| 00:48.16 | hillct | ok. got it squared away |
| 01:00.44 | hillct | NAiL: would you like to mess with my initial ntpclient package or do you think it'd be more valuable with the adjtimex stuff in place? |
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| 01:50.15 | jason0_ | Running debian slug, but running into safe_sync problems w/ rtorrent, is it possible to upgrade/downgrade the kernel? |
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| 12:03.42 | Caelian|work | hmmmm ... just updated my build-tree ... trying to build a new debianslug firmware suddenly bitbake gives me the following .... ERROR: You must set MACHINE to nslu2le or nslu2be. |
| 12:07.19 | Caelian|work | anyone has any ideas when this started ... and where this should be fixed ? |
| 12:09.55 | drif | I believe it has been implemented few days ago.. you can decide which endian you use. |
| 12:10.13 | CoreDump|afk | Caelian|work: MACHINE=nslu2le,DISTRO=slugos |
| 12:10.23 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 12:10.39 | Caelian|work | CoreDump|home: where do i now specify those though ? |
| 12:10.50 | Caelian|work | it used to be ... debianslug == le .... openslug == be |
| 12:11.02 | CoreDump|home | Caelian|work: are you using the makefile thingy? |
| 12:11.06 | Caelian|work | yes i am |
| 12:11.15 | Caelian|work | i used to simply run make debianslug |
| 12:11.27 | CoreDump|home | Caelian|work: dunno then sorry.Try downloading the latest Makefile |
| 12:12.34 | Caelian|work | fetvched the latest Makefile ... same thing |
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| 15:20.22 | CoreDump|home | rwhitby: you around? |
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| 15:41.49 | hillct | is there a way to install an ipk with arguments that are passed to the postinst script? |
| 15:46.18 | Kzar_fr | hillct: you can use ENV variables |
| 15:46.19 | Kzar_fr | I think |
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| 15:50.53 | hillct | hmm. Guess that would work |
| 15:52.00 | hillct | but there's no mechanism to pass them on the command line in the install, for example ipkg install mypackage --with-extracoolness=true |
| 15:52.14 | hillct | or some such thing |
| 15:52.27 | hillct | gotta set the enviroment varriable first |
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| 16:00.55 | NAiL | samba won't build? |
| 16:01.19 | CoreDump|home | it's failing for readline |
| 16:01.27 | CoreDump|home | looks like a missing dependency |
| 16:01.38 | NAiL | it should have a readline dep |
| 16:02.00 | CoreDump|home | yeah, it has =) And readline doesn't compile heh |
| 16:02.24 | CoreDump|home | could be a missing automake dependency |
| 16:02.29 | NAiL | heh |
| 16:02.39 | NAiL | readline I don't know anything about :-P |
| 16:04.05 | CoreDump|home | http://rafb.net/p/mg7HpJ25.html |
| 16:04.36 | NAiL | even worse |
| 16:04.37 | NAiL | it's perl |
| 16:04.41 | NAiL | perl-stuff |
| 16:04.41 | CoreDump|home | could just be as well a host problem |
| 16:04.55 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
| 16:05.04 | NAiL | what build host do you have? |
| 16:05.29 | CoreDump|home | 32 Bit Debian SID. But I compile inside a jail |
| 16:06.02 | mwester | Autoconf is dependent upon perl and perl packages? I didn't know that. |
| 16:11.56 | mwester | Struct.pm is a generic class; probably inherited by Automake. But I can't find automake on CPAN... |
| 16:12.29 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 16:12.35 | CoreDump|home | has to be some .deb |
| 16:13.47 | mwester | Actually it's part of the automake package. |
| 16:14.24 | CoreDump|home | indeed, which I just installed. Doesn't help tho |
| 16:14.50 | mwester | /usr/share/automake-1.9/Automake/Struct.pm --- does such a thing exist? If so, might be a path thing? |
| 16:17.48 | CoreDump|home | mwester: yeah, it's there |
| 16:19.09 | mwester | Also found this: /home/slug/slugosbe/tmp/staging/i686-linux/share/automake-1.9/Automake/Struct.pm |
| 16:19.33 | mwester | So I suspect that the automake is using a -native.bb package. |
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| 16:22.49 | CIA-19 | 03bzhou * r5541 10optware/trunk/make/libmrss.mk: libmrss: 0.16 -> 0.17 |
| 16:31.11 | CoreDump|home | mwester: unsurprisingly it was indeed a problem with my jail ;) |
| 16:31.12 | CoreDump|home | NOTE: package readline-4.3: completed |
| 16:32.42 | CoreDump|home | I'm working on adding task-style meta-packages for slugos (slug-task-nas-samba, slug-task-nas-nfs etc) I take it such a thing doesn't exist already, right? |
| 16:33.53 | hrw | CoreDump|home: s/slug-//g |
| 16:34.14 | hrw | CoreDump|home: what if I will want to put 40GB disk in my progear and use it as NAS? |
| 16:34.45 | CoreDump|home | hr |
| 16:34.48 | CoreDump|home | m |
| 16:35.41 | CIA-19 | 03bzhou * r5542 10optware/trunk/make/scli.mk: scli: missed ncurses, readline & zlib in DEPENDS and -stage |
| 16:36.07 | CoreDump|home | hrw: Ok, I get your point. |
| 16:37.32 | hrw | CoreDump|home: we worked too long to get rid of OZ==OE so let now not create OE==nslu2 ones ;) |
| 16:38.41 | CoreDump|home | I still believe that a propper task* for a slug is different than such a task for a PC. |
| 16:39.15 | CoreDump|home | same for Zauruses, ipaqs etc |
| 16:39.31 | hrw | because slug lack screen/input? |
| 16:40.39 | CoreDump|home | that's one thing. Another is that I would like the slug task to be easy to configure. Unlike a normal PC where you can read man-pages and stuff, editing configfiles for everything is IMO not acceptable |
| 16:41.00 | CoreDump|home | on an embedded device |
| 16:41.56 | hrw | joshin: 68020+68851 ones? |
| 16:42.31 | joshin | hrw: Yup. |
| 16:42.55 | joshin | CoreDump|home: good point. Not everyone is crazy enough to put Gentoo on their slug. :D |
| 16:43.03 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 16:43.16 | joshin | I still have a couple A1000's and a 68020 chassis for one. |
| 16:43.38 | CoreDump|home | I still wish I hadn't sold my A1200 :\ |
| 16:44.00 | hrw | CoreDump|home: they are still reachable to buy |
| 16:44.24 | CoreDump|home | hrw: true =) |
| 16:44.38 | joshin | I loved my A3000. Aah, the good old days. :) |
| 16:44.49 | hrw | I would like to see A3000+ |
| 16:44.52 | CoreDump|home | indeed, amigas were fun |
| 16:45.02 | joshin | But the slug is a perfectly usable general access linux machine. |
| 16:45.16 | Kzar_fr | joshin: and fanless |
| 16:45.28 | CoreDump|home | might as well add generic *nas* etc tasks |
| 16:46.00 | CoreDump|home | joshin: I agree |
| 16:46.12 | joshin | My first slug is running an irssi proxy which allows me to chat with you fine fellows. My second one is my backup server. Combined, they use less power than just the Opty 175 in my desktop. |
| 16:46.18 | CoreDump|home | I have big plans for mine heh |
| 16:46.44 | joshin | I used to drive by the original Amiga Corp offices every day on the way to work. |
| 16:46.55 | kolla | west chester? |
| 16:46.59 | kolla | (iirc) |
| 16:47.04 | joshin | Los Gatos, California. |
| 16:47.07 | kolla | aha |
| 16:47.13 | joshin | West Chester was C='s home |
| 16:47.17 | kolla | yes.. :) |
| 16:47.39 | hrw | w@home:packages$ |
| 16:47.42 | hrw | ops |
| 16:47.43 | hrw | w@home:packages$ |
| 16:47.48 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.58 | hrw | http://hrw.one.pl/tmp/BookCon.png - my desktop from old Amiga times |
| 16:48.07 | hrw | 720x480x4bit on a1200 |
| 16:48.25 | CoreDump|home | hrw: =D |
| 16:48.53 | kolla | joshin: really :) |
| 16:49.14 | joshin | I have some ancient 1970's came systems. |
| 16:49.18 | joshin | game systems... |
| 16:49.36 | CoreDump|home | I'd love to try putting Linux on my old A1200 |
| 16:49.39 | kolla | I have even more at home.. 2 Cd32s, CDTV, A4000 and A3000 :) |
| 16:49.52 | hrw | CoreDump|home: with 030+FPU it is possible |
| 16:50.03 | hrw | CoreDump|home: I started using debian on a1200 with 040/40 |
| 16:50.17 | CoreDump|home | hrw: yeah, mine had a "turboboard" w/ 68040 IIRC |
| 16:50.29 | hrw | CoreDump|home: blizzard or apollo? |
| 16:50.37 | CoreDump|home | hrw: hmmmm |
| 16:50.39 | joshin | GVC? |
| 16:50.40 | joshin | :) |
| 16:50.44 | CoreDump|home | I forgot |
| 16:50.47 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
| 16:50.49 | HopsNBarley | joshin, you still live in LG? |
| 16:50.55 | CoreDump|home | it had 4Mb RAM tho heh |
| 16:50.58 | kolla | my A600 has apollo.. never really behaved stable with linux or *bsd |
| 16:51.00 | CoreDump|home | and 42MHz |
| 16:51.23 | hrw | CoreDump|home: you had 030/42 with 4MB - M-Tec |
| 16:51.31 | joshin | HopsNBarley: Nope. I lived in Santa Cruz and was commuting to Sunnyvale when I worked for Hotmail. I eventually moved to San Jose, then quit MSFT and ended up in AZ. |
| 16:51.35 | CoreDump|home | hrw: quite possible =) |
| 16:52.06 | HopsNBarley | some nice places! |
| 16:52.22 | joshin | HopsNBarley: where are you? |
| 16:53.06 | kolla | Amiga Corp in California didnt do much musefull though, if I remember correctly |
| 16:54.19 | hillct | how is the timezone supposed to be handled in OpenSlug? |
| 16:54.46 | HopsNBarley | joshin, Los Gatos (-; |
| 16:54.55 | kolla | hillct: /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Oslo |
| 16:55.00 | kolla | that's how I do it anyways |
| 16:55.29 | hillct | ah |
| 16:55.32 | kolla | you can also set TZ to /etc/profile I suspect |
| 16:55.36 | hillct | pretty much standard |
| 16:55.46 | hillct | somehow I never set mine |
| 16:55.52 | hillct | no idea why |
| 16:55.59 | hrw | http://hrw.one.pl/tmp/shot.jpg - my desktop from old Amiga times as wallpaper on current desktop... small change of resolution :D |
| 16:56.03 | hillct | is it part of the turnup prompts? |
| 16:56.11 | kolla | if you dont have a /etc/localtime, it will use TZ variable |
| 16:56.29 | kolla | as you can see in /etc/profile :) |
| 16:58.04 | joshin | HopsNBarley: I miss the area. I used to love taking the back roads from Aptos. I don't miss the taxes and nanny-state regulations. |
| 16:58.23 | hillct | I take it there's a package which contains the relevent zoneinfo files |
| 16:58.49 | hillct | somehow that's missing too |
| 16:59.48 | HopsNBarley | pretty much my feeling about it. i love the proximity to nice mountain biking. i just go right from my house. nice. |
| 17:01.48 | joshin | I still have a working one of these: http://www.atari-computermuseum.de/c380.htm |
| 17:04.46 | hrw | joshin: nice |
| 17:06.04 | kolla | :) |
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| 17:32.43 | chrismon | man this seems like a lot of work |
| 17:33.07 | chrismon | i'm slowly reading through the wiki and the slugos pages |
| 17:42.31 | joshin | chrismon: with the master makefile, it really is pretty easy. The devs did a great job with that! |
| 17:49.36 | chrismon | hmm i havent read about that so far |
| 17:49.52 | chrismon | how do you think performance would be with a low-usage apache and tomcat? |
| 17:50.22 | chrismon | its gonna need at least 384M of RAM to do that |
| 17:50.43 | chrismon | i was looking in the "success stories" to see if anyone's running tomcat, but I haven't found anything |
| 17:50.56 | eno | chrismon: tomcat? i don't think so |
| 17:51.21 | chrismon | yeah, bleh |
| 17:51.29 | eno | there isn't any optimized jvm running on the slug |
| 17:51.42 | chrismon | i thought that jamvm was |
| 17:51.43 | eno | all we have is jamvm and sablevm |
| 17:52.03 | eno | maybe you can run jetty |
| 17:52.14 | eno | on jamvm |
| 17:52.22 | chrismon | yeah i've played with jetty, over all it doesnt seem to be much smaller than tomcat |
| 17:52.23 | eno | but i still would not recommend it |
| 17:52.48 | eno | slug is not good for java apps |
| 17:53.10 | chrismon | nothing is really good for java apps, just pc's that are more powerful than needed for non-java apps ;) |
| 17:54.31 | eno | even apache seems a bit too heavy for slug |
| 17:55.51 | eno | try look at cherokee, lighttpd, or nginx |
| 17:55.51 | hillct | oh |
| 17:55.51 | hillct | that was wht I was going to do |
| 17:55.51 | hillct | lighttpd is in optware but not OE repo |
| 17:55.51 | hillct | seems rather odd |
| 17:55.56 | hillct | guess I'll take a crack at building it |
| 17:56.30 | eno | there is openembedded/packages/lighttpd/ |
| 17:56.52 | hillct | oh? |
| 17:56.55 | hillct | HMM |
| 17:56.57 | hillct | CHECKING |
| 17:58.06 | hillct | oh. cool |
| 17:58.15 | hillct | just not for release 3.10-beta |
| 17:58.29 | eno | OE has way more GUI packages, perhaps having something to do with the fact OE initially targeting PDAs |
| 17:59.08 | hillct | I was stunned that you vouldd put X apps on the slug |
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| 18:13.38 | hillct | wow. this build is SLOWWWW |
| 18:14.50 | HopsNBarley | while you are waiting, it's best to really learn how to write packages for OE for cross compile (-; |
| 18:15.12 | CoreDump|afk | exactly |
| 18:16.23 | hillct | it took me maybe 36 hourts to get it right the first time |
| 18:16.39 | hillct | HopsNBarley: it's worth it |
| 18:17.05 | hillct | I updated the docs yesterday with items I ran into, so it should be a bit easier now |
| 18:17.40 | hillct | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/SlugosbeDevel |
| 18:17.54 | hillct | I recommend avoiding optware in favor of the OE packages |
| 18:18.43 | hillct | if you've ever put together a .deb or RPM package, Bitbake is not a huge leap |
| 18:18.52 | HopsNBarley | if you aren't running too much on the slug already, you could try my apache2 package. it's in OE. |
| 18:20.36 | hillct | LOL |
| 18:20.43 | hillct | I misread your earlier comment |
| 18:20.51 | hillct | thought you were asking if it was worthwhile |
| 18:21.13 | hillct | yeah, I'll test it out as soon as I'm done with the lighttpd build |
| 18:25.21 | hillct | HopsNBarley: is this the r4 package? |
| 18:28.49 | HopsNBarley | uh, i guess so. lemme check. |
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| 18:37.20 | HopsNBarley | hillct: apache 2.2.3 r4 |
| 18:37.26 | hillct | K |
| 18:37.28 | hillct | damnit |
| 18:37.35 | hillct | sqllite package is hosed |
| 18:37.43 | hillct | do not easy lighttpd build |
| 18:37.48 | hillct | now for apache2... |
| 18:37.56 | HopsNBarley | it'll work flawlessly (-; |
| 18:39.23 | hillct | there's aparenrly a package called apache which is apache 2.054 |
| 18:39.52 | hillct | assuming it builds cleanly, it would probably make sense to rename your package |
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| 18:58.27 | hillct | HopsNBarley: the build process is proceeding cleanly, for what it's worth... |
| 19:01.15 | HopsNBarley | when i wrote apache 2.x, apache contained only 1.x recipies. hence the name. |
| 19:01.28 | HopsNBarley | it seemed cleaner that way. |
| 19:01.49 | hillct | yeah, although, moving forward, it'll get messy |
| 19:04.10 | HopsNBarley | i don't think so. apache moves pretty slow anyway. but for correctness sake, the dirs probably could be merged. |
| 19:28.38 | joshin | It should be fine if you limit the number of threads. |
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| 19:46.11 | hillct | HopsNBarley: different error in configure under HEAD |
| 19:46.52 | hillct | related to Void lengths |
| 19:50.38 | HopsNBarley | hillct, i'll check it out this afternoon. |
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| 19:54.57 | hillct | it appears that the sqlite package included in the slugos-3.10-beta repo needs to be uodated since version sqlite3-3.2.7 of the upstream tarball is no longer available for download |
| 19:55.10 | hillct | er updated |
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| 20:34.40 | rwhitby | CoreDump|afk: here now |
| 20:56.15 | CoreDump|home | rwhitby: hey. The altboot stuff will have to wait until the parts for the serial cable arrive. Right now I'm working on slug-tasks for comming stuff like samba/nfs/bluetooth/wifi etc |
| 20:56.26 | CoreDump|home | !test |
| 21:10.13 | rwhitby | CoreDump|home: cool |
| 21:10.27 | rwhitby | slugos can do with some good taskifying |
| 21:12.52 | hillct | rwhitby: what's the procedure for getting packackages updated? just send it to the mailing list? |
| 21:13.48 | rwhitby | getting packages added to OE, or getting packages that are already in OE added to the slugos feeds? |
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| 21:23.44 | hillct | rwhitby: both |
| 21:24.50 | hillct | two new packages, I've created and lighttpd which I just built from OE and am testing on my slug |
| 21:38.32 | rwhitby | hillct: put them on the oe bugtracker as a new package - if you do that often enough they will grant write privs |
| 21:39.11 | CoreDump|home | read: If you pester them enough =D |
| 21:39.12 | rwhitby | if it already exists, then ask someone with write privs to add it to slugos-packages so it goes in the feeds. |
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| 21:40.32 | hillct | well, as it turns out, the lighttpd package appears broken |
| 21:40.39 | hillct | unfortunately |
| 21:57.19 | hillct | rwhitby: the sqlite package version 3.2.7 included in the 3.10-beta feed relies on an upstream sqlite tarball that is no linger available. I just confirmed that the updated version of the sqlite package version 3.3.12 builds properly for 3.10-beta |
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