| 00:15.23 | hillct | wasn't there a wiki page about how to safely switch from dropbear to openssh? I can't find it |
| 00:19.02 | rwhitby | there's a howto I believe |
| 00:19.54 | rwhitby | hillct: /etc/uuid_by_partition |
| 00:20.51 | hillct | ah |
| 00:20.51 | hillct | partition file. cool |
| 00:21.11 | hillct | there is a howto about switching to openssh but it's absolutely inaccurate |
| 00:21.14 | rwhitby | and the turnup script uses that. I'm not sure any of this was in 3.10, but it's definitely in head. |
| 00:21.16 | hillct | for slugos anyway |
| 00:22.44 | hillct | the uuid map file (by default) contains the fields, | device uuid | |
| 00:22.58 | hillct | is the mount point the third field? |
| 00:23.02 | hillct | space separated? |
| 00:43.51 | hillct | is there any way to install openssh-sshd and uninstall dropbear in the same ipkg command? |
| 00:44.03 | hillct | how's this supposed to be done |
| 00:44.26 | bofh | nohup ipkg remove dropbear && nohup ipkg install openssh-sshd? Might work. |
| 00:44.29 | hillct | the only Wiki page I found on this applied to Unslung and didn't address te package conflict at all |
| 00:44.32 | bofh | Could use cron. |
| 00:44.44 | hillct | ah |
| 00:44.51 | hillct | I like the nohup solution |
| 00:45.09 | hillct | but I could have sworn there was a wiki page that covered this |
| 00:45.20 | rwhitby | hillct: are you following this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SwapFromDropbearToOpenSSH ? |
| 00:45.43 | bofh | Out of curiosity, why do you want to swap from dropbear to openssh? |
| 00:46.01 | rwhitby | bofh: don't get me started :-) |
| 00:46.03 | hillct | for sftp |
| 00:46.12 | hillct | at least in my case |
| 00:46.21 | bofh | iirc, dropbear does have sftp support |
| 00:46.24 | bofh | rwhitby: why not? |
| 00:46.28 | hillct | strangely, that wiki page didn't come up when I searched for openssh |
| 00:47.13 | hillct | bofh: not when I tried it. Does it require different args to get sftp going? |
| 00:47.23 | rwhitby | bofh: actually dropbear latest version is pretty good. |
| 00:47.43 | bofh | hillct: let me try, haven't actually done it. |
| 00:47.49 | rwhitby | but as far as I know it still doesn't do agent forwarding properly |
| 00:47.56 | bofh | rwhitby: I'm using an ancient one that still has a security hole in it. |
| 00:48.08 | rwhitby | (which is one of the *key* principles of ssh as far as I am concerned) |
| 00:48.18 | bofh | ...Agent forwarding is key? |
| 00:48.21 | bofh | I've *never* used it. |
| 00:48.23 | rwhitby | yup |
| 00:48.33 | hillct | agent forwarding is handy |
| 00:48.40 | hillct | not key for me but handy |
| 00:48.47 | rwhitby | bofh: do you use passwords or ssh keys everywhere? |
| 00:49.02 | mwester | Agent forwarding has saved my life, my career, and my sanity. |
| 00:49.05 | bofh | rwhitby: ssh keys with passphrase, typically. |
| 00:49.06 | rwhitby | Rod's rules of ssh: |
| 00:49.10 | rwhitby | 1) Never use passwords |
| 00:49.18 | bofh | But really. I have a good memory. Might as well use it. |
| 00:49.24 | mwester | (ok, maybe not my life, and possibly not my career, but certainly my sanity) |
| 00:49.48 | rwhitby | 2) Never store your private key on a computer for which you do not have direct physical contact with. |
| 00:49.51 | bofh | 1) passwords are bad because they can be bruteforced, especially if weak |
| 00:50.10 | rwhitby | 3) Always use agent forwarding to step from one computer to the next. |
| 00:50.13 | bofh | 2) Keys with null passphrase are bad because if someone vacuums up your key he can get in easily |
| 00:50.31 | bofh | Why not just retype your passphrase and copy your pubkey to step from one box to the next? |
| 00:50.35 | bofh | Easy enough. |
| 00:50.52 | rwhitby | bofh: huh? where is your private key stored in that scenario? |
| 00:51.07 | bofh | Ahh. Now I see. |
| 00:51.22 | bofh | I haven't run into a daisy-chain scenario like that yet. |
| 00:51.30 | rwhitby | agent forwarding allows you to keep your private key on *one* machine that you are holding in your hot little hands, and never copy your private key *anywhere* else. |
| 00:51.33 | bofh | All my boxen are on my LAN, which is (rather) secure. |
| 00:52.00 | bofh | Yeah, but how many times do you typically have to ssh-daisy-chain, rwhitby? |
| 00:52.03 | mwester | And don't forget that port forwarding can be used to ssh *through* overly-restrictive firewalls that only allow http to the outside... |
| 00:52.09 | rwhitby | (and passphrase protection of that private key in that one place is an excellent security measure too) |
| 00:52.13 | NAiL | rwhitby: false sense of security. If you're afraid of a box with your key on it being rooted, it can also be made to capture your key when you use ssh-agent. |
| 00:52.29 | rwhitby | bofh: *every* day, many times. |
| 00:52.32 | bofh | rwhitby: oh? |
| 00:53.07 | rwhitby | bofh: yep, every computer that I touch has passwords turned off, and no telnet access (ssh only). |
| 00:53.57 | mwester | I befriended the Sys Admin at my last employer and got an SSH account -- I had one or more ssh-forwarded sessions open almost every day for two years. (The VPN was just *AWFUL* and that was the only way I could get my job done on customer sites) |
| 00:53.59 | rwhitby | and due to multiple levels of secure firewalls at various work locations and open source projects that i am involved with, means lots of daisy-chaining. |
| 00:54.48 | rwhitby | mwester: yeah, ssh port-forwarding is also great for things like getting to the web interface of a router that's inside a secure LAN on the other side of the world. |
| 00:56.45 | rwhitby | bofh: there also used to be a significant performance differential between dropbear and openssh - dunno if that is still the case. |
| 00:56.49 | bofh | mwester: pretty much impossible. |
| 00:57.01 | bofh | rwhitby: yeah, but dropbear is typically used for embedded systems |
| 00:57.05 | bofh | ...Like a slug. |
| 00:57.06 | rwhitby | (openssh was much faster on scp than dropbear) |
| 00:57.20 | mwester | I know - better people than I have looked at it and said it won't fit. |
| 00:57.23 | rwhitby | bofh: right, but we still got a 2x speedup on scp by going to openssh |
| 00:57.25 | bofh | I don't know why you'd daisy-chain through a slug. |
| 00:57.41 | rwhitby | bofh: one reason would be if your slug was the ssh gateway into your secure lan |
| 00:57.51 | rwhitby | (behind the router) |
| 00:57.55 | hillct | I see the packages have been broken up to -sshd -sftp -ssh etc |
| 00:58.04 | bofh | rwhitby: er... why? |
| 00:58.15 | mwester | :) Because my slug is my ssh and openvpn and every other network server behind my firewall -- if every other system is down, it still works. |
| 00:58.19 | hillct | duno how much that changes the size |
| 00:58.21 | rwhitby | cause the router couldn't run openssh, and therefore couldn't do agent forwarding. |
| 00:58.32 | mwester | Slugs stay running a *LONG* time when they're on a 350VA UPS. |
| 00:58.40 | rwhitby | mwester: yeah, that too. |
| 00:58.43 | bofh | yeah, about 2 hours, mwester |
| 00:58.47 | bofh | Still not enough :( |
| 00:59.00 | bofh | [1-day power outage reset my 400-day uptime] |
| 01:00.04 | NAiL | 2 hours? |
| 01:00.16 | mwester | I think that's wrong, too... |
| 01:00.39 | mwester | 5v @ 2A max = 10 Whrs |
| 01:03.20 | rwhitby | bofh: mwester runs it without disk I believe. |
| 01:03.53 | rwhitby | mwester: I'm about to change the name of the unslung kernel in tmp/deploy/images from zImage-unslung to zImage-nslu2be, so that we can use the generic nslu2_pack_image instead of an unslung-specific one. |
| 01:04.13 | mwester | Ok. |
| 01:04.16 | bofh | rwhitby: mine runs off flash, but the same UPS also powers a router and cablemodem. |
| 01:04.16 | rwhitby | (the name change should have no effect outside of that) |
| 01:04.45 | bofh | Which suck about as much as the slug |
| 01:04.53 | bofh | The router a bit more, the modem a bit less. |
| 01:06.29 | mwester | bofh: yes, flash as well, and a Linksys router. I haven't calculated my router. It easily lasts for the outages I tend to get here (there are two kinds, <1 minute and approx 20 minutes) |
| 01:06.51 | rwhitby | mwester: nslu2_pack_image will then be a property of the nslu2 machine.conf, instead of distro or image specific |
| 01:06.54 | bofh | Mine are of 2 kinds: |
| 01:07.34 | bofh | <1 minute |
| 01:07.34 | bofh | And 2 days. |
| 01:07.34 | bofh | [the latter occur when we get hit by freezing rain and half the city's powerlines come crashing down] |
| 01:07.42 | rwhitby | I think the latter situation is normally outside the scope of a 350VA UPS solution ... |
| 01:08.14 | mwester | 2 days would be a different type of event altogether. In the winter, water pipes would freeze, etc -- I'm no longer too concerned about my slug then :D |
| 01:08.37 | bofh | mwester: welcome to Windsor, Canada. We get this every other February. |
| 01:10.50 | mwester | Windsor, huh -- I've spent way too much of my recent life just across the border from there on customer projects. Things get messy in Chicago too. |
| 01:11.55 | bofh | Ahh, in Detroit? |
| 01:12.19 | mwester | Troy actually |
| 01:12.42 | mwester | The bigwigs are in the tower in Detroit, the work all happens out in the suburbs |
| 01:12.47 | bofh | Close enough. |
| 01:12.57 | bofh | It's all Michigan. Been there a few times, hated it. |
| 01:13.16 | mwester | Not too different from SW Ontario. I've lived in both places... |
| 01:15.05 | bofh | mwester: there's a reason I'm trying to get out of SW Ontario asap :P |
| 01:16.21 | mwester | I'd love to try a few years in Australia, myself. |
| 01:17.08 | bofh | Ideally, I'd like to go back to Eastern Europe. |
| 01:17.21 | NAiL | Come to Norway ;) |
| 01:17.34 | NAiL | enjoy the warm weather :P |
| 01:18.08 | NAiL | yay |
| 01:18.19 | bofh | NAiL: I've actually thought a lot about Finland, but close enough :P |
| 01:18.26 | bofh | <3 cold weather |
| 01:18.31 | NAiL | *finally* |
| 01:18.34 | bofh | Why USB? |
| 01:18.40 | bofh | Those things are evil. |
| 01:18.46 | NAiL | Because I want to attach it to one of my NAS devices |
| 01:19.06 | bofh | Just use ethernet. |
| 01:19.30 | NAiL | If I could change the router to a bridge, I would |
| 01:19.32 | NAiL | but I can't |
| 01:19.52 | NAiL | Part of the point is that I want full control of the router |
| 01:20.07 | mwester | You've been looking for one of those for months! |
| 01:20.12 | NAiL | yes :-D |
| 01:20.21 | mwester | mfgr? |
| 01:20.37 | NAiL | Allied Telesyn |
| 01:20.47 | bofh | They're a good mfgr |
| 01:20.52 | NAiL | AT-AR215 |
| 01:21.01 | NAiL | Supported under linux, of course |
| 01:21.11 | mwester | Drivers already in the kernel? |
| 01:21.24 | mwester | (you're using foonas, I'll bet) |
| 01:21.27 | NAiL | dunno, but I don't think setting it up will be much of a problem ;) |
| 01:21.45 | NAiL | but of course I'm using foonas :P |
| 01:22.02 | NAiL | I want to use the device with my FSG-3 though |
| 01:22.22 | NAiL | if freecom ever gets their finger out and releases the source |
| 01:22.50 | NAiL | At that point I'll replace the internal wifi card too, so I can finally have stable wifi |
| 01:23.04 | NAiL | the POS card that is in the fsg-3 is killing me |
| 01:25.00 | mwester | Which wifi is that? |
| 01:26.01 | rwhitby | mwester: what's wrong with the card in the DSM? |
| 01:26.32 | NAiL | mwester: marvell libertas |
| 01:28.02 | mwester | I don't think it's the card, rather the driver. Driver oopses, it seems to be -- you get a traceback dumped out, identifying the wlan_scan (or similar) as the running routine. |
| 01:28.02 | mwester | Most often at boot, but once in a long while it does it after several days of running. |
| 01:28.31 | mwester | Didn't seem to do it when it was running WEP (now is WPA), but I'm not sure if that's just coincidence. |
| 01:29.30 | NAiL | nite all |
| 01:29.30 | mwester | Nite |
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| 01:58.27 | RobNC | Anyone in here ever used a BDI2000? |
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| 01:59.08 | robinn | I just bought an nslu2, and a 250 gig hard-drive with a USB enclosure |
| 01:59.26 | robinn | do I have to partition the hard-drive before unsluging it? |
| 02:00.08 | robinn | should I first try to get NSLU2 setup to work without any hacks and then try to unslug it? |
| 02:00.22 | rwhitby | robinn: have you read the README file yet? |
| 02:00.41 | rwhitby | (the one that comes with Unslung) |
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| 02:01.34 | rwhitby | mwester: I'm also removing the cpio and findutils stuff from unslung-image - I assume it's had enough testing. |
| 02:01.37 | robinn | nope, I should go and read it... |
| 02:01.44 | robinn | thank you |
| 02:04.00 | rwhitby | robinn: you can either accept the default linksys partitioning, or you can do it yourself if that is not appropriate. |
| 02:04.21 | rwhitby | (there's a wiki page on custom partitioning, but you need to be familiar with the linux command line and fdisk to do it) |
| 02:05.08 | rwhitby | RobNC: I haven't, but would like to :-) |
| 02:05.25 | robinn | is the default linksys partitioning ext2 or ext3? also does the default linksys partitioning create a swap drive? |
| 02:05.27 | rwhitby | robinn: ext3, yes. |
| 02:05.28 | robinn | as the wiki page you're talking about mentions something about creating a swap drive |
| 02:05.28 | robinn | ok cool |
| 02:05.38 | RobNC | rwhitby: heh luckily I have one at work. Got TFTP server, yada yada but wanna make sure I do it right. Pretty expensive!! |
| 02:06.03 | robinn | Which is more popular in the NSLU2 community, Unslung or Debian? |
| 02:06.47 | robinn | I hear there are thousands of packages for debian that are compiled against the same processor the Slug uses |
| 02:06.54 | robinn | ARM, I believe |
| 02:07.09 | rwhitby | Unslung has about 50K downloads. SlugOS and Debian have about 10K downloads each. |
| 02:07.27 | robinn | the README file you were talking about, I believe that's associated with Unslung, not Debian, is that correct? |
| 02:07.33 | rwhitby | correct. |
| 02:07.38 | robinn | ahh... |
| 02:07.42 | rwhitby | The Debian installation is completely separate. |
| 02:07.59 | robinn | and I can easily go from Unslung to Debian later on, is that correct? |
| 02:08.00 | rwhitby | Are you an experienced Linux user? |
| 02:08.21 | robinn | no, not really... |
| 02:08.27 | rwhitby | You can always go from any firmware to any firmware, but it's a complete reinstall (including packages and sometimes disk partitioning) if you do. |
| 02:08.48 | robinn | yeah, that won't be a problem, I'll probably make that decision in the first week |
| 02:08.59 | robinn | I bought a WinTV PVR USB2 :) |
| 02:09.05 | robinn | I can't wait to hook all these up |
| 02:09.09 | robinn | I'm so excited |
| 02:09.19 | robinn | it's gonna be a good learning experience |
| 02:09.33 | rwhitby | If you have a particular application in mind, then that might drive your firmware decision. |
| 02:10.40 | robinn | rwhitby, yeah, I better check the wiki page for WinTV integration... I believe the person was using Debian |
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| 02:20.58 | robinn | I have made my decision. OpenDebianSlug! :) |
| 02:21.37 | bofh | I wonder if I could get OpenBSD on it. |
| 02:21.48 | rwhitby | robinn: no such thing as opendebianslug any more |
| 02:22.21 | robinn | oh right.. that was the 'historical' name |
| 02:22.22 | robinn | "SlugOS/BE |
| 02:22.22 | robinn | + Debian armeb |
| 02:22.31 | robinn | just a long name... |
| 02:22.35 | rwhitby | nope, don't do that. armeb is not supported. |
| 02:22.39 | robinn | such a long name... |
| 02:22.40 | bofh | hmm. |
| 02:22.50 | bofh | Is it possible to run the nslu2 in little-endian? |
| 02:22.57 | robinn | I got it from here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix |
| 02:22.58 | bofh | Big-endian gives me a minor headache. |
| 02:23.17 | rwhitby | bofh: LE is the default for Debian/NSLU2 and for SlugOS/LE. |
| 02:23.26 | bofh | rwhitby: am running openslug. |
| 02:23.28 | rwhitby | robinn: thx - I'll update that page. |
| 02:23.42 | bofh | Is it possible to switch via a kernel upgrade and busybox/root crossrecompile? |
| 02:23.50 | rwhitby | openslug is the old name for SlugOS/BE. |
| 02:23.59 | bofh | Ahh. |
| 02:24.23 | bofh | SlugOS/LE will fit on internal flash and give me a base system [id est, none of the linksys junk], right? |
| 02:24.35 | robinn | rwhitby, then what is the name of the disro of the column I selected? |
| 02:25.11 | robinn | s/disro/distro |
| 02:25.54 | lbundle | hi, I am trying to get info on linux on ARM. I just started hacking the Western Digital MyBook World Edition which has an ARMv5EJTL and runs linux. |
| 02:26.29 | bofh | btw, what is the default endianness of the XScale and how do you switch it? |
| 02:26.45 | rwhitby | robinn: SlugOS/BE running with an unsupported Debian armeb rootfs. |
| 02:27.05 | mwester | bofh: endianness is selected by the bootloader and/or kernel stuff at boot time. |
| 02:27.20 | rwhitby | bofh: yes. there is no default. change a bit in a machine register. |
| 02:27.46 | bofh | So wait. |
| 02:27.56 | bofh | If nothing gets written to that register. |
| 02:27.57 | rwhitby | (hmm - maybe there is a default, cause the machine register resets to a known state, but the default is not really relevant from a SlugOS point of view) |
| 02:28.05 | bofh | The CPU runs in a non-endian state? |
| 02:28.06 | bofh | Huh? |
| 02:28.07 | mwester | rwhitby: I've tested without find and cpio ;) Not sure how many others are actually running the 6.9-alpha unslung versions. |
| 02:28.25 | bofh | Why'd it change the name from OpenSlug to SlugOS? |
| 02:28.43 | rwhitby | cause it got BE and LE versions. |
| 02:29.15 | bofh | So OpenSlug/BE and OpenSlug/LE? :P |
| 02:29.52 | rwhitby | no |
| 02:29.58 | mwester | LE didn't used to be (<-- grammer police alert!) an option until recently when an open-source driver that worked in both endianness' became available. |
| 02:30.28 | rwhitby | mwester: actually, we got the Intel driver to work LE well before the open source driver was created. |
| 02:31.00 | mwester | Oops. Sorry for the misinformation (I don't remember that, actually :( I must have been asleep!) |
| 02:31.39 | mwester | Didn't we require an external network adaptor for early debian stuff? |
| 02:32.17 | bofh | mwester: yes. |
| 02:33.09 | rwhitby | mwester: yes, before we got the Intel driver to work LE. |
| 02:33.40 | mwester | Ok. Then I'm not crazy, just not paying attention :D |
| 02:34.32 | rwhitby | First debian required external network adapter, or required running armeb. Second Debian used intel driver LE. Later Debians use open source driver. |
| 02:36.10 | jacques | if you leave the register alone, the CPU runs in middle-endian |
| 02:39.00 | mwester | I thought it was bi-endian |
| 02:39.50 | robinn | I hope the NSLU2 can handle (torrents+asterisk(1 line)+WinTV+(normal file transfers)) |
| 02:41.43 | rwhitby | robinn: let us know if it does. You will want to choose your packages carefully (especially the torrent package) based on memory usage (which is the most precious resource on an NSLU2) |
| 02:43.03 | hillct | robinn: your'e the one doing WinTV on the slug? |
| 02:43.14 | hillct | robinn: what functionality in that regard are you actually using? |
| 02:43.20 | hillct | Video encoding? |
| 02:43.33 | hillct | I'm assuming not |
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| 03:21.47 | RobNC | Anyone ever used BDI2000 for NSLU2? |
| 03:24.17 | rwhitby | I think one of {dyoung,[g2]} have. |
| 03:24.45 | jacques | heh, I *wish* I had the bdi xscale firmware |
| 03:25.07 | jacques | but $1000 is too much for a hobbyist |
| 03:25.13 | RobNC | rwhitby: thanks... wish someone that said it was working in the wiki had posted a config file. |
| 03:25.23 | RobNC | jacques: yes I have one I borrowed from work. |
| 03:25.43 | jacques | I have access to a bdi2000 device, but only the PPC firmware |
| 03:26.12 | RobNC | jacques: do you have to have a license on the device for programming all parts? |
| 03:26.51 | jacques | I'm pretty sure we only paid for the ppc firmware - it's all we use it for at work |
| 03:27.04 | RobNC | is it not enough to get .cfg and .def files (from BDI FTP server)? |
| 03:27.34 | jacques | the firmware in the bdi device varies by arch and sub-arch |
| 03:27.53 | jacques | you can load new firmware into the bdi, but the license for each sub-arch is $1000 |
| 03:28.11 | jacques | (and I've never seen the bdi firmware available for download) |
| 03:28.15 | RobNC | oh I didn't even consider that... we don't use IXP at work either (PPC too) |
| 03:28.33 | jacques | :-( |
| 03:28.33 | RobNC | so it might not have the license, and thus won't recognize IXP425 |
| 03:29.07 | jacques | if your bdi isn't running the xscale/xp firmware, it won't |
| 03:29.08 | rwhitby | RobNC: just get a digilent parallel port cable and use wince jtag tools :-) |
| 03:29.13 | jacques | xscale/ixp |
| 03:29.16 | RobNC | (425 was closest to 420 I could find - same thing) |
| 03:29.26 | jacques | yeah same thing |
| 03:29.46 | jacques | yeah RobNC I have a wiggler compatible parallel port cable and it works on the nslu2 |
| 03:29.57 | jacques | just extremely slow compared to bdi |
| 03:30.07 | jacques | 40 minutes to flash 128kB IIRC |
| 03:30.15 | rwhitby | I've done that once too - I actually have the JTAG cable permanently connected, but never use it :-) |
| 03:30.28 | RobNC | rwhitby: yeah looking that way. laptop doesn't have lpt port that I trust. Set in BIOS to EPP, and bidir, but winxp still thinks it's ECP. For some reason, I couldn't compile jtag tools from knoppix liveCD |
| 03:30.56 | RobNC | jacques: not too important since the bootloader is so small, luckily :-) |
| 03:31.07 | jacques | 40 minutes still gets old fast |
| 03:31.38 | RobNC | rwhitby: I made one too, but I couldn't get the device to be found. Unless the wiki instructions are errored, or the PCs I was on had other issues. |
| 03:31.55 | RobNC | true... can't you set the speed in the openjtag tools? |
| 03:32.19 | rwhitby | jacques: hopefully you only ever do it once. then you learn your lesson and be more careful with the bootloader :-) |
| 03:33.00 | RobNC | rwhitby: I hear ya. My wife interrupted my train of thought and I hit return instead of erasing the line to copy apex to ram and run it from there. |
| 03:33.05 | jacques | rwhitby, well when I was porting u-boot I must have done it 20 times |
| 03:33.29 | jacques | and it's still not working right (no network) :-( |
| 03:33.32 | rwhitby | jacques: yeah, bootloader development is a different kettle of fish. |
| 03:34.09 | RobNC | weird thing about parallel port JTAG. It appears that the instructions for openwince JTAG port is different than the NSLU2 wiki. Not sure if all pins are needed for jtag tools? |
| 03:35.12 | RobNC | Have you all tried USB-to-parallel-port adapters with the openwince JTAG tools? |
| 03:35.35 | jacques | not I |
| 03:35.41 | rwhitby | RobNC: I used this page: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlashUsingJTAG |
| 03:35.50 | rwhitby | and a Digilent parallel port cable. |
| 03:36.31 | RobNC | rwhitby: I hear ya. The Digilent parallel cable has more pins and a transistor than the wiki site you mentioned. Not sure if it matters. |
| 03:36.49 | jacques | I too used a digilent |
| 03:37.06 | RobNC | Here is what I'm talking about: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing/Hardware/JTAG_Cable |
| 03:38.26 | RobNC | see how trst is used, as well as srst_n, whereas the NSLU2 wiki makes no mention of this, and also the pin-8 to pin-15 interconnect (LPT) "detect" wire is not there. |
| 03:39.23 | rwhitby | yeah, none of that is needed for jtag flashing |
| 03:39.27 | jacques | yep |
| 03:39.52 | jacques | superfluous |
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| 03:41.42 | RobNC | ok, gotcha... I also noted that TDI and TCK have pullups (6.8k and 10k, respectively) |
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| 03:43.38 | RobNC | I'll try that again. I got a little further with cygwin. Gotta use some extra driver to let you program directly to port. When I have it working with cygwin, I'll wiki it of course. |
| 03:49.25 | RobNC | you guys know if it's so important to only use the version of headers specified in the wiki? I.e., only INCLUDE-0.3.2. |
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| 04:09.58 | RobNC | thanks guys for your help... will try parallel-port version... |
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| 17:13.23 | hillct | NAiL: any luck with the rev2 openpbx package? OE ticket 2044 |
| 17:19.51 | CIA-5 | 03oleo 07uclibc-unstable * r5833 10optware/sources/buildroot/buildroot.config: unstable buildroot: enable short/long jump exceptions |
| 17:26.57 | NAiL | hillct: sorry, been working on other stuff. If I don't mess up stuff, I'll be checking it in today ;) |
| 17:27.32 | hillct | thanks |
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| 17:53.16 | CIA-5 | 03bzhou * r5834 10optware/trunk/make/swi-prolog.mk: swi-prolog: 5.6.31 -> 5.6.32 |
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| 17:57.33 | hillct | thanks |
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| 18:43.18 | hillct | NAiL: is the new openpbx not working in the autobuild system? |
| 18:44.22 | NAiL | haven't committed it to stable yet |
| 18:44.29 | NAiL | you'll see it in here when I do |
| 18:44.48 | hillct | ah. tanks |
| 18:44.50 | hillct | thanks |
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| 21:32.26 | CIA-5 | 03nail 07slugos-3.10-beta * r418 10slugos/openembedded/packages/openpbx/openpbx.org_1.2_rc3.bb: openpbx.org: Update to rev2, thanks hillct |
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