| 00:00.59 | scant | hi kapookee |
| 00:02.12 | kapookee | hello! |
| 00:03.54 | scant | kapookee: are you a nslu newb (like myself) or a pro? |
| 00:06.06 | kapookee | Definitely not a pro. But I do use unslung, DebianSlug and SlugOS/LE on my slugs. :) |
| 00:06.28 | scant | do you use MPD? |
| 00:07.33 | kapookee | No, sorry |
| 00:07.50 | AdamBaker | Tobbe: /tmp is writable here |
| 00:07.50 | AdamBaker | $ ls -ld /tmp |
| 00:07.50 | AdamBaker | drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 Jan 19 23:58 /tmp |
| 00:08.31 | scant | kapookee: what do you use your slugs for? |
| 00:09.44 | Sinclair73de | scant, MPD music player? |
| 00:10.21 | kapookee | file server, media server and one for personal website plus USB webcam |
| 00:15.47 | kapookee | I need some guidance. I use a webcam driver on my slug (gspca - used to be called spca5xx). Builds fine on the slug. |
| 00:16.34 | kapookee | I want to build a package for it on my cross-build machine. My problem is that it requires the kernel source to build |
| 00:18.10 | kapookee | Can someone instruct me how to include the SlugOS source in a bitbake recipe? An example would be fine. |
| 00:18.23 | kapookee | Or anything else that would help. :-) |
| 00:31.53 | scant | bitbake recipe? |
| 00:32.31 | scant | Sinclair73de: yeah MPD player, that's what I use my slug for |
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| 06:48.26 | rwhitby-treo | afternoon. |
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| 10:47.47 | iwo | hey, I'm trying to use the Master makefile to create an unslung 6.8 firmware image... |
| 10:47.55 | iwo | there seems to be a problem with case though |
| 10:48.15 | iwo | if i try: make unslung-6.8-beta |
| 10:49.15 | iwo | this fails because it can't find http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/unslung/releases/unslung-6.8-beta |
| 10:49.38 | iwo | but if i try: make Unslung-6.8-beta |
| 10:50.12 | iwo | this would produce the correct svn url, but fails because make doesn't recognise this as a valid target |
| 10:50.40 | iwo | "No rule to make target `Unslung-6.8-beta'. Stop." |
| 10:51.32 | iwo | so basically, the svn url requires an uppercase U whereas the make file requires a lowercase u. |
| 10:51.51 | iwo | am i doing something wrong here? |
| 10:52.36 | Tobbe | iwo: just edit the makefile then... |
| 10:52.49 | iwo | i could just do: make unslung (to build head), but i really wanted to be developing against the correct fw version |
| 10:53.45 | iwo | yeah, I guess I'll have to - just wanted to check why this was happening (is there a different way I should be building unslung 6.8) |
| 10:56.49 | Tobbe | I don't know, I've never built it myself :) |
| 11:03.03 | rwhitby | iwo: I'll look into it. |
| 11:09.28 | iwo | cheers rwhitby |
| 11:09.46 | rwhitby | iwo: make update-master |
| 11:10.08 | rwhitby | (it's fixed in the repo) |
| 11:10.23 | iwo | thanks |
| 11:11.03 | rwhitby | the web site version will be updated the next time the autobuilder runs |
| 11:14.09 | iwo | sorry, what is the website version? |
| 11:14.46 | iwo | oh, you mean the makefile at /Mastermakefile? |
| 11:16.12 | rwhitby | yep |
| 11:16.33 | rwhitby | the http downloadable version is updated from the monotone repository each time the autobuilder runs |
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| 11:21.51 | ruschi | Hi channel - I have some architectural questions |
| 11:22.44 | ruschi | 1.) Why is the image a whole root filesystem image and not a ramdisk image (using cramfs) that is used separately wform the kernel |
| 11:23.08 | ruschi | lets say I falsh a kernel to some area in the FLASH and I flash ramdisk image to another area |
| 11:23.27 | ruschi | then when booting the kernel giving the commandline option ramdisk=bla |
| 11:23.45 | rwhitby | ruschi: so that rootfs changes are persistent. |
| 11:23.55 | ruschi | I used to do this when develpoping for a TQM850 module |
| 11:23.58 | ruschi | ah ok I se |
| 11:24.27 | rwhitby | if you want kernel and jffs2 rootfs images seperately, they are available (e.g. to use on a device other than an NSLU2, like the Iomega NAS100d) |
| 11:24.58 | rwhitby | ruschi: you also didn't specify which distro you were referring to. |
| 11:25.14 | ruschi | I am new to my NSLU2 |
| 11:25.22 | ruschi | I am playing with openslug |
| 11:26.04 | ruschi | 2nd - so far I didn't find documentation where the packages that are included on the image are specified |
| 11:26.25 | ruschi | I want to add thing to the ROM-image and kick out others |
| 11:26.43 | rwhitby | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix |
| 11:26.48 | ruschi | I was following the master makefile and the bitbake includes |
| 11:27.25 | rwhitby | OpenSlug (now known as SlugOS/BE) is based on OpenEmbedded - you can find the rootfs contents in the slugos-image.bb package file in the OE repository. |
| 11:27.26 | ruschi | I know this matrix |
| 11:27.38 | ruschi | thanks - I have alook |
| 11:28.10 | rwhitby | ruschi: there is also UcSlugC (which is based on uclibc instead of glibc) which gives you more room for additional apps in flash. |
| 11:28.22 | ruschi | I am about to play with this today |
| 11:28.32 | rwhitby | you have to build that one yourself - it's not well supported either. |
| 11:28.50 | ruschi | I already read about - they say its pre-beta status |
| 11:28.54 | ruschi | anyone using it? |
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| 11:29.57 | ruschi | Thanks alot |
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| 11:35.56 | ruschi | Wow - I have seen uboot as bootloader - I used to use this for PPC platforms - Is it recommendable to kick out redboot in favor of another bootloader |
| 11:36.12 | ruschi | if so can I do this without JTAG hardware...... and is it wise or risky? |
| 11:36.44 | rwhitby | we will never recommend that you do it, unless you have confirmed jtag access. |
| 11:36.57 | rwhitby | (of course, it is technically possible) |
| 11:37.34 | ruschi | ok - no I don't have JTAG hardware here - would have to go to uni for this. I think for now redboot is good enough |
| 11:38.15 | rwhitby | we're currently using stock redboot to load Apex as a second stage bootloader in the latest builds. |
| 11:38.37 | rwhitby | I haven't seen a u-boot build for the ixp4xx/nslu2. |
| 11:39.13 | ruschi | in hte openembedded/packages directory is uboot |
| 11:39.48 | rwhitby | yep, but I haven't seen that built for ixp4xx |
| 11:40.08 | ruschi | me neither - it just crossed my mind |
| 11:40.15 | rwhitby | (openembedded supports many different architectures and targets, with widely varying support for each) |
| 11:40.35 | rwhitby | jacques would be interested if you built it :-) |
| 11:41.21 | ruschi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.32 | ruschi | trying to understand how the system works for now |
| 11:44.04 | ruschi | yesterday i just pulled the mastermakefile and typed make - as far as I know it pulls the latest sources. I had to fix some syntax errors can I commit the changes ? |
| 11:45.09 | rwhitby | syntax errors? which distro? (they all get built every 15 minutes on our autobuilders) |
| 11:45.44 | ruschi | sorry I don'T remember exaclty as I said I just typed make this made unslung and slugos |
| 11:45.58 | rwhitby | can you pastebin the diff? |
| 11:46.03 | ruschi | one file was some version.h and another was ashell script |
| 11:46.23 | rwhitby | unslung and slugos should always build without error. |
| 11:46.37 | rwhitby | (on Debian Sarge and CentOS 4 at least) |
| 11:46.51 | ruschi | unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r10/build-armeb-linux/csu/version-info.h |
| 11:47.03 | ruschi | this is one file - missing " |
| 11:47.16 | ruschi | unslung/tmp/work/slingbox-1.3.1-r0/busybox-1.3.1/scripts/trylink |
| 11:47.23 | ruschi | this is the other |
| 11:47.43 | ruschi | /bin/sh doesn't know the word "function" to declare a function |
| 11:48.00 | rwhitby | what is your /bin/sh symlinked to? |
| 11:48.05 | ruschi | bash |
| 11:48.19 | ruschi | I am on ubunto 6.10 |
| 11:48.32 | ruschi | look at the files |
| 11:50.19 | ruschi | another thing - at the moment I am building "make ucslugc-image" again it is compiling "gcc-cross-initial-3.4.4-r4" it has been compiled yesterday |
| 11:50.46 | rwhitby | each distro build is independent - there is no sharing. |
| 11:50.46 | ruschi | is it a diffent build or are old binaries discadred over different targets? |
| 11:50.55 | ruschi | ok. I got it |
| 11:51.11 | rwhitby | the version-info.h on my box has balanced "'s |
| 11:51.37 | rwhitby | and my bash understands function I think. |
| 11:52.34 | rwhitby | I don't build on Ubuntu myself, so can't verify that it builds on that. The only stuff I'm aware about with recent ubuntu is the dash thing. |
| 11:52.36 | ruschi | ok - strange |
| 11:52.54 | rwhitby | NAiL: you build on ubuntu don't you? |
| 11:53.04 | ruschi | anyway I got rid of "function" and it was ok |
| 11:53.43 | rwhitby | weird - that's a standard busybox script isn't it? |
| 11:54.04 | rwhitby | (i.e. I don't think OE patches it at all) |
| 11:55.16 | rwhitby | ruschi: you might want to try "make unslung-6.8-beta openslug-3.10-beta" and see if those build without error - those are our binary releases |
| 11:55.46 | rwhitby | (make sure you update the top-level Makefile first - there was a bug in the svn command to check out the unslung release branch) |
| 11:56.25 | ruschi | ok I will do this later |
| 11:56.33 | ruschi | is there an IRC channel for ucslugc |
| 11:56.38 | rwhitby | if there is an error that is not nslu2-linux specific (i.e. in the OpenEmbedded metadata that nslu2-linux does not modify) then #oe would be the place to ask. |
| 11:56.49 | rwhitby | there are probably less than 5 ucslugc users. |
| 11:56.50 | ruschi | I got problems with building ucslugc |
| 11:57.04 | rwhitby | in fact, we don't even try autobuilding ucslugc any more. |
| 11:57.35 | rwhitby | (there is no dedicated ucslugc channel) |
| 11:57.57 | ruschi | ok - so I am alone fighting the world |
| 11:59.07 | rwhitby | for ucslugc, yes. for the others, no. |
| 11:59.21 | rwhitby | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-nudi-last.txt is our autobuilder log |
| 12:07.50 | iwo | i don't think i can complete my unslung build :( |
| 12:07.59 | iwo | ftp.cl.debian.org seems to be dead |
| 12:11.00 | rwhitby | iwo: all sources are archived at sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/... just wget the file in question from there. |
| 12:11.21 | iwo | ok, i'll try there. thanks |
| 12:46.38 | iwo | does unslung support any usb wireless network devices? |
| 12:47.25 | iwo | (802.11g i mean) |
| 12:48.09 | iwo | never mind, just found the wiki page :D |
| 12:50.17 | ruschi | What is this strange nslu2-binary-only package where linksys-packages are included ? this seems to bbe the majority of the stuff included in an unslung build.... |
| 12:50.43 | ruschi | how the hell did they get the samba-packages fit on the rom? |
| 12:52.39 | ruschi | another question - where are the individual versions set the image-targets use |
| 12:52.58 | ruschi | like unslung uses kernel 2.4.xx openslug uses 2.6 |
| 12:53.31 | ruschi | in the samba directory there are 6 different bitbake recipes for different samba versions - which one is used? |
| 12:53.44 | ruschi | and where do I set the versions |
| 12:55.29 | rwhitby | ruschi: unslung is designed to be linksys firmware with a small delta to enable rootfs on disk and package installs |
| 12:55.57 | ruschi | ok - got it |
| 12:56.09 | rwhitby | look in distro/include/slugos.inc for specific versions. otherwise, it's just the latest default preference in OE |
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| 13:57.29 | iwo | how many hrs building unslung usually take?? |
| 13:57.54 | iwo | on a desktop pc (ubuntu, 2.5Ghz, 1gb ram), not a slug |
| 13:59.02 | iwo | it's incredible how much must be done to build a relatively small piece of software. to build a full blown linux distribution must take weeks! |
| 13:59.12 | iwo | yay, complete :D |
| 14:18.45 | iwo | I'm trying to compile drivers for an ov51x webcam. I've got as far as building unslung... |
| 14:20.00 | iwo | now i've dropped the new drivers i need into /releases/unslung-6.8-beta/tmp/work/unslung-kernel-2.4.22.l2.3r63-r10/linux-2.4.22/drivers/usb |
| 14:20.13 | iwo | however i'm confused about editing defconfig |
| 14:21.07 | iwo | should I add a line like CONFIG_USB_OV51X=m?? |
| 14:21.27 | iwo | how does the build know what CONFIG_USB_OV51X is? do i need to define this somewhere? |
| 14:23.09 | iwo | the new files i need to compile are: ov51x.c, ov51x.h, ov519_decomp.c |
| 14:24.00 | iwo | is there a wiki on adding a new kernel module? |
| 14:24.04 | iwo | wiki page i mean |
| 14:33.31 | ruschi | I still don't get the dependencies: I wanted to add nfs-utils to the openslug image. I am sure it fits because I can install it later |
| 14:33.44 | ruschi | where do I add the package? |
| 14:34.14 | ruschi | I added it to slugos.inc in the variable SLUGOS_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 14:34.38 | ruschi | then I started make openslug-image.... but its not included |
| 14:36.07 | ruschi | and I have no make targets for e.g. slugos-bau |
| 14:39.47 | eiffel_ | iwo: kernel-module-ov511 - 2.4.22.l2.3r63-r17 - ov511 kernel module; ov511 USB Camera Driver there aleady is an package for unslung |
| 14:40.28 | iwo | the ov511 driver is not adequate (not compatible with my webcam) |
| 14:40.34 | iwo | i'm trying to add the ov51x driver |
| 14:40.47 | iwo | that includes compatibility for ov518, ov519, ov530 |
| 14:40.53 | eiffel_ | oh |
| 14:40.55 | eiffel_ | hm k |
| 14:41.35 | eiffel_ | i think mwe.ster knows what to do |
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| 15:03.30 | ruschi | can anyone explain to me how to add a package to the flash-image at build time? |
| 15:04.26 | ruschi | I created a local.conf and added "nfs-utils" to the DISTRO-EXTRA-RDEPENDS |
| 15:05.08 | ruschi | now it is complaining abount unable to find nfs-utils |
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| 15:46.39 | ruschi | help! I am frustrated by this crap. no changes are accepted or take effect |
| 15:46.47 | ruschi | I want NFS support built-in! |
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| 16:09.58 | ruschi | ok, for some reason nfs-utils is not in the openslug distribution. now the "Can't find makes sense" |
| 16:34.05 | jacques | that's surprising, I thought people had been doing nfs stuff in openslug for a long time |
| 16:36.05 | ruschi | well maybe I have no clue how to add it |
| 16:36.20 | ruschi | the problem was I am building the latest head |
| 16:36.42 | ruschi | and it seems there is no kernel module for 2.6.20 |
| 16:37.59 | ruschi | I the procedure correct "add the package name to DISTRO-EXTRA-RDEPENDS in local.conf"? |
| 16:41.46 | mwester | ruschi: NFS is built-in with the latest OpenSlug versions. |
| 16:42.56 | mwester | (The new open-source network driver makes it practical to put certain useful network-based tools back into the kernel instead of modules, such as netconsole and nfs. |
| 16:42.57 | mwester | ) |
| 16:47.28 | ruschi | it is buit in as client not as server |
| 16:48.51 | mwester | If you want the server stuff, you may have trouble fitting it all into the flash. |
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| 17:20.12 | iwo | hey mwester, would you might givin me a little advice on adding a kernel module to unslung? |
| 17:20.56 | iwo | rod has been a great help so far. I'm a little stuck now though (not that i've got very far yet, you understand! :D) |
| 17:21.37 | iwo | basically i'm trying to add the ov5x driver for an ov519 based webcam |
| 17:21.59 | iwo | similar to the current ov511 support that is already in unslung |
| 17:23.02 | iwo | i have successfully build unslung-6.8-beta using the master makefile. |
| 17:23.31 | iwo | and i have three files that i need to add (ov51x.c, ov51x.h, ov519_decomp.c) |
| 17:26.41 | iwo | but i'm unsure on how i configure a new package such that my three files will be compiled and produce output in: |
| 17:27.43 | iwo | .../releases/unslung-6.8-beta/tmp/work/unslung-kernel-2.4.22.l2.3r63-r10/install/kernel-module-ov5x |
| 17:27.46 | iwo | and |
| 17:27.58 | iwo | .../releases/unslung-6.8-beta/tmp/work/unslung-kernel-2.4.22.l2.3r63-r10/install/kernel-module-ov519_decomp/ |
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| 18:35.23 | ruschi | Anyone already realized that MAKEFLAGS are ignored? |
| 18:36.14 | ruschi | when I export MAKEFLAGS=-j4 it does not spawn of 4 compilers as it should |
| 18:36.26 | ruschi | I am sure it is unset somewhere..... but where? |
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| 19:26.25 | mwester | ruschi: it's openembedded; forget everything you know about makefiles - you must do it The OpenEmbedded Way (tm) |
| 19:26.59 | mwester | iwo: are the kernel modules to be added to the kernel, or will they build on their own? |
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| 22:14.53 | CIA-8 | 03oleo * r5242 10optware/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): transmission: r1417 - move creation of index.html to positins |
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| 22:45.10 | kop_ | http://forum.dsmg600.info/t163-DNS323-disassembly-pictures.html |
| 23:26.45 | CIA-8 | 03oleo * r5243 10optware/trunk/ (make/transmission.mk sources/transmission/transmission.cgi): transmission: wget -q instead --quiet |