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| 07:16.59 | pluesch0r | morning! i'm running openslug on my nslu2. unfortunately, my scanner is not supported by the stock saned package - so i need to build a new one. do you guys have a howto or something on building a more recent version of an already existing package? |
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| 07:18.25 | pluesch0r | .. or is this rather an end-user question? |
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| 07:33.05 | NAiL | pluesch0r: well, someone might be tempted up update saned |
| 07:33.27 | NAiL | IIRC, the last time saned was updated was when I tried getting my scanner working with the nslu2 |
| 07:33.52 | NAiL | I can look at upgrading saned later today, bit hung over right now |
| 07:44.14 | pluesch0r | NAiL: that would be awesome. |
| 07:44.30 | pluesch0r | as the debian saned supports it, but produces unusable pictures. :) |
| 07:58.54 | rwhitby-n800 | morning |
| 08:03.57 | xkr47 | hello |
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| 11:21.44 | pluesch0r | NAiL: if i can do anything to help, please tell me. |
| 12:06.45 | NAiL | pluesch0r: cure a bad hangover? ;) |
| 12:11.00 | pluesch0r | NAiL: hangover on alcohol? |
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| 12:13.35 | pluesch0r | NAiL: drink lots of water with a bit of salt. just enough so you don't really taste it. |
| 12:13.48 | pluesch0r | NAiL: and fruit! lots of fruit! |
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| 15:19.31 | osas | eno__: ping |
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| 15:32.45 | pluesch0r | NAiL: not meaning to get on your nerves .. but please let me know it when you get around to create a new package of saned. |
| 15:58.49 | xkr47 | bwaha, now I finally ordered my nslu2 |
| 15:59.14 | xkr47 | 2 seconds later I got an email that my nslu2 is now ready for pickup in the store 700 metres from here \o/ |
| 16:04.49 | NAiL | pluesch0r: I'll hopefully get around to it in a few hours |
| 16:04.54 | NAiL | bit slow today |
| 16:07.48 | NAiL | pluesch0r: btw, what distribution are you running? |
| 16:13.13 | pluesch0r | NAiL: openslug |
| 16:21.25 | xkr47 | hmm, is nslu2 BE or LE ? |
| 16:23.20 | xkr47 | or both ?-) |
| 16:25.36 | NAiL | both |
| 16:25.45 | xkr47 | heh |
| 16:27.59 | xkr47 | NAiL, any opinion on what distribution to put on my nslu2? I've been using gentoo for 3-4 years.. |
| 16:28.05 | xkr47 | I might want to compile some custom kernel modules occasionally, or maybe even do some patching of the kernel |
| 16:28.28 | xkr47 | and I fancy being able to check out source code of software from time to time |
| 16:28.49 | xkr47 | but I don't feel I absolutely need to be able to compile all packages from source |
| 16:32.19 | xkr47 | can you run emacs on nslu2 ?----D |
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| 19:45.40 | xkr47 | the cute little thing replies to my pings ^^ |
| 19:46.37 | NAiL | haha |
| 19:49.05 | xkr47 | now if my dmz wasn't so strict on letting it in :) |
| 19:51.27 | xkr47 | nice, I can browse files directly after opening the web page :) |
| 20:17.30 | xkr47 | it seems to have V2.3R24 firmware |
| 20:19.41 | NAiL | what's the production date of your slug? |
| 20:21.07 | xkr47 | hmm, how do I find that out ? |
| 20:23.39 | xkr47 | oh, found the sticker.. 02/2007 |
| 20:24.17 | xkr47 | is that good or bad ?-) |
| 20:38.26 | NAiL | xkr47: might be good |
| 20:38.36 | NAiL | anyway it's not "bad" ;) |
| 20:38.44 | NAiL | do you have telnet access? |
| 20:38.50 | xkr47 | some forum suggested the models have been 266MHz since last summer |
| 20:39.00 | NAiL | yes |
| 20:39.55 | xkr47 | port 23 not responding |
| 20:41.18 | xkr47 | NAiL, saw my ponderings @ 18:27 your time ? |
| 20:42.32 | NAiL | well, it's really up to you ;) |
| 20:44.45 | NAiL | I think someone is running gentoo on their slugs |
| 20:44.47 | xkr47 | I don't have an usb harddrive so once concern with using portage which needs a lot of memory is that it might consume the usb flash stick a bit too fast |
| 20:44.53 | NAiL | but that's just gotta be slow ;) |
| 20:45.14 | xkr47 | I looked at the nslu2 gentoo page and it talked about distcc working but autoconf being slow |
| 20:45.32 | xkr47 | some friend thought I could have some qemu or similar environment on my pc doing all the compiling |
| 20:46.06 | xkr47 | have you tried cross-compiling ? |
| 20:46.59 | NAiL | we use openembedded for cross-compiling |
| 20:47.11 | xkr47 | oh nice, same as openmoko |
| 20:47.17 | NAiL | yes |
| 20:47.30 | xkr47 | so I guess that kindof makes the whole gentoo idea unnecessary |
| 20:48.16 | xkr47 | so what OS variant are you using ? |
| 20:54.44 | NAiL | Uh, my slug has been collecting dust for a while, but I was using openslug or slugos/le |
| 20:55.40 | NAiL | I'm working on a new distribution, called "foonas" |
| 20:56.47 | xkr47 | right you mentioned it earlier |
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| 21:00.15 | xkr47 | "A good heat dissipation enclosure choice is fundamental for no-power-off use" |
| 21:00.36 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.09 | NAiL | xkr47: I'm very interested to see what CPU speed you have |
| 21:09.18 | NAiL | could you crack open the case and read the numbers on the CPU? |
| 21:11.39 | xkr47 | sure! |
| 21:12.16 | xkr47 | if you'll bear with my tricky questions later when I see stuff inside :) |
| 21:15.26 | NAiL | pretty easy to open |
| 21:15.27 | xkr47 | ok it's open |
| 21:15.46 | NAiL | ok, look at the CPU and write down the stuff on it |
| 21:17.10 | xkr47 | will a digicam picture do ?-D |
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| 21:22.26 | xkr47 | NAiL, http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/dscf3718.jpg |
| 21:22.33 | xkr47 | sorry for the size :) |
| 21:23.32 | NAiL | thanks |
| 21:24.15 | xkr47 | took a pic of the back also |
| 21:24.50 | xkr47 | funnily enough, the "underclock resistor" seems to be in plac |
| 21:24.52 | xkr47 | e |
| 21:25.32 | NAiL | Well, telnet access would confirm what cpuspeed you have |
| 21:25.53 | NAiL | there are several ways to deunderclock the slug |
| 21:25.57 | NAiL | R83 and R64 |
| 21:26.06 | NAiL | as you might see, your slug is missing R64 |
| 21:26.12 | xkr47 | darnit these images are not searchable :D |
| 21:26.16 | xkr47 | yeah I see |
| 21:27.37 | xkr47 | the oscillators seem to be 30 and 25 MHz |
| 21:27.42 | NAiL | yeah |
| 21:27.45 | xkr47 | I think the wiki mentioned 33 to be the default ? |
| 21:27.49 | NAiL | there should be a 33.000mhz one too |
| 21:28.01 | NAiL | (which is a design flaw, it should've been 33.333Mhz) |
| 21:28.06 | xkr47 | yeah, on the other side |
| 21:29.26 | xkr47 | funny, one of the four serial port pins has a hole right through |
| 21:29.41 | xkr47 | would this suggest they test it in the factory using a serial port which they unsolder |
| 21:29.44 | xkr47 | or just poor soldering |
| 21:29.52 | xkr47 | I mean J2 |
| 21:30.25 | NAiL | looks like bad soldering |
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| 21:31.11 | NAiL | you should install the unslung firmware to begin with |
| 21:31.22 | dyoung | xkr47: is it still open? |
| 21:31.30 | xkr47 | yep |
| 21:31.34 | dyoung | Was wondering what the big intel chip says on it? |
| 21:31.45 | NAiL | dyoung: it doesn't say clockspeed |
| 21:31.50 | NAiL | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/dscf3718.jpg |
| 21:32.00 | NAiL | PRIXP420BB |
| 21:32.09 | NAiL | L6300226 |
| 21:32.24 | NAiL | Z630T042A |
| 21:32.27 | NAiL | 630 KOREA |
| 21:32.32 | xkr47 | typical numbers ? |
| 21:32.42 | xkr47 | wonder whose thumbprint is on the battery ;-) |
| 21:32.42 | NAiL | I think it's slightly different |
| 21:33.03 | xkr47 | are the EtronTech chips the ram chips ? |
| 21:33.08 | NAiL | yeah |
| 21:34.40 | NAiL | anyway, I'd like to confirm your CPUspeed |
| 21:34.44 | xkr47 | there's some numbers on the flipside.. "002V0" and below it 94V-0.. elsewhere with reverse digital numbers 0702.. |
| 21:34.48 | xkr47 | sure |
| 21:35.13 | NAiL | if you flash unslung, you'll have telnet access |
| 21:36.01 | xkr47 | is it easy & safe to swap firmware ? |
| 21:36.09 | NAiL | yeah |
| 21:36.20 | xkr47 | how many reflashes can you do |
| 21:36.21 | NAiL | not all firmwares of course, but unslung/stock is easy |
| 21:36.26 | dyoung | Safe! Easy! And Fun!~ |
| 21:36.49 | NAiL | how many? I think the write cycles is >100.000 |
| 21:36.58 | xkr47 | right :) |
| 21:37.05 | xkr47 | NOR flash maybe ? |
| 21:37.06 | NAiL | so you can safely reflash a couple of times ;) |
| 21:37.07 | NAiL | yes |
| 21:37.27 | xkr47 | or well maybe |
| 21:37.32 | xkr47 | it was quite easy to open |
| 21:37.37 | NAiL | indeed |
| 21:37.45 | NAiL | haha |
| 21:38.41 | xkr47 | or will that make people skip the text maybe.. |
| 21:39.47 | xkr47 | so, back together.. |
| 21:40.24 | NAiL | http://www.slug-firmware.net/u-dls.php |
| 21:40.44 | NAiL | np |
| 21:40.46 | xkr47 | 6.8 beta ? |
| 21:40.49 | NAiL | yeah |
| 21:41.39 | xkr47 | wget did not like the license check |
| 21:41.48 | xkr47 | I guess my browser will do the trick :) |
| 21:44.13 | xkr47 | my browser thought the binary looked just like a good old web page and took the challenge to render all 6 million characters beautifully on the screen :) |
| 21:44.39 | NAiL | wohoo... ;) |
| 21:46.09 | xkr47 | readme here I come.. |
| 21:49.31 | dyoung | Ok sorry was looking that up again. |
| 21:49.37 | dyoung | the BB stepping is 266Mhz. |
| 21:49.55 | xkr47 | well at least I don't mind :) |
| 21:50.27 | NAiL | dyoung: sure? |
| 21:50.44 | dyoung | page 52 of the IXP manual says so. |
| 21:50.57 | xkr47 | I thought I read B0 stepping elsewhere ? |
| 21:51.06 | NAiL | I thought we didn't figure out what the BB stepping was? |
| 21:51.12 | NAiL | or was that BL? |
| 21:51.13 | xkr47 | heh |
| 21:51.16 | dyoung | FWIXP420BB 266 |
| 21:51.20 | dyoung | BC is 400 |
| 21:51.23 | dyoung | BD is 533 |
| 21:51.54 | NAiL | yeah, but this one isn't FWIXP |
| 21:52.04 | NAiL | it's PRIXP |
| 21:52.07 | xkr47 | doh, so close :D |
| 21:52.20 | NAiL | xkr47: are you flashing yet? ;)' |
| 21:52.22 | xkr47 | oh, so there is chance |
| 21:52.23 | xkr47 | heh |
| 21:52.31 | xkr47 | I'm reading TelnetIntoRedBoot wiki page |
| 21:53.43 | xkr47 | noooo |
| 21:53.52 | xkr47 | :P |
| 21:53.56 | xkr47 | nn |
| 21:57.15 | xkr47 | doh! I missed the window! I had accidentally written telnet twice :D |
| 21:57.56 | xkr47 | RedBoot> |
| 21:57.58 | xkr47 | wee |
| 22:00.01 | xkr47 | the version dump matches exactly the stuff on the telnet page |
| 22:05.47 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 22:09.50 | xkr47 | the web interface shows my flash usb stick as "not installed" |
| 22:09.56 | xkr47 | so I can't format it :P |
| 22:13.30 | ByronT | you can but you have to use the linksys provided tool for it |
| 22:13.43 | xkr47 | windows ? |
| 22:13.50 | ByronT | but to flash, you don't want anything plugged in anyways |
| 22:14.01 | ByronT | yeah, it's a windows tool |
| 22:14.06 | xkr47 | :P |
| 22:14.40 | xkr47 | that's true, the readme says I only need it if I want to install packages |
| 22:17.00 | ByronT | right... but if you're a 'nix user, you could go to openslug |
| 22:17.47 | ByronT | the reason that unslung is "easy" is that you can flash with unslung, play with it via telnet, flash back to stock or to whatever, and no harm done |
| 22:18.20 | xkr47 | I can't flash back the stock if I flash openslug ? |
| 22:18.32 | ByronT | sure |
| 22:18.35 | xkr47 | I'm a unix user for 12+ years now :) |
| 22:18.52 | ByronT | but openslug requires you to do some work after the flashing |
| 22:19.36 | xkr47 | what os do you suggest ?-) |
| 22:19.59 | ByronT | to have an operational system... because unslung is keeping the basic framework of the stock firmware, unslung <-> stock can be done interchangably with no issue |
| 22:20.17 | ByronT | do you care if you have a http interface for the slug? |
| 22:20.36 | ByronT | if you don't, you can go full blown 'nix box with openslug, debianslug, etc. |
| 22:20.49 | xkr47 | I couldn't care less, and I figure I can fix flashing problems through redboot |
| 22:21.01 | ByronT | if you want the linksys interface plus package extendable then unslung |
| 22:21.26 | ByronT | right.... |
| 22:21.28 | xkr47 | my idea was simple; to create an alarm clock with mp3 playing and some lcd/led display showing the clock and some buttons to control it |
| 22:22.02 | ByronT | diff between openslug and unslung is in packages and keeping the linksys framework |
| 22:22.08 | xkr47 | if I dare solder on the 3 additional usb ports I could plug some nice things like temperature meters I have |
| 22:22.26 | ByronT | more packages for unslung, less for openslug,,, |
| 22:23.10 | ByronT | meaning unslung is dead easy to setup and use (and get back to stock)... openslug requires more time, has less pre-compiled packages but is more customizable |
| 22:23.16 | xkr47 | hmm.. the web page says 800+ for unslung and 3500+ for openslug? |
| 22:23.32 | xkr47 | (number of packages) |
| 22:23.39 | xkr47 | (the FirmwareMatrix page) |
| 22:23.49 | ByronT | oh... sorry... I swapped my more / less there |
| 22:23.53 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 22:24.24 | ByronT | np |
| 22:24.39 | xkr47 | so I'm looking at SlugOS/BE & /LE, GentooSlug and Debian |
| 22:24.57 | ByronT | I was just waiting around for that cat /procinfo.... |
| 22:25.48 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 22:26.17 | xkr47 | I btw enabled telnet via the stock firmware/os but the admin/admin account just throws me out and I didn't find the root pass (yet) |
| 22:26.37 | xkr47 | which in itself conflicts with the FirmwareMatrix statign "Telnet support: no" for the stock kernel |
| 22:26.41 | ByronT | with unslung, root p/w is by default uNSLUng |
| 22:26.49 | xkr47 | yeah.. but I don't have that :) |
| 22:27.10 | xkr47 | maybe nobody cared to crack the linksys password :) |
| 22:27.13 | ByronT | (that's why we were saying you could do the cat /procinfo.... quickly by flashing unslung) |
| 22:27.21 | ByronT | it's been cracked |
| 22:27.29 | xkr47 | sure I can flash unslung |
| 22:27.49 | xkr47 | if you stay with me a bit longer to help me choose between the four non-linksys-based options |
| 22:27.54 | ByronT | it's based on the MAC address |
| 22:28.02 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 22:28.20 | xkr47 | well I'll flash away so I don't need to fiddle |
| 22:28.48 | ByronT | :) |
| 22:28.58 | xkr47 | so I guess I just feed the firmware to the web interface.. or should I get the unix tool while I'm at it (it would have those nice progress bars if I got it right9 |
| 22:29.40 | ByronT | web interface is faster for that first time... but you'll need to get use to upslug or the sercomm tool |
| 22:29.47 | ByronT | or tftp with redboot, etc.... |
| 22:30.11 | xkr47 | I'll avoid redboot if I can, don't want to brick-by-typo |
| 22:30.34 | xkr47 | nice, gentoo has a package for upslug2 |
| 22:32.55 | xkr47 | hmmmmmm.. the upslug2 is marked "unstable" on my amd64 platform |
| 22:35.00 | xkr47 | hmm.. it says "upslug2" will list the nslu2 machines in "upgrade" mode.. but my nslu2 is in normal booted-up mode |
| 22:35.07 | xkr47 | and upslug2 still lists it.. |
| 22:35.26 | ByronT | what do the LEDs show? |
| 22:35.35 | xkr47 | ready + ethernet (both green) |
| 22:35.41 | ByronT | hmmm |
| 22:35.54 | ByronT | <- not an upslug user.... |
| 22:35.59 | xkr47 | what do you use :) |
| 22:36.13 | ByronT | usually the sercomm tool |
| 22:36.30 | ByronT | or tftp if I'm forced to use the wife's iMac |
| 22:36.36 | xkr47 | unfamiliar to me.. does sercomm use j2 ? |
| 22:36.50 | ByronT | it's a windows tool |
| 22:36.55 | xkr47 | ah :) |
| 22:37.06 | xkr47 | now nslu2-linux stopped responding :P |
| 22:37.22 | ByronT | you go into redboot, type upgrade and then use the sercomm tool to perform the upgrade |
| 22:37.34 | xkr47 | ok.. |
| 22:40.01 | xkr47 | whee, upgrade mode activated by reset button |
| 22:40.24 | ByronT | I never had enough patience to get that to work.... |
| 22:40.34 | xkr47 | does it use the 192.168.0.1 address in this mode? or does it use raw ethernet ? |
| 22:40.42 | ByronT | I serialized mine pretty quickly |
| 22:40.50 | ByronT | yeah, redboot home.... |
| 22:40.53 | xkr47 | [no NSLU2 machines found in upgrade mode] |
| 22:41.35 | ByronT | redboot home at 192.168.0.1 (unless you have serial access, which means that you can change the ip in redboot) |
| 22:41.53 | xkr47 | right thanks, I didn't get that "redboot home" |
| 22:42.03 | ByronT | :) |
| 22:42.53 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 22:42.59 | xkr47 | the ethernet light is not on, does that care |
| 22:43.05 | xkr47 | it still can't find the slug |
| 22:43.19 | ByronT | in redboot, only the power/status blinks |
| 22:43.22 | xkr47 | it does not respond to 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:43.33 | xkr47 | yeah it flashes red/green alternatingly now |
| 22:43.58 | ByronT | so, it's in upgrade mode.... waiting for upslug/sercomm/tftp |
| 22:44.03 | ByronT | at 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:44.04 | xkr47 | hmm my switch does not show link either |
| 22:44.12 | xkr47 | aaargh |
| 22:44.19 | xkr47 | the ethernet cable had half-unplugged :D |
| 22:44.27 | xkr47 | that's better :) |
| 22:45.05 | xkr47 | there goes upgrade |
| 22:45.28 | xkr47 | it's erasing the poor little thing |
| 22:46.25 | xkr47 | I see that three dots of 64 are reserved for redboot & sysconf |
| 22:46.53 | xkr47 | Rebooting... done |
| 22:49.28 | xkr47 | Version: V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta |
| 22:49.35 | ByronT | good deal |
| 22:50.27 | xkr47 | 6.3 megs free! |
| 22:51.03 | xkr47 | # cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:51.03 | xkr47 | Processor : XScale-IXP425/IXC1100 rev 1 (v5b) |
| 22:51.03 | xkr47 | BogoMIPS : 263.78 |
| 22:51.03 | xkr47 | Features : swp half thumb fastmult edsp |
| 22:51.03 | xkr47 | Hardware : Intel IXDP425 Development Platform |
| 22:51.05 | xkr47 | Revision : 0000 |
| 22:51.08 | xkr47 | Serial : 0000000000000000 |
| 22:51.13 | xkr47 | my serial!!! nooo!! |
| 22:53.07 | ByronT | that shows for everyone... |
| 22:53.49 | xkr47 | is the cpuinfo normal ?-) |
| 22:53.55 | ByronT | yep |
| 22:54.02 | ByronT | no overclocking needed for you |
| 22:54.08 | xkr47 | yeah.. 02/2007 device |
| 22:54.27 | ByronT | which means that the pastebin.ca we saw yesterday was most likely a hoax |
| 22:54.44 | xkr47 | I missed it. |
| 22:55.17 | *** join/#nslu2-linux pierrelux (n=pierre-l@144-125.sh.cgocable.ca) |
| 22:55.27 | ByronT | someone showed one with a 533.something bogomips |
| 22:55.35 | xkr47 | hehe |
| 22:55.42 | xkr47 | maybe they swapped the cpu ;-) |
| 22:55.44 | ByronT | saying that their's was manufactured in Jan 07 |
| 22:56.18 | ByronT | or they simply altered the text before posting at pastebin.... (easier |
| 22:56.26 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 22:57.13 | xkr47 | AwayNAiL, see cpuinfo above :) |
| 22:57.40 | xkr47 | wee now it detects my usb flash stick!! |
| 22:57.48 | xkr47 | way to go unslung |
| 22:59.03 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.52 | *** join/#nslu2-linux HopsNBarley (n=hops@nslu2-linux/HopsNBarley) |
| 23:00.11 | xkr47 | heh now it's running "sleep 4" |
| 23:00.41 | xl0 | xkr47: Got an ixp42x dev kit? |
| 23:00.59 | xkr47 | nothing yet.. I want to know everything :) |
| 23:01.06 | xkr47 | I'm running unslung 6.8 beta now |
| 23:02.00 | ByronT | heading out... later all |
| 23:02.10 | xkr47 | thx ByronT ! |
| 23:02.20 | xkr47 | xl0, so tell me |
| 23:05.41 | xl0 | I'm lost in thought, what "so tell me" should mean... |
| 23:08.50 | xkr47 | about the dev kit :) |
| 23:10.24 | xl0 | Yes, I understand, but I totally miss the meaning. |
| 23:10.48 | xkr47 | ok :P |
| 23:13.44 | xkr47 | strange.. when I go to the Disk page in the web, it first shows "Formatted (ext3)" but then switches to "Not installed" a few seconds later |
| 23:17.17 | xkr47 | firefox shows it properly |
| 23:18.58 | xkr47 | it seems to have created a 128M swap partition |
| 23:23.51 | xkr47 | now the readme wants me to register to yahoo :O |
| 23:29.00 | xkr47 | heck, you helped me unslung my nslu2, I can do this :) |
| 23:35.08 | caplink811-log | xkr47, what is the size of your stick? |
| 23:35.13 | xkr47 | 2G |
| 23:36.08 | caplink811-log | native formated with the nslu? |
| 23:37.22 | xkr47 | yes |
| 23:37.25 | xkr47 | from gui |
| 23:38.07 | xkr47 | I recall the debian installer talked about the swap size |
| 23:39.39 | xkr47 | ok now I'm a member :) |
