mounted to root and to /share/flash/data |
| 00:11.52 | tonymy01 | the only confusing bit is that /initrd, which is the internal flash point (when it is pivoted) shows /dev/sda1 too, but you can tell it is flash because of the jff2 |
| 00:11.55 | tonymy01 | jffs2 |
| 00:13.30 | pear | right, i think i get you. so if i write any scripts to access a connected usb, for example, /share/flash/hdd/data is what i use? |
| 00:13.43 | pear | to access foiles on it? |
| 00:13.48 | pear | *files |
| 00:13.48 | rwhitby | the real issue is that on unslung, the mounting of disks is controlled by Linksys proprietary binary applications. |
| 00:13.59 | tonymy01 | if it was formatted by the linksys app... hello rod |
| 00:14.24 | pear | and lynksys is lame :) |
| 00:14.36 | tonymy01 | ahh yes, so we are stuck with /share/flash based on the linksys ideas |
| 00:15.07 | tonymy01 | i dunno where a fat32 usb stick mounts to |
| 00:15.14 | tonymy01 | or an ntfs pc hdd |
| 00:15.15 | rwhitby | Linksys produce a consumer device which does pretty much what it's intended to do. They don't intend to create a user-expandable device, so don't need to have clear mount points. |
| 00:15.50 | rwhitby | Anyone who knows what a mount point is should probably move to SlugOS or Debian firmware anyway. |
| 00:15.58 | tonymy01 | :-) |
| 00:16.08 | pear | yep, thats true. i guess the easy solution is to just install debian later |
| 00:16.27 | pear | rwhitby, i barely know it...which is why i wioill stick to unslung for a little longer ;) |
| 00:16.30 | tonymy01 | I stuck with the linksys/unslung because it does what i need mainly |
| 00:17.06 | tonymy01 | which is a network file share reasonably easily controlled from a web page, and a tonne of mods from unslung ipkg |
| 00:17.20 | tonymy01 | and a few mods from Tony Incorporated (c) :-) |
| 00:17.25 | rwhitby | tonymy01: I actually intentionally installed Unslung on a slug the other month, specifically to get the 2.4 kernel USB implementation, cause recent kernels do not work better (and actually work worse) with the strange Topfield USB interface. |
| 00:17.58 | rwhitby | I cut it down so I now have Unslung-lite running from flash, with ftpd-topfield in the internal flash. |
| 00:18.16 | tonymy01 | so you have a few spare slugs rod I suppose |
| 00:19.18 | rwhitby | I have 4 - BlueSlug and ToppySlug at home, then ObeseSlug and DevSlug on the test rig at work. |
| 00:19.24 | rwhitby | None spare :-) |
| 00:20.02 | pear | guys, just one thing. i am setting up a rsync backup script. with all this virtual root linking stuff, should i be backing-up the "real" root (/) or this root in "shared"? |
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| 00:20.34 | pear | and in any case, i guess i should exclude "shared" itself from the backup as it would be recursive? |
| 00:23.59 | tonymy01 | i think do /share/hdd/data, to avoid any recursive, but you may miss other mounted filesystems that you may want to back up |
| 00:27.08 | tonymy01 | I think rsync itself can be made to avoid recursion also |
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| 00:32.39 | pear | hehe, ok, well that wont work because i deleted all the stuf in /share/hdd/data a few days ago :) |
| 00:32.51 | pear | urgh, i think i might have messed things up |
| 00:33.32 | tonymy01 | i might have meant /share/flash/data, it depends on where you have your drive plugged in |
| 00:33.56 | pear | ah, ok, so flash and hdd are bound to the physical ports? |
| 00:34.19 | tonymy01 | yep, kind of |
| 00:34.22 | pear | i have my hd in disk 2 port |
| 00:34.24 | pear | ok |
| 00:34.48 | pear | so all i deleted was my "flash" drive contents |
| 00:34.51 | pear | thats ok |
| 00:35.05 | tonymy01 | I think things changed when linksys introduced ntfs support, but essentially if you have the same f/w version, it should be the some |
| 00:35.38 | tonymy01 | (or was that "which drive should I unsling to" recommendations changed.... that might be it, fading brain cells) |
| 00:36.39 | tonymy01 | just type "df" to find out where you are definitely unslung to |
| 00:36.50 | pear | hehe, im finding it a bit confussing...but its gradually sinking in :) |
| 00:36.58 | pear | ill do that |
| 00:37.03 | tonymy01 | this will tell you the device also (sda or sdb) |
| 00:38.03 | tonymy01 | i find it confusing too, and I have been playing with it for maybe 4 years |
| 00:39.10 | tonymy01 | try plugging in a second (bigger) drive, and copying your old stuff across and getting it to work the same way again, lots of mounts all over the place, linksys decides to use a bit of both drives for the system info, lots of fiddling and *finally* get it to bootup as you wanted |
| 00:39.31 | tonymy01 | with your passwords etc intact |
| 00:40.20 | pear | ok, df says sda1 has used 1.3 mb, and sda2 only 4k. so I guess its unslung on sda1 which is mounted as /share/flash/data |
| 00:40.47 | pear | that makes sense as i had no bad effects deleting fron hdd |
| 00:40.53 | tonymy01 | those are 1k blocks remember, so is that meg or gig? |
| 00:41.11 | pear | ah, ok...so 1gig? |
| 00:41.21 | pear | i guess |
| 00:41.49 | tonymy01 | so this is my drive size: 240125792 |
| 00:42.06 | tonymy01 | which is 240,125,792x1K=240G |
| 00:42.37 | tonymy01 | my sda2 is 116meg |
| 00:42.59 | tonymy01 | this is the linksys partition that contains all the passwords and stuff |
| 00:44.52 | pear | er, it is saying sda1 has 57431292 1k-blocks and of those blocks 1339952 are used |
| 00:44.57 | pear | for sda2... |
| 00:45.15 | pear | ok, right i see ! |
| 00:46.16 | tonymy01 | So you are using a 60G drive by the looks of it |
| 00:47.31 | pear | yep its a 60G drive |
| 00:47.49 | pear | so sda1 and sda2 are just partitions on the same drive :/ |
| 00:47.55 | tonymy01 | yep |
| 00:48.01 | pear | urgh, linux is confussing :P |
| 00:48.06 | tonymy01 | and there is a third partition used for the swap space |
| 00:48.31 | pear | thats /dev/root right? |
| 00:48.40 | pear | 6528 blocks |
| 00:49.21 | tonymy01 | for some reason the mount command I have doesn't show the swap mount to /dev/sda3 |
| 00:50.11 | pear | my print out doesnt even show a "swap" :D |
| 00:50.11 | tonymy01 | it is the "slingbox" mount, I have noticed other linux mount commands will show it |
| 00:50.44 | pear | right, dogy compiler settings on mount/df commands ... i guess :) |
| 00:50.47 | tonymy01 | nope, /dev/root is the root filesystem that the slug boots off, from the flash |
| 00:50.58 | tonymy01 | notice it is mounted to /initrd? |
| 00:51.08 | pear | yep, i see that |
| 00:51.52 | tonymy01 | So /share/blah/data and / are pivoted, and the old / is pivoted to /initrd (so you can still alter the behavour of the flash if you really want) |
| 00:53.47 | pear | when you say "pivoted" are you saying that they are considered as the same when referenced? is that what pivoting is? |
| 00:53.56 | pear | i need to install putty. WinSCP's native command shell suxx! |
| 00:54.22 | tonymy01 | no, pivoting is telling the filesystem to refer to that point a different way |
| 00:54.57 | tonymy01 | so instead of accessing the flash stuff (original linksys with some unslung tweaks only) with "/", once pivoted you access with /initrd |
| 00:55.24 | tonymy01 | i am trying to find the bootup sequence to find out exactly the process just now |
| 00:56.24 | tonymy01 | bingo... in /initrd, there is a file called "linuxrc". This does all the magic |
| 00:57.17 | tonymy01 | so when it first boots, it loads that up, and that is what detects the HDD and sees the little ".sda1root" or ".sda2root" unslung "signals" to tell it how to mount and pivot |
| 00:58.45 | tonymy01 | that is the beginning stage of the bootup, then it starts loading stuff in /etc/rc.d |
| 00:59.27 | tonymy01 | anyway, this is "advanced slug bootup and mounting"... more than you need to know for a new introduction to the nslu2 |
| 01:00.09 | pear | yes, definitely more than i need...but interesting! i'm kind of getting it :) |
| 01:00.19 | pear | but ill need to do a LOT more reading forst :) |
| 01:00.49 | pear | at least i now know what the shared stuff is now and how to best backup. which is really what was bugging me |
| 01:01.39 | tonymy01 | I have spent about a year looking at 2 or 3 embedded system type linux setups (in my Asus ADSL2 wireless router, and in a High Definition PVR, and of course in the SLUG) so am slowly getting familiar with some of the bootup sequence. I still don't know any kernel stuff yet though.. |
| 01:06.05 | pear | the kernel stuff is just scary :) but i recently bought a GP2X (linux handheld game console) and my eeepc with linux installed will arrive tommorow. plus, i am really getting sick of Windows (shitty Vista) so i cant put off learning a bit more of linux, really. :) |
| 01:06.29 | pear | i just wish all these years with Windows hadnt turnt me into such a lamer :) |
| 01:06.45 | tonymy01 | the slug is what got me into linux actually |
| 01:06.57 | tonymy01 | i still run xp on my main machine though |
| 01:07.07 | tonymy01 | i am typing to you from trillian running on my xp machine |
| 01:07.42 | tonymy01 | (with a remote desktop session from work.. it is 11am here in Aussieland, tunnelling thru an SSH session to my slug) |
| 01:08.11 | tonymy01 | this is one of the nice things with putty actually |
| 01:08.41 | tonymy01 | you setup ssh on the slug, and run putty on your remote machine, and then can tunnel any port you want from the remote machine to your local network |
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