| 01:14.46 | CIA-20 | 03bzhou * r7488 10optware/trunk/make/mpg123.mk: mpg123: 0.68 -> 1.0.0 |
| 01:31.28 | rwhitby | eno: I thought you were on holidays! ;-) |
| 01:38.54 | ka6sox-laptop | ya... |
| 02:16.35 | rwhitby | turnup is now obsolete :-) |
| 02:19.26 | ka6sox-laptop | uh oh... |
| 02:20.36 | ka6sox-laptop | how are we going to recover from "losing" a HD and findding it after the next reboot? |
| 02:29.34 | mwester | neither reflash nor turnup are obsolete, they are just rejected for questionable reasons. |
| 02:32.31 | rwhitby | ok, obsolete is too strong a word. there is now another working way to pivot to a disk. |
| 02:32.46 | rwhitby | ka6sox-laptop: apex alternatives support is the next thing on my list |
| 02:33.11 | rwhitby | then you push a button to switch to the recovery rootfs in jffs2. |
| 02:33.18 | rwhitby | (during boot) |
| 02:34.13 | rwhitby | mwester: note that none of this is affecting SlugOS, it's stuff that's being incrementally tested on Angstrom (from which we will make a derivative distro, not use it as-is) to see if it can have all the same features as slugos, but in a way that is supported by more than one distro. |
| 02:34.59 | rwhitby | (it's an evolution, which will take many months and lots of feature adding, not a revolution) |
| 02:36.14 | ka6sox-laptop | okay so on the slugOS release happening soon we will have turnup? |
| 02:45.13 | rwhitby | yes, slugos 4.x is in feature freeze |
| 02:45.22 | rwhitby | has been for some time now. |
| 02:45.40 | rwhitby | just waiting for alpha tester report emails on the mailing list before we do a binary release. |
| 02:46.20 | ka6sox-laptop | okay I'm writing up and email tonight |
| 02:46.36 | ka6sox-laptop | can I send you the infrastructure report toniht? |
| 02:46.39 | rwhitby | yep |
| 02:46.46 | ka6sox-laptop | okay |
| 02:55.38 | rwhitby | mwester: angstrom is no where near replacing slugos. for example, there is no madwifi support for eabi as far as I can see. |
| 03:49.21 | WeeJay | does anyone know how I can modify the startup script to automatically mount the filesystem on the thumb drive?? Adding it to custom-user-startup did not work |
| 04:08.26 | rwhitby | WeeJay: best place to ask openwrt questions is in #openwrt |
| 04:08.44 | WeeJay | oh then why is this channel listed in the wiki? :-P |
| 04:08.56 | rwhitby | (as very few people in here will be running it, and it's very different from Unslung or SlugOS) |
| 04:09.07 | rwhitby | Oh, I need to change that now that it's a fully supported target for Kamikaze. |
| 04:09.09 | rwhitby | which page? |
| 04:09.37 | rwhitby | to give you an idea, we've had 50000 Unslung, 16000 SlugOS, and only 2000 OpenWrt downloads. |
| 04:09.52 | WeeJay | which one is most recommended? |
| 04:10.08 | rwhitby | depends what you want to do - they all serve different purposes. |
| 04:10.24 | rwhitby | They are all recommended, for different user applications |
| 04:10.43 | WeeJay | I dont' care much for the web interface...i want to run something that is as close to a traditional linux system |
| 04:11.20 | WeeJay | I want to be able to ssh in, run bind, squid, radius and syslog. |
| 04:11.46 | WeeJay | at the same time I don't want to brick my unit :-) |
| 04:12.10 | WeeJay | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenWrt/HomePage <-- got the IRC channel info |
| 04:12.23 | rwhitby | Do you want to run everything from internal flash, or have a flash disk or hard disk always attached? |
| 04:12.41 | WeeJay | I can get both. Currently I only have a gig flash disk. |
| 04:12.54 | WeeJay | I wanted to see how it all worked out before I invested more heavily |
| 04:13.34 | WeeJay | so far I have gotten bind working good...except for the fact that I can't get the thumb drive to automatically mount via the user startup script. So it does me no good |
| 04:14.18 | rwhitby | ok, wiki page fixed |
| 04:15.08 | rwhitby | unless you're really keen on wireless or routing stuff, or you really need to run from internal flash only, I would recommend slugos. |
| 04:15.47 | rwhitby | WeeJay: have you seen http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix ? |
| 04:16.08 | WeeJay | nope..never saw that link...loooking at it. |
| 04:17.31 | rwhitby | it's a bit out of date, but gives a good idea |
| 04:17.36 | WeeJay | that is very useful matrix. sorry I did not see this earlier. I could have saved one full days of work :-\ |
| 04:17.50 | rwhitby | feel free to link it into the wiki where you would have seen it. |
| 04:18.40 | WeeJay | rwhitby: I am liking this experience so far (my first embedded project) and I will be sure to contribute back once I have got everything the way I want it |
| 04:18.41 | rwhitby | I personally run SlugOS, Debian and OpenWrt on my boxes, as well as Optware packages on another box which still has vendor firmware. |
| 04:19.16 | rwhitby | (nslu2, nas100d, fsg3, datatank respectively) |
| 04:20.29 | WeeJay | I have a beast of a machine doing much of the stuff I want to do (dns, freeradius, samba, ssh, root CA etc.)...i would like to ONLY use this nslu2 unit. Since you recommend SlugOS, ill give that a shot |
| 04:24.42 | rwhitby | WeeJay: Check out Optware packages for SlugOS/BE too. |
| 04:25.06 | WeeJay | im not seeing much diff between SlugOSBE and SlugOS/LE (in matrix) |
| 04:25.29 | WeeJay | Currently im using optware pakages on openwrt to install bind. |
| 04:36.47 | WeeJay | rwhitby: I think I might give the gentooSlugOS a try. I am very familiar with Gentooo.... also it seems to be as close to a regular linux system as I wanted. |
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| 04:37.22 | rwhitby | there is no difference between SlugOS/LE and SlugOS/BE apart from the endianness. |
| 04:37.30 | rwhitby | some drivers only work BE or LE due to poor coding. |
| 04:37.56 | rwhitby | Be aware that GentooSlug is not supported by the project - there are only one or two people that I know who are running it. |
| 04:38.22 | WeeJay | oh |
| 04:38.30 | WeeJay | :-\ yeah that would be a problem |
| 04:46.14 | WeeJay | rwhitby: any preference as far as LE or BE. From what I read, the chipset can do both. |
| 04:46.35 | rwhitby | chipset can do both. unless you have a reason to run LE, then run BE. |
| 04:46.45 | WeeJay | Thanks. |
| 04:48.00 | WeeJay | it seems this has been sitting in beta stage since june. Is the final version going to be release soon? |
| 04:48.09 | rwhitby | yes, it's in final alpha testing right now |
| 04:48.36 | rwhitby | SlugOS 3.x is stable, SlugOS 4.x is about to be released. |
| 04:48.59 | rwhitby | we also wait for a number of people to build the release from source and report success before we issue a beta binary |
| 04:49.12 | WeeJay | oh. in that case should I wait or just go forward with 3? I don't think ill be coming across a 4 day weekend anytime soon :-\ |
| 04:49.34 | rwhitby | I can provide you with a 4.7 image for testing. |
| 04:49.53 | WeeJay | Im game. Might as well help you test it. |
| 04:50.13 | rwhitby | In fact, if you wait an hour I'm just about to build a release candidate. |
| 04:50.19 | rwhitby | (4.8) |
| 04:50.30 | WeeJay | :-D I can wait. Ill back up my bind stuff in the mean time |
| 04:50.57 | WeeJay | is there a svn tree I can check out to read up on changes? |
| 04:51.05 | rwhitby | monotone database |
| 04:51.12 | rwhitby | Look in the wiki for MasterMakefile |
| 04:51.34 | rwhitby | you can build a release candidate image yourself if you've got a linux box, 10GB of disk, and some time ... |
| 04:51.59 | WeeJay | got all that. |
| 04:52.22 | rwhitby | what host OS are you running? |
| 04:52.50 | WeeJay | I have access to gentoo, centos 4.x, 5.x and ubuntu |
| 04:53.17 | rwhitby | build it on the ubuntu box. |
| 04:53.27 | rwhitby | mkdir /home/slug (or somewhere else) |
| 04:53.30 | rwhitby | cd /home/slug |
| 04:53.39 | rwhitby | wget http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile |
| 04:53.47 | rwhitby | make setup-host-ubuntu ; make slugosbe |
| 04:54.12 | rwhitby | (then watch your disk and network connection be busy for a significant number of hours) |
| 04:56.03 | WeeJay | can I customize the image with packages I will be interested in the base install? and remove some sutff like dnsmasq? |
| 04:56.25 | rwhitby | sure, but it's just as easy to do it after the first boot |
| 04:56.56 | rwhitby | (you "turnup" to disk, and make serious changes there, knowing that if you stuff anything up you can just unplug the disk and reboot to the initial known-good rootfs in flash) |
| 04:57.15 | WeeJay | ah! |
| 04:57.35 | WeeJay | similar to the idea of ipkg-opt...where everything was getting installed into /opt |
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| 05:11.27 | WeeJa1 | sorry lappy crashed. |
| 05:14.11 | rwhitby | WeeJa1: you should run bip or dircproxy on the nslu2 too ... |
| 05:14.30 | WeeJa1 | not familiar with either. what do they do? |
| 05:14.45 | rwhitby | irc proxy - no-one sees that your laptop crashes |
| 05:23.59 | WeeJa1 | http://pastebin.com/d48ce5b66 |
| 05:24.05 | WeeJa1 | did work for me.. |
| 05:24.15 | WeeJa1 | ill just wait for you to get done and use it |
| 05:24.22 | WeeJa1 | s/did/didn't |
| 05:24.42 | rwhitby | WeeJa1: what version of mtn are you running? |
| 05:25.07 | WeeJa1 | I have never used monotone before. |
| 05:25.21 | rwhitby | mtn --version |
| 05:25.28 | WeeJa1 | monotone 0.35 (base revision: f92dd754bf5c1e6eddc9c462b8d68691cfeb7f8b) |
| 05:25.55 | rwhitby | Get the appropriate OE.mtn.bz2 file from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ and unzip it to monotone/nslu2-linux.mtn |
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| 05:30.22 | rwhitby | WeeJa1: working now? |
| 05:35.39 | WeeJa1 | negative. I have the following in /home/user/Desktop/slug/monotone |
| 05:35.45 | WeeJa1 | nslu2-linux.mtn OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.35.mtn |
| 05:37.18 | rwhitby | rename the latter to overwrite the former |
| 05:37.35 | rwhitby | (i.e. OE.. becomes the new contents of nslu2...) |
| 05:38.15 | WeeJa1 | yeah its compiling now |
| 05:38.33 | WeeJa1 | thanks. That was a bit of black magic for me..but im sure if I read up on monotone it might make sense |
| 05:38.38 | rwhitby | let me know if setup-host-ubuntu doesn |
| 05:38.46 | rwhitby | 't have all the packages required |
| 05:38.54 | WeeJa1 | will do. |
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| 05:57.47 | WeeJa1 | so far so good |
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| 10:04.56 | rwhitby | WeeJa1: still around? |
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| 13:18.24 | CIA-20 | 03rwhitby 07slugos-4.8-beta * r437 10slugos/ (17338 files in 4008 dirs): Import of SlugOS 4.8 release candidate |
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| 13:46.26 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r438 10slugos/bitbake/lib/bb/ (29 files in 4 dirs): Removed generated files |
| 13:47.57 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r439 10slugos/ (LICENSE openembedded/conf/distro/include/slugos.inc): Added LICENSE |
| 13:50.11 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r440 10slugos/Makefile: Removed superfluous targets |
| 13:50.57 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r441 10slugos/conf/auto.conf: Added auto.conf |
| 13:57.02 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r442 10slugos/Makefile: Added convenience targets |
| 14:15.13 | CIA-20 | 03slug 07slugos-4.8-beta * r443 10slugos/conf/site.conf: Put the builds in separate directories, so we can separate the feeds |
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| 14:15.53 | rwhitby | ok, let's see the autobuilder chew on that overnight ... |
| 14:16.07 | rwhitby | merry christmas all! |
| 14:21.08 | osas | rwhitby: Merry Christmas! |
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| 17:26.48 | WeeJa1 | rwhitby: you there? |
| 17:27.25 | ka6sox-laptop | Fast Asleep no doubt. |
| 17:28.01 | WeeJa1 | ka6sox-laptop: :-) yeah ...judging from his last message |
| 17:32.42 | WeeJa1 | darn...i wish he would have mentioned to me that I had to download the microcode manually....i could have placed it in downloads and finished the build. |
| 17:32.50 | WeeJa1 | now I have to start all over again :-\ |
| 17:34.50 | ka6sox-laptop | what build are you doing? |
| 17:36.39 | WeeJa1 | 4.8... |
| 17:40.21 | WeeJa1 | do you know if I should download the crypto or non-crypto version? |
| 17:44.29 | ka6sox-laptop | are you planning on using the crypto features? |
| 18:00.21 | WeeJa1 | well too late...i gave up on getting the cryptop version and went with non-crypto |
| 18:00.25 | WeeJa1 | its compiling now |
| 18:00.37 | WeeJa1 | I would have liked to have crypto |
| 18:08.38 | ka6sox-laptop | I think the difference is the crypto modules for the kernel |
| 18:09.04 | WeeJa1 | ah. I doubt ill need to cypt any fs. |
| 18:09.27 | ka6sox-laptop | okay..then you should be good. |
| 18:09.50 | WeeJa1 | yeah its compiling but the trick on the wiki about removing the ipx files to continue build from where it left of didn't work |
| 18:10.01 | WeeJa1 | looks like its compiling the kernel now :-\ |
| 18:11.11 | ka6sox-laptop | what wikipage are you using to build the image? |
| 18:12.51 | WeeJa1 | damn I closed to browser to conserve resources .....:-D |
| 18:13.03 | WeeJa1 | this lappy is getting taxed heavy |
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| 18:13.54 | deam | anyone knows how to get in touch with flipflip or has ever seen him here ? |
| 18:14.31 | ka6sox-laptop | WeeJa1, I know the feeling about having to get things down so you can build. |
| 18:16.56 | WeeJa1 | well honestly I thought I had put my compiling days behind...i was a very heavy gentoo user....i had some very beefy machines..but then with school..work...wife...forget it. not more time. |
| 18:19.36 | ka6sox-laptop | WeeJa1, I hear ya. |
| 18:19.52 | ka6sox-laptop | we appreciate your building/testing this new release. |
| 18:21.12 | deam | wifes... who invented them :< |
| 18:21.36 | ka6sox-laptop | deam, life would be much more boring without them. |
| 18:21.42 | deam | I second that |
| 18:27.07 | deam | anyone here knows about the checksum.syno file ? |
| 18:27.14 | deam | or do I really need flipflip for that |
| 18:29.21 | ka6sox-laptop | deam: dunno |
| 18:29.57 | deam | http://oinkzwurgl.org/diskstation |
| 18:30.29 | deam | he describes the checksum.syno file here and that he still has some loose ends.. but it seems that in his recent patches he has solved this... so I wonder how he figured out those last 2 numbers (a,b) |
| 18:30.51 | ka6sox-laptop | ah... |
| 18:31.37 | ka6sox-laptop | is that part of optware or the base DS packages? |
| 18:32.35 | deam | not really I think only for flipflip's SSODS (Slim Server on DiskStation) but yet he has discussed it here several times (noticed that on IRC logs, google) |
| 18:35.28 | ka6sox-laptop | I've hear of Slimserver |
| 18:35.43 | ka6sox-laptop | for this you will need to talk to him directly |
| 18:35.51 | ka6sox-laptop | we just provide the optware packages. |
| 18:36.15 | deam | thought so.. well could give it a try hehe |
| 18:37.43 | deam | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/40600205.html |
| 18:37.47 | deam | that's pathetic :P |
| 18:38.33 | ka6sox-laptop | yep...bbiaw |
| 18:42.15 | ka6sox-laptop | -+ |
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| 18:53.42 | ka6sox-laptop | WeeJa1, how is it going? |
| 18:56.10 | WeeJa1 | still going....compiling away :-) |
| 18:56.21 | ka6sox-laptop | Good |
| 18:56.36 | ka6sox-laptop | at least its still going. |
| 18:56.48 | deam | what you guys compiling ? |
| 18:56.59 | WeeJa1 | 4.8 |
| 18:57.00 | WeeJa1 | beta |
| 19:08.52 | ka6sox-laptop | of slugOS |
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| 21:26.03 | WeeJa1 | holly crap..this is still compiling. maybe I need to power on my dual proc downstairs.....its been going for over 3 hrs now |
| 21:28.53 | ka6sox-laptop | what proc is in your lappy? |
| 21:43.51 | WeeJa1 | its a 2.2 Ghz with 2 G ram |
| 21:50.00 | mwester | We've picked up a boat-load of generally-unnecessary things to build from OE lately. EG, it builds its own version of "git", "expat", "flex", "bison", and many others. You can set "ASSUME_PROVIDED" in the local.conf file to have it skip the ones you know you safely can skip. |
| 21:55.28 | ka6sox-laptop | cool |
| 21:59.33 | mwester | git-native still fails to build. |
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| 22:16.31 | WeeJa1 | does that include gcc? Because I noticed that it was compiling gcc from scratch |
| 22:16.47 | WeeJa1 | or does it need a special ARM compatible version of gcc? |
| 22:18.13 | mwester | It needs a gcc cross-compiler (along with appropriate other parts of the toolchain). I've tried other versions of the cross-compiler, and it's generally best to let it build the compiler and toolchain. |
| 22:20.29 | mwester | There is work underway in OE to create a packagable external toolchain; I think that at some time it might make sense to allow SlugOS builds to use that toolchain. That would significantly reduce build times. But that's a future... |
| 22:24.40 | rwhitby | yeah, git-native fails here too |
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| 22:57.22 | WeeJa1 | I just noticed that it is building all the locales as well. That might be adding to the build time |
| 23:37.38 | eno | rwhitby: i *am* on vacation - when i can do things i like to do, or nothing at all :-) |
| 23:37.57 | eno | merry Christmas and happy new year every1! |
| 23:42.11 | rwhitby | merry christmas eno |
| 23:46.56 | eno | will test slugos 4.8 when i'm back, lots of great work going on lately |
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