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| 00:33.35 | chacko | Does anybody know approx how much space will it take to install the native compiler on slugos/be to compile simple c progs? |
| 01:49.04 | joshin | chacko: My very bare Gentoo slug installation (so think of Gentoo stuffed on top of slugos) fits in around 270MB. |
| 02:17.06 | joshin | That has a full compiler, includes, and all the other needed tools. |
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| 02:25.13 | likewise | Hello people. |
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| 03:13.36 | ptan | Does anyone here know the difference on the nslu2 between gcc -O1 and gcc -O2 (native on the slug) |
| 03:13.38 | ptan | ? |
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| 03:16.48 | likewise | it's a generic GCC optimization flag, you can look it up |
| 03:17.43 | likewise | AFAIK, -O1 are speed optimizations (without making the executable larger), -O2 is more aggresive optimization (allowing to enlargen the exe), but I might be totally wrong here. RTM. |
| 03:18.31 | joshin | ptan: I like using -Os on the slug and other small systems. |
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| 03:18.59 | joshin | Uses all the optimizations as -O3 except for the ones that take up more space |
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| 03:40.14 | ptan | I found the problem that caused the gcc bug I reported on the nslu2 mailing list |
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| 03:40.47 | ptan | It seems that it works on -O2 and -O3, but fails on -O1 and -O0 |
| 03:44.05 | ptan | Same code, but one works and one fails just by changing the optimization levels.... |
| 03:44.27 | ptan | (this is now bordering on bizarre... considering that gcc has been around for a while...) |
| 03:44.36 | joshin | Sounds like a gcc bug. |
| 03:44.45 | joshin | (I know, 'duh!') |
| 03:45.11 | joshin | You could try in #gcc though the channel seems more dead than here. |
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| 04:55.11 | chacko | joshin, ru there? I have been away... |
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| 17:37.33 | chacko | joshin, r u there? |
| 17:38.43 | chacko | joshin, yesterday u mentioned about 250M for the c compiler setup... |
| 17:38.59 | chacko | I assume that was for making a full slug image? |
| 17:39.20 | joshin | Yup |
| 17:40.00 | chacko | Ah!! Suppose I want to try to compile helloWorld.c, what is the starting point on slugosbe? |
| 17:40.44 | joshin | install gcc* and binutils* |
| 17:40.57 | chacko | my need for the compiler is for compiling tiny low level utis which I cannot do in a php script |
| 17:41.42 | chacko | joshin, any guess what the totoal size of those two sets will be? |
| 17:42.25 | joshin | Um, <270M... :) |
| 17:42.36 | chacko | :) |
| 17:43.08 | joshin | Have you built a cross-compiler? |
| 17:43.14 | joshin | You may be able to use it instead. |
| 17:43.45 | chacko | joshin, well, that was my second thought... I do not have any cross yet. |
| 17:44.27 | chacko | I use winxp, I have vmware workstation (not used yet), and ubuntu 6.0 LTS CD here |
| 17:44.53 | joshin | Sounds like my main desktop... But Gentoo instead of ubuntu |
| 17:45.06 | chacko | both picked up at some conferene ;) |
| 17:45.59 | joshin | And a quick du of the relevant directories came up with around 60MB. I probably missed stuff so figure 72MB for a build environment. |
| 17:46.45 | joshin | vmware rocks. Though it is slow compared to kvm. Of course since gaming does not do well under virtualization my gaming machines are XP with emulated linux. |
| 17:47.04 | joshin | Maybe 6.0 will be faster. I need to give it a whirl. |
| 17:47.59 | chacko | I am not concerned about space on my winxp, it is a reasonably fast 1.6G pc with 10G disk spare... |
| 17:48.26 | chacko | But I am not *nix savvy, so even the learning curve looks steep :( |
| 17:49.25 | joshin | It is a touch steep. But if you do even the tiniest bit of trying to find the answers to your problems before asking for help, you should avoid flamage. |
| 17:50.53 | joshin | The Gentoo forums and howto's are great places to find general linux info. |
| 17:50.54 | joshin | Obviously it has a Gentoo bend to it but you can find nearly anything there. |
| 17:51.18 | chacko | I have a feeling, it might be much simpler to install gcc* and binutilts* on my small slugosbe, for my limited purposes ?? |
| 17:52.17 | eno | chacko: if you really want to know the space requirement for gcc+binutils, you can also goto http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/cross/3.10-beta/ |
| 17:52.35 | eno | and manually download and extract gcc...ipk and binutils...ipk |
| 17:55.34 | chacko | eno, assuming I can spare 100M++, i can just do ipk install of gcc* and binutils* right?? |
| 17:56.19 | joshin | chacko: You will probably need some *dev packages too for includes and the like |
| 17:56.27 | eno | i dunno whether there're other packages depended upon by gcc and binutils |
| 17:56.30 | joshin | Just install things as you need them. |
| 17:57.17 | joshin | BTW, that linux learning curve is far easier to scale if you don't mind risking blowing your system up a few times. |
| 17:57.32 | eno | i would just do an "ipkg list_installed" before and after, and give plenty of spaces |
| 17:57.41 | joshin | Though a virtual machine is easier to deal with than an embedded device |
| 17:57.49 | hillct | gentlemen |
| 17:58.07 | hillct | I have OpemPBX sucessfully running on the slug |
| 17:59.03 | hillct | it doesn't do much yet, but if you'd like to test it, please call 919-323-3690 |
| 17:59.03 | joshin | Hey, that's my girlfriend's number! :) |
| 17:59.13 | joshin | hillct: what hardware are you using to interface with the telco? |
| 17:59.16 | hillct | does she sound like your girlfriend? |
| 17:59.47 | hillct | Call origination and termination is provided by www.voipyourlife.com |
| 18:00.07 | hillct | you don't need any specific telecom hardware to receive calls |
| 18:00.10 | chacko | joshin, why 'risking blowing your system' ? I thought vmware will comparmentalize linux totally? I cannot afford any risk with my winxp |
| 18:00.18 | hillct | I have a Supura 2100 ATA for my local extension |
| 18:00.49 | joshin | chacko: I was referring to experimenting too much on your slug. |
| 18:00.52 | hillct | chacko: vmware will completely isolate anything you're running as a guest |
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| 18:01.20 | joshin | And your winxp is safe but I was thinking of blowing up your linux system (aka the virtual machine) |
| 18:01.26 | mwester | Vmware is wonderful for that; it also allows one to take a "snapshot" at a point in time,and then revert to that snapshot should everything go completely wrong. |
| 18:01.40 | joshin | good point... |
| 18:01.52 | hillct | it used to allow you to take multiple snapshots, but they removed that functionality |
| 18:01.56 | hillct | oh well |
| 18:02.08 | joshin | Depends on the version. Workstation has no limitations |
| 18:02.12 | mwester | That's in the "you gotta pay for it" workstation version, hillct. |
| 18:02.12 | chacko | mwester, that is nice! |
| 18:02.21 | hillct | now you can only have one snapshot per guest at a time |
| 18:02.24 | joshin | server used to not exist |
| 18:02.43 | joshin | of course you can copy the files off and make your own snapshots |
| 18:03.05 | hillct | multiple snapshots per guest at a time was only available in VMware WS 3.0 |
| 18:03.12 | mwester | In any case, yes, you can probably get by with just gcc and some misc support utilities on the slug with minimal risk, chacko. |
| 18:03.23 | hillct | in 3.2 they set it up so you could only store one snapshot at a time |
| 18:03.38 | hillct | yeah |
| 18:03.40 | VoodooZ | sounds like a cool project: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/linuxbios-with-x11-server-completely-in-flash-rom |
| 18:03.47 | mwester | But if you wish to set up a vmware environment on your XP system at some point, there are a number of folks who have done it and can offer some help. |
| 18:03.48 | hillct | what mwester said |
| 18:04.03 | joshin | ditto |
| 18:05.49 | hillct | ? |
| 18:05.58 | hillct | really? it's pretty damn trivial |
| 18:06.05 | eno | is it possible to have a virtual slug (under qemu or ...)? |
| 18:06.14 | chacko | mwester, that is very comforting :) I just looked, I had 'installed' the vmware about 6 months ago, but never used it :( |
| 18:06.35 | joshin | eno: it should be. I thought about persuing it but got bored and found a second slug for $50. |
| 18:06.57 | hillct | chacko: if you mean the free vmware server, version 1.0.2 came out last week |
| 18:07.01 | hillct | so upgrade |
| 18:07.21 | chacko | my vmware is 5.5.2 and Lincence says No expiration... |
| 18:07.27 | hillct | nice |
| 18:07.59 | eno | the advantge of a virtual slug is speed and RAM |
| 18:08.12 | hillct | has that been done? |
| 18:08.16 | hillct | does it work? |
| 18:08.44 | hillct | I can't imagine it would work under vmware since that's i386-only |
| 18:09.15 | hillct | what virtualization tool offers ARM hardware emulation? |
| 18:09.16 | joshin | I'll see if I can get a virtual slug working with qemu this afternoon. |
| 18:09.20 | joshin | qemu |
| 18:09.24 | hillct | cool |
| 18:09.41 | hillct | that's be awsome for native builds |
| 18:09.44 | joshin | We'll see if the kids let me get any 'work' done today. |
| 18:11.02 | hillct | I'm puttin the spandsp library recipe into OE bug tracker momenterily if someone could check it in |
| 18:11.09 | eno | http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/15669 |
| 18:11.19 | eno | although the vmware player part is not necessary |
| 18:14.11 | chacko | hillct, in some email from vmware recently, I thought they were making many pkgs free ... they are about to go public |
| 18:14.49 | chacko | mine was a full developer's pkg, I think, free from a show |
| 18:14.50 | hillct | dino |
| 18:15.14 | hillct | eno: why is SlugOS not listed as a distribution in the OE bugtracker? |
| 18:16.04 | eno | i have no idea, i don't use OE much |
| 18:16.36 | eno | s/use OE/develop OE/ |
| 18:18.09 | hillct | rwhitby: ping |
| 18:20.43 | pierrelux | joshin: would be nice if it works using qemu |
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| 18:25.24 | hillct | rwhitby: when you get a chance, please check this recipe in http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 |
| 18:35.29 | chacko | hillct, The vmw subscription change announcement at http://rafb.net/p/zZfive83.html |
| 18:37.47 | hillct | ah |
| 18:39.07 | chacko | hillct, I dont even know if I should upgrade my sw before my subscription ends in a few months -- I dont know enaough about the products |
| 18:40.30 | hillct | stick with what you've got but check the rules for your subscription to see if it includes new versions of the workstation product |
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| 18:50.49 | eno | chacko: vmware server is free |
| 18:54.36 | chacko | eno, I have a fully licensed workstation |
| 18:57.38 | mwester | workstation offers a number of very nice features not present in the free server product; I too have 5.5.2 and need to decide if the 6.0 features are worth paying for. Don't know yet... |
| 18:59.36 | chacko | my free license might allow me to upgrade free to 6.0 |
| 19:00.19 | chacko | is gentoo vs ubunto just one of preference? Never used either, had used redhat for a while a few years ago |
| 19:01.42 | hillct | same |
| 19:01.47 | hillct | used Gentoo for a while |
| 19:01.56 | hillct | never used Ubantu |
| 19:02.06 | hillct | er ubunto |
| 19:02.13 | chacko | is fedora core a 3rd flavour? |
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| 19:02.37 | hillct | Fedora is an offshoot of redhat |
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| 19:22.58 | chacko | when running from /dev/sda1 slugosbe , can I use turnup disk /dev/sdb3 and then reboot with the second disk also plugged in to boot from the second disk partion 3? |
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| 19:53.56 | chacko | marceln, when running from /dev/sda1 slugosbe , can I use turnup disk /dev/sdb3 and then reboot with the second disk also plugged in to boot from the second disk partion 3 |
| 19:54.31 | chacko | I have done this ok to start from /dev/sda3, for example |
| 19:56.49 | marceln | Chacko: I don't know. |
| 19:57.12 | marceln | Most of the things i have done are with unslung. |
| 19:57.34 | chacko | marceln, thanks |
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| 21:06.42 | chacko | eno, is it possible I would not get everything for gcc from ipkg, but your optware feed will be needed? |
| 21:31.48 | eno | chacko: no, slugosbe does not need anything from optware to work (including compilation) |
| 21:33.34 | chacko | eno, I cannot locate a pkg to provide the string.h -- from the ipkgfind site |
| 21:55.45 | mwester | The feeds have been, um, "troubled" of late. Perhaps the package you desire is not indexed at the moment. :( |
| 22:03.39 | chacko | mwester, ok I shall wait ... |
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| 22:54.03 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:54.32 | NAiL | morning |