| 00:01.11 | xl0 | Funny, just as we spoke, (and I spoke to Lennert an hour ago), some guy posted some updated patches. |
| 00:01.49 | rwhitby | xl0: on l-a-k? |
| 00:01.50 | NAiL | xl0: got a link? |
| 00:02.04 | xl0 | l-a-k |
| 00:02.18 | xl0 | Only the [PATCH 0/3] came yet. |
| 00:02.51 | xl0 | But I still can't believe how precise the timing was. |
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| 00:03.22 | xkr47 | last minute save :) |
| 00:04.21 | NAiL | heh |
| 00:05.08 | NAiL | mind forwarding the relevant mails to nail at nslu2-linux org? |
| 00:05.10 | xl0 | NAiL: netdev@vget.kernel.org also got the message. |
| 00:05.29 | xl0 | *netdev@vger.kernel.org |
| 00:05.42 | NAiL | nite all |
| 00:05.56 | rwhitby | ah, good that netdev is involved now |
| 00:07.00 | xkr47 | nite AwayNAiL |
| 00:07.53 | xl0 | It is a bit strange that Christian is not in the CC list. |
| 00:08.56 | xl0 | And the mail also says that this is not the original Christian's driver with fixes, but a rewrite from scratch. |
| 00:09.24 | xl0 | (but you night already have read this, http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/) |
| 00:14.22 | rwhitby | interesting - looks like this Krysztof guy is forking the open source driver |
| 00:17.48 | rwhitby | He has patches in the kernel already, and is the kernel maintainer for "GENERIC HDLC DRIVER, N2, C101, PCI200SYN and WANXL DRIVERS |
| 00:17.48 | rwhitby | " |
| 00:18.03 | rwhitby | So that looks very promising. |
| 00:18.18 | rwhitby | we need to test those patches in SlugOS ASAP. |
| 00:20.42 | xl0 | rwhitby: Have you glanced at the patches yet? Is this a fork, or really a rewrite? I see he adds some HSS stuff which was not in the Christian's driver, but what about the other parts? |
| 00:21.02 | rwhitby | dunno yet. I'm sending him an email. |
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| 00:31.57 | rwhitby | haven't seen the three patch emails yet. |
| 00:38.31 | rwhitby | ok, I see the patches now |
| 01:09.17 | xl0 | Backported them to our internal 2.6.20+patches branch, now building. |
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| 21:24.16 | xkr47 | nice commit ;) |
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| 21:40.17 | xl0 | Yahoo-groups suck. |
| 21:46.12 | NAiL | very much so |
| 21:50.30 | xl0 | If I'm not the only one here, why can't we move the ml somewhere else? Or set up our own. |
| 21:50.48 | NAiL | I have suggested it earlier |
| 21:50.52 | NAiL | and I think it's a good idea |
| 21:51.30 | NAiL | ka6sox: ping? What was the reason we didn't set up a mailinglist on nslu2-linux instead of yahoo? |
| 21:51.33 | ka6sox | x10...its a nightmate to manage |
| 21:51.36 | NAiL | aha |
| 21:51.59 | xl0 | Doe google too require registration to participate in google groups? |
| 21:52.25 | ka6sox | probably not... |
| 21:52.30 | ka6sox | might be a better choice. |
| 21:52.40 | ka6sox | but the history might be lost. |
| 21:52.40 | NAiL | ka6sox: what kind of maintenance? Isn't most of the work the setup? |
| 21:52.49 | xl0 | ka6sox: Would you look at it, or should I? |
| 21:53.38 | ka6sox | x10 let me. |
| 21:53.40 | xl0 | ka6sox: there is a history at gmane.org. Actually a much better interface to the ml, than the yahoo groups. |
| 21:55.12 | ka6sox | 3 easy steps to creating a google group. |
| 21:55.33 | ka6sox | but before I just do that I need to talk to some people. |
| 21:56.29 | xl0 | ka6sox: First make sure one can subscribe to google groups without a gmail account. |
| 21:56.39 | ka6sox | I'm sure that you can. |
| 22:10.10 | ka6sox | anyboedy seen a model 200 out in the wild? |
| 22:10.31 | NAiL | model 200? |
| 22:11.55 | ka6sox | linksys 200 |
| 22:13.13 | mwester | Nope. I'm waiting eagerly. |
| 22:14.02 | ka6sox | anybody heard what Proc it is? |
| 22:14.12 | CoreDump|home | re |
| 22:17.37 | xl0 | ka6sox: Seems like you actually need to have a google accout to subscribe to a group, but you can read the group archive without it. |
| 22:18.14 | ka6sox | that won't work then. |
| 22:18.35 | ka6sox | I'm not going to try to administer Mailman. |
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| 22:32.06 | xl0 | ka6sox: Did you try? Maybe it is not that hard after all. There are lots of projects smaller than nslu2-linux with their own mailing lists. |
| 22:33.01 | ka6sox | you have said the magic words..."smaller" |
| 22:33.36 | ka6sox | I gave up running a mail server because of all the SPAMMERS I had to deal with. |
| 22:33.43 | xl0 | And of course lots of much bigger projects. ;) |
| 22:33.48 | ka6sox | and being on a blacklist every other week. |
| 22:34.54 | xl0 | ka6sox: The problem with spammers goes away if only the subscribed users may post. |
| 22:35.23 | ka6sox | managing those isn't always easy...I just got spammed on Skype yesterday...I had to shut my account. |
| 22:39.34 | ka6sox | joshin : ping? |
| 22:40.25 | xl0 | ka6sox: Maybe you could adk the vger.kernel.org admins for a new list? Ot stick to some other project. |
| 22:41.12 | ka6sox | are you volunteering to administer the list? |
| 22:43.33 | xl0 | What are the tasks? With a subscribers-post-only list, this should not be a hard task, if you flush the moderation queue to /dev/null. |
| 22:44.19 | ka6sox | we actually have to approve messages (and we do) |
| 22:44.32 | ka6sox | some look like spam but are not) |
| 22:44.47 | ka6sox | flushing the moderation queue isn't an option. |
| 22:46.37 | xl0 | Why not, if you notify people that they have to subscribe to post, why shoudl they post valid messages without subscribing? In the jahoo groups case, they have to register, even to read the messages. |
| 22:47.00 | xl0 | *yahoo. |
| 22:47.13 | ka6sox | because there are paid professional people who's job it is to subscribe to MLs |
| 22:47.21 | NAiL | spambots have no problems subscribing either |
| 22:48.02 | ka6sox | since there isn't any heuristic thing with a ML (that is subscribed to without a webpage interface) |
| 22:54.23 | xl0 | But how do the others manage their mls without yahoo's help? I've never seen much spam in any subscribers-only ml, and it's impossible that all the messages come through some guy before landing on the list. |
| 22:55.34 | ka6sox | I see spam on the Debian MLs that I subscribe to. |
| 22:56.07 | ka6sox | the reason they are relatively clean is that admins scour the ML all the time and kill spam and ban users. |
| 22:56.08 | xl0 | I believe Debian lists accept mail from non-subscribers. |
| 22:56.18 | ka6sox | it takes a LOT of work to manage one. |
| 22:56.34 | ka6sox | we currently have 8238 people subscribed to the ML. |
| 22:56.57 | ka6sox | I just approved 3 messages that were pending. |
| 23:00.37 | ka6sox | we average about 500 messages a month (which isn't too bad) but that represents over 40k messages a month. |
| 23:01.04 | ka6sox | thats 500 posts a month with 40k emails. |
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| 23:11.35 | xl0 | ka6sox: Ok, let's look at a project with comparable traffic, say mplayer. Just checked, mplayer-users got 600 messages in April, and i see not a single spam message, so maybe the professional-list-subscribing-people and spam-bots are not really such a big problem for a subscribers-only list, because I'm sure they don't check every message manually, they could not have the resources. |
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